Fine, switching topics
#h1-discussion
clever halo
Fish.
strong heron
anything else.
clever halo
I think the chrustacean's cute. :p
acoustic sand
i didn't catch one :/
hexed smelt
the chrustacean is the best fish obviously
high island
I like the common ones mainly because I never get to see them.
I've caught 2-3 legendaries in a row more often than commons in total. 
hexed smelt
the chaos fish are all really pretty-looking but i've yet to catch one myself :c
acoustic sand
i only catch common fish
i would gladly swap with you Nyan
i like fishing. In FF15 i fished all the time
clever halo
I still have 7 unfound fish. :/
obsidian pulsar
I can consistently get perfect catches now, so it's mostly tier 2 and 3 fish. I think the flameeater is pretty neat. Still haven't got the tier 1 or 3 chaos fish yet
high island
I'll probably hear the ding there in Chaos's place one day when I'm already leaving the area because I always play on TD and I don't have time.
acoustic sand
wait
obsidian pulsar
Just a few projellies
acoustic sand
it's not random ? you catch good fish if your catch is on time ?
sage marten
Yeah i canβt find chaos fishes either
high island
It's a perfect catch if you catch within 340 msec.
sage marten
And that breaks my heart
obsidian pulsar
Yeah, you have to strike within a fraction of a second of the bite
acoustic sand
don't joke with me π
obsidian pulsar
And it'll say 'Perfect Catch' at the top. And that guarantees you at least a mid-tier fish but often a high-tier
Haven't had a Gupp in weeks
high island
β’ Less than 0.34 second: Perfect catch. Guaranteed to catch a Rare fish. 5% chance to catch a Legendary fish
β’ 0.34 second to 0.68 second: Good catch. 5% chance to catch a Rare fish.
β’ After 1 second: fail with a "Too Late" message.
obsidian pulsar
My method is to watch the space above the float, not the float itself. Ignore any movement of the float and watch for the flash and the upward splash of water
clever halo
Why do you never play poker with Orpheus?
high island
Because.
clever halo
He's too good a lyre.
high island
Yeah, just watch for the flash.
Higher refresh rate helps, too. And just generally practicing your reactions to stay sharp.
acoustic sand
have you ever fished in FF15 ? It's so fun
high island
Haven't played FFXIV yet.
acoustic sand
i love some minigames inside great games. Some I'm very good at...others i suck
in Far Cry 3 there was the sniping / poker / knife throwing, in Witcher 3 the gwent which was amazing...the fishing is a really great idea in Hades
especially since it gives gems
(yes i'm decorating like a madman)
ooohhh @clever halo i just got the joke
clever halo
^_^
acoustic sand
imagine another minigame : doing a guitar hero against Orpheus
sour dust
unrelated but it reminds me of the minigame in night in the woods
i'd be cool if there was something similar in the game where you actually practice the lyre
acoustic sand
in Skyrim it's not technically a minigun but you can hunt. Maybe we could hunt satyr sacks for Cerberus
wait
distant flume
anyone else think asterius is the hardest boss in the game?
Like just asterius. Theseus is squishy and easy
twilit burrow
I've yet to beat the final boss but the one I have the most trouble with is usually Theseus + Asterius combo
When either go down I am safe
acoustic sand
Theseus + asterius are so satisfying to beat
distant flume
I actually think asterius might be overtuned especially on extreme measures
obsidian pulsar
Vanilla asterius (with or without Theseus) I don't find too bad. Except that one slash attack he has with zero telegraphing.
That frigging sucks if you're a melee build
I've only used EM3 about twice so don't feel qualified to comment on that yet.
high island
You can deflect, I think, everything Asterius does including his run attack. EM3 you can't deflect anything he does though lol.
obsidian pulsar
Oof
distant flume
that asterius bull rush attack and the infinite cyclone are insane
acoustic sand
i think i'm gonna unlock music just to see Hades face when i play some
also cause they're good
solar trail
"Turn that down >:("
novel wasp
Play Farewell when fighting aids
acoustic sand
i want to play the Painful Wayyy
maybe if i choose the House of Hades instead the Lord of the house will break into a solo
distant flume
If my game or pc crashes do I lose the whole run? Or does it save
solar trail
I think it saves automatically and you can join back once
azure tinsel
How does crit chance stack? If i use a weapon that has 15% inherit crit chance + deadly strike (15%) +pressure point (5%), that means i have a total of 35% crit chance per attack?
Also, does it have a limit?
nocturne rampart
I think limit is 100%?
high island
Crit chance is additive, yeah.
I guess the limit would be 100% in theory? I don't think anywhere close to that, anyway.
manic bobcat
Is it possible to get 100%?
I guess with enough poms on Pressure Point it's doable, unless there is a cap on level too?
tall fox
Yes! done with renovations, atleast for now if they decide to add more. I can finally skip gemstone rooms
sullen ocean
hi, how "feature complete" is this game? I can buy it right now with a coupon discount on epic store so if it's basically the finished product I'd like to do that
sinful star
Well, the ending isn't there yet, and there are a few things missing, but the features that are there are cohesive enough to be very enjoyable.
sullen ocean
no ending? is there an eta for that?
manic bobcat
When the game is released
Later this year
Mind you the ending missing is mainly for the narrative side.
The so called final boss is in the game
sullen ocean
sweet ok. I'm sold. thanks for the answers
manic bobcat
Np!
novel wasp
also you have access to us
a thriving community
sometimes cursed
π
today i bring you
Animephrodite https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331824691620741130/701446349656162414/unknown.png
solar trail
It doesnt look out of place
Maybe all the gods are 3d, but since Zag is a massive weeb he sees them as 2d
novel wasp
hue
manic bobcat
This must be the poster in his room
sharp parcel
that's not anime
solar trail
her hand is already gripped like that
sharp parcel
that's some lovecraftian abomination
acoustic sand
kill it with fiiire
also she does threaten to come kill Zag at some point, how dare she
HoW DaRE YoU
solar trail
Bro if this game was set in ancient ethiopian times would aphrodite be wider than she is tall π€
acoustic sand
the Olympians did had banquets in Ethiopia
solar trail
:o
acoustic sand
according to Homer i think
novel wasp
yeah they are just having social distance party
solar trail
Aw sweet i love the simpsons
novel wasp
hue
acoustic sand
by Ethiopia the ancient greeks meant all black africa basically
solar trail
Im not sure if i like where this is going but alright
novel wasp
Ares with kitchen knife
acoustic sand
Aithiopia = "burnt / brown face" in ancient greek. It was the whole continent to them, pretty unknown at the time to them obviously
novel wasp
acoustic sand
sometimes tho i think Libya was used to designate the whole african continent
novel wasp
my homie athena doesnt agree
acoustic sand
and i think Africa if i'm not mistaken was used widely by Romans to designate Libya / North Africa, then it became used as Afriqiyya by Arabic conquerors...then...
