so that makes no sense
#h1-discussion
hexed smelt
static wadi
@rancid compass do u have aspects already?
hexed smelt
sword: stygius, blade of the underworld (also known as the stygian blade)
shield: aegis, the shield of chaos
bow: coronacht, the heart-seeking bow
spear: varatha, the eternal spear
rail: exagryph, the adamant rail
rocky crypt
Shield is Aegis
static wadi
spear goes between sword and shield!
rancid compass
after just saying bow seems weaker i've started a bow run that's pretty damn powerful so far
static wadi
try Hera with Dio cast
rancid compass
hunter's dash, support fire, sniper shot and curse of pain in the first few rooms of tartarus
echo tangle
are the enemies on elysium supposed to have so much health or am I building incorretly?
static wadi
triple cast just strong as bomb
echo tangle
it takes so long to clear a room it's painful
static wadi
mb u just doing it wrong
rancid compass
man having doom on the special for bow is great
brisk trail
I wanted to say Coronacht in which you can hit once with attack, mark an enemy and then spam with special.
static wadi
yes
rocky flume
elysium is hard, can't get out of it
hexed smelt
no
static wadi
it's chiron
hexed smelt
that's chiron
hexed smelt
coronacht is the name of the bow itself
static wadi
coronacht is same for all bow
brisk trail
Always gets me, with the names. lol
trail stag
@rocky flume How much darkness are you using?
rocky flume
maybe i used 300 so far
trail stag
@rocky flume Elysium is a pretty big difficulty jump, you're pretty weak at the moment so just keep at it 🙂 Took me 15 runs to actually win
rocky flume
15 overall or just Elysium ?
rancid compass
yeah i find elysium to be harder than the area after
brisk trail
Maybe they gonna nerf a bit down the Elysium when/if they add a new map later?
Somewhat like a blanace, maybe.
No idea.
I really like Elysium, I just hate the shield guys and most of all the wheel skulls which meowing like cats when they see you.
With time limit and wrong footing, the shield warriors can be a huge pain and waste of time.
With just taking your sweet time and going behind them it's easy.
static wadi
@brisk trail flame wheel can be destroyed if u dash through wall
rancid compass
the shield guys are the real final boss of this game
static wadi
and shield
brisk trail
lmao
static wadi
u just let them attack
and dash far
and after their combo - u back and have ur revenge
rocky flume
the wheel guy with a bomb, i really hate him
rocky flume
they are too fast
rocky flume
that what i'm doing, but they are too many to
rancid compass
you can dash around and make them run in circles
if you do it right they can't hit you
odd bramble
The intended way to deal with flamewheels is running them into hazards.
You can dash through small walls
rancid compass
huh
rocky flume
i dash from one group and find another group
brisk trail
I found out with Are's Blades on Dash or Dionysus' Poison on Dash again, it's kinda tolerated to bait them in to chasing you + let them slam themselves hard on the wall.
trail stag
@rocky flume 16th run was my first full game clear, but it took most of those tries to beat elysium, it's by far the hardest area.
rocky flume
i hope i'll finish it
trail stag
you'll finish it definitely
trail stag
it's gonna get easier and easier
static wadi
did it
rancid compass
dionysus's dash with the slow effect works wonders on them
brisk trail
Imagine getting spam with Chiron's special after an attack, with poison, dash poison and expose/doom , though I think doom will just overwrite poison.
And slow.
I really loved that bow.
static wadi
doom and poison also proc mirror skill for cursing right>
ember stirrup
Yes
static wadi
so it means more dmg
hushed lagoon
I personally use Zag because I don't like reloading.
midnight salmon
eris aspect seems neat though extra damage? but extra bullets are always good
hushed lagoon
If you're willing to gamble on picking up Infinity Chamber, Eris is busted.
I like Zag because it's easier to force Boons through Keepsakes. Currently there is no way to force Daedalus Hammers.
flat vapor
eris is great for any build since it's a global damage buff
zag is just Good™️ (but it's obsolete with infinity chamber, unfortunately)
brisk trail
I think I liked Hestia very much, just getting used to the annoying reloading in the middle, but literally everything else is okay with it.
hushed lagoon
"Obsolete with Infinity Chamber" is true, but don't discount how much easier it makes life without it.
The parts leading up to Infinity Chamber are still there.
