i could imagine them showing up as secret bosses
#h1-discussion
rapid bear
Like uh, imagine if you get the chance to anger the same god 3 times in a run (say there's 1 guaranteed trial of the gods per region, minus styx)
fading prairie
After hades boss fight, we will go to the olympus and Wouldn't it be nice if we fight other gods of Olympos? I think this should be it.
sage marten
shrug
I’m not even sure if it would make sense story-wise
Would be great as optional boss fights i’ll give you that
fading prairie
I hope like that within full game
narrow hemlock
please remember final boss is considered spoilers!
I'm not sure there would be any additional boss fights though. If anything maybe something in one of the other biomes but I think the final boss is intended to remain the final boss :/a
fading prairie
that would be bad as i said that is not enough for how is good this game
vast junco
they've been pretty clear about having no plans to add further areas beyond styx
and yeah the prospect of fighting the gods on Olympus really... would not make much narrative sense
shy relic
the pact to add 20% more enemies to encounters...do these 20% also drop gold? So while we basically have to fight more enemies we also earn more money?
vast junco
yes
narrow hemlock
think people sometimes forget the story is just as important as the gameplay, things aren't going to get added if they don't make sense to the story sgg wants to tell, no matter how "good" it would make the game
Then again I did see someone say on steam forum the other day that the story isn't important in hades lmao
alpine stratus
i try to keep an open mind and accept that all playstyles bring enjoyment to ppl but i am still a little boggled when ppl do not care abt the story part in hades
worthy egret
Same
narrow hemlock
like I get that hades is decently popular in the roguelike community rn but sgg is literally known for the narrative aspect of their games
I can't wrap my head around someone thinking the story of an sgg game isn't important rofl
regal junco
Same
Also
Personally I feel like the feedback is sometimes kind of infeasible
Each new thing they add is so extensive and high quality
Its just I dont know
spring lava
I won't fault anybody for how they want to enjoy the game but ignoring the story in a supergiant game is like playing an Uchikoshi game for the puzzles
"I enjoy Fallen London for the exquisite gameplay"
elder sedge
suppose someone says they play a supergiant game for the music and not the story
what are you going to do? 😄
narrow hemlock
sgg is also known for their soundtracks tho
elder sedge
just kidding, I know
narrow hemlock
the music, narrative and art are typically their three big things people recognize them for
elder sedge
I think Hades is great cause there's way too much story bits
i.e. I've played Transistor and it was enough (what, like 10 something hours) for the entire story
meanwhile I've gotten a lot more hours already in Hades while it's in EA and I still haven't learned everything
I think it's not about the story as something complete, but more about the worldbuilding
or maybe I'm rambling
sage marten
daily reminder that virginia only wants to eat your soul and you should have voted shoshana
also yeah, hades has a surprising amount of background for what it is ngl
alpine stratus
personally i play supergiant games for the sound effects
shut up zag im trying to hear the boon noise
(jk jk)
hoary urchin
I unlocked and did literally everything in the game. then my save got deleted.
would i be banned if I used cheats on my second run?
narrow hemlock
did you ever check the faq for seeing if your save is still in your files lmao
hoary urchin
yeah i did everything
i had 200 hours on my save file. it took me ages to collect all those gems
so im planning on starting a new save file, just wondering if i would get banned if i cheated on the gems
narrow hemlock
I mean they don't ban people for in game actions afaik, it's all single player content and there is no online feature. just don't parade it around whatever you choose to do 🤷♂️
spring lava
Zag has such a good blend of mild disinterest and scorn in his lines with dad
hoary urchin
i beat the game on 20 heat and 32 heat already, i just dont wanna grind for them gems again 😦
thanks
narrow hemlock
mood
brave tapir
you what
spring lava
Extremely damn valid
hoary urchin
when i say I did literally everything, i meant i literally did everything
brave tapir
tho I'm not in a place to judge i guess, I'm playing bc I'm thirsty for nyx
she's just
narrow hemlock
I see an ares boon, I pick up the ares boon, I am simple and easy to please
hoary urchin
shes like your mother tho
spring lava
@hoary urchin a suggestion was made yesterday of asking around here and the speedrunning community for late game saves
brave tapir
wish my mom was like that
narrow hemlock
You can like a character as like. YOU like that character, and not involve zag you know
spring lava
I can't send mine because I'm not terribly late game yet
brave tapir
anyway she's like a mother to zag and to me she's attractive. her design is On Point™
spring lava
Her design is soooo good
narrow hemlock
Given some of her lines, that may be intentional. she helps zag but she still has authority over things
hoary urchin
i mean, i was wrong after talking to her a bunch of times
but when i first saw her on the screen, i thought she would def betray you
brave tapir
i guess I'm too horny on main or smth bc when i saw her redisign I literally went WOW HOT
flat vapor
tbf, her character was changed from an entirely motherly figure to a little more aloof one
hoary urchin
well not betray
that was a bad use of words
just that she has her own agenda and cant be trusted
narrow hemlock
she's supportive of zag but she's also not meant to be like. Your caring mother figure that supports you through everything you do and say, she still has her own role within the house that sometimes contradicts what zag thinks
hoary urchin
but i was wrong
brave tapir
nah i get what you're saying anskskc i just say it didn't cross my mind like once
flat vapor
she has her authority and she's not afraid of using it, and it's clear that she has a higher position despite him being the prince
narrow hemlock
yes
brave tapir
yep
narrow hemlock
that's what I was trying to get at lmao
spring lava
Yeah, she isn't 100% on zag's side. she does things Zag really really doesn't like sometimes
flat vapor
that was handled great in ||her and dusa's convo line, where dusa's fired and zag gets mad at nyx||
hoary urchin
oh yeah, when zag was angry at nyx. it actually startled me
i was not expecting it, and angry zag is kinda scary
fk i should spoiler that
flat vapor
||nyx doesn't back down just bc zag is like a son to her, which changed my image of her quite a bit||
brave tapir
seeing him angry was really curious
since he's introduced as more, like
chill character
idk how to explain
spring lava
I hope the game goes into Hades and Nyx' co-dependent relationship at some point. Because from where I'm standing, Nyx has all the power, she just likes that Hades is better at managing things
hoary urchin
yeah, cause its always hades that does the angry exclamation mark thing. when zag did it, it was so unxpected
narrow hemlock
||zag also says at one point he didn't always get along with nyx||
brave tapir
@hoary urchin yeah yeah
hoary urchin
well zag doesnt seem to get a long with anyone
he had a strained relationship with his two romance interests
in the beginning
brave tapir
he literally said ❗ and I'm just sitting here like ohhh what did you just do boi
tbh I don't see his relationship with than as strained
thanatos is just a tsundere
flat vapor
tbf, zag's actions does put literally everybody else in the underworld against him
narrow hemlock
zag is an impulsive boy who acts before he thinks a lot of the time, that can easily get a person in trouble even out of hell lmao
final boss spoilers
hoary urchin
meg calls you crazy and an idiot
flat vapor
meg might be ||zag's ex, but that doesn't mean she wants to kill him multiple times, repeatedly||
hoary urchin
how do i tag spoilers here?
