h1-discussion

[manic bobcat]

Thank

S

[winter river]

I usually use authority and I have 4 plus whatever I get from keys

[brisk trail]

are heroic boons always exchanges?

[quaint bramble]

No, but they don’t appear normally. You have to get other options in game that make boons heroic.

One is a god exchanging an epic boon for a heroic one

[brisk trail]

I see thx

[split oyster]

hey i selected the poseidon power up and uanble to select any of the boons

is this a known bug

[acoustic sand]

idk :/ search for it in the server search bar maybe ?

you can report the bug, idk about known bugs

[patent topaz]

guys
i'm THIS close at beating Megaera
no one told me it would come so soon

[acoustic sand]

you'll do it !

they're gonna be pissed

[manic bobcat]

@brisk trail a bit late to the party but I think when you exchange boons, the new one will come with one rarity higher.

[brisk trail]

okay thanks

[boreal fiber]

deep pockets or golden touch?

[brisk trail]

Deep Pockets

[boreal fiber]

also do I understand correctly that golden touch wont do anything until I atleast beat meg?

[brisk trail]

Yes

[wind nest]

Yep. Basically 100 gold in tartatrus = 45 gold in styx.

100 gold in asphodel = 30 gold in styx.

At the cost of never spending gold along the way. It's not an awful way to play but like, you're giving up about 3 buys per run. And a shop buy is basically an extra item for a room.

[clever halo]

I think Eurydice can also make boons Heroic?

[orchid zealot]

I use it to consistently buy the diamond in styx, but on average you get more money with golden touch

also yeah she can

[clever halo]

Not sure about Demeter's boon that resets them to common, but I've never gotten it sooner than late Asphodel.

[quaint bramble]

||Euridice, if used on an Epic boon, and Demeter’s Rare Crop both|| upgrade boons to heroic.

[clever halo]

And you can spend a little gold with GT and not wreck yourself. 20 gold Darkness (if you have Dark Regeneration) and 30 gold heals/hydralites.

Especially if you get a gold boon from Chaos.

(Having Dark Regeneration is also good for GT since it ups the number of ways you can heal without paying gold.)

[orchid zealot]

you could even not save for the tartarus gold and it'll still average out better

[wind nest]

Yeah the thing is that gold is worthless at the end of the run. 150 gold left over could have been a boon earlier in the run

[clever halo]

I take GT often, take whatever two gods I want the first two zones and grab the money pouch for Elysium.

[wind nest]

Golden touch is good if you take the pact that makes things cost more.

[orchid zealot]

but you won't really have any leftover with all the stuff you can buy in styx

[clever halo]

Charon consistently sells a minimum 2,000 gold worth of goods at the end. :p

[wind nest]

You're gonna be hard pressed for buys then anyways.

[clever halo]

I've used GT to buy out his entire shop.

(If the diamond shows. Not the Titan's Blood, sadly.)

I bet if I went to more gold rooms early I could manage, or Chaos boons.

I've never earned more gold with Deep Pockets than I have with Golden Touch - but I only started using GT after I had wins under my belt.

So.

[orchid zealot]

tbh, you could go an entire run without buying anything and still cash out completely in styx

[clever halo]

About the only time I regret GT is if a hammer shows in the shop right before the Furies. And even then it will probably pop up in Asphodel.

But I still feel bad about not getting it ASAP.

[orchid zealot]

yeah you gotta resist the temptation to ever buy the hammer lol

almost never worth it since more often than not it'll end up being free later

[sage marten]

has supergiant uploaded the entire OST into their channel? they even have ||the hymn of zagreus||

[clever halo]

Best. Song. EVER.

[limpid crown]

Just bought Hades. I'm about to lose my social life! SO HAPPY

[sage marten]

wooooo

i mean it's not like we can't have one with the whole lockdown business anyway

[sinful star]

"...they say as they post on a chat service that can connect people from multiple continents."

[limpid crown]

Greece can but hades > life

[mental sleet]

Blood and darkness Zeus just made a "ur mum" joke

[minor stone]

I forgot what I came here to ask lol

[warm dirge]

After escaping using the shield, my second escape ever, on a run that had earlier on Elysium devolved on "let's at least try to get the coin for big prize" and that I by no means felt like it was escape worthy, I get why people have been talking about the shield as somewhat OP

[sinful star]

It is strong, but honestly that strength can make problems for you.

[minor stone]

Zagreus is OP

[sinful star]

The shield doesn't make you invulnerable, and if you overestimate that power, you will find out, possibly in spectacular fashion.

[minor stone]

This game is incredible

[manic bobcat]

Do you remember what you wanted answered?

[minor stone]

I cannot remember sadly

I was reading the Wiki and learning about Status, Duo Boons, and so on. By the time I downloaded Discord on this laptop, I had already forgotten my question.

[manic bobcat]

Haha happens to the best of us!

[minor stone]

Haha true!

New question: When the Duo Boon for Zeus + Artemis (Lightning Rod) says it is only for collectible Bloodstones, does that mean it won't appear as a Boon option if you are using the Mirror ability called Stygian Soul?

[sage marten]

i never tried it but i assume it won't aye

[minor stone]

Those Bloodstones do not drop when Stygian Soul is active, therefore there would never be a case where the Lightning Rod boon is useful.

[sinful star]

Yeah, I don't think it appears, sadly.

Odd, since Hermes has a second legendary that can show up if you're using Stygian Soul.

[brisk trail]

Lightning Rod will not spawn with Stygian Soul.

it's a uniform buff for Zeus and Artemis

[minor stone]

Which boon are you referring to Syd? The Hermes example

I'm still relatively new (< 20 hours into the game)

[brisk trail]

Bad News.

You'll see it when you see it.

Can't miss it.

[sage marten]

hermes has two buffs that only appear whether you have one or the other bloodstone talent

[sinful star]

IF you're using Stygian Soul, instead of your bloodstones automatically returning to you, instead he gets a legendary that deals extra damage to undamaged enemies and enemies without any bloodstones embedded in them.

[sage marten]

so his boons fit both playstyles

[minor stone]

Greater Recall

I see

[brisk trail]

That's the Infernal Soul boon.

[minor stone]

That's cool

I wonder is Lightning Rod will have a future alternative for Stygian Soul

[sinful star]

That would be cool.

[minor stone]

Trio Boons would also be on my list of wishes

[sinful star]

That one might be tricky.

[minor stone]

True

Definitely less feasible than the alternative Duo boon idea for Lightning Rod + Stygian Soul

[brisk trail]

Artemis and Zeus used to have a Duo called Freak Accident, that summoned a lightning bolt whenever you landed a crit.

It was removed while Artemis's crit effects were rebalanced but it never came back.

[minor stone]

Hmm maybe that can come back for the Stygian Soul alternative

[brisk trail]

I would love that.

[minor stone]

How do we submit the idea to the development team?

[brisk trail]

Gonna make a lot of Infernal Soul players salty, though.

They read everything posted in here, Spoilers, Gameplay, and Feedback.

[minor stone]

I got the sense that Stygian Soul vs Infernal Soul was more based on the weapon you use

Rather than one being objectively better than the other in all cases

I could be wrong

I'm newer so maybe I just like that the Stygian Soul is often easier for me to manage

[brisk trail]

Nah, I've been playing for over a year and as soon as SS came out I switched to it and haven't looked back.

Only on two specific weapon Aspects would I use Infernal Soul instead of Stygian.

[minor stone]

Namely?

[brisk trail]

Poseidon and Hera.

[minor stone]

Hera is the bow?

[sage marten]

aye
you can load casts into it

[minor stone]

That was the one that made me sad. I kept flinging long range powershots and losing my Bloodstones

Also when I pumped three casts into it, then I felt sad due to not having more casts

When a boss absorbed them

[brisk trail]

Usually if you load every Cast you have into it, you'll one-shot whatever is hit by it and then immediately get them back.

That's what Hera's level talent is for, at max level they drop in 5 seconds as opposed to vanilla 15.

[minor stone]

Hmm

I will adapt to that

[brisk trail]

Mind you, with Trippy Shot it works the exact same at 1 as it does 5 and it's the best Cast for Hera anyway.

[minor stone]

What do you mean?

The duration of the fog matches the duration of the shortened cast getting stuck in an enemy?

