2nd - she has lowest dmg scales
#h1-discussion
static wadi
tawdry flower
She relies on Crits
static wadi
of course she can crit but still
tawdry flower
Crits do x3 damage
woeful finch
To get the most value you want to have other effects that scale up your damage like chaos boons or certain hammers
zealous flare
Yeah, you need to stack an Artemis. I think Artemis on fists or shield sucks, but it's extremely good on Bow and Sword and such
blazing narwhal
2nd - she has lowest dmg scales
because crit
granite ether
Crit damage is also multiplicative (film what i remember)
alpine sun
Fist hammer where 900% shield damage dash attack is so damn good
woeful finch
If you already get a lot of extra damage from chaos boons and the like, then applying crit Chance will give more DPS than just adding more damage percent since the crit is multiplicative but more damage is only additive
zealous flare
Once you get artemis attack, mark and pressure points things get very fun
granite ether
It's one of the best fist hammers @alpine sun
static wadi
btw dem cast works ok with hera?
thick furnace
I'm looking for turnaround or concept art for the weapons, does anyone have any idea if they
're out there?
zealous flare
I've seen some Hera + Blade Cast that worked extremely well
static wadi
@zealous flare blade cast is ares?
i didnt like it
for me Hera is viable only with dio and aphro
all others seems bad
zealous flare
The blade cast does an extremely good amount of damage
static wadi
but with hera it seems bad
zealous flare
It tears through bosses as well
tawdry flower
Upgrades to blade cast pulls enemies in or make it last longer
blazing narwhal
blade cast sorta limits the build options tho
zealous flare
Hmmmm, it certainly helps if you get other boons with it
blazing narwhal
like, you need to have some specific boons for it to be helpful on elysium and temple
well chances are if you took blade cast you probably do have them anyways at that point but anyways
zealous flare
It loses a bit of value with the fast moving enemies but I still think it's at least pretty good there
buoyant merlin
The bows dash strike should look more different
zealous flare
But if i only have blade cast and no other boons for it, its probably because my DPS is somewhere else and im focusing on that
static wadi
@buoyant merlin it have base dmg
zealous flare
And different charge time
sick pumice
whats the easiest most overpowered build to go with, any weapon?
static wadi
@sick pumice Shield with good attack boon and some status for special foor example
tbh there are lot of options
esp in the start
almost anything can work
pliant walrus
how do I lose 2 lives on hydra, dam I'm bad
static wadi
for me fav build is Chaos aspect. Aphro attack. Dio special
Aphro/Dio duo
and poms
lot of poms
mb one aphro boon for longer weak
but not neccesary
brisk lagoon
aphro/dio on attack/special is great. ez privileged status
sick pumice
also is the 2status extra damage the better one, or family favorite
pliant walrus
||hades fight|| with no revives feels doomed
brisk lagoon
privileged status for sure
static wadi
@brisk lagoon but if ur damage is dio u dont care about status
cus it doesnt work with poison
brisk lagoon
you're still using basic attacks aren't you?
sweet basin
Alright. 25 streak
static wadi
but it still weak
sweet basin
Gonna call it a day lmao
static wadi
tear in the sea
brisk lagoon
static wadi
i'm not sure
but is it ok
when u have 1 basic boon
after that u have boon for upgrading this boon
like ares cast for example
and black metall
and u can sell cast
and ur metall remains
and become useless
brisk lagoon
i'd think it stays around in case you get an ares boon later.
never done it before tho
static wadi
i just did
pliant walrus
I don't understand how people use fists
alpine sun
Fists are the best imo
alpine sun
Strong af
deep marten
Just use talos
alpine sun
Demeter aspect is high dmg af
static wadi
u have to be jojo fan to use it properly
deep marten
No need to have range when you can pull them right to you
alpine sun
Especially with artemis boons
alpine sun
I think it depends on your playstyle too
static wadi
esp when u have DIO on ur attack
alpine sun
Personally i think bow and railgun are trash
pliant walrus
I like bow, don't like railgun
alpine sun
Playing campy is boring
deep marten
Bow is just OP, tbh
pliant walrus
atm bow and spear are my fav
deep marten
gun just needs a right build
sick pumice
does prviliged status ONLY trigger for debuffs you see on the enemies name? or do 'nameless'' debuffs count alos?
static wadi
@sick pumice every god have 1 staus
if u have 2 status on enemy
u can see star near their hp bar
pliant walrus
guan yu special and hera cast build are really fun to me
brisk trail
Maybe the blocking angle?
static wadi
i was 1/2 screen from him
calm vapor
Is it me or is aphrodite just a weak god? lol
iron loom
I like her call
iron loom
her cast is garbage though
calm vapor
her call....I recall using it in hydra fight and well suffice to say I was slaughtered because 1 second of an ally meant nothing lol
probably an awful usage for it....but I've pretty much never been a fan of powers in any game that let you take over people and have them fight for you lol
static wadi
aphro great in almost everything
iron loom
it does a ton of damage and charms
iron loom
I use chiron
static wadi
also there is boon for longer radius
calm vapor
maybe you're right....just going at a quick glance....just seems like it takes more build up to get her powers flowing versus other more obviously powerful gods
lunar cypress
I didn't find charm to be useful either; enemies often just..stand there ;~;
granite ether
It's a get out of jail free card
lunar cypress
More of a stun than a charm really
iron loom
or I could spin around in circles for 10 seconds as poseidon I suppose
calm vapor
love poseidons call....now that's a get out of jail free with good damage too
lunar cypress
Surf's up
calm vapor
true you can't get tons of hits on a single guy all that well....but if you can keep building your meter fast it's quite op
iron loom
chasing after bosses as they rush you sucks
sick mortar
tbf every single call is more or less a get out of jail free card
calm vapor
yea his just spams a stationary version of the dash lol
sick mortar
dionysus is probably the single best call
calm vapor
not sure what max level does with it haven't tried
sick mortar
given all the call options I pick dio every single time
iron loom
why?
