h1-discussion

[novel wasp]

she will take what she wants

she angy

[worthy egret]

Hello i just met Thanatos and I love him

[merry harbor]

you make good decisions and you're valid

[novel wasp]

lol

also why are gods always salty

i know they are extra salty in mythos but damn they guilt trippin

[worthy egret]

I love how they're always vaguing you about meeting a dif god before them

Its not like I had a CHOICE, ARTEMIS

disclaimer: i love artemis with my entire being

[novel wasp]

Artemis isnt that bad

but god Poseidon will nag you about it

and aphrodite will be pissy as well

aphrodite is like girl on high school who will dig out people's dirt for it

Aphrodite: So you are hanging out with Artemis again?
Zagreus: Aphrodite, its not what it looks like
Aphrodite: I won't hesitate, b love shotgun

[merry harbor]

Athena's chill about almost everyone, though, which is nice.

[novel wasp]

Ye athena is wholesome

[merry harbor]

The only conclusion I've gotten from their sniping is that no one really likes Ares aside from Demeter, which. Yeah

And Aphrodite I guess, but that just gets kinda weird.

[novel wasp]

wait demeter likes ares?

[jade grove]

Ares and Demeter? They need a duo named Cold War

[novel wasp]

Ares is just dumb war god lets be real

[merry harbor]

She mentions they share similar interests recently and he pretty much echoes the sentiment.

[novel wasp]

also that haircut

[merry harbor]

Like, in a weirdly complimentary manner by her standards.

[jade grove]

Interests: MMMMURDER? [excited Tisiphone noises]

[novel wasp]

i think she dislikes everyone though

@jade grove me when i have 225 hp against hades

[jade grove]

I've lost with 300 :c

[merry harbor]

Ow

[novel wasp]

I beat it

with the love of artemis and aphro

also demeter's cast and call is kinda suck

cast is because the laser focus is kinda... slow?

her call also have a problem, slow

the best call either goes to zeus or artemis, if you are using bow then poseidon or athena is your best friend

[hearty stratus]

Just finished my first run. 10/10

[novel wasp]

How do you feel

[hearty stratus]

I feel alive again

my life will be complete with ultra wide support though

[novel wasp]

what is that

[hearty stratus]

my ultra wide monitors has bars on the side because the game doesnt support the aspect ratio

16:9 is traditional mine are 16:10

[novel wasp]

one wide boi

[hearty stratus]

thicc

[novel wasp]

tbh i aint really a fan of big monitors

[brisk trail]

Isn't ultra-wide 22:9? 16:10 would be closer to a square.

I guess the ultra-wide aspect ratio could vary, but the idea is the disparity grows larger, not smaller.

[novel wasp]

despair

[nimble ether]

Yee beat my first run.

[brisk trail]

I got a 27-inch 5 years ago and I don't think I can go back to 24 for my primary.

Way to go!

[novel wasp]

congrats yee

whats the refresh rate

tbh with bigger resolution always comes with slower refresh rate

thats why i stay small

[brisk trail]

144hz, 1080p.

[novel wasp]

1080p is the real stuff bby

also 144hz is nice

[nimble ether]

Didnt have any super broken stuff, just doom on attack, doom stacks every time hit, railgun with faster attack and more capacity and damage ramp from continuous hitting, and some artemis arrows

[brisk trail]

I don't know if I want even higher refresh rate or more HD.

[novel wasp]

4k is not really worth it

at least to me

[brisk trail]

Maybe if I made way too much money.

[novel wasp]

thing is with 4k

[nimble ether]

@novel wasp if you can afford a 2080, might as well swing it

[novel wasp]

every icon on your desktop will be ultra small

[brisk trail]

Should we move to #off-topic-discussion?

[novel wasp]

@nimble ether rtx 2080 bbyyy

[hearty stratus]

mine are only 60hz

1440p

[nimble ether]

I'm on that 1080p 60 fps life

always been super happy with it

[hearty stratus]

I need a better cpu before i can worry about higher refresh

4 cores taking a beating

ryzen 1400

little guy

bottlenecks my gpu

sure I could squeeze more than 60fps on Hades TBH

[novel wasp]

60hz is already enough if you arent some sweaty tryhard

the gpu however since the 1060 is dropping price you can pick that up if you feel like it

the 10 series is really holding up rn

released for 5 years but still very much relevant

Eurydice be like 🎤 🌳 🎵 🎶

[remote lily]

I think that 27 inch is too much. I play all games in Window so it don't take all the screen

Would love to have 24 1080p 120/144hz

[terse axle]

was Premium Vintage nerfed sneakily?

it doesn't give a nectar now

[jade grove]

f10, prob bug

[lusty stump]

It should.

Gotten one yesterday and worked fine.

[terse axle]

i don't think i can upload images

but it just has the text "gives 1 nectar" removed

and it just doesn't give anymore

[jade grove]

F10 in game uploads it.

[terse axle]

oh interesting i didn't even know it was a feature

i can upload it but i think it's more likely it's upcoming change that was released prematurely ?

the text and the effect wouldn't just disappear

[jade grove]

I mean, someone else just got it to work

[uncut gazelle]

it kinda messes me up knowing that Zagreus and Skelly are voiced by the same person

[frail remnant]

what

[terse axle]

rick and morty are voiced by the same person

who cares

they are skilled enough

to make a differentiation

of their voices

[uncut gazelle]

Darren Korb does both

Also the dude what does Rick and Morty also voices Lemongab from AT and the time traveller from Gravity Falls

[opal mason]

So, I really like the rail, but the damage feels super weak and I feel like I'm not clearing rooms fast enough

[amber garden]

Bomb and cast are important. Have to mix it up.

[opal mason]

I was constantly, but I was spending way too long in each room by the time I hit Elysium.

[worthy egret]

You sacrifice some damage for the aoe maybe

You gotta play around that

[full fern]

So, I really like the rail, but the damage feels super weak and I feel like I'm not clearing rooms fast enough
@opal mason what aspect are you using? the bomb special is capable of dealing lots of raw damage

https://i.imgur.com/5iWulKr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/l4ouHgx.jpg

in that run, my railgun's dash hestia empowered (after a manual reload) shot deals 605 damage (before boiling blood and privilegded status)

the triple rocket bomb does 3 x 458 damage (before boiling blood and privilegded status) and it does 558 damage per shot if both boiling blood and privileged status is applied.

[opal mason]

Oh, I just use the base gun. I've yet to beat a run. The hestia aspect looks like it has a lot of downtime reloading though. Does it make that much difference?

Does hestia affect the special too?

[full fern]

hestia just affect the normal attack, not special

[opal mason]

Alright, don't you spend a lot of time reloading though?

[languid flax]

hi everyone

[tawny patio]

@opal mason If you haven't beat a run yet I suggest read some general guides on how to choose boons & upgrades to make a viable build. I can recommend this one to begin with: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1959997334

[mint night]

Does anyone feel good clearing with the sword? I can't for the life of me get used to it, especially special builds since I cancel so many specials when spamming attack.

[opal mason]

Oh, A lot of it is just I'm bad and have limited time to play. I have an 8 month old who is a handful

Thank you though

[serene obsidian]

@mint night I do a lot of clears with the sword mostly Posidon aspect now

[full fern]

Oh, A lot of it is just I'm bad and have limited time to play. I have an 8 month old who is a handful
@opal mason well i'm not very good either, as your kid gets older you may get more time to play though, my kids are 5+ and 3.5

[serene obsidian]

@mint night I find the sword is a lot of hit and run......do you have specific questions?

[opal mason]

Thanks, Deimos. Here's hoping. I had to drop all online games when he came, but he's a good kid.

[coral axle]

poseidon relies a lot on getting true shot setups and dodging

nemesis is more 'varied', and there are builds which usually ensure a guaranteed clear

and even if you get unlucky, if your dodging is on point, the 30% crit chance can carry you

poseidon runs vary from free wins with fully loaded + exit wounds + additional setups to just purely true shot

[opal mason]

Side question, eris aspect looks really good on paper, but how good is it actually?

[tawny patio]

It's my go-to aspect of the Rail. The damage bonus is pretty easy to apply and lasts for a decent duration

[livid cargo]

If you want to achieve pure gamer moment you take eris aspect and hazard bomb

[opal mason]

How much does hazard bomb damage you?