novel wasp
its odd they dont really record the fact that they migrated from Africa to Europe
but thats like
ancient ancient history
acoustic sand
well, i don't think Greeks did migrate from Africa lol, at least they didn't remember it
acoustic sand
yea, ik, but it was so far past
the Greeks themselves probably did remember some part of their origins but it was very obscure, and probably they came from the north
well, we dk really
we're not sure either about our african ancestry, it's just a theory that has a lot of clues going for it
novel wasp
i mean we did traced back to a common human origin
acoustic sand
it's incredible, isn't it
novel wasp
the mitochondria eve or something
acoustic sand
but we didn't find Zagreus skeleton, ie Zag is still alive
its very difficult to find his imprints cause he's on fire all the time
novel wasp
zag using his default sword, but the sword is a kitchen knife
thats why it gets movement speed buff because its a tiny naif
acoustic sand
aspect of himself
novel wasp
and yes it is also the joke that the sword is pretty garbo
novel wasp
you have Aurthur
acoustic sand
not yet :/
acoustic sand
i'm so glad i got all the keepsakes
novel wasp
acoustic sand
i even started decorating Zag's room
novel wasp
the best boon of all time
acoustic sand
Chaos is pretty nice
wary moth
Imposing
acoustic sand
loll
novel wasp
if i can mod i will totally replace that boon image with this
acoustic sand
hahaha
novel wasp
or just the hand do the gotem
sour dust
why is everyone so intent on making everything cursed smh
novel wasp
Perfect
solar trail
fantastic
brave thicket
oh lords
upper meteor
Did he see someone giving ambrosia to Miss Piggy
terse geyser
It's been almost week since I've played, and I still have 199 hours in the past two weeks.
sage marten
i have like
64 hours or so
bought it last month, been playing intermitently but my sessions usually last for hours
terse geyser
wait a minute.
24 hours in a day.
168 in a week.
so steam has to be lying to me
sage marten
hades is a great time killer i'll give you that
solar trail
For me i usually play an hour a day
like a 40 minute run
and 20 minutes spent on the dating sim that is everything else
barren ember
There's a dating sim in this game lol? I assume it has to do with ambrosia
Now I kind of hope some gods will be jealous of other gods based on what I do
manic bobcat
Yeah the "dating sim" is very very barebone. Not surprising since that's not the main focus of the game.
But it's there and the flavor text is nice.
solid briar
Being a good EA player means submitting bug reports on stream
analog iron
Is there a date for the next patch already?
manic bobcat
Mid June is all we know
analog iron
ty !
brisk trail
so whats the best way of avoiding the bulls charge attack π€ I figured you either have some hermes boons or you lure him to run into a pillar but the pillar is only stopping him like 40% of the time
sterile peak
if you have at least 2 dashes like you always should, you can outpace him
just circle a pillar and try to get him into it, that's the only way
flat vapor
you can also stand next to a wall and dash as soon as he gets close
deep pivot
I started to lure him to the walls instead and they are 100% more reliable than the pillars π
dawn tangle
Sometimes he just drifts perfectly around the pilar
And it turns into a chase around the pilar, almost hilarious if tesseus wasnt aiming like mad
keen magnet
hey guys! I just did a run with a lot of bonus Darkness effects from Chaos. But I noticed that when I had an active negative effect from Chaos, I was not getting any bonus darkness, even from other effects that should have been active.
does anyone know if that's intentional...?
serene obsidian
Yeah I go pillars for Theseus walls for Asterus
brisk trail
nice tip thanks
flat vapor
@keen magnet that sounds like a bug, did you report it with f10?
light estuary
so i was thinking of buying hades, and it says it's built for replayability?
does the game have some sort of procedural generation like a lot of rogue-lites (rather than rogue likes) or is it just because of the amount of builds you can do?
terse geyser
Both. It's procedurally generated and there is a huge variety of possible builds
acoustic sand
its my first hack n slash and i'm new so i'm not the best to respond but i think yes the different rooms your character goes through are procedurally generated...at least some of them. It's definitely replayable...
you do have many builds and options, but i don't want to spoil
light estuary
that's p interesting to see a procedurally generated game with story ngl.
manic bobcat
definitely replayable
I mean... do you really have a choice?
twilit burrow
Even if you beat the game, you still want to have another go at it
acoustic sand
i'm usually into RPGs or grand strategy / historical, but Hades sucked me into its void of deliciousness
twilit burrow
A good comparison I think might be bvinding of isaac if you played that
winter cape
80 hours in and I am still far from half completion
light estuary
i've played a lot of isaac
acoustic sand
the worst thing is now i do want to see more of Isaac and Dead Cells and roguelites
twilit burrow
Well imagine it's like Isaac only instead of becoming a shootemup it's a beat em up, sort of
manic bobcat
I have played Isaac
twilit burrow
Different setups every run make it fun to just run and try stuff
light estuary
and also a lot of dark souls when it comes to a game that just allows different builds in terms of replayability.
and also that sounds pretty damn cool tbh
manic bobcat
And not to drink the Kool Aid, but Hades is more satisfying
acoustic sand
i think Hades is FUN
twilit burrow
2 hours if you take it SUPER slow
light estuary
drink the g-fuel instead
twilit burrow
Like, SUPER SLOW
acoustic sand
that's my review. It's fun.
manic bobcat
Issac runs are what 30 mins average
twilit burrow
no
manic bobcat
Hades is in the same ballpark
winter cape
My advice for Hades is to start on Hell mode, you will enjoy it longer
twilit burrow
If you get to the deeper levels it can range around the 2 hs mark
manic bobcat
What do you mean
light estuary
oops
acoustic sand
I wrote a long a** review on Steam then opted for a more minimalistic approach and just changed it to : TAKE THAT, THESEUS
lol
light estuary
if you get really bad rng you'd be taking forever on isaac
manic bobcat
It takes me like at max an hour to get to Blue Baby in Isaac
light estuary
but at that point you just restart
twilit burrow
Don't know about rebirth, but OG isaac when getting to the chest would take an hour at the minimum
Exploring whole floors that is
If you just go straight to boss I guess it would take you way too little
manic bobcat
Hmm ok. We can agree to disagree then since this is Hades Discord.
light estuary
rebirth takes me an hour per run generally i think.
maybe more since i like to explore the whole floors
manic bobcat
But yes, Hades can be fun if you like Isaac.
twilit burrow
Again, I am talking OG Isaac, no idea if Rebirth is faster I didn't touch it that much
light estuary
but yeah either way
sounds good B)
manic bobcat
Ok I play Rebirth.
twilit burrow
But yeah pretty much if you like Isaac, Hades will be right up your ball park
acoustic sand
ive seen games when you're a king exploring islands full of mobs, it's sort of a platform and you have to build barriers to stop the mob invasion, i guess it's not roguelite. I'm making progress, i can differentiate. I congratulate myself
manic bobcat
But anyhow haha
velvet coral
Hello everyone!
acoustic sand
but you get used to it
acoustic sand
i die every day now and it has never felt so good
manic bobcat
Potential answer!
acoustic sand
ask and an answer shall be given
winter cape
It's stress releasing. Whenever I get bored I just start a new run and slam the mobs for 25 mins
velvet coral
Do you know if they will add in run codes so that my friend and I can race on the same potential rng
acoustic sand
it is stress creating too
manic bobcat
Seed already exists I think
velvet coral
Wait seed exists?!
acoustic sand
i want to race for the slowest run
velvet coral
Also what is the key to get a sub 20 min run. My best time is 20:56 and I cant beat it
manic bobcat
I saw people mention seeds occasionally on this Discord
winter cape
There are a few skips
velvet coral
Just go fists without Athena boons @acoustic sand
manic bobcat
I also saw people doing speedrun with seeds.