[flat vapor]

no, dio's cast can't get stuck in enemies

[minor stone]

o.0

[brisk trail]

Because Trippy Shot (also Slicing Shot and Crystal Beam, but don't use Crystal Beam on Hera) do not lodge.

[flat vapor]

so the countdown doesn't have an effect

[clever halo]

Well, if you five-load an arrow, it's gonna one-shot a non-boss anyhow, unless maybe with Damage Control.

[minor stone]

Five load?

I only have three

Do you mean with a boon that let's you load more?

[clever halo]

Welcome to the joy of Chaos Boons.

[minor stone]

Hehe

Chaos boons are fun

[clever halo]

And/or Fully Loaded.

[flat vapor]

there are ways to temporarily increase your casts

[minor stone]

I don't know what Fully Loaded is

[flat vapor]

rip fully loaded 😔

[clever halo]

Artemis legendary.

[flat vapor]

it's artemis's legendary, +3 casts

[minor stone]

Sounds epic

[clever halo]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/File:Artemis_boon_tree.png

[brisk trail]

No no, Legendary, Epic is a scaling rarity.

[clever halo]

It has some requirements though.

[flat vapor]

the requirements got really strict this update, unfortunately

[minor stone]

I didn't know there was a tree

[brisk trail]

Once I picked up Hunting Blades and I had Exit Wounds (pre-Slicing Shot) and Dual Shot, but Fully Loaded never showed up.

[minor stone]

Duo boon research is the first time I even realized that you needed specific boons to unlock Duo boons

[clever halo]

I honestly think just making Fully Loaded tier 4 instead of specifically requiring Exit Wounds would be enough.

[minor stone]

Fully Loaded sounds insanely powerful

[clever halo]

It's very good on a very specific build, but gets exponentially more powerful the sooner you get it.

[flat vapor]

it's amazing on them, but before it was way too easy to get it

[minor stone]

Team, how do we submit the Duo boon alternative idea that we had for Lightning Rod + Stygian Soul

[mental sleet]

ah

[flat vapor]

so this update they made it harder to get

[mental sleet]

that one time I used Hera bow with fully loaded, Chaos extra cast and legendary Crush shot

I had like

7 cast

so basically one shotted everything

[clever halo]

I'm actually going to #hades-feedback the tier 4 suggestion.

[brisk trail]

How do you mean, tier 4?

[minor stone]

What is the name of the Poseidon weapon that you said you'd also use the Eternal Souls on?

[brisk trail]

Aspect of Poseidon.

[minor stone]

I am having trouble looking it up

[flat vapor]

it's specifically a sword aspect

[brisk trail]

You don't actually want to use Poseidon on it, Artemis is best.

Well, might be able to make Flood Shot work.

[minor stone]

I will look up the Sword

[flat vapor]

poseidon is the only aspect i use if i want a laser build

[minor stone]

Hmm it is weird

I want to dislodge casts so that I can use them again

But I also want one to be stuck in the boss so it has less damage and speed

o.0

[clever halo]

Meaning it requires any 3 Artemis boons first, not specifically Exit Wounds. So it would need something that qualifies for Dual Shot + Dual Shot + one other (but not necessarily Exit Wounds.)

[minor stone]

I don't have permission to submit the idea to the #hades-feedback channel

[flat vapor]

harb, the thing is the damage boost to casts

[clever halo]

You have to ?rank Early Access in #bot-commands first.

[flat vapor]

it allows pretty constant casting with higher damage

read the pins in feedback first before posting

[clever halo]

I clarified the feedback post.

[minor stone]

Alright team. Let's assemble the piece of feedback.

Stygian Soul is not compatible with the Lightning Rod duo boom (Zeus + Artemis). If Stygian Soul is active, then make Freak Accident the available duo boon for the player.

1. There are already other instances in the game (such as Hermes) where a Legendary boon accounts for Stygian Soul.
2. It would be cool to have the additional duo boon for Zeus + Artemis since Freak Accident has already been implemented in the past. This should lead to a shorter development cycle in terms of re-implementing it in the manner described by this piece of feedback.

Should I submit that to the feedback channel? Shorten it perhaps?

[clever halo]

It does specify being concise.

[minor stone]

I think I was concise then.

I'll post it

The deed is done. Thank you team for making this possible

[hexed bluff]

man, what a killer soundtrack, love it all. The main theme is so heavy. Darren doing a great job as usual

[distant flume]

hey I just got the cerberus luxurious bed for the hall. But there's a quilted bed as well. If i pay for that will it overwrite or what will happen?

[brisk trail]

You get both options to pick at your leisure.

But only one is up at a time.

[distant flume]

So if i pay for the other one it won't ask me to pay again for the previous one right?

[brisk trail]

Nope, you'll get a "Switch to this bed" option.

[distant flume]

thanx

[minor stone]

I love the sounds in this game

[brisk trail]

Darren is a mad genius.

[acoustic sand]

I love the sounds too

[quaint wind]

it's always so exciting to see what darren comes up with for the games

[acoustic sand]

aaaaannnd i failed my Guan Yu run @deep pivot 😢

but i went as far as Styx

[deep pivot]

Well, that's not bad for your 1st try! Keep it up

[acoustic sand]

yea i'm doing a sword run now

desperately trying to meet Aphrodite to give her a nectar bottle

not seeing her at all

at least i finally gave Nyx a present after we bonded on how Hypnos is not the brightest son she has

i think i just have one more present to give and i'll be officially named nectar provider for the whole underworld

[clever halo]

But does your milkshake bring all the shades to the yard?

[acoustic sand]

not yet, i lack the primordial milkshake weapon

the first milkshake ever that emerged from the lifeless Void

heralding a new era of culinary delights

ohoho @deep pivot i see you maybe enjoyed Paradox publisher sale

my gAmEr friends pretty much all bought some stuff, dk if i should

[deep pivot]

I’ve owned this game for years now actually 😅

[acoustic sand]

oh, my bad lmao

[deep pivot]

One of my faves in fact

[acoustic sand]

oh really ? i dk age of wonders, i played mostly EU4 in Paradox library

one of my fav games for sure

Age of Wonders, is it Civ like ?

[deep pivot]

Mind if we move to #off-topic-discussion ? 🙂

[acoustic sand]

oh yea sure x)

[vocal pier]

Hi Guys, recently downloaded Hades and I must admit Im loving it!

[acoustic sand]

welcome to the party haha

[vocal pier]

hahaha thanks

Actually first time downloading an early access, been a console game most of my life, just getting into my PC gaming recently

[acoustic sand]

every platform feels a little different, i love consoles, but i managed to enjoy playing some games on PC. Actually, i had my best gaming experiences on console then on PC and some games i played on both x)

[split oyster]

does anyoen know what engine Hades is built on?

Unreal or unity?

[brisk trail]

I would guess Unreal due to it starting on the Epic Store and all

I could be wrong

[rotund finch]

As far as I know SGG has their own engine that they've used for all their games and they just update it as needed

[mental sleet]

SGG has their own in house engine

they developed it from Microsoft XNA

[jolly lodge]

it's really impressive

[novel wasp]

Lightning Rod should be shocking enemies that is being embed rather than leave it alone

as if zeus isnt already borderline crap

[rotund finch]

For real, especially with how different all their games are, and that it's all Sprite based still not 3d

[mental sleet]

Zeus + Zeus shield is decent

[rotund finch]

Zeus's aid is also super good I feel

[novel wasp]

yeah well

I like having social distance against my enemy

zeus aid does that exactly opposite in order for that to be used

also zeus damage does not scale very well

[mental sleet]

exactly

Zeus shield gives you as much social distance as you need

well to be fair they bounce between enemies so

[sharp parcel]

are you saying that the shield special spreads the disease?

[narrow hemlock]

scrolls back, I will personally fight the implication that hypnos is unintelligent

[brisk trail]

Zeus damage scales great.

[sharp parcel]

being immortal, I'm sure he has plenty of time to wise up

[brisk trail]

Every Aid except Aphrodite, Artemis, and Athena require you to be near your enemy, at that.

Unless you want to waste the slot on Ares/Poseidon for defense and run away when you could have just taken Athena.

