Also definitely want Charon to have a creepy appearance
#h1-discussion
swift socket
@lucid sequoia Yeah Charon has the best lines in the game definately. Very elequant
worthy egret
Charon has many dif interpretations i think
lucid sequoia
exactly
vast dagger
Makes sense
worthy egret
I saw ones where he was an old ugly man, one where he was a skelly, one where he was young
lucid sequoia
i love when he says ''hmmrhmmm''
worthy egret
I like charon's current look
prime steeple
He’s one of my favorites. As weird as that sounds. I hope they explore the relationship between him, Hermes, and Thanatos more
worthy egret
Cha "Hehrhrhrrrhrhrhrnnn" ron
floral belfry
every time I hear thanatos I can't help but think thanos
lucid sequoia
Cha "Hehrhrhrrrhrhrhrnnn" ron
@worthy egret beautiful
vast dagger
Thanatos car
worthy egret
[Thanatos voice] I. Am. Inevitable
lucid sequoia
NO
swift socket
Im gonna admit, of the 2 charecters wearing the robe when I started playing (Nyx and Charon) the one I expected to get a redesign, was Charon, because his model didn't look like his art, while Nyx's did.
marsh jackal
@lucid sequoia @novel wasp
I see your points in saying you don’t like arthurs swing speed especially in elysium personaly I haven’t had an issue using arthur in a specific biome over another
Typically I use it I wait for the enemy to attack dash behind them and do the dash attack, plus two extra autos
Using the third auto on arthur usually is a trap
vast dagger
This is probably my favourite charon design so far
vast dagger
worthy egret
The final boss' identity is a spoiler, dont say eet
vast dagger
I actually have no idea how the plots going to resolve
It’ll have something to do with Demeter, dialogue hints at a recent and long war and winter
prime steeple
Yeah the forever winter makes me think that way
lucid sequoia
ragnarok
worthy egret
I wonder of we'll get smth about zag realizing what is he a god of. I mean bit of a reach but what he's supposed to be a god of is too badass not to be talked about
lucid sequoia
what about his mom tho
vast junco
i do think demeter and her winter are integral to the resolution, it's been very hinted at
floral belfry
god of smex
lucid sequoia
it's been a while
vast dagger
Sets the scene for the next supergiant game, Asgard
lucid sequoia
oh
floral belfry
asgarfield
lucid sequoia
take my money then
worthy egret
Because i mean. I mean. If persephone is not in the underworld, it shouldn't be winter
floral belfry
I'm sorry Johnatos
vast dagger
What’s Persephone the god of
prime steeple
Oops
sleek juniper
@worthy egret ; if you read the completed thanatos entry; there is a hint at what Zagreus is the god of-
floral belfry
the god of proxy
worthy egret
@sleek juniper i just googled it
sleek juniper
And it makes a LOT of sense.
floral belfry
he's the god of determination
worthy egret
Nah thats sans
floral belfry
yes
lucid sequoia
i also want the plot with the ||''Murr-murrder'' fury ||
vast dagger
What if undertake takes place in the underworld
prime steeple
I’ve always thought it was weird all the gods are baiting him to the surface. I think they’ve got some place to mess with Hades and they need Zag out
vast dagger
Is that possibility ruled out
worthy egret
He's obviously Kayn from league of legends
prime steeple
*plan
sleek juniper
@blazing carbon with weird handle; that will be a murder mystery subplot
lucid sequoia
I’ve always thought it was weird all the gods are baiting him to the surface. I think they’ve got some place to mess with Hades and they need Zag out
@prime steeple exactly my point
vast dagger
I’ve heard a theory that they’re doing it for pride, they don’t know zag is trying to find Persephone
worthy egret
^
sleek juniper
@floral belfry G O D O F B O N E S
floral belfry
nyx may have told athena
lucid sequoia
who's skelly's boss
worthy egret
Artemis wouldn't do it for pride though
lucid sequoia
z's mom?
vast dagger
God of Out of place but nice sounding accents
worthy egret
OUT OF PLACE BHT NICE SOUNDING ACCENTS
floral belfry
artemis just wants to hunt zag and harvest his venison
prime steeple
Yeah like they tell him they need him to do “x” and he says “nah ima go find Persephone” and all of a sudden he’s running gauntlets on the surface against the gods
sleek juniper
@vast dagger ; i think they mention that they want him up there because they think he wants to stick it to old man Hades; and olympians are cool.
vast dagger
I just wanna hunt for gods’ sakes
worthy egret
I just want to hug Artemis
prime steeple
Artemis best waifu
floral belfry
I think poseidon, aphrodite, athena, and artemis would still be friendly
worthy egret
She cant be your waifu shes a virgin goddess
vast dagger
They’re all very quick to anger
prime steeple
We can hold hands. It’ll be chill.
sleek juniper
Thats why ||he does not mention his real goal; because zag think the lympians would be offended if his reason to go up is not because they are awesome||
prime steeple
Trü
floral belfry
also ares might be semi friendly but still want to fight
vast dagger
Dion would be I reckon, not aphro
floral belfry
maybe but he seems kinda smug
prime steeple
I think he might be like asterius where you kick his butt then he helps you
lucid sequoia
if you hold hands with artemis she will rip it off your wrist to make new gloves
floral belfry
like he's got some uppercut waiting for him
worthy egret
Ares was very quick to go and try to murder me i would not trust him but then again i dont think hes the type to have underlying plans
vast dagger
Nah he’s just drunk
worthy egret
Mans just wants bloodshed
vast dagger
Agreed
lucid sequoia
I love Ares
vast dagger
His design is very cool
lucid sequoia
some men just want to watch the world burn
lucid sequoia
i'm one of them
prime steeple
Dionysus would just be blitzed in the background like “woah zag man totally harshin the mellow out here brother” and the fight begins
vast dagger
The other gods don’t know Hermes is helping zag, I suspect he’s doing it for different reasons
lucid sequoia
Hermes is pretty cool, he asked me two times if i wanted him to shut up 
sleek juniper
Hermes is like the embodiment of halal food truck worker/kebab delivery guy.