calm vapor
hangover is pretty good...but I think doom is the best
sick mortar
it's huge aoe damage on-demand. use it as single calls, not greater call
static wadi
hangover is better with things like chiron rail and fists
sick mortar
its the most "spammable" call, does huge damage over a good duration, and the damage outstrips all other calls
calm vapor
guessing maxing out god bar just increases duration or does it have any unique effects with any of the calls?
sick mortar
5 single calls does far more damage than a greater call since there is a stack limit
its just so damn strong
iron loom
I usually go for aphrodite for the greater call single-target damage or poseidon
lunar cypress
His stack limit is annoying :c
sick mortar
plus since its aoe, one use of it returns like half the god gauge back
few more hits and its up again
lunar cypress
Can counteract itself due to it not prioritizing higher damage hangover
iron loom
it's great on triple bomb though
brisk trail
It's been months since I've checked, but at one point Hangover prioritized the highest damage stack.
sick mortar
my cookie-cutter dream build is aphro attack/demeter special/athena dash/dio call + athena or dio cast
brisk trail
That may have changed to be the most recent stack.
calm vapor
I can't believe I ignored the cast crystals produce lightning boon....the thing is extremely powerful
sharp fossil
lightning rod?
lunar cypress
Oh so it used to be better? Dio's hangover I mean
calm vapor
yea I think that's what it was called....just spam all my casts and kite around killing hades with it lol
iron loom
athena dash is the best
sharp fossil
lightning rod used to be pretty bad, but it got a significant buff in 1.0
been meaning to try it again
brisk trail
too bad it doesn't work with Stygian Soul
alpine sun
Finally cleared with something other than fists lol
ivory walrus
Aphro has consistent damage up and prevention abilities, but doesnt really have anything flashy
lunar cypress
Stygian soul seems way worse than default now that I've tried it
ivory walrus
She's good but not incredible imo
sick mortar
aphro has the highest base damage multiplier and a decent debuff to boot, what else do you want
sharp fossil
Aphro has consistent damage up and prevention abilities, but doesnt really have anything flashy
@ivory walrus ... charm?
sick mortar
weak is already so good as is
ivory walrus
high damage multipliers and weak
lunar cypress
Demeter's is great, art's is okay
sharp fossil
demeter’s call is actually great
ivory walrus
Demeter Call is quite good against bosses but weaker against more mobile targets
sharp fossil
you gotta think of it as a debuff not as damage
ivory walrus
Artemis is on the weaker end yeah
sharp fossil
for arty, you basically need to use greater call for it to be good
calm vapor
actually haven't found demeters call yet....wouldn't mind trying it out
sick mortar
demeter's call really only shines with arctic blast
ivory walrus
Artemis is probably the weakest god overall but some of her passive abilities are really really good
sharp fossil
artemis is not the weakest god lol
iron loom
I'd rather take weak
calm vapor
Seriously should roll ares artifact all the time....need more ares in my runs lol
ivory walrus
Pressure Points, the Marking one, Support Fire, and a lot of her duo boons are really good
sharp fossil
the anyheat speedruns heavily rely on artemis
ivory walrus
it's just a lot of her other things are kind of mediocre imo
shell ice
are you implying that artemis' attack/special/dash are mediocre?
since theyre pretty core both to a lot of speedruns and a lot of high heat clears
sick mortar
they need other crit mechanics to shine
lunar cypress
Anyone else hate the "don't get hit" challenges/keepsakes etc.?
shell ice
tail's 52 heat Hades Spear clear from Blood Price used arty attack + dash for instance
lunar cypress
I find that it invalidates half the game mechanics
ivory walrus
Artemis definitely does have the potential to be really fast, but she isnt reliable, and the strength she does have doesnt feel like it's strong enough to justify putting it over other things
sick mortar
crit scales really hard but you need to get enough sources of crit for the payoff
sharp fossil
where’s that video where someone crits champions to death in 5 seconds lol
ivory walrus
her higher end passives are really good though
shell ice
and similarly tail's 48 heat 1.0 clear uses arty dash on rama
shell ice
crit chance is additive but crit damage is multiplicative, which is quite relevant
ivory walrus
I feel like she's really good for schredding ||Hades|| but not so much outside of that
shell ice
since its the only source of multiplicative damage boost in the game
sick mortar
if only your companions can crit
sharp fossil
there’re some hammers than are multiplicative
ivory walrus
lmao
sick mortar
would make mort interesting
sharp fossil
but it’s the main one yeah
sick mortar
whoopsie 7k damage
shell ice
fair point
sharp fossil
there’d be almost no point in ||Mort|| critting lmao
sharp fossil
most of that damage wouldn’t do anything because bosses would already be phased
sharp fossil
nah he’d just hit an invincibility phase
sick mortar
you can skip phases
sharp fossil
yeah
shell ice
in any case, arty is far from bad; she's probably the 4th most popular god in high heat attempts?
sick mortar
lernie for example
ivory walrus
oh nice
sharp fossil
nah that was changed
shell ice
aphro/athena definitely are higher
sharp fossil
there’s no lernie skip any more
shell ice
idk whether zeus or arty has more high heat relevance
since chaos shield nerf, probably arty now
ivory walrus
Ares is probably the weakest one imo but he has some really good Duo boons
shell ice
ares' duos save him, yeah.
