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#h1-discussion
candid pine
Just put || before and after the spoiler and we're gucci
stuck comet
Is there gonna be a final boss past ||Hades|| at some point?
tight obsidian
i think theres some implication that maybe zag goes to olympus but nothing confirmed afaik
stuck comet
Oh, of course he goes to olympus in the full game. What I'm wondering is how much for that part is planned
tight obsidian
ah
idk why but i thought i read somewhere that maybe the underworld would get more layers between elysium and styx tho now im not sure
mortal ivy
But why would he go to Olympus when ||he's looking for Persephone and she's not there?|| Or does he not know? I've forgotten
tight obsidian
he doesn't know where she is specifically
ornate gulch
I can't seem to finish the ||orpheus and eurydice|| prophecy, is it not complete yet ? Or is there some special condition to meet?
stuck comet
Well, all the gods want him to reach Olympus first, and I imagine they'll help him once he reaches the top of the mountain.
tight obsidian
well they don't know why he's looking to get out
thats why he has the convo with chaos
stuck comet
Yeah they do
mortal ivy
The gods don't know what he's really after though
stuck comet
Hm. I know Athena told the gods that Hades was abusing Zag, and Zag was running off so HELP HIM
Which seems enough for them to know why he's leaving
tight obsidian
yeah but they're under the impression that zag wants to get out for them whereas he wants to get out to look for ||his true mother||
mortal ivy
That's a spoiler
tight obsidian
and chaos brings this point up of how they might not take too kindly to being deceived
stuck comet
Hmmmmm
tight obsidian
oops, ty
stuck comet
And of course Chaos knows everything
tight obsidian
chaos is supper funny ngl
stuck comet
He's chaotic chaos
tight obsidian
this omniscient omnipotent incarnation of something is just chilling in a plane of nothingness bored and forgotten
and then zag shows up and they're like "meh might as well have some fun"
opaque nexus
He should pick up fishing
tight obsidian
catch those projellies
tight obsidian
speaking of fishing, why wont the rod of fishing show up ;_;
opaque nexus
The reaction time needed for fishing is so hard
tight obsidian
its actually super easy
opaque nexus
Thank the gods* if you give up and try again the fish are the same
tight obsidian
just zone out and stare above the fishing point and wait for the gigantic white burst
perfect catches every time
stuck comet
And where do I turn it in?
opaque nexus
The chef guy at the lounge
stuck comet
Oh.
opaque nexus
There should be an ! above him
tight obsidian
i kinda want the head chef to be replaced by tantalus ngl
i think that would be very funny
stark edge
Ok, so.. looks like the deity keepsakes have an additional effect of "If you pick this as your starting keepsake, you'll never find another boon of that deitys type the whole run"
serene spoke
That's soo infuriating
chrome heron
unless you dont like their boons
serene spoke
I'm tryna get some prophecies here
ionic plinth
hey guys, how can i unlcok hearts in the codex that have the "key" image?
stark edge
I'm guessing it's like, you get a set of gods in your current pool of boons and you are in theory more likely to get copies of them, but the keepsake doesn't add that deity to your boon pool... I have 0 evidence but it would go some way to explaining it
Still, punched an enemy so hard the game crashed so turning in for the night. It's been great playing this though, even if I've only gone so far as 2-3 heat from swapping weapons constantly
stark edge
If you get lucky enough to have a bank of health stored up I loved the guan, it carried me super hard
warm elbow
@ionic plinth You have to trigger the special event for that character, its requirements vary from one to another
stray jay
Guan Yu is really, really good. I was able to get my first run using no Death Defiances thanks to it.
stuck comet
Hm. I only had like 70 health at Theusus, the 1 ticks of health didn't do anything
stray jay
It's certainly hard to use, and maybe requires some good Hammers sometimes
stuck comet
That's probably it, tbh. Not used to the style
stray jay
but when used correctly, it's absolutely one of the best weapons in the game
stark edge
Yeah Theseus is probably the hardest boss to Guan
warm elbow
Block sucks
stuck comet
Time to do the polar opposite and go excalibur with 200 starting health
stark edge
Honestly you may even be better off with just throwing the spear at them over and over
warm elbow
unless im using the shield, in which case blocks rules
ionic plinth
@warm elbow ty, i was thinking it was just giving them ambrosia
stuck comet
Oh yeah, I'll do that next time I wanna use it
warm elbow
@ionic plinth After that event the game let you give them ambrosia
stark edge
Do you need the level of ambrosia that Asterius and that give you?
I've only got like 12 and it kind of seems like there might only be 5 times you can give it to people
ionic plinth
even with gods there is a certain event ? till now i was able only to activate the meg one
stark edge
I guess that might be spoilerish, so.. idk. Never mind, I'll keep them and see how it goes
serene spoke
At least it doesn't look like the nectar
warm elbow
You can also use ambrosia to lvl up certain trinkets
stuck comet
Wait so how do you use the ambrosia
serene spoke
U use it later for bonds
stuck comet
I want achilles as a bro
tight obsidian
ambrosia is used for the following: 1) unlocking companions, 2) upgrading certain trinkets, 3) triggering certain events
problem is by the time any of those become relevant you will have forgotten about it
so the best use is 4) trading it in for titan blood lol
stuck comet
How do you unlock companions though, I'm saving one for my boy
ionic plinth
for example, i have arthemis with the heart locked, i dont know how to unlock ambrosia for her
tight obsidian
you need to give certain people enough nectar and then have a certain interaction
then you can give them ambrosia
the wiki refers to this as "favors" but i dont think thats a good term for this
warm elbow
I havent triggered Artemis event yet so i dont know
tight obsidian
like only two of them are favors tbh
serene spoke
Just the house dweller's can recieve ambrosia
stuck comet
Yeah, which is why the man with the spear is getting my ambrosia
warm elbow
Maybe Olympians have other ways to trigger the friend event
ionic plinth
meg, thanatos and dusa, then ?
