Also sorry tailesque
#h1-discussion
fading gazelle
vast junco
yeah
fading gazelle
Noice 
vast junco
http://puu.sh/GvSqL/653f6ae7a5.jpg here's a quick screencap from the wiki of them
raven silo
Poseidon also has 2 legends but one is fish
solar abyss
The third boss is harder than Hades, lol
vast junco
yeah, i think they share the same icon
raven silo
I usually rush down the minotaur first
fading gazelle
Elysium is a vibe check @solar abyss
raven silo
Phase 1 theseus isnt too too hard to dodge I think
solar abyss
I was expecting to get reamed by Hades and was like... the minotaur is harder than this lol
warm dove
theseus is easy to dodge
north pier
hades is hard do not @ me
solar abyss
I mean, I DID get reamed, regardless
raven silo
But fighting the minotaur and phase 2 theseus doesnt sound too fun
solar abyss
but the point stands
raven silo
Especially if you get a bad god for theseus
north pier
phase 2 theseus is nbd, just spam dodge and you can get away with it ez
solar abyss
Theseus by himself is equivalent to level 1 boss lol
north pier
just a bit of an attrition thing for theseus and minotaur
solar abyss
He gets carried by minotaur
fading gazelle
The moment Theseus starts calling upon his god he is basically sitting duck
And you're the goose 
north pier
lol
warm dove
man when i first played this game i was like how the f can you beat that bull, does he even a miniboss?
north pier
yeah if you upgraded your cast at all he's a cakewalk
warm dove
back when he got dusa back up
solar abyss
Dionysus cast OP
raven silo
Wait the mini boss one spawned dusas wow
warm dove
omg the damage is happaning
hollow bane
Do I need to have all the other aspects unlocked before I can get the 4th aspect, or is simply investing 5 blood into one enough?
warm dove
@raven silo yeb tks to SSG when they removed it
vast junco
oh man i remember miniboss asterius gorgons
raven silo
Pins in the story spoilers channel undeadcore
warm dove
@hollow bane for the sword is 5 blood spend first
fading gazelle
warm dove
for the other is unlocking the sword
raven silo
Its unlock 5 aspects then you can unlock the spear, after that even if you don't actually unlock the spear you can get the other ones by 5 blood in their weapon
lament hawk
For some reason, the highlighted weapons before each run have gone back and forth between fists and bow like 9 times in a row. Is this a known issue?
raven silo
I dont have the 4th aspect spear actually unlocked yet but I have the 4th sword
fading gazelle
@lament hawk Dark thirst is purely random
cobalt maple
well it's supposed to be but randomness bugs happen
https://www.random.org/analysis/dilbert.jpg
lament hawk
Yeah it feels like the randomness has broken
cobalt maple
id say it's bad luck tho
humans are notoriously bad at figuring out if something's random or not
fading gazelle
I wonder why 
winter river
So, in theory, we have room for 5 more keepsakes. Does anyone else kinda hope the Tisyphony dialogue goes somewhere and she gives us a keepsake for "friend Zagreus, murderer"
soft nimbus
Daedalus one would be neat
wind wedge
I mean, we can't gift Daedalus nectar even, can we?
soft nimbus
I haven't found him, if you even can.
But the hammers are my favorite so I gotta have some hope 
sinful spruce
What are some good alternative mirror abilities?
I know Stygian Soul is quite good, anything else I should level?
fading gazelle
Dark regeneration is objectively better than cthonic vitality
sinful spruce
It IS?
fading gazelle
Absolutely
north pier
eh
north pier
yeah but like, that means you're picking darkness instead of a passive free 2/3 hp per room
fading gazelle
Infernal troves become full heals
north pier
and picking whatever you want
fading gazelle
You don't have to pick darkness
north pier
SOME infernal troves
fading gazelle
Then you have tinge of erberus from the well
north pier
yeah sure but without the passive health gain from cthonic vitality you're more likely to pick darkness rooms over, like, a boon
fading gazelle
If you are running no bounties, the darkness drops from bosses
fading gazelle
You don't get offered darkness and a boon iirc
Blue laurels compete with blue laurels
north pier
yeah true true
fading gazelle
So its ethier gems, keys or darkness
viral rover
Or Nectar
fading gazelle
If you are not grinding you'd take keys or darkness anyways
Ahh yes nectar as well
north pier
isn't money among the golds as well though?
fading gazelle
Money is a gold laurel
north pier
idk
in any case
i feel like health regen passively is always gonna trump some giga-heal
every 6 chambers
at least in my playstyle
but on higher heats i think the dark regen is probably inexcusably better
viral rover
Cthonic Vitality can really pull weight in the last zone, but Dark Regeneration can rack up the mileage just as well through the entire run
north pier
even so, the last zone you're tanking a lot of dot damage, so even then cthonic vitality is balanced against that
depending on your boons
hmm maybe it's not that great
i think on hell mode it's probably significantly worse since it can only ever offer a +2
slate snow
do saves transfer between epic launcher and steam?
north pier
they should
solar abyss
Only 1.4% have purged a legendary boon lol
north pier
hades saves are under documents > saved games > hades
slate snow
yeah i'm assuming they exist as a separate file from the game itself just wanted to make sure
north pier
and aren't in the steam install location
if that's true for epic store, then steam should pick them up
north pier
nice!
indigo oar
hello guys
so how do i get titan blood because fury sisters doesnt drop anymore
same with diamonds
indigo oar
can you guys give tips for the final boss?
clever orbit
I think I purged a legendary boon before the achievements got added. I know for sure I did it with a Duo boon I didn't really want
Hide behind the pillars before he starts his laser attacks, and clear out the vases from a distance beforehand
north pier
real quick, can we rate the difficulty of the trial of the gods
void vigil
@indigo oar ||second phase is a spoiler, please spoiler tag your message!||
north pier
aphrodite's heart does a lot of damage, ok
sharp fossil
off the top of my head, from most annoying (for me at least) to least:
aphrodite, artemis, demeter, dionysus, zeus, ares, poseidon, athena
lotta people seem to hate athena but i alway find her kinda chill
slate snow
i hadn't had to face aphrodite but athena's definitely the easiest
sharp fossil
ikr
slate snow
dionysus is VERY annoying but manageable
sharp fossil
she does make the fight longer sometimes, which i guess is annoying for speed runners, but otherwise i’d take hers any day
slate snow
fr
hoary canopy
I find aphros also harder to see until its too late
sharp fossil
yeah i think everything’s going great and then it gets me out of nowhere
every time
sinful spruce
Fated Authority VS Fated Persuasion?