Assuming you get an Infinity Chamber drop in the first place.
proud orbit
There's always a chance to reload in my experience so I find both Zag and Infinity Chamber aren't useful
Then again Hestia bias
hushed lagoon
I keep getting Hestia rounds using Zag Aspect. I don't know what triggers it and it's very confusing when I randomly nail something with 150 damage.
proud orbit
F10 that lol
hushed lagoon
I did!
proud orbit
Stay away from my hestia rounds you Zagreus user!
proud orbit
It's okay Hestia has issues too
Sometimes it just fires two empowered shots
It's probably the same issue
hushed lagoon
That's the Dash Attack interaction, I think
proud orbit
It isn't supposed to do that
hushed lagoon
regarding your "sometimes" implying that you didn't know what causes it
bitter valve
or rather every aspect
midnight salmon
does the pimped butterfly damage increase go away if you equip something else?
hushed lagoon
Yes.
midnight salmon
dang
hushed lagoon
also it's probably autocorrect but "pimped" butterfly made me lol
The only Keepsake that continues providing benefit after it's unequipped is the Coin Purse
because it just... gives you money.
proud orbit
Well you get to keep the god boons from the god trinkets too~
midnight salmon
lol ty
yeah thats true idk my theorycraft was to play the first couple floors with butterfly and then switch off it
bitter valve
have you met hermes
midnight salmon
yea
hushed lagoon
arguably better
midnight salmon
yeah, i thought the same with his too
but if the bonus doesnt last when you switch it out its too bad
i thought i could be cheeky by stacking them early and benefitting late
hexed smelt
you lose the bonuses if you switch the keepsake out for another
midnight salmon
yea
hushed lagoon
I mean, you can stack them early and benefit from them late. You just have to keep them on you.
midnight salmon
yeah lol but i mean switch them out for something more useful like eurydice or cerberus collar
bitter valve
there is a technically better version of cerberus collar
midnight salmon
in keepsake form?
bitter valve
yeah
midnight salmon
what is it
bitter valve
saves you a lot more hp than the collar
broken spearpoint I think is the full name
you get it from the npc in elysium if you haven't met them yet
midnight salmon
what does that do again?
static wadi
u get hit and get shield after
bitter valve
gives you invulnerability for 1.5 secs at max rank when you get hit
static wadi
also there is good one from euro
rancid compass
is getting the sack for cerberus random to which place it's in
sand hinge
That has been my experience!
flat vapor
yes
hushed lagoon
Cerberus' Collar is best for general purpose defense.
Broken Speartip is best if you find you're getting dogpiled and/or chain-hit by projectiles.
Evergreen Acorn is best if you have no issue with rooms but are having trouble fighting bosses.
sand hinge
Same, my last run had the sack in the very last tunnel I picked :C
proud orbit
In my experience broken spear is just the best since usually when you take damage its cause you somehow ended up in the thick of it so to speak
hexed smelt
i've gotten it in the second door i picked sometimes
hushed lagoon
I've gotten it on the first door I picked exactly once.
And then the one time I tried the Timer Pact, it was in the last room.
Fighting Hades in a blind panic because I only had two minutes to do so was not fun.
sand hinge
I have a question about giving nectar - some entries have a ❤️ and then "..." or a clock on them. What do those mean?
hexed smelt
the ones with a clock haven't been implemented yet, you need to wait for Future Updates™️
hushed lagoon
The ones with a lock require you to talk to them X amount of times before you can continue the relationship.
sand hinge
I think one of my favorite parts of the game is gathering and giving nectar and seeing the reaction I get.
But I don't think I can give any more nectar to certain characters. I don't even have the option anymore, so maybe I just have to wait for the next update and see if they're implemented?
hushed lagoon
Again, it depends. Either the higher levels of relationship haven't been implemented yet or you need to progress to a certain level in the story and/or their personal quest.
In either case, you cannot give them any more Nectar.
static wadi
@sand hinge ||or maybe they need ambrosia||
hushed lagoon
Eagerly awaiting the secret endgame of Hades where it's just a dating simulator.
hexed smelt
you mean it isn't one already??
midnight salmon
dusagreus
rancid compass
can't wait til you can romance charon
hushed lagoon
I just want him to bone me ❤️
midnight salmon
lmao this railgun with zeus auto attack i swear
static wadi
coins is all he loves
rancid compass
stone cold capitalist
static wadi
@midnight salmon add support fire
sand hinge
@static wadi I don't even have that option either, though I had considered that
rancid compass
doesn't see the need to speak since it doesn't give him any coin
sand hinge
So I think I just reached the end of that particular character thus far
static wadi
@sand hinge it will may be able later if u make some conditions
hushed lagoon
Support Fire, Zeus Attack, and whatever the Flurry upgrade is from the Daedalus Hammer = good times and good dakka
sand hinge
Ohhh I see I see
wraith cipher
if a heart has a clock on it in the codex that means it will be added llater
static wadi
also it's avaliable only for 4 chars now
midnight salmon
LOL support fire holy
static wadi
now just dont die
rancid compass
can't believe i can't romance skelly yet
sand hinge
Skelly is best bro
brisk trail
@rancid compass What kind of romance would that be? lol
rancid compass
him calling me boyo as i caress his bald head
brisk trail
- Zagreus : Hey, Skelly, what's up?
- Skelly : You kno' whaz up, boyo!
- Zagreus : Uhhh.....what?
- Skelly : Oolright! Giggity giggity goo!
- Zagreus : What the...
