Id rather have Artemis dash attack
#h1-discussion
edgy pecan
eh
empty ferry
thats def a minority opinion
delicate arrow
Why would I dodge reflect if I have invulnerability frames on dash?
tranquil lagoon
yeah dash reflect is immensely useful. if you're not planning on using it as a way to deal damage, it's great
delicate arrow
That's how I reason it
edgy pecan
her attack deflect when paired with rail is neat to have
patent umbra
You make enemies hurt themselves
empty ferry
athena dash iframes are longer and remove projectiles from the field
delicate arrow
But then again, I dash to get away from damage , not to get into it, yknow? Seems counterintuitive
amber garden
Dash through monsters to keep up the attack. That's how I play at least
delicate arrow
Or else it's just something I'm too much of a bow user to understand
amber garden
Choice of weapons may be relevant here
delicate arrow
I only play bo
Bow
Only weapon I find fun
I could make a case for spear and Poseidon Zeus shield, but nah
broken marten
Does Lambet Plume and pierced butterfly still work if you unequip it for another keepsake later on?
delicate arrow
@broken marten no
empty ferry
no
edgy pecan
no
amber garden
Lol
broken marten
damn
amber garden
I personally enjoy the shield and sword the most. Spear, then the bow, and finally the gun
delicate arrow
My favourite build is to go Artemis crit + dash, Ares God Gauge + cast then hope for fully loaded, ravenous Will, snow Burst maybe, support fire
With Hera bow
Its so fun
Oh and obviously duo boon and legendary ares
amber garden
Don't you find that relying on that specific combo to be somewhat.... Limiting?
Like I understand it can be fun
broken marten
My prefered weapon is the shield with the Zues upgrade
delicate arrow
Most of the times I don't get it , so I'll just go for a different dash or transition to a demeter chill - based build
empty ferry
my preferred weapon is the one with +20% darkness
delicate arrow
Nice
@amber garden it's just so satisfying one shotting everything
Dying lament, arctic burst, the decay on chill with special Demeter can also be satisfying , whether in that build or not
What are your favourite builds? @amber garden
deft gull
I love Athena's dash boon. Longer i-frames and sometimes the screen is just full of projectiles, or I didn't see something coming, and my instinctive dashing saved me
One run I had Athena dash + epic Hermes dash bonus, that was a lot of fun
sharp parcel
I don't believe you get more i-frames with Athena's
it just deflects during the dash now
other gods' dashes were also buffed
Dio's poison pool lingers, for example
empty ferry
i 100% believe athena dash has longer iframes
idk what buffing has to do with anything, athena dash always deflected, it's buff was not needing to be charged up for a split second before activating
split mauve
poseidon is probably my favorite dash
deft gull
well, whatever the case, it helps a lot with survivability
sharp parcel
- Divine Dash (Athena): slightly reduced Deflect duration
you only deflect while you have dash's i-frames
empty ferry
those are not the same thing
spring drum
What are some of the easier heat conditions?
odd spire
Dumb question but im having some trouble googling. How do you unlock the summons?
amber garden
I usually go for the spirit heart first
Midboss buff is also not too bad for the +2 it gives
gleaming crane
I'd say extreme measures and middle management are the easiest, as they only happen in some specific rooms and then leave you alone to lick your wounds safely.
spring drum
Thanks
deep pivot
My 2nd Chaos boon disappeared after its curse got lifted. Is it intended or a bug?
I already had it’s boon effect with the 1st so maybe they don’t stack?
gleaming crane
If it's the same kind as what you previously got, it's frequent. Should just be a visual bug, you normally still get both boosts.
deep pivot
If so, it shouldn’t be offered as a 2nd option :/
In my case, the 1st boon says that future boons have a +14% to be Rare or better and the 2nd time I visited Chaos he offered a +31% and I accepted it (I don’t remember the percentage accurately since it disappeared from my boon list). Now the curse from the 2nd boon got lifted so does that mean I have a +45% chance even if the only boon remaining on my list is +14%?
Because it sure is a let down if it’s not so
gleaming crane
It should be 45% chance, yes. It's easier to verify with damage boons than rare chance boons though 
deep pivot
Haha yes. Thanks for the heads up! I do think the devs should fix that visually for others because at a glance it just seems that the boon simply disappered
gleaming crane
Report it with F10.
odd birch
Also try entering a new room
Chaos boons disappear in the room you lifted the curse in
The reappear in the next room... still weird behavior imo
I noticed that with the legendary DD boon since it's really obvious
deft gull
Does anybody else get the visual bug on the map when going from Tartarus to Asphodel? The movement marker jumps around a bit
grand crystal
that happedned to me yesterday with one run
indigo mango
jovial scarab
Yep, happens to me too
deft gull
ok, if they know if it then I won't bother reporting
deep pivot
I entered the next room but boon still missing
I will submit a feedback and also report it (even though I already entered a new room)
amber garden
Sometimes transitioning rooms in the maze zag gets all jittery like he is stuck on the door. It's pretty funny
hexed smelt
i've noticed that! it only ever seems to happen if he's right up against the door and have some sort of move speed increase
delicate arrow
Probably just excited to see magaera again
deep pivot
That’s happening right now on Asphodel with me except Zag moves to the side of the raft and is standing on lava
jovial scarab
I have also had Zag stand on the lava on the way out of a room
tawny patio
Digging into the game's data, I've found some numbers that feels a bit off.
The speed & dodge bonus of the sword's basic aspect is 10% / 14% / 17% / 23% / 25% according to my calculation. The 4th level is a whopping 6% boost while other levels only give 2% ~ 4%.
