h1-discussion

[calm laurel]

So watch out Than

[mild needle]

[late zephyr]

Just did a diameter run with chiron bow aspect

Prob one of the easiest runs I've ever done (40 runs, like 25 clears)

The increased special damage, explosion when units hit 10 frozen stacks and additional map wide 60dmg/sec on frozen units is ridiculous

[calm laurel]

ah yes Diameter, the god of circles

[young smelt]

yall ever just sit back while playing after getting a really fun combo or voice line or whatever and go "damn good video game"

[hollow heron]

Yeah

I love how you feel rewarded for good play consistently

It has meant I've slowly gotten a tad more campy in my playstyle

But at the same time it's better to start from a sound base and work up

[young smelt]

yeah ☺️ and agreed demeter very fun, have a good poseidon/demeter build so nobody gets to be near me ever heheh

[molten cape]

I am pretty confident that my game is glitched and I can't get the dialogue for the Sisyphus Favor to trigger so I can buy the renovation contract. Any advice on what to try to solve the issue?

( i feel like i have done all the triggers required for it that i found online including giving nectar to Bouldy )

[primal whale]

If it is glitched then idk what you can do. Otherwise, if you done all of the prerequisites, keep going through the first biome and if you reach the furies without meeting sisy, then die to the furies an repeat

[short gate]

So, I have a question

Regarding the Pact Of Punishment

So let's say, you bump it up to max, without having retrieved the previous bounties

Does it just keep rewarding you every time you clear it with the titans blood and diamonds, even if it's at the same level, until there is no more bounties to draw from?

[novel wasp]

basically you just keep playing it, its like level up one by one

example you play heat 20 but you still on heat 1 contract, you will get all heat 1 reward, and if you complete again, you will get the heat 2, and it goes on until heat 20

which is exactly the maximum of rewards

[hollow heron]

i bought all the base work orders! 😄

[agile saddle]

so for the new gold mirror upgrade you have to make over 100 gold from it which is iffy. all the new mirror upgrades dont seem great

[mild needle]

it provides replayability

but yeah most of the old bonuses is better

especially the death defiance

[primal whale]

I think all of the new mirror upgrades are just fine and allow for some new builds, but I do agree that the death defiance one is garbage. Perhaps its good for learning the first stages of the game

I do also dislike the gold one though

[mild needle]

patty can refill your dd so it makes the new one garbage honestly

the gold one is there so you can buy blood at the temple of styx i guess?

if you want to farm it

[vast dagger]

Why does meg actually need a job

[mild needle]

staying alive for eternity without anything to do is pretty boring

ask achilles

[hollow heron]

i'm a big fan of stygian soul in the new mirror

but that's mostly it

[light night]

She is the Fury of Envy and she needs some way to vent

[mild needle]

sisyphus knows that best

[light night]

I'm thinking Zag tbh

[mild needle]

idk man, everytime i see zag and meg in the same room outside of house hades, she disappears in a pool of blood

[brave thicket]

meg is a masochist confirmed

[mild needle]

why cant she be both

[normal wraith]

I mean, she's clearly not a sadist. She takes zero pleasure in her normal work after all based on various conversations.

In fact don't spoil it for me, but I'm willing beat I'll eventually get a line about how the thing that put meg on such bad terms with zag was something along the lines of zag suggesting her job was easy or better than his.

[agile saddle]

honestly the only good one is the increased duo/legendary boons cause it just removes the increase to rare.

[slate moon]

hello guys, i'm new here and i have a question about affinity of Artemis.
How can i unlock the last hear of Artemis in the Codex? i cant give her Nectar anymore

[eternal umbra]

unfortunately it's not possible to max out all hearts for everyone yet

they increase the affinity gauge (is that the correct term?) from time to time with upcoming patches

it show some kind of clock-heart in the codex if it's still in development

[slate moon]

thank you

[eternal umbra]

most welcome

[long relic]

My god this soundtrack

[worthy egret]

So good

Who cares i'm gonna die on the barge of death if i headbang the entire time

[long relic]

the final boss theme

omg

[proven sleet]

Good Riddance runs endlessly on repeat in my House of Hades

[long relic]

this remix of the main theme

[worthy egret]

Spoilerz ma boi

Also, me, playing scourge of the furies/last words in my House, as if trying to lure Meg and Than like pokemon

[long relic]

spoiler? u search it deeply xD

[brisk trail]

What about spoilers?

I'm not seeing any spoilers.

[night turret]

As there is indeed a need for spoilers, and people not finding any...

[long relic]

i think he said it bcs i associate the remix of the main theme with the final boss

but i think it become spoiler when u put ur finger on it

so you spoiling boi 😄

[night turret]

||Imagine winning on 1st of april, and suddenly there is an ending playing! But that's just Hades in a Drag, and you die even harder||

[long relic]

or figting him while he wear a fish costume 😒

[brisk trail]

Hi guys, I hope you're doing okay in these times. Is there any announcement made upon a Mac release of Hades ? The game seems incredible like all of their other games and I wish I could play it.

Releases on other platforms will be addressed after Hades hits v1.0 sometime later this year.

Right now they want to make the product the absolute best it can be so they're focusing it down on one platform before additional complications come up.

Thank you for the info, have a pleasant day !

[long relic]

What a nice mac guy

[long relic]

i have a question

if i stack some dmg bonuses on the Than trinket do i keep it if i switch for another?

is the bonus apply on the trinket itself or on my stats purely?

[narrow karma]

you lose the bonus if you swap out the trinket

[long relic]

Ok thanks

[remote lily]

if you don't have a trinket you cant have the bonus

[late coral]

hi

[remote lily]

The same with Skelly Death Defiance Trinket

[quaint bramble]

Yea I think it’s because trinkets like the plume or butterfly display like boons do, so if you don’t have it then it can’t stay active in the background.

[late coral]

execuse me can someone remind me what was a pasworld to unlock excalibur

[narrow karma]

@late coral Are you looking for ||"Stygius: I see your kingly pardon from a prison of stone!"||

[late coral]

thank you good sir

[narrow karma]

dug through the game files for that one :P

[late coral]

needed it for this https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/fnm6um/last_aspect_of_exagryph/

since i remebered a password for Varatha but not for stygius

[narrow karma]

ooh I like that idea

[late coral]

i pleased to hear that 🙂

tho i think developers are not intrested i that concepts at lest for the moment

[stoic quail]

You acknowledge that nyaltharotep is outlandish and yet you don't explain who or what it is? Poor writing my friend

[humble pulsar]

Neat idea but I don't think it fits the current theme for the 4th aspects

Being that Nyarlathotep isn't really a historical figure and more of a fictional character created by Lovecraft.

[stoic quail]

There are only two 4th aspects. You cannot determine a trend or "theme" from two data points. Any design is legitimate.

If we follow this logic of two aspects being able to create a theme and look as aspect of chiron and aspect of chaos both being the 2nd aspect and both creating multiple projectiles then all 2nd aspects should follow this "theme" of multiple projectiles

[tight obsidian]

the only theme is that the 4th aspect borrows from other cultures

and is usually after the era of greece, but not necessarily

since achilles brings up the whole fates and time thing

[humble pulsar]

I mean yes, but I don't think Nyarlathotep would really fit, given that of the current 2 we have, neither of them are god like characters. I could definitely be wrong, but I wouldn't exactly expect Nyarlathotep, nor do I (personally) think it would fit.

That's a poor example. The current trend is that the 4th aspect borrows from myth outside of Greek mythology, after Greek mythology, and belongs to some mythical (and afaik, human) user. It's certainly subject to change though ofc.

[tight obsidian]

oh and ig drastically changing how the weapon functions

the 4th aspect just gives zag a glock

[humble pulsar]

lol

[stoic quail]

aspect of (biggie) smalls

[humble pulsar]

Personally I'd expect from a gun something akin to wild west legend or pirate legend, as I don't think we'd get something "modern" in Hades.