sharp fossil
absolutely
ivory walrus
Ares/Zeus is insane
shell ice
if you had to call a god the "worst", i'd say it's demeter
doesnt really have any high heat or speedrun relevance
lunar cypress
If only doom could be procc'd multiple times by default
shell ice
as far as i know
sick mortar
is there a way to aim the direction that battie hits in?
ivory walrus
I would say Demeter is the most inconsistent but not the worst
sick mortar
or is it RNG
sharp fossil
worst is prolly poseidon tbh
shell ice
demeter is fun to use though, so im not complaining
lunar cypress
Poseidon!?
sharp fossil
there’s really only dash and cast for him
shell ice
nah poseidon-zeus duo is very very strong
ivory walrus
If that ability to make your next ability do 100%+ after kill count towards the next hit instead of next attack
shell ice
and yeah poseidon cast builds are a thing although
sharp fossil
yeah other than duos ofc
sick mortar
because athena cast provides reflect and potential to combo with zeus
ivory walrus
Athena is like opposite Artemis
sharp fossil
poseidon cast isn’t great for bosses, but otherwise it’s solid
actually his call is decent as well
just harder to use than some
shell ice
the weirdest high heat completion that i know of is fox hope's hestia poseidon 42 heat clear from blood price
sharp fossil
athena’s passives aren’t bad
sick mortar
huh
shell ice
its like
ivory walrus
damage reduction is always good but
sharp fossil
wth lmao
sick mortar
divine protection is stonks
ivory walrus
Ares Call is good but
sick mortar
and free DD replenish
ivory walrus
that's definitely wild
sharp fossil
brilliant reposte is great, holy shield is great, her legendary is obviously great...
ivory walrus
I dont think ive gotten her legendary yet
ivory walrus
yeah the DD is very nice
sick mortar
rare or above proud bearing makes styx a joke
sharp fossil
that’s the prerequisite for her legendary
shell ice
athena is definitely high/top tier, if we wanted to make a tier list
sharp fossil
best dash overall, really
ivory walrus
Ares is the worst, but you want like 1 boon of his to get his duos later
shell ice
and the DDs are great, particularly with stubborn defiance
sharp fossil
there’re specific cases where you don’t want divine dash, but overall it’s the best
shell ice
i said top 2 because its arguable whether athena dash or poseidon dash (with poseidon-zeus duo boon) are better
ivory walrus
Poseiden is probably the 2nd weakest but imo he's not awful
shell ice
but athena is certainly safer/less setup
ivory walrus
with Demeter being 3rd worst
sick mortar
O_o
ivory walrus
and then Artemis 4th
ivory walrus
honestly every god has really good boons in their kit, it's just about overall
kind moss
ravenous will is nice
shell ice
yeah demeter has a couple "generic" boons that are quite nice to have
ravenous will is fantastic
ivory walrus
Ares has a great call and amazing duos
shell ice
and her call is pretty great
ivory walrus
but the rest of his selection is meh
kind moss
I think athena and artemis are like
ivory walrus
good but not great
kind moss
the most generically useful
sick mortar
% damage-wise
- Aphro
- Athena/Dem tied
- Artemis* (higher for weapons with base crit)
- Poseidon
shell ice
aphro/athena/arty are the clear top 3, we can argue about specific order
static wadi
just come to Charon and give him Ambrosia to feel great
stole his money right after that to balance his feeling i guess
sick mortar
why would anyone consider demeter bad is beyond me
ivory walrus
Athena and Aphro are the two most reliable imo
kind moss
Aphro is good because her raw damage yeah
shell ice
have you heard of keepsakes
ivory walrus
I just think Dem is very weapon dependant
She's very dependant on getting the right attack modifier on the right weapon
shell ice
but yeah, theres a reason that like
sick mortar
yeah but I wouldn't use aphro keepsake
shell ice
if a speedrun or high heat clear isnt abusing a specific "broken" interaction
like merciful end or last patch's chaos shield + zeus
sick mortar
having 10-15% higher multiplier doesn't make or break a run
shell ice
it's probably running aphro or arty
ivory walrus
But overall on all types of builds
shell ice
(unless its athena/poseidon cast)
ivory walrus
she's lower down
shell ice
that said, I do think all the gods have a place
and perhaps most importantly, theyre all fun to use
ivory walrus
oh definitely
shell ice
i'm pretty fine with the current state of balance
lunar cypress
Dem has a lot of stuff that is only good once you can luck out and get the requisite buff boons
shell ice
free chaos shield though
inner fossil
For people who have been playing thru the early access days... What has been some of the biggest changes in the game?
lunar cypress
IE chill on cast and chill DoT
shell ice
the heat system was radically different back in the day
well, it didnt exist at first
but the initial balance was way different than the current version
limber garden
I know its all chance but it's been so many runs since I got the darkness bonus for coronacht. Is there any way to trigger that?
shell ice
honestly supergiant kind of "nailed" the general gameplay "flow" from the start so like
while a lot of things got tweaked
ivory walrus
I think if you dont use it it's more likely to get the bonus
shell ice
asphodel's maps went through a pretty large-scale remake when they added fishing for example
ivory walrus
but idk otherwise, it's just luck
shell ice
the gameplay has "felt" very consistent
shell ice
there's of course been a TON of balance changes though
sick mortar
idk exagryph always kinda felt a bit off to me >.>
shell ice
would you believe that aphrodite used to deal even more damage?
ivory walrus
you were kind of de-incentivised to use it
shell ice
they reduced aphro's damage across the board
yet she still hits harder than everyone else
kinda funny
sick mortar
all medieval weapons then suddenly PUBG
ivory walrus
her cast is better now though
ivory walrus
I dont mind the homing shots but I wish it had less bullet spread
ivory walrus
although I know it's intentional
shell ice
and it was looking like the game would only be released with like
2-4 duos per god (except zeus who had duos with everyone)
then over the last couple patches they just added
literally every other duo
ivory walrus
yeah that's been a crazy experience
shell ice
it was pretty funny
sick mortar
some duos feels kinda like a filler tho
shell ice
(and a welcome surprise)
sick mortar
zeus/demeter for example
ivory walrus
Duos as a whole are definitely some of the coolest abilities in the game though
calm vapor
yep
inner fossil
Interesting. I guess it makes sense to have it be consistent across the gods
Why is that lined out? lol
ivory walrus
idk lmao
shell ice
remember old broken spearpoint?
ivory walrus
no actually, I never used it lmao
static wadi
it had no cd
sick mortar
well that just makes its name more apt
inner fossil
"Would you like to die?"