And I don't have enough Titan Blood to verify the numbers on my own in-game
Right now the numbers on the Wiki is +10% / +15% / +20% / +25% / +25% which certainly doesn't seem correct
hexed smelt
the wiki is out of date on a lot of things and has been for a while because i haven't had the time/spoons to correct it
amber garden
I just upgraded my sword too :(
idle halo
i just need the game for free ;-;
tawny patio
@hexed smelt and I'm trying to fix the formentioned numbers. Too bad I can't refund Titan Blood to verify the numbers in-game myself
amber garden
If you unlock an aspect but don't transition rooms does the game autosave?
tawny patio
That I don't know. Lemme give it a try real quick
vernal wagon
it doesn't
earlier today I spent considerable titan blood to evolve a weapon then quit
came back, had my titan blood intact and the weapon unevolved
knotty epoch
it doesn't autosave if you don't leave the room
you can actually also just go to the first room of an escape and test it (as long as you dont finish the room)
even then if you get to a point where you can give up like a boss fight, you should be able to roll back to the state you were in before you entered the balcony
tawny patio
Yes. I just verified that my calculation is correct for the first 3 levels.
(But I'm running out of Titan Blood
I'll just go edit the Wiki anyway
sleek dome
So then what about when you’re making a run? If you’re having a bad time vs boss and quit before they finish you, do you restart the fight then?
sleek dome
But then if you finish a room but don’t transition to the next you can safely quit
deep pivot
Yes!
knotty epoch
Correct, in most cases
I found some rooms wouldn't let me exit out until some animations finished or something to that effect?
Can't remember which ones
sleek dome
I once quit the game while i was in asphodel and when i came back a few days later the update rolled up and it looked way different
fickle jewel
tawny patio
Well, I'm about to add a link to Nectar on the Wiki's main page. Turns out that the main page is protected and I can't edit it.
opal lodge
:< pretty sure I have the dusa bug T.T
I have all codex entries maxxed except hers, 45 completed runs, all keepsakes and companions maxed, all prophecies complete except hers x.x
vague frigate
i think my game is bugged too, i used curse blade and 1 hp regen per hit is nothing, you might as well just take my hp and give no hp regen, literally lost on the first boss 😛
opal lodge
I'd make sure you're not dash attacking and expecting the hp regen.
vague frigate
i do a bit of everything
ivory remnant
Still sucks if dash attack is otherwise your main strat
vague frigate
depends on positioning and such, a lot of dash attacks vs bosses though
dash attacks don't give hp back?
opal lodge
I wish it did :<
opal lodge
Not sure if it's intended that it doesn't or not, but that was the first thing I noticed about that hammer upgrade
opal lodge
Dash attack is one of the few things sword has going for it x.x
ivory remnant
I miss when it was a percentage, though it was admittedly overpowered, lol
ivory remnant
i was able to beat the final boss with just 100 hp and no death defiances left
when it was percentage
opal lodge
wow, 100hp with the hp steal?
vague frigate
did they change the final boss patterns or speed?
he seemed different to me yesterday
ivory remnant
mmhmm!
vague frigate
hes much harder now
ivory remnant
so it was definitely op. but now it just feels terrible
opal lodge
The bane of most of my runs now is Hydra after you ||turn up the heat||
opal lodge
I think -70% is probably a bit too extreme
opal lodge
Lol "Time to order some sandwiches to go!"
mental sleet
it is weekend already?
deep pivot
You mean the lore of The Elder Scrolls huh? It’s a neat universe
vocal thorn
Shady’ said heal does seem less now, but maybe it’s because I’m more often having the reduced healing punishment. I might switch to Than
deep pivot
It’s a great time indeed 🙂
coarse junco
How are the other companion keepsakes? I only really use Shady
vocal thorn
Shady is still probably the absolute best at low heat, since it probably wouldn’t have nerfed gold and needed healing
static wadi
btw his gold still doesnt affected bu Chaos boons
vocal thorn
Some people do thing like drop skelly behind a pillar, so it attracts things, but is somewhat protected
vast junco
re: auto selling boons strictly related to other boons at purging fountain, i feel like part of the point with considerations about selling boons includes ones that have extra investment put into them, like other boons
so that seems too convenient and kinda glosses over that dimension of it, i think
gleaming crane
Fidi is best because you get to hear Dusa's voice.
Also she says hi to Meg when you use her summon against her
static wadi
@gleaming crane well same for Tomatos?
gleaming crane
Yeah, but Thanatos doesn't have a cute, shy voice.
opal lodge
Adamant Rail best girl
solemn seal
I have the game on steam, when I'm using my PS4 controler I got the x-box bottons , but I saw a youtube video where a guy having the PS4 bottons ?
atomic rover
i think thats a steam big picture setting?
random ferry
yes
harsh epoch
static wadi
yes
rotund granite
But what else can I actually do for the studio?
tawny patio
It's 4am and a patch just got released.
rotund granite
And that's a lot of work
solid forum
this should go in #supergiant-games
mortal moss
YES. YES. "
Budget Cuts: no longer locked in as part of Hell Mode"
timid vector
@rotund granite buy it for your friends
cursive steppe
solid forum
but the most you could do is buy their games and merch
mortal moss
Time to go back to my Hell Mode save
timid vector
are steam and epic patches at the same time?
solid forum
I've only played hades once since the patch came out 😂
grizzled hazel
Fixed an issue where too many different Olympians could appear in a single escape attempt (note: this has no effect on Boon offering rates, only on total number of different Boon-giving characters per escape attempt)
Didn't that make it worse?
coarse junco
I think it actually buffed God Keepsakes
mellow ridge
I would think it would be better. I tend to stick with 2-3 gods per run to try to get to the duo boons.
coarse junco
The less dilution means it’s more likely to get the god you want agai
mint anchor
^
deep spade
more focused runs means more higher tier boons
shell ice
"Wave-Maker: adjusted attack pattern"
this is pretty vague
is it back to the old way?
nocturne rampart
Avast just deleted my Hades coz it's a threat
deft gull
Oh, I'm so glad about that note re: gods. I was really confused on my last run when I got boons from just about everybody
mint anchor
was the world smasher shield the thing that did a 90 damage close hit?
nocturne rampart
I've just restored everything, everything's OK
But yeah, maybe Supergiant should take a cool if it's happen to any other Avast user
mint anchor
awww, world smasher was fun. it def needed a nerf tho.
coarse junco
Also spear point buff
olive saddle
Did I just see Hell Mode no longer has Budget Cuts locked in?