narrow hemlock
on desktop it's /spoiler text on mobile it's ||text||
brave tapir
well zag is a BOY™ who wants something and doesn't really think about how his actions impact other people around him and not everyone is hypnos who doesn't really care and just cheerfully greets zag every time our boy gets out of the pool
hoary urchin
thanks
brave tapir
thanks (2)
narrow hemlock
the backslash command has never worked for me on mobile tho a friend never had problems so ymmv
flat vapor
it's a bad situation all around
if you're on desktop, you can also highlight what words you want to spoil and click the eye icon that appears
hoary urchin
i thought the reason meg keeps killing you is because she doesnt want you to leave
flat vapor
she's forced to, by hades
narrow hemlock
She's under orders
hoary urchin
nobody in the underworld does, but they accept it eventually
flat vapor
hades is hanging her job on her head
narrow hemlock
She even says right at the beginning she'd rather have zag on her bad side than hades.
hoary urchin
she hasnt seen angry zag
brave tapir
meg is pretty conflicted about the situation, she's forced to kill zag, but she doesn't really want him to leave either
but if she could i really don't think she'd whoop his ass every time he jumps outta that pink window
sage marten
yeah, meg is forced by her job to murder him, if you advance her convos long enough she outright says it like that
hoary urchin
but people in the underworld think shes going easy on you
flat vapor
than's mad bc zag didn't bother to tell him that he was leaving, which is fair if you're never gonna see the man again
narrow hemlock
well someone has to be the easiest boss in the game 🥴
brave tapir
isn't Tisiphone the easiest boss in the game
flat vapor
but than still takes the risk of losing his job to help zag out anyway
sage marten
yeah, i think meg is just not stronk enough
the furies are as strong as she is, give or take
brave tapir
@flat vapor after zag told him he doesn't need his help
i mean there's literally a conversation that goes like
|| heard you need help - well actually i told you not to help me - DID I ASK YOU?? ||
sage marten
yeah, it doesn't really help that thanatos seems to come across as someone who has a hard time expressing himself
hoary urchin
thanatos says the other gods treat him like crap. cept hermes and ares
worthy egret
||NO YOU DEADBEAT||
narrow hemlock
The other olympian gods are known to see chthonic gods as... lesser, you could say
flat vapor
to me, i see it as ||your best friend deciding to leave and never see you or your family again, in search of a woman who walked out on him||
brave tapir
i mean than is rather constipated emotionally and the fact he wants to help zag doesn't really help their situation, but i guess it would be easier for thanatos to leave zag alone and let him die and do his work
narrow hemlock
it's repeatedly pointed out they tend to not involve themselves in the affairs of the underworld
brave tapir
i mean, it's rational
flat vapor
i understand than's and zag's view on the whole situation
if zag was a little more patient and sat down with both meg and than about what he was planning to do, things wouldn't be so Complicated™️
brave tapir
they just don't know how to talk to each other about it
well and also the fact that if they did we wouldn't have enough dialogue for 50+ plays
flat vapor
but he didn't, and both of their routes deal with the fallout of that
brave tapir
oop-
hoary urchin
||im hoping your mother was the one who sent skelly||
since no one seems to know where he came from
||so at least she didnt completely abandon him||
flat vapor
fyi, ||spoiler|| also works on desktop
worthy egret
Doesnt Hades say ||RETURN TO YOUR POST!|| to Skelly
sage marten
we don't really know what happened about ||Persephone||
brave tapir
@flat vapor I don't really see them dealing with the fallout, maybe I didn't play enough but all i see is ||meg telling zag to screw off and than being the most tsunderish god I've ever seen in media||
hoary urchin
he says to skelly IDENTIFY YOURSELF
worthy egret
OHh
hoary urchin
and also WHO IS THIS CLOUT or something like that
brave tapir
i like your theory
flat vapor
@brave tapir i believe it's discussed when you go down their nectar and ambrosia routes, though it's been a while since i've played them
brave tapir
I'm currently trying to woo the death boy
and i just. i don't know how to describe what I feel about than and zag's dialogues
guess i really have to play more
because for now it has been exactly one (1) jab about zag trying to leave and not telling thanatos about it and then it's endless awkwardness
idk maybe I'm too old and don't count this as solving their stuff out
flat vapor
two teen boys who can't communicate for the sake of angst, sounds like every fanfic i've read
and it's delicious
brave tapir
and one of them is shy and tsun-tsun
really delicious
i wanted to go through Meg's route too but ended up thinking she's too good for zag
spring lava
tbf, zag's actions does put literally everybody else in the underworld against him
@flat vapor As much as I like Zag, I 100% agree with this. I don't know how close to the end of the story SGG had in mind we are, but I honestly kind of hope that Zag gets burned even a little bit for this?
narrow hemlock
really weird seeing than being referred to as a "teen" when he knew zag's mother. zag doesn't even know his own mother. I mean I understand you're going for how they act but lmao meg and the twins are waaaaay older
brave tapir
didn't see it yet
spring lava
in asphodel
brave tapir
if you don't count people around him being big sad and disappointed
OH
snsnsjxjxkc
flat vapor
@narrow hemlock it was also a slight jab at Ao3 :v
worthy egret
I mean. Them being big sad and dissapointed hurts zag a lot im very sure
narrow hemlock
OH yes well I can't say I really... read much thanzag lmao
brave tapir
I've read everything there is and hooo boy am I entirely disappointed
flat vapor
zag has a lot of issues he doesn't really show bc he's so singularly focused on one thing
worthy egret
Like there were points where i was just shrinking in my seat cause there was a baaad convo ir smth abd i just felt a bad tense atmosphere in the house
flat vapor
i'm scared that he's gonna get out, find something that doesn't fit what he wants, and immediately lose it
worthy egret
But that might just be me
narrow hemlock
may I suggest brachydios work for delightful characterization
brave tapir
you may
worthy egret
Brachydios sounds familiar i may have read smth of theirs
worthy egret
As a soul hungry for megzag and thanzag, and just generally zag,
flat vapor
once again, i am bamboozled by that author's name into thinking that's a ship name
brave tapir
maybe I'm too into angst but i really want to see zag being entirely disappointed with what he sees and finds
making his quest absolutely useless
narrow hemlock
brachydios? that's a monster hunter monster
worthy egret
I don't know if i want it ti be useless
I do know i dont want him leaving everyone behind
brave tapir
well he can't sit on two chairs at the same time
sage marten
i don't think he is, but i don't think he'll be able to fully leave the underworld either, if only to justify the gameplay loop
worthy egret
^
narrow hemlock
I don't want zag to leave everyone but then there's that one thing he said to chaos that leaves me 😬
sage marten
maybe he's ||bound to the underworld like his mother is because contrivances||
spring lava
I wouldn't want absolutely useless, but maybe just learning that the realm of the living isn't that great because Olympians are the pettiest jerks ever created and just make people's lives hell
worthy egret
What did he say?