So I think a bit of Googling will help you here. Mind you, I don't use seeds myself so what I say can be false.
winter cape
You can 1 shot Hydra with companion
manic bobcat
So I think a bit of Googling will help you here. Mind you, I don't use seeds myself so what I say can be false.
acoustic sand
fists are pretty effective
manic bobcat
I finished Hydra in 30s today
velvet coral
Is that using Meg?
velvet coral
0_0
winter cape
Imo 20 mins is good enough for me. I am not extreme speedster
acoustic sand
do you know who is the shortest god in Hades ?
manic bobcat
Ask Asterius
acoustic sand
De Meter
twilit burrow
I am still doing 40 - 50 runs so considering the earlier Isaac thing I said I am probably slow
acoustic sand
i'm out
twilit burrow
Then again I am just 18 runs in so maybe it's because I am still early
velvet coral
Youre very early
This game keeps on giving more
Its so deep in terms of what you unlock
SO have fun!
manic bobcat
No dude. I don't play original Isaac so you can be right
winter cape
I am on hell mode 25 heats, but only on shield
velvet coral
How do you become a green boi btw
THere is a corner you can cheese with shield against the final boss
manic bobcat
Go to #bot-commands
acoustic sand
stop making me depressed i'm on 3 heat
winter cape
I still have lots of stuff to unlock
manic bobcat
Check pin
velvet coral
@manic bobcat thank you!
manic bobcat
Np
velvet coral
Are the devs gonna fix the corner camping with shield against hades?
Or do something about that cheese?
manic bobcat
Prob not
winter cape
Shield is just too good
acoustic sand
Shield is not that fun to me
twilit burrow
You could post it in the feedback channel
twilit burrow
they might already be aware of it
winter cape
Btw you can corner camp with spear and bow too, not just shield
manic bobcat
Yeah you can make feedbacks
velvet coral
If you get the shield charge that shoots a bolt, and go to bottom left corner by where you walk in you can just sit there and the AI of the final boss bugs out and he runs around and cant hit you
wait how with spear and bow
manic bobcat
But I do want to discuss "op" stuff in Rougelite games
I think crutches for new players can be OK.
twilit burrow
By the way they describe it this sound outright unfair, probably going to be patched
manic bobcat
Advanced people would be speedrunning with other stuff anyhow
velvet coral
I have pillar camped with spear and bow, and if you get deflect with the bow just shoot the pillar and it always hits last boss
winter cape
You can shoot through the wall
I used that trick to kill the final boss with spear the first time
narrow hemlock
remember the identity of the final boss is considered a spoiler in this channel, you might wanna move to gameplay
manic bobcat
Yes but heat exists.
twilit burrow
Or spoiler mark it
velvet coral
OH sorry
manic bobcat
Tight Deadline means no camping
velvet coral
ill remove it
acoustic sand
the Furies are on their way
narrow hemlock
its okay! not everyone realizes. but if youre discussing gameplay anyway sometimes its just easier rofl
velvet coral
s
winter cape
Yea the low heats are quite easy, it's only challenging from 25+
Where you have to add very nasty penalties
acoustic sand
casually having difficulties on 4 heats
manic bobcat
Yeah. So as for camping or stalling in Hades with bow or shield, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing for new people to have their 1st clear.
Camping doesn't exactly work for higher heat anyhow.
velvet coral
Depends on what you get though
winter cape
Yea my first few runs are tough, I don't think I could complete without camping
Bow and shields are my favorites
Then after maxing chaos shield it gets much easier
boreal fiber
does hunting blades work with the achilles spear?
is the whole blade rift or just the first 2 hits
light estuary
just bought the game, gonan try/play it on normal mode first
can already tell im gonna like it within the first 15 mins i've played tho ngl.
velvet coral
@light estuary good luck and be prepared to drop mad hours into this game
many long nights and many more "just one more run"
light estuary
im prepared
i've set the mood in my room with a deep red light
and im loving the aesthetic and world of this game already
even tho i've just been dropped in i wanna learn about it cuz it's beautiful
sinful pine
Y e s
molten lagoon
Runs smooth as butter and can feel the 144hz
light estuary
i should be upgrading my monitor to a 144 hz one at the end of the month so i cant wait to feel that
light estuary
bruh ngl hypnos got me actin kinda strange
velvet coral
Hypnos makes me want to see him as a fightable character whenever he is sassy about me dying on a high heat run to a low level mob
clever halo
Careful, he might be into that.
light estuary
i hope he is
clever halo
He is a very pretty boy. But then, he always gets his beauty sleep.
light estuary
ok diosnysus got me acting strange too ngl
clever halo
It's that inch of bum he's showing.
narrow hemlock
dont bully hypnos
brisk trail
In the "hottest characters" tier list a bunch of people made last year I put Dionysus as number 2 after Meg.
velvet coral
If anyone is speedrunning Hades, know that I am putting up a $200 bounty for fastest run once the next patch drops. I will coordinate with the speedrunning community all the details. May the boons of Hermes be with you.
manic bobcat
Where is this hottest character tier list you speak of?
flat vapor
hottest boys in order
- ares
- zag
- dio
narrow hemlock
taste
worthy egret
everyone is gonna drop bouldy in hottest
upper meteor
artemis is S tier aphrodite is F tier
light estuary
right time to take a break
loving it so far though, and loving unlocking the lore
i do hope the boons from the gods are more than just like, deflect for athena, or blade rift for ares.
at the same time idrc as i don't see that being a major issue. still super fun.
im still very early in tho so p much just first hour or two for me
velvet coral
Oh thereβs A LOT more
The boons just get more and more complex the more you play
You start learning synergies and will learn the other stuff for boons too
vast junco
playstyle expression really starts to open up even more when you start unlocking extra weapon aspects too
light estuary
i saw that typo
so there's more to the gods than just deflect, blade rift, etc. etc.?
i mean i'm literally only touching the surface then i guess
excited to unlock and paly more B)
so far i'm liking the spear the most. i have yet to unlock the shield
low fiber
Once you start discovering things like aspects combined with certain boons combined with privilege status, the game opens up a lot of mechanics for experimentation
At least I think so
light estuary
hell yeah
quaint bramble
Also, even if you find boon pickups a little predictable after a while, Juneβs major update is supposed to bring new ones
wind nest
Went from 3 dd to death against overtime thessus and asterius.
vast junco
the whole experience is very modular with how the mirror of night or pact of punishment works too, they're fun to tweak and try out according to your tastes
light estuary
even more hell yeah. i cant wait to see that!
i didn't even know about duo boons so that's gonna be awesome.
i got a lot to try out then lol
low fiber
In retrospect, I guess that was a touch spoilery
quaint bramble
Well, you didnβt say precisely how to get them so there is some mystery remaining hehe
light estuary
it's all good.
and yeah i'll discover ittt
low fiber
I like knowing mechanics so my definition of spoilers almost entirely pertains to story
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
light estuary
same for me to an extent. tho i sometimes like discovering mechanics myself
low fiber
I spent a fair amount of time early on looking and watching higher tier gameplay to understand what could be done
Despite this, Iβm still discovering a lot of stuff for myself
Itβs an enjoyably deep game but I also donβt come from a background of rogues and roguelikes/lites
Just been following SGG since they put out Bastion
light estuary
i need to get around to buying and playing their previous games eventually
i played a tiny bit of transistor, back when i was a dumb child who was bad at games so i didn't like it
im pretty sure i'd like them all now lol
i was probs around 13 at that time so i guess i was just p impatient
low fiber
transistor OST got me through a lot of very difficult days years of studying
night arch
hey π quick question
you know how using your cast will drop the bloodstone and you need to pick it up to use it again? how come sometimes it'll have a yellow circle around it?
brisk trail
That's a timer that signals that when the Bloodstone will pick itself up and fly back to Zag.