THANK YOU devs, that's amazing!
coarse junco
Yep.
Out of curiosity, do we know if rerolling a chamber changes the chamber itself or just the reward?
If the latter if you find a miniboss room can’t you spam rerolls to get the boon you want
hidden sparrow
I just read on the gamepedia wiki that rerolling doesn't change the encounter
But I don't know how accurate it is
brisk trail
Miniboss rooms lock to two different Gods that either synergize with the original god or your build.
coarse junco
I’m of the opinion that they just cycle through all the gods in the boon pool
The whole synergy thing would rely whatever mechanism SGG are using to determine gods
quartz veldt
What does mean in patch note bulleted lists?
coarse junco
Community suggested changes IIRC
quartz veldt
Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks!
coarse junco
Or at least changes/bugs the community pointed out
zealous timber
@quartz veldt yeah, these are changed inspired by community feedback. It means we read something in the community that caused us to make a fix or change.
livid cargo
Its so nice having a game where the community can actually make a difference
sharp flare
Actually seeing feedback being addressed is a breath of fresh air these days
surreal berry
is the feedback for things that we feel should be changed or is positive feedback good there too
hexed smelt
positive feedback is also helpful!
surreal berry
aight, thanks
opal lodge
Noooo D: my world smasher
peak sand
Ah, I see. Shrunk the side bars, with black bars instead where the image overlaps.
radiant dune
Charged Throw (Shield) - fixed an issue preventing it from working with ZEUS Shield
i think
this gonna be insane
imagine this but then with double damage xD
coarse junco
Is... that how you’re supposed to use Zeus aspect? Huh....
radiant dune
just make sure you dont take the hermes special speed xd
lament hare
Anyone else notice the invisible rock / NPC in the hall next to Hypnos?
You can't walk through that spot in the hall and it casts a shadow
static wadi
@lament hare it looks like a column
or some round object
i already reported it for some days ago
gleaming crane
Is it still there? Patch notes said something about fixing invisible obstacle.
static wadi
looks like they fixed it@gleaming crane
near canopy
Any suggestions for a run ?
static wadi
@near canopy successful 45 heat with Zag sword?
deep pivot
@swift seal Nice comment on #hades-feedback
near canopy
what boons
swift seal
Thank ya, thank ya. They open themselves up to negative feedback every day. I don't want them to get discouraged or anything. I've seen that happen to many a great game.
near canopy
why is steam not working ;-;
deep pivot
Oh, they shouldn’t. The game is amazing so far, and like you said, everyone wants it to be better 
chilly stump
Hey Traps, thanks for the kind words in feedback! No danger of discouragement here, we've been going through Early Access for over a year now and no amount of negative feedback could stop us from continuing, I think. 😄
tepid plaza
anyone else get this really weird soundglitch that persists through rooms and levels?
first run after the newest patch
swift seal
You guys deserve good feedback! Because of how good Hades has been, I also picked up Bastion and Transistor on the Switch! Excited to see how those turn out!
And thank you for listening to us. It's a nice balance between feedback, and you all's internal knowledge. And everyone's looking for that million hour roguelite so we get jonesin for it.
lethal wave
can anyone answer my question ?
I killed first boss and then gone to second level or chapter and died in some where there now then I respawned at main house and when I go battle it start from begining of first chapter
hexed smelt
yup!
static wadi
@lethal wave and what question
hexed smelt
that's how it works. you start from the beginning every time.
lethal wave
:|
there should be a save so you shouldn't have to start from first boss
and you countinue from second boss levels
static wadi
no way
hexed smelt
if that was the case then you'd miss out on anything you could collect in the first biome
it's jsut not how the game is designed to work
lethal wave
yeah I know I agree but I agree with that untill you kill the first boss then if you die you should start from second chapter and there should be an option so you can go back play first chapter when ever you want
sharp parcel
that's just not how the game works
lethal wave
:_|
remote lily
It's roguelite game, your death is pernamet, you lose part of all resources you collected and start from zero. You can use some resources which you don't lose to upgrade your hero and try again
lethal wave
feels bad it took me 3 hours to kill first boss
static wadi
@lethal wave it will become easier later
when u improve ur skill trinkets and mirror
remote lily
Yeach look at the mirror upgrades in Zag room
lethal wave
imagine reaching last boss and dying there :|||
lethal wave
lol xD
static wadi
i reached him like 3-4 times and died
sharp parcel
yeah, you'll reach the last boss and die often
final dome
hey I only died once at the final boss
remote lily
It's just the genre of game
final dome
got em at the second try
static wadi
@final dome well u still died 1st time
lethal wave
all supergiant games are like this ?
remote lily
Nope haha
static wadi
all roguelites games like this
lethal wave
oh ok
remote lily
In pyre even lost match push story forward
static wadi
and sometimes u even want to lose
lethal wave
btw which guns do you guys use to kill first boss easily ? I used ages ( sword , bow were useless )
remote lily
Tbh in hades the story is also pushed forward when you lose. But the levels not. You start from zero.
static wadi
Ages?
remote lily
Even losing in hades shows you new story events
static wadi
Shield?
static wadi
well first boss is not a problem
lethal wave
@remote lily yes but still it feels bad
static wadi
but i prefer bow rail and shield
lethal wave
losing all checkpoints
static wadi
@lethal wave well u still will play it again even if u win
cus only 1 win means nothing
there is so much things to discover
lethal wave
never played a game like this :D
remote lily
If you feel that the game is too hard (as for roguelite game it's easy btw) you can turn on God mode in settings (it will give you additional damage reduction)
lethal wave
it's pain in the as*&s
remote lily
Ohh, play Hollow Knight man :)
static wadi
Dead cells or TBOI may be better analogues
remote lily
Oh it's Isaac heh just found, thanks
lethal wave
should we send them feedback to add chekpoint for chapters at least ( after killling boss of each chapter ) :P
static wadi
well i dont think it will do
remote lily
You will meet the story toooo fast then
static wadi
game works different way
tawny patio
It's a roguelite. It's not supposed to have checkpoints.