fathom sparrow
FA
hoary canopy
FA
hoary canopy
Wait which one is the green
sharp fossil
persuasion
hoary canopy
Oh ye thats the one i use too got them mixed up
I got it right earlier in builds and combat basically
"My only gripe with FA is that darkness, gems, keys, obols are a separate pool
Boons, hammers, and poms are another pool
So you cant change gems to a boon or at least it never happened for me"
solar abyss
I don't get it. I equipped blood-filled vial and the next boon I found was not ares
hoary canopy
Yeah Hermes like to do that hes fast
You will get an opportunity to take an ares room
cobalt maple
Hermes plays by different rules than other olympians
only gives you up to 2 boons per run, if you try to force a God with a keepsake he can appear first with a witty one liner about how he's faster, his keepsake doesn't force him to appear, he doesn't have any "base" boons (ones that modify your attacks, dash, call)
solemn imp
do yall know if there will be new updates somewhere in the future? ( I know it won't be soon because the crew is going to have a break)
hoary canopy
They said bugs or other fixes they are interested in pretty vague about that and then a break so not likely to be anymore major content
opaque bough
apart from bug fixing and keeping it playable, not that we know of
from the AMA we know that they're open to any sort of DLC/sequel ideas but not gonna force anything just for the sake of monetization
solemn imp
aight
solar abyss
Damn, sword is the worst weapon by far
granite ether
nemisis sword is also apparently fastest for speedruns right now
solar abyss
it's the worst for staying alive I know that much
cyan python
sword is the most versatile weapon
solar abyss
shield is most versatile
opaque bough
it's the worst for staying alive I know that much
but cursed slash exists
sharp fossil
it's the worst for staying alive I know that much
try more athena
opaque bough
also any good upgrade on your special means Temple of Styx is basically free
opaque bough
the big chopper upgrade for sword is bad right?
cyan python
dont think its bad
cyan python
just different
solar abyss
It's really bad
sharp fossil
i don’t like it
opaque bough
I had it with a bunch of artemis boons and was backstabbing crits for like 1000 damage
then I died in elysium because zero defensive boons 
cyan python
the thing is once you unlock aspect of ||arthur|| big chop numbers seem weak
sharp fossil
i have done many nemesis runs that burn out mid elysium
something about it makes me hyper aggressive lol
cyan python
crit in general tends to burn out
solar abyss
I only ever die to third boss
sharp fossil
crit can be good all the way through if it’s backed up right
by which i mean take athena dash as well and you’ll be fine
also then you qualify for deadly reversal
so win/win
also then you qualify for deadly reversal
wait nope that’s wrong now they changed it
still tho
opaque bough
I wonder if we're getting any balance patches
game's pretty balanced but then there's athena dash
sharp fossil
I only ever die to third boss
someone did them in less than 5 seconds with nemesis once
cyan python
prob not
sharp fossil
blew my mind
lol
athena dash has been in pretty much the same place since the beginning tbh
if they were gonna nerf it they prolly would have
cyan python
its perfectly balanced
sharp fossil
technically it was nerfed in 1.0: bosses take less deflect damage
cyan python
all it does is deflect
solar abyss
What I like about the sword is that it lets you appreciate the other weapons more
cyan python
and do some tiny dmg
winter river
Anyone know what the new themes from the contractor do? I got the Stygean theme with some of my excess titan's blood and it looks exactly the same
opaque bough
I mean is relying on dash for damage even good
maybe with some real specific ares stuff
solar abyss
The best deflect is the bow special deflect
sharp fossil
@winter river it’s purely aesthetic
winter river
I mean is relying on dash for damage even good
@opaque bough Haelion did a whole run with just tidal dash and sweet nectar
cyan python
tidal dash is good dmg
sharp fossil
if it changes anything else i haven’t noticed
opaque bough
I mean of course it's possible to do it but does it scale well enough for a normal run
you "can" win with anything
cyan python
zeus dash is free but they nerfed it
fleet zephyr
today I found out I neve completed 0 heat fists
im at 11 heat with it
winter river
huh, thats a bit disapointing. I was sorta hoping it'd change all the rivers or something
but oh well, its something to spend titan blood on
I wanted to pump Phlegathon's lava through the palace though 😦
sharp fossil
yeah i yolo’d the 5k gem the other day
gotta do something with all these extra gems we earn these days
winter river
I actually have quite a few gems left to earn
main currencies I need to burn are blood and darkness....
the favorites of the realm
sharp fossil
yeah i have some stuff left as well, but it’s gonna get bought pretty fast at the rate i’m earning
coral verge
@winter river it's just vanity https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2236312424
winter river
"Blood and Darkness, it's a curse boy!"
At last I understand what you meant father.....
sharp fossil
oh man i never thought of that
i wonder if they balanced the prices like that on purpose
winter river
lol probably
sharp fossil
“...two things this realm possesses in high abundance”
on purpose for sure lmao
@opaque bough Haelion did a whole run with just tidal dash and sweet nectar
lol these days when Haelion does something it’s usually safe to assume it’s not a good idea
a fun idea? probably
winter river
fair point
sharp fossil
but not a “good” one lol
winter river
but tidal dash is still great
sharp fossil
agreed
winter river
poor poseidon, it's his best non-duo and still only 3rd best in category
sharp fossil
was watching my cousin mash through the game with a tidal dash build on ||gilgamesh|| the other day
winter river
maybe second after Hunter's dash nerfs, idk
winter river
Ya, I was doing tidal dash on ||gilgamesh|| the other day too, it's solid
His cast is fine, but also not best in category
sharp fossil
i’m prolly gonna try it, looks lit
winter river
unless you get curse of drowning
sharp fossil
true
sinful spruce
Does Stygian Soul work well with Aspect of Hera?