It's a really long time, though.
night arch
oooh
good to know, thanks!
i'm doing my first really cast-heavy build, i don't tend to use it much. but chain lightning is pretty nice
low fiber
it's a long time but sometimes your cast flies off into areas that you can't reach (namely Elysium and the final boss) and that timer is your only lifeline
autumn breach
OHH, the last boss has 2 phases, i thought it was a bug that i got killed by an attack after i've already cleared his health bar once
elder oyster
Hey i just bought the game and if someone can say me, it is worth give 2 or more nectar to the same god
flat vapor
if you consider more lore and dialogue to be worth it, then yes
somber cape
Where is the channel for praise? I just wanted to praise the voice talents of the game. Not sure where to put that.
elder oyster
if you consider more lore and dialogue to be worth it, then yes
@flat vapor Thx
I waste 3 wainting more items
xd
flat vapor
you can put it in feedback!
somber cape
It won't let me talk :(
flat vapor
check the pins of that channel
light estuary
it's 2:30 am
i was gonna sleep
hades is calling to me though
dawn tangle
Got my first win
Feels great
I kinda feel that now is where the game really begins
brisk trail
@dense moth That piece of Feedback is inaccurate, you do not have to stop attacking for Doom to fire.
dense moth
@brisk trail Thanks! I was like "wait, really?" when I saw it in someone else's feedback
I'll delete then!
solar trail
I was confuzzled too
I think its that its less effective because you can't stack doom and the previous doom has to finish to start the next one?
Maybe
stable zephyr
Yea kinda sucks to use on chiron's special for that reason without the stacking boon.
terse gorge
hey guys do you usually play only weapon with darkness bonus ? or play whatever you want ?
clever halo
I stick to the darkness bonus, but I haven't maxed out my Mirror.
I may stop caring about the bonus when my Mirror is maxed, but that's at least 140,000 Darkness off.
(And even then, I may still want the bonus for Dark Regeneration.)
flat vapor
i don't need the darkness, but i like using it for random weapons
keeps my runs from being too samey
distant flume
how to beat 32 heat 
it's just too insane
distant flume
what pacts to avoid?
velvet coral
Depends on your skills, I think the ones that are the hardest is the one that makes enemies attacks faster. And the one that gives armored attributes. Since those can be run killers if you get bad rng
I think the safest bets are traps do 400% damage and that you get 20% more enemies
high island
I just use whatever weapon I feel like most of the time. But sometimes the bonus will affect my choice.
tall fox
do we know if they will add more renovations? I want to know if I should stack my gems for now or just convert them
distant flume
I just saw a 32 heat speedrun with rail. Guy got spread fire at the start into artemis attack into multiple chaos boons and basically cruised through. Is this legit or just extreme levels of rng?
manic bobcat
Also mind you, speedrunners usually use seeds
So the OP build you see is even more OP since they are optimized.
high island
Yeah, they've mapped out the run.
manic bobcat
Yup. So not really RNG. They planned it that way.
high island
Well, Spread Fire still deletes enemies either way.
distant flume
how do you seed a run?
floral shore
Is there a legit way to do this? I always liked Slay the Spire's option where you could enter a run seed to replay like a streamer's run to see if you could do better, does Hades have something similar?
paper coral
I think you need a mod
high island
Either a mod or save file sharing.
manic bobcat
Basically save file sharing
distant flume
oh so it's not legit then
manic bobcat
It's legit
Speedrun has guidelines
The above video has a lot of info per speedrunning
floral shore
I guess "legit" means "within the game's intended methods".
manic bobcat
So for the intent and purposes of the runners, seeds are OK.
As for a "causal" player run, it's up to personally preference I guess.
distant flume
I was just asking because seeds aren't in the game so therefore seeding a run = outside of in game methods?
I guess legit is subjective too
manic bobcat
Well, speedrunning is weird.
Every community has their own guidelines
For Hades it happens to be "seeds OK."
flat vapor
the game uses seeds for its rng, speedrunners just find good seeds and practice them
if a really good seed is found, then it's spread around and mapped like above
manic bobcat
And for another tidbit, the "outside of in game methods" debate is a heated one in speedrunning in general.
If you have time, you can dig into this rabbit hole.
Look up Doom speedrunning, for example.
merry harbor
And to a smaller extent, you can rerun the same seed over and over in casual play by hitting Give Up if a run starts going sour and starting again.
It's just a reuse of that feature, in the end.
II usually end up going that route for my 32 heat attempts just because eating damage before the Furies is SILLY and not a good start.
high island
Ironically, from what I can tell, speedruns take a whole lot more time from you than just playing regularly.
manic bobcat
Lol yup. I got hit with common Deadly Strike and Epic Deadly Shot for 1st boon
I gave up
And reload, pick Hera bow plus Dionysus
No shame...
high island
Common Deadly Strike is fine.
manic bobcat
I refuse to take it.
Oh and reloading also doesn't ruin your streak either.
So yeah that's how you save scum in Hades.
high island
Higher rarity barely adds any damage. Deadly Strike gets most of its damage from crits and other +% damage sources like Hunter Dash or Chaos boons.
manic bobcat
You are right. But I didn't equipped Adamant Arrow for a common blessing.
I want the good stuff.
Also it's the first boon and I have no moral qualm save scumming the game so there is that also.
Why have an OK run when you can have an OP one?
But yes, you are absolutely right.
high island
Common Deadly Strike can turn into an OP run. Epic Drunken Strike can turn into a meh run.
manic bobcat
Epic Trippy Shot with Hera, which ended up with Scintillating Feast and Ice Wine.