[mental sleet]

Talos malphon is fun

especially when paired with Poseidon

[narrow hemlock]

@sharp parcel never mind the fact that's not at all what the dialogue with nyx is referring to 🤧

[brisk trail]

I should eventually try meet and yeet.

[sharp parcel]

@narrow hemlock she calls him childish

[narrow hemlock]

that doesn't inherently equate to being less bright

[sharp parcel]

that's not what "wise up" means

[brisk trail]

Yeah, childish =/= unintelligent.

[narrow hemlock]

what on earth is meet and yeet

[brisk trail]

Talos grabs enemies, Tempest Flourish knocks them back.

[narrow hemlock]

oh

[sharp parcel]

we're basically agreeing

[brisk trail]

I guess it's not strictly inferior to Heartbreak or Deadly Flourish since you get safety as well as potential slam damage.

[narrow hemlock]

@sharp parcel was referring to someone earlier saying hypnos was "not the brightest son"

[sharp parcel]

that's just factually wrong of em

considering that he supplies you with info on every enemy's weaknesses

[brisk trail]

Hypnos strikes me as exactly as intelligent as Thanatos but type B to Than's A.

[sharp parcel]

he's a god of sleep, being sort of out is his entire schtick

[brisk trail]

He is also the biggest troll in the House.

[narrow hemlock]

how interesting a god sometimes referred to in myth as a conqueror of gods is taken so lightly in hades and dismissed as the comic relief guy

[brisk trail]

||"Oh, wow, Lord Hades, I didn't think Zagreus was going to be able to beat you! Have you dodging those giant spinning death blades he seems fond of recently?"||

Poseidon?

I'm kidding, I know Hypnos is powerful.

||He's responsible for people in the House even being able to sleep, right?||

[narrow hemlock]

hypnos can put anything to sleep if he wills it, really

I'm hoping whatever narrative arc he gets will be good and not just more haha funny quips

[sharp parcel]

Hypnos always hid behind his mother after pulling one of his stunts

[brisk trail]

I don't need Hypnos to be at the center of a major arc like Nyx or Sisyphus or Thanatos are, but I'd like to see some more from him, too.

[sharp parcel]

his powers are not everlasting, and when the gods awaken, ho boy

[narrow hemlock]

if my mother was feared by even the almighty zeus of olympus, I would hide behind her too

I think the general consensus of anyone that likes hypnos is that they'd like to see more from him than what he currently offers (which really is little more than amusing death quips), mr greg pls surprise us 🥺

[ancient plank]

Anyone got tips on the 3rd floor boss?

I seem to have the hardest time with them of all the bosses

[tall fox]

focus the one with horns

[ancient plank]

I usually go for him first

[brisk trail]

never stop moving

[tall fox]

and pay attention to the reticule above him, just dodge before its thrown.

*you

[ancient plank]

I think my main issue is getting too greedy when fighting the minotaur

[manic bobcat]

Get behind the cow

Like dash behind him

His swing radius is in front

His final leap can be dogde by dashing right past him

[fallen violet]

Its 4:40

I just played a game for 16 hours

There are 24 hours in a day

HELP ME

[sour dust]

It's ok

That is normal

[distant flume]

does jury summons affect infernal troves?

[sage marten]

Don’t think it does

[ornate oak]

That feeling when you have a run with Chaos Shield, keep all of the Death Defiances while getting like 4 in Elysium and Styx in Wells, and then have the Malforn dodge run which goes perfectly, but you lose because in no well in all of the rooms have you found the damn Kiss of Styx.

[obsidian pulsar]

So, occasionally when I finish an internal trove fight I get the advertised reward but then a random nectar appears and I'm not sure why. Anybody know what causes that?

[acoustic sand]

rip semman

[sage marten]

That is
Pretty weird
Maybe it’s a hidden mechanic that rewards you if you do well?

Or a bug

[obsidian pulsar]

It's happened a few times and there's no dialogue for it or any explanation. And I don't think I get the normal random +1 boon level. I'll bugrep it next time it happens.

[ornate oak]

IIRC, there is always a chance of getting a nectar from the Troves in addition to the advertised rewards.

[dawn talon]

Definitely also happened to me a few times. It is a bit weird since it indeed doesn't give you boon levels. No indicator for it and it's not dependant on time (lost over half my reward one time and still got it)

[sage marten]

Maybe that’s why hades doesn’t like you opening the troves
You’re raiding his hidden booze stash

[dawn talon]

Knew it. Hades is secretly big D

[sage marten]

It all makes sense
The prank was halfway right, they just got the wrong Chthonic god

[upper meteor]

Artemis is totally crushing on Achilles

It's cute

[sage marten]

Less crushing and more fangirling imo but yeah

[obsidian pulsar]

I love how they made her so socially awkward because she spends most of her time out in the wilderness. Obviously Callisto and the nymphs don't seem to have helped

[acoustic sand]

Artemis is a great gal

[upper meteor]

I also like her because she's a bit different from the other gods

Plus... as far as I've seen she's the only one who suspects that Zag is fighting to escape for a different reason

like not just to make it to olympus

So she's a bit smarter than the others

[acoustic sand]

that may be, or she feels closer to Zag for some reason

the other gods are probably less interested

[upper meteor]

Nono, I mean she totally does

The other gods comment on how she's rather taken with you

[acoustic sand]

lmao i have missed that

[upper meteor]

But what I'm referring to is a bit where she comments on how desperately you're fighting and asks what it is you're really after

It's intoned a bit suspiciously

[acoustic sand]

btw, i got a dialogue with|| Orpheus mentioning Apollo|| so now i know even the Olympians we don't see are still in Hades universe (i was told Hephaistos is mentioned too)

haha, i love the voice acting

[obsidian pulsar]

I absolutely love Dionysus' voice acting

[lavish locust]

same

[obsidian pulsar]

he's such a perfectly insincere schmoozer

if he was a real person I'd avoid him like the plague, although to be fair that goes for most of the gods

[lavish locust]

laid back come have fun, 'yes im helping' kind lol

exactly, if he were a real person he'd be Trouble

but as a character/god he's hilarious

[obsidian pulsar]

yeah, he'd be in sales or marketing and driving around in a sports car he couldn't afford the payments for

[lavish locust]

it's great, he's my fave out of the bunch of Olympians

that or he's second gen rich party kid with the wild instagram parties

[obsidian pulsar]

yeah, that would fit too

also drunken strike is so good

because it never stops scaling - you always get at least +1 damage per 0.5

[lavish locust]

wouldn't say he's insincere but he's generally is no deeper than a puddle

[obsidian pulsar]

I almost always gun for drunken strike on anything with fast attacks like fists or rail

[lavish locust]

yes yes yes that too

fast weapons are a dead pair for hangover or chill

cause them Stacks

[obsidian pulsar]

i think i need to use demeter more, I'm not sure i've come to appreciate chill enough as a debuff

[lavish locust]

i'd put druken flourish on chiron aspect bow tho

[obsidian pulsar]

I like to pick up Ravenous Will where I can, though, if I'm using the non-regenerating casts

does each hit from chiron stack hangover?

I like to use artemis for dem crits

[lavish locust]

good question, i did not notice cause i was stacking about 4 other statuses the last time i did it lol

oh yes

[obsidian pulsar]

i love aspect of chiron but I haven't paid enough attention to how the special works with debuffs

[lavish locust]

one of my fave builds is dio/zeus/aphr/art

i always go for pressure points first

[obsidian pulsar]

Is aspect of Hera good? I've unlocked it but not got around to levelling it up yet so haven't really bothered using it

[lavish locust]

cant help you there bud, i think we're about the same amount of runs in

[upper meteor]

Aspect of Hera?

[lavish locust]

i've only just gotten chiron

[upper meteor]

That's the bow that fires casts right

Yes, it's fantastic

[lavish locust]

yeap

[obsidian pulsar]

Yeah, Vorbis

[lavish locust]

how do you build around that

[upper meteor]

I used it with Ares casts

it would spawn the sawblades in the face of whatever I hit

[obsidian pulsar]

i'm on around 100 runs and about 50 clears. I used to use God Mode because I suck at this type of game, but I turned it off recently since i've finally had enough practice to stop sucking at it

[lavish locust]

hOH

no shame in using god mode

[obsidian pulsar]

nah, it was really helpful to learn the game

but satisfying when I turned it off and beat final boss with full health and 3 DD remaining

[hexed smelt]

i mean, isn't that what it's there for?