worthy egret
Hermes is a good boy
lucid sequoia
aye
vast dagger
I feel terrible accidentally skipping dialogue
floral belfry
the gods will kill hermes for taking up the run naming scheme
vast dagger
Does anyone ever comment on it
worthy egret
Dont think so
floral belfry
being referenced 4 times
lucid sequoia
i don't think so
floral belfry
other gods only get referenced once
prime steeple
Yeah I think the Hermès/Charon/Thanatos arc is going to be then helping us get back into hell to save our father after the gods lock it down
vast dagger
Ok cool
worthy egret
I wonder if than and hermes are friends
lucid sequoia
but knowing SSG someone probably does lol
there is dialogue for EVERYTHING in this game
floral belfry
poseidon will take you on a fishing trip
lucid sequoia
Ocean man will take me by the hand?
floral belfry
yes
worthy egret
I hope theres more development for Hades like,,, he does seem to me like he isnt evil and cares about zag but really sucks at it
lucid sequoia
nice
vast dagger
What if one of the endings is hanging out and preparing a feast with everyone
prime steeple
No, you ARE the fish. Poseidon boss fight confirmed avoiding one huge bobber
floral belfry
one huge boobie
lucid sequoia
I hope theres more development for Hades like,,, he does seem to me like he isnt evil and cares about zag but really sucks at it
@worthy egret it's kratos
worthy egret
Theres multiple endings?
floral belfry
yeah he just says BOI
worthy egret
Nah kratos just ate them
floral belfry
he's cratos with spear beard
vast dagger
Hades doesn’t actually have a beard just a moustache
prime steeple
Yeah like you pair with the gods, pair with your dad, or do some yolo stuff
lucid sequoia
right now the multiple endings are just different dialogue from the storyteller voice person
vast dagger
Also does anyone else think the narrator uses too many adjectives
lucid sequoia
how so
vast dagger
He’ll often say ever-shifting
sage finch
Man, is there a reason why in #hades-feedback Styxbot thumbs everything down? Or is he just gloomy?
vast dagger
Or like some compound adjective before “prince”
vast junco
@worthy egret yeah, although he's a terrible father and an absolute jerk, it doesn't feel completely malicious or purely of evil intent. especially with those brief slips where he backhandedly compliments zag or shows some vulnerability irt to him
lucid sequoia
Man, is there a reason why in #hades-feedback Styxbot thumbs everything down? Or is he just gloomy?
@sage finch it's for easy access if someone dislikes your message
vast dagger
He also thumbs up everyone
lucid sequoia
yes
prime steeple
Yeah it’s just so people have the option immediately instead of searching for the emote
vast dagger
I’m not sure how much zags the good guy tbh
lucid sequoia
so you like or dislike and go home yknow
sage finch
I see.
vast dagger
You’d think he’d take up some responsibility
old sentinel
What if Hermes, Patron of Thieves, offered a boon that gave you a random boon from a different god, guaranteed heroic level?
sage finch
So he's not just an Eyore.
lucid sequoia
What if Hermes, Patron of Thieves, offered a boon that gave you a random boon from a different god, guaranteed heroic level?
@old sentinel hmmm
vast dagger
Ehh
vast dagger
something to do with thievery would be good though
vast junco
i mean, zag is rebellious for sure, but he's a genuinely caring and kind person overall
vast dagger
Yeah for sure
sage finch
Except his father.
lucid sequoia
i'm talking to you Bouldy
prime steeple
I think he’s more like “do no harm but take no s***”
vast dagger
He’s nice to literally everyone I think he’s a good dude
vast junco
bouldy's smile belies an eternity of torment
prime steeple
Harm being loosely used here lol
vast dagger
But I feel like work needs doing in the underworld
lucid sequoia
yeah for sure
prime steeple
True
sage finch
I'm not sure how good Hades is as an administrator.
prime steeple
That’s why I think in the end he goes back
vast dagger
He seems alright
lucid sequoia
Hades just hired those shades to pretend he's working
vast dagger
A little Kafka-esque, the pact hints at some bureaucracy
lucid sequoia
most of the time he's on the karaoke with orpheus
prime steeple
Dusa actually hades disguised to avoid working
lucid sequoia
LOL what
vast junco
hades is the kind of guy to bury himself in work to avoid digging up complicated feelings that hurt to dwell on
vast dagger
Side note I like how hades talks to the shades now
The house was too quiet before
Maybe that was the point though
lucid sequoia
hades is the kind of guy to bury himself in work to avoid digging up complicated feelings that hurt to dwell on
@vast junco but he talks s*** even while working
vast dagger
I think zag and hades just don’t understand each other at all
vast junco
i mean, that's not mutually exclusive
lucid sequoia
oh
prime steeple
Yeah just think man. Any time you encounter dusa she SAYS she’s working then just shoots up to the ceiling. It’s actually hades avoiding work. The hades figure in the chair is a ruse
Expectations subverted
lucid sequoia
no, no, he's got a point
vast dagger
Dusa is never on the same screen as hades, she goes to the roof to control her hades puppet
vast junco
hades carries a lot of pain irt the olympians, and i think he, in his awful roundabout hades brand way, is trying to prevent zag from experiencing something similar
as one facet of his whole thing with zag
sage finch
I concur @vast junco
prime steeple
Yeah I can see that
sage finch
The Olympians are twits.
vast dagger
I don’t really know why hades is like that though, the gods mention they’ve tried to patch things up a bunch
blissful monolith
He's infinitely stubborn and refuses to make amends
prime steeple
Yeah “patch things up” could have different meaning for both of them
vast dagger
Maybe hades feels he has more of a duty
sage finch
I think it's because Hades is a level-headed honest hardworking guy who cares about people, qualities which would not promote anyone on Olympus.
lucid sequoia
i said before, i think the gods will betray him and we'll have to beat them, hades knows that and he's trying to protect zag from a divine gang fight
uncut gazelle
@sage finch You mean all of the Olympians aside from Artemis
blissful monolith
and it's not like the Olympians are much better pride-wise
vast dagger
The olympians seem to do a lot of pointless quarrelling
prime steeple
Divine Gang Fight is a better name for this game
lucid sequoia
lol
sage finch
@uncut gazelle Of not, Artemis does not dwell on Olympus./
vast dagger
Does hades care about people though?
sage finch
Nor, I think, did she fight in the Titan War.
lucid sequoia
about zag
vast dagger
@sage finch
vast junco
yeah, although the game revolves around receiving olympian boons, there are many lines which make it clear that the gods are not ideal people. they are jealous, sometimes malicious, crave attention or reciprocation, etc. hades is all too familiar with this while zag is just delving into that world
lucid sequoia
Artemis
if you don't choose her boon
after you defeat her minions she's still mad
sage finch
I get the feeling she's just going through the motions with that one.
lucid sequoia
hmm i trust no one
sage finch
It's not that you didn't choose her, it's that you chose one of those OTHER losers.
vast junco
yeah i really like artemis in this game, she's an interesting one
emphasizes her difference in demeanor from most of the other gods
lucid sequoia
i like her voice tho
uncut gazelle
Most of the gods are pretty smug when you give them some ambrosia
Whereas Artemis gets confused as to why anyone would want to give her gifts
vast dagger
Yeah they all expect offerings
sage finch
I don't think Artemis much cares for the Olympians, and I'm not sure that she technically is one.
sage finch
Demeter is having a tough time.
vast dagger
Mentions zag is respectful and obedient unlike humans
lucid sequoia
I don't think Artemis much cares for the Olympians, and I'm not sure that she technically is one.