flat vapor
imo ||persephone should be characterized as a Bad Mom™️ since she walked out on him, but sgg might justify her actions?||
which, sure, i'm okay with, a little
sage marten
nyx's dialogue does imply it was somewhat justified
brave tapir
she was probably fed up by hades
sage marten
or at least that ||she had reasons to leave||
brave tapir
he did steal her from the world of the living
flat vapor
but it's like, i think the pain of a neglectful parent should be focused on
brave tapir
or, well, i think that's what will be used as a crutch for the story
flat vapor
in a story like this, where all the events stem from that parent
worthy egret
I just dont want my heart torn and stepped on
Maybe only torn out
And then put back
Some bandaids on it too
brave tapir
I'm just generally curious where all of this is going
Some bandaids on it too
@worthy egret isn't that cute
flat vapor
it's the morality of a story vs the fantasy of the story, is ||persephone's apparent bad morals gonna be justified by some greek myth fantasy stuff? is the theme of the game gonna take a backseat to that?||
idk, i'm just rambling
brave tapir
i don't see the game as having this sort of morality in the first place like
worthy egret
I just don't want for Zag to end horribly and for him to lose what matters and what he's worked so hard to fix
flat vapor
when i say morality, i mean like the themes and messages the story is basing itself on
brave tapir
yeah, i get it
flat vapor
i understand that, arti, and this game has always been light-hearted compared to sgg's other games
i just want the situation of the game to be given the weight it deserves
brave tapir
i guess i just don't see it, again, bc to me the game has that kind of a theme, but low-key and it's mostly still stuff based on myths where you can kick shades into non-existance
i just want the situation of the game to be given the weight it deserves
@flat vapor is it really that heavy tho
like yeah zag didn't have a mom and was raised by adoptive parent like he was her own (literal quote)
happens all the time, doesn't it
for me hades is more of a j... uh bad person than ||persephone|| could ever be idk
like yeah wife left you and you're always busy, but have you tried TALKING about your problems instead of just being an ass to your own kid who's probably just going through a rebellious phase
oh yeah right i forgot, there's no characters ready to talk about the stuff they're going through, except for eurydice (who still has to be prompted to do so)
ugh now I'm rambling
sorry y'all
sage marten
yeah, it's hard to be a bigger arse than Hades
i understand he's bitter with the world and everything on it for being stuck in the underworld but he's still venting it on everyone else
barren harbor
yknow making a makeshift therapist/a beating dummy of your own kid aint good lmao
too bad no one told him
brave tapir
who's gonna tell him, zeus?
barren harbor
not implying hades is hittin zag (have you seen the battle tho) but stiiiillllllll
sage marten
i don't think it goes that far, for what's worth Zagreus himself admits that he's hold off most of his anger with him prior to one of the final boss fights
narrow hemlock
expecting greek gods to understand the consequences of their actions is stretching it, to be honest lmao
barren harbor
rip me
brave tapir
F
barren harbor
anyway
sage marten
like
Hades might be an ass but from dialogue he also seems like he's a bit more lenient than he seems at first
barren harbor
i mean yea i guess
barren harbor
but then again
you'd have a good bit of pent up stuff from having to have someone like hades as a parental figure
brave tapir
it's not that deep
sage marten
oh yeah absolutely
brave tapir
and by that i mean the game itself
but then again
you'd have a good bit of pent up stuff from having to have someone like hades as a parental figure
@barren harbor yep
sage marten
try getting raised by a guy who's bitter about everything, see how it goes for ya
awful that's how
worthy egret
Considering all that's happened it surprises me at times how calm Zag is
barren harbor
zag's self control is darn goals
worthy egret
And i mean GOOD FOR HIM I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO DO THAT
barren harbor
maybe he just takes it out on the mobs though???
sage marten
i mean for what's worth he also seemed to be an idle youth kinda guy from the flashbacks
barren harbor
oh does he!!! im dumb whoopsie
sage marten
at least until he got his stuff together and decided to leave the underworld
barren harbor
KJHDGKJDFHGLKDFS IT WAS A JOKE
brave tapir
he's still baby > He also ||hates killing actual living things||
@worthy egret
sage marten
no, he does mention that killing satyrs and vermin didn't really sit well with him
worthy egret
Shades were already dead but once ||he gets to killing actual living things, even if its diseased rats, he feels bad about it||
barren harbor
@sage marten trueee
maybe he was like "eh i can tolerate that" and then he was like "wait no that's a bunch of bull and i shouldn't be enduring that"
sage marten
i don't remember with who but he says it at some times
sage marten
yes, achilles
thanks
barren harbor
i need to draw zag with a huge bong now
@brave tapir i mean
i wouldn't stop ya,,,,,,,
barren harbor
he just looks like the kinda guy!!!
sage marten
hypnos was probably born stoned like that
barren harbor
KJDFHLHFDLHF
brave tapir
i wouldn't put booze or weed past zag tbh
@sage marten i was joking, neither would I
barren harbor
that's true
brave tapir
bc zag is an idle youth in some department
sage marten
"ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy" -probably Hypnos' first words
brave tapir
NASJKSKXLCKC
barren harbor
"ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy" -probably Hypnos' first words
@sage marten i thought it said 'last' at first and yknow what that's be accurate too lmao
brave tapir
now i just see him smoking a fat ass joint behind hades's back
sage marten
hypnos would likely be surprisingly chill about being killed
@brave tapir what do you think the recliner is for
barren harbor
he's that "ai (ai!) lamao! (lamao!)" vine
sage marten
he just hides his stash in the cushions
sage marten
in all fairness 90% of the house is dead so i don't think that many people would notice
barren harbor
he just hides his stash in the cushions
@sage marten bruh they gonna smell though
idk id that's gonna be a problem for him but still kjfhsglkhfdjlg
brave tapir
and yeah i know what I'm talking about, my neighbours grew weed and my whole apartment smelled like it when they smoke ajskkcvi
this was Bad
barren harbor
in all fairness 90% of the house is dead so i don't think that many people would notice
@sage marten yea lol that's why he's so relaxed
it's the underworld baby no more mentors or anything like that
sage marten
don't have to worry about the smell of weed if the smell of the dead hides it
taps forehead
barren harbor
and yeah i know what I'm talking about, my neighbours grew weed and my whole apartment smelled like it when they smoke ajskkcvi
@brave tapir YOUR NEIGHBOURS WHAT
YOU NEVER TOLD ME WTH
brave tapir
DIDN'T I TELL YOU
worthy egret
"ZAGREUS IS THAT A WEED"
"NO THIS IS A CRAYON"
barren harbor
don't have to worry about the smell of weed if the smell of the dead hides it
taps forehead
@sage marten HERWJJRHGJREHGJTJHEWERJ
brave tapir
in all fairness i probably did, you just don't remember that
barren harbor
"ZAGREUS IS THAT A WEED"
"NO THIS IS A CRAYON"
@worthy egret BRUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH VAL YOU HAVE TO DRAW THIS NOW
brave tapir
NO I DO NOT
barren harbor
YES YOU DO
brave tapir
/is already drawing bruh
barren harbor
who's gonna be the other kid though
/is already drawing bruh
@brave tapir that's what i thought
sage marten
hypnos, he's the only one dumb or stoned enough to fall for that
brave tapir
who's gonna be the other kid though
@barren harbor take a lucky guess
hypnos is not dumb!!!!
barren harbor
ehgehgjrjghrehghjreghjerhgrejjrewghjewrjherwjgjre
narrow hemlock
hypnos isnt dumb.............
barren harbor
okay but
"is that a police?"