[obsidian pulsar]

yeah exactly

I hadn't played for a long time because I've never been into dungeon crawlers / action rpg / whatever you'd call this game

and then when i saw them advertise god mode in an update I knew it was time to hop back in

[lavish locust]

roguelike/lite

ayye

[obsidian pulsar]

roguelite is so broad though. Like... I love stuff like FTL

[hexed smelt]

"hack-and-slash roguelite" is what i tend to go for if it needs to be snappy ^^

[obsidian pulsar]

but FTL plays nothing like this

yeah, hack-and-slash roguelite makes sense to me

[rugged glacier]

what is FTL?

[upper meteor]

faster than light

[obsidian pulsar]

I was so glad, because I'm a total fanboy for Supergiant's stuff. We've got some of their giant prints up and framed around the house and I themed my home network and PC build after Pyre

[lavish locust]

that's dope

[rugged glacier]

found it, thanks

[hexed smelt]

i wish i had the wall space to hang up the two posters i have

alas!

[obsidian pulsar]

Celeste is our DHCP Server / VPN Pi-Hole, since she's the gate guardian, Tariq is our Media Server and RetroPie since he's the bard

[hexed smelt]

i do at least have a hades shirt

[obsidian pulsar]

Jodariel is my latest PC Build, since it's super-powerful, quiet, but kinda big

[lavish locust]

i would like merch but the currency exchange is never in favor OTL

Jody!!

[hexed smelt]

i also have a cardboard version of zag's laurel crown that has both darren and ashley's signatures on it :3c

[obsidian pulsar]

Pamitha is my surface pro, since it's super light, and fast

[lavish locust]

gosh you put a lot of thought into it

[obsidian pulsar]

my smartphone is Ti'zo

haha, yeah probably too much

[lavish locust]

it's not a bad thing, im just impressed

supergiant makes very lovable games/characters

[obsidian pulsar]

I might make a post with it all on the supergiant sub at some point

I'd like to do a Supergiant cosplay of some sort in the future

[lavish locust]

you should post your setup sometime under fan works i feel

cause that's aRT

[obsidian pulsar]

Yeah - I've got all the RGB stuff on my PC in blue/gold/red too

[lavish locust]

you absolute madlad

[obsidian pulsar]

but yeah, i'll post there sometime and stop gumming up the hades channel, haha

[lavish locust]

quick say hades things to refresh the channel

[obsidian pulsar]

More cerberus interactions or I riot

[lavish locust]

like uh, theory: Zagreus is the god of ||bonds||

more pats!

we demand 3xdog emotes

[upper meteor]

Actually if you fill out the Codex

Specifically ||Thanatos'|| entry

You get to see Achille's speculations as to your godliness

[lavish locust]

oh yeah im aware of that

though

[obsidian pulsar]

Duhh, Zagreus is just ||Dionysus, Orpheus wrote a song about it and everything||

[hexed smelt]

man, that codex entry makes me cry like tiny baby

what can i say i'm a sucker for ||soulmates|| ;-;

[obsidian pulsar]

I need to go back and read the codex, I've unlocked soooo much since I last read through it

[lavish locust]

if you think about it and if you're a filthy homstuck like me ||blood symbolizes bonds ||

[obsidian pulsar]

I just need to get the tier 1 and 3 fish from Chaos' realm to have all the entries, I think. I always get projellies :(

[lavish locust]

but also i like how zagreus is taking over the House with ||flowers, it's very much like Persephone || innit

[upper meteor]

They're specifically undead ones tho

[lavish locust]

mood sparrow

eXACTLY

it's this specific attention to detail in visual storytelling that draws me in

cant walk two steps without seeing how much research and effort was poured into the lore, the audio, the visuals

[obsidian pulsar]

I know it's just an easter egg, but I always look at the Beyonder Crystal in Zag's bedroom and wish for a Sandra cameo

[lavish locust]

!!! that'd be a great tie in ngl

[dawn tangle]

hi everyone, i'm a newcomer, both to Hades and to this discord

[lavish locust]

hello sancre

[obsidian pulsar]

hey ^_^

[lavish locust]

fun things about Zagreus in mythology he's conflated with Dionysus due to shenanigans and the nature of mythology and oral traditional in general, this video touches upon that and it still tickles me to hell and back how the team added it into the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5brAr51ip_k

[obsidian pulsar]

ocean's bounty on chamber 3 \o/

[sage marten]

It’s less conflated more zagreus was maybe proto-dionysus

Or proto-hades

Or both

I do agree with you that supergiant managed to put that bit really well into the game

Especially with the Hymn of Zagreus

[lavish locust]

i loved it, hands down one of my fave subsideplots in the game

miniplots?

[sage marten]

Subminiplots

Minisubplots

Anyway yeah, it’s one of the best ones

[lavish locust]

Subminiplots has the same amount of syllables as Submarineplots which is close enough to the underworld

nobs vigorously

i just like dionysus in general

chaos and dionysus are my fave boon gods in the series

[sage marten]

They are both beneath sea level
I think you might be into something

[lavish locust]

gestures in general at them, will smith poses

[sage marten]

Yeah, there’s something endearing in how absolutely chill dionysus is about stuff

Poor lad
He just told Demeter if she wanted to party and she told him she’d freeze his grapes

Not an euphemism i literally mean grapes as in the stuff you make wine with

[lavish locust]

greek mythos was an early childhood fixation of mine, ngl that's where my username came from lol (tho tbh, 5 year old me thought artemis was a guy)

ahahaha i haven't gotten that line yet

i wouldn't put it past her

i think the voice acting really sold me on dio

chaos' speaking mannerisms is really peculiar as well

[sage marten]

Yeah

[sinful star]

I dunno. Dionysus just reminds me of one of the most un-genuine people I'd ever met in my entire life.

Constantly congratulating people for work he probably has barely any idea even exists, just...I dunno. Probably coloring my reaction to him quite a lot.

[upper meteor]

Well there's a lot of potential coloring one can do when it comes to Hades

I actually like Dionysus a lot, reminds me of someone who got me to have fun more in my own life

But perspective and life experience colors most of the characters, they cover a pretty broad spectrum

[sage marten]

i just got CHAOS'd

EM Alecto with her two sisters while having a maimed chaos boon

[acoustic sand]

in the run i just did, there were Dionysus and Poseidon on a single chamber (duo boon in Dio's chamber), and it went like : Dionysus talking, embarrassed "oh, there's your uncle...the other one...he wanted to talk to you about sth" and Poseidon barked joyously something like "what ? are you really still stuck in there ?" i could picture them drinking wine to oblivion and having fun at my expense

Dionysus got the most fabulous thigh exposure pose

@sage marten RIP brutha

do you wanna hear a bad Hades themed joke to cheer you up

[sage marten]

i managed to get through it
god bless trippy shot

sure

[acoustic sand]

who is the most likely to do the nae nae in Hades ?

[sage marten]

i don't know, who is it?

[acoustic sand]

Meg. Cause watch her whip, watch her nae nae

i'll see myself out

you did manage to beat Alecto with Chaos maim ? That's great honestly

[sage marten]

not gonna lie, i clutched on trippy shot

hard

also i don't get the joke

[acoustic sand]

lmao

it's a song which was waaaay too popular a few years ago, Watch me whip, watch me nae nae

i quite like it tbh

i did manage to beat a Fury with Chaos maim but it wasn't that bad of a maim and besides i don't play in a tough difficulty so...but still it wasn't that easy

fun fact, Hypnos can be lazy cause he's got Morpheus working for him getting the mortals sleepy

[brave thicket]

not only morpheus, but a dozen other sleepyheads

[acoustic sand]

yea...morpheus on some accounts is the son of Nyx and Hypnos, but its a little embarrasing considering their familial bond

so on other accounts fortunately he's just one of Nyx's creatures among many dream gods

also, the latin name of Hypnos is Somnus, which brings me back to my sweet FF XV memories :3

[brave thicket]

every time i curse him i get insomnia somehow

[acoustic sand]

FFXV, Hades, same stuff really, a dark, beautiful young prince with unknown powers and future, born from the Night, and friend with Somnus

if only i got insomnia now, i'm sleepy as a bear

[brave thicket]

hypnos is much more tamer than somnus, in roman time he is more serious and actually kills people

so its not fully the same

just like Ares vs Mars

[acoustic sand]

yea, but still, he's the close brother of Than

[brave thicket]

Mors

[acoustic sand]

his partner of some sort

[brave thicket]

sleep and death are brother in greece

[acoustic sand]

poetic

[narrow hemlock]

hypnos and thanatos were rarely depicted without one another in classical art 🤧 interesting they have such a shaky relationship here

[sour dust]

hypnos rly was delegated to comic relief huh

[acoustic sand]

he's not really majestic, true, but i like him nonetheless

[sage marten]

Yeah, he’s basically just comedic relief

Shame, he’s got a pretty swanky outfit

[acoustic sand]

and a bulky chest

are you team quilted or team fancy bed for Cerberus ?

