really? Interesting, thought it was the same for every boss
#h1-discussion
sharp parcel
cunning yacht
wish there was an efficient way to farm it
but even if u go into chaos rooms
u have to get lucky
to have the X% darkness
doon
boon
warm dove
farming is not that matter because
cunning yacht
god
warm dove
you can get at least 100 darkness for each place
300 for all
and base on the updated
mirror take less than the past
cunning yacht
true i guess
warm dove
so just run run run
cunning yacht
i want to keep going for new runs
but i want to get bk that 8888 i had to give to nyx
:d
warm dove
lul that no big deal i do new heat every run tho
70 escape
120 run
i have quiet enough to give the mirror
only the roll left
cunning yacht
yea thats the one i want tho
warm dove
got 6 of them
cunning yacht
im quite unlucky
warm dove
only need 10000 to get the last
warm dove
u only have 7 at first
and when u upgrade it with contractor
each time uy get chtonic key
cunning yacht
rip
warm dove
u have 1 more reroll
warm dove
so the number is not that matter those
warm dove
if its enless there is no reverse mirror
cunning yacht
btw on that note do u know if excalidur can proc the double dash of daedalus it doesnt seem to do so or im blind
tiny sage
I got a little question - With Stygian Soul automatically refreshing your Soul Shards and enemies not dropping them anymore, and Coronachts' Hera Upgrade making foes drop the shards quicker - isn't that just a straight up nerf to the weapon if you play with extra damage to units with shards stuck in them?
I get it when u can reuse them but if they drop it without any benefit to you then that feels just weird
tiny sage
so it rly just isnt compatible
tiny sage
okay gotcha. thanks :)
cunning yacht
and get artemis
for another 3
and see the massive dmg :d
specialy if u get the dual shot too
so its 12 shots
tiny sage
sounds good to me
cunning yacht
i always try to squize 1 demeter in there too just to get that dmg boost when u have 0/x casts
warm dove
like if u try to build the hit cast
use the 3
if u try to build the damage or drop cast use the new one
cunning yacht
imo the +3 is vast superior
warm dove
like demeter and dionysus but i prefer the 3
cunning yacht
from the 1 that regen every 3 sec
if it was less time maybe
most times that u hit something with 3 casts
it dies later on on the run
warm dove
if u like the Smoothie Hades build
cunning yacht
and early on u dont rly need the power
warm dove
u want the 3 one
same with dionysus because each deal tons of damage
i thinks the new one only effect with demeter cast
cunning yacht
hmm
if i go for demeter cast
its only with the artemis
boon
so i rather have more
btw
warm dove
u have to avoid damage when u current casting it
cunning yacht
do the ploom take away the dodge u acimulate if u remove it during the run ?
warm dove
so u want to collect its as soon as possible
it said
3sec for new one
it mean u dont have to collect the blood
u know what i mean
cunning yacht
yea i guess
personaly i feel its +2 cast is too good
just like the 2nd dash is too good
i like the new +50% dmg for when u dash near perfect
warm dove
i guess people like what they used to
cunning yacht
but still the 2nd dash is too good for me
warm dove
me 2nd dash because iam not good at dodging
cunning yacht
the 50% dmg on undamaged enemy tho
its insanely good
specialy with something like hera bow
or excalibur
warm dove
take time to get use to it and this community will figure out something cool
warm dove
EARLY ACCESS GANGS
cunning yacht
so i can start using that -25% dmg
but i am so agressive
i always get hit once or twice
and on later heat
1-2 times is all it takes
xd
cunning yacht
arthur aspect is just too fun
btw
beat hades u mean on 32 heat ?
or just on runs?