vapid drift
it is highly unlikely except as a like, post-story mode
sharp parcel
like I said, that's just not how the game works
remote lily
You need to die to meet the story
sharp parcel
the runs are meant to be brief, no longer than an hour at most
static wadi
local man refuses to die even in videogame
opaque nexus
Checkpoints are in Gungeon and they stick and nobody uses them
lethal wave
I died 20 times in 3 hous
opaque nexus
Because you have less time to build up items
lethal wave
hours
static wadi
@lethal wave u will die a lot first time
sharp parcel
Gungeon doesn't tell you jack about the stuff you pick up
sharp parcel
can't even tell what's good and what's not
opaque nexus
Isaac is that problem to the extreme
static wadi
first of all focus darkness and keys
opaque nexus
The descriptions say nothing
sharp parcel
Isaac was easier in general though
opaque nexus
Forcing players to have a wiki open to see what stuff even does is bad design
sharp parcel
yeah
static wadi
@sharp parcel yes it is but we really cant match this games
only thing they have in common - death
sharp parcel
isn't Gungeon isometric as well?
trim surge
not really, kinda
sharp parcel
I never felt confused by the environment
like not being able to tell if the wall covers me or not
static wadi
wait i mean we cant match TBOI and Hades
sharp parcel
nor have I ever lost track of my character in Gungeon
lethal wave
Thanks for all info I'm going to cry and sleep then try again tomorrow 
sharp parcel
yet both of these happen frequently in Hades
static wadi
@lethal wave dew it
static wadi
gl
remote lily
Hades is early access
vapid drift
roguelites have kind of a different progression loop than most games - it's "do a run to gather resources/defeat bosses/hit progression triggers, then you either die or complete the run and then you progress, spend resources(usually to make your next run easier), and do another run"
remote lily
And it's isometric, both gungeom and tboi is top-down
It's easier to build cleaner view in top-down game
trim surge
that's not true of Isaac/Gungeon/STS where you mostly unlock sidegrades
lethal wave
@vapid drift yeah thanks I wasn't familiar with this kind of games =_(
trim surge
hades turned the meta-progression up to 11
you need maybe 100 hours of grinding to unlock all weapon aspects to max level
lethal wave
last question how many bosses are there to kill for now ?
vapid drift
yeah, Hades is kind of an extreme example of a roguelite - most just have progression that adds to your next run, and not just a whole area you upgrade with people to talk to
four.
lethal wave
@static wadi thank god
static wadi
idk how i should count this
trim surge
3x variations of 1st boss, 2 variations of 2nd boss, 2 variations of 3rd boss, final boss
static wadi
@trim surge well techically 1st boss has more variations.
lethal wave
8 in totall ? :|
trim surge
also most roguelikes do in fact not have progression for next run
vapid drift
roguelite, not roguelike.
trim surge
it's the same
split mauve
nope
trim surge
don't be pedantic
lethal wave
in steam it says rouge like
split mauve
all roguelikes do not have progression
not most
if it has progression
it is a roguelite
spring radish
How's the Dem Cast buff?
static wadi
so... give me some rogulike names
spring radish
Downloading the update rn
vapid drift
your runs contribute to following runs, ergo, it is a roguelite. you start off about as weak, but you grow in strength outside of your run.
white forge
Whew
trim surge
that's your definition
chilly stump
Hades is often not considered a true "roguelike" for quite a few reasons! The wiki page on them has some good details on what technically defines it. But roguelike tends to communicate the genre pretty well, and roguelite is available as an alternative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike
white forge
Yeah, the berlin interperetation is super strict
chilly stump
Thanks for picking it up @white forge ! Make sure to take care of those eyes and hands. 😄
split mauve
I'm not a roguelike snob or anything
naive sable
just finished the game for the 1st time ! Awesome game, congrats to the team
split mauve
in fact I enjoy roguelites much more
spring radish
Please give me tips on the final boss, only beat him once with 15 hours 😭
I love this game but I'm still so bad
opal lodge
Athena dash >:3 the secret to not dying
spring radish
true that seems very powerful to me
trim surge
I mean the game calls itself a "Godlike Roguelike"
white forge
God, I've gotten ||Hades to about 10% hp a few times, and always fall at the final hurdle||
opal lodge
Also the best sword build imo is just casting >.>
trim surge
steam tags are roguelike as well
chilly stump
We do like having fun with words. 😄
spring radish
cast builds seem very strong to me
white forge
The most op upgrade is the quick shield bash
it leavs you invulnerable something like 50% of the time
static wadi
@white forge nah explosive return
spring radish
I didn't quite understand the use of specials but I think I get them now
really key to some weapon aspects
trim surge
Godlike Roguelike is pretty catchy not gonna lie
white forge
explosive return is nice too, but only if you build around the special
static wadi
@white forge i do
opal lodge
@white forge You mean world breaker? Because I think they nerfed the full auto-ness of it :<
white forge
I will say, I love every siongle character so much
static wadi
Chaos aspect FTW
white forge
@opal lodge Yeah, i think so
spring radish
all about the Chiron bow, babyyy
white forge
Hmm, I dunno if I have a favourite weapon
static wadi
@spring radish Chaos aspect is best version of Chiron bow!