@sage finch she really doesn't, she often says she wants to be far from them
lucid sequoia
Demeter is having a tough time.
@sage finch She punched the crap out of her dad with the twin fists
vast junco
she prefers to hunt far away from them, and hang around wood nymphs rather than be up on olympus
lucid sequoia
she's badass
vast junco
rejecting any offers to find a mate, etc
sage finch
I should say, Athena's not so bad.
vast dagger
Yeah I like her
blissful monolith
it's easy to be respectful and obedient when you're not able to talk back to Demeter 😛
lucid sequoia
Athena is one of my favorites
sage finch
The second gen Olympians are generally less awful.
lucid sequoia
IF NOT
vast dagger
I can understand why hades would dislike dio, he’s just a party guy
Ares gives him a lot of extra work
He probably perceives his brothers as patronising
uncut gazelle
This version of Ares is a lot better than what I've heard of the OG myths as we know them
That Ares is a hot-tempered, bloodthirsty coward
vast junco
yeah athena is neat. i think she means well and genuinely cares about zag's plight etc, but has inherited a twinge of the distant/condescending vibe perpetuated by olympians
blissful monolith
this Ares is more cold-blooded and lacking in empathy than anything
sage finch
She's still Zeus's daughter.
lucid sequoia
Ares, in this game, is my favorite god. His design, voice, boon effects and all, 10/10
vast junco
ares is definitely chilling. the talk of how cool murder is, obviously as one point. but his confidence in his role with it especially
pliant dagger
ares is wonderful
vast junco
he's written well with the lines he has in this game
uncut gazelle
I also really like Artemis's boons. Crit stacking is one of my favorite archetypes, which works wonders with Nemesis Stygian, and some of the fast weapons like the rail or the fists make good use of her homing arrows.
pliant dagger
i love the nectar lines he's got
vast dagger
I’m gonna go to sleep now everyone
pliant dagger
sleep well, say hi to hypnos for us
blissful monolith
the real question with Ares is: is the area around his eyes painted, or is the rest of his face painted?
lucid sequoia
nighty night
vast dagger
Nighty night get it cos it’s the name of the update
mellow elbow
hi Iam new for that game . Sorry for interrrupet u guys characters talking. May I ask about that mirror talents? May I have the new one and the old one both actived? ummmm
vast junco
nyx tuck you into bed
blissful monolith
No, they're mutually exclusive
novel wasp
I get annoyed by Ares as he is tryna be im14andthisisdeep while keep ignoring my situation
lucid sequoia
lol
pliant dagger
i like his design a lot lmao
lucid sequoia
absolutely amazing
mellow elbow
awwww ty man
novel wasp
also I will eat his haircut
lucid sequoia
wtf
pliant dagger
boon wise i'd say athena/dionysus are my fave
lucid sequoia
aight leave some for me
uncut gazelle
I have a freind who's crushing hard on
novel wasp
yeeyee ass haircut lookin ass xd
blissful monolith
chaos is an enby icon
lucid sequoia
chaos has 157 mouths
pliant dagger
chaos 😳
lucid sequoia
157 kissing options
pliant dagger
i love hermes a lot too,,,i think his design is really cute lmao
and the way he calls you boss
uncut gazelle
yo when can we romance skelly
lucid sequoia
i'm so caught on this conversation i have a full plate of food in front of me, see you later lol
pliant dagger
i just recently got the option to tell him to shut up ;-; i could never.
enjoy food
blissful monolith
I wonder if there are statistics on the number of people who told Hermes to shut up
so that I can hunt them down
pliant dagger
we can romance skelly when we find out why he's here ;)
vast junco
even if you tell hermes to pipe down he'll pipe back up later on anyways, don't worry
blissful monolith
novel wasp
@pliant dagger do not, bone the skeleton
pliant dagger
the only bone im missing in my body is skellys 😔
vast junco
oh my god
uncut gazelle
I want a romance screen where it fades to black and all we see is "boyo..." at the bottom
blissful monolith
is that an exhortation to bone the skeleton or a warning not to
because that comma is unfortunately placed
vast junco
a family can be one son of hades and a skeleton paid to get beat up
prime steeple
“You gunna just sit there or are you gunna smooch me boyo”
novel wasp
good lord why am i in this server
blissful monolith
Charon romance when
prime steeple
“Hhrrrrrggggg.....oooooohhhhh!”
uncut gazelle
"Megaera, I'm in another relationship as well, and I just want to clear the air with you."
"That's fine, Zagraeus, I'm not going to stop you from being with whoever you want to be."
"It's...It's skelly."