warm elbow
those 3 should take time and randomness to trigger
tight obsidian
iirc sisyphus meg than dusa and someone else before this patch
skelly
idk who else got added though
warm elbow
like once you see an exclamation above their head at the house it can lead to an event if their frienship is maxed at the moment
or just some random story dialog
agile saddle
@stuck comet u can't give Achilles ambrosia as he doesn't have a companion or quest
stuck comet
Let us use spear daddy for ADVENTURES
tight obsidian
honestly i wish companions as a whole got reworked to be a lot more "smooth"
ionic plinth
i think you have to intereact with other charactes then, for example, i give one nectar to chaos and i got another dialog with nyx about chaos and their story
tight obsidian
they just feel kinda... there
stuck comet
I'm not getting a companion until Achilles
warm elbow
You can romance everyone
warm elbow
Greek gods had multiple love interest
tight obsidian
you know what would be super funny
if sgg pulled a stardew valley and had something for if zag romances everyone possible there's a scene where they gang up on him
cunning yacht
i bet meg and than wont like it if u romance an olympian
since they arent olympian gods
cunning yacht
i dunno just saying
tight obsidian
ah
warm elbow
That reminds me of Persona 5
you can romance almost all the girls in the game, but valentines day will be your doom
warm elbow
She is a loner and i kind of like that
covert plover
Is there different promotional art pieces in which Zagreus wields the other weapons beside The Sword and The Spear of Gan Yu?
cunning yacht
i think so far its the only 2 aspects
i wonder what the aspect for the gun will be
vast junco
art featuring zag wielding the fists came out with the nighty night update @covert plover
cunning yacht
bow has too many good aspects
stray jay
Can't wait for the Aspect of Rambo
warm elbow
If the hidden shield aspect is not a surfing shield one im going to be very disappointed
serene spoke
Bow of robin hood!!!!!
tight obsidian
hm
cunning yacht
hmm
covert plover
Imma check the wiki.
serene spoke
Yeah
warm elbow
Paris aspect
cunning yacht
well its confirms that they weapon can make aspects appear from the future
tight obsidian
tho ig the weapon itself doesn't have to be super renowned
cunning yacht
since arthur wasnt on the same time
serene spoke
Thats why i went with robin
tight obsidian
ie guan yu
well yeah the final aspects are all gonna be from different times/cultures
cunning yacht
guan yu is from 3 kingdoms and if i recall they are BC
serene spoke
Yup
tight obsidian
three kingdoms?
serene spoke
China
tight obsidian
as in... china the middle kingdom?
cunning yacht
i cant rly explain this
u gotta google china history
but
maybe this can help
gie me a sec
tight obsidian
covert plover
China kept breaking up and then coming together and the breaking up
covert plover
assuming "history of the world i guess" is accurate enough
cunning yacht
check this out will give u some fast knowledge
tight obsidian
ahhhh i dont remember china history that well
cunning yacht
its quite compressed
tight obsidian
ah ty
cunning yacht
guan yu was a powerfull general of Shu
and he was using a glaive like weapon like the aspect
tight obsidian
i wonder what other cultures sgg will pull from...
proven briar
for athena's reduced dmg from traps
tight obsidian
polynesian maui hook for varatha mayhaps?
proven briar
does the boiling blood circle waves count
or are they not considered traps
sorry would this go in gameplay instead
ill brb
covert plover
I think they're considered traps.
cunning yacht
maybe mayans too and such
vast junco
@tight obsidian varatha already has guan yu though
covert plover
Honestly, if there was a sickle or scythe in the game, I could imagine the fourth aspect being the Aspect of Osiris just because. But that's me. :3
vast junco
a polynesian inspired weapon would be cool
tight obsidian
^
tight obsidian
oh true
cunning yacht
and exists
gilded cape
sorry for interrupting, but you just press f10 to report a bug right? nothing is happening for me when i press it.
cunning yacht
so maybe they will draw from historical figures too
vast junco
yeah, f10 is supposed to bring up the bug reporter
covert plover
oh no, the Bug Machine is broke
warm elbow
Dude i love oversimplified
cunning yacht
yea he is fun dude i like his videos
hexed smelt
@gilded cape Try hitting alt + tab? I know there's been issues in the past where the window doesn't come up on top of the game and it looks like nothing's happening.
gilded cape
@hexed smelt thanks for the advice! i'll keep it in mind when i run into another bug
hexed smelt
👍
pliant dagger
i just died during a thanatos encounter lmfao and his portrait remained on the screen as i died...he then said "youre coming with me" sdfhsjfnsdjf and when zag respawned he said "than won't be happy about that"
you find new things every run\
cerulean iris
awww
rocky viper
Hey guys.. So I'm in dire need of knowing how to unlock aspect of guan yu rom achilles.. I have beat Hades with all weapons, maxed out my gifts with achilles, suicided like 20 itmes on first floor to proc more conversations, talked with the " ! " chamber dude on the third floor twice since achilles mentioned that guys name. I Have also spend 6 blood on aspects for weapons, I'm so stuck 
stark edge
I think it's something about the spear you can do? Idk what though
stark edge
What about the aspects?