sharp fossil
i was trying it the other day
it didn’t work out
but i’m very bad with hera so i easily could be wrong
winter river
I prefer infernal, but also not really a Hera guy
I suck at ranged weapons so I use Chiron, the scrub-crutch bow
sharp fossil
i suck at ranged weapons, so i use ||rama|| which is a melee weapon
sharp fossil
like i said, melee weapon
take triple and explosive shot and nuke everything you are literally standing on top of
it took me a while to get used to, but now i’m neglecting other bow aspects lol
winter river
what keepsakes/boons do you recommend shooting for? I've been wanting to learn it
sharp fossil
arty attack is generally what i go for, tho you can use aphrodite
for special you generally have three options: dio, zeus or aphro
aphro on special won’t do much damage, but it’s pretty great for putting weakness on things so if you have arty attack you can slap heart rend on there and go to town
with zeus/dio it’s entirely possible to do a special focused build
hunter dash and dash attack chaos boons are still fantastic, as with any bow
i generally avoid power shots, as they take way too long, but it just got a pretty spicy attack charge buff so you can get the occasional one off now
yeah if you haven’t tried running it post 1.0 i’d definitely recommend taking another look; that buff is solid
lyric ocean
its kinda grindy, no?
lyric ocean
idk about all that
the dialogue saves it, without it this would no doubt be the most grindy game in existence
solar dirge
I'd say that grind is part of the experience of a roguelike. Its intentional
The goal is to make the grind worth it. In my experience hades succeeds, although i wouldnt want to restart a save
dusk mantle
Boyyy
cobalt maple
I feel a lot of people who are fans of previous games might not like Hades as much because the gameplay loop is much different
opaque bough
it's a roguelike that rewards you for sucking at the start and slowly building up skill and buffs, which I guess is a grind
warm dove
https://imgur.com/a/BTu2Xop
finally finallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
fading gazelle
I don't think that'd older fans don't like Hades as much
opaque bough
+10 attack speed poggies
cobalt maple
like the combat itself is very much like Bastion and Transistor but the progression doesn't feel like it's there unless you're fan of rougelikes
solar dirge
To put it more accurately, the point of a roguelike is replayability. Wouldnt grind assist that? Does the slow progress contradict replayability or does it assist that? In my opinion, its an arbitary disposition either way.
solar dirge
Good job kay
dusk mantle
Does gifting a god increase rarity of boons?
solar dirge
@dusk mantle no they just increase relationship last i checked
dusk mantle
Or is it just to unlock story
Okay thanks
I gifted a lot to charon thinking he'll lower prices lol
brisk trail
I've been playing all of their games. I even 100% all of their achievement besides Pyre and hades... For obvious reasons.
sharp fossil
I'd say that grind is part of the experience of a roguelike. Its intentional
yeah fair i guess i mean i disagree it has “bad” grind
sinful spruce
Does Ravenous Will work with cast loading weapons?
sharp fossil
which, like i said, is pretty subjective
sinful spruce
Meaning that if the casts are loaded they don't count as you "having casts".
sharp fossil
oh yeah i was wondering that the other day
i meant to check on that run but forget i guess
slate briar
i ahve some questions is it possible to not get the codex after 3 runs or can it take many runs?
sharp fossil
have you talked to achilles?
slate briar
and i have given ambrosia to the trader and now i cant give anymore to others is that intended?
yes
multiple times
sharp fossil
honestly i can remember how many runs it took me
to give ambrosia to a character you need to give them a bunch of nectar first
slate briar
i did now im stuck at multiple ones that have a keyholeheart
sharp fossil
yeah that means a story event has to happen before you can continue
just keep playing and they’ll unlock
quick marlin
How do I unlock Aphrodite's favor cause i've romanced/full hearts one of the characters already, which is what gamepedia said i need to do
slate briar
well one of them is the red guy directly after the bloodbath and i cant progress him anymore at all max hearts expect the keyholeheart
solar dirge
I think you need to go on another run to give some one else ambrosia @slate briar
old viper
Hey guys I'm using aspect of hera on the bow and just got a Daedalus hammer. How does the cast shots synergise with the bow upgrades like triple shot, explosive shot and chain shot?
slate briar
also do the hearts degen cause it feels like i gave some but it feels like they lost some hearts
fading gazelle
Please confirm clearly if that happens cause it isn't
If it does then that's most likely a bug
coral verge
hearts don't degen
dense cradle
Maybe because it’s greek myth, but I love that this game has a queer flavor. ||Achilles had a former male lover when he was alive, Aphro tells Zag he can meet women AND men once he gets out... etc.|| It’s a small thing but it’s so rare in games that it makes me happy when it’s there, even just subtly.
green pagoda
Does anyone know when you are able to gift Patroclus? I've done over 50 clears but I can't gift him any nectar for his keepsake. I don't think this should be the case?
cobalt maple
it's definitely possible to gift him
green pagoda
Yeah I know, but I don't get the prompt when talking to him :S
cobalt maple
how does his entry in codex look like?
green pagoda
lemme check
cobalt maple
I think there was some weird thing where you had to open his codex entry for something
it might've been gifting
vestal wedge
what does demeter mean when she said "my daughter to a base born farmboy.... I wasnt very kind to her, certainly not after her father passed... born by mortal taken by mortals I suspect"
I thought Persephone is born by demeter and zeus? and what does it mean she was taken by mortal wasnt she taken by hades
who was the farmboy lol
green pagoda
I've checked the codex, there was still a star by his name. It's gone now, so I might be able to gift him now. I'll get back here if I still can't do it
thanks @cobalt maple
viral rover
More like the mortal was Demeter's consort
shell pelican
the game is so good wtf
carmine ravine
wats the max rank again?
frozen roost
I wonder if i can make my bow 1shot hades by the time i get there
999 at mid level of 3rd boss
candid condor
is the keepsakes achievement bugged? i have all of them
carmine ravine
which achievement
candid condor
Something from everyone
viscid hinge
Do you really need to get the bounties on each heat level or will running heat level 10 also give me the bounties for heat level 0 - 9 as well?