But I'm open to whatever is designed ofc

[tight obsidian]

that'd be really fitting tbh

because exagryph's whole joke is that its a gun, a weapon so powerful that it would ruin humanity if we got it... which we did

[humble pulsar]

I feel like something from the Cthulhu mythos is slightly out there though. The whole Cthulhu mythos inspires very different feelings to what all the other mythos in Hades does, to the point where it would be (imo) out of place.

[tight obsidian]

im not sure if the june update will give us 4th aspects for the rest or not

[safe lodge]

Finally stepped back into Hades, completed my 100th run (I got out!) and took on the intimidating twin fists of malphon

Totally amused by

1. Heart of stone boon that gave
2. aspect of talos
   I pull, I destroy. Going through levels like I've enabled a mini-God mode

Poor Lernie, pretty much froze on spot. Now if this is successful against the boastful hero, then I'm good for this run

Well, Theseus killed me once. Means not gonna make it against Daddy Dearest

Died. Well, one of the greatest runs so far

Unable to pet Cereberus. Should I report this as bug?

[sharp parcel]

because he's not there or does the option not show up?

use F10 to report it as a bug

[safe lodge]

Option is there. When I click to do so, nothing happens

[eternal umbra]

@late coral Hm, I'm kinda incertain about your idea. On one hand I'd find a Lovecraft inspired weapon quite cool and don't think it's too over the top with a gun being outlandish itself. Then again my initial reactions to the 4th aspects were "oh my God, that name rings a bell, it's a historical figure that reminds me of something". Your idea...not so much.

All in all I probably agree more with @humble pulsar here, but it's a nice idea. Oh, but try to proofread your post next time, had quite a few errors that might keep people from taking it seriously (no offense ofc).

[late coral]

sry, english is my second language

[eternal umbra]

Ah don't worry

[humble pulsar]

english of the post wasn't an issue for me, just felt that I personally didn't agree with the idea for it as an aspect, though i do think its a neat idea

[eternal umbra]

I mean that's the part I agreed with

[late coral]

well tbh its more importrant for me to gat a sniper rifle then lovecraft related aspect

[brisk trail]

Isn't a single high damage shot already fulfilled by Hestia?

[late coral]

yeah but a sniper rifle and a bow feel a lot diftent

[brisk trail]

That's Hera, Hestia is Exagryph's third Aspect.

Manual reload for a single high damage shot.

[eternal umbra]

I feel like a sniper rifle would feel quite awkward in small chambers

[late coral]

well... it dosent have to be a single shot in mag

[eternal umbra]

I guess it depends on how you'd like the weapon to feel like concerning handling and shooting

[tight obsidian]

hestia + piercing fire feels like a sniper imo

[eternal umbra]

^ probably the reason why I always miss that shot

[late coral]

well its not for us to diced anyway, and developers either dont care or dont want this kind of ideas

[humble pulsar]

there used to be a sniper shot in the game, it was a Hammer called Heavy Slug

1 in the chamber high base damage shot

it was scrapped and repurposed as Hestia aspect when Aspects launched

[brisk trail]

I did like Heavy Slug's ease, but freeing up a Hammer is more useful in truth.

[late coral]

hmm... well then i gues i wont get my dream wepont, since i hate aspect of hestia

[tight obsidian]

speaking of rail aspects, what happened with the shotgun one? its now just like one burst?

[brisk trail]

One AoE blast.

[tight obsidian]

kinda feels like crush shot's "sliding"

[brisk trail]

it got the Scatter Shot treatment

[novel wasp]

Question, is getting another kidney stone or better cast damage better for chaos

on hunting blades

[brisk trail]

Infernal or Stygian Soul?

[west chasm]

Stone is better

[novel wasp]

infernal obv

no one would use stygian on hunting

[brisk trail]

I do.

[west chasm]

The dps increase of another cast every burst is way better

[brisk trail]

I don't know that I'm getting it out the gate.

[west chasm]

It's %base damage or 100% MORE total damage

[novel wasp]

why would you use stygian on hunting blades

bruh

[brisk trail]

Because it's way better for non-HB Slicing Shot.

[novel wasp]

MORE KIDNEY STONE FOR MORE B L E N D

[brisk trail]

Not having to chase down Bloodstones > More Bloodstones.

[tight obsidian]

oh jeez i didn't realize y'all were talking about the charon item lmao

[brisk trail]

Makes Achilles Aspect usable.

[novel wasp]

no one would use stygian on hunting

I do.

[west chasm]

The thing is

Having more casts at once can be very strong

Unless, say

[novel wasp]

Aphrodite cast

[west chasm]

Festive fog

[novel wasp]

those which deals one mega shot dont need more casts to delay

unless you got an auto cast

by hermes

@tight obsidian also i was talking about the chaos boon

[tight obsidian]

oop

[novel wasp]

and i have a habit to call the bloodstone kidney stones

[tight obsidian]

thats fair tbh

[odd quail]

Does jury summons increase the amount of money you get overall? More enemies=more coins being dropped?

[mellow vessel]

If you can get extra bloodstones with Stygian soul it’s totally bonkers

[tight obsidian]

it should theoretically but its possible that it doesn't happen

[light fog]

Hey, so With Malphon... is it a bug that Artemis' Hunter Dash doesn't work with the Hammer "Rolling Knuckle" ?

[mellow vessel]

Even for hunting blades

[light fog]

Hey, so With Malphon... is it a bug that Artemis' Hunter Dash doesn't work with the Hammer "Rolling Knuckle" ?

I was hoping that I could just auto fire big ol' dash strike damage without ya know... dashing. Not that it's a huge deal just feels weird because of Rolling Knuckle's wording and that it certainly looks like a dash strike.

[west chasm]

It is

[brisk trail]

It's supposed to be a dash attack.

Give it the ol'

[novel wasp]

I am actually farming the darkness in order to|| get nyx and chaos together ||in low heat

no heat would be better but i dont wanna look like a chump so have a low heat

just keep it lukewarm

also the problem with stygian for me is that it loses the benefit of stuck bloodstone

[brisk trail]

No it doesn't.

Boiling and Abyssal Blood both work normally.

Can't lodge into multiple enemies (usually), but otherwise it's the same.

[humble pulsar]

all Stygian does on that front is prevent the stone from dropping as a resource

it will stay stuck in an enemy for the same duration regardless of which Mirror trait you pick

[novel wasp]

that sounds better but again

I dont wanna lose the benefit of spamming

again, most if not all cast builds are great with infernal

[brisk trail]

Achilles Aspect just doesn't work with Infernal Soul.

[humble pulsar]

so you could theoretically stick more enemies at a time with the Stygian Soul perk than with the other

[brisk trail]

Movement is too chaotic.

[novel wasp]

can you?

[brisk trail]

That would require a pretty extreme build, update.

[novel wasp]

I dont think you could @humble pulsar

[brisk trail]

No, you totally can.

[novel wasp]

because aphro can cast on multiple targets but at the end only one gets stuck

[brisk trail]

There are screenshots with 10+ Bloodstones stuck in bosses.

[humble pulsar]

You can yes. I've been able to get 3-4 enemies stuck with no upgrades at all times. If you have any upgrade that provides you with a 2nd cast, you can easily get 6-8. Because each stone is tracked on an individual cooldown.

[brisk trail]

Stick one enemy, it's there for 15 seconds, get a Bloodstone back in 3 seconds maximum.

[novel wasp]

Hm

[humble pulsar]

Yeah you could stick up to 5 at a time easily

Quick Reload also does not spawn at all on Stygian Soul. Its replaced with Auto Reload (accelerated recharge speed)

[novel wasp]

Oh really

interesting

[humble pulsar]

and Bad News spawns instead of Greater Recall (50% bonus damage on an enemy with no cast stuck inside of them)

[novel wasp]

i might try, but i still love the spam capability of like... 6 stones at once

[humble pulsar]

so for your builds with Ice Wine/Hunting Blades Stygian Soul is absolutely better imo, because rolling Bad News is just free 50% bonus damage.