warm dove
32 heat
cunning yacht
i just cant get the poseidon sword to work for me
novel wasp
cause its too slow
novel wasp
even with hermes epic faster attack you wish you were using nemesis
warm dove
yessssssssss
yeah u can deal like over 1k damage but its too slow
cant catch up on time
novel wasp
the final slash with crit can do some real damage though
i clapped hades cheeks with 5000 damage
novel wasp
also the best part, you have artemis nuke call
immediately charge half a bar with that one slap
novel wasp
you need to rely on dash strike
good thing your combo wont be lost if you keep dash striking
also remember lets break it down every once in a while
warm dove
need to get used to it
novel wasp
your Q is literally what makes you able to slap people with 3rd hit
warm dove
as a main sword, cant beat 32 heat is my disapointment
novel wasp
Im punchy gang now
but i still use forks
the best part of the gloves is that with a certain hammer you could get no delay with no compromise for it
unlike most other weapon which features faster attacks but comes with a huge price
warm dove
yeah the upgrade have the end is dash strike is op
i was like make hades charm 70% of time
lul
novel wasp
bow's are the biggest offender here, sure you get faster attack speed, but the problem is that bow having a pointer before now it lost that pointer it could be harder for you to aim lul
I personally can powershot consistently so i dont need it either
novel wasp
the sword is actually having another sad one with the flurry slash, how dare you lose the best part of the weapon, the T H R U S T
novel wasp
thats only good with support fire
cunning yacht
if u take the 500% extra trap dmg
warm dove
apply 8 hit of doom no time
novel wasp
I personally love the double edge sword
it makes up the dmg that sword shouldve for a pure melee weapon
but its very lethal for arthur because more hits = more delay for the big slappy
novel wasp
why would you want double edge
you get 4 hits instead of 3
you wanna reach the last asap why would you trap youtself
as if the weapon isnt slow enough already
cunning yacht
what i do so far
novel wasp
i had it before and it was a huge mistake imo
warm dove
the double edge make ur dash strike hit twice so i think with the huge damage its will have great portential
cunning yacht
and if u can get dash strike buff from chaos
and something like main attack aphrodite
oh boi it hits hard
novel wasp
the last hit damage deals more than the previous two hit combined
warm dove
i have the double edge and i still can perform the 3 combo of arthur
novel wasp
4*
novel wasp
im not sure, i remembered i cannot even do the 4th hit with it
unless i wanna stand still
and take damage
and god forbid
brave thicket
can dash when charging 4th hit
novel wasp
yeah, kinda unconventional at best
i love arthur big slappy but god is it a pain to use it
the fact that you cannot hold it and you have to click so many times to keep the combo going it hurts my finger lol
warm dove
Myrmidon Bracer, Arthur special and Athena atk
i think i can beat hades when stand still
novel wasp
Have you tried memesis with artemis attack
brave thicket
i can do that with the call of athena
warm dove
that combo is really in the past after they change the way that boon atk bonus
warm dove
not the crit
novel wasp
i could still do giga damage with both crit source
warm dove
like i can deal > 800 with special crit
brave thicket
the damg bonus of the artemis boon is smol
warm dove
novel wasp
there is a reason I call athena and artemis the meta virgins
warm dove
SMOOTHIE HADES GANG
brave thicket
artemis call is bad ya know
warm dove
i like aprodite call better
brave thicket
if it doesnt crit
warm dove
bad?
brave thicket
i had a full volley with like 1 krit
novel wasp
@brave thicket what kind of luck do you have that you dont get crit from 10 arrows, infact i practically nooked half hp of hades
novel wasp
i basically strapped like 10 nuclear missiles into my bow for that
warm dove
u have 70% to crit haft amount of that
brave thicket
only good call is athena
cunning yacht
wowow
warm dove
and dio too
novel wasp
zeus is too slow to deliver the damage
brave thicket
you must stay close to target ofr those calls
cunning yacht
zeus ok maybe isnt as op
novel wasp
yeah
cunning yacht
but dionysus is too good too
novel wasp
artemis just activate as soon as the plot armor drops
cunning yacht
dionysus does rly good dmg
novel wasp
i guess, but the thing is that dio still gets limited from the stack part
novel wasp
full gauge dio is really garbage
cunning yacht
and once it drops it reapplys in secs
warm dove
dio max really good like u deal 8 stack with his call was like 12x8 damage in 0.5 sec
and if u get the longer duration boon
its huge u know
novel wasp
didnt the 8 stack only applies to getting aphro duo for it?
cunning yacht
if u get that +3 extra
warm dove
even with 5 stack
novel wasp
it still procs 5 for me
warm dove
its pretty op too
warm dove
u dont even need max call for tons of damage
yeah the meta virgin
novel wasp
@warm dove i do very well without call a lot of times
novel wasp
i only actively use calls if I have the defensive ones
cunning yacht
its fine i guess
tidal hedge
the virgin weapon build vs the chad call build
novel wasp
like ares, poseidon, athena
cunning yacht
personaly i skip em unless i rly need it
novel wasp
thats gonna be in the thumbnail of the video for Nerf Artemis
tidal hedge
The Artemis call is really bad without supporting boons
cunning yacht
i find it that myself when i get over confortable with something
i start doing more mistakes
so eh
warm dove
for me i still like zeus call 1.5 sec 84 damage hit like 4 time in 1.5 sec
max for 9 sec
cunning yacht
btw
warm dove
and u can upgrade the damage
novel wasp
zeus imo has some of the most terrible boon lol
the cast is such a joke
sometimes you will lose the bloodstone the entire run
brave thicket
but the lightning is good
warm dove
the lightning strike always good
novel wasp
especially on asphodel where it just want a M A G M A B A T H
cunning yacht
but this one
warm dove
huge damage
cunning yacht
i hate it so much
warm dove
aoe
brave thicket
and who even casts
novel wasp
the lightning bolt is kinda memey
but its better than nothing
still prefer athena dash tho
warm dove
zeus is like the one who give you tons of damage
novel wasp
the get out of jail to 11
warm dove
ares dash only good when u have + n dash and vicious cycle
warm dove
yeah
cunning yacht
its like saying im gonna pick the ares cast
novel wasp
for bow it is probably the most garbage attack boon, but for some weapon like for example rail, zeus attack is like the enemies will click report abuse
warm dove
me when athena dash come up
https://tenor.com/view/yeahhhh-high-drunk-gif-10788735
novel wasp
Me when athena dash comes up
cunning yacht
i wonder
novel wasp
its another free run today bois
cunning yacht
when u use hera bow
and lance the casts
if u have artemis+zeus duo boon
does the lighting proc
the moment it reach ground ?