trim surge
Boyo 💀
white forge
Probably the shield i think
Pushing enemies into the lava in asphodel feels so satisfying
spring radish
fair but the Chaos shield needs a few upgrades to really get popping
opal lodge
Once you go 1500-2000 crit adamant rail, it's hard to settle for lesser numbers @.@
static wadi
@spring radish same as Chiron lol
spring radish
also SG I know you are reading this, add Apollo boons you mythology nerds 😠 😩
trim surge
there is no sun in the underworld
static wadi
Apollo is not cool
tawny patio
@spring radish just get a good build and out-DPS him. Way easier than "git gud" :P
trim surge
zagreus is a glorified basement-dweller
spring radish
being an ancient history buff and roguelite fanatic, this game is really a dream come true for me
opal lodge
And there's no water in asphodel, but behold, posiedon!
white forge
@static wadi Admirable... but mistaken
static wadi
@white forge what about?
white forge
apollo not being cool
spring radish
Apollo is so cool
static wadi
cool about what?
spring radish
but so is my boy Hephaestus
white forge
idk, you said it
spring radish
fire/burn aspect boons would be awesome
static wadi
anyway we wost see any new gods
spring radish
you sure? I think it's possible
white forge
What role would they fill though?
spring radish
seems like the new weapon is up next based on the Long Winter trailer 👀
static wadi
no dev was saying Demeter would be last
spring radish
oh really? Damn
white forge
aww, ok
opal lodge
Maybe DLC or additional content beyond 1.0 but I think for full release they've said there are no more god boons being added?
spring radish
I can still hope 🙏
spring radish
I'd pay for DLC in the game in a heartbeat
white forge
Also, Aries is Best God
opal lodge
Cerberus Armor DLC
spring radish
This has surpassed Slay the Spire as the Early Access Roguelite king
white forge
OOh, controversial
spring radish
although Slay the Spire still is an awesome game
static wadi
i'm not sure there will be dlc
static wadi
i mean i dont remeber any games had that
spring radish
I'm an Isaac nut more than anything
white forge
I dunno, I can't think right now which i prefer
spring radish
around 500 hours in that game
white forge
I used to love isaac so much, but nowadays i dunno, i just don't feel it
uneven pilot
If there's going to be a DLC make so you can play as Thanatos
static wadi
well i played tboi a lot too
spring radish
I'm very excited for the Isaac DLC this year
static wadi
but i just stuck
white forge
I have a similar playtime, but now it feels just boring hinestly
maybe it's because it feels a bit slow and samey
spring radish
I get that, but you still got 500 hours out of a $20 game
white forge
Greed mode is still fun. because its a bit faster and more hectic
Aw yeah, i don't regret buying it for a second
spring radish
there have def been games like Hades to improve on the Isaac formula, but Isaac is still a gem
static wadi
well it way more cheaper for our country
spring radish
and it does a few things better than any roguelite I've played
fiery pebble
I wonder, are SGG going to ask for Suggestions in the suggestion channel again in the future?
spring radish
Apollo boons or steam refund 😈
white forge
what do you mean?
static wadi
I just realised i never tried Chiron build with special damage
i only used to play with some stacks
spring radish
gonna play a run rn, any builds I should aim for?
static wadi
like poison or doom
spring radish
I was thinking of going for the Demeter x Artemis duo
white forge
I'm in looove with DOT effects, which is why i love hungover and doom so much
spring radish
Doom is dope
trim surge
artemis worst girl 
white forge
just hit and run, and keep distance when necessary
hallow cargo
doom isn't a dot tho
static wadi
Poison is better
spring radish
Aphrodite is the true waifu and you are a coward if you say otherwise
candid pine
I have managed to make the lyre sound good!
hallow cargo
we haven't met an aries tho
spring radish
Dionysus is best boy
hallow cargo
only ares
static wadi
All olympian gods not worth even a part of Bouldy
white forge
I mean, what causes more pain and suffering than love?
static wadi
Bouldy best girl
spring radish
I just learned today you can give Bouldy nectar
static wadi
Fight me
white forge
oh yeah
spring radish
does he give you a keepsake? I'm missing one and not sure who it's from
white forge
how didn't i realise that
static wadi
no he doesnt
white forge
spelling is a thing
static wadi
where did u have ur keepsake@spring radish
spring radish
damn who am I missing then? Does Hades?
hallow cargo
n
static wadi
Patrocles or Tomatos mb
white forge
either way, Aresdite is the ultimate ship, and i will fight you on that
hallow cargo
did you get than?
spring radish
lemme open up the game, I'll put a screenshot in spoilers
hallow cargo
or are you missing demeter?
spring radish
nope I have Demeter
white forge
hades does yeah
trim surge
bouldy gives you a passive bonus for the run
white forge
have a keepsake
hallow cargo
wait what
spring radish
also what does Ambrosia do?
hallow cargo
no?
static wadi
@spring radish Butterfly from Tomatos or Spearpoint from Patrocles
spring radish
only for trading? or higher up support gifts
hallow cargo
ambrosia is used for higher-end support, and then for boosting certain items
trim surge
You use Ambrosia to romance ||King Theseus||
hallow cargo
you need 55, right?
static wadi
@hallow cargo more
white forge
nvm, hades doesn't have one
static wadi
oh u mean upgrade?
white forge
You can give him it though
hallow cargo
i thought it was 1 per unlock, then 10 to max out the keepsakes?
static wadi
upgrade 55 yes
opal lodge
How dare this game try and make me choose between chaos portal and hammer 😠 I'll choose CHAOS everytime
white forge
hmm
split mauve
chaos is almost always good
hallow cargo
where does the more come in then gznm?
white forge
Chaos is so good
it feels a bit op sometimes tbh
especially with the nyx keepsake
you can just get heals forever
near canopy
Man wtf
trim surge
there's an opportunity cost
trim surge
Darkness in runs is not the greatest feeling
static wadi
but yes Chaos is op dude sometimes https://prnt.sc/qrl1yl
trim surge
Darkness troves, darkness at shops...
static wadi
that's why Apollo not cool
white forge
gotta say, I don't get the point of the randomised chamber rewards upgrade
static wadi
cus he cant be cool in the place is made of darkness
mortal juniper
What is the prize given by the third boss?