[brisk trail]

Bad News

[tight obsidian]

bad news?

[brisk trail]

I wish Auto Reload were just a little stronger, but Bad News makes it okay.

[novel wasp]

@humble pulsar so does 6 ice wine nooke

[humble pulsar]

Bad News is the alternative Hermes Legendary. It only spawns if you're using the Stygian Soul mirror perk.

[tight obsidian]

oh i haven't seen that yet

[humble pulsar]

You can still get Fully Loaded on Stygian Soul

[novel wasp]

whats the point

[tight obsidian]

wait is flurry cast a prereq to greater recall?

[humble pulsar]

which means 4 casts each with their own individually tracked 3 second cooldown

So you can spam 4 casts every 3 seconds

[novel wasp]

Okay thonk

[humble pulsar]

instead of 6 every however long Ice Wine takes to despawn

and you can get Bad News, which makes those ice wines do 50% bonus damage

which means its more like spamming 6 casts every 3 seconds on Ice Wine/Hunting Blades/etc

Stygian Soul is much better than people want to give it credit for being.

[novel wasp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brisk trail]

5 seconds on Ice Wine, same as Trippy Shot's base value.

[humble pulsar]

and you dont even have to go and pick the cast up to use it again

which definitely is a time sink, even if its not a huge one

[brisk trail]

I can't reiterate how huge that is, regenerating Casts.

[humble pulsar]

and its still a time sink with Greater Recall

[brisk trail]

Gotta kill stuff, wait for it to drop, or despawn in the case of Crystals, Blade Rifts, and Festive Fog.

[novel wasp]

Usually when i use the cast, I immediately focused ont he target

and then cast immediately after target down, which good for melee weapons

but good for bow weapons too

and when i mean bow i mean hera because thats the only worth bow to use nowadays

[brisk trail]

Nah, Zag Aspect and Chiron are still fine.

[novel wasp]

Chrion is too memey for me

[humble pulsar]

The only time I could think of not taking Stygian Soul intentionally with strong reason it would be on Hera Bow because I don't believe you can spam cast it with Stygian.

But Chiron and Zag aspect on the bow are fine.

[novel wasp]

zag's bow crit is too underwhelming

if you want crit nemesis is your best friend

[brisk trail]

Yeah, Nemesis is better, but Zagreus is worth using.

You put Deadly Strike on top of Zag's 10% crit chance and then start stacking damage up crazy high with Twin Shot, Explosive Shot, and Hunter Dash.

[novel wasp]

eh, when you want crazy high damage hera does that better

tho its true that zag will be less dependable on a good cast to deal good damage compared to hera

but again, i like good casts

[mellow vessel]

I still use Infernal for Poseidon aspect though

[brisk trail]

Probably for the best.

[mellow vessel]

Because you can get them out of enemies at will

[brisk trail]

Hunting Blades with an extra Cast and Aspect of Achilles was pretty silly, though.

[mellow vessel]

And I guess hera bow players probably would too?

But everything else I go Stygian for sure

[brisk trail]

Sometimes I think you can get away with Stygian Soul on Hera.

[mellow vessel]

I don’t have personal experience with it, just speculating

[brisk trail]

Might need Heroic Auto Reload (2 seconds).

[mellow vessel]

I’ve never warmed up to the bow, and it’s my husband’s favorite anyway, so there’s no need

[brisk trail]

I've done a few runs but it really kinda drags without a stacked up Trippy Shot. Might wanna stick with Infernal for it.

[mellow vessel]

@meager dagger that sounds like a bug, you might have better luck reporting with F10 in game

[novel wasp]

I am kinda disappointed that my gurl Artemis has the most terrible blessing on Theseus

because it only hits one area and thats it, the others gods blessings hit everywhere

idk if this is a sign of her liking you thats why she goes easy on you but if I have to make it deadlier i would just make carpet bombing homing attacks

[mortal ivy]

Artemis would definitely not go easy on Zagreus lmao. Maybe she just doesn't care much for helping Theseus?

[novel wasp]

basically the gods trial version of that but is much more frequent

she be angy

[mortal ivy]

I do agree that it's the easiest one to avoid by far. I find Athena's the worst because those AoEs are kinda hard to see

[brisk trail]

look, if you're trying to get Artemis's Trial turned into criss-cross patterns across the stage, I'm not for it

[novel wasp]

Im talking about the theseus second phase (no em) blessings

also artemis trial is super easy

[brisk trail]

Yeah, where Artemis does the patterned blasts across the middle of the stage?

[novel wasp]

Yeah

its so easy to bait theseus into just outside the stage

and i find its kinda cheating lol

I almost feel bad for artemis not trying to murder me for pissing me off LOL

because her trial is just so easy

though i do try to not piss her off

[mortal ivy]

Could speed up the tracking of those attacks 👀

[mellow vessel]

Everyone says the new trial of the gods Aphrodite is easy to avoid but I find it really hard to keep track of when I’m looking at what enemies are doing

[mortal ivy]

Make it just impossible to dodge

[mellow vessel]

I can see it when I specifically look for it

It’s like that video with the gorilla costume and the people throwing balls

[mortal ivy]

I'm with you on that one, the heart is scary

[mellow vessel]

Where if you’re focusing on the balls you don’t see the gorilla at all

[novel wasp]

the problem with aphro's projectile is that if you are getting into elysium

whcih is literally disco light

aphro stun projectile just blends into it

LOL

[mortal ivy]

And if you get hit by it in Elysium you just die

[novel wasp]

die sounds like too much but it def suffer more

[mortal ivy]

On high heat is definitely death if you're already low on hp

[novel wasp]

aw yea more death

never anger the nude mom

[brisk trail]

Look, all I'm saying is, if I had to choose between Nemean Chariot Death Squads and Vortex/Bruiser Longspears, I'm taking the chariots.

The latter on 32 Heat was fun.

[mortal ivy]

Chariots with haste though

[novel wasp]

Choo choo

[mortal ivy]

D E A T H

[opaque nexus]

I need to try eris rail again

[novel wasp]

thomas the train's children

LOL

[mellow vessel]

I’m usually fine to take a few hits from it (it’s embarrassing to admit that has happened lol) but then the rest of the run is rough because I’m working from a deficit

[novel wasp]

I need a mod where it replaces the flamewheel and chariots sound with thomas theme song

[mortal ivy]

Teleporting shield dudes are awful too

[mellow vessel]

I think the chariots aren’t so bad if you can get a slow on them

[novel wasp]

greatshield in general can suck my -

[mellow vessel]

Once you get behind them they’re pretty helpless

Shield guys ugh

[mortal ivy]

I've seen them on a couple runs and they just broke my brain. And they can teleport during the attack animation which is just ???

[novel wasp]

I really hate them

they are slowing down my attempt to go faster in timed mode

[mellow vessel]

A room full of shield guys can single-handedly ruin an otherwise great run

[novel wasp]

elysium is always the part where i failed to finish in time

[mellow vessel]

One or two is okay, mixed among other enemies

But a bunch of them??

Run over

[novel wasp]

and imagine you are having sword

bro that big sucks

[mortal ivy]

I'd still rather fight shield dudes than chariots/flame wheels

[brisk trail]

I find mixing shields with spears and chariots is worse than just pure shields.