if yea then its kinda nice
cunning yacht
yea i mean
warm dove
mean its have to be on the ground
cunning yacht
nothing survive hera bow
warm dove
so its have drop
novel wasp
Nothing survive hera bow indeed
cunning yacht
get lighting
novel wasp
topkek
cunning yacht
thats what i assume
warm dove
yeah maybe its true
cunning yacht
i dunno
warm dove
nothing can survive
cunning yacht
needs test
novel wasp
tbh this is where dionysus cast shine, it might be a little hard for people to cast (not me personally) but on hera bow its just pure fun
novel wasp
the trade off is that you actually have to wait for the thing to stay off
cunning yacht
is probably genocide
:d
yea why wait
when u can pick demeter
and make it do dmg
as u wait :d
and it does insane dmg
novel wasp
aphro cast would be great if the hera bow didnt cause it to bug out of the wall like 40% of the time
novel wasp
it deals great damage, sticks and gets off as soon as enemy dies, aka insta get
cunning yacht
but it seem smaller
cunning yacht
rly lol
warm dove
demeter make me feel both good and bad at same time
cunning yacht
i guess im blind
warm dove
her call mewwwwwwww her legendary
novel wasp
demeter punches you
novel wasp
dong zhu, bu xu zou
cunning yacht
xd
cunning yacht
its sad that hera bow exist
novel wasp
demeter cast is mega sucks without artemis
cunning yacht
ye
novel wasp
also grandma slaps that thing with 175% dmg is unreal lol
cunning yacht
i dont get why she is an old lady
novel wasp
that one is kinda sidegrade rather than a real gamechanger
novel wasp
there isnt a theory, every gen 1 olympians look old
cunning yacht
and she is bitter that hades stole her from her
novel wasp
also that is not the first and wont be the last i heard from this server
novel wasp
afaik, this game's canon works slightly differently from the mythos
cunning yacht
its all becouse hades got persephone
warm elbow
One thing is certain, Persephone has green eyes
cunning yacht
ye heh
novel wasp
also spoiler, ||demeter does not know where she went||
warm dove
she angry because she lost her dau
novel wasp
||not even she went to hell and get you as a son, and she does NOT acknowledge you as her grandson, much like all other olympians who thought nyx is still your mom||
||its in the game, keep giving her nectar she will tell you all about it||
cunning yacht
@warm dove this is why i think she is uses winter
becouse of her rage
and why she look so old and all
this is my opinion at least :d
novel wasp
the old part might be just the art decision
cunning yacht
i guess
warm dove
she was gen 1 after all
cunning yacht
poseidon art is kinda nice tho
warm dove
like hades zeus posei
warm dove
i think posei young too fit his personality
novel wasp
Poseidon is just a manchild
cunning yacht
his whole personality is good
the only art i dont understand
is why hades has that white line
but ok
whatever i guess
novel wasp
all gods have it, nyx in her new art shows that as well
cunning yacht
still seem stupid af tho
novel wasp
you are just inconsiderate to the details
warm dove
@novel wasp how to hide your chat
cunning yacht
its adis and aris in greek
warm dove
teach meeee
cunning yacht
so i keep confusing em
novel wasp
@warm dove two || at start and end, or just highlight it and click on the eye button to apply it
cunning yacht
nah
novel wasp
jk i dont even know what that is but i joke thats his sunburn
so hes just very into beaches
warm dove
|| Demeter turn from fighter to naysayer acording to zeus ||
novel wasp
@warm dove ||she just simply tired of zeus' shenanigans, she does not like being associate with him is all, i dont blame her though, in this game's canon, she is not cronus and rhea's 6 children like in the mythos, she is belonging to hyperion and theia||
||and zeus is full of himself both true in the mythos and in this game||
cunning yacht
zeus always been like that tho
stuck comet
Well, I will say that it is definitely possible to kill Hades with Excalibur
I did it with two lives and 10 health at the start
novel wasp
try on em 4 lol
trail inlet
Could someone tell me how secret weapons like excalibur are unlocked?
tidal hedge
Check the pin in #h1-story-discussion
novel wasp
@foggy flame i feel yer pain
foggy flame
Yeah one of the Elysium chambers has a similar problem
unlike Tartarus there are exalted archers and big chariots there
that one really has the higher priority
but sadly I forgot which room it was
novel wasp
the one rectangular, and features a round about
because thats the room i remembered spawn hella lot of flamewheels and big boi chariot?
also features arrow?
foggy flame
are enemy spawns fixed?
like, which room spawns what
I thought it only applies to skull rooms and miniboss rooms?
novel wasp
Probably wont
even though her role is very much connected to your objective
but SGG did mentioned in one reddit thread i saw she is gonna stay as a side character. which is basically boon giver
but, just but
I do hope for some advanced storyline that will involve her since she actually has some interesting lines that involves ||persephone, shes her mom duh|| , which I guess it might change in the future
sharp moss
Has anyone mentioned new steam logo with night update? would be nice to get it
novel wasp
what about it
sharp moss
like the current one is the long winter one
and since the new update has come it is obsolete?