white forge
it seems like it'd just be a downgrade, since you don't get what you want, right?
static wadi
@mortal juniper Ambrosia
trim surge
randomised chamber rewards upgrade
?
trim surge
well you always take HP over coin
mortal juniper
@static wadi But I can't give it to anyone like normal ambrosia
static wadi
at high heat - yes
trim surge
seems like the optimal pick by far
white forge
I can't remember the exact namr
static wadi
@mortal juniper u will be able later that
white forge
but one of the mirror upgrades says "X% chance to randomly alter chamber rewards"
static wadi
@white forge it last
white forge
which seems like it'd just be a downside
mortal juniper
@static wadi Later progress or later update?
white forge
ahhhh
trim surge
Gem room is 20 coins, that's 5 coins above a golden vase 
static wadi
but it also gems!
mortal juniper
@static wadi Thanks and what are the fish for?
tawny patio
5 / 10 gems is too little to fight for though
static wadi
fps?
tawny patio
10 darkness = 1.2 keys; while 5 gems = 0.5 keys only.
mortal juniper
@static wadi thanks for the info
static wadi
and i dont need any key
white forge
First person Shooter
tawny patio
I mean you can just trade keys for gems at the Wretched Broker
white forge
Well, Doom in hades is also an amazingly good status effect
tawny patio
2 keys = 20 gems if he offers
tawny patio
yeah that's a bummer.
static wadi
is it a joke
anyway i need much more gems and diamonds
and i already finished 20 heat with shield
and cant get more bounties
white forge
oooooh
desicions, desicions
25% dodge chance, 3 extra dashes, or 30% faster attack...
static wadi
@white forge what weap
white forge
sword, with doom on hit
unique river
https://i.imgur.com/Xb5ZKGa.jpg 
I couldn't see anything during the last fight
static wadi
@white forge Dired missfortune?
white forge
curse of agony
static wadi
@white forge i mean do u have dired missfortune?
white forge
oh, no
spring raptor
of course cursed slash gets buffed right after I get it for the first time lol
clear marsh
what are "olympian aid boons" 100 runs and no idea what the boons under that category are lol
static wadi
@clear marsh Call?
clear marsh
didnt know thats what the calls were, i guess its in the name just always think of them as calls lol. thanks
agile saddle
Are enemies in Styx supposed to stagger when you hit them? Because I get poisoned by satyrs and attacked by rats all the time in the middle of attacking them
clear marsh
not supposed to stagger
static wadi
grats]
peak raven
Asphodel is the least favorite part of the game imo
static wadi
okay gl everyone see you soon
white forge
waves
tall juniper
Dog is always good
sharp parcel
that's for #h1-story-discussion
opal lodge
Find out, on the next episode of...
white forge
dragonball Z
cosmic heart
Is it OK that I bought game at 27 Jan and already have almost 20h in and can't stop thinking about this game? 
livid cargo
thats alright
zinc cipher
If anyone's interested to know; xQc who is currently the most subbed streamer on twitch is currently playing!
Should bring in a nice amount of people and attraction to the game.
agile saddle
yesterday i started a heat 4 run and today after the update i am on heat 7. If i finish this run will i be on heat 5 with spear or heat 8? cause if it skips to heat 8 then i better end my run early cause i would miss out on blood/diamond/ambrodsia
agile saddle
i dont wanna miss out on items for heat 5/6 also its gonna be super wierd getting to heat 7 and getting no items
since i just got to elysium
damn ok. yeah i dont wanna mess up the heat gauge i will restart
jolly haven
no you don't lose out on items
doing a heat above your current min raises the gauge by 1
agile saddle
oh well already ended the run. it was pretty bad anyways. had 3 god boons XD
in elysium
agile saddle
i have went through tartarus and asphodel with no chaos before. just never showed up
minor grove
XQC Playing the game PogU
spring drum
Can Hangover crit?
tawny patio
Probably can't
wicked sail
i never had it happen so i dont think so
tender tulip
Yeah I can't say I've noticed it happen either
proud orbit
It can if you have pressure points
minor hornet
you shouldn't rely on that, though, because if it's from pressure points it'll be once every 20 ticks it procs for two ticks
which, uh
isn't that helpful
statistically
tender tulip
For sure
deep pivot
Remember that it can stack 5 times so you never know
mental sleet
quick question: is Hermes evasion boon chance a flat bonus or a bonus on your already have chance
spring radish
any boons worth grabbing for Aphrodite's cast?
flat vapor
fully loaded and swift cast, plus just any weakness boons from aphro
arty has great cast related boons, and demeter has her chill burst on cast boon, which helps proc privileged status and is pretty strong on its own right
stray jay
Not sure how this happened or how to recreate it, but I just beat Alecto and she totally just T-posed and disappeared instead of her death animation. Really wish I had thought to take a screenshot quickly enough.
agile saddle
what do i need to do to give Dusa ambrosia?
agile saddle
i use a controller
unborn spoke
look at the loadout
agile saddle
huh?
unborn spoke
button load out
unborn spoke
now that i don't know lol i just started giving her stuff and things went on from there
agile saddle
i have talked to he but my codex says strengthen relationship
agile saddle
yeah thats what i have been using gems on since i have completed the actual in stage stuff
unborn spoke
i still got to get more stuff
but i think once you get things going more stuff opens up
livid cargo
@stray jay she was attempting to assert dominance, even in death
stray jay
Truly.
agile saddle
is it just me or is aspect of Zues for shield super weak?
livid cargo
oh i forget what that does
agile saddle
u throw your shield out andf it stays out doing some damage ina n aoe around it then comes back to you. or if it hits a wall
its super slow. the damage is low and if an enemy moves then u have to call it back
livid cargo
seems good for bosses, though
agile saddle
3 of 4 bosses move constantly
livid cargo
this is true
worthy lotus
haven't unlocked it but i've been told it's like mini blade rift?