- Skelly : HIEEET ME!
rancid compass
yeah that but lovingly
brisk trail
Gotta say, I enjoyed the quality time with Meg, would like to be able to enjoy quality time with Dusa.
strange kite
Skelefriggers go back to Undertale
proud orbit
Imagine being Darren and having to say both lines of a Zagreus/Skelly romance
wind rivet
Skelly romance is definately one with complicated themes
rancid compass
what would you guys say is the best aspect for rail and shield
i've having trouble picking and don't wanna waste titan blood
proud orbit
Hestia and Chaos
brisk trail
Rail, Hestia is good - if I am not mistaken again with the names lol - for shield "Chaos Shield" definitely for me.
static wadi
i do not rly like any rail aspects
rancid compass
tbh i normally reload before the clip runs out anyway
i'm not fussed about a bigger clip size
static wadi
and shield all looks useless without max upgrade
proud orbit
brisk trail
We're like Patrick Stewart and Thomas in that party, that Patrick didn't know anyone and asked from Thomas to be his social lifeguard.
static wadi
it's slooooooowly flies in one direction
and stop after 2-3 seconds and spins on 1 place
and slooooooowly comes back
strange kite
If you want to test spend the titan blood, try it on our beloved skelly then exit game without leaving the room. The game won't save and you'll have your titan blood back.
static wadi
good to proc some debuf
rancid compass
@strange kite thanks i didn't think of that
static wadi
with athena can protect u
strange kite
And you can use your shield when Zeus's special is out
brisk trail
Terraplant just proved to everyone that he was the pimpy smart kid in school, that's amazing idea, since each time changing a room the game auto-saves.
But if you never leave, it won't save.
rancid compass
oo i like zeus's aspect
seems like it could be great for elysium when you're being chased
brisk trail
@rancid compass - Skelly : HIEEET ME!!!
static wadi
@strange kite as i remeber even if u spend some blood start run and surrender in a half way - blood will return
brisk trail
I think Skelly would have the time of his life in the Elysium.
strange kite
No need for damage reduction if you don't get hit
rancid compass
having a stationary trap seems pretty useful
midnight salmon
15% DR is cheeky
static wadi
@midnight salmon add athena add aphro
midnight salmon
is DR additive? cause you could stack dionysus 20% under 40% hp, aphrodite's, athenas
static wadi
and u may have almost 50
midnight salmon
achilles 40%
rancid compass
-throw zeus's shield
-dash around so it never reaches back to you
-constant back protection
static wadi
@rancid compass it's hard to control it tbh
strange kite
It stops at some point
midnight salmon
i just like 15% dr
simple and effective
maybe im crazy
zagreus aspects are so good. zagreus spear and shield man
rancid compass
yeah me too
brisk trail
Damn it, Hades game is SO perfect, can't get enough of it...
midnight salmon
true
brisk trail
And I also want to play AC Odyssey - Fate of Atlantis again.
midnight salmon
id rather not be hit
brisk trail
But I can';t...
Like, I really loved that game - forgive me, everyone, I know it's about hades here.
So, Hades game is awesome. lol
strange kite
You can feel the early access at some points but it's very promising for the future
brisk trail
I mean, for Early Access it REALLY put many other devs in to total and huge shame.
rancid compass
hestia aspect seems good for rail but it's pretty pointless with the infinite clip hammer upgrade
proud orbit
||Hydra|| feels so early access
brisk trail
The content it has is great.
rancid compass
and that works so well with so many boons
rancid compass
yeah i can't believe this game isn't a finished product when it's this good
proud orbit
@rancid compass simple don't take infinity chamber
brisk trail
Best part? Even when I finished it in like 2 days, I still am returning to it and playing and discovering/doing new things.
rancid compass
yeah but it's great with zeus's boons etc with jolt
never having to reload and constant firing
strange kite
Rail + Support Fire
proud orbit
Yeah but when do you get to stand still and fire more than 12 shots
strange kite
Name a better team
brisk trail
I really start to believe Supergiant Games are serious, educated and good people, who want to give people quality.
rancid compass
yeah that's a good point
brisk trail
And Hades is quality.
proud orbit
You can reload while moving
But you can't shoot while moving
That's why I don't take it ever uwu
static wadi
proud orbit
@strange kite Hestia and Heartbreak Strike
hushed lagoon
that's a lotta boons!!!
i should have screencapped the run where i only had one boon
hexed smelt
i'm not gonna lie, i kinda wish they'd axed infinity chamber and kept cooling chamber
rancid compass
do you have to finish the run entirely to get the flaming skull with pact of punishment
brisk trail
Things I've noticed in Hades :
- No microtransactions and bs.
- Good and interesting story which YOU discover and that's amazing!
- Almost perfectly accurate presentations of the Gods, but going with their original ideas they seem fresh and nice!
- Interesting and addicting gameplay - seriously tho
- Nice music.
- Nice art.
- Nice voice acting, no cringe moments.