cerulean iris
have you tried unlocking (not maxing) more aspects across all weapons?
rocky viper
@cerulean iris well i think ive only unlocked like 2 aspects that arent default ones
should i do that? unlock more
languid harness
Hey are there any employee of the month pics other than Meg and Than?
knotty epoch
should only be them
worthy egret
Wait so Than DOES react to you dying when he's there I love that
pliant dagger
👍 glad to hear that
knotty epoch
What does Meg even do other than die a lot
her best
worthy egret
Really? I dont have the aspect and i triggered the guan yu thing
pliant dagger
honestly crail im tempted to die durng every thanatos encounter just to see what other things he says hgdjfhdj
wispy lodge
Hey, does anyonw know the requirements for Huge Catch? I've been trying to get it for a while
pliant dagger
no clue unfortunately, i think we've all been trying though x)
stiff trellis
When I got it, it was poseidon being my first boon
narrow horizon
Beat the game at last :D
stiff trellis
I don't remember if I had his keepsake or not though
hollow heron
The shield aspect that makes it basically a bladerift is so much fun
vast dagger
i kinda hope theres another weapon
as i understand 7 was an auspicious number for the greeks
hollow heron
No weapon will be the next weapon added. It's just like dove in necrodancer 
barren rune
I have no idea why or how I unlocked guan yu i hadn’t even touched varatha in a month but out of the blue one day achilles was like hey bro, u wanna new spear
hollow heron
i unlocked aspects, bought a bunch of them, and then archilles was like "oh btw new aspect" and like i guess thanks??? i haven't even gotten to play with 70% of the ones i bought
stuck comet
I think it would be cool if Zag carried his weapons the whole run
hollow heron
i'm convinced the fists are just trying to kill my hands
stuck comet
Yeah, that'll be fine. The fingers move anyway
cold wraith
most weapons in the game hurt my hands tbh, i just don't do too many runs in a day to mitigate it
vast dagger
i think playing sword might have contributed to carpal tunnel tbh
would really like to see an option to help with it
hollow heron
clearing release sword probably contributed to why i got burnt out lmao
cold wraith
besides some kinda slow motion thing for the whole game i'm not sure what you could do for it tbh. getting a wrist brace helps a bit at least
hollow heron
yeah its unfortunate
west chasm
@cold wraith are you doing therapy for that?
cold wraith
naw
brisk trail
@wispy lodge it just comes, but most of the time poseidon will be your first boon when you get it.
wispy lodge
Only happened once. I've done 10 Poseidon runs since
serene spoke
i just love how bow runs are either "wtf is """special??"""" or "Pls god give me the right dedalus hammer upgrade"
cold wraith
my bow runs are usually “why did I pick this I could be using something else right now”
pliant dagger
I love getting all special Daedalus upgrades when I'm running Hera :')))
why can't I get this +4 when I'm running Chiron????
serene spoke
right now lil final boss is owned
i have merc and artemis legendarys on the bow
with max level cast from artemis
serene spoke
Look at it
mild needle
i spent 8h playing the game everyday for 3 days in a row and afterward my fingers spasm involuntarily
mild needle
thats why im here now
low key lurking discord while waiting for my fingers to stop hurting
novel wasp
thats the fight and flight reaction after you dash strike like 50 billion times with arthur sword
hollow heron
it's me playing because i spam dash constantly
graceful bolt
would really like to see an option to help with it
@vast dagger use a controller
graceful bolt
chances of getting carpel tunnel is super rare because of the hand positioning.
hollow heron
ye but it's also no fun
graceful bolt
its not about fun or not mate, im just giving him alternatives for his pain ahah
graceful bolt
nice
vast dagger
I suck with controllers but it’s worth a shot, thanks
civic prism
Top down games that aren't complex are ideal candidates for controllers. Same with platformers and side scrollers
civic prism
I play FPS games mostly and still switch to a controller for special cases
hollow heron
they aren't precise enough to rapidly switch directions
civic prism
Controllers are actually way more precise than keyboard in those games since you're not limited to 8 direction input
civic prism
Also it's pretty fast if you've got half decent thumbs
civic prism
No, I don't.
brisk trail
Sorry, misread.
hollow heron
it's not faster than keyboard though, and it can make some tech harder
it depends on game which one is optimal
civic prism
I'm saying controller is best for games like Hades, Super Meat Boy, maybe Celeste, Binding of Isaac
hollow heron
but generally keyboard just feels so much better to me
hollow heron
i KB(M) for basically everything
civic prism
Independent aiming is super easy Hades practically does it for you
brisk trail
I've got 150 clears with the Rail and since my favorite Aspect in the entire game is Eris, MKB is absolutely better for me.
civic prism
Ah, I guess. I use controller and mainly use bow and shield
brisk trail
I can even get the best of both worlds with Eris and turn on aim assist if I wanted but get mouse control for Bombard.
civic prism
I don't like the rail even when I started playing this game on mouse/KB
civic prism
Just spend half the time I could be getting dps reloading to mag dump into the next thing
I'd rather get dank Crits with bow
brisk trail
Hey, there's a reason I have an epitaph for Infinity Chamber in my tag right now.
civic prism
At least then the wait between shots feels a little more "worth it"
brisk trail
People swore by Flurry Fire and Spread Fire, but my Hammer is the one that got nerfed.
mild needle
uninterrupted hit +damage, pressure point, dionisus on attack and another curse on special or dash
civic prism
My first clear was a bow shotgun build lmdao
civic prism
Yea I might try it next, I maxed Hera and regretted it
brisk trail
I found Hera much more enjoyable when Stygian Soul happened and I started picking up extra Bloodstones.
civic prism
They patched Hera deleting my stones but it's still not as good as Poseidon sword and now you can just use Stygian soul anyway
brisk trail
I also never use anything but Trippy Shot, but that might be beside the point
civic prism
Trippy Shot is underrated
Probably the ideal candidate for Stygian Soul aside the Demeter crystal
civic prism
I like Artemis Cast too if I want to get use it out of boiling blood or something
brisk trail
Pulling enemies into the Blade Rift is just so satisfying.
broken sail
why does the skeleton man like getting hit
brisk trail
He's paid to do it.
orchid pagoda
I am so close to getting the skeleton columns.