[sour dust]

fancy bed it looks so colorful

[narrow hemlock]

prayer circle hypnos gets some kind of content that expands on his role beyond the comic relief guy

[acoustic sand]

it would be nice, but i'm not sure what could he do

[sour dust]

me too,,, the sgg crew is alluding to more characther related events

[sage marten]

I don’t remember which bed i gave cerberus

The padded one

[acoustic sand]

quilted probably

[sage marten]

Since it looked more comfy

[sour dust]

awww but fancy looks so pretty

[acoustic sand]

oh, i was going to get fancy but i want it comfy :/

[sour dust]

am i the only one that went fancy 😔

one day i'll get everything

[acoustic sand]

Hypnos has some kind of proto love interest in Meg

[sage marten]

Fancy is basically a rug
Quilted is soft and pillowy

[sour dust]

hypnos new romance option smh

[acoustic sand]

ill go quilted then lol

[sour dust]

that's the way to go

[acoustic sand]

YEAAS

BOTH BROTHERS

[sour dust]

EXACTLY

zag has two hands

let him hold both

[acoustic sand]

lmaoo

[quaint bramble]

I went fancy, as an option, the contractor upgrade specifically says “luxurious comfort” and that’s what I want for my triple-headed son

[acoustic sand]

go luxurious or go home

[sage marten]

Then at the end of his romance he just tells you he wants you to wingman him for Meg or Asterius and he just misunderstood you and he isn’t interested

Hypnos is the new Dusa

[sour dust]

thank u oak

YES

i want silly shenanigans lmao

pls

[quaint bramble]

Also yea, even just an event or two to see Hypnos somewhere other than the entry hall

[sage marten]

If i get to suffer because no dusa then so will everyone else

[acoustic sand]

but then, i remember, about proto relationships, this strange line of dialogue when you talk to Alecto...she says idk how to make you scream and Zag says ||Meg knows you should ask her ||

[sour dust]

where zag gets played

damn

[sage marten]

@acoustic sand lmao yeah i loved that bit too

[sour dust]

Well i mean

if you romance meg then 👀

Yeah

[acoustic sand]

😂

[sage marten]

Zag gets pretty good sass every now and then

[acoustic sand]

yea, i love it, especially against the Furies

[novel wasp]

Fuwuies

[acoustic sand]

lol

[sour dust]

he quips a lot at the bosses

it's nice

[acoustic sand]

i mean Hypnos could have his nice grotto somewhere, sure

[sage marten]

"murrr"
"no! no murder!
"MURDERRR"
"DAMMIT"

[sour dust]

but thesus doesn't shut up

[acoustic sand]

MURDER ?

[sour dust]

he just gets extremely annoyed over him

[novel wasp]

Theseus but its thomas the tank engine

[sage marten]

Yeah
Theseus’ dialogue is the best incentive to beating him up

The ambrosia is secondary

[sour dust]

^^^

i wanna wipe that smug look off his face

[novel wasp]

I delete both of them at the same time

[sage marten]

I loved his reaction to us telling him we didn’t want his autograph

[acoustic sand]

Yea, i wish you could dialogue the Hydra

kidding

lmao

[novel wasp]

chomp

[acoustic sand]

i love getting Theseus all ragey

also when you tell Minotaur "really, don't you have anything better than fighting here" and he snorts and says something like "no"

[sage marten]

“Why are you calling me lernie”
“I have a name you know”

[quaint bramble]

“They love us, Asterius!!”

[acoustic sand]

oh myyy goood

this line makes him reappear right away

i hear it in his desperately annoying voice

[novel wasp]

But little did they know

Zag has a glock

🔫

[acoustic sand]

he's like Gaston in Beauty and the Beast you want him smacked

[novel wasp]

hurricane gaston intensifies

[quaint bramble]

“Again you mock me with the ||Yarn of Ariadne||, Blackguard!”

[acoustic sand]

it's you, FIEND

Asterius is probably connected to him by more than honor after all this time if you know what i mean

i mean, that could explain why he bothered to look for him in Hell in the first place

[patent topaz]

any suggestions for the bow? Just for using it, not aspects etc...

[quaint bramble]

You’ll hear a lot about dash strikes because they charge faster. You’ll prob want to go for percentage-based boon increases because most stacking status effects won’t do too much with the bow’s slow attack speed. Hammers will provide some great combos though. And the special starts pretty weak but can offer some okay nuke damage up close in the early floors.

[patent topaz]

thanks! I'm trying to train with it coz i suck but i actually want to see some progress ahah

[flat vapor]

try hunter's dash with a dash strike build to see how you like it

chain shot + either twin or triple is great for crowd control (twin is better at single target as well, but you don't get the extra arrow)

twin shot's reduced range almost cancels out explosive shot's longer charge

flurry shot is an objectively good hammer, and works well with dio or zeus

[manic bobcat]

Is explosive shot ever worth taking?

It seems to have so many anti synergy

For example with perfect shot

[obsidian pulsar]

I like ares' doom special boon on the bow since you can merrily distribute doom effects to the whole room

[deep pivot]

I'd say definitely, but I don't want to be butchered yet again~

(With Perfect Shot, not so much btw)

[obsidian pulsar]

i hardly ever use dash-strike on the bow because I like hammering things with power shot

[flat vapor]

the thing with explosive shot is that you don't need the power shot to do enough damage

[manic bobcat]

You can still power shot with dash strike

I think

[obsidian pulsar]

but depends if you've got good timing. it's easy enough in tartarus since there's not normallly tons of enemies, and in asphodel since most chambers have loads of room to kite

oh, you can?

[deep pivot]

It takes to long to Power Shot with Explosive Shot, unless you don't mind waiting for it to charge

[flat vapor]

if you get the faster attack on hermes or twin shot, then you can go ahead and start power shooting with explosive

[obsidian pulsar]

I like grabbing sniper shot early if possible and power-shotting things for a heap of damage

[flat vapor]

but you don't need to power shot with it, as it's already plenty strong enough

[manic bobcat]

Yeah, I suppose

[obsidian pulsar]

but yeah, anything that gives you % increase or just extra damage (like ares) is nice on the bow

[manic bobcat]

It just find the using power shot less unintuitive

[obsidian pulsar]

yeah I always found power shots difficult on previous games, like the power casts in Pyre

but I find it easier to time in this game

like others said, you don't have to use power shot, but it can be a good idea to have it as an option if you learn to do it reliably

[brisk trail]

You can.

You can still Dash-Strike with the bow, that is.

Fully charging Explosive Shot isn't something you need to use frequently, but I recommend playing it just a little slower for bosses because the +300% from ES scales based on your bow's damage.

Standing fully charged shot, it adds 180 damage. Dash-Strike, 120.

so I asked my colorblind friend bout elysium and he said the traps aren't a color problem but a general design one

hard to distinguish from the background in general especially if the statues are facing backwards

[deep pivot]

That's something you'll get used to the more you visit Elysium 😅

[dusty cosmos]

@mental sleet @rotund finch @split oyster Supergiant use XNA framework, originally made by microsoft, but discontinued. Another framework that is basically XNA framework (same everything, but still in dev with more stuff), but not abandoned and open-source is MonoGame. Both of course use .NET (which is made by microsoft) so is c#.

All games previous to hades used MonoGame. Bastion for sure, py i believe too. I just checked Hades by decompiling it and it seems like it uses MonoGame as well.