[empty ferry]

it's like 5 damage, i think, and minor hitstun

[patent umbra]

1%

[opal mason]

Thank you

[mint night]

@serene obsidian mostly just a question of how the sword feels, since i find myself cancelling my specials way too much

[uncut gazelle]

I
I just died to the final boss. Down to the very last bit of its health when it did the big lasers and I died
I-I completely forgot that I had a summon available

rip

[mint night]

everybody forgets summons

that's mostly why i haven't unlocked them yet... and swapped ambrosias for titan bloods

but in the end i still find sword gameplay tolerable... spear on the other hand though

[wind rover]

which is rarer, duo boons or legendary boons?

asking cause i got both and it just so happens that both are on my fate's to-do list

[warm oak]

Going anecdotally as well, they seem to appear relatively consistently once the conditions are met.

[wind rover]

aight thanke

so the boon i got is second wave, and i also have rupture on my build
does it apply rupture twice then?

[vagrant crag]

@wind rover , I'd reckon that rupture only applies once (unless you mean "does it refresh the countdown timer on it?", in which case, I'm not sure. I'd like to think so though)

[wind rover]

[vagrant crag]

Another question I have similar in nature is Dio's Drunk effect.

If you get it on your left-click, say, each instance will tick at 5 (every 0.5); but i often get a higher rarity peer pressure, the Peer Pressure says each tick it inflicts will inflict more DPS (say 10 every 0.5); so I wonder I'd the game can keep track of the individual instances being applied; either by Peer Pressure or by Left Click

[serene obsidian]

@mint night - how are you using your specials? Most of the time I'm dashing in dropping it and dashing back out.....

[mint night]

i dash in and try to special but too often i left click to attack too early

and it ends up cancelling the special

[serene obsidian]

Hmmm what kind of boobs are you taking on your special?

[mint night]

i tried poseidon's for a bit

his boons, not boobs

maybe it's just a playstyle difference

[vagrant crag]

Additional theory crafting:
Assuming you have
-Dionysus' Heroic Call (16 hangover damage)
-||Scintilating Feast (festive fog periodic 80 damage via lightning)|| [might be tough to work in this as a duo]
-Heartbreaker (just to apply weak)
-Low tolerance (add 3 more hangover stacks)
-Blackout (Festive Fog = 100% more damage)
-Numbing Sensation (Slow hungover)
-Sweet Surrender (more susceptible to damage)
-Killing Freeze (slow/dot/ req for legendary)
-Froststrike/flourish (required for legendary)
-winter harvest (shatter at 10% hp)

I'm sure someone smarter than I has already crunched the numbers and it's been a hot minute since I've gone against the bull with Dio's call to confirm stacking DOT on after he gives up at 20% hp

I just want to know if its theoretically feasible to DOT him down from 2800 (20% hp) to 1400 (10% hp) after the brief invuln and before he leaves the arena

What'd be swell is a 'test build' room where you could just check the interaction between some boons / daedalus effects; as plenty of people have pointed out that Support fire only procs from the first instance of damage (which I've confirmed with extensive testing on Zeus Shield Special, Guan Yu spin, Bow Special, etc). ||though I've yet to test it with Shotgun rail, which my friend reported as sending off a shotgun blast of support fire arrows. If this is the case, then I could try and logic it out as saying "each instance of damage directly from the weapon," but cant quite justify why it wouldnt apply for bow special (i.e. [spear bounce/shield throw] will only proc 1 support fire arrow, as there is only one instance of 'attack' regardless of number of bounces/hits; but bow has multiple instances of attack originating from the weapon itself)

Granted, this leads into wanting a slight rewording for the description of the boon
After you hit with an Attack, Cast or Special, fire a seeking arrow. to something more descriptive of [however the game devs intend for the boon to work]

[serene obsidian]

@mint night lol silly phone autocorrect - so if your using Posidon you've got the knockback....that kinda makes it defensive so you won't use it as much maybe your trying to use it to much? The only time I'm big on using it agressivly is if it's applying doom or weak

[ocean kayak]

@zealous timber could you PM me when you have a minute?

[indigo mango]

@vagrant crag ive seen it happen

i dont know the build off the top of my head but it was on the subreddit not too long ago

someone killing Asterius on his way out the door with winter harvest

[knotty epoch]

you don't really need a specific build

literally any burst to get him down to 10% with winter harvest will kill him

[indigo mango]

we're specifically talking about miniboss Asterius

usually the fight ends at ~20%

[brisk trail]

25%.

[indigo mango]

so ~20% :P

[knotty epoch]

i am aware of this

[novel wasp]

One day I will nuke that bull alive

[brisk trail]

Just run Cluster Rockets before they get nerfed.

[knotty epoch]

that doesn't change that if you get it close but burst it down with say a companion you'll kill him

[novel wasp]

i mean it still take me hella long unless I have like artemis call

also i hate how shield works in this game

[brisk trail]

Does killing Asterius in the miniboss fight even do anything?

[knotty epoch]

no lmao

it's just silly

[novel wasp]

theseus can hide behind his shield forever, and not even any aoe modified (unless its blade rift) could proc against theseus

nope, not even Gun Q

or Dionysus cast

BRUH

[brisk trail]

Really wish non-backstab AoE attacks (like Bombard or Trippy Shot) would pierce shields.

[novel wasp]

^^^^

I want to love shotgun this lil snitch

it contains all the aphrodite's salt and rage

[knotty epoch]

the aerial attacks at the very least should always pierce a shield

[brisk trail]

Honestly, I think Greatshields are one of the prime reasons True Shot is used with on Poseidon Aspect.

[novel wasp]

also can we have a bot so we can fact check every gods' boon

by using commands

i mean slay the spire has their own why not on hades server as well

[indigo mango]

the first time i found out piercing shot worked against theseus

i cackled

[novel wasp]

in your opinion which cast is the best

[brisk trail]

Hunting Blades, followed by True Shot, then Ice Wine/Scintillating Feast Trippy Shot.

[novel wasp]

I personally prefer aphrodite, simple, doesnt stuck, high damage

also may i say the support fire is super meme when combined with a weapon that is capable to rapidfire aka its not BOW

[tawny patio]

IIRC Aphrodite's cast definitely gets a Bloodstone stuck in the target

[novel wasp]

it can

but again, it deals a butt ton of damage

[elfin ferry]

It's hit or miss in my experience if the bloodstone stiks or not.

[novel wasp]

yeah that too

[tawny patio]

That's... strange

[novel wasp]

sometimes i could just damage them and immediately pick them up

then keep love shotgunning them

[elfin ferry]

I think Poseidon's cast is overlooked as a top cast.

[novel wasp]

it knocks ppl back yeah?

[elfin ferry]

It's main strength is it's massive AOE.

[novel wasp]

i think its just dionysus knockoff

but can get the stone back faster

[elfin ferry]

It does need some support to be top tier though.

[novel wasp]

since dionysus still lingers for a while

[knotty epoch]

poseidon's cast is insanely strong with the dem duo

it's way too slow for me to be comfortable with it though

[elfin ferry]

I like base Poseidon better than base Dio.
But nothing beats Scinilating Feast.

[novel wasp]

same

since i am a spear spammer

cast is more like my secondary

for bow/gun main tho i think cast for them is extremely crucial so /shrug

[indigo mango]

@elfin ferry poseidon sword cast is currently the world record holder for speedrunning hades, so at least some of us arent overlooking it :P

[novel wasp]

demeter's cast is eh

a lil slow but im sure with bows it could make a good use of it

[indigo mango]

oh wait

you mean his boon cast

[elfin ferry]

@indigo mango I'm refering to Poseidon's cast boon not the...

[indigo mango]

yeah

[elfin ferry]

.....Yes

[indigo mango]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elfin ferry]

Curse that Aspect name.

[indigo mango]

sorry

[novel wasp]

anyway debate your fav god

[modern garnet]

Hermes please

[elfin ferry]

All in all?

[modern garnet]

Gimme one hundred dashes in a row

[novel wasp]

Amazon Prime Boy

lol i despise hermes

everytime i see him i wish it was artemis

also may i say its odd I guess to see hermes being younger than dionysus in the game's take

even though dionysus is actually the youngest among all olympians

also great they didnt put the dumb hat hermes has and i love it

[elfin ferry]

Two ways to look at it from a boon perspective, is who's favorite if you get all their boons vs who's great even with just a few.