I hope it stays the same and they keep it clean like this.
hexed smelt
cooling chamber was way more interesting as a mechanic
strange kite
The most early access moment of the game for me is the ||locked doors at the left of the path you enter||
brisk trail
- Terraplant : What's in the doors??? What's in the effing doors!!!!!
rancid compass
@brisk trail also the fact that this game is so original in concept
brisk trail
- Hades : Dusa.
rancid compass
i haven't played anything simllar to this and i love dungeon crawlers and roguelikes
hexed smelt
guys can we please not
strange kite
I wouldn't call the gameplay orignal, it's basically Bastion on steroids
hushed lagoon
re: VA I actually didn't like Meg's voicework at first but it eventually grew on me
strange kite
But more Bastion is always good
brisk trail
@rancid compass Okay, AC Odyssey is NOT a roguelike - dungeon crawler but have you ever played it? If nope, then I suggest to you to get it on a sale with the dlc : Fate of Atlantis or even both the DLCs : Legacy of the First Blade.
If you dig my Ancient Greek Myths here though
rancid compass
i've tried it and i'm not really interested
rancid compass
the new ac games just don't do it for me anymore
brisk trail
I just hate the microtransactions and punishing/unfair rng on sp game
They've lost me on this, but the games are still lit for me.
static wadi
only game is close to Hades for me is Dead Cells
static wadi
yeah
hexed smelt
#off-topic-discussion is over that way, guys!
static wadi
but it's hard
strange kite
It's really good
static wadi
is it offtopic if we compare Hades with other games?
midnight salmon
what the hell is a "blackguard"
proud orbit
Get hunting blades too!
static wadi
@midnight salmon theseus called you?
strange kite
blackguard
/ˈblaɡɑːd,ˈblaɡəd/
noun
a man who behaves in a dishonourable or contemptible way.
proud orbit
It's an insult calling somebody dishonorable
hexed smelt
it's off-topic once you start discussing other games not in relation to hades, which is where the conversation seemed like it was going!
brisk trail
@proud orbit I think Theseus said way worse things than that to be honest lol
hushed lagoon
Oh whoops
hushed lagoon
Anyways, Blackguard/Blaggard are insults intended to imply not-great things about someone
static wadi
uh
brisk trail
But he has a Macedonian Chariot!
hushed lagoon
Basically calling someone a big smelly jerk
proud orbit
Crank it
static wadi
i'm not sure i even want that blood
proud orbit
What heat you at
static wadi
i play 1 heat
proud orbit
EZ just go to 32 heat
static wadi
i just start new run with 1 random pact thing
proud orbit
Then you're cooking with Phlegethon
static wadi
i'm not that good
static wadi
i will go with shield someday with higer and higher
to get some gems
and so on
but not today
brisk trail
I feel like the timer can screw me over many times than the enemies/bosses combined.
static wadi
i should go ready myself for work
brisk trail
Take care outside, Gznm IV.
hushed lagoon
The timer is much easier to deal with when you know what's coming.
midnight salmon
lmao i love taking 45 minutes to kill theseus because i picked exagryph
hushed lagoon
Given that everything is randomized...
proud orbit
I haven't been able to beat Elysium without running out of time yet
On 30+ heat that is
brisk trail
Ironically, I know what to expect, I still am doing it rather slow or feels too hard. lol Even with chaos shield.
I guess I need the right boons from the start.
proud orbit
You need to take every shop you can to skip as much time as possible
Bizarrely enough I'm sometimes thankful for ||Thanatos|| there
Since he pauses your timer
brisk trail
My best personal time is 19 mins, with no extra help from keepsakes and barely used god's help, but that was without heats.
proud orbit
My best is like 20 min
brisk trail
Yeah, when "he" comes it makes everything static in time.
proud orbit
on 33 heat
strange kite
Exagryph is my best weapon
brisk trail
He's like "Lol, nope, screw you time, screw you, enemies, screw everything."
strange kite
Get lots of Aremis boons and it's a monster
proud orbit
Hestia shreds basically boon less
proud orbit
Muscle memory for me at this point
opaque nexus
@proud orbit Hestia is now my highest level aspect
strange kite
Eris is the empower on special right?
proud orbit
Welcome, welcome
opaque nexus
But that’s because she’s a gold digger and needs all my Titan blood to be viable
wraith cipher
on controller what button do would you recommend mapping reload to?
strange kite
Or is Eris the one that makes the bow attack fire casts?
opaque nexus
No that’s Hera
proud orbit
Eris is empowered if you stand in explodey
strange kite
That's the beach
proud orbit
Soon all will feel the warmth of my Goddess's hearth
All are welcome in the Hestia cult
opaque nexus
She’s a gold digger I tell you you need at least rank 4 for it to be useable
But I like rail so whatever
Poseidon is a true chad tho
Useful at rank 0 and scales well
One of the more “efficient” aspects
proud orbit
Hera is the best for cheap aspects
opaque nexus
Surfer dude may be the worst Olympian but his sword is a real banger of a weapon
And one of the coolest in terms of physical appearance and in-game effect
rancid compass
oh man i just got to the part where you can hear ashley barrett singing
that's super cool
midnight salmon
boom found support fire in a satyr room
opaque nexus
You using rail?