novel wasp
uh
the icon has been the same for me
what is the difference i am curious
sorry i only started playing since february so idk how it looked like before
sharp moss
guess we're talking about different things?
novel wasp
steam icon as you mean the in game playing indicator in steam friend list?
sharp moss
i mean in the library page of Hades . There is a background with Zagreus holding Guan Yu spear and Demeter
sharp moss
Seems like I didn't get it or smthing , will check it now
novel wasp
sharp moss
yea , I still got old one
vale drift
Hey dts, we did have an issue with this on launch day this past week though I think if you close and restart Steam hopefully it will be fixed. I know I sometimes go days without restarting Steam so maybe that's it for you!
novel wasp
I know I sometimes go days without restarting Steam
Greg here spoken like a true gamer
Lol
cursive steppe
Are there any more updates coming for The Nighty Night? I usually wait until those little fixes post-big-patch are done
trail helm
Is it possible for chaos gates to not spawn at all in the first two areas? Just improbable?
I think this is the first run with cosmic egg where I haven't seen a gate
novel wasp
chaos does not guarantee to spawn
the description says that
it just says it will not give you penalty for entering it
trail helm
Also any tips to not take damage with fists? I can do insane damage but it's hard to avoid getting hit now and then
trail helm
Yeah I know the chance increases as you don't get one. I just thought it seemed really improbable to not see one at all in the first two areas
novel wasp
also it removes the delay of your fist
which is good
the chance does not increased at all btw
Enter Chaos Gates without losing Health. Blessings from Chaos have +20/30/40% chance to be Rare or better.
tidal hedge
Fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee
trail helm
Should I be dashing constantly to trigger the new reckless ability or should I be more deliberate? I just got my first hades clear to give you and idea of where I'm at
Yeah I realize the egg doesn't increase chance. I just notice the lack of gates more when I'm starting with egg
I get into a rhythm and dash almost non-stop with fists
sharp moss
get accustomed to timings and attack patterns. Maybe for starters you can use double dash instead but that's your call
novel wasp
Yeah
also you do notice the part where your fist barrage has like a little delay even if you clicked a lot?
trail helm
Yep
tidal hedge
Personally I don't dash too often, because that can also be endangering
novel wasp
use that opportunity to start another punch with dash strike, then it will remove it
also, there is one hammer that is great if you dont wanna dash all the time
heady heron
where do i report a bug?
trail helm
I feel like the new dash encourages constant dashing. I could be wrong though
novel wasp
the elbow one
which it will replace the barrage, and add an elbow strike into it
making you able to punch constantly
trail helm
I had the one that adds a dash strike to the rotation a few runs ago and it was insane
trail helm
Is that the one you mean?
heady heron
even though i literally have the thing done
sharp moss
press F10
novel wasp
Sorry brain is sleepy, what i mean is it iwll replace the delay between the barrage
idk, since the wiki hasnt update it i couldnt name it
but i know that one is pretty good
i think its called roiling knuckles
if i remembered it right
trail helm
I feel like the only reason I managed to escape was deflect and the athena shield. Should I always shoot for a legendary and duo boon each run?
novel wasp
low heats you could work with any build
you only really need a specific build if you are high heat
novel wasp
also @trail helm yeah checked my previous screenshot thats the one im talking about
trail helm
Ah. I just started heat climbing. With the way bounties work they massively improved my motivation to slowly heat climb
novel wasp
its probably broken consider it made the weapon has no cooldowb but for now keep abusing it hue
but some of the duo boon are really just free run
trail helm
Yeah I was melting everything with it, but the final boss still wrecked me
novel wasp
like the infamous H U N T I N G B L A D E S
forest grotto
does anybody know of a way to make excalibur worth using besides hoping for hermes attack speed boon?
novel wasp
dash a lot
dash does not interrupt your combo
so you will get the final slap with it
also, use your special
trail helm
I thought the crit/deflect duo seemed pretty insane when almost all my attacks were deflecting
novel wasp
its literally the best part of the weapon
Crit deflect duo is good, but only if my attack is athena boon
trail helm
Can you only deflect projectiles for damage?
forest grotto
it's still far too slow no matter what i try i do the special and dash
novel wasp
funfact you could move while special
trail helm
Yeah it was. I went from struggling to stay alive on the final boss to wrecking him without even using stubborn defiance
sleek shadow
Hey guys, I'm new to hades, just got my butt handed by hades twice in a row, what's your guy's favourite weapon? Been fisting a lot rn
novel wasp
even if its slow, a little moving around could move your from danger
trail helm
Shield seems easiest to get a first clear
novel wasp
@sleek shadow the fork
sleek shadow
Fork and shield it is!
novel wasp
and hera bow
forest grotto
@sleek shadow the bow has the most kills for me hera mode
novel wasp
Hera bow makes hades look like an elite enemy 🙃
trail helm
Which shield and fist aspect do people like?