176 gemstones to go.
Hey, uh, does anyone have them already? I don't want to spend this much in case they don't look as nice as I am imagining them to be.
brisk trail
They look very nice.
broken sail
boys, 30% faster fists
brisk trail
Yeah, they're pretty disgusting.
jade grove
ATATATATATATA?
civic prism
I hardly ever see anyone use trippy Shot for shutting other than scintillating feast
civic prism
But the stun can be pretty nice, and it does more damage than Artemis Cast in an AoE
jade grove
trippy shot, then drag to the spot before it lands
and get dio attack+black out
Can pair up... Demeter special for chill to slow them more, or Aphro special for damage.
Crush Shot also viable when you carry a GET OVER HERE device
brisk trail
Dear god, they've gone Full Kenshiro™️.
placid dagger
i wish you could abandon runs but keep the rewards, I wanna farm darkness so I can get more than 1 hammer per run
but I dislike dying on purpose
glad root
is uh, fated persuasion bugged? sometimes it doesn't change anything at all
glad root
I'm also not sure from the wording if it's only going to (potentially) change the rarities, or the actual boon choices themselves
lavish reef
is it possible to increase the likelihood of meeting eurydice?
narrow hemlock
i dont think any of the biome npcs have a way to up % of being encountered.
oh wait i read that wrong, its like 2 in the morning
but still i dont think they would alter chances much
lavish reef
alrighty
abstract drum
Hey folks, i had a question; is there any tricks i should know about the fate-changer gimmick? Is it really a straight reroll, or is there a way to "trick" it? Like do boon rooms always lead to boon rooms, is there a higher likelyhood of a daedalus hammers to come from a certain area, any stuff like that?
novel wasp
Artemis lowkey looks like Fae from Pyre
novel wasp
she does have the savage clothes
so what is the savage's official name
i choosed gae cause im brainded
gae the grey
brisk trail
No official name, only that her name ends in "ae".
novel wasp
ae lmao
hollow heron
it's mae iirc?
novel wasp
@abstract drum not necessary, sometimes you get to change into something else
for example I can change into a double pom in the styx room
novel wasp
the tunnels
the change can be drastic and it doesnt change into the same category
infact i rarely use the d20 unless im being faced against a obol room
because obol is probably the worst reward room you could get
novel wasp
the coins
novel wasp
it was way worse when midas touch wasnt a thing
but now i guess its debatable if you plan to save up to buy titan blood a the styx charon shop
novel wasp
i no dd-ed boss without buying any charon items
its more like a sidegrade than a real thing to invest
getting more boons is your priority if you wanna kick boss
abstract drum
The shops can be real money sometimes, though i tend not to use them unless i really need something; an extra kick to my set or some health.
novel wasp
some shop items should be removed
for example, hammer is extra expensive when you are guaranteed to get 2 in one run
its not like buying from it gets you 3 hammers or something
hollow heron
my hands are gonna kill me guess it's time to learn to play on a controller as well 😦
novel wasp
@abstract drum charon well is my only place to spend my gucci
but otherwise i would not waste one chamber to visit a charon shop
if anything if the styx charon shop comes with charon well would be awesome tbh
i mean, thats his main shop, right?
abstract drum
I dunno, getting those Daedelas hammers are pretty powerful. For me i tunnel vision Chaos rooms, Artemis boons and those pretty much as much as i can
novel wasp
Hammers are guaranteed to appear in later runs
more so in later stages
you are guaranteed to get 2
no matter how hard you avoid it
actually you can but you will gimp yourself
but yes, for example if you reached styx and you still havent have the second hammer, reroll in one tunnel gets a pretty high chance to get hammer as a reward
which is bad because satyr tunnels are now 5 instead of 6(why)
you are left with 4 rewards instead of 5
lean ferry
didnt even notice there was an update until now, rip
on the plus side, it looks like people were right in their guess that the final aspect for each weapon would come from something other than greek mythology
novel wasp
its more like the 4th aspects are all future holders
and in this universe all legendary weapons comes from greek weapons since they advertised it like it was a primordial weapon created since time began
abstract drum
It's pretty sick that They give the spear to ||Guan Yu|| and the sword to ||Arthur||
lean ferry
inb4 the rail's final aspect comes from al capone
abstract drum
Aspect of McClain
I'm curious about the other aspect's final forms; The Shield and Rail's specifically. I'm betting the bow will be "Aspect of Hood".
hollow heron
i'm trying to set up my controller but it doesn't want to be set up 😦 looks like epic might not have full switch pro controller compatibility
abstract drum
or "Robin."
lean ferry
eh, we've already got one aspect from british myth, i doubt we'll get two
uncut thorn
I reckon the gun will be some cowboy, since they're the most "mythological" gun users
Then again, all the weapons up until now have been named
lean ferry
good point
abstract drum
Fair point on those two things.
