However it seemed to work much better with Hera's bow
#h1-discussion
fading gazelle
Umm not sure, Base Stygius seems pretty okay to me
I just immediately put a damage boon (Usually Aries) and it pretty much mows trhough most enemies
indigo summit
I tried that, but I just get mowed down
fading gazelle
The extra speed really helps stacking doom onto peeps
indigo summit
Like, I can clear the game with the shield practically blindfolded
fading gazelle
Same
runic cliff
shield is just like that, lmao
indigo summit
And then I use the sword and everything just eats my face
indigo summit
I feel like ranged weapons in generally are just really strong compared to melee atm
fading gazelle
Its just the ability to block basically any attack in the game kinda overpoers it a bit
indigo summit
yeah
indigo summit
I actually just finished an insane run with shield where i didnt even need to block
fading gazelle
Ooh damn nice
indigo summit
I had the frost cast, poison zeus shield and hermes buffs
so I basically just threw stuff down and ran in circles
fading gazelle
Poison Zeus IS SO MUCH FUN
runic cliff
I haven't tried poison zeus shield yet, sounds really good actually
fading gazelle
Any stacking damage works AMAZING on zeus shield
You should try the doom shield as well
indigo summit
Does doom stack?
fading gazelle
With one of his aspects yes
fading gazelle
The more you stack, the more damage it will deal
If you ever want specific gods, you should just equip their keepsake
indigo summit
yeah
ive got all teh keepsake
its just weird, like all the other gods like to pop up
fading gazelle
It guarantees a boon in the area
runic cliff
certain gods show up more the more you use them as well, or some such
indigo summit
and Ares is like NO
fading gazelle
I think its like a way to make you go down their tree
indigo summit
ive had couple runs with silly gods
fading gazelle
Its pretty dope
indigo summit
i think the way theyve stacked it is pretty clever
means you can actually get synergies, rather than hoping for RNG
fading gazelle
Yeah it feels nice and consistent
indigo summit
I love poseidon/zeus synergy
runic cliff
sea storm is hella fun
indigo summit
Attacks knock back/ knockback causes lightning / lightning causes jolted /jolted doesnt wear off
runic cliff
but I normally don't go Poseidon, so it's a rarity for me
indigo summit
Ive found poseidon is a bit weird
fading gazelle
I've been going posiedon so often just for dem fish :3
runic cliff
The feesh
indigo summit
I had one run where I got a ton of knockback effects on my cast
orchid zealot
I feel like unless you get the boon that does more damage on wall strikes poisedon isn't good alone
indigo summit
and I would just explode faces
Yeah, what diddle said
I think the cast knockback is useful for ranged weapons, for creating space
and the dash knockback is kinda fun
but otherwise its really take it or leave it
fading gazelle
Cast knockback is fine on its own tbh
fading gazelle
Which aspect?
indigo summit
base i think
but i didnt have it levelled up or anything at the time
so i'd hit things and then id be like "oh, everyone is out of range. great".
cant remember if i died or I ended up just cheesing casts
fading gazelle
Them big hits
indigo summit
I got aphrodite weakness attack on it
and a few defence upgrades
and cursed sword
indigo summit
and then proceeded to facetank my way through the entire game
Until the final boss, and i suddenly had to try dodging again >_>
fading gazelle
XD
runic cliff
psst, spoilers
indigo summit
sry
edgy kraken
hey i wanted to ask one super dumb question here: so the current version is 0.27 something, but they're apparently planning to release the game around the end of this year
deep pivot
You guys could move on to #h1-builds-and-combat to discuss gameplay mechanics in detail and to not worry about spoilers
edgy kraken
this doesn't mean they've only done 1/4 of the job, right? lol
runic cliff
N-no?
edgy kraken
v0.27 probably is just an arbitrary number..?
indigo summit
whats the difference between gameplay and discussion? dont the serve the same purpose
Tiredface: v0.27 is most likely the build number
deep pivot
Gameplay is for focused discussion of gameplay, design, balance, ideas, and feedback for Hades. This channel is to discuss Hades in general
indigo summit
Like, imagine you're building a house, and on day 15 you have it halfway done
deep pivot
Story and other aspects where gameplay mechanics aren't being analyzed, so to say
indigo summit
you can call that D15
indigo summit
theres no magic number at which a build is complete, but first release will likely be 1.0
edgy kraken
but i love what we have already
indigo summit
ty heartful
Im loving the game, but I think my main hope atm is mainly balancing
Like, I know its a roguelike, but sometimes you get your first boon and its like "none of these are useful at all"
narrow hemlock
thats a frequent sentiment i see in steam forum from people newer with the game, that a lot of boons feel useless. i promise you that feeling changes as you take on high heat levels though
orchid zealot
tbh alot of the boons I just get cause they give +% damage
regardless of their "god" effect
indigo summit
Im currently on heat 10, so I guess I got a bit of a way to go
orchid zealot
lol
narrow hemlock
theres gonna be some tweaking next update
indigo summit
cool
narrow hemlock
probably a couple new duos as well
indigo summit
Is there an actual use for, like, Demeters chill dash then?
orchid zealot
honestly any way to stack chill on a demeter build is nice, it's painstaking getting to 10 stacks
on top of the fact the main damage gets rid of the stacks
brisk trail
Mistral Dash is exclusively for Duo/Legendary spawns.