"???"
"im calling the weed!"
but the cameraman is hypnos, the girl is thanatos and the "whatcha smokin" dude is..... whomst..............
brave tapir
sTOP
barren harbor
IF ONLY I KNEW HOW
brave tapir
critical bruh and absolutely ban quiche
barren harbor
alternative
the cameraman is zag and the 420 dude is hypnos
critical bruh and absolutely ban quiche
@brave tapir bruh levels reaching critical get the snoop dogg,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
okay but
i'm about to install audacity, go through all their voicelines and just go and make it a thing
brave tapir
i beg of you, please don't
brave tapir
the fact that I'll tell ya mom that's what
barren harbor
but like
the fact that I'll tell ya mom that's what
@brave tapir FKJHSLDKGHJSDLFJSDJGJGKBSHNDLHN
havent heard that one in a while lmao
barren harbor
how are ya gon it though??? "Auntie Vika quiche is making weed memes again!!!!"
brave tapir
exactly like that
barren harbor
that's not gonna sound good for you either i think
plus like
i'm coming back to dad's place in like a week not like it matters that much anyway
brave tapir
yea ok enough offtop
barren harbor
back to the weed memes
hades related ofc
does hypnos use a bong or just the plain old blunt style?
sage marten
so what do you guys think the fourth aspect of the fists are going to be?
barren harbor
??
eggsplain
brave tapir
so what do you guys think the fourth aspect of the fists are going to be?
@sage marten considering i have no idea what the first three ones are
brave tapir
you just didn't play enough
sage marten
Zag, Talos and Demeter
wait have any of you two unlocked one of the fourth aspects of the spear or the sword?
sage marten
wait and you didn't get a cue for the spear?
have you been talking to achilles on the regular?
sage marten
and he didn't say anything about talking to the spear?
brave tapir
nuh-huh
regal junco
i
brave tapir
I'd remember something like that i guess
regal junco
thought it was related to how much blood you stick in them
sage marten
i think it might require having his Aspect on the spear actually
sage marten
i literally just slapped one (1) blood on the spear and reached the surface with it
and then bam, Guan Yu
regal junco
I had only got the achilles aspect way way after guan booo
sage marten
no
we're talking about the requirements to unlock it
sage marten
like
i'm 90% sure at this point it requires having put a single unit of blood on it and then reached the surface with it
alpine yacht
i'm not even sure you need to hit surface with it, i think i had guan unlocked before i killed big papa
sage marten
wait no it apparently is having used a certain amount of blood in any weapons
yeah
it's using blood to unlock other aspects
or just blood usage in general
narrow hemlock
you need to use like at least 3 upgrades on your weps
i dont think guan yu involves titan blood, but arthur does
sage marten
yeah, arthur deffo does
good thing about arthur is that you can kill two birds with one stone and also clear skelly's sidequest to fill the requirements while you're at it
narrow hemlock
as for 4th aspect fists, idk what direction sgg is going, but if they intend to use mythical items (despite guan yu being a Real Person that Definitely Existed, lets face it he is certainly revered as a mythological figure so he would still fit that theme in a way) the only fist-y stuff i could find was jarngreipr so idk
brave tapir
can you send pictures in here?
narrow hemlock
no, upload elsewhere and link it
brave tapir
ok, thanks
flat vapor
i mean, with the rail they basically made up all the myths about it, so if there's nothing for the fists, sgg would probably do it for them as well
narrow hemlock
going off of 'if they use famous mythological weapons/weapons associated with people who are revered as nigh mythological figures' with jarngreipr for fists leads me to el cid on shield since the other choices are other greek/arthurian stuff and theyre def not gonna double up on arthurian items (also norse if fists end up being smth else), but thats all just me making an educated guess off my own assumptions lmao. but yeah rail they might still do something like. heck i dont know, nobunaga aspect
flat vapor
i want to see them try to do some lesser known mythologies (if they put in the proper research, ofc)
narrow hemlock
no
brave tapir
i would say im sorry but i am not
(cant join serious discussions so i make stupid memes)
made in paint for extra cursedness
rambo aspect
@sage marten this one wins
brave tapir
you really shouldn't be
oop
anyway i wanted to say that I'm posting stupid drawings in a channel with like ten thousand people
rapid bear
you know i gotta say, i love how the mirror lets you effectively spec into a build now with the alt perks
sage marten
Yeah, the alt perks deffo give you more room for customization
brave tapir
++
it's really convenient
that you can choose perks that suit your playing style more
rapid bear
and they're not "free" to take which is just always nice, to have hard choices
cause taking the alt skill means losing out on the other, and they're pretty on par with each other
sage marten
Depends on the skill imo
DD still seems like a must have to me unless you’re doing some sorta challenge run
rapid bear
Like uh; bonus damage on undamaged is easy, but bonus backstab damage can potentially give a lot more than 1 boosted hit/enemy
DD rewards perfection; SD enables risk and makes room for less-able players
brave tapir
like me, a loser whose nails get stuck between keys in the most important moments ansjdj
rapid bear
pft
there's golden touch that rewards stinginess and deep pockets that reward thriftiness
bonus health or bonus damage if unhurt is another hard pick;
brave tapir
if not for stubborn defiance I'd be ded the first time i reached surface bc my fingers just got stuck and papa hades handled my own butt to me in the meanwhile
heavy parrot
or bonus damage if casted for offense vs cast acts as a slow for defense
brave tapir
if unhurt
how can you NOT get hurt,,,,,
rapid bear
casts that replenish on kills (effectively) or casts on a cooldown, is another neat tangent
narrow hemlock
luv regenerating casts
brave tapir
this one is my favourite
luv regenerating casts
@narrow hemlock
rapid bear
just that compared to their alternative, they might be more demanding
heavy parrot
the one-key cost to respec incentivises focusing on a given build without prohibiting changes
rapid bear
tbh i feel like the respec having a cost is superflous, when you'll eventually have enough dark to max every skill
but i digress
sage marten
yeah, the cost is essentially a noncost since the only way to not get a key in a run is to actively not try to get one
which is fine by me mind you, that lets you fiddle a lot with different builds
worthy egret
Just beat Hades with Stubborn, Abyssal, Reckless (or whatever the dash is called) and Cthonic!