"wait WHAT."
vast junco
when his new art comes out i can guarantee people will thirst for mr. hhhuuugrh
novel wasp
hhhhhhuuuurgh
blissful monolith
the end goal of this game is to get every character together in a friendly cuddle pile
pliant dagger
ok but when can i hug bouldy for being a good boy
blissful monolith
Better?
prime steeple
CUDDLE PUDDLE
vast junco
zag takes the concept of polyamory as a challenge to kiss all
prime steeple
Thanks I hate it
pliant dagger
omw to kiss every shade i encounter—
uncut gazelle
aphrodites approves
pliant dagger
he's taken by theseus ;)
vast junco
romance the one zag fan shade at elysium colosseum
novel wasp
Romance big boi Sisphyus
blissful monolith
Dusa: Wait up, Zagreus-senpai~~
pliant dagger
it's a dating sim first and rougelike/lite second
vast junco
there was legit a line with the asterius miniboss encounter about giving him ambrosia and i can't believe i was teased like that
blissful monolith
Dusa is our family maid. She's sweet but a real klutz. Also we're childhood friends, probably
prime steeple
I hope some developers are in here this is groundbreaking stuff
uncut gazelle
Dusa deserves a hug
blissful monolith
sometimes a family can be a minotaur, a god of blood and a king and that's okay
vast junco
maybe the fish just go directly to the chef as gifts and not for the kitchen
chef just loves fish
pliant dagger
but ur the same person
novel wasp
Loving yourself is a virtue
pliant dagger
valid
novel wasp
Also canon, Dionysus does yoga when hes off chronically drunk
or maybe he is still very much drunk while doing yoga at the same time to get dat leg
vast junco
you've heard of hot yoga, now get ready for drunk yoga
blissful monolith
the benefit of being a god is not having to do yoga to maintain that physique
pliant dagger
waiting for the scene where dionysus does squats
novel wasp
"Now take a deep breath and...BURPS"
uncut gazelle
"Eyyyy, zag-man, we're hitting up the gym, and it's L E G D A Y"
vast junco
zag keeps burning the yoga mats to cinders with his fire feet
pliant dagger
his punishment for not picking him during the trial is a rigorous yoga session
lucid sequoia
dude what did i come back to
pliant dagger
sounds like a great workout plan
uncut gazelle
okay but can we talk about how swole sisyphus is
vast junco
extremely normal hades discussion is what
lucid sequoia
oh k thx
lucid sequoia
my dude is ALL muscle
novel wasp
sit ups, push ups, and plenty of F R U I T J U I C E
pliant dagger
fermented or not is solely up to the person
novel wasp
"Dude when I said bring your fruit juice for the workout I did not tell you to bring a whole urn of wine"
vast junco
delicious Pom Punch
novel wasp
"What? It's 1942 Chateau Olympus"
prime steeple
“Woahhhh zag man. You didn’t rerack your weighs. Chad move bro”
novel wasp
"Not like that virgin Ares"
lucid sequoia
Ares is not a virgin, I can confirm
blissful monolith
"Zag, I'm not even sure how you're lifting so much weight but I am here for it, man"
prime steeple
Lmao
blissful monolith
"Zag, I dare you to hold the sky for Atlas while I go get some more beverages"
uncut gazelle
Watch Theseus make a big show about his sets, only to spend the whole day taking pictures of himself in front of the mirrors
lucid sequoia
that i agree
novel wasp
I lowkey want all the gods iteration in hades but a modern twist
now that we got leg day Dionysus
vast junco
theseus poorly photoshopping huge muscles on himself in social media photos
novel wasp
LOL
novel wasp
snort
lucid sequoia
deep
vast junco
asterius the loyal post liker 😔
lucid sequoia
lol
lucid sequoia
he's the one that waits when you're behind tying your shoe
vast junco
so true
novel wasp
he got the pomperador or whatever that spells
vast junco
his pomp slaps
uncut gazelle
pompadour
lucid sequoia
yeah
novel wasp
If Aesterius has EM phase he would be wearing Elvis' outfit and goes im one of a kind and deals 100 damage in one shot
novel wasp
all left legs babyeeeee
also make sure to drop disco ball in the middle of arena
he might be died in the toilet but he don't give a crap
abstract fable
what is the Distant Memory keepsake? like physically? looks like a small jar or something
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/hades_gamepedia_en/8/88/Distant_Memory.png?version=16ddd5f76c933e53ef44f29c63c4b02c
with something shiny inside
novel wasp
its the happiness and lost hopes of orpheus
abstract fable
i would have assumed it would be like, a lock of eurydice's hair, or something like that
lucid sequoia
its the happiness and lost hopes of orpheus
@novel wasp you 14 there
novel wasp
and if you try to open it you will make orpheus wanting to die again
abstract fable
bruh
novel wasp
@lucid sequoia thats literally what he said himself, im just the messenger
lucid sequoia
yeah i know lol
well
talking about Orpheus, today i stood still for almost 15 minutes listening to his singing
oof that hit hard
novel wasp
a lock of eurydice's hair
@abstract fable pluck dat tree gorl's leaves baybeee
@lucid sequoia orpheus be like 👀
west chasm
@abstract fable that is actually the jar where Orpheus keeps a preserved figure of Rainbow Dash from My Little Pony
lucid sequoia
ooooh
abstract fable
ok fellas that's enough
novel wasp
what have you done
lucid sequoia
makes sense
lucid sequoia
LOL
lucid sequoia
this channel has seen WAY worse
lucid sequoia
no, that's just beautiful
i laughed at Dio cause he's JUST like the dudes on my gym
they sound and look high all the time
chill bros
west chasm
What subreddit would Dionysus browse the most?
novel wasp
r/leg day?
west chasm
My bet goes to some ironic meme site
abstract fable
poseidon sounding like a surfer dude never gets old for me
novel wasp
Poseidon is a manchild
west chasm
Poseidon is literally the cool uncle
blissful monolith
Poseidon thinks he's the cool uncle
worthy dagger
Poseidons that one uncle that lets the young cousins and stuff drink at parties
west chasm
Also i like how Hades and Zag's relationship is pretty much just angsty teen and pissed off dad
lucid sequoia
Poseidons that one uncle that lets the young cousins and stuff drink at parties
@worthy dagger that's also Dio
blissful monolith
Hades preparing his angsty son for a thrilling career in data entry
lucid sequoia
poseindon thinks he's the cool uncle, but they all know that Dio is the cool one
worthy dagger
True but dio would hit them with the strong vintage
novel wasp
@blissful monolith
Poseidon: I am the greatest uncle!