[novel wasp]

not when i want the reward from trove

pure greatshields means im losing the reward

[mellow vessel]

Flame wheels are manageable if you can get them to steer into obstacles after they light their fuse

[novel wasp]

^

they are very easy to bait

[mellow vessel]

It’s actually kinda nice because they die through damage control and armor, I think

When they explode themselves

[novel wasp]

or even from the space stone

[mellow vessel]

Yeah

[mortal ivy]

They're manageable on low heat but become problematic later on

[mellow vessel]

It gets a little awkward if they can teleport

[novel wasp]

omae wamo

shindeiru

**killer queen has already touched that wheel

[mellow vessel]

@mortal ivy I run on mid-20s of heat

Not 32 but still

It’s not “low”

[mortal ivy]

Fair enough, you're probably a better player than I am

I'm just often frustrated with them

[mellow vessel]

I consider myself a good “bad player” lol

[novel wasp]

@mellow vessel you are almost time for a mid life crisis

[mortal ivy]

I'm a garbage player so there you go lol

[novel wasp]

if you are garbage player

im uh

[mellow vessel]

Lol I’m 33 in real life, I’m a decade or more away from a mid life crisis 😝

[novel wasp]

Im hiding down this drain real quick

[mellow vessel]

Ah no, not a garbage player

A GOOD “bad player” lol

[novel wasp]

im that garbage player who is already in the process to the garbage heap

thanks xd

[mellow vessel]

As in I don’t take the time to learn best techniques or think hard about optimizing my choices during runs, and I’m very sloppy, take a lot of hits

[novel wasp]

because im a braindead fork spam gang

[mellow vessel]

But I’m good at games generally so that compensates

[novel wasp]

talking about terrible at games

platformer is my worst game genre

despite it being like the level 1 of gaming

[mellow vessel]

If I really focus on getting better at something I can usually do it, but it takes a level of mental effort I don’t want to expend while playing hades

[mortal ivy]

I only focus when fishing

Gotta get those perfect catches

[mellow vessel]

Like I got in the top 1000 in the world for some Mario odyssey koopa races for example

Probably not anymore, since people get better and I stopped

My hands were going to develop problems lol

[novel wasp]

oof

[mellow vessel]

But it took a LOT of doing the same thing over and over and over again until I got that one attempt where everything went perfectly

So I guess if I dedicated the same kind of focus to my hades skills I could probably be a legitimately good player

But it’s... really exhausting to do that lol

And I want to play for fun

[novel wasp]

i generally found speedruns to be unfun

especially if the game is story heavy

if the game is like roguelike which has like 0 stories during gameplay, thats okay and i can learn bug abuse and techs i guess

but in games like basically 100% it or whatevr

i found speedrunning is ruining it for me

in older nintendo games were like this but it seems that nintendo themselves discovered that there is a competition for the ones who enjoys speedrunning and has made their games accordingly, like mario odyssey is exactly for that

[mellow vessel]

I don’t mind pushing myself to see how fast I personally can go in hades

But i don’t want to make a comparison between myself and other players

[novel wasp]

^

also enjoy broken builds is my favorite pastime in a roguelike

[mellow vessel]

That’s not to say I don’t enjoy seeing what the really good speed runners are doing

It’s still satisfying to watch

[novel wasp]

I honestly prefer watching build montage for a game than a speedrun lol

[mellow vessel]

What’s nice about watching speed runs is it doesn’t take very long 🤣

[novel wasp]

Yeah sorta but again

because the nature of the speedrun is that it must be unedited so it wouldnt be called as fake

there isnt much humor when it comes to speedrunning

and me? I personally like watching when the youtuber goes creative with the humor

[mellow vessel]

Maybe someone could add funny commentary afterwards

[novel wasp]

yeah thats really about it for polishing a speedrunning video in terms of comedy

but montage basically gives you all the freedom for it though

[lost parcel]

i wish you could refund all the titanblood you put into a weapon dor like 50 keys

or all of them for 300

or 400

[light fog]

That'd be cool.

Sooooo I just had an amazing clear. I'm bad at the game and only just discovered Hunting Blades, but I got dual shot and fully loaded and black metal... and well Took me like 30 seconds to kill Hades with Malphon.

I was stoked cause he'd been bodying me for hours up till now.

[novel wasp]

Hunting Blades

making hades smoothie since 850 BC

[light fog]

Word!

I was like... is that FOURTEEN blades on screen? MWHAHAHAHAH DIEEEE!!!!

[brisk trail]

@minor pecan

[light fog]

Lol.

[signal spoke]

That kind of disrespect toward other users will not be tolerated around here.

[lost parcel]

i cant go into sertant area of the discord

also zagrius and nyx arnt related right

just asking for my neighbour

[acoustic lantern]

[chilly stump]

That's correct about Zag & Nyx @lost parcel. What channels are you trying to post in? I can help direct you. 👍

[lost parcel]

suggestions feedback and a couple others i cant remember

btw

i know this but just to be sure they are both 1000 y+

right

[chilly stump]

Suggestions is locked to everyone right now (see last post there), feedback has instructions on posting pinned there, and any others that aren't accessible are currently closed to posting.

I honestly can't confirm ages. 😄

[lost parcel]

ah

well

the law cant catch you if you use a vpn kids

;}

[acoustic lantern]

okay

my pfp can't describe my reaction better

[chilly stump]

That's true, but our server rules can! Remember to keep things clean. 😄

[acoustic lantern]

[brisk trail]

@mossy knot Why'd you downvote your own post, bro? I wish I could separate out songs in the House, too.

[mossy knot]

I have no idea why I do that.

I just downvote my suggestions cuz why not :hatkid_dance:

[brisk trail]

Hey, you're not upvoting your own post like those nerds who want to stack their deck.

[marsh jackal]

how do you complete denizens of the deep quest?

[brazen isle]

keep fishing your butt off and then go talk to poseidon

[acoustic jasper]

You can fish your butt off?

[modern garnet]

If you swing the rod too far so the hook ends up behind you

[alpine stratus]

ask theseus about this

[brazen isle]

its the most e-fish-ient way of catching them

[worthy egret]

the most efficient ways are, definitely:

Theseus (Varatha stabbies)

Link (just stab it with Stygius)

Bear (malphon grab the fish)

alternative fishing techniques: use Aegis like a huge spoon and scoop the fish up

reload Exagryph and ATATATATATATATATA the water

[vast dagger]

I like the aegis method

Carry your fish to asphodel and make soup

[worthy egret]

Bloodless: HSSSSS

Zagreus: not now im making sOUP

[vast dagger]

To the pot with you

[worthy egret]

zag ended up in the house cause food poisoning and Hypnos couldn't stop laughing

[brazen isle]

dynamite fishing
only instead of dynamite its the special attack from exagryph

[nimble ocean]

and there is a chance of random uncle Poseidon's wrath

[hexed river]

hey uh, what do you think about a two-sword weapon? i don't even know what i should be named, just an idea

[brazen isle]

Hmm. How would its experience be different from the available weapons?

[hexed river]

good question

let me think

well i thought about the blades getting copies of themselves that strike with you as you fight (like maybe 2 or 3) and throwing them with the special

no other weapon does that... but at the same time it sounded better in my head XD

[light fog]

So. Just gonna say the Arthur Aspect is freaking awesome.

I like dashing during the second attack to get a big ol' wide swing. That's neat.

[pliant dagger]

The trap disabling is dope too

Makes extreme measures hydra a breeze

[flat vapor]

ye i hadn't thought about it beforehand but i realized today it disabled lava

[light fog]

DOES IT? omg

This sword is bottled manliness.

How does it disable traps though?

[flat vapor]

if the aura is covering a floor trap, the trap won't activate if you step on the covered part

[light fog]

oooh

[pliant dagger]

It disables the spear traps in Elysium (unsure about if it disables the ones that shoot an arrow)

And I don't think it disables the saw/guillotine traps

Guillotine is only disabled if it's the one you have to step on to trigger

[hexed river]

Arthur aspect?

[hollow heron]

#h1-story-discussion has the unlock pinned

[hexed river]

Oh ok thx

[hollow heron]

(also identity of final boss is spoiler)

[hexed river]

Yeah yeah mb x-x

Already deleted it c:

[light fog]

The final boss is Thor. Plot twist!

[hexed river]

The final boss is dusa

[light fog]

Full form or nah? lol!