sharp fossil
well, not all at once if that's what you mean
if you haven't won with a weapon and beat it at 10 heat you'll get the zero heat bounty, tho, yes
then if you run 10 again you'll get the 1 heat bounty
and so on
cobalt maple
ackshyually you skip the heat 0 bounty and start with heat 1
if you pick higher heat
sharp fossil
wait really
viscid hinge
So the first time you beat it on 10 you don't get the 10 heat bounty but actually the heat 1 bounty?
cobalt maple
idk why is it like this
sharp fossil
that's super weird
cobalt maple
yes @viscid hinge
viscid hinge
I see thanks
sharp fossil
man i need to check if i have any zero heat bounties left lol
imagine doing a zero heat run lmao
cobalt maple
you only get heat 0 bounty for playing with 0 heat
brisk trail
.
shadow marlin
Just thought I'll give some feedback. I'm on a 2015 13' Macbook Pro and on low resolution the game is running more than adequately. I must admit, I thought I'll be bored within a half-an-hour, but so far I keep on coming back! Already well worth the money spent.
safe quartz
how do we report bugs nowadays
cobalt maple
safe quartz
ah, still f10, thanks
viscid hinge
@sharp fossil It would be great though that running a heat 10 run actually give all the bounties up to heat 10 though. Because getting a heat 2 reward for a heat 10 run seems a bit slow progress
It's like succesfully passing a PHD but getting a high school diploma for it
sharp fossil
lol you'd earn bounties ridiculously fast if it worked like that
sure but the main reward for winning high heat has always been winning at high heat
viscid hinge
Yea but getting a low reward for a high run is also strange.
granite ether
it'd be abused unfortunately if the game just gave you all the bounties up to 10 heat for doing a run on 10 heat
people would then go straight to runs at 20 heat to go for getting all the bounties in one shot
sharp fossil
imagine doing a 20 heat streak straight after winning the first time
fair dove
@sharp fossil It would be great though that running a heat 10 run actually give all the bounties up to heat 10 though. Because getting a heat 2 reward for a heat 10 run seems a bit slow progress
@viscid hinge they do it like that cause they want u to keep coming back and playing
Slowly gain ur rewards, one by one
safe quartz
I didn't do a 20 heat streak, I walked the weapons at 1 heat until they were all done, then went up to 2 heat, etc.
fair dove
Not collect them all in one run
sinful pine
something random: imagine if ares or some other god has some special line/reference on your 300th run
unkempt shore
Is Tight Deadline bugged right now? Patch notes stated encounters add time but I get no added time. Have exactly 9 min to clear each act.
woeful finch
9 minutes gets added to the timer each time you enter the passage to the next region
It used to just set it to 9 no matter how much time was left on the clock
unkempt shore
So there's no added time upon completing encounters? I have 9 min for region one then second region adds 9 min again and so on?
ah nevermind, I get it now. Thanks!
jade kindle
smoky wharf
Great, how about you
full nexus
Hello
smoky wharf
Spoilers
granite ether
final boss is spoilers in this channel @full nexus
full nexus
where did I say it was the final boss
granite ether
the implication is there
smoky wharf
@granite ether i think we made a mistake
Regardless tho im bout to fight redacted im just clearing up the final area, and tbh i feel confident i can get my 3rd win
full nexus
coarse fern
hey the cute little drawings of the characters when you forge a bond with them where can i find high quality pngs of them
smoky wharf
I have a really good sword setup that allows me to heal mid fight soooo...
coarse fern
i tried to looko in game folders but im not tech savvy enough to find them
sturdy pier
For people using mouse/keyboard, do you enable dash to cursor or not?
I feel like I prefer dash to cursor, but it’s tougher when using bow
fleet zephyr
no
unkempt wind
ppl that play these kind of games on kb/mouse are masochists lol
fiery ridge
Hello Guys ! i have a question for those who bought early acces on Epic, you had to buy the game again or you had just an update for the game ?
solar dirge
Its an update
quick marlin
Hello, anyone know if gaining aphrodite’s favor only requires one completed romance or all three?
opaque nexus
patent topaz
@quick marlin ||you have to romance Dusa and one or both between Meg and Than. Basically the platonic and at least one of the romantic ones. You have to demonstrate to her you're good in both cases||
quick marlin
@patent topaz ah thanks so much!
sinful spruce
I think I already asked, but do you guys run God's Pride or God's Legacy?
sinful spruce
For me I don't always know if I'll want Duo boons or not though.
kindred wagon
I feel like you can do good with either depending on what build u want tbh
patent topaz
@quick marlin you're welcome c:
sinful spruce
But Legacy boosts both Duos and Legendaries @kindred wagon
kindred wagon
oh wait
sinful spruce
So you should always run Legacy according to your logic
tardy slate
Is there a way to find out which weapons I've used to slay bosses in the past?
kindred wagon
but for specific builds legacy i think is good
Yes
you have to unlock the file rooms
kindred wagon
it tells you your runs and stuff
sinful spruce
I think I prefer Legacy then, because I like unique builds
tardy slate
Tho I wish they'd tell us which weapons we haven't used on certain bosses cuz i want more diamonds
Haha
kindred wagon
hmm?
tardy slate
And idk if I used all weapons on Bone hydra
kindred wagon
just go through the gates to check what rewards you have already collected
granite ether
you have to beat the game once to get access to the ||pact of punishment||
tardy slate
What's a pact of punishment? sorry I'm a noob
kindred wagon
oh crap is that a spoiler?
tardy slate
Lol
kindred wagon
hellmode has it already available so im not sure it counts
tardy slate
It's all good
valid sluice
Delete if not allowed, but I refrmated my PC recently and forgot to backup my save... Does anyone have an Epic Game Store save of Hades I can nab?
kindred wagon
Start from the beginning again bro its fun
tardy slate
@kindred wagon you filipino by any chance?
valid sluice
I know, but I cba to save for the mirror again lol
tardy slate
Haha kain means eat in filipino
granite ether
where did you get upto?