Also Poseidon: Here have my Legendary boon Huge Catch hope you like it
worthy dagger
The strong stuff
blissful monolith
"Come fishing with me, nephew!"
west chasm
Legendary catch literally farms gems for you
novel wasp
i think the fact that if you were given huge catch zag would literally throw it to the ground lol
lucid sequoia
that boon was a slap in the face, with a fish
west chasm
Poseidon's purpose in the game is to pimp your house
lucid sequoia
Absolute Unit
novel wasp
c h o n k
blissful monolith
we all know Hades is the king of bling
lucid sequoia
lol
worthy dagger
Artemis is that one aunt that picks favorite child’s and takes you out hunting for days on end
blissful monolith
Isn't Artemis Zag's cousin, not aunt?
novel wasp
and then the son is like the millenial which media potrays who will buy everything while being poor at the same time
west chasm
Yeah Artemis is Zag's cousin
blissful monolith
Hades is a boomer who's angry Zag hasn't bought his own house yet
novel wasp
Artemis is like the cousin who hates her parents but will hang out with you more so than usual to the point you kinda doubt if she is even your cousin to be that affectionate with you
blissful monolith
"When I was your age I already had a wife, kids, a mortgage and two cars and a steady data entry job"
novel wasp
@blissful monolith add a dog into it
novel wasp
so apparently that story happens ||inbetween he start the escape?||
||because hades mentioned even athena helped out zag's sorry ass or something||
novel wasp
Hey for a person who hates paperjob, I relate to him a lot
everytime i see mountains of paperwork i wanna die inside
worthy egret
like, its too much for him
cerulean iris
no, this is another flashback before the escapes Fade
novel wasp
but why did Hades said something about athena, not calling out her name, but saying she already reached out to you
if the reason he started escape is when the gods are already starting to help him
tardy garnet
Maybe that’s what inspired him to ask Athena first specifically
novel wasp
he did not ask athena for help shaz
i think this belongs to spoiler
... transition to #h1-story-discussion , pay Huge Catch as my boon to sacrifice to the Underworld Custom...
pliant dagger
i can't play hades atm but im listening to the ost and this is equal parts good and bad bc it puts me in the Zone when drawing but it also makes me want to play :')
lucid sequoia
sometimes i like to open the games just to decide what to listen to next
abstract fable
when is my boy the broker gonna get his own beautiful ui screen i wonder
brazen isle
flint jetty
Shoutout to this latest patch for being my best friend and saviour while I'm quarantined and bored out of my mind
sturdy elbow
whats the best shield aspect?
civic prism
Most people say Chaos, I prefer Zeus
30 damage every 0.3 seconds (which is just the minimum time exactly for on hit effects to proc) is nice.
sturdy elbow
oh well i can try it
civic prism
I tend to make it a deflect or poison inflicting shield.
Since having something just floating around between you and a boss that endlessly deflects is hella nice, but so is almost instantly putting 5 stacks or more of poison on basically anything in an area
civic prism
First time I beat the game was with like a rank 2 deflect zeus shield
It's easily my most consistent victory path
sturdy elbow
closest i got to beating the game was with a gun build
used hammer to make its special a rocket with 100 base damage, like 100% more with aphrodite special, then after kill it does 200% more because of ares thing
its insane
woahh i found a demeter boon
dark cradle
I think my first clear was on Shield too
stoic quail
I think zeus aspect is best but it has higher skill ceiling. Chaos aspect is just straight up good pretty much however you use it but if you play it well Zeus is higher potential power
slow rose
Do dash strikes apply the attack boon or the dash boon effect?
dark cradle
Zeus is best aspect definitely.
If only because you can get Aphro on Special and it looks like a lovestruck sentient shield is following you around.
vast junco
i agree; i think if that micromanagement of attacking all the while keeping tabs on the special's positioning is practiced enough, the output gets wild
prime steeple
Wait a minute when I left we were talking about Charon best waifu and now we are discussing game mechanics?
How the turn tables
civic prism
Ok Micheal Scott
maiden spear
Does anybody know if there'll be ingame achievements in case the epic store doesn't have achievements built into their shop by the time Steam gets it?
merry harbor
There will be, but not in early access.
It was a question in one of the "Ask Supergiant" things.
merry harbor
Yup, happy to help!
winged bear
woop woop, run 200 complete
winged bear
foes slain: 67496
oof, that's a lot of numbskulls, amongst other things
I got the big 5-0 around 195, so 25% success rate overall
lucid sequoia
i cannot enjoy the ||Adamant Rail|| until i'm on the last boss with 13 boons and at least 3 hammers
civic prism
Yeah I'm not a big fan of the rail either
I might try it with maxed out Hestia some day, but until then it's just.. need to reload
lucid sequoia
that's when the hammers come in handy
they can save a run
or make it even more ''not good'' lol
talking about hammers, i miss the one for the shield ''Fast Flight'' i think, THAT was fun
brisk trail
I think Dread Flight is still in the game, it also speeds up the Throw, I though.
lucid sequoia
hmm
brisk trail
Used to run it with Mirage Flight (Zeus protoype) which made it zip around the room more quickly.
lucid sequoia
when i get home i'll come back to my baby shield
after the spear aspect ||twin fists|| and ||sword aspect|| i didn't play much with the other weapons lol
abstract fable
life hack: if you don't have lament of orpheus unlocked on the stand but you want to listen to it in-game, simply change the music volume slider in the settings
you're welcome
lucid sequoia
very nice
abstract fable
top ten things the house contractor doesn't want you to know
that's a whole three diamonds saved
lucid sequoia
i turn my diamonds into titan blood
i cant control myself
the broker calls to me
trail helm
So coming back to the game after a few months away. How do aspects work? Are you only able to modify the weapon you used on your last run? Are most considered balanced?
distant hearth
at least at the level I play (low-mid heat) they are all good enough, though some (like Chiron's bow aspect) only shine once you've dumped enough blood into them
trail helm
Can I just start and quit a run to modify a different weapon than the one currently glowing?
slim juniper
I found that the Chiron Aspect can shine at ealier versions when you use it with Curses like Chill or Hangover, allowing you to stack em very quickly
trail helm
Apparently I don't have pact of punishment anymore and there's more things to unlock on my mirror
slim juniper
The Pact is on the exit window now
trail helm
You don't have to escape to enable it?
slim juniper
The first time after you escape it appears on the window, after that it'll let you choose if you want to use it or not
abstract fable
you choose aspects in the same way you choose weapons
after you unlock them with blood of course
you can change from any to any for free in the courtyard before you leave
the one currently glowing purple simply means picking that weapon will give you +20% darkness
tawny patio
@trail helm what do you mean by "don't have pact of punishment anymore"?