novel wasp
Fist go to demeter
if you just want simple raw damage
but talos is a really good one
sleek shadow
Btw, how many Titan bloods can I get before I start heat? I wanted to get the 3th fist aspect but I spend all my bloods
novel wasp
if you have cast build
trail helm
Zagreus on fist seemed pretty insane
forest grotto
with hermes instant bloodstone recall and it becomes super op
trail helm
I can't decide what I like for shield
novel wasp
@trail helm not really, the attack speed is negligible for it
also shield aspect chaos is meta rn
because its aspect of c h e e s e
trail helm
Ah really? I like the dodge because I can't seem to avoid damage once I hit the second area with fists
forest grotto
i love it when i took the chaos shield to chaos
novel wasp
Dodge is so rng i might as well learn how to dodge myself
trail helm
Which shield aspect?
trail helm
Ah. I've only tried the third one and got my only clear with the first
novel wasp
also @sleek shadow you get 2 titanblood for each heat on each weapon, if you are saving up the obol and rngesus is on your side, you can get 3. And I would call no heat as Heat 0
cinder stump
what is the best weapon?
novel wasp
None. Each weapon has their best feat
trail helm
The special seems a bit slow to use on the third shield aspect
forest grotto
it is
cinder stump
If u dont know its ok
trail helm
I felt like I had to micromanage more than normal
forest grotto
there really is no best weapon
novel wasp
but if you wanna ask which aspect is good for me for each weapon here are the list
Sword: Nemesis, Bow: Chiron or Hera, debatable, but Hera ftw, Shield: Chaos, Fists: Demeter, Spear: Zag, Rail: Personally dont use this a lot but I use Zag for more ammo baby
forest grotto
my first complete run was with the spear but the most complete runs i've done i've used the bow
trail helm
Is there a consensus on the least punishing heat options to start heat climbing?
novel wasp
Start with convinence fee
merry harbor
It's a lot more micromanaging for the Zeus aspect, Deliverance. It's part of the playstyle in return for it being super versatile. it's GREAT and my favourite but super different from the other aspects.
cinder stump
I like the more enemies and fancier bosses options
tidal hedge
I suggest the +400% trap damage
trail helm
What type of runs do people do with the bow? I can't seem to make it work as well as the other weapons
forest grotto
really i like the more enemies one @novel wasp
novel wasp
that too^
cinder stump
For bow take chiron, fish for demeter special
novel wasp
@forest grotto I personally run the timer mode because i hate myself and the more enemies one hasnt been helping me lol
trail helm
I started with more enemies and was probably doing trap next. Though some of those 4th area traps are nasty
cinder stump
Take the 10 stack explosion perk, hope for more arrow special on hammer
forest grotto
@novel wasp i hate timers to hades with them
cinder stump
Chaos boons hope for more special damage
novel wasp
@forest grotto its easy really
cinder stump
Then just tag enemies and spam special
forest grotto
chaos boons absolutely suck with excaulibur
novel wasp
Nuke to win
trail helm
Special is my favorite part of the bow. The other attacks don't feel as smooth. I can't seem to stay in a dash attack rhythm
cinder stump
Use the chiron build i just describedp
trail helm
I'll definitely try Chiron
forest grotto
@trail helm it just takes a little practice get used to the butterfly keepsake and that's amazing practice
novel wasp
Do be note that Chiron will decrease your arrow counts, from 9 to 3 in first level
so i recommend if you wanna use it, try to upgrade it to level 2 or 3 so it is much more usable
cinder stump
Yeah you wanna level chiron up
novel wasp
dont use level 1 lol
trail helm
Is there something off with bow dash attack timing? I switched dash to R2 to make it closer to Dead Cells if that matters
cinder stump
You want at least 5 or 6 arrows per special
cinder stump
If you have 6 base you can proc demeter explosion each special
Demeter explosion is key
flat vapor
you need to level chiron up to be useful, but all of hera's power is unlocked from the beginning
novel wasp
^
cinder stump
I don’t get hera
flat vapor
but chiron can be very strong if used right
trail helm
Thanks. I'll try both of those builds
forest grotto
@cinder stump your bloodstones are the extra damage arrows
flat vapor
at least, before they took away charged special chiron
novel wasp
Lol rip
cinder stump
Yeah but what casts do I want
flat vapor
any besides demeter
cinder stump
How does it work with weird ones like blades or crystals
forest grotto
@cinder stump artemis is my favorite
flat vapor
ares i'd recommend a hunting blades build
trail helm
Oh one other thing. Why do some casts embed a bloodstone in an enemy and others don't?
novel wasp
Demeter cast is not for hera thats for sure
flat vapor
dio is undeniably the strongest on hera, but others can be fun
forest grotto
ares doesn't
cinder stump
Dio? Who’s dio?
trail helm
I don't know how to tell and I hate losing that bonus damage on harder enemies
novel wasp
@flat vapor I beg to differ with muh old Aphro
forest grotto
probably because they're in use on the playing field
cinder stump
Dionysus?