[modern garnet]

Haha would dionysus even be old enough to drink?

[novel wasp]

@modern garnet oh he is

he is also old enough to even lead a cult too

also idk but can anyone confirm that dionysus will comment on your orpheus related item (distant memory) if you equipped

since his cult was responsible for murdering orpheus

[agile saddle]

Dio has zag pull a prank on Orph

[elfin ferry]

Dio = best lines when trying to murder you

[novel wasp]

im not mad

im just disappointed

that sums up dionysus

[plush pike]

I think that hurts even more

[agile saddle]

Hermes boons are all about utility

[novel wasp]

tbh i wish to see a god lash out

[agile saddle]

Also +30% attack speed is huge for certain weapons

[novel wasp]

anyone really

also does this game remember how many times did you disappoint a god

cause aphrodite threw a line of "i thought we have made this clear..." to me and im like

BUT MOM DEMETER'S TRIAL IS HARDER

[agile saddle]

Poseidon and Artemis probably have the most boring lines in the game though Poseidon makes a "and I oop" reference which is everything.

[vagrant crag]

@knotty epoch , I guess I could see nuking down Asterius with a high instant damage call, (so what, like, Maxed out Aphrodite or Artemis? Maybe the DOT of Zeus)

And cool @indigo mango , I dont pay as much attention to the reddit as I should

[brisk trail]

Not between runs, but I remember reading that snubbing a god twice will make them give you reduced rarity boons for the rest of the run.

[novel wasp]

oh really?

no wonder why when i see when i finish their trial the boon is always white

[agile saddle]

@vagrant crag I mean you can't one-shot any boss in the game I wouldn't waste a call on Asterius anyways. He's the easier one.

[novel wasp]

also artemis is probably the most forgiving god among all when it comes to trial

she just wanna test you lol

poseidon is just that really affectionate uncle really

[vagrant crag]

@agile saddle , we were specifically talking about just solo Asterius, and whether you can get the 10% instakill on him

[agile saddle]

I mean doesn't he tap out before 10%?

[vocal thorn]

^

[vagrant crag]

Yeah, hence why I was theory crafting how to do it earlier

Tldr; its possible

[novel wasp]

im sure the game will apply a invulnerable shield anyway

dk if its a hidden achievement though if you did it

[vagrant crag]

But I was wondering how to do it around the invuln Shield instance, someone said that someone on the subreddit posted a video of them managing it; someone else said you just need to nuke Asterius before he taps out (if I read then correctly)

[vocal thorn]

Poseidon sword is so buggy that it’s garbage with some of the casts. If you aren’t restarting for a perfect game seed, then it’s better to ignore it

[brisk trail]

Hard disagree.

[vagrant crag]

@vocal thorn , just force gods to show up with their trinkets... Unless you're running with 20+ heat or something and need some sort of special combo, I reckon you should be able to work with anything

[vocal thorn]

Sure, have fun with Aphrodite casts bugging through walls, and Zeus casts randomly bouncing way into deep lava

[brisk trail]

All Poseidon does is boost damage and force them to drop, Hera's the one that will get stuff stuck through walls.

Zeus's Cast does that, it's not tied to Aspect of Poseidon.

[vagrant crag]

If it bounces deep into lava: get gud Hermes and dash your way to victory

[vocal thorn]

It’s why I don’t like cast weapons

[novel wasp]

Love Shotgun Love Shotgun

[brisk trail]

Sorry, I guess.

[vagrant crag]

I'm not saying it doesnt suck that lava can hit as hard as it does, but it's just part of the game yo

If you cant do caster, dont

[novel wasp]

same

[vagrant crag]

Or get Hermes legendary

[vocal thorn]

Or when I cast is embedded in a jumping monster, and it jumps way off screen and dies, and now your cast crystal is ???

[novel wasp]

i actually sometimes just forgot to use my cast because i was on a chaos boon curse earlier lol

[vagrant crag]

Or get broken spearpoint and take a tick of damage and be invuln long enough to pick them up

[novel wasp]

and then i realized oh it worn off

[vagrant crag]

Theres ways around lava being the PITA it is

[vocal thorn]

Yes; speed running has the Hermes legendary, because it fixes the issues. But that’s like 5-10% of games?

[novel wasp]

what can i say, i destroy literally everything with spear kirbo xd

[vagrant crag]

If you could control the way every game went perfectly, it wouldnt be a roguelike

[agile saddle]

I've never once had casts go out of bounds and my most used weapon is Hera bow

[vagrant crag]

Gotta improvise, adapt, overcome

[novel wasp]

until im like why am i dealing suboptimal damage then i saw bloodstone 3/3 im like bruh

^

tbh some bugs will get fixed later

but one fun part of roguelike is to either 1. come around bug

2. abuse the bug

[agile saddle]

I wouldn't consider going in lava out of bounds because lava is treated like a trap so just like if you're cast landed on a spike or in front of a statue

[vagrant crag]

And yeah, I had fun with Guan Yu Spiral Cut Salami Spam, but then saw just how ludicrous exploding spears can be for critting at like 3k apiece @novel wasp

[novel wasp]

I use hades

mainly for the spin mark

[brisk trail]

Moon Cutter is safer, Fireworks Skewer is faster.

[agile saddle]

Guan Yu spear is broken it's so easy mode

[novel wasp]

i havent got it

oof

how do i get it

[vagrant crag]

Be friends with Achillies

[brisk trail]

Aspect of Hades with Deadly Strike, Hunter Dash, Serrated Edge, and Epic Greatest Reflex.

[novel wasp]

ah ok no problem with that

[agile saddle]

And then at some point he'll talk to you about the spear and then when you go you can unlock it

[novel wasp]

Oh yeah

[agile saddle]

I think you need to have at least one extra aspect unlocked but some people say you don't

[novel wasp]

Spear + love shotgun = Doom Eternal greek edition

JUST KEEP DASHING

[agile saddle]

I mean using the guan yu spear at first is jarring because it's attack chain is super slow and it's spin attack is so different plus your HP pool is super low but then once you find out how good it is I can't go back to using any other spear

[hidden geyser]

The Guan Yu aspect felt random for me because it just appeared on a run where i willingly died, so idk what triggers it

[novel wasp]

@agile saddle i cant go back to use zag aspect spear

for hades level 1 is literal upgrade of it

[agile saddle]

Though I wouldn't use guan yu spear under max level because 50% HP

[novel wasp]

I like how they are like

[brisk trail]

I wouldn't say Hades is a direct upgrade of Zag.

[novel wasp]

"yeah there are a lot of greek god but we dont know what kind of god we are gonna put here."

"oh yeah lets put this famous chinese figure down, def relevant"

[brisk trail]

Well, I think with the fourth Aspects they're not going Greek, they're branching out into other mythologies/histories.

[agile saddle]

It would be cool if the final aspects of all the weapons were gods from other pantheons. Like Egyptian, Japanese, Norse

[brisk trail]

Guan Yu was a real person.

[novel wasp]

let the sword become a giant kitchen knife and call it the aspect of household wife for how garbage it is in heat mode

[vagrant crag]

@novel wasp , if gods were real, who's to say they didnt help mortals outside of Greece?

[brisk trail]

Hang on, Fade, I've got a clear screen you want to see.

[novel wasp]

@brisk trail i never said he wasnt shush

i just said famous figure

[brisk trail]

I was talking to Gerty.

[agile saddle]

Nemesis sword is one of the strongest aspects in the game because crit is broken

[brisk trail]

https://i.imgur.com/mKfRj0a.png

[novel wasp]

he is being revered as a god i might say btw

[vagrant crag]

@agile saddle I've not upgraded it at all but I've been waiting till I have it fully ready to go before I give it a try; cant figure out what I'd want to pair it with though

[brisk trail]

Shadow Slash is actually suboptimal, it doesn't boost the Dash Attack.

[agile saddle]

@vagrant crag pair it with?

[vagrant crag]

Yeah, boon-wise @agile saddle

[novel wasp]

but my jabs are increased damage

[agile saddle]

I mean you can't choose but crit is obviously the best stat in the game

[novel wasp]

also it just keeps proccing as long as you attack the same target

i think

[brisk trail]

Oh, Aspect of Hades?