agile saddle
yeah but it blocks projectiles
its just too slow too low damage and calling it back caus ean enemy moves is also slow
though when u call it back it chases u till it hits u so u can have it trail behind u if u dasha lot
mint prism
is there any planned release for Hades onto native Linux?
livid cargo
Any ports would happen after full launch
agile saddle
i feel like the Achilles aspect for spear is weak too. like 2 hits is nothing even if its +150% damage. it should be in seconds like the Nemesis sword aspect
lone shoal
omg why demeter boons are so trash
agile saddle
i hate her cast. i took it once and sold it
lament hare
I like Demeters boons
lone shoal
clown chill effect with "slow" does nothing to bosses
agile saddle
i hate casts thats dont stick in enemies cause u dont get blood bonus damage
well i like Dios cause the mini stun
lone shoal
i want to start with 150 extra gold
and even if i die on 1st floor, she appears again with her clown cast
agile saddle
Clown cast 
minor hornet
I do want to say demeter has some wildly overpowered boons, but I understand that you are frustrated that she's showing up
agile saddle
hey at least if u get an epic of her cast u can sell it for the customs pact
i love getting Artemis call. I just chunked a boss cause i got it twice. if it crits when u level it up its crazy
heady kite
question since i am a new player, is demeter locked behind beating the game or something?
modern crag
She unlocks after you get to the surface and fight them I think. Not beat them. I met her and I haven't beaten the game yet. Just gotten up there.
Unless that's been changed
spring drum
Is there any strategy or hidden mechanic behind rerolling rooms?
unborn spoke
i think its random
modern crag
^
If I could get samples from different players I could check on that. But it's prob random
unborn spoke
yay water flurish ❤️
wicked sail
so.. i need to be reminded never to not choose athena when i go into a double room in Elysium . cause i swear to go the exalted are impossible to kill cause athena keeps shielding them when they start reviving
modern crag
Whenever I go into a room it's almost always Poseidon and someone else. And every time I pick the other guy because it would suck to have to fight enemies with Hangover or smth else
wicked sail
i have a low dmg build atm. it was hard to kill them before they were shielded
modern crag
Oof
wicked sail
i have a high dodge build cause i have been wanthing to try that
wicked sail
i havent been too lucky with dmg this build sadly
lament hare
Whenever I go into a room it's almost always Poseidon and someone else. I literally just entered a double room and poseidon is one of the choices 😄
lone shoal
double rooms appear when you have boons from both gods
so, you can not pick Poseidon`s boons
to prevent this
unborn spoke
I love his water dash
vagrant atlas
yeesss
I just got that one tonight and it's so helpful
I made it out of Tartarus for the first time tonight haha
unborn spoke
haha
lone shoal
actually, the best thing you can get from Poseidon is +60% bounty from rooms
unborn spoke
his water dash is very nice
lone shoal
Poseidon\Zeus combo works nice
if you pick Poseidon attack, you can add 2 modifiers to this
destruction and lightning, so it applies 2 debuffs with every shot
vagrant atlas
are Zeus modifiers more powerful than Poseidon? Cuz I feel like Poseidon's are really good
random sandal
is it as good as it looks?
split mauve
absolutely
agile saddle
full release should be 2020 but i wouldn't expect it before Q3
random sandal
oh wow
random sandal
tight
novel radish
honestly surprised at how clean it feels, my computer is noisy but i haven't seen any framerate drops or anything
just picked it up the other day bc i also couldn't wait any longer
vagrant atlas
@random sandal it's pretty hard but it's super fun
split mauve
I would say the early game is pretty tough, but once you get some upgrades going it becomes easier
never easy, but easier
random sandal
good
vagrant atlas
I love the art style, everything is so beautiful
random sandal
the harder the better for roguelikes for me
vagrant atlas
even when you're in Tartarus lol
split mauve
well sometimes easy
if you just get a crazy build
agile saddle
i mean the game technically gets harder after your first clear cause pact of punishment
split mauve
pact of punishment isn't all that bad until high heat
novel radish
just landed my first clear
is there a place to dump congrats screen screenshots
im hype
vagrant atlas
nice!
vagrant atlas
ha ha yeah right (for me at least lmao)
novel radish
i picked up chaos shield at aspect level 1
i got a little out of the second shield but honestly
bull rush is just so good
agile saddle
u will get better it's just a time thing. u will find certain weps u fall into better or gods u like the boons of more
novel radish
it feels a bit stupid
last boss is so much easier with blocking than everything else
agile saddle
Athena is a good person to pick up early as dash deflect is super useful
novel radish
i know other weapons are all really good in their own ways, but i wonder if sword could benefit from a defensive move of some sort
vagrant atlas
I think Athena has the one that helps you take less damage from traps and I wish that were a permanent thing lol
agile saddle
i take the pact for +400% trap damage
vagrant atlas
amazing
opal lodge
Yeah, once you can avoid traps, that's some easy heat to add
novel radish
yeah i picked up nemesis
i got to phase 2 last boss with it + cursed edge or whatever, the Daedalus upgrade that heals you on each hit
opal lodge
Nemesis Sword with hammer upgrade for dash attack hits twice, with artemis dash and (if lucky) chaos dash attack upgrade, you hit for like 300-600 per dash attack, it's *chef kiss
split mauve
I was taking heightened security
but I stopped after losing a run to it
I'm just clumsy
agile saddle
I prefer Spear and Hera bow.
vagrant atlas
I feel like the bow is hard to use for close attacks
split mauve
hell mode is looking kinda nice without budget cuts
agile saddle
as bow u should always be moving u have range
vagrant atlas
true true, I should probs try it again
novel radish
bow just feels slow to me
calm hawk
It's a tough nut to crack at first jpeg
novel radish
kind of feels like lower dps than shield even IME
calm hawk
once you get the groove going again though
agile saddle
bow is slow but its safe and has some bomb ass hammer upgrades
calm hawk
huh
opal lodge
Hera Bow can be stupid damage though
agile saddle
Hammer is meant to be rare
calm hawk
Honestly I'm surprised that there isn't a keepsake
sinful reef
calm hawk
@agile saddle nah mate, I can get max hammers almost every run
agile saddle
i got 2 last run and 1 before that
calm hawk
might take a little longer sometimes, but I wouldn't exactly call it rare
novel radish
i don't have permissions to post in hades-feedback
just joined the discord
assume it's like a num messages sent kind of thing?