drowsy lagoon
Does anyone know what the game means with 'barriers'? Deciding whether or not to take Typhoon's Fury which says "You deal more damage when slamming foes into barriers.".
fluid jacinth
walls
drowsy lagoon
so any wall counts for this?
fluid jacinth
yeah it should
drowsy lagoon
cool, thanks
fluid jacinth
also other objects which you can push the enemies into should work too
but i am not sure
drowsy lagoon
i think my wall slams are doing more damage now so it probably works
kinda weird that they word it this way
cause breaking wave says "Slamming foes into walls or corners creates a watery blast in the area."
so I figured the difference in wording would mean something
spring lava
yeah IMO the "barrier" wording is really misleading. At least as a native english speaker it makes me think "Shield" or "forcefield", not "wall"
livid cargo
It includes the columns
spring lava
mm. thats true
I suppose "barrier" makes the most sense when the meaning intended is "Mostly anything that will stop a poseidon pushed enemy"
columns, walls, those Elysium spear traps
Speaking of the third, man I hate those traps around the bridges. I have to move suuper carefully if the fighting moves over there
Sometimes I just say no and demand the enemy move away from the bridge
drowsy lagoon
exactly, I assumed "barrier" would be something really specific because it seems like such a large damage bonus for just pushing stuff into walls
worthy egret
Me: moves closer to the wall
Elysium spear trap: so you have chosen... death.
regal junco
My epithet, wall
spring lava
me: oh right uh did that chaos trap damage debuff expire yet
Elysium spear trap: haha no pops death defiance
regal junco
Also i almost never go poseidon cus im mostly worry about bosses in roguelikes
spring lava
honestly I find the bosses easier than some enemy chambers tbh
dealing with 1 or a few enemies is nicer than dealing with a million that want you to play Touhou
worthy egret
Heightened security and an Abyssal curse for a real life authentic lava experience
drowsy lagoon
wait, does the trap dmg curse also increase lava dmg?
spring lava
Yeah
regal junco
Yeah
drowsy lagoon
that explains some things...
spring lava
Anything, anything! that isn't an enemy with a healthbar and deals damage
patent topaz
Me: ok if i survive another encounter i will break my chamber record cool Wretched lout: hEnLo
drowsy lagoon
or does that count as an enemy? 🤔
patent topaz
omg arti you kept the nickname 🥺 🥺
worthy egret
the player and zag fling the brain cell between each other like a hot potato
Amd ofc i did its a cute nickname i love it 
spring lava
I think the final boss also throws things that count as traps. But I'm not sure they count
regal junco
The skulls are projectlies someone said
spring lava
So not traps. Just an attack. Cool
worthy egret
I think GRABBY HANDS might count as a trap?
vast junco
yeah the green pot grabby hands in the FB fight count as traps
worthy egret
A hand grabs Zag's ankle. He squeaks
vast junco
they HURT with HS on
worthy egret
I remember Redacted once said that ||Not even the shades want to let you go|| and can we just imagine that being true but like in a cute way
vast junco
can't believe dad would weaponize genuine shade affection for zag against him
spring lava
war crime
sage marten
He got passive agressive with zag about cerberus once, he totally would to get back at Zag trying to escape
worthy egret
Nobody:
The hands in Styx when Zag passes them by and waves at them: 👍 👍 🤟 🤟 🤜 🤟 👌 ✋ 🖐️ 👋
viscid zealot
did anyone knows for sure is Demeters will (+30 -30) work when i load all crystals in hera bow but not shot em?
cant test it properly myself
deep pivot
If the counter down below is at 0, it will work
drowsy lagoon
does exclusive access (all boons at least epic) + yarn of ariadne (+1 rarity) mean my next boon will be heroic?
want to know before I waste 70 gold ^^
smoky rune
I think my save file may have just deleted or gotten corrupted - deep breaths
brisk trail
@worthy egret Technically, Zag waved at them, so the first line is a little sus. 
worthy egret
@brisk trail 👏 👉 👉 👉 👉 👆 👌 🙏
deep pivot
@drowsy lagoon It won't 
drowsy lagoon
figured I'd try anyway, found out the hard way :/
deep pivot
Sorry I couldn't answer faster...
forest grotto
i kinda wish hades would make comments on how you died and how the (op/overbearing and overcontrolling) narrator says zag died maybe make a statement on your title for when you "escape"
maybe mock/gloat on how the final boss killed zag
worthy egret
@narrow hemlock So the chaos singing thing is probably just Orphy's dialogue showing up when it shouldn't, and since he and Chaos have a similar/maybe even the same speech colour, and since the first time around Zag spoke over it and I couldn't hear it, it gave me the impression that Chaos sang that
Today i picked the chaos shield up and this happened again. Subtitles of singing, no sound, and it was a song Orphy was singing outside the courtyard in the great hall
opaque nexus
i can finally play this game again
novel wasp
what is heroic's spawn condition
deep pivot
You mean chance rate that an epic boon will be swapped for another one at heroic rarity?
solid cosmos
I just lost a DD trying to pick up bouldy's gold on lava after the hydra fight, good stuff
brisk trail
Happened to me last night, @solid cosmos
novel wasp
maybe, sometimes i get a heroic spawn to me when i only have rare
brisk trail
I did not feel intelligent.
Not possible.
Heroic boons can only appear by exchanging an Epic, upgrading an Epic via Eurydice, or upgrading a boon through Rare Crop.
deep pivot
I think I’ve read in a file the probability of a swap. I think it was 10% but not sure
flat vapor
heroics shouldn't be spawning normal
novel wasp
yea it only spawns when you have an existing modifier that you can exchange with it
sage marten
So Heroic modifiers are just the gods trying to outdo eachother
heavy parrot
What's the difference between rarity and level of a buff? like, obviously they are wach different ways of varying the buffs but I don't really understand how buffs scale
sage marten
They both increase the power of a boon
rapid bear
@heavy parrot, Rarity increases the "base" amount of a boon. Level increases its scale.
sage marten
Rarity means it has a higher base power
flat vapor
rarity is the base number of a boon, levels scale off of that number (with diminishing returns)
sage marten
Therefore you get more out of each individual level
rapid bear
Rarity increases it by a fixed amount, while Level increases it by a large amount (with diminishing returns.)
lyric talon
Generally, the difference between two levels is lesser as the rarity increases. However, a high level at a high rarity is always better than that same level at a low rarity.
sage marten
also tfw ninja’d
rapid bear
Levels tend to softcap at Lv3. Lv4+ is rarely worth it for most boons.
flat vapor
levels are calculated off of that base numbers
brisk trail
You'll get way more bang for you buck upgrading a level 1 Epic boon to level 2 rather than Heroic, but you get more bang for your buck upgrading a level 5 Common to a Rare.
rapid bear
While Rarity hardcaps at Heroic, with Legendary and Duo being seperate thresholds
heavy parrot
is the lvl bonus the same between buffs (so the lvl1->2 bonus is thr same % for every common boon) or is it boon-dependant?
brisk trail
Boon-dependent.
flat vapor
the formulas are different for each boon
heavy parrot
makes sense thx all
mortal palm
I tbh don't know the exact boost.