But I already admit I lost to Hades
high island
Well.
manic bobcat
So I guess the fool is still me haha
high island
You could have common Trippy Shot and it would be busted. It's pretty broken lol.
manic bobcat
Yup. With epic boon I still got my behind handed to me. So I guess this is what I get for reloading.
high island
Should have mashed that cast button harder.
obsidian pulsar
I tried out aspect of Hera and I don't really get it. What's the benefit? Just that you can cast a bit faster and collect crystals sooner?
sharp parcel
Sort of. For example, you could use Dionysus' cast and put all 3 charges into your next shot, which will deal a monstrous amount of damage in a decently sized AOE
solar trail
Or demeter Lazer
obsidian pulsar
How does crystal beam work with it?
solar trail
No idea
tall fox
it just drops the crystal right in front of the enemy you hit
so attacking moving enemy will most likely make it move right past the crystals making them do nothing
flat vapor
@obsidian pulsar its main strength is burst damage
you can kill enemies in one shot usually by loading all casts into one arrow
and if it doesn't kill, then it'll come out of the enemy quicker anyways
obsidian pulsar
Yeah, burst damage seemed to be the thing. I made the mistake of using artemis' True Shot and wondering if i'd get the homing/piercing properties on the attack but it just fired the arrows out of the foe that was hit. Felt really weird to use
I might come back to it
but Chiron plays so much better for me
sullen ocean
@manic bobcat hey, we spoke yesterday and you recommended I get the game. Just wanted to say I bought it and have played it for a couple of hours now. It's absolutely awesome. The gameplay loop is really tight
gloomy fulcrum
I know right? I bought it yesterday and I loved it so far
I also love the characters, they feel really well done
sinful pine
when early access feels like 1.0, something is done right
orchid zealot
I only don't like Zagreus's voice acting, it's just so monotone
the others are really nice tho
gloomy fulcrum
I think he's supposed to sound kinda sad and regretful
he knows he wants to leave but feels bad about abandoning his friend,s perhaps
he clearly has several "daddy issues", too, because his dad is basically a wall against his words
you can tell from the way they talk
'course, that's what I think, doesn't mean I'm right
orchid zealot
I like it on some of the characters, like achilles or orpheus, but on the protag it just gets old fast
dawn tangle
you hear him far more often
but i think it suits him
everything has something going on
and zag is just sad and tired, he keeps dying and fighting to die again
he sometimes gets a bit less monotone though
when he speaks with some gods like chaos
valid steeple
I think it's refreshing, I'm sick of all the cheery, overblown protagonists.
Plus I find it oddly soothing.
It's like, if he were more active with his speech, it wouldn't make sense since most of the time he's just talking to himself.
But that's just me.
dawn tangle
the gods are specially well voiced i think
you can more or less make their personalities out of their voices
orchid zealot
oh absolutely, I love hearing the god voices
I think especially the big 3 were well done
tall fox
poseidon is best, so cheerful
sour dust
Poseodon rly just wants to be That One Cool Uncle while everyone else around him has beef with everyone else
orchid zealot
cept when you don't choose his boon in a double boon room
orchid zealot
I like bow, but only hera aspect
tall fox
hera is amazing and charon with fast attack hammer I love, base bow is meh for me
orchid zealot
tho I haven't tried charon
tall fox
I hated bow until I learned about dash attack
gloomy fulcrum
what's hera aspect?
tall fox
using your cast instead loads it into next attack
orchid zealot
and the cast goes out once the arrow hits or goes to max range
gloomy fulcrum
ooo
orchid zealot
tbh, around when you've unlocked all the mirror upgrades is when the game really starts
I feel like
that's when you start to clear more consistently and start to develop characters
dawn tangle
Knowing aspect of hera exists, but hera herself doesn't in the game makes me uneasy, dunno why
gloomy fulcrum
yeah, but that's what brought me to this game
the idea of a diablo-like mixed with a metroidvania, so to speak
you get upgrades over time to improve your character, and unlock other things, altho the boons you get during runs are temporary
orchid zealot
I've always been a big rouge-like fan
something about the concept is always really fun
gloomy fulcrum
I'm a very picky player but this sorta stuff always sounds like fun
dawn tangle
have you played dead cells and slay the spire?
gloomy fulcrum
but until recently I always played like 2 games, so I never really gave other games a chance
I dropped them, so now I got much more space for other games
serene obsidian
Roguelike and roguelite are probably my favorite genere of game.....this is definitely at the top of the heap
orchid zealot
I've tried dead cells but never felt the desire to buy it, but slay the spire is fun yeah
gloomy fulcrum
there's a lot of StS clones nowadays
they don't seem to really do anything interesting tho
they're literal clones
at least most of them are.
orchid zealot
when my computer was a trash laptop I played isaac nonstop
dawn tangle
it's quite simple to do a StS clone, so no surprise
gloomy fulcrum
there's even an unity asset that makes it for you for the most part
or at least makes a very easy to use base
serene obsidian
I still have some Rogues I wanna checkout my top three are probably Hades, Don't Starve, and it still in early access as well but Atomicrops
gloomy fulcrum
I remember when my computer was crap, I only got a decent once once I got a job
dawn tangle
StS does have a really good base and a charm to their universe
gloomy fulcrum
indeed. but if they're not well done, they're boring and a waste of time and money
(clones)
dawn tangle
they have no soul, like StS does
although i must say that part of the charm STS has is related to the modding comunity
gloomy fulcrum
indeed
I've seen people adding other games' characters to STS
that's really cool!
Frankiehats, how's Atomicrops?
I don't think I've heard of it
orchid zealot
my top 3 roguelikes are probably hades, isaac, and risk of rain 2
streets of rogue is a close fourth
serene obsidian
It's really fun......it's a roguelike not a roguelite so there isn't really any between game progression.....it looks like it's going to have a "scoreboard" style endgame I believe it's general release is later this month I saw it in the switch shop
gloomy fulcrum
sounds interesting
I really love the old castlevania games, particularly the DS-era ones
Dawn of Sorrow is really fun
tho they're metroidvanias, not really roguelikes
serene obsidian
sundered is a great Metroid style game that has some roguelite randomisation and soulslike character progression
gloomy fulcrum
I think I heard about that game, but I only know the name
dawn tangle
oh yeah, sundered
game was cool
but what sold me was the choice of corrupting or keeping your skills pure
also corrupted skills were dope and gave you awesome mobility
and bosses were quite epic
but honestly, the story was iffy
brisk trail
top rouge likes are prob spelunky, isaac, sts, cotnd and nt for me
spelunky specificially since its so satisfying to run
serene obsidian
@dawn tangle .....waaaaaahhhh? The story was the best application of the lovecraftian themes I've ever seen....every outcome is bad for the protagonist
dawn tangle
the end
also it was somewhat unclear what happened at some endings
although that's part of the lovecraftian theme i guess
story was void of anything else
you kinda get told about that civilization
it kinda tries to explain you what the voice is
and does to a point
but falls flat cause it's just like watching to a past you can no longer do anything with
serene obsidian
I thought all the endings were pretty clear.....but then again I'm a huge lovecraft fan so I might have just read more stuff into it
dawn tangle
there was one where she
is supposed to repeat the same story again?
the neutral one i think it was
she just pops out and the voice starts laughting like mad
full eldrich and pure are clearer in what happens
honestly, highest point is gameplay that's for sure
well, visuals too, they are amazing
love the animations where you obtain a power and corrupt it too
serene obsidian
The "middle" story I saw as she escaped.....but the crystal escaped with her.....that's why she looks so horrified because she's now freed this thing from it's prison
dawn tangle
wasn't the crystal already free at the beginning? they were both on the surface, and the crystal made a pact, and sundered her into the ruins
order one, i guess she ends up trapped in there forever
and the other, well, that's bad as hell
serene obsidian
@signal tangle in response to your feedback.....there is a little disconnect between theme and gameplay I agree .....but Artimis being about crits does make sense, as a critical hit does it's extra damage because it's a precise shot....and I assume support fire is her cast enhance because arrows
Ares on the other hand is about the chaos and blind rage of combat, doom makes even the lightest tap more deadly, and the blade rifts are just pure death launched into the fray
@dawn tangle from what I remember the crystal is trapped where you upgrade....it manages to pull her down but it can't do much else until she powers it up....