void vigil
it’s interesting to think who the other aspects could be of
lean ferry
gonna be interesting to see how the aspects change the weapon, if the guan yu one is anything to go by
novel wasp
Aspect of Kitchen Knife
void vigil
and yeah, especially the rail lol
abstract drum
Maybe the rail's aspect will be Aspect of Earp
lean ferry
why
void vigil
Please don’t joke about that
lean ferry
now we are getting into meme territory
abstract drum
Wait, did i accidentally make a bad joke? I was just going off of "legendary cowboys" and the only one i could think of was "Wyatt Earp"
uncut thorn
the joke was deleted
abstract drum
ahh, okay, apologies.
lean ferry
aspect of bob ross when
abstract drum
Ohhh, actually "Aspect of the Kid" kinda has a neat ring.
void vigil
no worries, I was talking to moon bean
also yeahh that would be cool even tho I don’t think they would do that 
uncut thorn
It would be hyper cool, but what weapon would it be?
void vigil
bc the rails special is so much like the galleon mortar
broken sail
maybe an aspect of the hood for the bow?
uncut thorn
You mean the Galleon Mortar
abstract drum
Ohhh lumsel, that's a thought; "Aspect of Blackbeard"
abstract drum
Oh right! Bastion! That'd be really neat too! I meant Billy the Kid, but that was a cooler direction.
void vigil
LMAO oops
uncut thorn
The tough part is that the aspects so far aren't just based on legendary heroes, they're based on the weapons themselves- Excalibur and the Frost Fair Blade, so far
There are many legendary gunmen, but how many legendary guns are there?
broken sail
for the rail: aspect of chief
broken sail
and its the assault rifle from halo
uncut thorn
Oh man, Aspect of Crockett works pretty dang well
Works very well with the whole "mythological" thing
jade grove
Crockett is actually- yes
runic jetty
Oooh that would be cool
jade grove
But I AM holding out for the outlier.
abstract drum
No yeah, that's a winner for sure
jade grove
Like I said. Tesla, futuristic aspect, Teleforce Ray
Because Tesla is also a modern myth, and so many legends abound about his supposed capacity for making weapons.
And, it would provide a vastly different way to think of the Rail
void vigil
hey, if it will finally give me the lasers, I’m for it
void vigil
the problem is that supergiant already made the coolest gun
How do you make it cooler
abstract drum
Attach more gun.
uncut thorn
aspect of conagher
runic jetty
I was thinking "Aspect of the West", and make it a .45 Colt like the one Eastwood used in The Good The Bad and the Ugly, but that wouldn't fit at all. haha
void vigil
They call me zagreus 6-guns....
uncut thorn
I can see them making it a sniper rifle with a slower fire rate
brisk trail
Isn't that Hestia?
runic jetty
That sounds like it could be very fun.
abstract drum
Adding more barrels to a shotgun makes it exponentially cooler.
runic jetty
To some degree it's Hestia
void vigil
All the special aspects have been kinda slow
runic jetty
But they typically pack quite the punch from what I've experienced.
uncut thorn
So far, anyway. I suspect they won't continue the slowness trend with the bow and shield
void vigil
it’s not a bad thing for sure, it’s just a different playstyle, and they’re super fun from the little I’ve tried
runic jetty
What do you guys think the hidden aspect could be for the Twin Fists
abstract drum
Aspect of Ali. Easy.
runic jetty
Haha that'd be perfect
runic jetty
Oooh that sounds cool too
jade grove
@void vigil It could be cooler, if it actually did have a beam laser as the attack (battery charging ammo?) and a tesla coil turret as special.
runic jetty
and thematically it could fit
uncut thorn
One of the few sets of mythological named gauntlets
Plus I wanna see Zeus get jealous
jade grove
Or Ball Lightning
runic jetty
haha true
brisk trail
Oh my god, jealous Zeus would be amazing.
void vigil
we dunking on zeus
brisk trail
Always.
abstract drum
No one dunks on Zeus better than Zeus.
acoustic lantern
Sooo.... Hidden Claws aspect, Blades of Chaos
Aspect of Kratos?
Zeus goes "They make me uneasy"
brisk trail
God of War isn't a bad series, but it's on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from Hades.
(You gotta) Keep them separated.
brisk trail
If it's funny.
acoustic lantern
despite me loving themboth
Okay, don't get me started, just get over it
I wonder if there wpuld be an Egyptian hidden aspect?
abstract drum
Legendary shields... It's just a hard concept; culture don't really remember the shields, they remember the swords, both metaphorically and actually.
brisk trail
"Iron curtain" is a thing in our lexicon right now.
uncut thorn
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mythological_objects#Shields there's a few
abstract drum
No fooling?
acoustic lantern
Yata no Kagami
a mirror
might be used a shield
Its plausible
Reflect things? Store inside and release with charge?
runic jetty
Ooh it'd be like Link's mirror shield in Wind Waker
abstract drum
oh boy, i'm calling it now "Aspect of Chulainn".
runic jetty
haha
acoustic lantern
Chulainn?
runic jetty
That could be cool
hollow heron
please don't bring back deflect shield 
abstract drum
Irish folklore-yeah that guy.
void vigil
oh yeah I saw that in there and was like, that’s a strong contender
but I wonder if they would put put other mythologies in there
acoustic lantern
why not?
void vigil
idk!
acoustic lantern
We have Chinese and Arthur is it's own mythology
its kinda European but it is its own thing
European folk lore? Which came from the legendar of Artorias
which was, Roman? My history is lacking, sorry
acoustic lantern
yes, but Arthur is based on another dude, no?