[novel wasp]

yeah

[agile saddle]

Also an aspect like Zeus for your attack will constantly proc during the spin since it hits multiple times

[brisk trail]

Punishing Sweep lasts ten seconds.

[vagrant crag]

😥 why do people act like you cant influence the game to give you a left click that youd like?

But yeah, to maximize crit usefulness, I reckon a static damage+ would be good boon

[novel wasp]

its okay unless its a boss i destroy things under 10 seconds

[agile saddle]

I mean you can take a god keepsake but I never have

[novel wasp]

tbh i havent been able to get myself use zag aspect even tho i have titanblood for it

also consider when it procs even with a small sweep i think thats all i need

[vagrant crag]

@agile saddle what do you main as a keepsake then? I do agree it can be good to just buff either dodge / attack, but the inconvenience of having an otherwise useless boon isnt too bad if you can guarantee a viable build

[agile saddle]

I run Chaos egg in Tartarus and sometimes asphodel otherwise I usually run bracer for the damage reduction since I'm on high heat. Also throw away boons are good because I have the heat for selling a boon at the end of each level

[novel wasp]

ok idk if this is affecting my run but is throwing boons necessary each time it offers you the option to

ive never thrown my boons

[vagrant crag]

I still want to see a buff to attack modifyers for things like the bow. If I'm shooting out 11 special arrows with an upgraded Charon bow, I wanna shoot down 11 bolts of lightning with a Zeus boon.

Tfw one lightning bolt

[agile saddle]

I only run Hera bow. If you get a good cast it does so much damage

[vagrant crag]

If my spear chuck can crit for 3k, why cant a casual Q do the same?

Yeah, Hera is consistent, because you know what you're getting from boon interactions; Charon is kinda up to the whim of game devs

[novel wasp]

how do you bow

[agile saddle]

I hate the bow special I never use it

[novel wasp]

im struggling with bow rn

same gerty

[agile saddle]

It has a long animation and it's damages terrible unless you shotgun the hits

[vagrant crag]

I'm a fan of status effects, so I tried to cheese with the Zag bow at first (literally starting the game), and then Charon is now my favorite

[novel wasp]

unless you have like athena deflect which literally turns it into cone of protection

i think im unbining my Q on bow

[agile saddle]

I'll use special on Bow if I get Ares like epic or higher just because that kind of burst helps

[novel wasp]

ive heard from someone that ares charon

spreading doom everywhere with homing missiles

[vagrant crag]

Ares charon is alright, but not nearly good enough

I've tested nearly every combo

[novel wasp]

whats the best for charon

[brisk trail]

Chiron.

[novel wasp]

tbh my grudge with bow is that not every arrow in Q procs

if it procs the support fire for every arrow i would go OOOOO

[brisk trail]

I like Artemis the most, it's very effective with Aphrodite if you have her Legendary.

[agile saddle]

I mean Aphrodite legendary is broken as you can charm lock any boss

[patent umbra]

Demeter and her chillsplosion works well

[vagrant crag]

Yeah; you can have
demeter explosion on 10 hits (pretty steady damage)
Ares stacking - 230 damage nuke (land 2 volleys)
Poseidon- no noticable knockback

[novel wasp]

demeter and her zawarudo

[vocal thorn]

I like the zag bow the best. Chiron damage can be a bit lacking in rooms with lots of monsters

[brisk trail]

Agreed.

[novel wasp]

wait chiron bow has reduced damage?

[vocal thorn]

And you aren’t wasting time babysitting cast crystals

[patent umbra]

7 max arrows from 9 base

[brisk trail]

And it has trouble with crowds. The Special arrows, your main damage, don't pierce.

[vocal thorn]

Chiron bow is so single target oriented, that if you have +monster number per room, that it stills to take a long time to clear those rooms

[novel wasp]

oh ok

hmm'

[vagrant crag]

I guess the only one ive not tried is Artemis Special on Q, but then again I've heard good things

[vocal thorn]

Upgrading the single target special, means your multi-target attack suffers

[novel wasp]

artemis call is god

[vagrant crag]

Because yeah, it's definitely single target focused, but you're better off nuking single targets with Hera Bow, ironically enough

[brisk trail]

Eeehh.

[vagrant crag]

Though you can also pair up Aphro Left Click, and Dio Special; get 8 stacks of what, like 11 damage every 0.5 sec?

[brisk trail]

I hear enough about Trippy Shot that I think Hera's better for groups.

[vagrant crag]

(The joke here is that heras probably better off for both groups and individual targets)

[brisk trail]

See, I like doing that with Deadly Flourish and Heart Rend.

[vagrant crag]

Because they refuse to give Chiron/Charon the love it deserves

[brisk trail]

Oh, no way, Chiron is one of the best single target options in the game.

[novel wasp]

Chacharon

[brisk trail]

Chachacharrotchake

Alright, I'm done.

[vocal thorn]

I’d rather use zag bow when I have tight deadline. Things like trippy shot means you have to eventually dash all the way back to pick things up, so you can’t just quickly go from monster to monster and gogogogo

[novel wasp]

just look at charon dancing over your corpse while raining in obol

[vagrant crag]

If you can prove to me that Apro's legendary tries the 15% proc of Charm on every single instance of damage from a special Q, then I'd be inclined to say "yeh, just perma-charm a boss"

[novel wasp]

because your dumb and didnt spend the last 450 coins onto the last shop, instead for that skull marked blessing with 5 hp

[vagrant crag]

But still, nowhere near silly as it should be, shooting off 11x45 damage per Q with a Zeus Bolt

[novel wasp]

which happened to me and im having brain trauma from it

[alpine mural]

is there something specific i need to do in order to progress past megaera's locked heart?

[novel wasp]

give her some of dat ambrosia

[vagrant crag]

@alpine mural , sometimes progress is locked because you've not talked with them enough

[novel wasp]

assuming you maxed out her nectar

[brisk trail]

Are you beating Meg whenever she shows up?

[alpine mural]

just though about this

[brisk trail]

If they're at the locked heart, Nectar is maxed.

You might need to be playing with Extreme Measures.

[alpine mural]

nvm was thinking the extra technique pact was doing something maybe

[vagrant crag]

I think she finds it endearing that you want to be punished; it's a good flirting talking point

[novel wasp]

Me: hard earned keys from each run
Also me: LeTs SpEnD iT oN sOmE nEcTaR fOr ThAnAtOs

[alpine mural]

hm so if i have gone through about 5-10 runs with level 3 extreme measures and gotten no new dialogue with her?

and no i have not lost to the furies since my 5th run

[crimson void]

Not like there's anything else to do with keys after a while

[vocal thorn]

It’s RNG, it might take 30 more games

[alpine mural]

yikes

[novel wasp]

@crimson void i still have a lot of unlocks for the mirror

but my egghead just wants to give everyone some sweet stuff

[crimson void]

Lmao

[alpine mural]

@novel wasp just focus on one or two people for now

[novel wasp]

i cant im santa zagreus

[vagrant crag]

-dusa has locked hearts till after you spruce up the lounge more; maybe you need to put at least a little bit of work into the house/room? @alpine mural

[alpine mural]

and if you get the gem upgrade for nectar you should be aiming for nectar whenever you can in a run

[crimson void]

Mirror unlocks are a faster power spike than romance

[novel wasp]

i literally wear red

as santa

i want meg to stop shoving me around jfc

[alpine mural]

@vagrant crag the only house unlocks I have left cost over 600 gems each

[novel wasp]

and thanatos stop being a tsundere 200% of the time

[vagrant flint]

Can there be fishing spots on the last boss' arena?

[alpine mural]

um iv'e never seen it and I would say I highly doubt it but then again I have seen gold urns in the last boss arena

so maybe

[novel wasp]

also grandma extra happy when i give her nectar

too bad she doesnt know im her grandson

[alpine mural]

grandma? demeter?

[novel wasp]

yea

[alpine mural]

cause old

[novel wasp]

you are technically her grandson

since persephone is your mom

[alpine mural]

sh

[novel wasp]

and demeter's daughter is persephone

[alpine mural]

shh

[brisk trail]

I don't think that's spoilers.

But I could be wrong.

[novel wasp]

yeah

its literally in the illad

go read it

[alpine mural]

"illad"?

[novel wasp]

illiad

thanks grammar corrector

[alpine mural]

what mean

[vocal thorn]

Like, the most important Greek mythology work that ever existed

[novel wasp]

^

lol

[alpine mural]

wait so Zagreus is an actual god?