That thing has less forgiving spacing/timing than Royal Release.
indigo summit
Royal Release?
brisk trail
Frame-perfect counter attack in Devil May Cry.
brisk trail
Press F10 in-game.
runic cliff
tech fixes as well
indigo summit
okaydoke, ta
flat vapor
tech fixes isn't for bugs btw
runic cliff
oops, I meant tech support
empty turtle
deep pivot
They mentioned a few things in their video and there are also some notes in the menu screen
sage marten
It’ll involve charon and we may likely get a new aspect
Other than that we dunno
narrow hemlock
at least one new aspect is definitely confirmed
sage marten
I rate the next update a HUEEERRGH/Not enough Obols
Would charon again
narrow hemlock
fading gazelle
I am more exited for new foes
fading gazelle
narrow hemlock
i think items is probably going to be mostly involved in the well of charon rework
sage marten
I am sorry sir but i’ll have to ask you to walk into Asphodel for that OwO
Aye, imagined as much too
But still pretty interesting
fading gazelle
@narrow hemlock I'm sorry, but do you just have info just lying around of something?
narrow hemlock
its. its literally at the end of the march update trailer dkjshgkjs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YihXPvZHcTQ
fading gazelle
Terribly sorry let me rephrase that
ahem
Do you just have screenshots of info just lying around?
narrow hemlock
all i did was open the video, skim to the relevant part and use gyazo to snap it and upload it within a moment lmao
fading gazelle
So much effort oof
narrow hemlock
yeah takes a whole 3 seconds of my life, asking too much honestly 😔
narrow hemlock
in all seriousness, generally if i can remember where i saw smth i can pull it up pretty quickly
fading gazelle
The new Charon silhouette looks promising though
ancient plank
thoughts on bone hourglass? I have been liking it a lot for the first floor
fading gazelle
It was the first keepsake I ever unlocked and pretty much carried me through early game
However once you unlock everything else it kinda gets underwhelmed
Still 3 times the extension is nothing to scoff at
Its still a pretty great keepsake
gaunt dome
Can be especially useful in the final area, can potentially take multiple items to the final boss
fading gazelle
Damn right
narrow hemlock
honestly i wonder if they're gonna rework charon's keepsake in his update, like they did nyx's
fading gazelle
But I always like having skelly's lucky tooth or the acorn with me for the final area
deep pivot
Oh noes! I really like Bone Hourglass as it is 
(Unless they buff it then it's gucci)
fading gazelle
It honestly is great as it is
gaunt dome
I think it's fine the way it is. If I remember correctly the old nyx keepsake is a mirror upgrade now, and it's a lot better there than as a keepsake effect
deep pivot
Yes! Before, Nyx' keepsake was Dark Regeneration's effect
They changed its effect to the current one
gaunt dome
Yeah, it used to give health whenever you collected darkness I think
fading gazelle
Yeah, now they have it as a mirror upgrade which is WAY better than chthonic vitality
Why just 3 hp when you can get 15%
sharp parcel
80%
gaunt dome
I'm still on the fence with it. That healing in Styx is very important to me
sharp parcel
that's fair, but you can find darkness in shopping wells, too
fading gazelle
You can pretty much wing it by getting the ||Satyr Sack|| and dipping
ancient plank
what are the generally used keepsakes?
fading gazelle
My run usually goes something like
Boon - Boon - Purse - Tooth/Acorn
gaunt dome
I tend to start with cthonic coin purse then pick boons based on what I have
fading gazelle
It's better to get the boons at the start so you can essentially pick the gods for the rest of your run
When you get like 4 different boon types, other gods stop appearing
gaunt dome
That's true, but I prefer just letting the game decide the beginning, helps keep things fresh for me
fading gazelle
Fair enough
gaunt dome
But could probably do something more than coin purse and golden touch combo for once lol
fading gazelle
Lol but it gets the job done
orchid zealot
I just realized but i love how the shield bounces off a wall to an enemy if you hit it at the right angle lol
makes me feel like captain america
gaunt dome
Chaos aspect + dread flight = madness
fading gazelle
Preach it bruv
manic bobcat
For Chaos Shield, do you need to invest some upgrade for higher level aspect?
I have the level one aspect and it's very underwhelming
Nowhere near as hype as people make it
gaunt dome
Yeah, needs leveling to see the full potential
fading gazelle
Get two bonus shields and its pretty good
Get 5 and well...
ahem
It gets interesting
manic bobcat
Also, can the bounce hit the same target multiple times?
manic bobcat
I mean let's say you have 2 bonus shields
So 3 in total for your special
One enemy
manic bobcat
Would that enemy be hit by 3 shields?
fading gazelle
OOOOHHHH YESSS
manic bobcat
Ok sounds good!
Haha
I was scared for bossfight scenarios
Where aoe isn't that good.
gaunt dome
Last chaos run I had Artemis special along with Athena + Artemis duo with Artemis curse and pressure points giving another 10% crit change
fading gazelle
Essentially its just a simple charge and then right click their face and they're essentially dead
God bless
manic bobcat
Alrighty. Ik where my Titan blood is going toward haha
fading gazelle
Go for it dude!
manic bobcat
I beat the game like 7 times over with bow and rail.
Not a single one with meelee weapons
O.o
fading gazelle
HOW DOES ONE BEAT WITH THE RAIL
I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME USE IT
Its just so slow T^T
orchid zealot
lmao
manic bobcat
Triple Bomb bro
gaunt dome
Spread shot
fading gazelle
I did it once for the fated prophecy and never touched it again
Triple bomb basically carried me
gaunt dome
Max zag aspect with spread shot is super broken, just got to dash a lot
manic bobcat
Intent your puns. Don't be a coward.
orchid zealot
try to get +dashes and dash strike damage there's little to no delay between dash strikes for the railgun
gaunt dome
What's everyone's highest heat run?
manic bobcat
3? I'm new :D
gaunt dome
Oof only 9
orchid zealot
7 and that's on hell mode, might as well be 2 lol
fading gazelle
I just spammed till 32 with the shield cause I wanted dem amazing trinkets
gaunt dome
That's more like 12 no?
orchid zealot
oooh what hell no
gaunt dome
Yeah
orchid zealot
yeah and you have to play the max heat available
but I've only gone up 2 from the baseline lol
gaunt dome
Ah
fading gazelle
Oof
I think I tried reaching Elysium on my first hell mode run and then I died at the stupid Butterfly ball
fading gazelle
Bruv 37 is another level of pain
I am avoiding the health loss thing as much as possible
If I touch that I will never finish any run
fading gazelle
Yeah 
gaunt dome
Saw a vid of someone doing 44 heat
orchid zealot
also, the elysium witches are never not scary, no matter what build I have
actual oneshots
fading gazelle
Athena makes them look like an absolute joke
orchid zealot
true, but one bad move and your done
fading gazelle
True
gaunt dome
Nothing more annoying than having that giant ball explode in your face
fading gazelle
The exalted are more of a problem
ESPECIALLY SHIELDS AND SPEARS
GOD DAMN THEM ALL
gaunt dome
Add speed boost and popper and well...