"I'd rather not"
shell ice
it was really silly
static wadi
@shell ice it cant help vs someone like secret boss
shell ice
well sure, but for the most part
static wadi
who has one but strong attack
shell ice
that fight is pretty unique in general
ivory walrus
man I remember when I just got a build
inner fossil
Is there some super secret timing to dash over the purple waves in Asphodel?
sick mortar
||charon|| swinging his big pp
inner fossil
Or should I just not get hit?
ivory walrus
with the poseidon/ares duo, rupture, cast+1 on recharge, pressure points, the mark, like some other stuff
and just walked up to ||hades||
shell ice
also, nyx's mirror has seen a lot of changes
ivory walrus
and just chunked it
shell ice
back in the day, green mirror bonuses didnt even exist
and a lot of the "lower-down" purple boons were balanced a bit differently
privileged status' exact number has changed like
3 times
ivory walrus
schredded him without even getting out of the way
vernal obsidian
What's the best strat to defeat Negara ? One run I had like 1 cm hp left on her but I got in her dash and I was out of death defiance tokens
ivory walrus
at one point I did like 1400k with a whole bunch of stacked effects on one swing with ||Excalibur||
dont get hit
uh honestly
shell ice
yeah honestly that feels like it falls into "learn her attack patterns, learn to evade"
ivory walrus
most of her stuff is telegraphed but fast during the attack
shell ice
remember that dashes make you invincible
ivory walrus
so if you stick around mid ranges and dont commit too much
shell ice
so well-timed dashes make meg a lot easier to handle
ivory walrus
you can kinda chip her out
sick mortar
honestly I feel priviledged status gets outshined by family favorite
ivory walrus
and then once you got a better handle on things you can be more reckless
sick mortar
conditional 40% damage boost vs static 25% damage boost
ivory walrus
probably, but Priviledged Status feels so much more fun to use
shell ice
well, it really depends on your build
crystal ember
game just crashed while on the last part of the fight against ||hades|| while he had 10% left
😢
shell ice
which sounds kinda "well, duh"
crystal ember
it was the first time i got to him with the sword
shell ice
but still
ivory walrus
rip
crystal ember
F
sick mortar
its too conditional, you need at least two out of 3 specific gods to spawn out of a pool of 8
crystal ember
had picked up so much stuff
sick mortar
and you need to apply the debuff
ivory walrus
I thought the game at least autosaved at the start of each biome oof
sick mortar
and keep it applied
shell ice
i dont know what you mean by that
crystal ember
i thought the same
shell ice
most builds can get privileged status triggering if they try hard enough
crystal ember
but i think it only saves if you quit
hollow basin
What if we had an empty satyr sack keepsake to make tight deadline 3 more viable?
shell ice
it might mean taking things like deflect-causes-exposed on Athena
ivory walrus
im pretty sure every single god has a debuff of some kind
hollow basin
Even arty has a debuff
ivory walrus
it's just a lot of them take 2 abilities
shell ice
@ivory walrus arty technically does but its really hard to make work
sick mortar
compared to a static 25% damage buff
ivory walrus
getting Arty's is rare, but it's super strong
hard pawn
25%+ if you use keepsakes or get a 5th god in an ||erebus gate||
marked is garbage lol
hot hot garbage
ivory walrus
Marked is great for bosses
sick mortar
once you hit 4, other gods don't spawn
ivory walrus
Marked + A Good Attack Modifier + Pressure Points is
hard pawn
This is true if you don’t force a spawn with a god keepsake
ivory walrus
GG not exactly
sick mortar
ah
inner fossil
Oh yeah.... ||What are Erebus Gates||? I just got the option from the Contractor
shell ice
keepsakes let you break the 4 god thing yeah
hard pawn
Marked is useless for the majority of boss fights
sick mortar
you mean getting 5 different gods before elysium
ivory walrus
but it's possible to get 5 in tartarus
sick mortar
then forcing one more in elly?
ivory walrus
supposedly
shell ice
@inner fossil ||challenge rooms. they appear kind of like chaos gates, but dont cost health to enter; rather, they require a minimum heat level (5 in tartarus, 10 in asphodel, 15 in elysium). you need to clear a couple waves of enemies without getting hit||
ivory walrus
I wrote down the pastebin but im not gonna search for it now
hard pawn
If marked wasn’t consumed on use it might not be as garbage
shell ice
||if you clear it without getting hit, you get a "miniboss"-type reward; if you get hit, you get a red onion, which restores a grand 1 hp.||
if marked wasnt consumed on use it'd be crazy in heroes
attack one until you get mark on the other, then attack the other until its mark runs out, then switch back
you've probably crit (since it was marked) and so the other one should now be marked as well
rinse repeat
shell ice
also slight correction, ||red onion restores 1% HP, so sometimes it'll restore 2 or 3!||
inner fossil
Hey! Now you're making a stew!
shell ice
||same rewards you can get in minibosses from styx||
||ie extra gold, 50 health, higher-rarity boons, hammers, superpoms||
inner fossil
Gotcha.