abstract drum
Irish myth is on a whole different tier than english myth. It gets weird and wild, very quick. Especially once you start looking into the fae and faeries.
broken sail
oh sorry, i read the room wrong
celtic is its own thing yes
like artio and cu chulainn
void vigil
yeah ik nothing about it. I just wonder if they would put other gods and demigods in it
lean ferry
guessing ill need to clear a run in the new patch before i can get the new weapon and sword aspect unlocked?
uncut thorn
Yea
acoustic lantern
What about the Rail?
void vigil
yep, there’s instructions on the new aspect pinned in #h1-story-discussion
broken sail
king arthur is based on a British warrior
acoustic lantern
M249? KEKW
uncut thorn
I reckon other gods and demigods is not unlikely. Guan Yu is essentially a minor deity
void vigil
I see I see
broken sail
i would like to see some Norse gods in the aspects
acoustic lantern
might be this guy too
Guan yu is famous, kinda
I'd reckon he is the most famous Chinese deity
acoustic lantern
To the outside world
acoustic lantern
True
lean ferry
cheers alma
also love how the first boon i get has zero use inside combat, thanks posioden
acoustic lantern
Haha
broken sail
maybe for the bow aspect an aspect of rama?
uncut thorn
I don't think wukong is actually a deity
I'm pretty sure he's just a famous character
broken sail
he's apart of fokelore
uncut thorn
Huh, fair enough
acoustic lantern
nah, he is a trickster god
but god is very broad in chinese
in mythologies in general
I am really curious
about the rail
jade grove
The only issue with Jarngreipr is that they don't do much of anything, btw
acoustic lantern
because it's very "futuristic"
jade grove
Except the ability to grip Mjolnir.
uncut thorn
They'll either do a famous cowboy type, or they'll transpose a magic staff or something onto it
broken sail
or maybe an aspect of ullr
acoustic lantern
Shield is curious too but I can see it being Yata no kagami
uncut thorn
True wrt: Jarngreipr but the aspects so far haven't been too sticky on mythological accuracy as I understan it
jade grove
@acoustic lantern Yata no Kagami was actually one of my earliest thoughts. Blocked attacks charge a beam of sunlight that scales up depending on the block count, has a huge hitbox, and can be aimed, on Special. Aspect of Amaterasu.
acoustic lantern
Yea
jade grove
Actually, tbh
Jarngreipr can still be used.
Grappler build
Guys.
Imagine Zag getting a grapple moveset
and being able to grab bosses
broken sail
maybe an aspect of xing tian for the shield? he didnt really use it that much but its an option
acoustic lantern
Yup, suplex Hydra
jade grove
The "sun beam" thing would also work equally well on Egyptian btw
Aspect of Horus or Ra
shield still
acoustic lantern
or Meg 👀
jade grove
imo, no two Chinese aspects preferable
acoustic lantern
No 2 of same mythology
uncut thorn
If they wanted to get creative they could do aspect of Ra as the GUN
acoustic lantern
preferable
acoustic lantern
ohhh
acoustic lantern
thats a yes
Imagine devs, sitting here in the convo, writing down ideas
causr they have no idea what to do with rail
hahaha
jade grove
my personal fav is still Aspect of Nikola Tesla
100%
because a tesla turret as the special
also because lasers.
uncut thorn
I honestly reckon they've been checkin the same Wikipedia articles we have
broken sail
stephen hawking black hole gun
acoustic lantern
I'd laugh at that
It will be the same type as Star Platinum obviously
Memes aside, I probs can think of a hidden aspect for every weapon but rail
its just too modern
it doesn't make sense
broken sail
an aspect of one particular john perhaps?
acoustic lantern
m249 with a grenade laucher attachment
jade grove
and the only ones I can think of are people like Old West gunfighters, pirates, Davy Crockett, and out-there picks like Tesla.
uncut thorn
tbf that's a pretty broad selection!
acoustic lantern
Pulse rifle from Doom, Aspect of Doom guy
broken sail
Bart Simpsons slingshot
broken sail
Mark Fosters pm5 perhaps...?
jade grove
LOL
lusty stump
Wait
acoustic lantern
waiting
jade grove
Most likely bow aspect: Arjuna or Rama
lusty stump
You just made be realize that Rainbow is basically a "bow" that looks up after it "rain"s.
acoustic lantern
jade grove
Buffalo Bill is also a named-gun user
jade grove
OOOOOH WAIT
Airgetlam fist
Aspect of Nuada
silver gauntlets
Irish mythology, thanks TV Tropes
It is technically a prosthetic hand.
But who says it can't be the claws here?
acoustic lantern
Aspect of Uther
silver hand
heh
naah, they'd get sued
blizzard ain't cool anymore
Btw, I remember long ago
hollow heron
Tbf they'd probably get sued always
acoustic lantern
Hades had a dyonisis blade or smth
as a weapon
I never saw it, it was removed
what did it look like?
jade grove
Actually, using the Tuatha de Danaan would allow the fists to become both a martial weapon and a magic weapon
ooooo
the Teleforce gun was actually... effectively a railgun
slash particle beam.