kindred wagon
i own a butterfly knife trainer thats the closest im getting to fillipino
valid sluice
All the mirror was unlocked, had all items etc, so I don't mind a completed or near completed save tbh
kindred wagon
i dont really know how to do tha
granite ether
https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources @valid sluice there should be a thing under saves called 'blood price max save' that should help you
valid sluice
Perfect, thank you 🙂
smoky wharf
Just curious, does anything special happen if you beat the game on your first run
no spoilers but is it something that would be worth doing
granite ether
absolutely no idea, but if you do will you report back with what happens? ^_^
granite ether
that's fair
tardy slate
What happens when boons are upgraded to the next rarity?
kindred wagon
what do u mean?
tardy slate
I know levelling it up increases the damage and all
tardy slate
There's a thing called ambrosia delight
kindred wagon
Like a boon that increases dashes
With a low rarity
you get 1
high rarity
you get 3
flat vapor
think of rarity as the base number your levels increase off of
kindred wagon
etc
granite ether
Hermes boons can't be leveled but can increase in rarity also
ebon sleet
rarity makes it better just like levels do
but it also makes the upgrade between levels greater
granite ether
that 2nd bit isn't true
ebon sleet
e.g. you may go from 10-> 15 with a rare boon, but 25 -> 35 with an epic boon
+10 instead of +5
granite ether
level scaling remains the same
ebon sleet
huh really
flat vapor
levels are different from rarity in that levels are more common, but give diminishing returns
ebon sleet
i could have sworn i noticed epic boons jumping to higher numbers quicker
flat vapor
so after 3-4 levels, a rarity bonus will usually give more increase than another level would
granite ether
it's an incredibly common misconception
potent carbon
Why do people recommend dio cast for Hera?
granite ether
best place to ask is #h1-builds-and-combat
potent carbon
I find having to wait for festive fog to end sucks as opposed to just nuking the enemy with all your casts then doing it again immediately
willow cedar
what's with Hell Mode?
kindred wagon
hellmode is a hardcore mode
no mercy timer / invincibility frames
and some end game features are already available
coarse pasture
it's pretty awkward to dash and use special at the same time
ionic zephyr
what aspect do you prefer on blade y'all?
smoky wharf
Guys i failed to prevent thanatos from killing enemies
meager barn
doesnt matter
ionic zephyr
i maxed out aspect of zag but i'm having second thoughts with how frequently i use cast builds now
meager barn
you get a centaur heart if you beat it, no worries if you dont
smoky wharf
Ik
i just want the heart all the enemies are mine to kill
especially if hes appearring in tartarus
i'll fully accept help in elysium tho as those enemies can be annoying
smoky wharf
I've beaten the game 3 times now
smoky wharf
Im happy that once you understand the fight redacted is actually not that bad to fight
his attacks are often really telling
Oooh first time i got side hustle as anything other than common
kindred wagon
its really good
smoky wharf
very
kindred wagon
wanna run it with golden touch
smoky wharf
Golden touch?
kindred wagon
its a mirror upgrade
smoky wharf
Is it a default one or one that you swap to
smoky wharf
as i use mostly default ones
dang
i'd need to check it out then
God sometimes the fists just destroy things
smoky wharf
Alright i think i have a good run now
minor kiln
how do i unlock the codex? a friend says i should have it but i dont
old haven
Hey uhh sorry to interrupt but how do you get the final keepsake is there a channel I can find the answer in it too
kindred wagon
hold c for codex
minor kiln
im 20 hours in the game, dont have it
smoky wharf
demeter and athena just gave me the ability to slowly regen health when i run out of death defiances
minor kiln
an x shows above my head when i press c
old haven
Ooo nice
minor kiln
finish it how exactly?
old haven
Me?
kindred wagon
you will know how to
old haven
I just keep talking to people and it works
smoky wharf
I think the final keepsake is something you can only obtain sometime after beating the game
kindred wagon
i know how its just i dont want to spil
old haven
Dm me please
smoky wharf
I have an idea of how to get it but not certain
minor kiln
am i supposed to get the codex early on?
void vigil
yes, by talking to achilles
minor kiln
if you say so, talked to him what must be 10 times now
kindred wagon
bruh
mystic nexus
Hey, how does Pressure Points stack with other attacks that can crit?
kindred wagon
u probably have to talk to him much more than 10 times
mystic nexus
Is it additive?
minor kiln
much more? (:
gentle star
I was streaming hades over discord after some friends who were interested wanted to see gameplay and I got the ||true ending|| for the first time
old haven
I was talking to him every chance I got
mystic nexus
Like, if you have a 15% chance to crit on attack and get Pressure Points, do you now have 18%?
old haven
Same with the other npcs
minor kiln
ill keep at it then, cheers
smoky wharf
What do you guys think i should do, buy a demeter upgrade or buy max life?
kindred wagon
boons
gentle star
What’s your weapon and most common god?
kindred wagon
always come first
old haven
Mine is malphone and ares
gentle star
Rare crop can be run defining but if you have the wrong weapon deme is kinda useless
old haven
I love the ares boons tbh
smoky wharf
I have about 3 things from demeter this run including a duo boon with athena
gentle star
Then go Demeter
old haven
You guys wanna know what is crazy?
smoky wharf
my call got demoted to common, but its gonna increase rarity every 3 encounters
literally insane
old haven
Nice!
smoky wharf
time to go shred a bone hydra
old haven
Ares' thing that makes dashes on blade rift is very powerful with the future aspect of the fists
smoky wharf
Truly a great feeling when you reflect a burst projectile from the bone hydra
ebon sleet
my favorite is deflecting the fury sisters and auto-winning that phase
25% of her bar gone in an instant
worthy hedge
how do i unlock the gauntlet weapon aspect
kindred wagon
im rying to unlock it now too
mental fog
Hello! Hope this isn't a spoilery question but does the game have leaderboards? Specifically a leaderboards feature allowing to compare with people on a friend list? If not, have SG said anything about a feature like this?