hard pawn
||biggest thing is they can occasionally have a boon from a god outside your pool||
ivory walrus
higher ranked normal room reward
inner fossil
Are they something for speedruns/heat? Or just more fun?
ivory walrus
||Level 2 Poms are also really good right at the start of a run||
Tartarus' will probably come up in normal runs
shell ice
speedruns dont really take them, but sometimes high heat runs do
ivory walrus
the others mostly for giving a bit of extra firepower in challenge runs
shell ice
because ||their rewards are better than regular rooms, and you can sometimes take them instead of gemstones or whatever||
ivory walrus
and yeah, despite the room reward, they're pretty slow
shell ice
of course, ||trying to take them on in high heat is quite the challenge||
hard pawn
no
hard pawn
God Mode and Hell Mode only affect the difficulty of the game
sick mortar
would be interesting if god mode decreased by 1% for each clear
shell ice
wait, god mode doesnt decrease at all? thats surprising to me
hard pawn
I wish you could lock the godmode percent
sick mortar
^ 80% damage reduction is ridiculous
ivory walrus
I wish you could customize it in a range
and then dying just gave you a higher maximum
sick mortar
I'm sitting on 32%, 6% were thanks to the hidden boss 
worn umbra
thanks for telling me anyway
sick mortar
gotta say though, my favorite thing in this game is the record scratch sound when you trigger the hidden boss
music stops
"you dun goofed son, prepare your anoos"
cyan aspen
does anyone know how to progress the relationship with ||persephone|| past the lock?
supple moss
The usual patience and more runs until it unlocks itself
mossy lily
brisk trail
Does ||Sea God's Spite|| has to be done in one run?
sick mortar
does anyone know how to progress the relationship with ||persephone|| past the lock?
@cyan aspen
||I believe it has to do with your relationships with the other olympian gods, so you just gotta keep doing runs and have more convos with different gods||
brisk trail
Can't stand ||Rama Aspect||, lose my win streaks.. >_>
cyan aspen
@sick mortar okay thx. i think i haven't progressed those at all so that's probably it
sick mortar
it's slow, since you only get what, 5 convos max a run 😛
hard pawn
does anyone know how to progress the relationship with ||persephone|| past the lock?
@cyan aspen ||hers is literally just talking to her a ton afaik, kinda like Artemis's, it'll unlock once she says a certain line||
pine magnet
Hey there Supergiant theme, i love your game so much from the epic game béta release that i just bought the steam version
it's probably my favorite game of all time
kisses from France 
supple moss
How long was it?
zealous flare
At least the pressure is gone!
zealous flare
Damn, that's pretty good!
I'm scared to keep playing because I don't want my streak to end 
What got you in the end?
supple moss
I've maxed out at 4
worthy egret
Hah! Streaks! I just throw myself out there at increasing heat and whatever happens happens
silver bone
I'm one of those people that slowly raises the heat so I can get the rewards at each individual level.
So I can unlock more stuff.
worthy egret
Currently have to make an attempt no. 3 on heat 17
silver bone
And power up stuff.
Because I'm a patient little bean.
...Sort of.
I can't toss ambrosia to who I want atm.
...Never gives me the opportunity. XD
worthy egret
I'm one of those people that slowly raises the heat so I can get the rewards at each individual level.
@silver bone Same!
Though id rather die than climb all the way to 36 i think im just gonna attempt that as it stands
Currently 17 heat on Rail, 12 on Sword I believe those are my highest
supple moss
I'm up to 19 heat on sword and fists, finally discovered eris rail so I've been playing that quite a bit as I can smash out runs while slowly raising heat
silver bone
The Eris Rail is so good. XD
supple moss
It plays like a close ranged weapon which I like
deep marten
Eris is the rail where delta chamber really shines
Just blow yourself up, then hold the trigger till everything around you is dead
Feels so good
silver bone
So much dakka. XD
supple moss
ranged weapons with a mouse & keyboard don't work very well but I love the flexibility with dashing
silver bone
Oh I have the game on Switch.
Well I do on Steam too but I'd use a controller for that too anyway. 😛
supple moss
I started with M&K and after 175 hours switching to a controller is too much. I tried controller briefly and hated it
silver bone
Fair enough. 🙂
worthy egret
I should come back to eris rail
Used to be my main but i got carried away with zag and hestia
And lucifer as well
supple moss
weapons that are maxed with titan blood are much more fun
worthy egret
Can i just say Zag standing in the explosions of the titan slaying god weapon and absorbing the flames is a power move
Almost as much of a power move as rising from the Styx and yelling I'M HOME!
hazy garnet
is aspect of guan yu good?
worthy egret
god i love Zagreus
supple moss
guan yu is tough to play but has excellent damage output but then again I don't like spear
hazy garnet
see i love spear but im only like 15 hours in
worthy egret
Guan Yu isnt easy to play
Its very risky
But if you can? Its good
I call it the anxiety machine
Your healthbar becomes a rollercoaster
edgy nimbus
brisk trail
Oh man the guan yu. I haven't played that in a long time.