[novel wasp]

took you 30 runs and several heat mode to notice?

damn

[alpine mural]

i mean in mythology

...

[novel wasp]

zagreus is actually a lost god

if you are curious

it has a lot of similarity to dionysus

but whether its greek's or not

[alpine mural]

I thought his whole story was unique to this game

[novel wasp]

its unknown due to you know, super old

the story is unique to the game, the name has a source

[vagrant crag]

Theres like two vases that depict Zag, so we had historians fill in the blanks; it's pretty funny

[vocal thorn]

The game developers changed a lot of things, to make the game more modern, so who knows what their actual interpretation of zag actually is

[alpine mural]

hm ok

[vocal thorn]

He might turn out to be a god of blood

[vagrant crag]

It's why the joke between Zag, Dio, and Orpheus is so funny

[novel wasp]

Hades is just kratos 2

[alpine mural]

yea now i get it more

[novel wasp]

in the game

[vocal thorn]

Cast crystals are really him flinging his blood around. One of the other characters even complains about it

[alpine mural]

whats up with orpheus btw. he's more gullible than a kid that actually gets in the van

[vagrant crag]

Yeh, and because its game design, and greek mythos is so open to interpretation and adaptation, that can literally do whatever they want; more power to em

Just look at Lore Olympus

[novel wasp]

he and eurydice are husband and wife

[alpine mural]

i knew that just why so gullible

[novel wasp]

basically eurydice dies

and then orpheus goes down to hell and wanting to save her

unlike most media depiction, hades is actually a pretty chill god

[vagrant crag]

Hes earnest of heart; and zag would never lie, so Orpheus just does a good job for a friend he trusts @alpine mural

[alpine mural]

I have heard next to all of the information they would give me in game

[novel wasp]

and him and persephone gave him a chance to save eurydice

[alpine mural]

@vagrant crag ok fair

[novel wasp]

basically just take eurydice soul go up to the hell but with 1 rule

[vagrant crag]

Because as far as Orpheus knows, Zag is just being humble when he tries to backtrack

[novel wasp]

dont look at her

but then orpheus is an egghead and do what exactly he wasnt supposed to

and eurydice is go back to the rabbit hell hole again

basicalled he f up

[alpine mural]

wait go up to hell? did you mean back to the surface?

[vagrant crag]

Hades: dont look at her
Orpheus: 👀

[novel wasp]

yeah surface

sorry

im sleepy

its 3 am here

[brisk trail]

It's important to note that he was almost at the entrance when he turned around.

[alpine mural]

why would they force a man in love to not look at said person in order for them to come back to life?

[novel wasp]

Because thats the rule

[alpine mural]

ohhh

[brisk trail]

Because the gods are capricious and cruel.

[novel wasp]

@brisk trail actually hades gave him a chance

[alpine mural]

wait was it only don't look at her while in the underworld or ever

[novel wasp]

or rather, persephone, hades is just doesnt want to disappoint his gurl

[vagrant crag]

Such a bummer man; if you're gonna look, do it starting out; if you're gonna wait till the end, just wait till you cross the threshold. Either you got played all along, or you'll play yourself; either way, one is certain failure

[novel wasp]

also i think is that once you saw one dead soul they arent coming back

[brisk trail]

I know.

[alpine mural]

ok so it was just don't look at her in the underworld?

[novel wasp]

yeah, just dont look at her, and orpheus does the pro gamer move

[brisk trail]

Yeah, while he was leaving he couldn't look back to see her.

[vagrant crag]

And she couldnt make sound to say she was there

[alpine mural]

coming from his perspective I guess I would maybe worry I was bringing anyone back at all

[novel wasp]

yeah he is

[vagrant crag]

Yeah, it's a bummer man

[novel wasp]

thing is that he doesnt trust hades much

i mean his job is god damn scary

[vagrant crag]

Hope the game devs let us ||bring em together again||

[alpine mural]

well did hades not diserve that reputation?

[novel wasp]

hades doesnt deserve that reputation

[vagrant crag]

Hades is a baller god as far as gods go

[novel wasp]

consider other gods f up even more people that ive ever seen

[vagrant crag]

Only kidnapped one person, for the mostpart

And even then, was kind about it

[novel wasp]

hades and persephone too, have probably the most stable relationship as far as gods go

[vagrant crag]

The rest is just managing logistics and such

[novel wasp]

he did f up 2 person tho

but its because they deserved it

[alpine mural]

How about Athena (outside of the whole medusa debacle)

[vagrant crag]

Unlike Zeus who's going around screwing everything

[novel wasp]

perseus, and theseus, going on their merry way want to marry persephone

do you think hades would let them do that?

perseus at the end got released by heracles in the middle of his labor, but hades insist that theseus stay

[alpine mural]

lets not forget that in the lore Persephone is essentially a hostage to hades

[novel wasp]

thats why you see theseus as a boss in game

also theseus was the guy who suggest to want to get laid with persephone so it makes sense that hades wants him to never go away

also lets not gonna mention cerberus literally translated to the spotted

this dude, named his dog spotty

[vagrant crag]

@alpine mural , only one hostage though;

Again, no god was perfect, you just have to tal5e what you can get with them

Better than turning yourself into a cow/snake/woman and going around impregnating all of Athens

[novel wasp]

@alpine mural consider zeus and poseidon prob kidnap even more, at those standard, hades is already good enough

also 1 consort, thats it

poseidon has more

zeus has even more

7% of the greek population is probably zeus

god i need to sleep arent i

[alpine mural]

ok so because Hades isn't AS bad as the rest of the gods. he is trustworthy?

[novel wasp]

infact he is

also athena isnt bad really, consider watching your uncle having fun at your temple thats some weird sight to see

[alpine mural]

I honestly don't think any of the gods in greek mythology are trust worthy

[vagrant crag]

Yeh, that's what orpheus thought too

[novel wasp]

yeah but hades is actually probably the best god that doesnt deserve to have a bad name from his job

[vagrant crag]

And you can argue you shouldnt trust em because theyll win by playing within their rules (its arguable that Hades knew Orpheus would look), but oh well

At least Hades will tell you hes about to slap you before he does so

[serene obsidian]

Posidon is responsible for asterius and dusa ...he definitely wins worst god

[brisk trail]

I believe it's "canon" that Hades would have let Eurydice go if Orpheus hadn't turned around.

That one is just on Orpheus.

[novel wasp]

also when it comes to trustworthy, hades has another case back up for his credibility

[serene obsidian]

It totally is ...he looked to soon he was out but she wasn't

[brisk trail]

||It's why Eurydice is so bitter about him when you first meet her.||

[novel wasp]

he lets heracle to get cerber out of hell for one of his labor, if he doesnt use weapon

infact, he does

orpheus is just doing some pro gamer move and epically failed

tho in this game iteration hades is not very chill

tho he loves his dog, thats canon

[alpine mural]

@serene obsidian posidon may have taken the person who became medusa but it was athena that said your to blame and did the transformation

[serene obsidian]

Has anyone gotten dialog for Athena or Posidon related to Dusa?

[vagrant crag]

I'd argue Hades is still chill in this game; just with an unruly teenage son

[novel wasp]

@alpine mural Athena actually was going to use the spell in order to make her getting less wooed by other gods or mortals

[serene obsidian]

Yeah he defiled her Temple she can't punish him

[vagrant crag]

||I like how the father-son banter gets more friendly/jest-y as you start beating Hades more often||

[novel wasp]

Yep. also not gonna mention seeing your uncle having fun in your temple is just pure weird sight to see

@vagrant crag|| i need to beat hades quick||

i havent

also i like how zag and his dad argued about the dog, god it reminds me of my late pet dog

[brisk trail]

||I wouldn't say it ever gets friendly or jest-y. Maybe in the House, but it's pretty tension-filled every time on the surface.||

[knotty epoch]

reminder that that's a spoiler

[novel wasp]

@brisk trail ||when i first saw the dialogue i thought hes trying to understand why his son is so obsessed with the concept of going surface||

[brisk trail]

||He knows why, he's just trying to stop Zag and I want to know why.||

[fringe lynx]

anybody have any advice for builds to beat the game?