rancid compass
EURYDICE IS SO COOL LOOKING
rancid compass
also levelled up poison on attack and doom on special for rail is probably the most powerful build i've gotten so far
almost immediate max poison with rail is great
midnight salmon
yup
rail + zeus auto + support fire
first win w/ rail
nice
took 48:31 though, my best is 24:53
rancid compass
my first win was ares zeus build with rail
chain damage with jolt on attack and doom on special
wiped out rooms in seconds with the chain damage
i think it was 36 minutes
brisk trail
is it just me or is hades aspect eternal spear really really broken
rancid compass
at what point do you unlock hades aspect
brisk trail
i just killed the heroes in about 30 seconds because i had artemis, aphrodite duo and i crit them both repeatidly for 1.9k
im not sure if its called hades aspect, its the 3rd aspect for the eternal spear
im pretty sure though
proud orbit
It is Hades aspect yes
rancid compass
ah right i was thinking of the fourth aspect
brisk trail
when you do your sweep, it applies a mark that makes you do extra damage
proud orbit
You just need to ||unlock all the weapons and do another run, then you can unlock aspects with titan blood||
If makes your attack do up to 150% extra bonus damage
Wait attack and special
midnight salmon
i rarely use the sweep when spearing
rancid compass
how do you unlock the fourth aspects
midnight salmon
usually i spam the toss
proud orbit
Fourth aspects are unreleased
rancid compass
ah right
midnight salmon
spamming spear toss and dashing like kalista seems insane to me
brisk trail
i had artemis attack, so my sweep could crit, and i had the aphrodite and artemis duo that makes your crits do 50% bonus damage to weakened units
midnight salmon
its so safe and consistent
hexed smelt
"underworld renovations" is "early access" ;P
brisk trail
and then 2 deadalus hammer upgrades that made your sweep recover faster, and gave extra range
and i actually just destroyed the heroes
brisk trail
true
midnight salmon
awww sisyphus is getting bullied by megeara
brisk trail
but yeah its only upgraded to 60% bonus damage and it already crits for 1.9k
something doesnt seem quite right
proud orbit
The bonus damage doesn't apply to the spin however
brisk trail
it doesnt?
brisk trail
but attack buffs apply to sweep?
proud orbit
Yes
proud orbit
Also Artemis and Aphro boon lies to you
It actually increases crit damage by 150%
Because its 50% bonus of 300%
barren rune
Wait, it's not additive?
proud orbit
It's a special case
barren rune
Huuuh.
proud orbit
Just that one is multiplicative
I check the numbers and submitted feedback that it's unclear
Since clean kill is additive
But the wording makes that one multiplicative
humble pulsar
ok that is weird
mortal palm
Isn't there a 30% on Artemis? Is that one only 330% not 390%?
humble pulsar
yeah Clean Kill
proud orbit
And yes
mortal palm
weird
proud orbit
30% clean kill is 330%
proud orbit
It's also only multiplicative on the base
And it gets less accurate somehow the higher it goes
63 base
189 base critical -> 300% damage
199 with clean kill (15%) -> 315.87% damage -> ~15% bonus
282 with heart rend -> 447.62% damage -> ~147% bonus
292 with heart rend + clean kill (15%) -> 463.49% damage -> ~163% bonus
My numbers
Fun fact I was testing this in ||Styx|| and died to tight deadline because I'm stupid and had it on while I was testing this
midnight salmon
i love that thanatos is a sexy anime boy
odd bramble
I think classical description of Thanatos is that he's incredibly beautiful
static wadi
@midnight salmon at least someone same as me said Tomatos is anime boy
hexed smelt
thanatos 
rancid compass
pretty funny as an english person to listen to all the american voice actors in this game doing english accents
odd bramble
Who's doing English impressions? Zagreus... is Artemis?
Achilles
Patroclus I think
green fiber
yes hello, I played this game for the first time on steam. Some bugs have been noted, please see below.
Bug #!: HOLY HECK
Bug #2: LOOK AT ALL THESE GAME MOD OPTIONS
Bug #3: I CAN MAKE RENOVATIONS AND MAKE THE UNDERWORLD ALL PURDY
Bug #4: while High Lord Dad McNeckbeard just sits there
Bug #5: AND THERE ARE MORE NEW PEOPLE TO MEET HELLO NEW PEOPLE
Bug #6: yall really put patroclus in here 10/10 research team. gg.