Amusingly, the actual description of Teleforce is oddly similar to the concept that drives Mass Effect's weapons in lore.
acoustic lantern
AGHHHHH, Supergiant fellas, let me buy some merch and you can quietly DM me the hidden aspects
jade grove
Accelerating tiny particle shavings to ludicrous speed
jade grove
Not a fan of mine?
primal whale
Go zeus keepsake and get attack
then focus on building special damage and get rocket bomb
oh wait
lol
nvm
acoustic lantern
Bruh
lean ferry
oh my god there's a shade with a lil zag banner in the theseus boss room
acoustic lantern
AHAHAHA
primal whale
Im pretty sure they are gonna make up their own lore for the gun
lean ferry
thats adorable
primal whale
@lean ferry supportive shade ❤️
lean ferry
best shade
primal whale
I left a feedback about them
acoustic lantern
Don't @ me
I mean, I ain't forcing you
So, Dusa had a body but it's a sensitive topic for her
that's interesting
lean ferry
oh my that little rat was something
acoustic lantern
little rat?
jade grove
That achievement should be named "Nasty, Big, Pointy Teeth"
jade grove
LOL
ACTUALLY
I actually asked them for a line about ROUSes when the big one shows up
But that'd also work
even though it is straight up a Monty Python reference, I think
I wish it didn't teleport, but instead leaped at Zagreus
brazen isle
Wasn’t that Princess Bride?
lean ferry
it does leap at you tho
jade grove
No, I mean, the tiny rat is a Monty Python ref.
Because it's more like the Killer Rabbit, but it's a rat
ROUS is a Princess Bride gag, so I wanted Zag to say a line based on it when the BIG rat miniboss appears
"Now that's a rodent of unusual size."
But the one I was referencing was the Killer Rabbit dialogue
lean ferry
really liking the new aspect, not too sure how i feel about the weapon tho
its neat, but i dunno how good it is
tidal hedge
void vigil
the fact that you can always either gift dusa or hear her conversations is giving me serious FOMO ;__;
but im assuming i will be able to hear the conversations, just... later, when i dont gift her
brave zinc
What's the button to see what boons you already have?
knotty epoch
a few people have mentioned switching it to tab
it seems a little more natural there, but i'm too used to b now
inner geode
i've given 6 nectars to skelly and now i have heart with lock in codex on him. i've got 2x ambrosia and i can't give it to him, why?
worldly fractal
I'm not sure, maybe the wiki might help, but I think you have to max his keepsake. That's what I did before being able to give him Ambrosia. Might be some other requirement though @inner geode
inner geode
oh, nice, so i gotta max it, thanks!
prisma kite
y'know, it'd be quite something if after hades, there'd be another zone, on the battlefields of earth and zag has to slay mortals to find persephone and she's the last boss, i don't know what kind of lore reason you'd have to spin for such a turn of events but... it'd leave an impression lol
imagine sending mom back... "the hard way"
lmao
random eagle
I always thought once he got out the olympians would try and bring him to olympus only to find he never had any intentions of joining them which would then anger them and in retaliation Zeus would battle him if he wished to stay on the surface in search of persephone. Or something to that effect
prisma kite
I mean there's no reason for Zeus to want Zagreus up on Olympus, is there?
worldly fractal
To spite Hades lol
prisma kite
Zeus doesn't care about spiting Hades, he thinks he's way better than Hades so he doesn't need to do anything to prove that
random eagle
theres multiple lines from just about every god about getting him up to olympus so I would assume he has some reason
prisma kite
at least i think so
lol i forgot
about the bot
well i think they just wanna know where persephone is
worldly fractal
It'd be some sort of "Even your son rallied to me, why won't you", I feel
prisma kite
cuz demeter is making things really bad for their followers
worldly fractal
But yeah, there'll be a clash when they discover why Zag really wants to get out of hell and he's been hiding it from them all alon
prisma kite
i mean some of the olympians clearly think lesser of Zagreus because of his origins
they have a disdain for the cthonic
prisma kite
or maybe the gods are getting worried about an uprising of the dead in Hades because their numbers are increasing pretty fast and they're all dying because of the cruelty of the gods, so maye Zeus fears an uprising of the shades?
we see the shades can send Zag back to the underworld, maybe in great numbers they can topple the gods
like how the gods toppled the titans
random eagle
I dont think thats the case because Hades claims no one gets out of hell
random eagle
he said the two people who ever almost made it out never really did
random eagle
we cant forget theyre gods though
prisma kite
yeah but what actually made it hard to escape?
the shades themselves
what if the shades decide to leave on their own
i don't see the hydra
or cerberus
or theseus and minotaur
or hades himself
stopping the mass revolt
by themselves
gods or not
worldly fractal
That'd be epic
prisma kite
like the game hints at the fact
that Hades is anxious
and keeps cerberus close by
maybe he does fear an uprising of sorts
because demeter and ares are sending a lot of cranky shades of mortals down there
a lot of discontented shades at once
might stir something up
and y'know, greek mythology has this theme of the new bringing down the old
so y'know not even the gods are above that per se
achilles mentions that shades are closer to the gods than mortals, since y'know shades can't die
they're already dead
dark souls age of dark vibes, where the age of fire ends and it's the age of humans and the dark soul
lean ferry
ikr
its worth the investment technically, if you look at trades
autumn pagoda
@void nova l'm disagree with your Benefits Package modifier feedback. Instantly explain "why enemy is dangerous" right when you encounter something first time, partially kills the aspect of self-learning & this is bad for Rogue-lite (like) genre.
mild needle
Death is a part of the experience
By signing the pact of punishment you are willingly making life harder for Zagreus (and yourself)
hollow heron
The problem is when it's unclear after a while what things do
You shouldn't be going "what does that do" for very long
brave zinc
speaking of benefits package, anyone have a link for all the effects?