[novel wasp]

the final boss is default dance zag

[noble sage]

the final boss is Zag himself

wouldn't that actually be crazy

your build used against you

[novel wasp]

nah

T pose zag that slowly inching its way to you sounds way more menancing

[noble sage]

but the thought of someone building this big numbers build only to be struck down by their own hubris is so entertaining

[novel wasp]

laughs in zeus

[worthy egret]

Yourself? As a final boss?

||[ROYCE BRACKET LAUGHTER]||

[acoustic jasper]

All jokes aside, the real final boss is ||Tiny Vermin||

[worthy egret]

||Chaos: Answer my riddle, or die.
Chaos: What walks on four legs in the morning, two at noon, and three in the evening?
Zagreus:
Zagreus, pointing at the mutating vermin: That thing?||

[brazen isle]

he's not wrong

[novel wasp]

Chaos: Shii... Well theres your reward, Defiance, now go

[worthy egret]

God if only you could get it that easily

[primal whale]

I've always disliked that riddle because you're just supposed to go along with the premise that morning, noon, and evening mean different things all of a sudden...

[mellow vessel]

A lot of riddles are like that though

[primal whale]

Perhaps I dislike a lot of riddles

I grew up playing this card "game" called mind trap

and mind trap II

[dark cradle]

Most riddles are just lame jokes where you as the audience have to do all the work to figure out the dumb punchline lol

[primal whale]

and it was essentially a huge collection of riddles that they tried to build a game around, but the game was dumb so we just did the riddles. Those were some legit riddles

[quartz knoll]

idk if this is the appropriate place to ask but how do I unlock aspects that say "Unavailable due to underworld construction?"

I wanted to try Excalibur but can't

[hollow heron]

excalibur unlock is pinned in #h1-story-discussion

[primal whale]

The requirements to unlock that aspect are pinned under the spoilers channel

[quartz knoll]

ah I see

I just started out with the game

I haven't really unlocked anything except Chaos aspect of the shield lol

so same goes with other aspects too? have to spend titan blood to unlock it

[hollow heron]

yep

[quartz knoll]

damn so I can't hoard blood and actually have to use it

[primal whale]

Well you can eventually

Or you could just not spend it when you can

But I've got like 50+ blood that I can't spend

[hollow heron]

I unlocked all the aspects I could first and now have set up Arthur unlock reqs and starting to upgrade aspects feels so good

[primal whale]

Its fun to unlock things. On my normal account I just outright upgraded everything this patch as soon as I got it, but on my hell mode account I'm still working my way up, which is a lot more gratifying

Doing twin fists and stygian cast, got +1 cast chaos early, then got another +1 cast chaos 2 rooms after.

[hollow heron]

Nice

Do you regen them all at once or one at a time?

[primal whale]

They each have their own separate coold

cool down

I immediately transitioned into a ares cast build for biome 2 and now Im just hoping for the whole kit and kaboodle

[hollow heron]

That's crazy good

[primal whale]

Yeah I can't even keep them all out before they regen. I need flurry cast

And I got vicious cycle... gonna be one of those runs

[quartz knoll]

where can I find suggested build and stuff like that?

[hollow heron]

Generally you just roll with what you get

[quartz knoll]

ah

is it bad to use god mode? does it lock me out of anything?

[hollow heron]

It shouldn't afaik

It just makes the game easier and that's ok!

[primal whale]

Once you unlock the god's keepsakes and understand the general mechanics of the game, there is a way to force rng in your favor

but its never guaranteed

[brave thicket]

until it becomes too boring with 80% dr

[primal whale]

But there are builds that you can aim for

[quartz knoll]

It just makes the game easier and that's ok!
@hollow heron
Thanks man I just want to know. Kinda wanted to use it to unlock stuff faster then run normally

[brave thicket]

takes 30 deaths to reach the cap

[primal whale]

Just do whatever is fun for you

[quartz knoll]

I was afraid running in god mode stops you from unlocking stuff

[primal whale]

It doesn't

[quartz knoll]

that's cool to know

[primal whale]

Some people don't get into perfecting twitchy gameplay and thats a great mode to play the game and not have to worry about making nearly no mistakes

[hollow heron]

Is there any use for diamonds other than songs once i do all the default work orders

[vale acorn]

some story events cost diamonds

[hollow heron]

cool

[vapid pagoda]

Hi guys. The 6th weapon isn’t showing up in the infernal arms room. What should I do?

[vale kite]

did you get back into the game just now

[primal whale]

Do a run and either win or die and it will probably get unlocked

[worthy egret]

I give you: a Malphon aspect that's either

• mittens
• infinity gauntlet
• garden claws

Please also consider an exagryph aspect that is just kitchen gun

[brisk trail]

What's kitchen gun?

I'm not opposed to it, mostly just curious.

[worthy egret]

https://youtu.be/6-7NDP8V-6A

[icy cradle]

Is the final boss’ thrust attack supposed to be unblockable? I recently came back to the game, ran shield, and seemed to keep getting hit by that attack while blocking.

[tight obsidian]

it should be blockable but he strikes faster than expected

the windup is strange

[burnt breach]

for anyone interested, I have updated codex menu mod #self-promotion (fixed a bug and reworked mirror of night)

[vapid pagoda]

@vale kite haha yeah. I was only interested in playing the 6th weapon. Nyx design looks dope. I’ll try the run and die thing

[vale kite]

yeah do that

[mellow vessel]

@worthy egret oven mitts

[brisk trail]

I spent 3 diamonds on the administrative chamber

I thought it did something

Nope

[noble sage]

it let's you see how much you've failed :D

[brisk trail]

I could’ve saved those for bouldy

But I had to know

[noble sage]

Bouldy?

[brisk trail]

Now I have to grind a bunch a gems to trade in

The super keepsake

That summons bouldy

[noble sage]

isn't unlocking that part of the questline now

I know

[brisk trail]

Oh

The option to lighten his sentence hasn’t come up yet even though I’ve talked to everyone

[noble sage]

could be wrong but

it's not just buying it anymore

have you maxed Sissyphus first off?

[brisk trail]

There’s a heart with a lock

One with meg too

[noble sage]

then yeah dialogue thing

You probably needed to unlock the administration for it

[brisk trail]

I talked to all of them and he dosent say anything new

But I’ll try and find him again

Gotta get lucky

[vagrant flint]

I'VE GOT A QUESTION
https://i.imgur.com/UHLOLIi.png

[eternal umbra]

[remote lily]

whats the game?

[eternal umbra]

SteamWorld Quest

Good game

[remote lily]

found faster 😄 but thanks 😄 did not know there is something like that

[eternal umbra]

ah fair enough 😄

[remote lily]

Might pick it up on switch later if it will be on sale, I like turn based games 😄

btw if you played this one maybe you could enjoy Battle Chasers: Nightwar

[molten haven]

If you like turned based games you might like darkest dungeon

[remote lily]

oh for sure i played, but I think we should move to off-top if we want to continue

[abstract fable]

In hades the doom icon is based off the sword of Damocles I believe

Might be the same idea there

[worthy egret]

OH

that makes sense

[mellow vessel]

that’s what I figured it was

[solar prism]

Hey guys, is there a way to reset or jump back to house of hades?

I am stuck on elysium with patroclus

[mellow vessel]

Stuck in what way?

Like it’s bugged out?

[solar prism]

Yeah. I cannot talk to Patroclus to proceed to any chamber. Loading my save game would bring me back to the chamber. LOL

[hollow igloo]

Is there a good writeup somewhere of how the room-to-room flow works in each act? Like, how it affects your upcoming choices if you take a chaos, or skip a mini boss choice, or odds for fountains/special characters, things like that

[lilac coyote]

can you "reroll hammer"?

[flat vapor]

what do you mean

[lilac coyote]

the hammer upgrade. can you reroll the selection

Daedalus Hammer

[mellow vessel]

No

[lilac coyote]

you have to unlock all weapons

then start a game and die and come back

[brisk trail]

Is there a name for the song Eurydice sings? Or is it sort of an original work that the team developed specifically for this game?