Bug #7: AND EURYDICE IS A TATTED UP SOUTHERN CHICK WHO DONT NEED NO MAN OH MY GOOD LOOK AT HER
Bug #8: OKAY IMMA GO PLAY MORE NOW BUH BYE
rancid compass
wait he voices hades, poseiden, achilles, asterius and the storyteller
plus charon i guess
barren rune
Was that a review, above? XD
static wadi
f10
odd bramble
Oh yeah, Hades is doing one. Logan's voice for him and the narrator seem a little softer in accent than Zag.
static wadi
ingame
rancid compass
you can definitely tell it's american people putting on british accents but as far as it goes they're definitely doing a decent job
weird hearing someone say mate with a hard T like zagreus does
static wadi
as russian i just scratched my head, said "chto?" and kept playing
also it's good there only subs
are translated
green fiber
buglist is continued in Spoilers. please read at your own risk
proud orbit
Just take piercing fire ez
rancid compass
shoot your special behind him while his shield is up and keep dashing behind him if not
static wadi
midnight salmon
railgun doesnt do enough damage
static wadi
@midnight salmon does it?
midnight salmon
48 minutes rail vs 24 minutes shield
whats your fastest rail time
those are my fastest and fastest
rancid compass
35 minute
static wadi
not enough to kill every enemy with 1 shot mb
rancid compass
and 36 with shield
midnight salmon
okay ive got a 24 shield
does anyone have a lower time with rail
or even a sub 30 time
like anything comparable
this post was made by shield gang
midnight salmon
thats cash
humble pulsar
Eris Aspect
midnight salmon
ill have to run more rail then
odd bramble
I finally completed a Spear run for the prophecy and god it felt so slow to just kill things. Right up until Elysium where I got Flurry Thrust and it was faster than the sword. And in the next room I got Support Fire.
rancid compass
goddamn i did not realise how strong blade could be
this damage is insane with certain buffs
static wadi
had 51% dodge in last fight
rancid compass
that's crazy
static wadi
y
static wadi
sword?
rancid compass
dodge rate
rancid compass
sword damage is crazy good but i just can't survive long having to get so close to fight
i just get screwed when there are more than 4 or 5 people on me in elysium
static wadi
i usually play it like shield
dash attack spamming like mad
it's works
on low heat(
static wadi
25% boon and 26% trinket
humble pulsar
ahhh
yeah pretty sure its not feasibly possible to boost the hermes trinket above 40%
you just dont get enough rooms for that
I suppose if you avoided every shop room, got 0 fountains, and beat every boss within the time limit, then I could see 40%
static wadi
i see no reason
for this 10-15%
it's better look for another hermes
dodge on call
rancid compass
got to final boss with sword and he spawns a bunch of elysium arrow guys to rapid fire arrows
die almost instantly
great
hushed lagoon
If you hit a Strongbow, you'll interrupt its attack.
Alternately, hide behind cover. They'll get upset and reposition.
rancid compass
huh i was attacking and still getting rapid hit
static wadi
they had armor
rancid compass
i thought that they stunlocked on attack too
static wadi
armored cant be stunned
rancid compass
man all of my runs since i last beat it have been making it to the final boss and dying
like 4 times in a row now
static wadi
usual business
rancid compass
tooth?
rancid compass
what
rancid compass
idk what oak thing you're talking about
static wadi
trinket
from euridocs
it's not very usefull vs boss
but can help u save hp in rooms
rancid compass
gonna be honest idk what trinkets are in this game
rancid compass
who do you get it from
static wadi
skelly
rancid compass
ah whoops i've forgotten to give skelly any nectar
static wadi
)
rancid compass
good job
static wadi
without AA
humble pulsar
The Lucky Tooth is considered your last Death Defiance
static wadi
with Zeus dash
rancid compass
pretty sweety
rancid compass
i've just been using black shawl
humble pulsar
It'll show up in your "lives" above your health when you have it. Be warned, if you take off the Lucky Tooth, you lose the extra Death Defiance
rancid compass
extra health is always great
humble pulsar
My personal recommendation for Styx (and the final boss) is the Broken Spearpoint
Its a harder Keepsake to find, but very worth it when you do.
rancid compass
yeah i've got that at least
static wadi
@rancid compass u can take same upgrade in house renovations
rancid compass
i keep forgetting you can switch out keepsakes
humble pulsar
I also recommend the Dog Collar for newer players struggling to beat the final boss cause it can give you up to 50 extra Max Health, which is a big difference in a lot of runs.
rancid compass
during the run
yeah i switched it out after upgrading the mirror bonus to +50 health
humble pulsar
Yeah. I usually like to enter the fourth biome with 250 ish health, and leave it to go to the boss with around 300
if possible
If you're struggling to reach those health values, I recommend taking more Hearts in Elysium.
rancid compass
i've haven't gone into the final fight with more than 250 health
but with high powered rail or shield it hasn't really mattered
humble pulsar
I definitely also recommend taking the Coin Purse in Elysium so you're less tempted to take money rooms to spend on shops, and more inclined to grab Health rooms instead. (That is, assuming you don't need another keepsake to defeat the Elysium boss)
coarse junco
It’s a tossup between the collar and the extra life tbh.
rancid compass
final fight keeps gettin harder with each win
i'm getting screwed over by shielded enemies more and more in the fight
sand hinge
Does it really? Hades gets harder with every win? Is that with the heat gauge or just in general?