flat vapor
'specially if you get ice wine and/or scintillating
novel wasp
also if you want extremely forgiving hitbox Athena one is pretty good
trail helm
Dio's cast also doesn't embed a bloodstone does it? Are those the only two?
forest grotto
dio is pretty amazing with bow because explosion damage and other boons if acquired
novel wasp
Zeus god forbid never use it
forest grotto
dio no
forest grotto
zeus does suck with bow
flat vapor
ares, demeter, and dio casts don't embed, because they do something else besides strike at a foe
novel wasp
In exchange of big damage
trail helm
Good to know
flat vapor
but they tend to be big damage, especially if you build on them
cinder stump
Zeus and Artemis duo useless with regen bloodstones perk
forest grotto
artemis's crit chance is very good if you ask me
trail helm
And what's up with the boon that's supposed to heal if you dash quickly after. It doesn't seem to work much
flat vapor
hunting blades, crystal clarity, ice wine/scintillating feast
novel wasp
^ those are the best cast build
forest grotto
yeah idk about that hermes one it's ok
cinder stump
Also supergiant had better make the secret aspect of bow Aspect of Arjuna
novel wasp
or if you wanna be simple efficient Aphrodite cast is very much holding on its own
forest grotto
arjuna????
novel wasp
im just sad they keep nerfing it like why
trail helm
Can you do cast builds with the new regen stone perk?
novel wasp
Love Shotgun done nothing wrong
forest grotto
oh yeah aphro plus hera bow combo is very good
cinder stump
archer prince of india; has cool story
trail helm
I remember back when ares cast builds were insane
novel wasp
Hera does not need regen stone perk funfact
since it comes with faster drop if stones are embed
cinder stump
forest grotto
was he the guy that's the dad of the elephant head guy?
cinder stump
Sort of? Incarnation of, I think?
novel wasp
ganesha, you mean
forest grotto
yes @novel wasp
i suck at names
one more question does anyone know what i'm supposed to do for the orpheus and eurydice
i have the room access and all their hearts
cinder stump
They changed it
forest grotto
to?
novel wasp
@cinder stump actually i think rama would be a good fit
cinder stump
Longer quest
cinder stump
Have to actually find the papers in the admin room somehow
forest grotto
yeah how do i begin doing that?
trail helm
This game is too good. I have Assassins Creed Odyssey to finish, but heat climbing and trying all the builds is too compelling
novel wasp
@trail helm heat climbing is better than climbing those ubisoft towers™️
forest grotto
@novel wasp japan has a lot of bow users the original samurai were horseback riding archers
novel wasp
@forest grotto yes but i mean the culture of it
forest grotto
@cinder stump no begin looking through that stupid mountain of papers
novel wasp
it is underrepresented
cinder stump
For a samurai the sword was a backup weapon in case you ****ed up at being good at horses and arrows
trail helm
Odyssey is actually a great game. I hadn't played AC since 2
cinder stump
@forest grotto i am stuck there too i am wrong person to ask
novel wasp
usually swords are really the meta, but indians? So many warriors and deities chose bows
trail helm
Rock paper shotgun had it in their list of top 25 pc action games with Hades and Dead Cells
forest grotto
does anyone know how to start looking through that mountain of papers
cinder stump
Swords are a very good balanced weapon. Lots of uses( good at most combats, easy to maintain with right infrastructre
novel wasp
it is
cinder stump
Spears are also very good and common
novel wasp
but the thing is that
all swords are different
and definitely does not overlap between cultures
cinder stump
Yes but general idea is same for most of them
novel wasp
its just the commonality of it overlaps
novel wasp
its a generalist
cinder stump
Yeah
novel wasp
but that describes the medival weapons better than the oriental weapons
since the medival or european swords, except rapier
greatswords arent used for slicing, they are bashy bois, the weight alone could already cut off anything
while in chinese, or japan culture focused more on slicing, piercing etc
cinder stump
Rapir was for fancy city boys, mostly duels or orbamental
novel wasp
not necessarily
rapier despite common misconception, it can just be as heavy as a greatsword
it is NOT lighter
cinder stump
Primarily poking weapon used for urban combat
novel wasp
so its not like greatsword is for brutes or whatever
trail helm
So I'm not sure if anyone answered this directly. With the new dash talent is it best to be deliberate or just spam dash because it almost always procs the new ability?
novel wasp
rapiers are being used as well in battlefield
trail helm
I try to be aware of where I'm dashing
cinder stump
Anyway yes I hope indian hero gets bow aspect
D3liverance depends on how many dashes you have
If hermes likes you then can spam it
But just the one? Bes careful
novel wasp
also get the second wind
trail helm
Second wind?
cinder stump
Second wind is mostly if you dash too late and gets hit
sharp moss
does exagryph exist in mythology? I can't find any mention of it
cinder stump
Its my original character and weaponsona dts
trail helm
Should I be trying to get a call and cast almost every run?
brazen isle
I don’t believe it does but I’m not sure
trail helm
It seems like a waste to not have a call
brazen isle
Eeeeeeeeeh it depends. If you have a good enough kit without them, I’d say they’re not needed.