Good Riddance.

Original song for the game, yes.

Ooh, awesome. The song is really beautiful.

I was also wondering if the artist (the talking scenes, the art to the left) has any social media where I can follow them?

https://twitter.com/0jenzee0

Jen Zee (@0jenzee0)

Art Director @Supergiantgames for Bastion, Transistor, Pyre and Hades! I LOVE THINGS. And stuff.

Tweets

2951

Followers

18614

Twitter

[mellow vessel]

Oh beat me to it haha

And Paige does the models right?

[brisk trail]

Yeah, Jen retweets a lot of Paige's stuff.

Thank you sooo muchhh

Anyone ever tells you that video games aren't art, you slap them in the mouth and point them to Supergiant Games.

[mellow vessel]

Seriously

The art, music, story

The dialogue!!

It’s all fantastic

[lilac coyote]

whats the best weapon and aspect?

[mellow vessel]

Depends on what you mean by “best”

[lilac coyote]

fastest at killing

[mellow vessel]

I think @uneven spruce has the WR with the rail?

[uneven spruce]

Not anymore, Haelian took it back with a 6:13 yesterday!

[lilac coyote]

my best is 37 minute 🙂

[uneven spruce]

300+ attempts yesterday after he took the WR back, 4 sub 7's but this one's gonna be tough to beat

[worthy egret]

just beat the game with Exagryph!

wait

like

6 minutes?

[mellow vessel]

300 attempts??? How are your hands still functioning?

You’re going to give yourself a repetitive stress injury

[uneven spruce]

Yeah, granted a lot were resets

And my hand is in rough shape lmao. Thumb is ruined from dash-striking so m uch

[lyric talon]

I wonder if they have a hidden chatroom just for posting the update messages to make sure that the formatting is correct 🤔

[molten gorge]

I keep forgetting what the "" means in the patch notes

[lyric talon]

It means it was implemented based on community feedback

Like bug reports or suggestions etc

[molten gorge]

nice, thanks :D

[uneven spruce]

Did they just remove the hydra skip???????

[vagrant hemlock]

Thank you to the devs for all the patching and love. I am hooked on the game. I"m playing very long hours....

[uneven spruce]

@vale drift "+ Fixed rare cases where boss damage limits between phases could be bypassed at the start of fights"

Hydra skip is gone?

[vale drift]

I believe that's what this means yes. It's not intended that boss fights be skippable.

[worthy egret]

parent chaos speaks through the shield oh my god i love that

[vagrant hemlock]

wow i never skipped hydra lol

i must be out of loop

[uneven spruce]

Makes sense, but RIP taking back that WR!

[knotty epoch]

rip speedruns

[uneven spruce]

Yeah

Haelians WR can't be beaten without some sort of hydra skip I'd imagine unfortunately

[pliant dagger]

can't wait for chaos to trash talk me when i get hit by 50 attacks

[uneven spruce]

But in the end, it was a bug so. I figured it'd get patched out eventually

[old pagoda]

This is something I noticed after meeting Alecto for the first time -- the emotes for her reactions appear on / near her torso instead of around her head like the other character portraits

[mellow vessel]

Wouldn’t it make sense to track records for different game versions separately?

Since changes could substantially affect the possible times

[uneven spruce]

Technically you're doing enough damage to actually kill the hydra

[vale drift]

Merxi, I will look into that. If something looks off/wrong, you can always press F10 to report it as a bug.

[worthy egret]

zagreus forgets there is an attack curse and attacks pots

[uneven spruce]

but timer pauses while you finish off the heads, so it was really key in speedruns

[worthy egret]

yes that happened to me i deserve to be trash talked by chaos

i almost died

[pliant dagger]

chaos: scrub

[mellow vessel]

@worthy egret I would love some Bastion-style narration about what Zag’s doing during runs lol

[worthy egret]

poor Zag, isnt one narrator enough

[flat vapor]

rest in piece haelian

[worthy egret]

.

wait

but does chaos have lines for when you can enter a portal

and you dont

c o w a r d

[uneven spruce]

We might have to reset the speedrun leaderboard since this change is so big

[mellow vessel]

@uneven spruce as a completely objective observer I think that makes total sense

[pliant dagger]

i have no idea what the hydra skip even is

[worthy egret]

same

[brisk trail]

^ same

[uneven spruce]

Yeah, a bit unfortunate for Haelian since his WR is so so good

[mellow vessel]

The figure skating world records all got tracked separately after they slightly changed the scoring system

It’s okay, he’s got it locked in for this version

[uneven spruce]

Basically hydra spawn

[flat vapor]

if you did enough damage at the very beginning of the hydra fight, you could skip his first phase

[uneven spruce]

Then hydra dies

[mellow vessel]

You can have lists by version, no?

[flat vapor]

and his shield for the second phase won't appear

[mellow vessel]

He has the record for version 0.whatever.whatever

[uneven spruce]

Not just 1st phase, you can skip entire fight with enough damage

[brisk trail]

Oh

[worthy egret]

lernie?

more like

lerNONE

[uneven spruce]

[worthy egret]

why are you booing me

I'm right

[mellow vessel]

Lol I’m just teasing

[flat vapor]

involved battie because it did enough damage fast enough, usually

[mellow vessel]

Like groaning at a bad pun

[uneven spruce]

That pun was worst than removing hydra skip

[narrow hemlock]

one of these days its on sight for you punners

[eternal umbra]

You people are no pun at all

[narrow hemlock]

🔪

[pliant dagger]

oh wait i just watched the speedrun i think i know what they're talking about now

but i didn't know it skipped the whole fight 🤔

[uneven spruce]

There is a hydra skip, and a partial hydra skip

Partial skips 2nd invul phase and main head can be killed sooner, then you finish off small heads with a paused timer

Full skip involves killing hydra as soon as it spawns in, leaving behind like 8 heads while timer is paused

[pliant dagger]

wild

[narrow hemlock]

i knew you could skip most of the fight with hydra skip but its been. a while and i dont keep tabs on speedruns so i didnt know it could be skipped entirely. i still couldnt wrap my head around the fact hydra skip even existed at the time

[uneven spruce]

Partial you still have to wait for 1 invul phase so its slower, but still good time save

[flat vapor]

the speedrunners are quaking rn

[narrow hemlock]

24 Mar 2020 rest in peace hydra skip 🌹

[uneven spruce]

I've only gotten the full skip twice, it's kinda hard to deal enough damage to actually kill him as he spawns

[frank ravine]

You need to deal 6k damage in ~1.5 secs I believe

[uneven spruce]

Yeah

Last 4 WR's all had partial skips

[frank ravine]

It was also the only flashy cool tech the runs had 😅

[uneven spruce]

Haha I guess it's not realistic to expect Supergiant to leave such a bug in their game

[hollow igloo]

Especially for a game in EA, I think fixing bugs should be the expectation

[narrow hemlock]

well in fairness if there was any way to exploit anything in the game to clear it faster, the speedrunners were 100% inevitably going to find it. unless you're doing glitchess runs or something, the entire point of speedrunning is clearing with the fastest time possible by whatever means is available to you

[hollow igloo]

There will be years post-release for speedrunners to continue finding tricks (and they will)

[uneven spruce]

Yeah

You bet we will

This won't stop us ofc

[hollow igloo]

But I don't think there should be an expectation of speedrun leaderboard integrity between EA patches

[uneven spruce]

We are still gonna run this amazing game

The leaderboard resets every update already so yeah

[hollow igloo]

Do speedruns just have to hope you get the second door in act4? (how common is that btw? anecdotally it seems way more than 25%)

[west canyon]

I swear the doors are running a monty hall without us knowing (jk)

but every time I change my mind and the 2nd I pick is the bag I suspect telepathy

[worthy egret]

i lowkey want to do a run with the shield of chaos just to hear momdad

also i

get the 2nd door usually too

[uneven spruce]