Is that even possible?
trail helm
Ah okay. Am I going to be able to get titan blood very easily or do I need to be able to escape regularly
It isn't where I remember it being. I haven't played in 6 months or so
abstract fable
you can get two blood per run from bosses, and you can buy a third from the final shop
you can also trade with the broker for it
tawny patio
Ah okay. Lots of things have changed.
trail helm
I thought I saw something about needing to increase the heat to get more
abstract fable
yeah you can only get blood/diamond/nectar if you are at a heat level you have not beaten yet
trail void
Time to farm darkness
ivory widget
How do I unlock the new weapon? Wiki says 8 keys but I have no idea where to spend them to get it.
sturdy elbow
its in the shop like normal
ivory widget
The shop?
slim juniper
The courtyard
ivory widget
Ok because I was gonna say it's not there
lucid sequoia
after a run it appears and it costs 8 keys
ivory widget
Can I start a run and immediately die?
neat pasture
hey guys, how do you learn to play lute?
wraith egret
@neat pasture You play it, a lot
neat pasture
Like, just click E many times?
wraith egret
Orpheus'll mention your progress
distant hearth
I did 5 before every run
eventually Orpheus says something
wraith egret
I saw some people mention 200 times for it to unlock?
wraith egret
"It's all practice"
slim juniper
"That was a sound!"
wraith egret
The nice touch is that it'll sound better the more you play it!
slim juniper
I know!!! It's so cool
wraith egret
Yeah at first I thought I was imagining things lol
stuck rover
Is there a way to turn off the hud?
stuck rover
Want to take a screenshot
knotty epoch
#hades-suggestions is closed for now
read the pins in #hades-feedback if you want to give feedback
dawn moth
oh okei thanks
brisk trail
So, I want to like the new weapon but I feel like I got dealt a really bad hand with boons this run. Doubt I'll even make it to Theseus. I'm guessing this weapon shines a bit more with defensive boons? My stuff is either offensive or an effect upon being hit (it's been an awful selection) and I'm having my behind handed to me.
sturdy elbow
the new weapon is a glass cannon for sure, makes yourself easy to get hit in return for high damage output
sturdy elbow
i prefer shield to fists but i can see how people would like it
daring harbor
I recently did a run with artemis boons and the kick upgrade, just spammed special and killed everything
sturdy elbow
adamant rail is also really good with the right upgrades
abstract fable
chaos shield though
brisk trail
I could see deflect on attack being really good, but I haven't seen a single athena boon.
abstract fable
you force a special build any run and you're already halfway to winning
abstract fable
never actually tried that myself
sturdy elbow
its really good with deflect
abstract fable
right now im trying to force zeus lightning build on zagreus fists
abstract fable
my thanks
need to test the malphon hammers for special too
some of them seem very interesting
brisk trail
Yeah, I haven't gotten any decent boons on my first fist run so far and it's honestly been one of my worst runs to date.
Maybe the worst.
daring harbor
the fists are pretty good with chill too
brisk trail
Well, hopefully next time they give me something other than effects upon being hit and like one special damage buff lol.
iron heron
Spear is still the weapon I'm best with I think
stuck comet
Is it just me, or are literally all the weapons in this game good
Not to mention, the daedalus upgrades for the sword fill in literally everything I could have ever wanted for the sword
meager jewel
I'm not actually that fond of the bow. It feels a lot less powerful than the other weapons.
The DPS is low due to its slow fire rate, and it doesn't pack the punch that some of the other weapons do.
stuck comet
I recently beat hades with the bow. You just gotta get a good set for the primary, getting two daedalus upgrades is nigh mandatory
brisk trail
I feel all the weapons have the potential to be good, given the right playstyle and boons/hammer upgrades.
warm elbow
Hera bow is one of the best burst in the game for me
stuck comet
I always give it autofire+double shot
warm elbow
The rail gun is the one i dont like
obsidian hill
Anyone able to confirm how to unlock the Arthur Aspect? It''s not appearing and googling it just gets me a load of contradictory info
stuck comet
The shield is wonky for me, but I love it
meager jewel
Captain america all day every day.
stuck comet
And look at spoiler tab @obsidian hill
warm elbow
Almost every weapon has one aspect that makes it top tier
pliant dagger
Check pins in #h1-story-discussion
stuck comet
We're talking about it atm
meager jewel
But, I'm probably best with sword or spear.
obsidian hill
Gotcha thanks folks
stuck comet
mhm
arctic hemlock
The prophecy "The fated saint of war" how do I unlock it? I already have the fourth aspect of varatha max level
I hope this is the correct place to ask
sturdy willow
Finally tried out the new patch - not a fan of the new boon icons, sword bug still not fixed. Otherwise fantastic as usual ❤️ Finally I can get some more hearts with best girl Artemis
deft gull
sword bug?
brisk trail
This game has to be trolling me. Second run with fists and I'm getting nothing but gems and darkness.
trail helm
What are the golden locked keepsake spots? Those didn't exist the last time I played
runic cliff
Companion slots
brisk trail
Had to buy one of my three boons with coin, and one boon was the starting boon. -_-
stuck comet
Hey, sometimes the starting boon is sick
brisk trail
It wasn't bad, but certainly wasn't the best either.
west chasm
Zagreus to Orpheus: "Hey, Orpheus mate. Have you ever heard of the time i crossed paths with this fella, a man of science named Rick. He, through his keen knowledge and will, turned himself into a pickle. He's Pickle Rick, pretty crazy, right? By far the most hilarious thing i have witnessed"
empty turtle
how do you get the last aspect for the sword? i beat the game 5 times since the update and it still hasnt shown up for me to get
flat vapor
there's a pin in #h1-story-discussion by a dev
brisk trail
Five times since the update? Damn. I haven't even beaten the game once. I get to the last boss nearly every time and only two or three of those times I actually got close to beating him.
Feelsbadman.
tall turtle
just wanted to ask, thers a song which is playing in one of the tartatus mini bosses which i dont think is on the hades ost, idk if its new it plays with the wavemaker fight does the song have a name?
idk if its a new song but ive only noticed it recently
twin hemlock
I've noticed since the last update some sound effects and a lot of voice lines are missing(mostly from the NPCs)
vague perch
I have Hades now c:
lucid sequoia
very nice
vague perch
I'm enjoying it a lot already so far
wanton cobalt
best combo I've found for the new weapon is stacking poseidon and zeus boons as much as you can
with poseidon for attack boon
fast attacks + combo for lightning strike on pushback + legendary poseidon + legendary zeus + jilted + rupture = final boss melted in 15 seconds
lucid sequoia
i got almost that
but with the special, with the ||hammer effect that makes you kick your way to the enemy||
wanton cobalt
I had that and never used it 😅
wanton cobalt
Honestly I'd love a channel for just posting victory screens to look at people's builds
lucid sequoia
oof i should've taken a screenshot
brisk trail
I don't suppose there is a way to reset titan's blood spent like there is for darkness?
wanton cobalt
fraid not
brisk trail
Oof.
stuck comet
Is it a spoiler to say that Excalibur is epic
stuck comet
But cmon dude
Extra health, animated zone special attack with less damage, custom death combo?!