Though not my favourite weapon.
hazy garnet
it definitely plays weird
i know i only just got it but i got the weapon upgrade that decreases the start up for the spin attack and it seems pretty good
brisk trail
You rely alot on the spinning upgrade.
solemn kayak
Any advice for achievements not unlocking?
hazy garnet
yeah i got one in the second encounter
solemn kayak
I got 30% + damaged on the thanatos butterfly but not achievement
cyan aspen
i didnt realize there was a cap on how many times i could earn bounties
looks like i need to change weapons lol
vernal obsidian
@ivory walrus that bullet spree I can dodge but this underground mortar is a pain in the a
ivory walrus
the bullet spree can also be destroyed with attacks
also with the mortar just stay on the move and then react with a dodge in the apropriate direction, there's usually around 2 openings
and there's no penalty for sticking around meg so you can hit her between bursts too
zealous flare
I havent used guan yu yet because it terrifies me
I feel like i will just instantly die in 1 hit on it
restive torrent
Question for the devs, do you guys have plans to release the separated light/heavy parts of the OST? I'm a huge fan of the songs and the soundtrack but sometimes I just like the rock/heavy parts of some tracks, so I was thinking of splitting some the tracks up and uploading onto Youtube for others who'd like them separated instead of medleyed. Just wanna ask if you guys are ok with this or if I should just keep it for my own private use. If there are plans to release a separate OST with remixes/separated tracks then I'll definitely just stop and wait for it to be released and purchase to support you guys and this amazing game
round wraith
hey, does anyone ever get a bug where hades waves and beams are invisible
granite ether
F10 if pc
#h1-tech-support if switch
I would also verify your game installation if on pc just incase @round wraith
round wraith
I am on switch
bitter valve
@restive torrent can't speak for the devs but they released a bunch of different versions of their ost for pyre, their previous game
blazing narwhal
oof
bitter valve
on spotify
blazing narwhal
I think somebody reported invisible asterius on switch as well before
granite ether
so #h1-tech-support is the place to report bugs for the switch version (be sure to specify you're playing the switch version) @round wraith
gleaming zealot
is there a quick way to die in Hades? say you are one nectar off an unlock but want to use it, but character missing from hub so cant give to them
so you want to quickly reset it
lunar cypress
You can use "give up" in the menu
blazing narwhal
||turn up heightened security and routine inspection to max|| @gleaming zealot
lunar cypress
It just kills you (pretty funnily)
blazing narwhal
sadly give up just resets back to the last save, so you won't be able to gift a nectar or so
worthy egret
The Hades laugh when you click Give Up is good though
lunar cypress
Oh. I thought it'd make a new run.
A friend of mine is apparently pretty good at this and kept making it to the 3rd boss and dying, and is really annoyed a lot of content is locked off for so long/until a lot of deaths
lunar cypress
Cuz he did long runs and and didn't see many NPCs or new mechanics etc...is there an alternate way to make stuff show up? Or quicker/more at a itme?
Oh I died frequently enough at the start that I found new stuff :P
But he dislikes the progression being bound to deaths mostly
granite ether
god mode exists, so if he needs to use it, it's best he uses it
lunar cypress
No like
He DOESNT die until late in the run but he doesn't want to keep playing just to the same wall over and over without new things
marsh lark
do we need death to progress? first time I heard that
blazing narwhal
nah, I think the fact that a run waging from 30 to 40 minutes is required every time you want a new dialogue is putting him off
granite ether
mmhm, that's fair
there's not much that can really be done about that
blazing narwhal
do we need death to progress? first time I heard that
In terms of the storyline, yeah, you'd either need to die or beat the run
hard pawn
He DOESNT die until late in the run but he doesn't want to keep playing just to the same wall over and over without new things
its a roguelite, thats the whole premise of the genre
god mode exists if you need help to pass a difficulty wall
lunar cypress
So then there's no better way is what I'm hearing
zealous flare
Yeah thats the premise of the game
Even if youre successful its the same thing lol
blazing narwhal
So then there's no better way is what I'm hearing
Nope, that's basically how the entire genre works
opaque bough
throwing yourself at a wall until it cracks is the main draw of a roguelike
the real progression is the skills we learned along the way
marsh lark
I dont think dying fast unlock new things except for new dialogues?
zealous flare
If you don't like the part where you play the game youre not going to like the game
Its like 10% dialogue 90% action
opaque bough
if you're quickly getting far then I think you'd miss some dialogue or delay it until far later
game's designed around dying a lot
ignore what people tell you about "average runs to your first win" or some shiz, it's your game
lunar cypress
Its not just dialog; he wasn't finding new mechanics or new NPCs etc.
zealous flare
Yeah, you get the same thing if not better by winning your runs though so like 
You should just try to beat it
lunar cypress
He didn't know there was another ||talent tree|| for example
So he was getting bored
marsh lark
because you need to beat the game to get new mechanics?
hard pawn
i mean if he's making it to the third boss he's unlocked everything you can unlock before actually winning a run
zealous flare
Tbf i didnt know there was another ||talent tree|| until after i finished the entire first one lol
lunar cypress
Yeah not according to him
blazing narwhal
||talent tree||?
marsh lark
I think that's more of a UI problem
lunar cypress
So it HAS to be based on amount of deaths
zealous flare
The ||reverse of the mirror|| @blazing narwhal
blazing narwhal
ah
granite ether
you can unlock ||4th aspects|| before completing a run
blazing narwhal
yeah that bamboozled me too
granite ether
it however requires reaching ||redacted||
hard pawn
true but you'd be hard pressed to get enough blood for anything besides ||Guan Yu|| before winnign a run
zealous flare
I think i got my first 4th aspect after i won my first rum
blazing narwhal
I wiki'd it one day and found out you have the ||other side of the mirror||
hard pawn
do you not question the random button next to the talents?