orchid zealot
is there any reliable way to get hermes boons?
flat vapor
besides just finding them?
sharp parcel
you're guaranteed to be offered 3 of em over the course of a run
orchid zealot
oh, ok
I know the other gods had the keepsakes that guarantee them, didn't know that about hermes
fading gazelle
Offered
orchid zealot
kinda odd
flat vapor
they're reliable the way hammers are reliable
his boons don't work the same as the other olympians do
orchid zealot
so, only 3 of his boons then?
fading gazelle
You are still tasked with the choice of other stuf
I got 5 of his boons in one run
It works like this
orchid zealot
ok nice
just want to do a hermes run, tried it with the current one but they've been scarce
fading gazelle
You can essentially get 2 in any area
flat vapor
hermes can be offered multiple times, but you can only get 2 in one run (3 if you also buy the styx hermes)
fading gazelle
And 1 guaranteed at the last one
flat vapor
there's a soft max of 2 hermes boons, with a 3rd if you have the gold
fading gazelle
I got dodge, speed, attack, recall and another in one run though
It was hilarious
Disciple of Heremes
flat vapor
did you sell any
fading gazelle
But thats just for 3
flat vapor
if you didn't, it's a bug, likely
fading gazelle
I sold recall for de moony
I wasn't using casts so it seemed like the obvious choice
orchid zealot
well, rip dreams of a hermes run
fading gazelle
Its not that hard
flat vapor
hermes is a support god, more like a hammer than an actual full olympian
manic bobcat
What are some good options for Hermes boons?
orchid zealot
its not hard to get them, but you can only get 2 + paid one
fading gazelle
Yeah
paper coral
Well, he is helping on the down low
fading gazelle
Depends on your build
manic bobcat
I rarely pick anything but reload dash and att speed
fading gazelle
I always go for attack Guan Yu and Stygius
Special with shield
Dash and Speed are always great
paper coral
I like Arthur it's great
fading gazelle
If you see an Epic Dodge ALWAYS take it
paper coral
I like the damage it does
orchid zealot
my priority for hermes is movespeed -> ability speed -> dodge/dash
paper coral
I usually forget the durability
manic bobcat
Literally never pick movespeed before
fading gazelle
25% dodge for some reason translates to 60% for me
orchid zealot
lmao yeah
manic bobcat
Gotta go fast
orchid zealot
the real dream is greater haste, second wind, and drift dash
paper coral
No more than the rest of the gods
fading gazelle
He also has special lines if you have a god keepsake and get him before that selected god.
He literally says "Sorry, insert god here is running a bit late. How bout one of these to get you up instead?"
Its so minor and I love it
narrow hemlock
he has commentary about all sorts of stuff, even when you turn on the timer and turn it off again
fading gazelle
ITS SO COOL
stable zephyr
hey folks, anyone aware of discussions regarding porting to either macOS or Linux? Asking for a friend 🙂
fading gazelle
Ask ѕнσυкαι
manic bobcat
Per the FAQ maybe?
fading gazelle
They probably have it
narrow hemlock
additional platforms to be considered after 1.0. i dont believe the other games ever got ported to mac/linux though
stable zephyr
oop, sorry 👀
narrow hemlock
oh wait i stand corrected :v there were a couple
either way they havent discussed what they plan to port to, just that it will happen after launch
stable zephyr
cool, good enough for my friend's question. thanks!
narrow hemlock
i honestly dont keep up with mac/linux but yeah it may be somewhere down the line, now that im looking into it. the update next month will set up a lot of the needed framework to bring the game to other platforms, as far as we know
so bastion took about 9~10 months, transistor took 5 months, and pyre took less than a month, thats interesting
based on that i'd say if hades doesnt come out of 1.0 with an immediate mac/linux port it may be within the following month or so. no date for 1.0 yet, just later this year some time
narrow hemlock
identity of the final boss is considered a spoiler in this channel 0:
ancient plank
oh my bad I am verry sorry
fading gazelle
Pls tag it as spoiler
manic bobcat
Don't want to be fractious, but like everyone sees that coming from 10 miles away.
ancient plank
I understand
we were talking about it last night and no one seemed to care so I was not aware of the rule
manic bobcat
Yeah rules are rules. But I personally find it really funny.
paper coral
Demeter has a legendary that executes people
paper coral
It works on bosses
ancient plank
Thoughts on bow aspects? chiron vs hera?
manic bobcat
Hera is really fun.
ancient plank
Was thinking of getting hera it seems good
ancient plank
Wondering if it combos with regen cast or where you have more
manic bobcat
I'm fairly new myself so take my words with a grain of salt but I don't use Regen cast with it
Just load all the casts on one arrow and let loose
Works for me.
ancient plank
I like the regen one for melee combat as it allows me to not have to reposition myself to get the crystal back
but like if I am ranged that advantage is lost
fading gazelle
Regen cast is not that great for me 😦
paper coral
I find there is a bit of a delay on the trippy shot
fading gazelle
I feel its so limiting
I like just unloading my entire stock into the enemy and watch as boiling blood stacks more damage onto it
high island
casts that don't lodge a bloodstone:
Stygian Soul lets you do more casts/sec.
casts that lodge a bloodstone:
Infernal Soul lets you do more casts/sec on mobs that die quickly and let you pick up your bloodstones afterwards.
Stygian Soul lets you do more casts/sec on tanky enemies.
clever halo
What's the allure of cast builds? It seems like a slower way to do damage and not that much safer.
brisk trail
Thanks, Haelian, for the spoiler thumbtitle.
This exact build is no longer possible (Artemis's Legendary was kinda-sorta-not-really nerfed out of existence) but this is one of many very powerful Cast builds.
narrow ruin
wait how was he able to do that thing where he changed the boons of the next room?
brisk trail
Fated Authority, last talent on the Mirror of Night.
gaunt dome
they should make it so a core boon and exit wounds are he only pre reqs
brisk trail
Not Exit Wounds.