I feel like based on intuition that common boons scale faster at first and 'close the gap' faster. But I'm not 100% sure on that? And people state otherwise? 
like an epic boon will get maybe a 20% boost from a pom, while a common would get 50%
also things scale vastly differently like if you are a cast build you 100% want to pom the cast, whereas attack and special scalings are kindasortabad
heavy parrot
goob 2 kno
mortal palm
also the scaling falls off quickly, each pom is like 30% of the effect of the pom before. I do believe values round, however, so eventually each additional pom is a +1. This is useful for things like Dionysus, where hangover base damage is low enough that +1 each pom means it ironically probably scales the best out of any other boons.
heavy parrot
haha
woven sedge
When building throw I also throw every pom on that
shut stirrup
pumped, got farther than I ever gotten with shield, died to minos and his buddy who I forget.....omg i love this game 😄
narrow hemlock
aw i enjoy theseus
once you get over dying to him and can beat him down successfully and then later get his more fun fight, hes more entertaining than annoying
merry harbor
He's very... devout, and believes in what he's told?
If we're trying to think of positives
brisk trail
But @narrow hemlock , that's precisely why it's so perfect that dcm forgot about him. He's here for us to dunk on.
narrow hemlock
listen over the course of a month i went from hating him to unironically liking him, sometimes you just gotta beat people down to start appreciating them
deep pivot
Why do I love the least popular characters? omg
brave thicket
which one?
flat vapor
the broker
brave thicket
i like him
deep pivot
Theseus and Poseidon (please don't kill me)
tacit sparrow
Poseidon is great tho
brave thicket
i would hate theseus if he was real, but hes not so i only appreciate his character
narrow hemlock
me 🤝 @deep pivot
liking theseus when no one else will
merry harbor
I think he's neat (he's gotta be considering how he's treated Asterius) but also... please
narrow hemlock
i genuinely could not tell you how i went from 'god i hate theseus' to 'aw hes throwing a tantrum let me tuck him under my arm til i deal with asterius and then yeet him out of the arena'
it just kinda happened before i realized it and then i went oh no
its as zag utters when he buys the theseus portrait to hang in the hall, oh gods, am I becoming hopelessly obsessed with theseus?
merry harbor
as the prophecy foretold, apparently
brisk trail
Still haven't bought it. 👍
narrow hemlock
i did because i wanted to hear zag's reaction and it was honestly worth
maybe hypnos can go admire it and ask zag where the portrait of asterius is
deep pivot
That's so... interesting 😅
brisk trail
I'll buy it when his EM bombs get nerfed.
narrow hemlock
am i the only one here that bought the portrait, incredible
i'm smart and powerful, clearly
merry harbor
Nah I did, too, because the wall was a little barren
narrow hemlock
okay but i really do want a picture of asterius, and for hypnos to sometimes be absent from his post bc hes looking at it
narrow hemlock
i already did that before i played hades. and use of lads too, i feel attacked, really
errant storm
Finally got my first completion!
rapid bear
Athena and Poseidon are probably my preferred gods for boons
With maybe a splash of Aphrodite and Dionysius
sharp parcel
I wanted to ask this for a while
does anyone that use borderless windowed mode experience issues with alt tabbing?
the game's window stays on top of the desktop
daring hull
oh yes i think i have that issue
sharp parcel
and it's been in the game since I got it, all the way back in December
spring lava
I kinda want to try a new save file just to see if I can clear the first run that you're very much expected to die on
Dunno though, the mirror buffs are pretty huge and I'm quite used to them
merry harbor
Doing some no-darkness runs is good training for that, if you wanted.
Fun, too, if a little different from normal gameplay.
spring lava
Probably lots of kiting and slow chambers lol
narrow hemlock
it's very slow
it was interesting to see how far in I could get but it was also like. not very enjoyable
so I did that on a brand new file (bc I was collecting hypnos death lines separate from my actual file) and I respec'd the mirror to get my needed darkness for the sigil, rather than just farming another 4k I needed or whatever lmao. when I did that I did a no darkness run there and it still sucked
spring lava
kinda forget just how big that backstab damage boost is until you don't have it :(
merry harbor
The worst part of it is having no second dash. The rest felt pretty normal, surprisingly.
narrow hemlock
my dash and my casts... crippled
spring lava
oh wait right and hermes is one of the gods you cannot get on a first run right?
merry harbor
Yup!
spring lava
aughhh
merry harbor
Chaos, too.
spring lava
pfft, I'd be too scared to take chaos with no mirror health or darkness heals
merry harbor
Plus no fountain heals, because they haven't been built. No keepsakes
Raw no darkness runs are fun, still. But the new game run is Scary.
narrow hemlock
honestly I constantly think back to the single best feedback I've seen in the feedback channel, it was a lengthy write up about the pact but the td;lr of it was how buffing enemies feels good, but nerfing zag does not.
rapid bear
I think i remember watching someone do a no-darkness series on youtube
narrow hemlock
if you're into that kind of challenge it's probably fun but for me it actively removes enjoyment bc I'm nerfing myself to make a challenge, rather than applying the challenge to the enemies. that's why pact stuff like extreme measures is fun and popular, but stuff like taking away mirror upgrades is controversial and ends up tweaked
spring lava
I still think Breaching Cross on the fists is way too powerful
goddamn 1000% armor damage jesus
rapid bear
Me personally I feel like a nice fix for the mirror limiters is to reduce the max on everything instead of wholly lock out more and more perks;
The mirror is 25% less effective per stack, up to 75%?
merry harbor
I like this system more than that one because it saves me the time running back and forth to the mirror, really.
And I think the option to let it be fully locked out is still a good one.
rapid bear
I mean i guess the really bottom ones you can live without but the ones up top hurt a lot to lose;;;
spring lava
@brave thicket but on top of all the other things you'd be getting? Say, Aphrodite with her huge attack amp numbers
it's wayy too good
rapid bear
Which god gives the most raw damage up, actually
merry harbor
Aphro.
rapid bear
I know artemis is the least cause of their crits but
spring lava
I actually think it's Aphrodite
rapid bear
???
That, doesn't feel super right, but i'll believe you
spring lava
Athena has some big numbers but I do believe Aphro is bigger
merry harbor
I think Athena, Demeter, and Posidien are all around the same tier of buff?
But I don't have the exact numbers on me
spring lava
I think we're just talking about the attack% up, I think Poseidon's is actually not that big?
because he has knockback + 200% wall slam
rapid bear
Demeter feels like she's the one that would give the most raw punch, like.