cinder stump
ok but what is the best weapon?
novel wasp
its called Press F to skip phase call for a reason
sharp moss
if by best you mean the easiest and simplest then that's the shield
novel wasp
When you asked that question and you can ramble about how can you build bow i think you already have your answer
brazen isle
Best weapon is debatable due to differing play styles, but I’ve been having a lot of fun with the new gauntlets. Either that or the spear (especially with aspect of Achilles)
novel wasp
i like every weapon there isnt a best of it but there is a best aspect that i like, the end
cinder stump
I want to get the rolling and concentrated knuckles build but they never show up in the same run
novel wasp
some hammers will not be combined together
for example you cant combine hazard and triple together using rail
cinder stump
I've heard other people get rolling and concentrated together
I'm just unlucky
Also I'm mad the new reroll perk can't reroll hammer bons
let me reroll hammers ty
trail helm
Oh can you explain what the new flipside of the increase epic boon chance is supposed to do? Increase chance of those three rewards instead of boons?
For the bottom two talents the new ones don't seem that tempting over the old
cinder stump
10% chance to upgrade a darkness/gems/key/nectar bubble to a pom/heart/gold/god bubble
trail helm
Oh. That's pretty solid if you aren't collecting resources anymore
But epic boons seem crazy good
flat vapor
that talent + the rare rarities is good for if your builds tend to be many boons
the inverse would be good for builds that are few boons, since each would be more likely to be epic/legendary/duo
trail helm
Am I mixing up which ones are the tradeoffs? I just unlocked them last run
flat vapor
i don't remember the exact names of the talents but i know which one you're talking about
the green talent that increases your chance of gold laurels, i find is better with the purple talent beforehand that increases rare rarity
cinder stump
I use the flipsidea because I love ares boons
glad veldt
Hey, sorry if this was already asked but i wondered if Hades does make its way to Mac? Played it on my desktop and love it but would like to play it on the go.
stuck comet
I love the fist weapons, good lord. So fast and deadly, I killed ||Hades|| much more easily than I did with the Excalibur
void vigil
Will Hades ever come to other platforms?
We expect to bring Hades to a variety of other platforms once Early Access is complete. We haven't decided on all the platforms yet.
im assuming this might apply to mac as well, as all their previous games are on mac
from #hades-faq
opal cargo
I don't really know what tab to put this in, but are Dusa's ambrosia amount supposed to increment?
opal cargo
Okay, I didn't know if it was intentional because none of the other ones do it, like Meg or Than. At least I'm pretty sure they don't.
inner saffron
"Nephew, let's deliver some liquid justice"
Poseidon, I....
iron fog
mgs has ruined me bc my brain immediately conjured snake yelling "LIQUUUUUUUUID"
stuck comet
?
trail helm
Another run lost to the final boss with insane damage fists. I can't seem to avoid taking damage
stuck comet
Oh. Yeah, I won against the final boss w/fists; I had to get 400 health, plus damage resistance
iron fog
maybe try zag aspect fists max'd since that gives you dodge
stuck comet
Plus I needed some insane damage buffs with the aspect, daedalus hammer, weak... a couple others too IIRC
iron fog
weirdly i find fists ez to dodge with, esp with ruthless, bc that 50% dodge chance, coupled with zag aspect dodge (and if you're lucky with hermes, dodge from him) means you can play recklessly
stuck comet
Oh yeah, and the one where you get 40% extra damage without a cast loaded
I prefer damage runs, so I can just rush bosses. I only tank with Excal
Cause you can get like, 80% damage res with it
trail helm
I think I just need to practice the final boss more. I get hit by his huge damage hits too much and the deflect timings are weird
trail helm
Only beat him once so far
I can see the spins coming, but I can't always get away with a single dash
iron fog
with his spins, its easier to dodge into him that try to escape the spin if you dont think you'll make it
stuck comet
I've killed him 3 times with Coronacht, twice with the fists, and three times with Excal
trail helm
I'm also using stubborn defiance because I like the silly things you can do with it and it's a nice safety to have
iron fog
its what i do with ruthless/fists, you dodge into him usually it doesn't hit you, as there's a very small safe spot in hugging distance
trail helm
Oh really. That's definitely not intuitive with the safe spot
I was trying to deflect the spins
stuck comet
With fists? Not a bad idea, but dodging is a bit easier
iron fog
there's also learning the iframe timings of the dodge, esp if you're using ruthless
trail helm
Do you spam dodge to get ruthless or play safe on him?
stuck comet
Atm, I spam dodge and dodge away. Apparently going in is easier though?
trail helm
Spam dodge most of the fight?
stuck comet
I mean, spam dodge whenever you have to fight the minions. The daedalus upgrade for the dash strike will shred the armor on them
But the best thing to do is to memorize the tells
stuck comet
Which aspect?
stuck comet
Which one does that do again?