@hollow igloo Yes, It's called sack RNG

[half surge]

F for hydra skip

[worthy egret]

is that like some sort of a sense tm we have

[uneven spruce]

If you don't get on 2nd door it's usually rip run

[worthy egret]

get the SACC

[uneven spruce]

Yeah Ship

[half surge]

Thanatos and Sack RNG are 2 things I hope they eventually give ways to negate

[uneven spruce]

Out of nowhere

Like 30 mins ago

[west canyon]

as always, secure the bag

its a fact of life, that bag needs securing

[half surge]

Tight Deadline negates survival rooms, so hopefully the other run killers can be dealt with similarly

[uneven spruce]

I'd love to see tight deadline negate thanatos as well

[half surge]

Obviously: it's a roguelite and RNG is part of the experience. But both thanatos and sack RNG is entirely independant from how you play

[uneven spruce]

9min negate survival, 7min negate thanatos

[hollow igloo]

You don't want to negate too much with tight deadline since it's meant for non-speedrun play initially

[worthy egret]

ive never tried tight deadline

how much stress does it cause

[half surge]

Well the nature of tight deadline requires you to speedrun

But I understand what you mean

[hollow igloo]

Tight deadline existing probably means that room distribution in floors might have to be a bit normalized

[worthy egret]

SPEED

[hollow igloo]

Sort of what I was asking above--I don't know the rules of how floors are generated between free events, normal rooms, things that take unusually long, etc.

[uneven spruce]

RNG is weird in Hades

[hollow igloo]

I'd (channeling my game-designer-by-day thoughts) probably would bucket those into groups and have rules about how many spawn

[half surge]

There's usually min rooms and max rooms in terms of where it can spawn (per biome)

And also how many can spawn per biome

Shops and Fountain rooms for example

[hollow igloo]

Also if you want to be nice about speedrunning, you could probably say that Sack is always in the second room if the clock is under 10min

[uneven spruce]

Curious to see what will happen with the current leaderboard

Don't think it's possible to beat current WR anymore

[half surge]

I'm curious too but I'm also a speedrun mod so

[uneven spruce]

Yeah that's right haha

[half surge]

I guess we'll discuss it. Downpatching is possible for any steam game, but it's annoying to deal with

Could make a subcategory just for this patch, hydra skip / no hydra skip

[hollow igloo]

also worse spectator experience because you get separated from the normal game

[uneven spruce]

Well, I'll wait around for the final decision. No matter what yall decide we'll keep running for sure

[hollow igloo]

So since speedrunners know the game really well probably--is there a good writeup of the room spawn rules somewhere? e.g. how choices can affect future rooms?

[uneven spruce]

It's very complicated

Almost everything has an impact on your RNG

[hollow igloo]

Yeah, I saw how the game tries to normalize towards an expected ratio of metaprogress items

But also just curious about--how you know if you're likely to get free rooms like shops/characters/fountains, is that affected by how many combats you do, when you take a miniboss, etc.

[uneven spruce]

I think shops appear in set chambers, not sure haven't done much research

And as far as I know its just luck getting fountains/friends

We do some RNG manipulation in the current meta to get Spread fire > Epic artemis attack > Chaos epic dash strike > Hermes +3 dashes

But its not easy to pull off that many chambers in, because everything you do changes RNG

So routing isn't usually done that far into the runs

[hollow igloo]

what kind of RNG manipulation?

[flint fossil]

Downpatching is probably necessary if we're going to keep the current leaderboard

[uneven spruce]

Things like casting before entering the next chamber

[hollow igloo]

In seeded runs?

[uneven spruce]

Yes

[flint fossil]

@hollow igloo Everything you do between fights changes the outcome of the next chamber, so by doing specific actions before going in you can mostly guarantee what you'll see if you keep it consistent

[hollow igloo]

Is speedrun competition done seeded?

[flint fossil]

Also "seeded" runs are just the same save file

and yeah they are usually

[hollow igloo]

ah

[flint fossil]

Because there is no way to guarantee someone isn't doing so

Plus its a cool process so I don't really mind it

Allows for a more level playing field of skill at the same time

Instead of RNG determining who gets the fastest run, its pure skill

(though even in seeded and manipulated runs, there is still a TON of RNG)

[hollow igloo]

Seeded vs. unseeded can both be nice categories for a roguelike

[flint fossil]

The name 'seeded' doesn't even really describe what we're doing tbh

And its impossible for someone to verify a run isn't 'seeded'

so 'unseeded' won't ever be a category likely

[uneven spruce]

Right

[flint fossil]

You can even manipulate new file% or whatever its called to a small degree I think

[forest grotto]

ok so seriously anyone at all have you heard chaos the gate say "heed my call"?

[brisk trail]

Yes, and I was terrified first time I heard it.

[forest grotto]

thank you seriously me too

i felt compelled to enter but nothing happened

[hollow igloo]

Do Chaos room not count in terms of the number of rooms in a floor?

[uneven spruce]

pretty sure they do unless you take it in the last chamber

[hollow igloo]

so what are the cases where the boss isn't in the 12th room?

[uneven spruce]

You take a chaos/erebus before the final shop/free room

Then it gives you an extra room after

[hollow igloo]

ah

so you can count on the 11th room being noncombat?

[uneven spruce]

Not sure the exact number but yeah

[brisk trail]

Boss is in the 14th room.

When you're at 12, you know the next room will be a free item or Charon.

[hollow igloo]

ah, probably remembered wrong, but cool

[uneven spruce]

Thanks, never payed any attention to the chamber numbers

[hollow igloo]

just making sure I understood when I know to expect a free item

[brisk trail]

You can also step in a Chaos or Erebus gate for a free extension.

[hollow igloo]

is there something similar with dodging a miniboss--either with Chaos, or picking something else over the skull room?

[brisk trail]

Minibosses can be skipped.

[uneven spruce]

Chaos can skip minibosses yeah

[brisk trail]

Bosses and the free pre-boss room cannot.

Can add up to 3 chambers to your run.

[hollow igloo]

if you see the miniboss offer (6th (?) room skull), does that permanently skip it, or will it try to offer again?

[uneven spruce]

You also can't skip hydra

[brisk trail]

It can be offered again.

Not guaranteed.

[hollow igloo]

thanks

[worthy egret]

Oh dammit the affinity gauge expanding animation startled me

[frank ravine]

Mini bosses are offered exactly 2 times

Often it can offer them at the same time if the room you're in has 2 exits

[proud orbit]

also minibosses only appear at certain depths

[civic path]

How do you tell what room you're in? Do you just keep count?

[proud orbit]

open the boon display

b on kb&m dunno what on gamepad

its in the top right "Chamber X"

[civic path]

Oh jeez, how did I never notice that... guess that's what I get for mostly remembering what my boons are each run

Thanks

[brisk trail]

Possible spoilers? ||wait there are romance options in this game?||

[primal whale]

yes

[worthy egret]

Im only now discovering but god did it make me happy

[brisk trail]

Oh god this game just keeps getting better

[worthy egret]

Enemies: Haven't even finished spawning
Thanatos, preparing his zone over them already: omae wa mou shindeiru.

[merry harbor]

If they wanna stop dying maybe they should stop spawning, is all I'm saying

[placid dagger]

From the newest patch, I assume I can now finally finish the Orpheus side quest? I've had him and the girl maxxed out for a while but never got any dialogue to bring them together

[idle lily]

Question, how does one get to Erebus?

[sharp parcel]

you need to play at a certain amount of heat

[idle lily]

ah

my highest rn is either 6 or 8

[sharp parcel]

that's good enough for the first biome

[normal wraith]

Fun thing I just realizes, it wouldn't actually be too far fetched to suggest the 4th form of the rail could be a BFG reference. Now obviously this isn't saying that doom happens, but rather eventually that when the next age inevitably comes or the titans break free they're a human(?) champion that steps up to defend the gods.