split mauve
nope
sinful reef
The pinned messages tell you how to get in
agile saddle
also a hammer keepsake wouldn't make sense in the context of god keepsakes as hammer abilities dont have rarities
novel radish
got it ty
sure, pretty fair, although you can imagine there's some way to tune that
calm hawk
uh
novel radish
chaos and hermes keepsakes are also kind of alt
agile saddle
chaos keepsake makes them have a higher rarity like all god keepsakes
split mauve
and you can't gift daedalus
cause he isn't there when you get a hammer
opal lodge
But if he did have a keepsake...it'd be a pretty golden mask right 😉
novel radish
looks like it was already suggested https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/525022184280948736/527310239318409239
split mauve
I feel like that's too drastic
calm hawk
What about as first boss reward guarantee?
novel radish
you can get multiple hammer upgrades per run right? assuming they've changed that, or that poster was just incorrect
calm hawk
Tartarus is where you figure out how a run might go, getting it before asphodel means you have an idea on how your run will well, run
You can get two
two is the max
agile saddle
first boss gives blood or darkness
opal lodge
In like 80% of the runs if you miss hammer rooms until the end right before the first boss, boatsman usually sells it
novel radish
also, unrelated but how do yall prioritize shadow rooms
unborn spoke
i just go room to room.....
agile saddle
shadow rooms?
novel radish
for first clear i got 1k and i basically have all the upgrades i want maxed out before the rarity ones
novel radish
like, do you still care about getting shadow as a resource
agile saddle
darkness? later on no
opal lodge
Not really >.>
novel radish
feels like i'll be gated by keys for a long time
vagrant atlas
that's the purple diamond things right
novel radish
ah oops darkness yea
agile saddle
its a moot resource quickly
vagrant atlas
ah
split mauve
darkness yes
vagrant atlas
I mean get them for rn but I'm still leveling up
calm hawk
So are keys
agile saddle
after mirror is maxed it has no use
novel radish
15 runs in, 1 clear, and i feel like i'll never outpace darkness with keys
calm hawk
There's like a prophecy that gives you 20 keys
agile saddle
keys can be used at broker
calm hawk
Once you reach the point of that prophecy, you're basically set
novel radish
oh i'm a while away from max mirror but the last 3ish upgrades feel not super urgent anyway
opal lodge
If anything, I need more GEMS so I can make everything pretty!
vagrant atlas
I read somewhere a tip that said never save up your darkness or keys and to just spend them all whenever you can
split mauve
gems are very important
gotta get that aphrodite poster
novel radish
right like double dash, death defiances, and extra hp/cash -> after that everything feels pretty low pri
calm hawk
doesn't have to be a fun convertion ratio, just as a darkness sink for those drowning in darkness
novel radish
yeah more darkness sinks seems right i guess
vagrant atlas
I just realized that you can redecorate the house and I got unreasonably excited lol
regal holly
the spear is so fun
vagrant atlas
it's a beast
regal holly
just got the special is an explosion for the first time
opal lodge
Spear is my worst weapon x.x
regal holly
its so good
agile saddle
Darkness gives +5 max health if u build that upgrade but its a wasted room. i used a fated if it darkness or keys
novel radish
yeah i thought about getting that upgrade but
feels like not very good?
you already get +3 hp per chamber
agile saddle
u will get all the upgrades so
vagrant atlas
yeaaahhh buy it ALL
novel radish
yeah, i honestly couldn't tell which diamond upgrade was best so i just traded 2 in for a titan blood to pick up guan yu
agile saddle
its a construction thing not a mirror thing
calm hawk
@novel radish It's not totally useless, especially since it's 5 MAX hp
opal lodge
Yeah, go harry potter on that trolley
vagrant atlas
yeah build it ALL
agile saddle
spear is my 2nd favorite weapon but i think Achilles aspect is underpowered even at max
it should be on a time like nemesis aspect especially if u get flurry upgrade
agile saddle
my least favorites are shield and railgun
unborn spoke
ya but most things dmg fall off 😦
vagrant atlas
I haven't unlocked the gun yet
opal lodge
Ho baby, don't get me started on mah boi the adamant rail
vagrant atlas
the shield throw is kinda cool
opal lodge
Do you like critting bosses for 1.5k - 2k? Then maxxed Hera aspect is for you!
agile saddle
i once got the gun rocket upgrade and just stopped shooting it and only using that
opal lodge
150 base damage on first shot, that's insane x.x
agile saddle
Hera bow is my favorite. loading in 3 or 4 casts is fun
calm hawk
0
opal lodge
and if you remap reload to left bumper, it becomes waaay more playable
amber garden
takes Adamant Rail with fully upgraded Zag aspect
First Hammer: 3 round burst with no reloading
sighs deeply
novel radish
hey, how do you unlock companions?
opal lodge
Oof T.T
novel radish
do you just spam nectars at someone until they give it to u
agile saddle
u give them 6 nectar then do a quest and give them ambrosia
opal lodge
Yeah, 3 round burst is kinda a lame hammer upgrade when it nombos with 2 aspects
unborn spoke
nice
agile saddle
the quest is hidden like its not gonna tell u
unborn spoke
thats what i had just a moment ago
novel radish
ok, that's kind of annoying, so i'll only go for one companion for now
which one is the best atm?
unborn spoke
i want the unlimited ammo but NOT just the delta bs
opal lodge
BOULDY ❤️
agile saddle
only 5 people are companions
unborn spoke
ive not gotten any yet
agile saddle
6th is not unlocked yet
novel radish
which one is bouldy lol