[novel wasp]

||Like he said the wind is more moving around compared to the stillness and said i guess you prefer it that way like someone who starts to understand someone||

[vagrant crag]

@brisk trail ||it can be tough to pay attention while actually fighting, but during combat on the surface, they sometimes do the equivalent of "you're stinky. You're bad. No you. No you. I'm better at fighting than you. Pft, as if. I have the high ground Anakin"... it's not super direct humor, but it's just witty retorts between two combatants who know theyll be doing this again||

[fringe lynx]

I'm notoriously bad at this style of game, and I'm really struggling

[knotty epoch]

take athena dash

[novel wasp]

@vagrant crag ||ah s here we go again humor when supergiant||

[vagrant crag]

@fringe lynx , it will get easier as you pick up the mirror upgrades

[alpine mural]

@fringe lynx build for your weapon. high attack speed does not work well with low damage frequency abilities. ex: sword doesn't work well with doom, poison (dionysis) does.

also what send said take athena dash

[novel wasp]

athena dash

meta

[brisk trail]

@vagrant crag ||Different takes, I guess then. I think Logan and Darren do a really good job of selling the venom in their lines.||

[fringe lynx]

noted

[serene obsidian]

@alpine mural doom is great on sword special

[vagrant crag]

@brisk trail , yeah man, I can see that ||I just feel theres a dynamic shift as ol' Pops begins to see you as his equal, rather than his petulant child||

[alpine mural]

Wasn’t talking sword special but yea

[modest copper]

quick question, does the fishing rod become available to buy as you keep playing? (new to game)

[vagrant crag]

Doom is good on stuff that can hit a lot infrequently; (in part because relying on Ares to give you stacking doom can be a pain, and sometimes because even with a high attack speed, the doom stack isnt that impressive damage-wise)

@modest copper, yes

[modest copper]

thx!

[vagrant crag]

Idk at what point the fishing rod becomes available, per se, but once you get your first diamond I'd wager is when the game starts to think about letting you buy it

[brisk trail]

Consider: Doom and Deflect on Attack and Special, either or, or Divine Dash with Doom on either Attack or Special.

[vagrant crag]

@modest copper (disclaimer, you might have to beat game at least once to see fishing rod @ the contractor shop)

[modest copper]

yeah makes sense. Lol, i almost defeated Hades... ||Didnt know he restored his health! ||(||had barely survived, and than as the restored most of his health i lost haha) Does Hades regain health once or twice?||

[vagrant crag]

@modest copper ||just once does Hades restore health (so you have to kill him 2 times)||

[modest copper]

that helps, ty

[south tusk]

@vagrant crag i already have the rod but didnt beat hades once so far

[vagrant crag]

Okay cool, then yeah, idk the requirement to see it in the shop; just be upgrading stuff around the underworld and it should eventually pop up; ty for headsup @south tusk @modest copper

[modest copper]

Ty for the info! @vagrant crag

Time to change the House of Hades lol, ||as Hades comes back, (since he wasnt there as i died trying to kill him) he will see a new house ||

[hidden geode]

Maaaan, I keep hearing people talk about how good the Dusa ||bond|| story is and I’m miffed I can’t experience it because my game is glitched

It costs three ambrosia for me to ||increase my bond|| with her

[knotty epoch]

Not sure if you want to know this but apparently ||that's intended; though poorly indicated for the player imo||

[hidden geode]

||Really? I figured once it went up to two, there’d be a mention of it, but since it wasn’t, I assumed it was a glitch||

They should communicate that more clearly

[knotty epoch]

I also thought it was a glitch

If you want to progress anyway, (dusa spoilers) ||you get a choice of whether you take the ambrosia back or not||

[deep pivot]

||Why is it intended? The elevated Ambrosia cost, I mean||

[knotty epoch]

Something about ||filling up the lounge reserves for her|| I think?

[deep pivot]

Oh, I remember that being said

[ionic blade]

hey folks i have a question. whats the deal with hades ? if i run the dash on block with athena i can block his big spin stuff and the other run i can't ?

legit doing everyhting the same as before

last run i blocked every spin attack and now i can't for some reason ?

i'm 100% sure i'm timing that dodge perfect

[deep pivot]

Oh, coffeecrash is very knowledgeable about this subject

[vocal thorn]

On max overtime, the hit box is sometimes bugged

As per the videos I posted a while ago

[ionic blade]

max overtime

?

sorry i just started playing like 4 days ago

so don't know some stuff lol

[vocal thorn]

Increased enemy speed. You probably don’t have it active

The real hit box is supposed to be the swipe after the white circle tracing

[ionic blade]

ye

i dodge the real attack

like i've had times he hit it 0 times

now he legit got me every single time and burned through my hp

[vocal thorn]

Are you trying to block it with a shield, or deflect it with athena’s dash?

[ionic blade]

i could even just mindless dodge it, just spamming dash but now i was timing it

athena dash

[vocal thorn]

Hmm

[ionic blade]

i know my timign is not off cuz i've blocked alot of stuff with it and it's my fav boon by far

[vocal thorn]

I know that even if you mash the dash button, there is a small time between dashes whee you can get hit

[ionic blade]

oh well it's what it is

when can i give meg ambrosia for her companion ?

how many hearts do i need

[vocal thorn]

And the hit box is really out a long time. I usually dash once during the white circle tracing, then use my second dash to dodge the actual attack

Because if I try to mash the dash, it seems to get me hit a lot

This also means I actually delay the second dash, which is something I don’t notice anyone else doing

[deep pivot]

I think you need to gift 4 or 5 nectars 1st

If memory serves me well

[ionic blade]

is ambrosia only good to use it for companions ?

i have 6 now so idk

i can trade one for 500 darkness idk if it's worth it

or titan blood

[deep pivot]

Yes, but you can also trade 1 Ambrosia for 1 Titan Blood at the broker

[ionic blade]

idk what's more worth haha

[tawny patio]

@ionic blade check the wiki. There's a lot of helpful stuff on the wiki: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Megaera

[ionic blade]

@tawny patio ty

[vocal thorn]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DTbmcpQO4ck that video shows the timing of dodging the spin attack. I have the game speed on a bit fast though, so maybe there’s a slow motion button somewhere?

[ionic blade]

whats more worth

ambrosia for darkness or

titan blood idk xD

[vocal thorn]

The important things is delaying the second dodge, and the fact that I try to lure him to the middle of the area, because it’s sometimes impossible to dodge the spin attack if he’s too close to an edge

Well, near impossible enough to not try it

[ionic blade]

oh and just one more question i have 36 keys

should i buy the gods pride or fated authority

[delicate arrow]

so i was forced to go ares dash the game i just played

it actually deals quite a fair bit of damage

@ionic blade gods pride

[viscid flicker]

gods pride because fated authority costs way too much darkness

[ionic blade]

hey is there any point in doing the other renovations ?

without the benefits

[vagrant crag]

@ionic blade dated authority is frankly minor re-roll chance too; it's not like you can make a gem/dark crystal into a god

[ionic blade]

like just the makeover etc

[vagrant crag]

And the renovations can help you advance certain character plot lines to get special dialogue / items from some characters 👀

[subtle jacinth]

I would save all titan bloods, and most of your ambrosia. You will need a LOT of ambrosia for summon upgrades AND for chats with companions that give you the companion unlocks. Only convert to titan blood if desperate.

you will be swimming in darkness by end game

[ionic blade]

don't you have to use only 1 ambrosia for a companion ,

?*

[subtle jacinth]

make sure to buy the lute for your room. If you play it long enough (a very long time) it leads to dialogue options and an ambrosia reward.
upgrading the lounge is a good second priority for getting progression with Dusa for her summon

1 ambrosia per NPC to unlock the summon

[ionic blade]

whats the best summon ?

[subtle jacinth]

then 15 ambrosia per summon to upgrade to the max (like TB)

[viscid flicker]

only 10 i thought?

[subtle jacinth]

so all in all, you will need 5 * 15 + 5 ambrosia

best summon varies, but most say the skelly summon or the bouldy summon

too early to say, so many people (including me) forget to use summon

[delicate arrow]

what does skelly summon do ?