gleaming crane
- Shifter: teleports around from time to time
- Bruiser: extra armor
- Puller: surrounded by a field that pulls you in
- Savior: intermittently makes nearby foes briefly invulnerable
- Slugger: hits harder
- Speeder: moves and attacks faster
- Linker: links to other foes via a continuous beam that damages you
- Cloner: summons 1-Life copies of itself
- Burner: spews molten puddles
- Seeker: ranged attacks track you
- Popper: bursts into Exalted Shades that self-destruct
void vigil
i thought savior makes them ignore an instance of damage, like the damage control pact?
misty kindle
how do you use the benefits package
void vigil
activate it in the pact of punishment
misty kindle
oh
hollow heron
I need to get better at melee weapons
gleaming crane
That's what it is, alma, it gives them one hit of invulnerability, it's poorly worded in the patch notes.
hollow heron
All of my clears are with ranged weapons
misty kindle
i feel like these fists are broken with rush kick
gleaming crane
Melee weapons are hard for me too 6000j. I feel like they're harder to learn, especially with benefit package (my last run, aspect of Arthur, shifter speeder witches in Asphodel's Erebus room, I still have no idea how I managed to not get hit), but eventually you'll get it.
hollow heron
I think a lot of it is simply how I play
I play a lot slower with ranged
Which means safer
And also final boss is so much easier with range
inner geode
hey, how to unlock weapon aspects?
hollow heron
Once you've unlocked all the weapons do a run and finish it in some way (die or clear)
And then once you choose a weapon there'll be an obvious orb where it was you can choose the aspect
inner geode
i've got all 6 weapons and did a lot of runs
and nothing happened
do i have to beat hades with every weapon to unlock it?
inner geode
so dunno what happened
hollow heron
Try restarting the game?
gleaming crane
Let me guess, you just didn't interact with the orb after picking your weapon?
gleaming crane
Well at least you probably have a lot of blood to spend on them now that you know 
inner geode
nope xD i was sure that it does nothing so i was selling it for gemstones
i've got 3 left
but i don't see aspect of arthur :/
i think i have to beat hades with sword
gleaming crane
To unlock Arthur, you need ||to unlock Guan Yu, invest a certain amount of blood in the sword and then Nyx will tell you about it.||
To unlock Guan Yu, iirc, you need|| to invest in spear aspects and Achilles will tell you about it.||
inner geode
so i need a lot of blood xD
gleaming crane
Yes.
hollow heron
Nice!
inner geode
i always kill theseus first :p
cunning yacht
@gleaming crane untrue about invest of blood
all i did was just open the 2 slots on spear
and i could take guan yu
also ty for that list it helps to get used to what does what
btw is it just me who love so much this new system that gives them skills when they got the armor ?
it makes this feel like an elite pack on diablo 3
and i love seeing what comes with what
:d
even when i do runs just for darkness i always take 2 ranks on it :d
probably my new favorite heat
inner geode
hey i got maxed keepsake from skelly, in codex it shows me heart with a lock and i cant give him ambrosia
wtf
molten haven
need to progress the story somehow
hexed smelt
the heart with a lock indicates you need to complete a special event with him in order to give ambrosia!
inner geode
oh okey
hexed smelt
for skelly, specifically, keep talking to him and he’ll eventually ask a favour of you
warm elbow
Dusa requires lots of Ambrosia for some reason
hexed smelt
and as this is not the spoiler channel that’s all i’ll say ;)
molten haven
cuz shes 
warm elbow
Yes but i refuse
cunning yacht
same
but i mean i see why she requares so much
i was half expecting nyx to give bk the darknesss too
inner geode
hmmm if i sold 4 titan blood 250 gemstones each
and chtonic key is 10 gemstones
and 15 keys is titan blood
so 4 titan bloods will cost me 600 gems
am i right?
warm dove
confuse time
inner geode
15 keys is titan blood according to wiki but sth could have changed
thats why im asking :p
cunning yacht
for me my most presius resorce is still gems
cunning yacht
oh i see what u are trying to do now
if titan blood is sold for 250 then yea
u are making 100gems profit
on each
but the 250 gems for 1 titan blood is quite rare
inner geode
nope, i just sold titan blood before because i thought it does nothing
so i want titan blood back xD
cunning yacht
oh
cunning yacht
hmm
maybe they should up the price to buy keys
becouse as is u can spend 150 gems to make 250gems
even if its once every so often
it still feel like it shouldnt be like that
warm dove
there are 4 things which effect is huge: TBlood, Gem, Ambrosa and Diamond
Tblood ofcourse
gem for house and run
ambrosa for late keepsake
and diamond for the story, mission
cunning yacht
kenny u know if bosses give more darkness the more heat u go ? i have yet to have a clear answer on that
misty kindle
how does one get more titan blood without buying
cunning yacht
use the heat system
sharp parcel
you don't get darkness for killing bosses, you get blood, diamond, or ambrosia
cunning yacht
use diferent type of weapons and the heat system
@sharp parcel i mean for example
u are on lvl 8 heat on weapon
sharp parcel
you only get darkness if you die during the run and start over, then the bosses you've defeated will reward you with darkness instead
cunning yacht
then u do lvl 6 heat run on same weapon
warm dove
@cunning yacht it only have a certain amount of darkness
misty kindle
k
cunning yacht
is it same as lvl 1 heat run
sharp parcel
oh yeah, I keep forgetting that you can replay the same heat over and over on normal
sharp parcel
yeah, if you replay the run on the same heat you beat it the bosses will drop darkness, around 100 each
misty kindle
im still a noob but
ive interacted with every god but demeter
sharp parcel
she comes up later in the game, I believe