That disables accessing it with Trippy Shot, Slicing Shot, and Crystal Beam.
gaunt dome
but that's the whole reason they nerfed it in the first place
narrow ruin
Hmm, that video makes me rethink on builds that involve dislodging cast from foes
I always thought dislodging casts were a waste of the +50% damage from the mirror upgrade
deep pivot
This exact build is no longer possible (Artemis's Legendary was kinda-sorta-not-really nerfed out of existence) but this is one of many very powerful Cast builds.
Fully Loaded travelling through space with shooting stars
spring lava
Is the appearance rate on that legendary just bugged?
brisk trail
No.
I can't believe they effectively removed Fully Loaded for the three non-lodging Casts the same update they gave us Stygian Soul.
6 bloodestones is so underwhelming if you don't have a full-tilt Cast build, but going from 1 regenerating Cast to 4 is absolutely nuts.
upper meteor
what was artemis' legendary again
brisk trail
+3 Casts.
narrow hemlock
oh is that why I could never find fully loaded while running regen casts lmao
brisk trail
If you are like me and really like Tippy and Slicing Shot, yes.
narrow hemlock
😔
brisk trail
I think it still spawns with Stygian Soul.
narrow hemlock
I did notice I could never get it to pop up when I wanted to cast run but never really thought much about it
clever halo
So I'm looking at that video, and the first thing I see is him hitting for 441 damage. I needed a double-hammered, quadruple-booned Exagryph rocket special to manage that. His base cast is 98. Is there some hidden +crit damage % mod somewhere?
brisk trail
Maximum level Aspect of Poseidon increases Cast damage by an amount equal to 50% of its base damage.
clever halo
Ah. Which weapon is that?
brisk trail
Sword.
clever halo
Explains why I don't understand cast builds. I'm some 10 titan bloods or so from being able to use them. :p
So what's Fully Loaded do now? Wiki still shows the +3 cast.
clever halo
I has a confuse.
You also said "This exact build is no longer possible (Artemis's Legendary was kinda-sorta-not-really nerfed out of existence) but this is one of many very powerful Cast builds."
brisk trail
Fully Loaded now has two prerequisite boons, one of which is disabled from spawning if you have Trippy Shot, Slicing Shot, or Crystal Beam.
But in either case, the double prereq makes it spawning it at all extremely unlikely because picking up both Dual Shot and Exit Wounds is not likely.
clever halo
...Huh. Didn't know boons had prereqs. Might explain why I've had trouble getting certain prophecies.
Be nice if the game explained that.
If this is correct, can't you just True Shot, Dual Shot, Exit Wounds, Fully Loaded? Still takes four boons from one deity, but not impossible.
brisk trail
Getting that many Artemis boons in a row and getting the right spawns in a row is very unlikely.
It's possible.
clever halo
But it does also point out Chaos boons can get extra casts.
Of course I also can't go through Tarterus taking like two hits with any build either, certainly not at that speed.
low fiber
Getting fully loaded isn’t impossible, it’s just harder. But if you’re going for a straight Artemis dps build, it wouldn’t be unheard of
clever halo
I'm still trying to stumble through finishing the boss's second form with any weapon. All this crazy stuff with bloods and pacts is well beyond me. :p
low fiber
Artemis base + dual cast + exit wounds -> fully loaded. Hermes flurry cast -> greater recall.
- whatever mixture you want for chaos boon or privileged status
That’s a lot of boons and a lot of luck but it works
narrow ruin
is Aspect of Talos on twin fists worth it or do I stick with aspect of Zagreus
fallen violet
Sorry to interrupt, but how does one get a buttload of darkness
clever halo
Chaos boons.
quartz rapids
farming boss without heat
fallen violet
Just spam chaos
low fiber
Run a weapon with a darkness buff on a heat without bounties and spam chaos gates
clever halo
Fated Persuasion: is it once per deity, or once per run?
low fiber
FP is as many times as you have tokens for
clever halo
...So, uh, once ever?
orchid zealot
it increases in cost if you do the same boon over and over though
you can get a renovation that gives you one when you pick up a key
low fiber
Each successive roll on a particular boon goes up in cost
narrow ruin
what about my question?
low fiber
Once if you only have one upgrade, yes
clever halo
Okay, I have exactly one use of it. Is that one use per run, or one use at each deity?
orchid zealot
per run
low fiber
Talos and Zagreus are both good
clever halo
Alright. Thanks.
narrow ruin
I guess I'll try picking up Aspect of Talos to make using special worth it
otherwise I'll only be spamming attack + dash strike
I'm just stingy with Titan blood ever since I wasted them on the wrong aspects
low fiber
I find that Zagreus is better if you rely on stunlocks on heats with maxed forced overtime
orchid zealot
I saw +speed, range, and damage, and I musta blocked out the part where it says special lmao
clever halo
Hrrm, it's started occasionally saying "Ruthless!" on my kills. What's that about?
flat vapor
it's ruthless dash reacting
low fiber
Mirror upgrade
clever halo
Ah, Ruthless Reflex!
Forgot I'd just unlocked that before my last play session ended. Great for this dash-strike build though.
Hmmm, Dio or Poseidon. I've hit Aphrodite twice and she hasn't given me Heartbreak Strike...
lavish locust
I like Dio more, Hangover has more 'certain' damage
Poseidon's boons need a bit more finer maneuvering cause they can push enemies (and yourself) all over the place
brave thicket
poseidon is not that great in terms of sustainable damage, the boss needs to be close to teh wall for it to work
clever halo
Was my first sword build to make it to Elysium. Fairly tanky. Even better if I'd stop occasionally attacking instead of dash-attacking. The champs are gonna stomp me.
Down to 155 life, no DDs since Patro didn't show.
16% Different League and Quick Recovery won't be enough to save me I don't think, unless I can get Theseus down in the first 30 seconds or so.
Yeah, nope. Got him down to like 10% but close only counts in hand shoes and horse grenades.
clever halo
Does Malphon's Dash-Special still count as a Dash-Strike, or no? For Hunter Dash.
flat vapor
i believe so
clever halo
Well, that got my first win. Malphon, of all things.