[viscid flicker]

i think in theory getting 250 darkness early will let you buy a titan blood or two diamonds from a run quite a bit sooner, so you could make your investment back

[subtle jacinth]

distracts all of the NPCs for X seconds and is a character that has X health

[ionic blade]

does god mode give any drawbacks ? just noticed it lol

[subtle jacinth]

@viscid flicker thats a solid point. if you havent beaten hades yet, then consider the trade. But once you "git gud" ambrosia becomes a bottleneck. At this rate I will need many >10 heat runs to get the rest of the ambrosia i need for all of the upgrades

I toughed out sans god mode until I had beat Hades on all weapons. but you should go for it. No downsides beyond a possible steam achievement in the future

[viscid flicker]

the only possible drawback of god mode is any personal sense of satisfaction or accomplishment

[subtle jacinth]

haha true fair point...but I get plenty of accomplishment and satisfaction. the game is still tough as balls on high heats.

the difficulty is: I am on >10 heat runs at this point, and I would never be able to get high heat bounties unless I had godmode on. and Im STILL getting new dialogue and unlockables.

[viscid flicker]

yeah, no problem doing whatever works for you 😛 it should just be a personal thing

like i'm climbing up to get the bounties and i'm pretty sure i can already beat 20 heat on all of them (not at a 100% win rate though), but doing that many runs feels like kind of a slog

but for whatever reason, i feel like getting all those bounties will be an accomplishment

but if i turned on god mode to do it faster, i wouldn't feel as happy about it

[delicate arrow]

do you guys think i can beat hades with 44 hp and no deaths defiance??

spoilers: no.

[remote lily]

When you are in terrible state in Styx
There is one solution
Most boons will be soft locked for attack, special, dash and cast
So what does Athena can offer? DD replenish ❤️

[delicate arrow]

i just found hunting blades with only having slicing shot and hunters dash

no other boons from any other godsa

got it at beginning of asphodel

my body is ready

[worthy egret]

if ive made a meem

where do i put it

[delicate arrow]

nowhere

[worthy egret]

dangit

[delicate arrow]

we dont like memes over here

[worthy egret]

😦

[delicate arrow]

tryhard only zone

as long as you dont say the gamer word

[worthy egret]

:CCC

[brisk trail]

Off-topic or fan-works.

[delicate arrow]

god damn i love tanking all of hydra's attacks cos im an idiot

by the way, when is zeus attack ever useful ? it just deals so little damage

[brisk trail]

Very rapid-fire attacks.

[delicate arrow]

isnt support fire in that case?

[brisk trail]

Probably in order of effectiveness: Rail, Flurry Jab spear, Flurry Slash/Double Edge sword.

Support Fire has lower scaling and not all the other juice side effects that lightning can have.

[delicate arrow]

i see

so zeus in general is useless on bow

[brisk trail]

Thunder Flourish works on non-marked Chiron and all other unguided Specials, last I checked a few months ago.

He also still has good support boons, and with investment into Static Discharge and Cold Fusion (a lot, I know) it's always a decent option.

[worthy egret]

#fan-works put the meme there

[delicate arrow]

but when is it ever better than slicing shot on hera bow?

[brisk trail]

Well, Electric Shot just isn't great.

Bouncing is nice, but its tendency to get lost mean it's really risky if you don't have Greater Recall.

[delicate arrow]

honestly most casts get lost

which are best casts, save for aphro cast ?

[brisk trail]

Yeah, I wish that would get tweaked, but I'm sure it's in the pipeline somewhere.

Slicing Shot if Hunting Blades, then True Shot, then Scintillating Feast/Ice Wine Trippy Shot, then Crush Shot.

[delicate arrow]

true shot?

id actually say its quite awful, honestly

but i agree with slicing shot

it has carried so many runs for me its insane

[brisk trail]

You know True Shot holds the WR speed, right?

[coral axle]

i usually just pick whatever cast is necessary for privileged status or for a duo

i don't really care about what cast it is, unless it's poseidon aspect, then probably true shot

[delicate arrow]

it does?

[brisk trail]

Yup.

[delicate arrow]

didnt know that

thats insane

[brisk trail]

Great damage plus a decent chance to crit.

[delicate arrow]

how would a build around it look like?

[brisk trail]

Getting Artemis just means you double up on Cast boons while you're at it.

[delicate arrow]

aphro / dio / ares attack

?

[brisk trail]

You don't really attack with this set-up.

[delicate arrow]

what about duo boons?

[coral axle]

true shot > dual shot/exit wounds > fully loaded

that's all you really need

[patent umbra]

Trueshot strength isnt the damage, (which is ok at best) its the strong homing that carries it

And artemis boon weighting

[delicate arrow]

i see

guys i ran into an artemis boon choice

running ares artemis duo boon

with zeus attack

i either get lightning rod

or dual shot

which one ?

[brisk trail]

Dual Shot.

[delicate arrow]

dual shot is rare

[brisk trail]

Doesn't matter.

[delicate arrow]

for clarification

[patent umbra]

Dual shot is just too good

[brisk trail]

Lightning Rod is mediocre.

[delicate arrow]

aight, thanks

[brisk trail]

Especially with Hunting Blades.

[delicate arrow]

oo i got an arte chamber in styxz

ok i made the right choice

holy, its too good

heroic deadly strike, support fire or pressure points

im assuming deadly strike is just too good, correct?

[coral axle]

trust me, true shot's homing screws you over more than not for KB&M users lmao

[brisk trail]

Pressure Points.

[coral axle]

for controller it's a godsend

for KB&M it's pretty garbo at close range

i've actually stopped running poseidon because i can't stand the finnicky nature of true shot with KB&M, and running merciful end nemesis builds instead lol

[delicate arrow]

interesting choice, is that because hunting blades has a high crit rate?

[brisk trail]

No, Pressure Points is just one of the best boons in the game.

[delicate arrow]

ah i see

[brisk trail]

But Hunting Blades' high hit rate is nice.

[delicate arrow]

i took it, lets hope youre right 😛

[vagrant crag]

You say the homing is the reason Artemis is good? Lmao that cant be right @patent umbra

[delicate arrow]

im feeling like im dealing slightly more damage

[vagrant crag]

Can people not aim?

[delicate arrow]

which is good i guess

[brisk trail]

It's not that people can't aim, it's that you fire them all off at once and they find the enemies faster than you can hit them.

[patent umbra]

You throw out 6 shots and it will clear the offscreen

[coral axle]

try using true shot with KB&M

[brisk trail]

I have, it's still nutty.

[coral axle]

you'll actually vomit blood

[vagrant crag]

I guess it's nice for the edge case of getting around shields, but beyond that I'd imagine the bulk of dps is them crits

[brisk trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i67xC89LmRc

[vagrant crag]

KB&M? Acronyms are gonna be tough on this game for me @coral axle

[brisk trail]

Keyboard and mouse.

[coral axle]

keyboard and mouse controls

[delicate arrow]

keyboard and moiuse

lol

[coral axle]

if your cursor is literally 1 pixel off the enemy's hitbox

true shot does a loop-de-loop and decides to yeet itself into the nearest wall 99% of the time

[vagrant crag]

Oh lol, KB&M ain't so bad

[delicate arrow]

its awful

[vagrant crag]

I do know the feel of them isometric properties sometimes trolling you though

[delicate arrow]

compared to controller

[vagrant crag]

but muh precision twitch aiming!

[coral axle]

KB&M is pretty decent

[vagrant crag]

To each their own yo

[coral axle]

the only thing i hate about KB&M is the fact that you are locked in 8-directional movement

which on EM hydra is super cancerous

[patent umbra]

You can dash in any direction ti mouse cursor

[brisk trail]

That requires relearning playstyle.

[coral axle]

i know that

but still

[deep pivot]

This channel is so heated right now

[coral axle]

dashing in cursor is probably one of the worst ways to play the game

[vagrant crag]

@deep pivot no it isnt; dont make it heated now

[deep pivot]

Why would I?

[coral axle]

the good thing about KB&M is freedom to aim specific casts like fog

and bombard

[vagrant crag]

@deep pivot good question;

And yeah, you can argue pros and cons to both setups

It would appear the best solution is to have Controller Joystick + KB+M

[coral axle]

personally i'm used to KB&M now

[deep pivot]

Both have prons and cons. I still find the aiming a bit troublesome on controller

[vocal thorn]

Maybe people can agree the best option depends on the person? I’ve played enough games with a PS4 controller, that I can play far better with that, than with a KB&M

[livid cargo]

The objectively best option is to use bongos

[west chasm]

The way i spend gems on pointless cosmetics for the lounge proves i am not fit to manage any form of fund

[terse holly]

hoi

first time beating hades

some mods have a symbol next to them like a little ball

what does that mean?