humble pulsar
I think they mean the super elite spawns get worse each time :p
which is just bad luck more than it getting purposefully harder
(also spoilers, btw, this is the discussion channel)
brisk trail
I don't think Hades is getting harder with each win, otherwise what's the point of keep playing if he becomes so tough to the point of being unplayable/not fun anymore?
rancid compass
seems like the enemy spawns get harder with each win so far
sand hinge
Oh I see, just bad luck. I BARELY won my first run, so I panicked
static wadi
and before i had gorgon
humble pulsar
Getting the Soul Catcher in the final fight is awful
brisk trail
^
humble pulsar
(or at least dont talk about the final boss by using its name lol)
rancid compass
that's fair
thorny quiver
Good evening! Is there anyone willing to answer a question about Ambrosia? I'm not sure but I might have encountered a bug :c
static wadi
?
thorny quiver
Basically I cannot give Ambrosia to anyone. I've maxed out both Meg and Skelly's heart bar, and I can't give them anymore Nectar. Yet I can't give them Ambrosia either
So I'm stuck :/
static wadi
@thorny quiver u have to make their quest
first
also it may be spoiler for aomeome
thorny quiver
Are they gonna hand it to me after I do something specific? Because it's been a while since I maxed Meg and she just insults me as always.
static wadi
||as i remeber for meg u should win in extreme conditions||
||and sor skelly he ask to free him and kill with zagreus sword aspect max lvl||
thorny quiver
So I don't have to wait for them to tell me what to do? I just go ahead and do it anyway?
thick remnant
The scenarios might not trigger before talking to others though so just talk to everyone and you'll get it eventually
static wadi
||when i 1st or 2nd time beat extreme Meg history start to go ahead and after some runs i finished it||
thorny quiver
Alright, guess I've just been unlucky with the event trigger. Thanks to both of you, you have been so kind ^^
thick remnant
brisk trail
Btw, anyone mapped down a standard way to reach Sisyphus and Patroclus?
Like, super fast.
thick remnant
don't think there is any
brisk trail
Aw man
low phoenix
guys, any idea where can I find detailed art of the Infernal Weapons arts, icons and avatars?
only the boon icons are in the wikia and I dont know how to datamine and look for the assets
Id like to look at their detailed form, both when Zag is holding them and when floating in various angles, id like to see them for references
brisk trail
Not sure and also not sure if devs / mods allows this here, though they support modding, I think you could make the fils in to zip and then extract and see the contents, but not sure 100%.
files*
low phoenix
nono, I dont want to mod anything
just fanart, so id like to see them upclose
winged bear
are the boon dependencies documented anywhere other than the wiki (or even better, datamined from anywhere)?
static wadi
it's literally pain to sell anything
proud orbit
The boon dependencies on the wiki were datamined
static wadi
wiki info is old sometimes
winged bear
hmm. the ones for Artemis look wrong
winged bear
apparently you can get Fully Loaded just by taking Quick Reload?
proud orbit
That doesn't sound wrong to me
winged bear
there's no Tier 2 involved, all the other Gods have intermediate offers
I'm guessing that Quick Reload might be Tier 2, but nothing says what boons are prerequisites
proud orbit
I'm certain Quick Reload is T1
low phoenix
Fully Loaded now appears after taking ANY cast related boon from any god
and maybe an Artemis boon, Ive never had Fully Loaded on my first chat with her, but Ive taken it by the second still in Tartarus
winged bear
it's not necessarily wrong, it just doesn't fit the pattern of other gods
proud orbit
It does look unique
winged bear
hmm. maybe it's like Vengeful Mood's dependency on Revenge boons
so you have to take a cast (except for Dionysus or Ares)
proud orbit
Yeah probably
winged bear
ugh. that's a pain!
static wadi
oh hermes boon can be heroic too
proud orbit
Billowing Strength requires any call from any god too
winged bear
I'm sure that's not the only call-related boon, the others probably have similar requirements
winged bear
Dionysus is the other pain, he has complicated upgrades
brisk trail
Proud Bearing and Billowing Strength. 👌
severe granite
hello!
stuck stag
rip styxbot he can't do his job anymore
rotund finch
oh gosh, I have two slow curses from chaos...
both -57% movement speed
this is... something
rotund finch
not much... but the alternatives were worse lol
just 198% darkness and 60% special damage
green fiber
that definitely counts as a payoff
green fiber
establish dominance by stacking Oceans bounty on chaos' darkness buff
static wadi
okay time to sleep
rotund finch
Its more then a whole seconds to do one step
static wadi
gl ppl
green fiber
build a second mother out of darkness
rotund finch
That is very tempting
green fiber
stand it infront of Hades' desk and pretend it is backing you up everytime he verbally abuses you
hexed smelt
"barge of death". pffft. it's "murderboat" and always will be, in my heart.
brisk trail
I wish so much that they had gone with "Murderboat" in-game.
rotund finch
im glad it in game at least lol
its flavorful at least as is
welp... thats was two death defiances LOL
I also had Max Whipped Frenzy and Middle Management on top of both curses so...