Trope: Did You Just Punch Out ||NotCthulhu||?
crude trail
this run is brutal, finished the first boss with 3 seconds on the clock and the second with 28s lmao
im scared for the next stage xD
solar trail
Armor is my bane
Everytime i type i see yellow i scream
for the enemies in elysium pain me
Everytime i go to the bathroom i see that yellow, then i go to the bathroom again out of sheer terror
Btw does talking about those stuff count as spoilers?
worthy egret
Hey
solar trail
because ||It requires you to beat the game||
worthy egret
Savior benefits package
sage marten
||beating a run doesn't equal beating the game though||
solar trail
🤔
surreal yew
i bought the game 3 days ago and already have 50 hours playtime
supergiant games how could you do this to me
clever halo
Hellishly.
little ridge
Hi how can i run the game in 64x ?
sinful pine
I bought it a few days ago and yea 5 hour session straight
A few things though
A) I unlocked the spear and the special charges up a bit slow, also the followup anim is also slow unless you dash out of it, are there upgrades to bypass that?
B) can/should I give multiple nectars to one god? (Achilles ftw)
surreal yew
@sinful pine there is a hammer upgrade for faster charge and recovory
and no, nectars dont give anything extra when u use them on gods, except text lines
acoustic sand
just finished a twin fists run :3 next ill try the rail
but what is a "summon" ? i never once encountered that
but there is a "summon" key
need to check the wiki
also i still don't understand a word of the "aspect of hera" explanation lol
red coral
when you use your cast on aspect of Hera, instead of launching a bloodstone, it adds that bloodstone to your next attack. So when you attack next, you'll get both the cast damage and boon properties on top of the attack boon and properties
red coral
yup!
acoustic sand
oh ok...
red coral
you can stack multiple bloodstones into your attack too
acoustic sand
but why not improve directly the cast ?
red coral
aspects aren't about improving features of your weapons, they're about changing the way you play with them
acoustic sand
i admit i'm not a big Cast fan, i use the 3 seconds reload for the cast instead of "getting back your stone" thing
red coral
Hera is meant to encourage you to play high damage, carefully placed shots
I'd recommend mixing it up per-weapon
Hera works really well with 3 base bloodstones
even with no boons you get a bonus 150 damage to your attack
acoustic sand
yea, its true aspects tend to give your gameplay another direction and want you to use combinations of damage
chilly schooner
When you use Poseidon's greater call, he says "You can do this little Hades". Shouldn't he say Zagreus?
chilly schooner
I considered that but it still sounded off to me
acoustic sand
maybe its very polite in the aquatic world
@red coral yea ive seen people say its rly effective before but idk i guess i'm not enjoying the cast too much atm so i don't really want to place the cast at the center of my gameplay, but i bet it deals damage all right - i'm more oriented towards the dash and specials
red coral
I used to be the same! It wasn't until about 20 hours into my experience that I started experimenting with cast builds
I wouldn't write them off just yet, experiment and see where the game takes you!
acoustic sand
same with status effects really, i know its very effective but i don't know yet exactly how it works and how to use it the best way, so i improved the "% damage per olympian's boon" instead
red coral
I used to be a dasher but now I really enjoy builds that require me to get up close and personal with my enemies
sage marten
yeah
even if you don't make it to the end of it a run spent experimenting is a run well spent
red coral
If you're interested in status builds, try a rail attack + dionysus attack with Ares or Aphrodite on special
acoustic sand
its already great for me to discover i can enjoy weapons i never thought i would enjoy xD kudos for the game making us vary
red coral
or Bow + Dio special and Ares/Aphro on attack
acoustic sand
oh shiz now i remember ! Dionysus gives Nectar ! I'm trying to farm nectar today and i didn't even remember
lmao
acoustic sand
i mean, i love the dash / special combo, plus its great for not growing tired of clicking like a crazed WoW progamer, but its great to discover new stuff, ofc
atm id say i like the comfort of discovering weapons with the attack, dash and special more than the cast but i'm trying to use the cast...it's just...slow but with some boons very effective
my fav weapons are the distance weapons i should love the cast at some point lol
red coral
Cast Ares + support artemis used to be the meta haha
also I'm gonna move us to #h1-builds-and-combat since we're talkin builds!
acoustic sand
yea, you're right
narrow hemlock
@chilly schooner Poseidon always calls zag little hades, it's not just the call, that's just how he refers to zag. it's not any different from ares calling zag "my kin" or aphrodite using more affectionate things like "my dear" and stuff like that, some of the gods just refer to zag differently
chilly schooner
Ahh I see. I should have noticed that sooner!
acoustic sand
also cause he's little
wind nest
What kind of new mirror upgrades would you guys want to see in the game?
I know we just had a doubling of them, but if you got to make your own mirror upgrade what would it be?
clever halo
I would like to see something that runs off of (or self-inflicts) damage, for those Earring/Dio builds where you want to hover around 30-40% life.
High risk, high reward.
wind nest
Maybe like, "Bonus damage between 40 to 60 percent health"?
clever halo
More "when you take damage, increase speed by X/Y/Z% for 2 sec" or "your X deals +X/Y/Z damage/percent damage, but deals 1 damage to you."
wind nest
That reads more like a weapon aspect
than a mirror upgrade
mirror upgrades = unambiguous upgrade
weapon aspects = tradeoffs
clever halo
Well, it would be unambiguous if you're going for that build anyhow. 😉
brisk trail
Question, so I just got Hades and the Adamant Rail seems to be missing from the collection of weapons. Will it appear and be unlockable as I play?
wind nest
Yes
brisk trail
Oh alright thanks
sage marten
Sisyphus’
brisk trail
Conch Shell.
wind nest
The one that does bonus damage to far away enemies is not very useful
What about a mirror upgrade that was "+% damage per boon from the god you have the most boons from"?
quaint bramble
I really like Distant Memory actually. I might be inclined to agree with feather duster unless you have regen increasing boons like Demeter’s.
sage marten
@brisk trail how dare you
brisk trail
Nothing to screw up a run like knockback breaking all of your combos.
sage marten
It would appear i must enlighten you to the glory of our lord and saviour poseidon dash
brisk trail
I have more playtime than you. I've tried it.