L o r e wise.
merry harbor
Oh yeah, you're right, Helios
I just keep getting Epic Specials and so my brain tranaltes it to "oh Big Number"
rapid bear
Cause like, hell hath no wrath like a mom scorned
patent topaz
https://kerbiie.tumblr.com/image/616139064313348096 mY GOD (made by kerbiie on tumblr)
there's also Hypnos is you like
made by someone else
tacit sparrow
I clicked the link expecting nothing and now I have to sue you and that person
patent topaz
this might as well become the new server banner
it's like the fourth time i see it and i love it
brave tapir
i unironically like it
this might as well become the new server banner
@patent topaz now that's an Idea
worthy egret
I come in and THAT is what i see
First thing in the morning
The cursed wall of than
brave thicket
yea, cool right?
worthy egret
>>
brave thicket
dont have to thank me
worthy egret
I won't. XD
worthy egret
That's a lot of than for one person,
brave tapir
well it can't be too much of him
patent topaz
there's also hypnos if y'all want him 👀
brave tapir
not sure i do but please proceed
worthy egret
oh no
patent topaz
https://66.media.tumblr.com/05d175b7e60b3d3e3345a1f5b789dc8a/22606143ab03b4ae-7e/s1280x1920/36bf066715a67b3a97eaea33a3244d439ca96a93.png this time it's from cheesydraws on tumblr, you find it under the bald than post
solemn igloo
oh no no
brave tapir
snsnsnxjkx
solemn igloo
Hypnos could kill people with headbutts lol
brave tapir
that's why he's a fan of asterius
patent topaz
OMG it all comes together
brave tapir
i noticed them after that sleeping skull in the middle of his belt
i think its expression is hysterical
it reminds me of the 'rose candle' meme
patent topaz
i learned it's because poppies have sedative properties, it's one of his symbols
I read also thanatos shares a connection with poppies but i think it's just because he's hypnos' brother
so cute
worthy egret
Hypnos with poppies in his hair
patent topaz
aww now i want everyone in flower crowns 
worthy egret
i wonder if there's fields of poppies or something in Hypnos' home
i know its where Lethe originates but
i dont remember more details
i wonder what Hypnos's home would look like in Hades
patent topaz
I recall he lives in a cave near Lethe and sleeps in a bed made of ebony surrounded by poppies
with no sound and light
patent topaz
(in the original myth in the game i think he just chills at the house, not that he needs a bedroom everything is okay for him as a bed lol)
worthy egret
im talking hades than
brave thicket
death hath no mercy
daring hull
...Than coming to Hypnos when he's overwhelmed by the surface's sensations
yes.
worthy egret
Zag would probably take the surface much better than other cthonics
patent topaz
In the myths everyone hated than, mortals and gods: he was just unpleasent to hang around with.
worthy egret
but i think he'd still have issues
daring hull
yeah probably, he's not used to it after all
daring hull
so it's not as bright and loud
worthy egret
what if Cthonics can get sunburnt WAAAY easier
Thanatos comes home red as a lobster
brave thicket
gods can change their appearance aat will
worthy egret
shush
daring hull
that explains the abs
patent topaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJxlNKDccoE i imagine this is what happens to Zag when he reaches the surface (watch at 0.58 the rest is useless)
worthy egret
yeP
worthy egret
huh though that does bring us to an interesting thought
brave thicket
zag is a god
worthy egret
what would the gods in hades change their shape into
no shrew zag is a chameleon duh.
daring hull
do you
brave thicket
ichor, even red ichor, evaporates not
daring hull
do you want an answer to that
patent topaz
It's just a joke
daring hull
zeus is a bull
brave thicket
yes he is
worthy egret
I do like the thought of Zag subconsciously shifting to be more scary when angry, he has no control over his shifting ability yet but sometimes it happens
brave thicket
and rain, and a horse, and alcmene's husband, and lightning
worthy egret
Than shifting into a butterfly
brave thicket
than shifting into meg
worthy egret
nO
daring hull
nooooo
brave thicket
why not
daring hull
he's not tho?
patent topaz
Every god shapeshifts into Hades and the shades at the house just rUNS TERRIFIED
daring hull
i just like that than gives up very neurodivergent vibes!!
it's like steven tag but worse
patent topaz
Oh god... i just realized... he probably also killed kids... wait is this Than actual death or the psychopomp version?
worthy egret
zag, who accidentaly shifted into fire: PLEASE HELP ME.
worthy egret
besides than is peaceful death
patent topaz
mh
worthy egret
before zag gets a hang of his shapeshifting everything he shifts into has his signature eyes so everyone is just like
hey zag
daring hull
holy f yes!!!
merry harbor
oh so like a Ditto
worthy egret
Artemis once said smth along the lines of "shame you cant just turn into a woodland creature and fly or burrow out" and to that i give you, Artemis teaching Zag how to turn into one once they finally meet
patent topaz
Alas yesterday conversation came to a conclusion: Zag is a ditto
daring hull
somebody should introduce than to sunglasses and earplugs
worthy egret
"anyway, just stay close to me, Zagreus. Cause uh, you know, a black wolf with eyes like yours is an arrow magnet"
daring hull
agshhdf
worthy egret
pictured: wolf zag rolling in the grass like a dog to make artemis laugh
patent topaz
words sun can't hurt me these shades are gucci
worthy egret
also sunscreen
daring hull
agsggs
worthy egret
beach day, there is a weird pale guy standing in the shade, wearing sunglasses and earplugs, he looks uncomfortable
sage marten
please do not turn the demigod into a furry
patent topaz
pictured: wolf zag rolling in the grass like a dog to make artemis laugh
@worthy egret Living up to your username you're distributing blessings
worthy egret
listen being a furry and a shapeshifter is different and even if zag was a furry id love him the same
patent topaz
i'll see myself out
sage marten
shapeshifters are furries that don’t need fursuits
worthy egret
symbo can choose between true shot, deadly flourish and hunter dash
sage marten
don’t @ me
worthy egret
@sage marten
sage marten
how could you
patent topaz
People turned hades characters in AC villagers when it boomed so i'ts a biiit too late i'm afraid C':
worthy egret
i mean i know they said zag would be either a lion or a wolf, thats all i remember
but im a huge ho for shapeshifting so
daring hull
shapeshifting is the good kush
brave tapir
hypnos is cute even as a furry ngl
primal whale
Hmm, that means the furies furries is inevitable
But at least I can get some satisfaction from the word play
brave tapir
Oh god Chaos reacts to fated persuasion
@worthy egret you can't just tease people like that
and not say the rest 😔
brave tapir
aw
novel wasp
they are very disappointed that you dont like their choices
i wonder if you roll 3 times or more would they get annoyed
being picky when someone gives you things for free isnt exactly a good manner
worthy egret
And even a less of good manners when it is the chaotic primordial conciousness
daring hull
though to be fair, does chaos know or care about manners
daring hull
||"reroll as much as you'd like but gifts are stealing"|| spoiler for chaos bond stuff i guess
worthy egret
||dude when they said that I was like NO!!||
||I have never feared for my life more||
||But at least they apologized||
worthy egret
I love how fated authority seems so cool like Zag is just I CHANGE FATE! ON MY AUTHORITY!