zealous flare
Yeah i just saw the button there once and went "oh what"
hard pawn
thats how i found it lol
zealous flare
I never noticed it
blazing narwhal
true but you'd be hard pressed to get enough blood for anything besides ||Guan Yu|| before winnign a run
Can vouch, I did something like 60 farming runs
zealous flare
I was looking at the right side, dumping darkness into the rarity perks and then leaving
blazing narwhal
definitely not worth it in terms of fun factor
shadow fable
isnt Nyx introduce you to it
granite ether
it is yeah
shadow fable
or you just skip dialogues 
zealous flare
I think she might mention it in dialogue or something and i just wasnt paying attention and thougu "yeah i know about the mirror what am i an idiot"
dusk mantle
Ive never tried Eris Rail but I can unlock it just now
hard pawn
i've never had Nyx mention it no
marsh lark
just tell your friends amount of death only unlock new dialogues and more chance to give gifts to npcs
lunar cypress
Nyx mentions it yeah
marsh lark
gifts which you still need to farm
hard pawn
though tbf i never got the dialogue from Achilles for ||Guan Yu|| either, it was just auto-unlocked
early access save wacks some things up
shadow fable
farming, best part 
opaque bough
it is when you heal from it and it's basically a free run
lunar cypress
Do you unlock multiple things per run or if you go far enough would you only get 1 thing?
He still hasn't gotten the logbook
blazing narwhal
I wanted to make a ||high heat|| specific hell mode save, oof it's painful to farm
shadow fable
most of unlock is story progression
blazing narwhal
He still hasn't gotten the logbook
Assuming you mean codex
distant lotus
Yeah a lot of the game is talking to people
hard pawn
you don't unlock anything more from getting futher with the exception of actually winning the first time
lunar cypress
Right, so what matters for what? I'm being given mixed messages @~@;
hard pawn
further than the 3rd area at least*
distant lotus
If you don't talk to the NPCs between runs then you'll miss a lot /allof the story
blazing narwhal
Do you unlock multiple things per run or if you go far enough would you only get 1 thing?
Depends; but I think you could get multiple waking phrases in a single run under certain circumstances
lunar cypress
Some saying its only dialog, others saying no, you can't progress story
hard pawn
talking to everyone and winning is what matters
dying matters technically cause you can only talk to people once per life
lunar cypress
I'm talking about unlocks, mechanics, please, not dialog right now
distant lotus
I would put talking to everyone above winning though to be honest
marsh lark
because dying doesnt unlock new mechanics
blazing narwhal
talking to everyone and winning is what matters
Also maxing Artemis
marsh lark
you need to actually progress to get new mechanics
hard pawn
I'm talking about unlocks, mechanics, please, not dialog right now
there are no more mechanics to unlock other than winning once
blazing narwhal
I'm talking about unlocks, mechanics, please, not dialog right now
Bruh, I said waking phrases
lunar cypress
He is at the third boss and still doesn't have the codex
hard pawn
he hasn't talked to Achilles enough
carmine ravine
yes give artemis ambrosia and get friendzoned
blazing narwhal
in terms of mechanics, what you see is what you get
blazing narwhal
not much more than get boons and fight through
lunar cypress
I was literally asking about the codex though
hard pawn
you're supposed to get the Codex super early, his fault if he doesn't
distant lotus
yes give artemis ambrosia and get friendzoned
wait a minute...
hard pawn
assuming he's playing the current patch; it wasn't working properly before
marsh lark
codex is super early tho? like less than 10 dialogue with archy?
blazing narwhal
Talk to achilles, codex should unlock in the first few runs
shadow fable
if you talk tho 
distant lotus
Yeah codex is a very easy unlock
blazing narwhal
Achilles used to not hand the codex over
hard pawn
sometimes it just wouldn't show up as well
lunar cypress
Ohhhhh. Welp that answers that
carmine ravine
clearly archilles is hiding the codex, now bribe him woth some ambrosia
lunar cypress
I thought it took a while to get, but I guess I was actually a lucky one
hard pawn
other than that; there's very few things locked behind anything other than beating one run; with the exception of ||some bonus things for getting certain characters to max hearts; and the ability to use those things on the final boss||
blazing narwhal
also, a simple tip, a spiky exclamation mark text bubble means something important is going to happen so go talk to them
lunar cypress
Well if that's the case then yeah, that was the problem right there
marsh lark
as long as you dont skip talking to him, it should unlock anyway
carmine ravine
also, a simple tip, a spiky exclamation mark text bubble means something important is going to happen so go talk to them
@blazing narwhal yes and if theres no spiky exclamation mark text bubble means theres noting important is happening
distant lotus
Yeah you just got to talk to people
marsh lark
he has limited things to say to you until he run out of lines
even when nothing important is happen, you should just go spam the dialouge
shadow fable
best tip: Talk to everyone, dont be ass 🙂
marsh lark
dont even need to read it
blazing narwhal
yes and if theres no spiky exclamation mark text bubble means theres noting important is happening
Which may or may not contain vital information regarding the story
marsh lark
but imo this game really is all about those dialogues, so you should read them
blazing narwhal
^
carmine ravine
hades said ||son||
shadow fable
insane 👏
bleak vessel
feelsgood
severe wing
guys is it possible to reduce the quality?
severe wing
yuo
bleak vessel
in display
severe wing
yup
bleak vessel
its separate from options
carmine ravine
no reducing hades quality, its already top notch
bleak vessel
:monak
carmine ravine
use lowest resolution
severe wing
ok
i see only full screen,without bordless and vsync
and the display
nothing else like graphic
is there a option?
blazing narwhal
in terms of graphics option
nope
you can only tinker with the resolution
yes, I know, it's sad, especially because I play on a potato laptop too
brisk trail
guys ... how often / frequent do we get titan blood ingame? i guess is wasted some on wrong weapon perks -_- because i am dumb
worthy egret
guys ... how often / frequent do we get titan blood ingame? i guess is wasted some on wrong weapon perks -_- because i am dumb
@brisk trail after you beat the game, pretty well
severe wing
uhm
worthy egret
Until then, broker deals
blazing narwhal
maybe in game files?