Only thing it needs now is a charged primary
noble sage
I mean it kinda does have it
stuck comet
Kinda? You talking about the daedalus upgrade?
stuck comet
But it ain't like the spear's charged primary
latent summit
How do you go about unlocking the new sword?
stuck comet
Check the spoilers tab
lucid sequoia
pinned message on the spoiler channel
noble sage
play the game
lucid sequoia
and that also works
stuck comet
It's more specific than that though, plus you gotta be lucky that Nyx isn't dumb
Also, I got Nyx's speech for it when I died on purpose to the first zone lol
She was just like "Dude, you're bad. Let this thing carry you next time."
stuck comet
The glowing sword of death, which is holy but given to a creature of darkness
Makes sense
stuck comet
But the PRINCE of darkness is the one that uses it!
Little confused, but it's cool enough that I don't mind
noble sage
I mean Achilles thinks he's the god of blood so
more blood for the blood god I guess x3
stuck comet
I was JUST GONNA SAY THAT
noble sage
tidal hedge
Skulls for the skull throne
cunning yacht
do you ppl know if darkness gain increase with more heat ? from alrdy cleared floors i mean if u need to farm it for example
noble sage
don't think heat affects it
cunning yacht
i see
tidal hedge
my work is shutdown because of the corona so I get to play the update all day tomorrow
🙏
remote lily
My work is gas station, I dont like it at all now...
cunning yacht
corona virus is bringing ppl together
remote lily
its all the same as its station we care about the health overall anyway
but people are just mad
tidal hedge
you mean like customers ?
remote lily
yeach
noble sage
wretches
remote lily
there is just a few which take it easy
at least toilet is now cleaner than ever hahah 👍
tidal hedge
AHAHA
scarlet jolt
For chiron bow is shadow or fiery pressence better?
lucid sequoia
lol
dark glade
man I really hate the HP penalty on the guan yu spear
I like the entire rest of the moveset though, the slow attack feels fun
I don't get the point of the huge HP penalty, tho. For the most part getting the spin healing off is hardly possible either
scarlet jolt
Cant decide if initial dmg is worth or the chance of backstabbing special
jade grove
yeah, I feel like the health penalty is a strange one to have for GY
blissful monolith
Having an HP penalty when the aspect is built around life-stealing is strange
same with the one sword upgrade
jade grove
because it kind of contradicts the life leeching when enemies routinely get given attacks that can do more than 40 damage (lol final boss) with no Hard Labor
If we had no Hard Labor, I'd have said "more damage taken" would be a far better approach.
cunning yacht
@dark glade here is my suggestion and what i end up doing most time play with R instead
dark glade
R?
cunning yacht
specialy i rly love poseidon boons with R sniping them and slaming them on walls
jade grove
The main issue there is that the game's base damages on attacks aren't always really balanced for it though.
tidal hedge
I agree that Guan Yu is a bit awkward
cunning yacht
the special my bad
tidal hedge
you can get sneezed on and explode at the end of the game
Especially in a big pack of mobs or if you're inattentve
or against Hades' big spinny laser of doom
jade grove
Although, if it didn't reduce the max health from hearts, maybe it'd be a little less annoying
dark glade
hmmm
dark glade
Yeah I guess you can kite around with the special
but I feel like overall you're still handicapped
cunning yacht
with poseidon to see enemys slaming at walls over and over
jade grove
-50% to starting life, not -50% to final life, would just mean strategically giving up other bonuses for hearts
cunning yacht
its just hilarious
jade grove
I think that would be fair?
blissful monolith
I actually didn't have too much trouble beating the final boss with Guan Yu because of how much damage the charge attack does, but I have no desire to do it again any time soon now that I've done the prophecy
dark glade
if you do ever take damage, trying to heal it off is a nightmare
wheras in most normal runs you're hardly punished for taking occasional damage
jade grove
the more hearts you take, the less raw power you have.
because of how boons work in the math for room RNG
yellow laurels nerf your chance to get another set, because they increase blue laurel chance next round, and vice versa.
agile saddle
@blissful monolith Guan Yu spin was gutted into the ground. Beating final boss would be a nightmare now
jade grove
imo Guan and Cursed Slash not killing Heart bonuses would be fine
blissful monolith
I did it on the latest update, so YMMV
tidal hedge
Having a BIG HEART is important
dark glade
honestly, I'm fine with cursed slash
because you get so many attacks in
in a short amount of time
and it's a +2 per hit
cunning yacht
personaly i feel that u dont need more than 80 hp on guan yu
dark glade
you heal up near instantly I feel like
cunning yacht
maybe 100 if u want to be more safe
cunning yacht
and its very easy to get 100
dark glade
Well I think that's true if you're going special build
dark glade
tru
cunning yacht
dont get hit and all is good
dark glade
just git gud I guess :^)
jade grove
@dark glade Main issue is that you have not enough health to not be oneshot.
Final Boss can actually literally one hit that
jade grove
Unless you have >100HP in 70% off hearts
dark glade
health penalties are fine
but I think any of the things with health penalties should be around
20-40%
jade grove
Maybe the real issue is that some enemies simply do too much damage per hit?
tidal hedge
I never thought that an enemy did too much damage but I did think that sometimes the clarity of the fight wasn't the best due to the amount of enemy or color choice
jade grove
Not really, it scales up pretty quickly into oneshot on that heat
cunning yacht
i feel that most enemy dmg is quite ok
cunning yacht
hades dmg is big tho
cunning yacht
and the reason why u may loose a run with guan yu is mostly hades
jade grove
his big bombs do 75 or something insane
cunning yacht
super easy to avoid tho
dark glade
I think final boss doing big damage is fine. He's the final boss after all and usually I'm in there with way too much health and death defiance anyway
knotty epoch
65 to 95 or something like that
tidal hedge
I think Asterius's damage is okay because he is slow and designed to be a hulking juggernaut
Makes sense that his big axe would cleave you in half
dark glade
Yeah
knotty epoch
And they're not easy to avoid when they bounce off the pillars and you get nuked by something you couldn't predict
cunning yacht
i find that the only times i have a problem
tidal hedge
f the big bombs tho
cunning yacht
is when the luck isnt with me and i get nothing on the whole run to work with
dark glade
I'm literally fine with the damage numbers and difficulty throughout everything right now. It's literally just Guan Yu spear health penalty that I think is ridiculous.