And yeah the pure ending is good for everyone else....not her though so she looses anyway you slice it
somber cape
Is it possible to beat Thanatos? He always seems to steal my kills. I always come just 1 under.
brisk trail
yeah you just need 2 be fast
sharp parcel
you either need to beat him or tie
alternatively, just run around and let him deal with the enemies
sharp parcel
ye
sour dust
Not in game timer tho
lavish locust
For than you can cheese by going for low health targets. Especially in region 3, let him kill the warriors and then go for the eyeball spirits.
Also, all the mobs will only attack you btw, so you can draw them away from his big AoE attacks.
Other than that it's just to KS him by killing the mobs faster than his sickle drop.
golden steppe
Came back to this game after a long break - I forgot how fun it was!
And so much has changed :)
somber cape
Thanks guys! I really like Than as a character; like our friendly competitions.
livid cargo
What's the god of death's favorite breakfast? Thanatoast!
gloomy fulcrum
oof
that's a good one tho π
does he make the toast disappear into dust like thanatos too?
oh wait, it's thanos, not thanatos
(didn't watch the movies, I got them confused π)
dawn tangle
it's probable that thanos's name is inspired on thanatos so np
orchid zealot
hopefully its not the other way around
sinful pine
fun fact: thanos is an actual greek name
manic bobcat
@sullen ocean Haha I'm glad you are enjoying it. Although you did ask in a Hades Discord, of course other people and I will recommend it 
. Good luck getting out of Hell!
sinful pine
albeit an abbreviation
i have a question
will the game show me if i can/how to fish at some point
do i have to beat some boss or anything
manic bobcat
Do you have the fishing rod?
solar trail
You got the rod?
manic bobcat
If so that's all you need. In the game, you will occasionally see a little light in liquid area, you can interact with it.
dawn tangle
you need to buy the rod in the house contractor for the prize of 1 diamond
solar trail
Id say its a ripoff
quaint bramble
Nah, it nets (or rather hooks) you so many resources as to be a bargain imo
clever halo
Can't perfect catches actually get you diamonds back?
quaint bramble
Considering what it must withstand on the average run and what you can catch with it, one diamond is a fair price for the most lucrative and durable fishing pole in existence
quaint bramble
No, I think only the fish in ||Chaos|| can give diamonds
sinful pine
i've made it up to theseus & mino and haven't gotten past them if that's anything to go by
quaint bramble
Yea he eventually will offer it. I donβt recall when but itβs a useful little asset.
sinful pine
huh
can i just chill in tartarus w charon mate and fish all day
or is there a limit to how much i can fish
dawn tangle
yep
quaint bramble
Next update is supposed to give Charon an update so that would be pretty sick. Basically thereβs a minimum number of rooms between where places to fish can spawn
dawn tangle
one fishing spot rarely on water
quaint bramble
Usually I see like 1-4 spots per run, 1-2 in the first biome, and then one in the two following ones (if Iβm lucky) and a (nearly) guaranteed one on the final floor.
manic bobcat
I for the love of my life sometimes see fishes in Asphodel and never in Elysium. I just don't know how to look, especially considering how large Asphodel and Elysium is.
Also Styx hub guarantee you have one right?
floral shore
Listen.
There is a very distinctive PING whenever there is a fishing spot, right after you clear the room.
dawn tangle
elysium being all white makes it extra hard to see the fishing spots
quaint bramble
The rooms in Asphodel and Elysium are often too large to hear the ping clearly because for some reason they coded 3D sound volume to it. It gets way quieter if it happens to spawn far away. Also they are nearly impossible to spot on those floors
smoky rune
Speaking of fishing, what is the timing for each type of catch?
quaint bramble
I donβt know the frames, just that there is a normal catch at any point when the bobber dunks under the water and a perfect catch when it first gets grabbed and produces a flash of white light that increases the chance of a better rarity fish
smoky rune
so the earlier my reaction, the better fish I may catch?
manic bobcat
Yeah
So there are 3 types of fishes: Legendary Rare Common
Perfect catch gives you a chance for either Legendary or Rare
Normal catch Rare or Common
quaint bramble
As far as I know, yes. Eventually I learned the timing for how long after a regular bob it would give me a perfect catch if dunked. Itβs hard to explain but once you feel it a few times you will either get it or hate it
manic bobcat
The percentages are weird. I don't even think the Wiki is correct in this matter.
smoky rune
yeah I don't really understand it yet
quaint bramble
I wold be surprised if fishing didnβt get a slight makeover or two in the next few updates or for 1.0.
smoky rune
they should just steal the fishing mechanics from Stardew Valley
narrow hemlock
the information on the wiki is usually pulled directly from the game files afaik
clever halo
I feel the PC is too hard to trigger, personally. And I can get perfect power shots on the Bow - with or without the explosive upgrade - about 90% of the time, even under pressure.
smoky rune
the mechanics just feel obscure
quaint bramble
Itβs hard for me to comment on, I feel like itβs balanced but enough people complain about it that I might be in the minority and it needs a fix.
smoky rune
I don't konw how to gauge my success and failure well enough based on what they're giving me
wind nest
I can confirm that the wiki information is accurate as it's easy to pull that stuff from the game fes.
quaint bramble
Hmm, I felt that early on as well. Youβre right, I mostly only learned how to perfect catch from people explaining it on here
wind nest
The perfect catch window is 20 ticks, or a third of a second.
clever halo
Also, I think we're drifting into spoiler territory for this channel, though I may be wrong.
manic bobcat
I definitely almosy always get a legendary fish in Tartarus
narrow hemlock
that information is still pulled from the script data I believe
manic bobcat
Almost never in Styx
narrow hemlock
I can't double check it myself atm bc I'm not at my pc
manic bobcat
I'm well aware this is personal anecdotes
wind nest
The drop rates are the same in every zone.
manic bobcat
But the numbers just seem too far off.
wind nest
My big problem with fishing is that it's far too rewarding.
dawn tangle
so.. you want it to be less rewarding?
wind nest
So I catch one legandary fish and get 150 gems? The equivalent of 15 gem room
clever halo
Burn the heretic!
wind nest
Its not nothing, it speeds you collection along a lot.