[deep pivot]

What do you mean?

[terse holly]

hmmm like they are hightlighted permanently

does it have any significance?

[small steppe]

Ah. You mean the boons at the end of the playthrough that are selected and "pinned" ?

[terse holly]

yes that's it

i believe they mean something

don't know what

[small steppe]

I wondered that too, but I thought that's the boons that contributed to your output damage the most. I may be terribly wrong, so it would be cool if someone knows better 🙂

[terse holly]

that seems a reasonable guess

i thought that is a possibility as well

[small steppe]

I looked quickly on Reddit and someone said that's the way to show off a screenshot of your victory. You can "pin" your own boons on that screen.

[terse holly]

i tried clicking on a mod and it got pinned that's true

[amber garden]

Yeah I think that's all it's for

Yeah I think that's all it's for

[proud orbit]

The ones that are automatically pinned are usually duos and hammer upgrades

And legendaries

[glad lichen]

Is Steam down?

[small steppe]

Apparently, yes.

Routine maintenance.

[deep pivot]

Do you know for how long?

[small steppe]

Usually 10-15 minutes, but I am not a Valve employee. :)
Just an estimate according to how it usually happens.

[terse holly]

hmmm maybe it could be to rarity that makes sense

[nimble ether]

what do yall think the easiest heat condition is?

[alpine stratus]

convenience fee

[grave hearth]

are extreme measures 1-2 even noticeable 🤔

[merry harbor]

The 400% trap damage one

[nimble ether]

yeah i just saw extreme measures, and it looks like ajoke

[flat vapor]

middle management

[proud orbit]

Convenience fee has the least impact

[nimble ether]

I'm going to go with extreme measures, at least forTartarus. It actually made the fight more fun

[novel wasp]

I finally kick my kratos looking hades butt

[agile saddle]

Huh?

[carmine pecan]

[agile saddle]

I don't like Hades design. To me he just looks like a dark haired Zues. Like why not give him a cool look?

[rich parrot]

he does have a cool look

just not to you i guess ?

[brisk trail]

He and Zeus are brothers.

[rich parrot]

aren't all olympians just one big messed up family ?

[radiant tangle]

Kind of. They've been taking great strides to quell a good number of the weirder relationships through a reworking of the origins of certain Olympians

[marble blade]

I respect the hustle with that.

[analog elbow]

Hey @vale drift luv u

[calm laurel]

Tisiphone
Tisiphon
Tisipho
Tisiph
Tisip
Tisi
Tis
Tiz

[solar patrol]

alright i'm ready to try 32 heat for the first time and it's gonna be with sword max heat i've ever done is 20 so idk what to expect

[brisk trail]

It's bad. It's real bad.

[formal mirage]

oh no

good luck

[solar patrol]

is Skelly's companion good?

[brisk trail]

Yes.

[solar patrol]

alright 👀 dumping all my juice into it

[jade grove]

@calm laurel 'Tis iPhone

[calm laurel]

📱

[fluid charm]

Moving from #fan-works , how do y'all think the Transistor as a Stygius aspect would function?

[jade grove]

Crash() would be a suitable replacement for nova, it's functionally similar.

Would just need to extend it a bit.

Breach() would be a fun charge up mechanic

and Daedalus Hammers should be replaced with Functions

Breach(Bounce)...

...also, maybe a precombined Dash function

[calm laurel]

is it confirmed that Daedalus is dead?

[jade grove]

Jaunt(Mask) or Jaunt(Spark)...

also a Help() summon

[empty ferry]

i dont think an aspect changing every daedalus hammer is a good idea

[jade grove]

It'll never happen, either way

It's just a fun what if

[hexed pilot]

Zag: why is this sword talking to me

[jade grove]

They're not gonna do an aspect of Red or the Kid or anything. Totally different universes

LUL

Hydra being fought to The Spine though

[hexed pilot]

nono, that would play on the barge of death

on extreme measures, hydra fight would be in circles

[jade grove]

Aw, but the Hydra looks more like the actual Spine process

[novel wasp]

Everytime I get spear

I become tisiphone

when meg insults me for not having my weapon hammer blessed

proceed to destroy her like usual

I like it original

Oh yeah Hypnos telling you go to bed because everyone here has a problem of not going to bed early as an emote

Hypnos gets angry if you dont sleep

[uncut gazelle]

"Your weapon is looking a bit dull there." Magaera says, not seeming to realize that I'm carrying a shield with me.

[modern garnet]

nothing duller than a rounded edge

[primal whale]

Hypnos also sleeps on the job

[normal fjord]

Imagine needing to get close to enemies to attack them

this post was made by the ranged weapon gang

I literally haven't touched a weapon that isn't the gun in like 10 or 15 runs

[primal whale]

Because the gun is awesome

Its my my "main" for sure

[humble elbow]

What's the difference between Encounters and Chambers?

[jade grove]

Fights and no fights.

[worthy egret]

Had 2 hp left after killing hydra

Accidentally stepped into lava

Died

Im lAUGHING

THAT WAS SO DUMB

[jade grove]

nice

[tepid flax]

Hi guys

where is old QnA's form supergiants?

are they deleted?

[humble elbow]

@jade grove Thank you! 👍

[brisk trail]

@tepid flax they’re all in #ask-supergiant !

[tepid flax]

thx!

[noble rose]

i liked everything that went well with the Greek Mythology style game. even if I cannot have the full version of the game, I am considering getting it after early access

[brisk trail]

I'll just buy the game after early access cause I want to experience the story from start to finish

[light blaze]

The endings are comedy gold atm though

[empty ferry]

some of them, yeah

[potent egret]

maaan i cant find the last boon of chaos :'c

lots of runs and defiance doesnt appears

[uncut gazelle]

Man I am completely terrible with every weapon except for the shield
EIther that or the shield's actually just easy mode and I'm just bad in general

Like I can make it up to the final boss with every weapon, but the shield's the only thing I've beaten it with

[spice thunder]

is there a date set for the next big update?

[undone plaza]

@uncut gazelle You'll get better 😉 Happened to me as well, where I was struggling to beat the final boss, but now, after 100 hours of gameplay I'm able to beat him most of the time. Just keep playing and you will get better :). And for me Shield is actually pretty hard to beat the boss with, so it doesn't feel like an easy mode for me...

[grand crystal]

i personally think that shield is bad and that chaos aspect is meh untill you max it

but then again, i play in a way that does not advocate for shield

like i just cannot play with shield

[uncut gazelle]

Huh, that's really interesting to hear. Glad I'm not entirely awful then, just have a specific kind of playstyle

[grand crystal]

yea, everyone plays differently. I like spear and bow for the distance and high damage output

and sword sometimes because i have to really react and be fast

[uncut gazelle]

Ahhh, see I tend to get in really close and use the blocking so I don't have to dodge out of the way or anything

[grand crystal]

i forget that the shield has blocking

[south tusk]

@uncut gazelle shield gang! i have always preffered it for some reason and now im at a point where i dont want to use anything else lol

[analog elbow]

cause the shield is OP af

only wep that straight up allows you to deny dmg with no boons

[split mauve]

I'm pretty good with shield, but the reason is that I'm super defensive
and I just dont enjoy that as much, hence why my favorite weapon is the sword

[south tusk]

shield is the only one with which ive been able to beat the final boss, 2nd in line would be sword but then the 2nd boss ruins me every time

[sand stump]

I like Hades a lot because each weapon feel sp different

But Athena deflect on Dash is still my fav no matter which weapon

[novel wasp]

athena is meta

what can i say

[crimson void]

Athena probably needs a damage nerf tbh.

[coral axle]

athena doesn't really do that much damage

it's her synergies that give the damage

[crimson void]

Honestly IDK if it needs any damage at all, deflect is so, so good

[coral axle]

kind of like how artemis is

relies more heavily on synergies

[crimson void]

Artemis just needs to be put on something with a big chunky damage output

Like rockets

Also greater Artemis call is just silly vs bosses

[coral axle]

i'm pretty sure aphro boons deal more damage overall according to some calculations

but yes, artemis still relies on synergies and poms in general

[crimson void]

One of these days I want to get a world splitter Artemis run