Thing is, MonoGame is more of a "framework" than an engine like Unity or Unreal.
So you can say that they made their own engine, using MonoGame Framework.

[split oyster]

Cool

[high island]

StyxBot downvotes all my feedback posts. That's so mean. :(

[clever halo]

offers cookie.

[high island]

mods plz ban

[clever halo]

Your name makes me think of LaLa MooMoo from Wizardry.

[high island]

My name is better.

[clever halo]

I shall take your word for it.

[acoustic sand]

FIEND

[wind nest]

Hey I released another mod just now. This one lets you push the mirror of darkness even furthur than before, but only for that run. https://www.nexusmods.com/hades/mods/33

[brisk trail]

is there a new hadesupdate

[flat vapor]

not yet

will be in june

the most recent update was in march

[brisk trail]

ohh

okay

uhh any goodbuilds for spear?

[low fiber]

Guan Yu artemis special does obscene damage at safe ranges

[flat vapor]

especially with the charged special hammer

[low fiber]

or Athena attack for spin to win

both are super safe for very different reasons

spin to win is not as safe on any level of forced overtime without the charge speed hammer

[clever halo]

Thicc boi Zagreus. 405 life. And this is without Life Affirmation.

[lavish locust]

• 1 c ThicCC

[sour dust]

I always wonder if zag's muscles grow each time he gets a centaur heart

[flat vapor]

his capacity of love does at least

zag is a hunk and i stand by that

[lavish locust]

I dont think muscles = stamina but i like the mental image of tinytank brickhouse zag

Swole zag

[dawn tangle]

thanks guys, i just started playing and now i won't be able to erase that image from my mind

[lavish locust]

Than likes him big thats why he rewards centaur hearts

[flat vapor]

have y'all seen the art of zag with the fists

he's buff as hell

[lavish locust]

😂😂😂😂😂

Onyx where

[flat vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456894163292520448/693129603367174206/Night_Discord_QA_01.jpg

[lavish locust]

Oh welp

Im gay

The fists are my fave weapon tho

Super fast with no cooldown to worry about

[wheat canopy]

Waiting for that 1.0 is getting harder and harder. They add so many story elements all throughout the game with each update that it makes you want to hold off.

Haven't played since the Chaos update.

[flat vapor]

jesus that long?

[wheat canopy]

It's been rough. 😦

[lavish locust]

I only started about two weeks back so i have no concept whats new or not new

[flat vapor]

this game's gone through like 3 different eras since then lol

[wheat canopy]

They've added so much!

[lavish locust]

But also RIP evarin you have the temperance of a god

[flat vapor]

it's quite a lot!

these past two updates especially have changed the state of the game a lot

[wheat canopy]

It's one of those things where I know the game is so damn good it's worth waiting for the best experience.

[flat vapor]

i understand

[narrow hemlock]

being able to wait.... powerful...

[flat vapor]

as an early access player, i know my experience is 100% different than someone going in at v1.0

[wheat canopy]

Anyone look at Atomicrops? I'm in the same boat. Picked it up on the sale and am now waiting until the end of May for the 1.0 release.

[flat vapor]

may is a lot closer

but no, haven't heard of it, what is it?

[wheat canopy]

It's like a mix of a top down shooter and Stardew Valley. It's Epic exclusive.

And May 28th is blessedly a lot sooner.

[flat vapor]

that sounds ambitiously amazing

[wheat canopy]

Yeah. It looks right up my alley as well.

Trying to find games to hold me over until Hades is out. Curse of the Dead Gods looked good too.

[elder monolith]

Is Risk of Rain 2 a good game?

[wheat canopy]

I know people who are cripplingly addicted to it.

They say, "YESSSS"

[narrow hemlock]

to refer back to a convo yesterday, was it yesterday? legit cant remember, but when it was discussed about the odd disconnect hypnos has with everyone in the house, something just hit me today thats been in our face the whole time. not only the fact hypnos just hasnt had any kind of narrative arc yet, but even in the content he has currently, he never uses zag's name, calls him anything, just... nothing. even the olympian gods will use some kind of name for zag if they dont refer to him as zagreus/zag, calling him cousin, little hades, my kin, ect, hypnos doesnt even do that much. he only ever refers to zag as "you." so it makes his relationship a lot less personal than everyone else. ive been trying to put my finger on the weird relationship hypnos has for ages and i think thats it.

[dawn tangle]

wait, now that you mention it...

[sinful pine]

the way i see it, amongst all the stuff going down at the hades house he's the only one that's just vibing

the way i see it, amongst all the stuff going down at the hades house he's the only one that's just vibing

[flat vapor]

hypnos feels anemically underdeveloped, so i'm hoping for more hypnos content in the future

[narrow hemlock]

even alecto, theseus and asterius have something they refer to zag with (redblood, fiend/blackguard, short one) and hypnos never even refers to zag by name. not once. ive literally just gone through all my screenshots and dialogue to confirm. it makes his dialogue with zag so impersonal, and i think thats whats been weirding me out about how hes presented in the game

[dawn tangle]

if you sleep too much, your body ends up more or less like that

[narrow hemlock]

finally cracked the code lads

[dawn tangle]

no muscle mass at all

and general physical weakness

[flat vapor]

it feels odd that hypnos is the only house member without a strong connection to any story >:v

give us more of our boy

hypnos romance when?

[narrow hemlock]

even in the gifting dialogue hypnos only refers to zag as you/you're

[dawn tangle]

gave quick read on wiki

[lavish locust]

huh, that makes a lot of sense why i dismissed him when i was going around befriending the other gods

[dawn tangle]

hypnos seems somewhat related to hera, on her revenge schemes at least

[lavish locust]

hypnos skelly conspiracy???!!!

i subsconciously just didn't connect with him because of this

[patent topaz]

maybe it's also because his role in the game is a bit small? No lore advancer like Nyx and the others, no romance, no gameplay mechanic, he just... greets you and acts goofy and precious

[lavish locust]

Tisiphone doesn't count cause she has groot speech and technically gets mad at you like alecto

[narrow hemlock]

yeah but it doesnt make sense that even the bosses have something they call zag that is tied to him specifically, but hypnos never uses zag's name even once

[lavish locust]

(i like tisiphone tho, so im biased)

[flat vapor]

see, i understand alecto and tisiphone being this small role, because they're explicitly out-of-the-House enemies tied to meg's arc

but hypnos is a house member, yet he's just kinda there? there's been occasional lines about him but still

[lavish locust]

here's to hoping there's at least a hypnos-thanatos siblings storyline

[narrow hemlock]

like i was willing to write off a lot of the weirdness as him not having any substantial content added in yet, but when i realized that even in all his existing dialogue, it never feels personal with him like speaking with anyone else is... well..

[flat vapor]

tisi and alecto still feel connected despite having a minor role in the grand scheme of things

[lavish locust]

i feel that's the most anyone talks about him, beyond that one hades-hypnos 'lost the list' subminiplot

or maybe he's just addled all the time and cant actually recognize people

[narrow hemlock]

eh thats not a good excuse

esp since thats not communicated to the player, even if that were the case

[patent topaz]

i think we're going to give ambrosia to everyone so Hypnos' favor is probably coming
hoping those last hearts are gonna hurt

[narrow hemlock]

everyone will have ambrosia hearts, yeah

[lavish locust]

tho he has mentioned that he sometimes finds zag familiar

[shrewd cedar]

@elder monolith It's an ok game, the gameplay is very good but there isn't really a feeling of progression aside from unlocking the playable characters which you can almost entirely do in a single run

[narrow hemlock]

but even hypnos's current gifting dialogue is totally impersonal compared to everyone else

[lavish locust]

i agree on that now that you've mentioned it

the most interaction i get out of hypnos is when im uh, bullying him, by standing right at the edge of his trigger area lol

tisi and alecto still feel connected despite having a minor role in the grand scheme of things
@flat vapor they feel personally offended by Zagreus and i think that establishes a bond of sorts

[patent topaz]

i love to ominous music next to him, slowly and then ZAP dash to him and startle him lol