Unless you meme like Haelian and get it to level 30 and 200 damage I'd rather have Blade Dash.
clever halo
Hrrm. I could think of a use for Poseidon Dash, but that use is to get people away from me in cast builds. And I haven't actually tested that.
brisk trail
Yeah, Tidal Dash mostly appears on Nemesis and Malphon runs.
terse geyser
@brisk trail I zerged the final boss with nothing but Lv. 5 splash dash + rupture
you don't need to get it to very high level at all for it to be good
mortal palm
tidal dash has by far the highest damage of any dash(that isn't blade rift with boons) yes
brisk trail
And the knockback is almost always worse than having an additional effect from a different Dash.
fallen violet
how does dash work as a mechanic?
brisk trail
You press the button and Zagreus zips forward a certain distance, complete with i-frames and modifying your Attack.
fallen violet
I FRAMES
my favorite phrase
Sick
I just wanted to confirm the i frames
good to know
brisk trail
If you dash attack you cancel your invincibility.
fallen violet
oh thats really good to know
brisk trail
Poseidon is treated as a joke in-game.
sage marten
His dialogue says joke
His dash says i’m melting rooms like it’s not my business
Clearly the facts speak louder than what the other gods may say
narrow hemlock
can we just agree to play what boons we like 😔
brazen jewel
I *think* people here silently agreed upon that and are just joking.
sage marten
pretty much aye
narrow hemlock
eh well discussions about what aspects are objectively better or worse are inevitable regardless, but i also was not really being serious
solar trail
No u can only play artemis boons because she is best girl
fallen violet
Can we talk about artemis boons
I feel like they do less than they should
idk tho, maybe I play it wrong
It just feels like the effects are too weak
I'd have to experiment more with it
quaint bramble
I feel like Artemis is almost broken. Mostly used in conjunction with other abilities, used on her own without hammers, Chaos Gates or other gods I can see where you’re coming from.
brisk trail
Artemis is the best god in the game, hands down.
Hell, you give Pressure Points to any other Olympian and they'd skyrocket up the tier list, too.
heavy parrot
the thing is crit strike is essentially a %damage up if you are attacking enough, which means that it scales better than pretty much all other damage-ups in the game considering almost everything else is additive
fallen violet
I suppose thats fair
prime violet
Artemis cast is the best cast in Elysium with a proper cast build like Poseidon's Aspect
compact gyro
The real question though is... who looks better?
Cos who really cares about boons when you have aesthetic
prime violet
if you mean attacks, then Zeus attacks look the most badass to me imho. Character art... Artemis wins
heavy parrot
i don't actually care whether the boons are good i decide which god i wanna hang out with
artemis is the sweetest of the gods
compact gyro
Art - Ares
Attacks... artemis looks pretty nice on a lot of things
That dash strike looks sweet
compact gyro
Cos hes got style
Ares is best boi - he just needs a little love to make him as usable as the other gods
narrow hemlock
im weak and biased and will almost always go for an ares boon if i see one. its a terrible habit, i just love him and want to hear him 🥴
compact gyro
I want a duo between him and dio just cos i feel like they could quite smoothly sass off eachother
Ares winning obviously though
Btw how do you get a coloured name? Been on the server a while and never seen how
narrow hemlock
#bot-commands
compact gyro
Ohhh thanks
sage marten
out of sheer curiosity, does anything happen if you use the same call as Theseus do?
sage marten
sad
broken vault
oh the tensions of having help from the same god though, hilarious
compact gyro
Theres a extremely slim chance you can have all the gods when seeing theseus
If so he just uses a random god
narrow hemlock
its probably determined more by what call you have
heavy parrot
you CAN i believe though use a god's call in a trial room where that god is actively fighting you
broken vault
O:
brisk trail
You should hit F10.
narrow hemlock
yeah the call is still supposed to go off, but zag will apologize or make a comment about it being awkward. if your call didnt go off thats not intended
broken vault
wow, i need to try that the next i play. I’d like to hear some of those lines myself now
mortal palm
so uh question ||is there special SPECIAL dialog if you use the full call bar inside a trial like that||
narrow hemlock
not that i recall
flint fossil
Haelian somehow got an extra dash in one chamber and then it left the next while on 50 heat 
terse geyser
Hey, why would you report it?
Traitor.
brisk trail
There is, @mortal palm
mortal palm
hmm
narrow hemlock
is it really that different from the one charges though, i dont really remember any significant change
brisk trail
Yeah, the Olympian in question calls you out.
Individual charges has a line from Zag.
"Sorry!" or "Olympus?" mostly.
Artemis says "Did you just--!?" instead of "Picked up their scent!"
narrow hemlock
i remember those but i kinda just consider them in a similar vein to zag's commentary so its not a huge change to me
its neat that they made the decision to allow zag and the gods to remark in such a situation at all though
deep pivot
OMG I want to know all their lines now 
narrow hemlock
theres prob like 3-4 variants for each god, knowing sgg 😂
blazing tartan
I encountered a bug yesterday but didn't realise F10 was the bug report option
is there anyway to report it afterwards? 😦
brisk trail
I assume there's only one or two fewer responses than you have for regular GCs.
high island
Still F10 within the game for bug reports, even if it's late. That will give them info about your setup that might help them, too.
sharp trench
Why would someone hate the sandbox suggestion 
blazing tartan
ah, guess it'll have to do. I guess I can link to the steam picture anyways?
fallen violet
Is it just me or are melee weapons underpowered? Specifically the sword
sinful star
The sword, I would say is awkward for me to use.