jade grove
@dark glade My issue is just that it's single hit damage, not DPS.
cunning yacht
btw
jade grove
Doing massive DPS is a lot more fun to play around than one chunk attack that can kill you immediately
barring the uhhh
tidal hedge
I disagree
cunning yacht
is it just me that think the aspect of arthus +50 hp is too much ?
jade grove
Last Heat from hell mode
tidal hedge
I find it easier to dodge a big one chunk attack
I feel like it also encourages learning patterns
dark glade
well I think it's still fun because there's that feeling of your heart dropping when you get the big hit
jade grove
Asterius isn't that slow.
That's the issue too
The ones who do this kind of enormous burst damage are pretty damn fast
dark glade
and it makes it more tense because it's a check against making sure people actually dodge well
jade grove
asterius with that one bastard of an attack that has no tell lmao
tidal hedge
I find him to be the most predictable out of all other bosses 
jade grove
although he only really has 3 big issues I think
lucid sequoia
cause he slaps you hard
knotty epoch
Ah yes the most predictable when one of his attacks doesn't even have a tell
blissful monolith
Which attack are we talking about here?
dark glade
I've seen some other roguelites, not gonna name names, but I see people just blitzing through barely learning how to dodge things and winning just by dumping as much damage as fast as they could. Hades' design checks against that kinda gameplay.
tidal hedge
It doesn't have a tell, but it does have a timer
lucid sequoia
i think theseus is more predictable
jade grove
- his turning radius is insanely tight when he charges
- he has one attack that has no telegraph
- his white swing hits outside its VFX, it's actually larger
tidal hedge
Yeah screw that swing
jade grove
tested that last one lol.
tidal hedge
And the charge sucks
dark glade
Yeah I'll agree with the part about his VFX
blissful monolith
the charge is extremely annoying if you don't have a pillar nearby to dash through
dark glade
I think it looks smaller than it is
blissful monolith
it tracks way too well
tidal hedge
He just sends an invisible shockwave of energy
jade grove
Final Boss spin is sometimes a little bit screwy with the hitbox
tidal hedge
The secret is to dash through Asterius
cunning yacht
tbh i feel that the game the way it is its quite easy once u get accustomed even for ppl who arent very skilled on this gamestyle to reach far and i mean no offense by that but some ppl just arent that good at roguelike
dark glade
Well for me I've had no problem as long as I
jade grove
I've seen that spin hit with literally a few pixels width between Zagreus and the edge of the fx
dark glade
walk up to one of the pillars and dash to the other side of it
seems to work almost every time
Yeah you're right about the spin
tidal hedge
If you kill him fast enough he doesn't do the charge
jade grove
Most of the issues I guess have to do with inconsistent hitboxes
dark glade
though I've started just dodging inwards for the spin and timing the i-frames for it
jade grove
it is weird how dashing inward often feels more reliable than escaping
tidal hedge
The best thing would be to bait Asterius into goring Theseus with the charge
jade grove
LOL
YEAH
I remember those
Where he just goes KLONK and they're useless for the next second
blocks Theseus' crazy chariot too
agile saddle
Wish they would remove the large chariots from the game. They are incredibly busted if u are melee.
jade grove
lol yeah the chariots share Asterius' insane turning radius
agile saddle
They hit hard and have way to much health
jade grove
Oh, right.
Here's a real fun fact.
The energy wave under them when they charge lasts a little bit longer than they do.
If they die, they can still hit you like 3 times with that.
Because it lasts until the entire enemy fades out
agile saddle
Armored versions are so broken
tidal hedge
Yeah you have to run like a chicken
agile saddle
The little ones are w/e cause they kill themselves
lucid sequoia
i'd rather have 90% less move speed with a room full of big ones than a normal run with 2 little ones
i absolutely hate them
btw why do they make cat(?) sounds
knotty epoch
they're smaller versions of the big ones which are lions
knotty epoch
yeah they even roar
tidal hedge
lions
but this time with wheels
I can't help but imagine Demeter wielding the gloves and slapping everyone
jade crescent
in my opinion, broken spearpoint from patroclaus is by far the strongest keepsake. It gives you like a full 2 seconds after being hit before you can get hit again
lucid sequoia
slapping her dad ''out of history''
jade crescent
I don't fear the big chariots... although the little guys are hard to kill as melee before you're hit
lucid sequoia
exactly
tidal hedge
I agree that Spear is super useful, especially against hades's laser beam washing machine of doom
jade crescent
and it makes some of the laser/crystal based enemies a breeze
although at one point it got nerfed to have a 7s cooldown
sturdy willow
sword bug?
@deft gull On keyboard&mouse the Special doesn't follow the cursor, and it's annoying me to all hell...or tartarus in this case
knotty epoch
They're explained here: https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/hades-updates/
Under the major update's pact notes
jade crescent
thanks penguins
worthy dagger
Quick question. How does one unlock the administrative chamber in the house?
hidden geode
@worthy dagger you go through a flashback and then buy it from the contractor for three diamonds
lucid sequoia
Quick question. How does one unlock the administrative chamber in the house?
@worthy dagger on the bedroom you have to sleep
hidden geode
You have to be prompted though
hidden geode
I think it’s random
jade crescent
have you guys recently caught any enemies dying without you touching them? I assumed random projectiles had been throwing, but I'm using my sword on a fresh run and someone's body showed the dying animation before spawning and never appeared
lucid sequoia
it's bouldy
don't be fooled by his Absolute Unit of a body, he is a silent assassin
jade crescent
I wish I had ||companions||, I just finished ||killing skelly for the quest||... used like 5 hearts on the ||companion|| characters but I've only progressed ||skelly's story||
lucid sequoia
no
jade crescent
I couldn't get out of elysium with 9 minutes, i don't understand how speedrunners do it
lucid sequoia
i would put that on the spoilers tab lol
sinful berry
good point
tidal hedge
Put everything into spoilers imo even the first sentence kinda is