It's hard to get 150 gems in one run ow
clever halo
It's hard to catch a legendary fish too. :p
manic bobcat
Then my response is I don't want to play 10 runs just to buy a cosmetic skeleton burst.
wind nest
Yeah sure, maybe the prices are too high but that's a different issue
narrow hemlock
unless cosmetic prices get adjusted, hard disagree on fishing being too rewarding
wind nest
My point is that fishing is the fastest collection method for gems, but it should really be the base game as the best way.
floral shore
Does the game tell you if you've managed a perfect catch? I never really paid attention to that.
wind nest
Yeah
solar trail
Bro i once got a catch immediately when the bait went in, and i thought that it cant possibly be the catch signal, so i waited a minute
manic bobcat
That's how my first failed catch goes lol
quaint bramble
Yep. I sat there for like 2 minutes waiting for something to happen since the game doesnβt tell you what to look for and only plays the failed sound after you pull the bobber in too late
stray zinc
Hey so the mirror of night upgrades, dp you have to choose between the red and the green buffs?
or can you have both active at the same time given enough currency
manic bobcat
You have to choose one of them
For example you can choose to have either Death Defiance or Stubborn Defiance, but not both.
clever halo
Or you could have Dark Regeneration or a terrible skill. :p
serene obsidian
When did they make the aphodite shotgun cast shorter? I haven't used it in a long time and was very surprised
clever halo
Gun control advocates got to her.
manic bobcat
Meanwhile Trippy Shot goes BRRRR
serene obsidian
I need a new cast for Posidon blade for sure
Although I might just switch to Nemisis for a bit.... Achilles Spear is my new cast build fav
acoustic sand
it looks good
sinful star
Aspect of Achilles is very good, but I might caution you! Do not take the Hammer mod that makes your Special ricochet.
Either that or be very conscientious of when your spear lands in a good or bad spot relative to you.
acoustic sand
i'm doing a sword run but just before i did Achilles aspect, i nearly died against the final thing
i got stressed cause my special wasn't very useful and my dash was triggering deadly traps everywhere
but i had too much HP fortunately
manic bobcat
Aspect of Achilles is very good, but I might caution you! Do not take the Hammer mod that makes your Special ricochet.
I didn't ask for personal attack on my first Achilles run.
sinful star
It is a personal attack on two of my first Achilles runs too.
sharp parcel
I wish they had other posters of other gods
clever halo
Artemis my gurrrrrrrrl.
sharp parcel
gimme Nyx wall scroll 
manic bobcat
I wonder
Who does the Routine Inspection
It involves the Mirror so must be Nyx
How would Nyx feel if you have a poster of her in your bedroom?
sharp parcel
it is most likely performed by Hades' shades
cause the list of punishment is his idea
high island
@alpine yacht there is important Lady-Aphrodite-related feedback from me I need you to upvote. It's one more step towards our divine quest of renaming Hades into Lady Aphrodite and Her Little Godling. β€οΈπππππππ
clever halo
I did my part.
wraith skiff
hello everyone
manic bobcat
Hola
serene obsidian
@sinful star the ricochet isn't bad you just have to remember to look before you leap... literally
It's not like taking the "get damaged in your special" hammer upgrade with Eris Rail
sage marten
Time to downvote the title feedback
sinful star
Fair...
high island
You're evil people.
terse geyser
Honestly though, I wouldn't mind having more Aphrodite wallscrolls.
It's like the rugs. Is life really worth living if you only have one?
high island
Thank you for your service!
dawn tangle
... is artemis hitting on zag or i'm imagining things?
alpine yacht
Oh she totally has a crush on him
patent topaz
eh you think so? Mind you i just started the game but? ||Didn't she have a gf? Ex gf?||
sinful star
||She's ace, so it's more of a squish than a crush, I believe.||
low fiber
Gods are not bound by our societal rules
alpine yacht
We're gods and godlings, we're all polyamores except papa
dawn tangle
yep, i had seen something, but it felt painfuly obvious when i got the artemis/aprodite dual dialogue
alpine yacht
we the new kid on block errbody loves us
upbeat swift
Hi there 
. Is there any chance that Hades will get an update wich will allow to alt tab freely without pausing the game? 
upbeat swift
or skip the cutscenes
upbeat swift
i do, thats why i'm asking 
alpine yacht
what cutscenes do you speak of?
upbeat swift
maybe i gave wrong definition
low fiber
are we talking about those 5-10 sec cutscenes when you enter tartarus every now and then where zag has ptsd of hades scolding him about chores?
upbeat swift
yes
alpine yacht
all good, just post 'please allow us to skip repetitive scenes' or something on the feedback channel
i'd upvote that
low fiber
people are just trying to help point you in the right direction
alpine yacht
quite sure i suggested that myself
upbeat swift
i cant π€
manic bobcat
You need to join Early Access role in #bot-commands
upbeat swift
ty
manic bobcat
Yeah np
upbeat swift
oh
low fiber
i mean, you can always try again
alpine yacht
keep posting its fine π
low fiber
it got pretty split votes
flat vapor
i'd upvote if it were only scenes that you've seen before
flat vapor
i think that feedback was one where they wanted to skip scenes no matter what
upbeat swift
so there is no reason to post it if people are against
low fiber
i would think that the devs take some nuanced decisions
low fiber
i think if they notice that people are giving repeated feedback on the same thing, that there's something worth thinking about
flat vapor
the game was different back in february, and the people in this server are different than in february
upbeat swift
mb if there were some checkbox in settings menu like "do not show cutscenes"
would be good 
flat vapor
i think the hades scenes at the beginning of the run, and the ending screens, could use a skip button, purely because i've basically seen all of them at this point
low fiber
sometimes the better feedback is just so and so makes me feel this way and I do/do not like it
more people can probably get around a sentiment, rather than tying it with a specific suggestion that may not be agreeable to everyone
but what do i know, i'm not a developer
velvet field
Haha yeah, but it take time since english isn't my native language
upbeat swift
Same 
velvet field
Hi all, i would like to share my bit of feedback about the game for now, at least about a few points where i had trouble :
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When fishing, Zag will launch the bait from where it stand at the moment we interact, and it can happen that he will hide the bait with his body, making it hard to catch the fish. I tend to be careful where i stand now but it not feeling good especially when i'm in a rush.
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I love the Adamant Rail, it's overall my favorite weapon, especially when i manage to get some pretty overpowered combo with his special, but i'm a bit disapointed that none of his aspect for now are aimed to improve/modify how the special works (the absorb thing is cool, but when i'm playing with it, i end up using special only to trigger more damage on normal attack) in comparison with others Infernal Arms that tend to all have at least an aspect that modify a lot the special move.
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Last point is more about Ares Doom boons. I found those to be especially underwhelming compared to the rest. I feel like i can split most of the offensives boons in two category, the one that give more damage in % of base damage (most of them), and those who give flat damage one way or another (Zeus Bolts, Dionysos DoT, the Arrow that launch when you attack from Artemis). And so, i tend to use the first ones on high damage move (AR special, Bow main attack, etc) and the others on fast ones (AR main att, Bow special, Fist main Att, etc). But since the Doom is flat damage but can't be naturally stacked, it fit in neither case, giving a early boost in damage if you get it early, but become irrelevant as i got in later chambers.
For the last point, i know that you can change how Doom works with others Ares boon or the Duo with Aphro, but that's why i specified "naturally", since by default you can only apply one stack of doom on a foe every second.