Spear too, but the fists are my style.
steady lantern
Defo not underpowered
flat vapor
pumping blood into zag sword makes it a bit safer
terse geyser
zag aspect with drift dash and haste is the best build
lavish locust
Fists are my fave for their sheer speed & moveset
paper coral
Arthur has decent damage too
sour nebula
wow no features on epic game store, really regret buying from there
sour nebula
yeah okay
acoustic sand
yea Steam is better...
digital gale
Is there an official guitar tab to The God of The Dead Soundtrack?
brisk trail
Not yet.
digital gale
d'aww
hollow bane
Do I need to do anything to unlock Malphon besides spend currency?
brisk trail
Runs, I think.
hollow bane
How many runs do I need to do to unlock em?
sharp parcel
don't you just need keys to unlock em?
hollow bane
nvm they showed up
wary willow
Any news whens the next update like a date?
flat vapor
just somewhere in june
sharp parcel
going by the previous updates, probably middle of June
fallen violet
Remember the discussion about using a call of a god that you are fighting
Just happened to me by complete accident
"Well this is awkward"
lavish locust
It's kind of hilarious it still works, though im not complaining XD
orchid zealot
got to the final boss with 243 health, and lost it all after getting caught by the vase and laser beamed
thank god for stubborn defiance
sinful star
Yep!
orchid zealot
I like it, If I'm low after a room and I find a way to die I get some healing
sinful star
I will make mistakes. Having a cushion is good.
orchid zealot
- with the styx stuff you can buy in wells + patrocles, it makes it pretty good
fallen violet
Maybe its better on higher difficulties
paper coral
I mean I still prefer the 3 charges
manic bobcat
Stubborn defiance and the Skull earrings can be a nice combo I suppose
sinful star
Wait, which is which?
I use the one with three charges.
Not the one for each room.
orchid zealot
stubborn is each room, death is 3 charges
paper coral
3 defiance is the purple one
quaint bramble
I prefer 3 charges, especially since I don’t have to juggle room charges. Death defiance gives charges, stubborn is room to room
orchid zealot
I use stubborn
sinful star
Yeah, I never really went with stubborn aside from just list-filling.
But I'm sure it could work.
lavish locust
i usually take stubborn defiance cause i tend to take a lot of accidental damage than big damage
so i just die heal up in between when im low and go to the next room with a higher percentage
orchid zealot
It may as well be the same as the boon that heals you if you're below a threshold
high island
I've thought of giving Stubborn Defiance a try on 32 ||heat|| next time.
fallen violet
casual 543 health
lavish locust
i dont like spending coin on the styx replenish tho, it's 200 coin apiece rather than stacking the 10/50
oh yes, it is a bit broken if you get more than 300 health
orchid zealot
big, big health, little tiny boons
lavish locust
chaos boons are dope for that
one of my runs was x2 chaos +life boons and that was nearly extra 200 HP without all the hearts i got lol
tho i wasn't doing enough damage to last so i got wiped in the end
paper coral
Are you using the special?
fallen violet
oh yeah
paper coral
It cuts the damage by 25%
fallen violet
Its 20% base I think
paper coral
Honestly, I wouldn't upgrade it
paper coral
At least not yet since it's already strong on it's own
You have to stand on the holy ground to do so
fallen violet
Time to brute force ||hades||
paper coral
I mean you can also bump up other aspects
fallen violet
And insta die
high island
Might as well get it up to Lv.5. Titan Blood isn't that rare.
fallen violet
that was easy
sour dust
OH yeah i was wondering there was a way to backup saves?
since i heard somewhere that the game isn't cloud supported on steam
sharp parcel
it does support Steam Cloud
you can manually backup your saves located at \Documents\Saved Games\Hades
sour dust
thanks a bunch!!
fallen violet
I finished the game with all weapons
I think I beat the game like 7 times today
thats crazy
paper coral
It's great isn't it?
acoustic sand
F
@fallen violet to quote Zagreus to his father ||when you're done talking about snow, can we get on with brutally trying to kill each other||
remote lily
To Anyone who wants to buy Hades, on Epic its -20% and you can use coupon to lower the prize to like 9.99$
Anyone who owns Epic account got 1 coupon as for new Sale started.
Checked out for US : 24.99$ -20% sale = 19.99 and then the coupon is 10$ == Hades for 9.99$
brisk trail
I just got Hades this way
I got GTAV got the coupon got Assassins creed odyssey got another coupon got hades and got another coupon lol! Best game sale ever!!
Dare I say this game sale is better than any steam sale I’ve experienced personally.
This is hands down the best rougelike I’ve ever played. To me it’s better than deadcells by miles.
solar trail
Ok, Tim Sweeney
paper coral
I don't trust epic
rugged glacier
yo, I have a problem in ||erebus||: because of the flames from the portals, and the lighting inside that place, I can't tell wether a boon has the glowing stars effect or not. Should I report this as a bug, or does this go somewhere else?
acoustic sand
Epic has good prices and offers, but its a pain compared to Steam
at least for me. Steam is so comfortable
I got Subnautica free on Epic but...still, i uninstalled it :/
but yea they've got good prices. But its so comfy to have all your games on sth as polished as Steam library
can't get myself to like GoG, Blizzard and other platforms
tall fox
finally done with fish codexes, can't believe it actually took me longer to get last lava fish rather than chaos fish 😄
acoustic sand
gratz !
swift hawk
Hey everyone ! New player here I picked the game up a few days ago and I don’t know if the people who make the game will see this but I absolutely love it and thank you for making it !
Anyway, was just going to ask what weapon people like to run with to see if there’s a clear favourite? Personally I roll with the shield the vast majority of the time
brave thicket
no clear favorite afaik
acoustic sand
my favorite to play is the bow but i'm not crazy effective with it, id say what i enjoy is tier 1 : bow / sword 2 : rail / fists 3 spear / shield
i did enjoy shield a lot at first but then i grew tired of bashing manically mobs with it and sending it everywhere to little effect
i guess it's very good when you know what you're doing with it lol
high island
@rugged glacier that would go into #hades-feedback.