And then fated persuasion i just imagine him looking at the god with puppy eyes being like,,, ah,,, lord ares,,,,,, i appreciate your choices always but,,, wouldnt it be possible to ermmm uhhh
worthy egret
Ares: oh no here we go
oh nooo unuuuu ono lord zewus wouldnt it be pawsible to gib mowe twundew
worthy egret
Someone run hades through an owo generator
daring hull
PLEASE
worthy egret
Seriously though imagine the stress of trying to tell CHAOS that you dont want the boons they chose for you
daring hull
chaos like.
oh.
you want.
trouble instead?
worthy egret
Zagreus, sweating: oh no i onoho jno ohno oh n o o h no
worthy egret
My hand every other day:
My hand when fishing: now? Now? Now? Now? Now? Now? Now? N
daring hull
MOOD
merry harbor
The animal crossing method of fishiing works wonders
worthy egret
Chaos: I sense anxiety within you. Is fishing not supposed to be a peaceful activity, O Son of Hades?
Zagreus, eyes like saucers, NOT WANTING TO MISS A CHAOS FISH: oh u h ha a ay e es
merry harbor
CLose your eyes and wait for the proper sound cue.
daring hull
ah i see
merry harbor
The splashes can fake you out, but until the fourth splash there's a chance you'll jump the gun, so might as well remove that chance.
worthy egret
Ohhh
merry harbor
After the third fake out it's safe to open your eyes and press the button as soon is it bites, but every other one is a gamble, y'know?
alpine stratus
chaos: out of the infinite possibilities, i have selected three
zag: 🎲 fated persuasion
chaos: .......i have selected six
worthy egret
Little detail but i love that the screen when fated persuasing has the god's colour
lusty stump
Chaos: The Fates did not tell me you have a dice with you to play their game, a shame, really.
daring hull
chaos, getting out their dm-screen: Alright lets go
lusty stump
Don't let chaos DM, they always roll 1s and 20s on purpose
vale kite
chaos offering you rare and epic boons but then you decide to reroll and they get so offended all of their boons reroll into common ones
lusty stump
Chaos: You leave the dungeon. Zagreus, roll for the dodge.
Zagreus: N-natural 1.
Chaos: You die due to a boulder crashing onto you out of no where.
Zagreus: Really?!
Chaos: Yes, since Bouldy rolled natural 20 on both rolls, for stealth and attack.
Bouldy: ...
alpine stratus
hcjdkgjgj bouldy is an expert at rolling
worthy egret
Chaos is interested about Zag's dice. He gets them a custom set of dnd dice that look all starry
alpine stratus
aaaaaaawwww 
worthy egret
Underworld squad plays dnd PLEASE
brave thicket
stupid question, i guess, but what is dnd
lusty stump
dungeon and dragons, a tabletop game about uuh
lusty stump
luck and roleplay and mechanics that sometimes take hours to grasp.
alpine stratus
collaborative storytelling, usually set in fantasy oldendays
brave thicket
what is a tabletop game? like monopoly?
daring hull
yep
alpine stratus
somewhat! dnd uses dice and maps and math
lusty stump
Though mostly people tend to focus on roleplay unless DM says otherwise.
alpine stratus
https://www.dieharddice.com/collections/all-polymer/products/rpg-set-purple-moonstone chaos dice....
daring hull
ohhhh
lusty stump
Chaos's dice would just be one sided plate that always changes the number on throw tbh
alpine stratus
https://www.dieharddice.com/collections/green/products/rpg-set-masquerade i actually own this set.....tisi dice 
worthy egret
"What did you roll?" "MURDER" "ah a 1 i see"
I used to own a purple dice and a d20 that was sorta Hades-y
Black with red numbers but it was a bit transparent
alpine stratus
ooooohhhhh
daring hull
ohhhh that sounds rad
daring hull
oh nooo
alpine stratus
hfhfhg i have a d4 that looks like a watermelon slice
daring hull
awww
worthy egret
Hades' dice are made out of actual gemstones
alpine stratus
YESSS
daring hull
yesss
worthy egret
Nyx' and Erebus' would be made out of pure darkness
daring hull
thans are made of bones
worthy egret
Zag shows off with having his dice levitate and everyone is >>
alpine stratus
zag has to reabsorb his dice after rolling
merry harbor
...Could he technically fix his rolls if he thought about it by changing the numbers on it or setting its trajectory?
worthy egret
I didn't think about that oh my god
alpine stratus
he better not
merry harbor
It's okay Zagreus probably didn't think about that, either
Like he's a smart cookie but also seems like he'd just be too excited to be playing a tabletop with people who care to even think about cheating... yet
worthy egret
Besides its not even fun to cheat in dnd like
Bad rolls are just a part of the experience
merry harbor
Unless you're a DM trying not to kill players, in my experience. then sometimes, Cheating Rolls is okay
daring hull
definetly xD
patent topaz
it's fascinating really, i genuinly want to try it but when i play a strategy game my braincells automatically burn
novel wasp
I have one in works
but, i didnt work on it for a long ass time
also requires art asset that my art is not qualified
sad
patent topaz
AKA why the only card game i can play is Pokemon without energies
You're making a dnd session or a strategy game?
novel wasp
i grown up as an asian and i hate the fact that we lose out all of these tabletops
instead we get garbage mobile games
it would be coined as "wasting time" but playing on phone for hours isnt
really nice logic we got here
patent topaz
i'm sorry
novel wasp
different culture, i guess
role playing tabletops are not existant here
mostly you either get chess or something dumb fun like monopoly and such
but you dont get dnd
warhammer 40k
patent topaz
but i guess you also have nice things we don't usually have? (also uuh we're kinda off topic i feel the mods watching us 👀 )
sage marten
Every channel is the off topic channel
opaque nexus
Are there any rooms that are inescapable or otherwise impossible without dashing
brisk trail
You can't talk to ||Eurydice|| unless you dash across the gap.
As far as I know, that's the only room.
opaque nexus
Has anyone done a no dash run
wind nest
That would be a crazy challengw
opaque nexus
I feel like shield would be the meta for that
wind nest
Cast only run would be fun tok
opaque nexus
People have done runs where dash is basically their only damage source
sage marten
Just grab poseidon boons ezpz
opaque nexus
I just realized how bad asphodel with no dash would be
opaque nexus
Is it possible to not encounter any of those though
sage marten
I mean you don’t have to dash to go across assphodel outside eurydice afaik
But good luck tanking the lava damage
opaque nexus
Yeah
sage marten
worst case scenario you can cheat by using a shield or achilles aspect
opaque nexus
Yeah
sage marten
technically still not a dash