trail helm
Attack speed and dodge
iron fog
attack speed up/dodge
trail helm
Talos doesn't seem to interact correctly with some special boost boons
Haven't tried demeter yet because it sounded weird
stuck comet
Gotcha. I use the one that makes the uppercut mark the enemies so you can deal more damage. Allows for easier crowd control up to the final boss
iron fog
demeter is good if you want to churn out big damage
trail helm
So demeter?
trail helm
I usually don't have a problem with fists until the final boss. But I'm on Heat 1
stuck comet
Lol, same
trail helm
They seem way overtuned initially
stuck comet
Once I get better at the tells, I'll manage to murder everything. I can kill Theusus without losing a single life, but man it's hard to not lose one in the temple
trail helm
But it's also the only aspect I maxed, so that could be it
stuck comet
Could be.
trail helm
Poison is horrid
stuck comet
I almost have Excal maxed out, so I might use that for most of my higher heat runs
Yes, Poison is suck
trail helm
I'm still trying to learn what attacks put it on me
stuck comet
The spitty guys, and the poison puddles
trail helm
Do you get titan blood for each weapon at heat 1? Or just the first one you clear with
stuck comet
I think it's each weapon, bounties get refreshed for each of them.
rare flume
It's the same rewards for every level
trail helm
The rats don't have an attack that poisons? Just the puddles they put out?
stuck comet
I don't think so? Last I checked
rare flume
Heat just lets you acquire the rewards again
trail helm
So I can get blood for each weapon at heat 1?
stuck comet
Yeah
trail helm
Nice
stuck comet
Very good to get stuff for maxing your aspects out
trail helm
Heat grinding is awesome. They did well with this rework
I hadn't played since they changed it and added a fourth area
rare flume
I kind of wish that it was possible to go higher than the heat level you're supposed to be at, and get all the rewards combined
For skipping ahead
trail helm
There's no way to reset blood is there?
I feel like I have to be careful to not get an aspect I don't like
rare flume
There's no way to undo spending of blood other than quitting before leaving the room
But you can always acquire more blood
trail helm
Yeah it seems easier to get than I expected when I was being cautious
rare flume
You can also get good deals on blood at the broker
rare flume
Diamonds do have uses and so does Ambrosia, which is different than nectar
rare flume
Diamonds can be used for some expensive things at the contractor
trail helm
Ah. Aesthetic only?
rare flume
Story things as well
trail helm
Is it alright to use them all to buy blood?
I'm sure I'll max out at some point and be able to get more diamonds at higher heat
rare flume
Sure, if you don't care about missing out on some trinkets and story elements
trail helm
Hmm. Good trinkets? I already feel like there are only a handful that get regularly used?
At least it seems like people only mention using a few of them
rare flume
There's at least 1 prophecy that requires all of them
It's easier to get blood than diamonds in runs, and you get more blood than diamonds as well. So I tend to hang onto diamonds for things other than blood
trail helm
Good to know. What about ambrosia?
rare flume
Required for story stuff, which also gets you some pretty powerful items
trail helm
Is the wiki updated with these things?
kindred onyx
@rare flume how can you use ambrosia? I have like 6
worthy egret
Thanatos encounter in Tartarus: HEY LOOK HOW GOOD I AMMMM HI FRIENDD
Thanatos encounter anywhere else: PLEASE HELP ME OH GOD THAN?? THAN GET O V E R H E E R E
kindred onyx
It didn't come up yet :(
rare flume
It takes a while
kindred onyx
Thanatos is a tsundere
rare flume
Thanatos isn't the only recipient :)
worthy egret
Im right at the final boss fight and ambrosia hasnt come up yet and ive died 50 times
trail helm
Woah. How do I get these diamond requiring upgrades to show up? Do I have to buy all the basic upgrades first?
worthy egret
Im taking things very slow and i also had to learn the whole game frim scratch
Because its my first game of this sort
And im generally v clumsy with controls
trail helm
I assume you have to use a bunch on nectar on the right people first before they need ambrosia?
kindred onyx
Hm
worthy egret
And i also am very scared of what the ending is gonna be before i finish all the subplots
kindred onyx
That's what I thought too
worthy egret
And i also uh. Try to use all weapons
If i went with just my main i think i wouldve already won
... I should probs do that
rare flume
Well, don't worry about winning. Winning is as temporary as losing in this genre
trail helm
The current ending isn't spoilery at all, so you don't have to worry
It's quite amusing
rare flume
I've done more than 75 runs, and haven't used up all the Ambrosia uses yet
worthy egret
Funilly enough i thought i cant do Stygius at all and then i picked it up and got farther than with my main (Exagryph)
trail helm
@rare flume When do diamond upgrades show up? The wiki is vague
worthy egret
They start as soon as you can earn diamonds, no?
rare flume
More stuff appears as you buy things
trail helm
Not for me. I have only 3 upgrades I can get costing 40, 40, and 80 gems
rare flume
I recommend buying a lot of lounge upgrades, even if they're cosmetic
hollow heron
Imo pick up gameplay boosts first
trail helm
I guess I need to focus on gems more. Will the diamond ones show up if I keep buying the work orders?
hollow heron
Yes
trail helm
That's a weird decision
worthy egret
So i shouldnt be scared of the ending?