kindred wagon
i wouldnt know that mate
sharp fossil
okay how is this possible
https://discordapp.com/channels/755800700759572651/755802335112069312/758699686843514920
kindred wagon
huh?
sharp fossil
more people have maxed out all the keepsakes than unlocked them
causality is broken
hybrid parcel
the achievement was bugged, it popped for a lot of people like right when they started
kindred wagon
yeh probably from alot of early access
Oh wait
They maxed out all the trinkets before the new ones
hybrid parcel
also can anyone tell me what are the requirements for Fully Loaded or Bad News? They're the last two legendaries I'm missing and I'm at a loss. Do I need to be using stygian soul or infernal soul or what
sharp fossil
yeah it has to be a bug
mental fog
i wouldnt know that mate
@kindred wagon Cheers. Anyone, though?
sharp fossil
@hybrid parcel if you press B while in the codex entry for a god, you can see a boon list that has all the prerequisites
hybrid parcel
It has the prereqs???? Oh whoa I didn't know that
sharp fossil
oh yeah legendaries all have prerequisites
ruby sedge
@ocean kayak sneak is annoying but it's definitely possible to kill it quickly. Even I've been able to kill it within like 2 or 3 disappearances by using a companion to take out the armor
potent carbon
is it possible to rebind fishing to LMB?
I feel E is a bit too slow for catching rares
flat vapor
you'd have to rebind your interact key to lmb
ocean kayak
@ruby sedge that's unreliable at best because of the wringers spawning in. It also won't work for any early players that don't have companions yet.
ruby sedge
If you're that early in the game though, time isn't really a concern
ocean kayak
no, but survival is. I'm not talking about actual second count, I'm talking about how the game comes to a stop while you chase it around a small room.
ruby sedge
though with middle management I do think it's real annoying
like
I don't think it's a fun fight
but "remove Sneak" feels like an overreaction to me
ocean kayak
I mean, I could say "rework it" but I can't see any tweaks or shortcuts to making this thing less of a headache
ruby sedge
It's not like it's a hard fight imo, it's just kind of annoying
coral verge
@potent carbon if you have a controller, hook it up and use that for fishing, much easier at least for me
ruby sedge
it would be way less annoying/way easier if it just did the melee attack more frequently or stuck around just slightly longer after ranged attack
hollow halo
not just legendaries but every boon that has prereqs will have it listed
wraith linden
I'm trying to progress the quest for Beowulf's shield, but it seems to have stopped, Nyx has come back but it's not popping up, did I miss something?
hollow halo
but if its bad news/fully loaded just take the hermes cast boons pretty much
supple field
the dialogue is rng @wraith linden
queen frigate
Does putting blood into zag aspects count as “unlocking” an aspect? Or does it have to be the other two?
jade crescent
what is the best cast to use with aspect of hera or beowulf?
ocean kayak
I always use Dionysus. You can combine it with Duo boons from Demeter and Zeus
ocean kayak
I think Aphrodite and Poseidon also have good casts.
queen frigate
@ocean kayak are you killing Theseus first?
jade crescent
wouldn't poseidon's knock enemies out of the secondary blasts?
ocean kayak
i didn't get to theseus lol. just Asterius the Miniboss.
queen frigate
Ohh
plush pagoda
Yesterday when I checked escaped Elysium it is near 20% but now it is near 8% what happened?
Escaped Elysium achievement
queen frigate
More people have the game?
raven silo
Presumably just more people got the game
queen frigate
Idk honestly
plush pagoda
Lol it means the people who have the game is doubled
smoky wharf
You ever be so powerful that the game turns into a bullet hell for the enemies
queen frigate
Zues and Artemis builds are fun, yes.
smoky wharf
Bout to go fight redacted, wish me luck bois
queen frigate
Nice!
smoky wharf
my first win was on run 25 as well
what weapon did you win for the first time with, mine was with the gun
queen frigate
I think they mean they saw the credits on 25th run
potent carbon
not my first win
smoky wharf
oh
potent carbon
yeah
smoky wharf
whoops
potent carbon
my first win was on like 14 or 15 I think
smoky wharf
ah
potent carbon
Then I streaked like 8 times
queen frigate
Yeah, usually happens that way once it clicks
smoky wharf
Ares just clutched me the redacted fight
smoky wharf
i mean just now using the ares call he i clutched the fight
queen frigate
Ares call is my least favorite. Such a short duration.
smoky wharf
my first win tho was due to deflect dash, demeter + artemis turret cast, and demeter+athena's regen when you run out of death defiance
potent carbon
after that I just did 1 with all the weapons, maxed hera then switched between that and the gun and finished the game
smoky wharf
my personal favorite call thus far is artemis
potent carbon
my fav call is athena
queen frigate
Artemis and Aphrodite are big damage
opaque bough
I like Zeus but I guess it isn't the best
queen frigate
Aphrodite has been my savior on hell mode.
queen frigate
Charm one shield guy and the one-shot the other gladiators
potent carbon
funny both of my successful exagryph runs were triple rockets
jade crescent
I think my first win was on a spear with tons of athena boons
opaque bough
+%attack damage after Call is also p satisfying to use
potent carbon
like I was trying hestia but doesn't feel too good at low lvl
but triple bomb and triple rockets just blew up everything
queen frigate
I can’t win with spear without triple dash attack
potent carbon
in my last run I had triple artemis rockets
queen frigate
Triple bomb is nice, but cluster is bigger damage I think
jade crescent
hestia is the first shot bonus damage right?
potent carbon
yeah
jade crescent
it's so good if you reload for every shot
potent carbon
I maxed hera and am like 2 bloods of maxing hestia
opaque bough
is it better to max one weapon type or try all of em out first?