yeah, I'd like to try that, but that essentially is visuals modding
bleak vessel
severe wing
lol a mod needed
blazing narwhal
And I don't know jack when it comes to assets and vfx
severe wing
lol i see 10/10 for this game
bleak vessel
But it's true
severe wing
and I thought about ok, low pc can cpal
bleak vessel
Maybe u got stuff on it that's bothering it
severe wing
its mid-low
bleak vessel
severe wing
It is a 10/10
@bleak vessel i see two issue about this game
bleak vessel
Tell
brisk trail
Is it normal for ||Achilles-Patroclus prophecy to take so long to appear||? I've maxed their hearts with nectars long ago before I maxed other NPCs, but now I've ||completed Sisyphus and Orpheus-Eurydice prophecies||, ||Achilles one's still showing no signs of progress, every time just talked about other stuffs with occasional conversation about their lives before death||
severe wing
yup when i play, it appeaars flash screen
bleak vessel
severe wing
its like fast random pics
blazing narwhal
yup when i play, it appeaars flash screen
Oof that is far worse than what I expected
bleak vessel
Actually first time I played I got crashes and couldn't proceded
Maybe it was the version I used
But now works fine
blazing narwhal
I do experience small freezes whenever I attack from time to time, but that sounds far more serious
Do you have some sort of dedicated graphics unit?
severe wing
this game had serius technical problems
severe wing
direct x?
bleak vessel
That among other things yes
void vigil
have you tried writing in #h1-tech-support ?
severe wing
no because every game say (install direct x9
have you tried writing in #h1-tech-support ?
@void vigil nope because without a graphic setting there is not much to do
bleak vessel
you need a lot more than just direct x9
gleaming crane
@brisk trail Dialogue from the ||Achilles Patroclus|| plotline mentioned you ||freed Sisyphus and Orpheus|| which explains why you have to do those plotlines first.
severe wing
you need a lot more than just direct x9
@bleak vessel I listen you
bleak vessel
I mean most games today
require more things
than just that
net framework, directx 10/11, various microsoft redists (2010, 2012...)
brisk trail
@gleaming crane I see, which means it's part of its progression, then. Thanks.
severe wing
net framework, directx 10/11, various microsoft redists (2010, 2012...)
@bleak vessel so?
bleak vessel
oh and maybe microsoft XNA
so maybe the game will crash or not even start or work poorly
if u dont have it all installed
🤔
severe wing
I have direct x e net framework
blazing narwhal
I think it might be hardware issue
blazing narwhal
check out #h1-tech-support maybe?
severe wing
win10
brisk trail
thank you guys for the reply! i did beat the game last night for the first time. 😄
bleak vessel
@brisk trail congrats
i am only on first fury
@blazing narwhal since ur active now
i have question if u maybe know
brisk trail
Oh ok! 😄 Enjoy your journey mate!
bleak vessel
thats a programming language ye?
or a framework
u use visual studio to use
🤔
so c++
one of the most popular games of all time on steam uses XNA its called one finger death punch
bleak vessel
its
stickman kung fu
u press 2 buttons, left and right mouse click to punch and smash
cloud adder
I'm really really tempted to do a escape Hades mini campaign in D&D
vapid narwhal
did we ask the actual question here? What's your PC specs?
it runs on a toaster I cant imagine anyone with remotely decent PC having issues with the game
blazing narwhal
◀ A person with sub-decent potato
vapid narwhal
I ran the game on a i5-8265U integrated graphics at 60fps although it's 720p windowed
(not my actual gaming PC but still)
blazing narwhal
trying to do fullscreeen here
insane stutter, same cpu and graphics with 16g ram
vapid narwhal
specs?
blazing narwhal
though, something tells me it's not just the hardware
blazing narwhal
because it usually pulls 60fps easy, there are occasional freezes and frame drops in certain situations
vapid narwhal
also check disk usage when playing, something tells me it might be storage issue
I've been in that place, random stutters in games turns out the HDD is on its way out
blazing narwhal
nah, I tried killing every other process as well
moving the game to ssd did improve the issue, but still happens
vapid narwhal
try disconnection other drives, leaving only the SSD you are playing on
isolate the issue
blazing narwhal
It's a laptop and I have a few things running on hdd so it's a bit cumbersome
but no, that doesn't work either, tried it before
I'm beginning to think I need safe mode or something
although, I used to do some machine learning and stuff so it could have worn out the graphics a bit
blazing narwhal
eh
My older brother also worked his thinkpad out so sounds possible to me
although I wasn't as nearly that invested
I probably have some weird background stuff running
vapid narwhal
laptop wearing out is usually down to the motherboard and soldering parts, sometimes the battery too
I'd still check for GPU and CPU usage with RTSS
see if there is any weird spike
then try isolate the drives
blazing narwhal
Yeah, I'll try
because it also doesn't make sense to me, there's no reason hades should lag this bad on this spec
bleak vessel
does bastion have more graphical options?
brisk trail
Such a perfect game for after work destressing. One of very few games I preordered (or rather, bought on first day alpha release), and only one I never regretted.
carmine ravine
same here, found it on a sale
blazing narwhal
https://i.imgur.com/1GV07ZP.png
Yeah, this happens in certain rooms @vapid narwhal
*HDD offline
tame sigil
blazing narwhal
Because he no want contraband
||you will eventually be able to,|| but he doesn't really take a lot of presents anyways
queen wharf
Can I get some tips for getting Flame Wheel Release? It's the last one I need for the Prophecy.
queen wharf
Can I get it in the fountain room before Elysium?
upper crown
its not that rare
tawdry flower
I usually see it every run or every other run
queen wharf
What
tawdry flower
Just check all the mid level shops
queen wharf
Oh I do