[narrow hemlock]

the only other one im willing to give a pass for this is pat, since he has his reasons for being aloof, but i feel like even with the olympians you connect more with them when speaking to them, because they refer to zag in a familiar manner, and hypnos, someone who sees zagreus all the time and resides in the house as well, never refers to him as anything more than like... iunno, if you were greeting someone you passed on the sidewalk every day but didnt really know well beyond that, is how it feels like

[flat vapor]

that and they're constantly talked about when you're going through meg's narrative arc too

[lavish locust]

ngl hypnos feels like a walmart welcomer to me

[flat vapor]

i hate to insult my boy like this but

[strong heron]

man i didn't really notice but -- yeah, rn he has no real arc

[lavish locust]

apologies in profusion, it was the impression

[sinful pine]

i had a bug during a listen segment between hades/nyx where i believe i was right on the distance where the hypnos startle procs

[lavish locust]

i understand how you feel tho shoukai, i frequently like side characters in series where they get little interaction

[sinful pine]

it was quite amusing watching the 2 cthonic deities argue while hypnos is falling asleep and waking up on his own all the time

[lavish locust]

ffffft yes i had that happen once

[patent topaz]

pff really? Poor fella

[sinful pine]

should we bug rep?

i mean, it's probably an easy fix

[lavish locust]

i was having the orpheus quest emotional conversation and somehow hypnos' bug started up so it was just indisctinct hypnos yelling in the background

[sinful pine]

yess that

although due to the nature of the game i'm guessing it's a bit hard to recreate the bug conditions willingly

[flat vapor]

the bug reporter sends the save file to the devs i believe

[lavish locust]

Nyx: arguement noises
Hypnos: Gyah!! I'm up!!
Hades: gruffer argument noises
Hypnos: Wha--!! I'm up, I'm up!!

[patent topaz]

You could just write and specify the bug
I did that once, text in the broker window was misplaced
I also constantly report localization errors on the localization channel-

[lavish locust]

yeah i thought it was funny and it was pretty in the background so it didn't fully register

oh i think i'll write about it in feedback, gimme a sec

[sinful pine]

i'd help w localization if there was a greek translation going on

[narrow hemlock]

maybe after 1.0

[sinful pine]

it's a bit odd as to why not go for a greek translation when it works really well with the mythology names and what not, yet again 99.9999% of games don't get a greek translation

[narrow hemlock]

"We expect to consider additional language options after our v1.0 launch (planned for sometime in 2020)." listed over in #hades-localization-faq

[sinful pine]

yes ik

iirc even greg responded to me on the matter

i just feel sad cuz i can't contribute

[narrow hemlock]

ive seen some commentary on the steam forums as well about greek localization, i do hope its considered

jp too, i have some jp friends interested but not all of them are good with english

[sinful pine]

ah yes

hades the anime

[lavish locust]

ngl greek localization would be really cool considering this is a game about greek gods

[sinful pine]

Hades:
Zagreus: yare yare daze

[lavish locust]

just sad that its not a priority due to resource management

[patent topaz]

Thanatos is perfect anime boi material his haircut is even inspired by trunks-

[sinful pine]

i wouldn't mind doing some hefty work on my own tbf

i'm still not through the game yet though

[lavish locust]

lol yeah i couldnt help but feel a pang of instant Trunks when i first saw him

[sinful pine]

thanatos reminds me of my best friend

[lavish locust]

there's more than 10k lines in the game, so uh, it's an undertaking

[sinful pine]

it's a bit surreal

[narrow hemlock]

15k at current, last i heard

[lavish locust]

understandable

[narrow hemlock]

im sure next update will add another few thousand

[sinful pine]

do we have a place where that's all easy to be accessed?

or would i have to dig through files

[remote lily]

20k

239k words minus patch notes

[patent topaz]

I also would like to be a translator? Maybe? Pretty maybe? Another task it's the last thing i need but hh-

[lavish locust]

yikes

[patent topaz]

JESUS

[lavish locust]

i speak 3 languages but im pretty bad in all of them so

RIP

[patent topaz]

even the files are beefy

[sinful pine]

cracks knuckles game on

once i'm done with semester exams i might actually sit down and translate a decent chunk

[final kayak]

i mean, i'm fluent in spoken russian and english, but a good chunk of my writing in both languages is half-written by autocorrect

[lavish locust]

localization translation is hard, you have to keep in mind the cultural conscious and touchstones which is why i have a healthy respect for anyone doing this job

[sinful pine]

agreed

[patent topaz]

And i would probably just translate the lines in the most literal way possible so yeah not really what they would look for
So i'm fine with just filling the channel with grammatical errors and strange words

[sinful pine]

far too many jokes have missed their mark because of not good localization

[lavish locust]

i mean, i'm fluent in spoken russian and english, but a good chunk of my writing in both languages is half-written by autocorrect
@final kayak same

hard same lol

[sinful pine]

i've done some slight creative writing on my own, nothing that even comes close to greg though

[narrow hemlock]

i hope he sees that compliment later lmao

[lavish locust]

And i would probably just translate the lines in the most literal way possible so yeah not really what they would look for
So i'm fine with just filling the channel with grammatical errors and strange words
@patent topaz i find that that's important too cause one person's perspective (or even a team) might not be able to capture the nuance of certain situations

[sinful pine]

i don't want to sound too ambitious but i think i can take on Charon's lines no problem

[patent topaz]

Do the multilingual devs help with localization?

[lavish locust]

cannot account for the difference in social structures/cultures etc lol

[sinful pine]

that'd be interesting to see in a japanese or any other language that deals with honorifics and such

[lavish locust]

and possibly Tisiphone's, cygnus

[sinful pine]

ah yes

Φ Ό Ν Ο Σ

[lavish locust]

i haven't actually switched to look at the other localizations

is there chinese, i think there should be right

[narrow hemlock]

yeah

[sinful pine]

simplified yes

[patent topaz]

I'm a bit concerned for chaos pronouns, we don't have unisex pronouns in italy so... maybe always they but plural? Sounds formal? Will Dante come and bite my fingers if i do that?

[sage marten]

ACKSHUALLY an end sigma doesn't look like that

[sinful pine]

it does in capital letters

there's no capital ς

[sage marten]

really?

[sinful pine]

mhm

[sage marten]

man my greek is rustier than i remembered then

my bad

[sinful pine]

it's oki

[lavish locust]

i think it's fine if formal since Chaos is a Primodial anyway, though im not sure the social context of it

[sinful pine]

greek can be a real headache sometimes even for native speakers

[lavish locust]

all language is arbitrary and a mess because humans use it lol

[sinful pine]

this tbh

[lavish locust]

language is not made logically, it's made as it's used, hence, mouse-mice, moose-notmeese

[sinful star]

Isn't this mostly because English is a lingua franca and has a ton of loanwords and rules from all the imperialism?

[sage marten]

no language makes sense and they're all arbitrary

[sinful pine]

programming languages rule all

and sheet music, if that counts

[patent topaz]

I found words in the game i didn't even know existed lol
like hades told zag to go "trastullarsi"
and i was like WHAT THE HELL THAT'S ANOTHER WORD FOR MASTUR- oh. Oh ok it's actually a word for going around enjoying yourself, alright i got scared for nothing thanks game

[sinful pine]

bruh

[sage marten]

english being three or four languages in a trenchcoat is an extreme case of that

[sinful pine]

now i wonder

[sage marten]

also that is a pretty common way to go enjoy yourself

[sinful pine]

a greek translation

would be

just modern greek?

or ancient greek

or a mixture of the 2

[sage marten]

do an ancient greek translation supergiant

no balls

[sinful pine]

ancient greek is a whole different beast

[sage marten]

[sinful pine]

bruh even as a native i can't read a lot of it

[lavish locust]

Isn't this mostly because English is a lingua franca and has a ton of loanwords and rules from all the imperialism?
@sinful star more like english is the b*tard of a lot of european languages lmao

[patent topaz]

is ancient greek that different than modern greek?

[sinful star]

Yeah, true.

[sage marten]

very

[lavish locust]

yeah, it would be very different logically

[sage marten]

from what i recall anyway

[sinful pine]

here's a link to Illiad, in ancient and modern side by side

http://users.sch.gr/ipap/Ellinikos Politismos/Yliko/OMHROS-ILIADA/ARXAIO/ILIADA.htm

[lavish locust]

imagine we have like 200 new words every year

[sinful pine]

guess which is which

[patent topaz]

Oh alright like latin and italian basically

[lavish locust]

that's like 2000 years of extra words alone, not counting the new ways people speak

[sage marten]

left is old

[sinful pine]

ding correct

[sage marten]

what do i get for guessing it right?