still in the phase where titan blood isn't too common
potent carbon
I think I will try to go poseidon next to unlock 4th sword aspect
queen frigate
Try them all
potent carbon
I'm not sure if I want to invest into hades or ||guan yu|| first
opaque bough
I bought level 2 chaos shield on a whim and regretted it instantly
its not bad but
I barely notice when it procs
potent carbon
cus both seems like they need levels to work
potent carbon
most aspects don't shine until maxed I feel
opaque bough
I even had the extra bounces so it was fun in common rooms
but I lost on the boney boi
potent carbon
the ones that do I think are magnet fists and poseidon sword
queen frigate
All of the Zag aspects are great with one or two levels
potent carbon
I unlocked poseidon first cus cast build isn't dependent on aspect lvls
jade crescent
||guan yu|| is a pretty bad aspect without the right hammers, but hades is really good
potent carbon
really? I keep hearing people hyping it
jade crescent
you gotta charge the spin to get the regen, and the health nuke is pretty harsh
potent carbon
it's 30% at max right
brisk trail
How much pure bisexual energy does this game have?
jade crescent
opaque bough
Thanatos/10
potent carbon
according to wiki
opaque bough
what are you doing step-reaper
potent carbon
especially skelly
opaque bough
All weapons good
potent carbon
I don't like spear
queen frigate
Low base damage
steel flicker
Don't listen to anybody
queen frigate
Spear is super fun with hammer upgrades
smoky wharf
I don't have any problems with the spear, just out of all weapons i like it the least
opaque bough
depends entirely on strategy, and variety is the spice of life
zinc nacelle
and way less range
ebon sleet
I do better with ranged spear builds than gun/bow
potent carbon
the only way I could win with spear was special build
opaque bough
wait people don't pick the +Darkness weapon every time?
cobalt maple
spear feels clunky to use for me
jade crescent
sword is crazy strong, you can mostly facetank and win most figths
brisk trail
I presume that Hades is just "bisexual energy The Game, yes"?
jade crescent
same with shield
zinc nacelle
does the sword automatically deflect with the swings ?
smoky wharf
I personally am always doing grand with the bow and the gun is what got me my first win
queen frigate
I always pick the dark thirst weapon.
zinc nacelle
the basic attack
opaque bough
Skelly could turn me gay
ebon sleet
Dash strike build with spear is also probably the most anime way to play hades
smoky wharf
I always pick the dark thirst weapon as well
potent carbon
there are no auto deflects I don't think
opaque bough
"Skelly whispering to you and calling you boyo ASMR"
smoky wharf
hence why i've somehow only gotten to use the spear twice
jade crescent
I mean you need athena attack, but you can stun most people, and the damage with a good build can out dps hades
brisk trail
Am I weird for thinking that a lot of GoW's designs for the gods are more interesting than what they went for in Hades?
steel flicker
no
zinc nacelle
i dont understand how sword is better then speak tbh, it looks like it does less dmg and has less range
opaque bough
Hades is more focused on incorporating actual mythos
zinc nacelle
hm
calm bone
Just got super rekt by this hidden boss at the beginning of the game ||Charon||
ebon sleet
GoW was more standard depictions
zinc nacelle
educate me
ebon sleet
Traditional
brisk trail
... Really?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/godofwar/images/d/dc/HADES.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100923051929
potent carbon
I honestly don't know how to use spear attack build
brisk trail
This is a traditional depiction of Hades?
potent carbon
at least until I buy aspects
jade crescent
how do you unlock the ||cjaron|| fight, I've rolled credits but never saw the thing behind him
potent carbon
the dmg is just so low
smoky wharf
I've tried to fight ||Charon|| once and got him to half health then preceded to dash into a projectile and die
brisk trail
A putrid, decaying being held up by pure malice and rage?
potent carbon
@jade crescent rng
jade crescent
oof
ebon sleet
Traditional in the sense that it could be recreated in a Hollywood movie
zinc nacelle
on sword early game, are you supposed to spam special?
potent carbon
I've seen the money bag a couple times
I dunno, I didn't win with sword until I unlocked poseidon
jade crescent
nah, special kinda doodoo
opaque bough
special is good with Poseidon upgrade
ocean kayak
i miss classic god of war
opaque bough
- the rupture boon
brisk trail
And you could easily recreate Hades' versions of the gods in a gacha game.
ebon sleet
Coming to a theatre near you: god of war, starring Tom cruise
opaque bough
makes temple of styx 99% free
zinc nacelle
spear dps is is strictly better then sword right?
ocean kayak
thinking of what happened to it fills me with a righteous rage
zinc nacelle
i m confused
jade crescent
I prefer the second aspect where you special once then spam light, but on zagreus aspect you just spam dash and attack
zinc nacelle
the basic attack
potent carbon
with left clicks? I think sword is better
brisk trail
Hades is basically a gacha game without the gacha, basically.
zinc nacelle
im pretty sure
ocean kayak
spear dps isn't better, but it is safer.
don't have to get so close, can generally stun enemies.
zinc nacelle
for sword
jade crescent
nah, sword attack is better than spear
opaque bough
I guess, but spear also needs to be aimed properly while sword can just spam buttons
potent carbon
my one spear win was thanks to armor piercing explosive aphrodite spear build
zinc nacelle
i checked
jade crescent
spear's damage is garbo, but you can get it decent with hades
marsh field
mrblanky it is possible that spear basic attack is higher, but you're not considering
marsh field
the width of the spear vs the width of the sword
jade crescent
that's not DPS, you're forgetting attack speed
zinc nacelle
but
marsh field
for example.
zinc nacelle
higher range
brisk trail
jade crescent
how about the dash strikes?
marsh field
Go for the spear then, I mean, if you enjoy that most, do it
brisk trail
This is basically a gacha design.
calm bone
I think speed and range are the best thing for taking on the final boss
jade crescent
because you're gonna be dashing all the time anyways
zinc nacelle
wait im gonna test
brisk trail
Come on, one of these is very much Hades as a regal ruler of the underworld vs Hades as a slave to the underworld and it's needs.
opaque bough
what's the discussion about character design? ofc it's romanticized it fits the chosen style perfectly
zinc nacelle
yes the dash is stonger
calm bone
I dunno if its even possible to beat the final boss using only melee attacks, that would be crazy hard
range all the way
opaque bough
I dunno if its even possible to beat the final boss using only melee attacks, that would be crazy hard
I mean why would it be harder than the rest of the game
brisk trail
I know, I know, I'm just asking a question of if I'm weird for thinking that some of the GoW designs for the Hades characters are more interesting than the Hades ones.