[sharp parcel]

look for portals after clearing out a room

[normal wraith]

Since the greeks have a habit of not exactly moving between ages very... Peacefully.

[sharp parcel]

I think the consensus was that it'll be the John Rambo aspect

really, it's just a natural progression

[normal wraith]

Rambo? Really?

As in like the 80s movie or?

[brisk trail]

Needs to be a famous weapon, ideally named (the two we have so far were).

[sharp parcel]

I'm joking, of course

unless...

[normal wraith]

True, but of course there aren't that many named guns in history nor many famous gun men. I figured if they keep moving further into the future they could make it some subplot about Zag seeing a warrior covered in odd armor fighting their way into the underworld.

[sharp parcel]

well, we're talking guns, but they could use a cannon instead

[normal wraith]

I mean yeah but I don't particularly see many fitting the bill here.

It'd be more likely to be a rocket launcher given the gun is already an automatic rifle.

[sharp parcel]

the aspect of Freedom and Democracy ™️

[brave thicket]

Communism better tbh

[normal wraith]

Inb4 it turns out that it's the aspect of a completely unknown woman with two different colored eyes and flaming feet.

[marsh jackal]

just wanted to say I finally have all aspects maxed and it feels good

[brave thicket]

zagreanie

[mild needle]

i just tried out 32 heat for the first time with forced overtime... mobs are so hard to beat, holy hell

[sharp parcel]

believe in Chaos Shield, my friend

[mild needle]

i only managed to get to asphodel

i took the special upgrade from chaos which prevent me from using chaos special

in hindsight that was too much

[sharp parcel]

Chaos giveth, and Chaos taketh away

[flat vapor]

charon's favorite food are mozzarella styx

[alpine stratus]

jhgvhjfvhjfvhj

[mild needle]

Zag gave him some chocolate gold coin and charon also likes it very much

[sharp parcel]

turns out Charon can't talk because Zag gave him some taffies

[flat vapor]

charon finds it very hard to get a bf, he always gets

ghosted

[lethal fog]

Does Chaos count towards the Family Favorite damage increase?

[sharp parcel]

no, only Olympians do

[lethal fog]

ty

[west chasm]

@flat vapor Charon is a skeleton man

[flat vapor]

he drives ghosts around

[west chasm]

But they are shades not ghosts

Ghost implies that they are outside of hades

Shades are within Hades

It's like a lava/magma thing

[calm laurel]

ah

doesn't Skelly fill that role?

[flat vapor]

📐

[calm laurel]

right (angle)

[west chasm]

Skelly is skeleton

Charon is skeleton man

I rest my case

[calm laurel]

so Charon is just a skeleton covered in flesh?

or like bone armour

[west chasm]

In the myths?

[calm laurel]

no lol

[west chasm]

Charon was just a thin dude

[calm laurel]

ah

[west chasm]

Charon has no art nor model yet

[calm laurel]

yeah

at least we now know he likes to smoke

[radiant tangle]

During an accident as a child, Charon broke his arm, and was then exposed to X-rays

These rays revealed that he was, in fact, part man, part skeleton

A skeleton man

[primal whale]

I hear he part times as a sparring partner punching bag for Zag

[quartz knoll]

it's honestly weird when you have gods calling Zag cousin and nephew

but you don't see Demeter calls him grandson

[brisk trail]

That's because they're aware of their relation through Hades, but not through Persephone.

[night turret]

And probably because stirring trouble with Goddes that punched someone out of existence is not that of a great idea

[warm dove]

So you think you can stop me?

https://imgur.com/akA4eDd

[brisk trail]

That's, uh. That's a hell of a spawn, Hades.

[quartz knoll]

And probably because stirring trouble with Goddes that punched someone out of existence is not that of a great idea
@night turret
Who did she do that to again

[brisk trail]

Her father, Hyperion.

[quartz knoll]

oh

but well

I wanted some grandma action

or just hint to it

"I see so much of myself in you Zagreus"

or something

[mellow vessel]

@warm dove there is a noise to the fishing bob too

When a fish bites

Not that I think stuff should spawn in those spots, but it’s possible to still catch it

[worthy egret]

I love fishing so much honestly

Finally managed to find Chaos spots

I love how Chaos is just like

👁️ 👁️ when you start fishing in their domain

[night turret]

There lies a question... How much of His Domain is He himself?

[brave thicket]

he is all and nothing

[night turret]

I would be 👁️ 👁️ too if some lad just strolled by and started fishing IN ME

[merry harbor]

THey ere formed from the Primordial Chaos, but yet seem to be seperate from it. So they're probably both keenly aware of it but not like. BASED in it.

[brave thicket]

He is his Domain and not it

[merry harbor]

(also they use they, not he, pls)

[brave thicket]

oops

[merry harbor]

I, too, would also be 👁️ 👁️ if you're right though and that just IS them.

[night turret]

That's a First-language quirks that you need to bash out of me with a hammer...

[brave thicket]

but the question is, if you fish in the overworld are you fishing in Ponthos/naiads/nymphs?

[merry harbor]

If I remember correctly, sometimes naiads in stories WOULD be aware if you started polluting them? So maybe?? that's kinda weird to consider and probably uncomfortabke

[light night]

I really want to see Demeter's reaction to finding out she's a grandma

[brave thicket]

wait, if we consider this, the fish can be considered parasites by CHaos, and instead of Fishing in HIm, we are cleansing HIm of the pestss

[worthy egret]

I don't think they see the fishies as pests

[brave thicket]

why

[worthy egret]

It almost felt like they were surprised they had fish. XD

[merry harbor]

More like "Oh right I made that, huh, wonder how likely that was"

[worthy egret]

Also praise Zag's eyes for noticing a fish in THAT water

[merry harbor]

Probably not the oddest thing they'd ever seen, y'know? A surprise fish might almost be quaint.

[brave thicket]

khaos existed before chronos

so nothing surprises him

[worthy egret]

Them

[brave thicket]

iesous, chaos, choose a gender

[merry harbor]

They have and it's "no"

gender is for nerds

[worthy egret]

"godddamned kids and their gender"

[merry harbor]

there wasn't any genders when THEY came into being, these newfangled trends

[brave thicket]

but, gods are kids to them

[worthy egret]

Chaos is with gender like a boomer with a phone

[brave thicket]

so who damns the gods

[merry harbor]

uhhh. Hm.

....hm

[brave thicket]

chaos saying goddamn kids make no sense, seeing that the gods are kids

[worthy egret]

I think they'd say it anyway because it sounds funny

[merry harbor]

I guess that's why the gods tend to use "blood and darkness" instead

I can see Zeus or Poseidon being arrogant to curse on his own name though

[brave thicket]

"by the name of me, what are you doing"

[merry harbor]

YEAH

[worthy egret]

Chaos from the shield after they see me eating shredded cheese plain from the fridge at 2 am

[merry harbor]

oh my god

[brave thicket]

You notice that zeus is not the only being with a super overactive loin?

[worthy egret]

Whats loin?

[merry harbor]

The uh, kid making bits.

[worthy egret]

O

[brave thicket]

gaia managed to have sex with ouranos, ponthos, tartarus, erebus, ourae, and most of the male protogenoi

[merry harbor]

I guess the earth really does get around huh

im sorry

[brave thicket]

good pun!

[merry harbor]

Anyways, yeah, like... I kinda wish we knew more about the Titans and stuff in the Hades lore. It sounds super cool even if it is tangential to the story being told.

[brave thicket]

titans dont mess around with each other much

[merry harbor]

And are also dead.

or "dead"

[brave thicket]

no actually

[merry harbor]

The closest they can get to being dead, anywho.

[brave thicket]

most of the titanids, oceanos and atlas is still alive

[merry harbor]

Aren't most of them dismembered and held deep below Tartarus in Hades lore as a result of the Olympians' war on them? I know sstuff is different in actual mythology.

[brave thicket]

titanids mostly are neutral or helps the gods

atlas, well, carring the sky