Right now I like Zagreus Aspect Malphon the most. That might change anytime, though.
rough flax
new here, got the game recently. game by FAR exceeded my expectations. Question, for boons that add "your Attack deals +x% damage." does that include dash attacks ?
high island
Yes.
rough flax
awesome thanks 🙂
how would you describe this game to someone ? it's like what I wish Gauntlet Legends on steam was, or PoE meets Smite lol
acoustic sand
I say "it's a emo rock version of greek hell" but then people say i'm a nerd
so i just say it's great
tall fox
roguelite beat'em up. similar to dead cells but combat is so much better and satisfying
and lore is 10/10
solar trail
it feels like a rogue lite of bastion mixed in with percy jackson
solar trail
percy jackson is more accessible than greek mythos somehow
acoustic sand
for sure, yea,but as a kid i used to read many tales and legends and those were very accessible books for kids
but Percy Jackson isn't bad, i just dk if that's really a good intro to greece lol
but maybe
its a little too american for my taste for advising it as an introduction to greek myths
the books are interesting tho
solar trail
its terrible intro into greece
its meant as somewhat of a parody isnt it
the gods all travel to the most advanced place and thats why theyre all in america now kek
acoustic sand
its...yea...i feel like you enjoy it more as some sort of comics based on a universe you already know
solar trail
most of the things go over your head if you dont have knowledge of greek myths
acoustic sand
oh well nothing surprising here, USA, USA, as usual
lol
yea exactly
i feel like you enjoy it if you already have notions
i read it on my phone one day waiting for a plane then in it, and it reads very pleasantly, i'm afraid the movies are not great tho
it's ofc not a very serious adaptation of greece lol
id say still better, much better than 300
prime violet
so did Orpheus always look like that in Greek mythology or did the devs took inspiration from Neil Gaiman?
acoustic sand
i'm pretty sure Opheus didn't look like a goth in Greek mythology
but i still like
rugged glacier
@high island thanks
solar trail
i thought orpheus was wamen at first
sage marten
I wonder if it’s a Sandman reference
Orpheus does look like Dream
prime violet
At least Meg and her sisters didn't rip his body to shreds this time
sage marten
wasn't that the maenads?
sinful star
Did they call them that because they went up to Orpheus and said "Mae nads now!" before attacking him?
prime violet
oh right, those were bacchantes
patent topaz
get mae naed
crystal wasp
Can someone help me?
crystal wasp
im missing a keepsake and i dont know witch one
flat vapor
you can check in your codex, whoever you haven't given your nectar/ambrosia yet
fallen violet
Actually you might want to do this in spoilers
flat vapor
asides hades, of course
vast junco
yeah
fallen violet
?
crystal wasp
do u just keep on doing pacts
fallen violet
Level 3 keepsake?
crystal wasp
no
vast junco
oh the big bottom ones
crystal wasp
yea
crystal wasp
so its not avaible?
flat vapor
not in the early game
flat vapor
the game is meant to be replayed
crystal wasp
yes i am replaying
narrow hemlock
chthonic companions are obtained after leveling specific character's affection to a a high level
crystal wasp
you mean in the mirror?
fallen violet
no
narrow hemlock
no, gifting nectar to certain characters
narrow hemlock
once their level is high enough usually you have to do an additional task for them before you'll get the companion
vast junco
their "heart bar" in the codex
continually gifting nectar until you can gift ambrosia
crystal wasp
oh i see
but there is only 5 gold buffs
how do i know witch ones to gift
just guess?
vast junco
right, only a select few characters can give you those
crystal wasp
exactly
vast junco
they're pretty prominent characters
narrow hemlock
think about characters that zagreus has especially close connections with
a few of the choices are glaringly obvious when you consider it that way
vast junco
np
narrow hemlock
you can always ask in spoilers if you're stuck and want to know which specific characters you need, or check the wiki
lavish locust
talk, give nectar and make a like about 20 or 40 more runs ngl
crystal wasp
yea i just realized that i can gift more nectars
lavish locust
small hint: ||the bottom keepsakes (more accurately, companions) are not given by characters who give you boons||
crystal wasp
i thought that yea
lavish locust
tho the RNG might not be as kind so it's up to luck to see if you even access the specific narrative threads
hence the 20 to 40 runs lol
crystal wasp
yea i am just re-running the game now but sometimes they just say random stuff
so i dont progress
games fun tho
narrow hemlock
considering theres like 15k lines of audio in game at present, there is often times a lot of dialogue to cycle through before you get what you need
lavish locust
15k
narrow hemlock
yeah
lavish locust
well, i have no choice but to stan
narrow hemlock
i saw mention of it somewhere, and i know earlier in the year i saw either a dev here or maybe it was sgg twitter remark on 10k+
lavish locust
gosh supergiant has always been a fave and now i love them even more?
crystal wasp
idk i just play this game because its different from lol and chess
narrow hemlock
and remember that there isnt a single character they consider done with content rn
lavish locust
ayye
crystal wasp
would be hard to mess up this game
lavish locust
Supergiant games are pretty narrative heavy but are great cause if you want you can skip everything to beat the central mechanics
lavish locust
haaah hissy bro i struggle with the +HP heats, don't do this to me lol
acoustic sand
lmao
narrow hemlock
i saw someone not long ago say the narrative is what made the m not like hades much lmao and they liked bastion the most, i guess as each game got more narrative heavy they disliked them more bc they specifically wanted more focus on gameplay
lavish locust
different stroke different folks
narrow hemlock
yeah, for sure. but narrative is one of the primary things the studio is known for
lavish locust
ohh
fallen violet
I think I was missing out
lavish locust
im the lore/storymode kind of player so usually once i finish a game i don't go back to it
but this
narrow hemlock
theyre all still good, but i personally found bastion hard to go back to, being the first title and all, and with much slower combat. but it is neat going back to the previous works and seeing pieces of each game made better in hades
lavish locust
it's low long term stakes, like you won't mess up your save if you do something dumb cause it resets every run
fallen violet
Dude
lavish locust
i like that cause im afraid of commitment lmao
fallen violet
I'm looking at supergiant games right now
Like the other games
They look like the same style as hades
top down
lavish locust
yes!
fallen violet
sorta
lavish locust
2.5 isometric
lavish locust
it's the signature of Supergiant
worth it ngl
i especially love Transistor's music
lavish locust
hard to say, define your kind of replayable
lavish locust
the Transistor storyline is pretty linear? so maybe a few notches down, can clear it in a few hours
lavish locust
Pyre is fantasy football, so yes, pretty replayable with the deck builder aspect
quaint bramble
Transistor and Bastion function like Hades in that there is a lot of build variation. I’m playing through Transistor now and I like how it does the same thing Hades does where it encourages/forces you to change up your loadout.
So yes, there is some replayability. I found more of that in Bastion than Transistor so far
fallen violet
When I like a game
I LIKE a game
I have 3000 hours in team fortress 2
I have a problem
lavish locust
understandable
fallen violet
1000 in garrys mod
lavish locust
it's not bad to very very like something, i think it's great