potent carbon
vanilla spear and sword are my bottom 2 weapons anyways
jade crescent
giant AOE, but shorter range, easier to hit for the most part given both are melee
zinc nacelle
also
steel flicker
@brisk trail no
marsh field
I find spear useful, and ive beaten redacted with it, but i personally enjoy playstyle, upgrades and such for sword more
opaque bough
interesting =/= historically accurate
zinc nacelle
shield is lower dps too it feels like
opaque bough
Hades picked a style and rocked it
zinc nacelle
what am i missing lol
opaque bough
so did GoW
brisk trail
That's true.
marsh field
hammer upgrades, synergy between aspects and boons
jade crescent
I wish the hammer upgrade that made you a squishy vampire was an aspect instead
marsh field
is what youre missing
calm bone
The final boss is hard to dodge even when you're trying to keep your distance with a range weapon, having to go up in his face with a melee weapon to dmg him seems crazy to me
brisk trail
Hades is more accurate, but I like GoW's weird, out there rewrites of the lore to suit it's own needs.
jade crescent
also shield is insane in defensive ability
zinc nacelle
okay so am i correct in saying vanilla spear is stronger than the rest?
opaque bough
imagine if spear got cursed slash
zinc nacelle
dps
potent carbon
my fav weapons are hera hestia and poseidon with cosmic egg, says a lot about me I guess
zinc nacelle
and range
jade crescent
nah, hades
brisk trail
I like all of the weapons that aren't the bow.
marsh field
but mrblanky, you never play "vanilla" weapons
brisk trail
I don't like the bow, it's kinda weak.
marsh field
that point is sorta moot
calm bone
the bow can do some INSANE dmg if you get close to their back and fire off 12 shots
potent carbon
so it's more I like the casts
opaque bough
all I know is regular > achilles spear
potent carbon
I heard Chiron is good tho
calm bone
you can do like 1k dmg per hit with the bow
zinc nacelle
is the shield special garbage?
opaque bough
zipping around to your special is fun but too high skill for me
potent carbon
shield special is wonderful
marsh field
the shield is the one ive won the most with
potent carbon
you just need ares
zinc nacelle
it does no dmg
jade crescent
aka it's bad
steel flicker
there are a lot of shields mr blanky
jade crescent
it does super small damage
brisk trail
I still think that Aphrodite and Ares' designs are better than their GoW counterparts, but man do I wish that they didn't make Poseidon a chill surfer dude.
potent carbon
it doesn't need to do dmg with ares
marsh field
mr blanky, you are getting hung up on the training range there. it does not reflect how the weapon does in a run
jade crescent
aphrodite hades design 
opaque bough
I like weird uncle poseidon
marsh field
they are all fairly balanced during runs imo
opaque bough
then again it's a bit overdone
jade crescent
lmao
calm bone
I think all weapons are about evenly strong except for the sword
zinc nacelle
sword is weakest?
potent carbon
I like poseidon's boons the least, cus it's OP vs normal enemies but useless vs bosses
unless you get very specific boons
jade crescent
shield and sword are top tier, bow and spear and gun are good, fists are pretty bad
potent carbon
sword isn't weak lol
opaque bough
there should be a poseidon boon that lets you knock bosses at least for a % of normal distance
marsh field
and also, it doesnt really matter who is the weakest or not when you're starting out. Use them all, try them all, experiment with different builds
potent carbon
fists is highest dps
zinc nacelle
OKAY
chilly pawn
I still dont have access to my past victory stats
zinc nacelle
oops
jade crescent
but you're real squishy
calm bone
hehe first time I managed to beat the final boss was with the fist
zinc nacelle
im just gonna play
brisk trail
Poseidon in mythology was a man who made Hades look social and constantly destroyed anyone who entered his domain in fits of rage, and is as much a cthonic god as any of the people in the underworld, especially given his association with earthquakes.
potent carbon
I don't like fists but I will admit it has the highest dps
craggy grail
it's all based on your playstyle lads
opaque bough
so what I'm getting from this conversation is nobody frickin knows what's the best, it's all sorta balanced
craggy grail
no weapon is "best"
brisk trail
Yeah.
craggy grail
except ||Guan Yu||, that's bad /s
chilly pawn
U will like ‘em all
brisk trail
I don't like the bow but it's probably well made.
marsh field
At least at the point of the game where I am, low heat, it feels fairly even
brisk trail
Just too fond of running and gunning to get a handle on it.
craggy grail
there is probably a ||Guan Yu|| stan in this chat
calm bone
getting the bow with a reflecting special is crazy good
opaque bough
Bow just needed that little extra oomph in chamber battles, like some pierce on Special maybe
calm bone
especially if you upgrade your reflects to do more dmg
craggy grail
sorry for not adding spoilers
chilly pawn
Where to check victory stats
smoky wharf
God Idk what made me love it but the gun is honestly so fun to use sometimes
steel flicker
sometimes
kind moss
I love divine flourish on bow
chilly pawn
Just completed a run with shotgun
craggy grail
can you enter the admin room @chilly pawn
zinc nacelle
on sword
chilly pawn
Hmmm i dont think so
zinc nacelle
what god should i prioritize
craggy grail
then continue playing the game
zinc nacelle
boons
craggy grail
otherwise check your scrying pool in your room
jade crescent
athena or artemis are good on everything
opaque bough
aspect of Eris rail + 300% damage boon
smoky wharf
@zinc nacelle those questions would probably be better asked in #h1-builds-and-combat
zinc nacelle
k
chilly pawn
I completed with each weapon, why wouldnt they unlock the admin room for me
craggy grail
most unlocks in the game are RNG event based
marsh field
MrBlanky https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883 for a quick beginner thing
opaque bough
I probably will
I got lost in this game for like half a week forgetting I needed to do a bunch of assignments
craggy grail
and pay attention to NPCs with exclamations over their head, and to the top left corner of your screen for hints
opaque bough
I'll be fine but no time for gaming just yet :p
craggy grail
eventually, things will unlock by virtue of going on runs, and coming back, and things will be triggered