[sinful pine]

mental pain

of trying to read it

[sage marten]

nice

[lavish locust]

smalle tangent, one of the more hilarious things about researching old/ancient languages is that, you might be reading someone's terrible cursive than the standard form

[patent topaz]

oof

[sage marten]

i actually used to study ancient greek so i have an easier time parsing it rather than old greek

[patent topaz]

i just know the letters used for physics lol
and math

[sage marten]

but yeah, it's less like latin and italian and more basically the same language after more than 2000 years of difference
they're two entirely different things altogether by that point as cygnus pointed out earlier

[lavish locust]

that's the only greek i know too symbo 😂

i did learn a bit in word morphology, but only as examples

[patent topaz]

And a couple of words like aristos achaion and philtatos, courtesy of madeline miller

[sinful pine]

αχαίον?

is that a word

[lavish locust]

greek/latin roots for words is the extent of it

[sinful pine]

or do you mean αρχαίον ( ancient)

or it can be a clause of the Achaeans, Αχαιών

gotta love it when you have more than 1 letter that's the same vowel

[patent topaz]

achaion as achaean

Best of the greeks

[sage marten]

study greek
you have
short o
double o

[lavish locust]

winces in translation

[sinful pine]

Achilles was an Achaean

wait

is Odysseus going to make a cameo in Hades

i would love that

[patent topaz]

aww maybe

[sinful pine]

i mean, he has an entire rhapsody written about his journey home after the trojan war so

[patent topaz]

I confused Pat for Ajax at first because bloody hell my son hit the gym in the meantime

[sage marten]

yeah, odysseus is the real mvp

doubt we'll get him since by this point we're practically outside the underworld

[sinful pine]

what

i haven't finished the game btw

[lavish locust]

i wonder if there'll be more gods? there's twelve in the pantheon usually

[sinful pine]

pff

laughs in extended pantheon

[narrow hemlock]

i dont think there will be more gods

[lavish locust]

Hera when

[narrow hemlock]

the goal was never to represent the entire pantheon

[sinful pine]

if they can get the lesser known myths out there it would be nice

[patent topaz]

i wanted Apollo along with an extremely passive aggressive codex entry

[sage marten]

yeah, don't think we'll get another olympian by this point

[sinful pine]

who knows though

[sage marten]

we're kinda stretching the mechanics already by this point with the ones we've got

[narrow hemlock]

theyve only said there is a new character coming, but if it were an olympian they would specify that as they did demeter prior to her release

[sinful pine]

i got minor spoiled

[sage marten]

wait how far did you get greek boyo

[patent topaz]

and that character is probably the styx npc

[lavish locust]

yeah i dont think it's feasible to add another boon granter

[patent topaz]

OMG DID I SPOIL YOU?

[narrow hemlock]

is there really room in that biome to add an npc

[sinful pine]

farthest i've made is theseus and minotaur

[sage marten]

oh

my bad then

[sinful pine]

it's oki

i was talking about demeter

didn't know she's in the game

[sage marten]

she is, you gotta make it at the end of the final area to unlock her

[narrow hemlock]

oh. she was revealed in the winter update trailer anyway but dksjhgkj

[sage marten]

you'll see why when you do

[sinful pine]

pffffffffffff

ight i'll be back when the next update comes out

unless i super cheese it with aegis

[sage marten]

nah, you can beat the final boss in your second day or so

[narrow hemlock]

you can try! i believe my first clear was with aegis

[patent topaz]

ooh that's why she never comes out for me. Hermes? Do i need a prerequisite?

[sinful pine]

the aegis feels surprisingly strong and versatile actually

[sage marten]

have you found out you can block with the aegis cygnus?

[narrow hemlock]

@patent topaz ||demeter wont appear until youve reached the surface||

[sinful pine]

you have your range, your close up, block literally anything

yes

[sage marten]

because i literally discovered it after beating the game with it

[lavish locust]

super cheese with the fists!! This is a message brought to you by Maphon Bias account 224

[sinful pine]

i killed hydra on my first try because of the block

[sage marten]

yeah, malphon is pretty good if you slap an artemis attack boon on it

[patent topaz]

@narrow hemlock yep i learned that just now i was wondering about hermes

[narrow hemlock]

uhh do not recall off hand

[sinful pine]

i always go with the one that gives +20% darkness so it's always nice to have variation in the runs

[patent topaz]

duwang told cygnus

[sinful pine]

i really like how each weapon makes you play differently

[lavish locust]

oh uh, quick underrated tip is the ||+40% attack for privileged status||, that adds so much dps but it's deeper in the Mirror

[sinful pine]

still farming 10 keys

[sage marten]

poseidon boons are really good too for the bull and the dull cygnus, one of poseidon's duos make his boons that cause knockback cause ruptured on everything it touches, which makes foes take damage every time they move

[sinful pine]

not making an effort for it though

[patent topaz]

i'm trying to practice with the bow rn and i hate it so much hh

[sinful pine]

i like the bow

[sage marten]

that's really useful for those two, especially asterius since he's constantly moving

[lavish locust]

oh yeah same, i have decision making problems so having the darkness +20% eliminates that for me

otherwise id just run malphon ad infinitum

[sinful pine]

once you get the rhythm down for dash attack you're set

the special is a little weak though

[sage marten]

oh yeah cygnus another asterius protip

did you know you can bypass his rush attack with your own bullrush and not take damage?

[narrow hemlock]

i liked the bow a lot better once i used something other than default aspect, honestly really hate default

[sinful pine]

what

[patent topaz]

I also kinda like it, i love that you can hurt enemies long range but it's really testing my patcience with the nuMBSKULS

[sage marten]

just straight up bull rush at him with your shield and you will not take damage

[lavish locust]

default bow is the bane of my existance

unless i can hammer it

[sinful pine]

i like default bow

feels like a moba

and i'm playing an adc

[narrow hemlock]

i have a lot more fun with hera

[lavish locust]

im impatient and bad at timing

[sinful pine]

it's a very rewarding playstyle imo

[lavish locust]

when i click, thing go attac

[sinful pine]

idk if constant charged timed just right dash attacks have a high enough dps but it feels fun

[lavish locust]

that's fair XD i don't mean to undermine it

all playstyles have their charm

[narrow hemlock]

impatient losers defaulting to fists for instant serotonin gang rise up

[sage marten]

i just like getting close and personal, i have still never been able to get used to the bow

[sinful pine]

also, sniper boon is just 😩

[patent topaz]

I'm trying not to rush encounters and taking my time to kill monsters but it's not my fault if there are so much

[sage marten]

i love the shield because you can charge at enemies

haha bullrush go nyooom

[sinful pine]

that's the shield

not the bow

[sage marten]

shh

it's late and i have not slept much today

[lavish locust]

tho i do like to pair coronaught with ||Thanatos'|| keepsake

makes me rethink taking damage

[sinful pine]

am i the only one that wants to give nectar to everyone for the sake of it

[patent topaz]

Distant memory should also work

[sinful pine]

the keepsakes are just an added bonus

[lavish locust]

bullrush go nyoom +1

[sage marten]

dew it

[narrow hemlock]

i mean eventually you will finish out nectar on everyone

[sinful pine]

nectar is just so wholesome

[sage marten]

because that unlocks prophecies which means moar rewarsd

[sinful pine]

as a mechanic

i love it

[patent topaz]

blocking louts it's just a pleasure

[sage marten]

plus it's cool to advance their storylines

[sinful pine]

i hate louts

[lavish locust]

Distant memory should also work
@patent topaz yep this too, tho i wish there was an indicator on what is considered 'far'

[sage marten]

really? louts are not that bad

[sinful pine]

they need just the right timing to dodge the charge

[sage marten]

you know what i hate with a passion though

flamewheels

[sinful pine]

and they can screw up your hp early on if you're not careful

[patent topaz]

AHAHAH FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME

[sinful pine]

aegis
special
??
profit

[lavish locust]

profit