Currently, i'm only using those boons if i found them early on to put them on large AoE (like the Stygius Special) so i can get some better clear on the early chambers, and discard it for gold at the first blood fountain i can find.
quaint wind
this would do better in #hades-feedback . the pins in the channel tell you how to get permissible to post
velvet field
My bad
deep pivot
Be sure to divide each piece of feedback into different messages as well.
velvet field
I'm gonna post it back there, let me just some time to copy paste it in the other channel before maybe deleting it here pls
quaint wind
it's alright, no worries
sharp trench
Is Doom really that bad? Like, is Ares attack literally worse than Aphrodite attack or Demeter attack? I don't see the latter ones give that much a damage boost :/
sharp trench
TBH at this point I don't think any major changes to the design of any boons is possible
dawn tangle
doom is good early
bad late
cause flat damage takes ages to activate and you need to stop dealing damage for it to activate
sharp trench
What do you mean by you have to stop
manic bobcat
Yeah. The saving grace for doom is Merciful End exists
flat vapor
it's just on a timer
sharp trench
Iβve had Ares on attack and I think it just triggers
dawn tangle
i haven't seen it proc until i stop attacking
sharp trench
Maybe because it proced and you instantly re appied it?
terse geyser
I've never had doom not activate because I'm dealing damage
it just happens anyways
sinful star
...Yeah, Doom always activates. You don't have to stop attacking.
At least, as far as I've noticed.
sharp trench
A lot of damages are flat, such as Hangover
velvet field
Yeah
sinful star
I mean, if the devs can clear this up, that'd be helpful.
manic bobcat
Technically every damage is flat
sharp trench
Iβd rather put it as you HAVE to stack hangover
velvet field
How is that @manic bobcat ?
sinful star
Doom can give lots of damage, though. Like, 200+ just from one hit.
high island
Doom is great damage on a single hit, but it won't do anything for any additional hits until it procs and you can apply it again.
manic bobcat
Your attacks don't scale with how many chambers you clear
sharp trench
Exactly
sinful star
So, like, with the bow's normal attack or the default bow's Special, that can actually be quite a blow.
manic bobcat
Even with things like Deadly Strike
Your damage stays the same
Except for boon upgrades or poms
velvet field
Yeah but how a +x% damage is flat ?
sharp trench
Hangover only stacks to 5 for 3 seconds which is not a long time unless duoβed with Aphrodite
manic bobcat
Ok we have different definition of flat
By flat I mean it doesn't increase overtime
velvet field
Ohhh, okay, clearly not the same def ^^ I
I consider flat damage those that are directly +x damage, and scaling those that are +x% damage
distant flume
@velvet field that's what flat damage usually means yeah
velvet field
That's why i don't get the doom debuff, considering it's flat, you can't upgrade it's damage except by leveling it or through other ares boons (or duo), but since you can't apply it multiple time in a short delay, i find it not that good on fast attacking weapons
high island
I've never seen "flat damage" used any other way in all the years I've played RPGs.
velvet field
but scaling damage is a lot better on high damage move
sharp trench
The reason why percentages matter (for example in moba) is because your base damage scales over time in these games, while it does not in Hades
upbeat swift
Are the +dmg boosts mulptiplicative?
manic bobcat
Percentages matter if you base damage increases overtime
Such is not the case in Hades
So every damage is "flat."
Fl4k I think it's additive
But I might be very wrong.
velvet field
Yeah that's a fair point
upbeat swift
And why not all dmg boosts works on cast?
velvet field
But still you'll have to care about your current weapon and moveset to either use a flat or a % based boon (considering that's some are dealing pretty much no base damage so % upgrade are trash tier on those move, where some hit hard but slow so flat added can be meh too)
(sorry i keep using flat for +x damage but i don't know how to diff them other way)
high island
It's not a good point. +% boons will affect different attacks (e.g., regular shot, power shot, dash shot) differently. Boons with flat damage will always add the same damage.
velvet field
Exactly what i meant
sharp trench
Yeah so it really comes down to numbers
If for example the devs double Ares doom damage then this would guaranteed be a good damage despite being flat
velvet field
+120% on a 10 base damage attack or a 100 base damage attack is clearly not the same in term on how much more damage you're gonna deal. Where a Doom that deal 100 damage every second (considering you keep the uptime), no matter the move, it stay the same
high island
Exactly.
velvet field
I would love a way to stack doom somewhat, without needing the other boon
sharp trench
That stacking is trash anyways π¦
high island
Doom is really strong on Chaos Aspect and generally can be strong if you get Merciful End and Divine Dash.
paper coral
That instant procs doom right?
high island
But it's nowhere near as versatile as crit or weak etc.
velvet field
Yeah i'm not really talking about how it works now in term of number (since i already found Doom underwhelming in general), but more about the gameplay around. In comparison i really like the dyonisos dot that you can stack
high island
Yeah.
sharp trench
Can someone illustrate the point of weak? It doesnβt give you extra damage unless with that specific boon isnβt it
gaunt dome
It functions as a form of damage resistance
sharp trench
If you donβt get hit you donβt benefit from weak though
velvet field
Yeah if you can glasscanon your way through the game go ahead
high island
30% damage reduction. Heartbreak Anything also has the best +% damage of any boons.
sharp trench
I mean arenβt we talking about maximizing the damage output:/
gaunt dome
There's also a tier 2 that can make them take more damage
sharp trench
Yeah thatβs what I mean by the specific boon
quaint bramble
Aphrodite has the best dmg percentage additions in the game and her later boon effects are super versatile, even if weak itself doesnβt do initially do direct damage
sharp trench
Ok that makes sense
high island
At 200 HP, applying Weak is like getting an extra 85 HP.
If I could clear the game on 32 heat without taking damage, I'll maybe stop seeing the appeal of 30% damage reduction . ..
velvet field
Damage reduction can get pretty stupid too in this game, i did a run with 25% dodge from hermes, upgraded weak (time + effect), + damage reduction under 40% life from dio (or poseidon i don't remember) and stuff like that
velvet field
This defense run was more because i was curious about it
but when you can almost facetank [redacted] it get pretty stupid
high island
Why almost, I literally do that sometimes lol.
paper coral
I mean that's still predicated on playing smart
manic bobcat
I face tank the final boss most of the time since TD makes me do it.
velvet field
TD ?
manic bobcat
Tight Deadline
velvet field
Oh right
high island
Tight Deadline.
Ah.
I just realized this isn't #h1-builds-and-combat
Please censor or delete any mention of [redacted]. No spoilers allowed in this channel.
manic bobcat
You are right. Whoops.
high island
@velvet field same for you.
high island
I'll ping a mod to get you 
.
velvet field
π’
patent topaz
GUYS I DID IT I BEAT MEAGERA WOOHOOH
manic bobcat
Nice!
patent topaz
now i'm gonna die anyway i have 4/75 and no DD ahahah...ahah...ah... cries
manic bobcat
Don't treat her too hashly. She is nice
You heal after boss fights
At the fountain
manic bobcat
At least I think. It might be an upgrade from the contractor...
patent topaz
do y'all want an asphodel desktop?
clever halo
I have rotating Order of the Stick wallpapers. I'm good.
Man, this game has some unrealistic beauty standards. All the characters have the bodies of Greek gods. π¦
manic bobcat
Yeah for real. How can one possibly attain Dusa's body standard?
clever halo
I mean I've got hair that long but damn, I can't get it to look that good.
patent topaz
what i love about her design is that,, she's just a head
Literally just a head. She's a head.
She doesn't even have a sign of where a neck should once have been, she's literally just a head and it's aso funny i don't know why
clever halo
...Hm. Actually, mine might be longer. She doesn't have any shoulders for me to compare with though.
patent topaz
are your hair magic snakes that also work as arms tho >v>
patent topaz
oooh