I kind of deserved that
proud orbit
Heroic and Legendary boons are different things
Heroic boons are just another rarity normal boons have
And each God has one Legendary boon
sick dust
Hey when a character has a timer on their next heart thing, what does that mean exactly?
lone shuttle
It means you've hit the end of their line in the current patch
sick escarp
Took your guys advice with the spear spin attacking with dodge and Im loving it, I took artemis and start with a dadmer and got the spin attack boon and I am doing over 800 damage on the first floor 😂
Thanks for the tips guys.
mortal palm
heroics as far as I can tell is usually only available by upgraded rarity from an effect or by replacing a epic rarity boon
midnight salmon
i dont understand the poseidon aspect for sword
"the cast dislodges from foes" does that mean they never get stuck ever?
brisk trail
No.
midnight salmon
ok
brisk trail
Your Special will dislodge any Bloodstones.
midnight salmon
movement speed worth? prob not
brisk trail
It's aight.
midnight salmon
kind of like the nemesis aspect
dire stratus
Is the shield the best weapon in the game
brisk trail
Probably.
mortal palm
i unironcially like the zagreus sword 
brisk trail
Zagreus or Chaos.
mortal palm
+30% movement speed is kinda coo
dire stratus
Why chaos tho
brisk trail
With Blight Flourish or Curse of Pain it can spread to a ton of enemies and in general does good damage.
midnight salmon
i really like the zagreus shield DR and then stacking DR as i find it
im actually not a big fan of the sword but there's a 10 titan blood bonus for winning with all weps
im missing swd and bow
brisk trail
Start with Adamant Arrowhead on Poseidon Aspect.
Mostly plays the game for you if you spawn into True Shot.
proud orbit
Seek exit wounds
midnight salmon
thats wacky
proud orbit
Other fun stuff is Artemis's legendary for +3 bloodstones and Hermes thing that makes your cast rapid fire
midnight salmon
i cant wait to try that
i actually got that during a run
but i didnt have a great cast for it
i think it was poseidon's one which is ok
but i wouldve liked aries for maximum shred
barren rune
What should you even put on a Chiron bow build?
It feels like a peashooter next to Hera throwing three Casts at things.
brisk trail
Artemis.
mortal palm
special improving things
brisk trail
Deadly Flourish and Heartbreak Strike.
barren rune
I survived that run with 30 HP and no DDs, mostly because my damage was nowhere high enough to do well.
Hmm. I'll give it a try.
proud orbit
Blight flourish, heartbreak strike, low tolerance
brisk trail
Get Divine Dash and Exposed and you melt anything in its way.
barren rune
Aphro attack for Weak, Deadly Flourish for crits?
brisk trail
Yup.
barren rune
Gotcha. Thanks, I'll give it a go
mortal palm
it's also somewhat titan blood dependent, because level 1 is 30 damage and level 5 is 70 damage
barren rune
I already have both Chiron and Hera maxed, most of my aspects for my weapons are
mortal palm
i don't know if zeus lightning bolts proc multiple times, although Aphro attack for week and Dionysus special for poison gives instant 7 stacks i tyhink
barren rune
I did, I tried Zeus special. It procs… three times.
brisk trail
It does not work with Chiron fully.
mortal palm
proud orbit
Tempest Flourish and Sea Storm does tho
barren rune
With the special upgrade for +4, it procs 4 times if I was reading it correctly
mortal palm
ahha, yeah, posidon/zeus is weird and could also work
barren rune
Made me a sad panda when I realized it wasn't proccing on every shot.
mortal palm
i like that combo just because you can apply Privileged Status instantly
cause with the right boons you can proc rupture and jolted on every attack
brisk trail
They nerfed Sea Storm.
It used to create a lightning bolt for every arrow, but it doesn't anymore.
proud orbit
Damn that's news to me
At least you can get rupture and jolted out of it I suppose
brisk trail
but then you have to use Poseidon
proud orbit
Poor wavy boi
When poseiden buffs to make him not awful
Needs a good duo
If sea storm nerfed then he loses his only abusable duo
The other two just help you get better boons lol
Fitting
mortal palm
posidon isn't that bad because of wall slams
although yeah aside from sea storm his duos don't feel good
i mean the duos are amazingly good early game and you should always get them if you can but like
mortal palm
+2 level poms can be amazing especially if you have a bunch of boons with good pom effects
like imagine if you get that earl and just have like all your perks level 7
ocean's bounty unironically I also like early on despite not directly helping you, the gold boost is very nice
probs won't take in the third zone and up tho, and wouldn't take late on in the second zone either
midnight salmon
sea storm pog
winged bear
so I made a thing for tracking Duo/Legendary prereqs, anyone care to check it for mistakes?
midnight salmon
23 minute sword run w/ nemesis poseidon zeus sea storm extravaganza
bow is the only one left i need to complete a run on
whats the strategy for bow?
chiron aspect looks good
dire stratus
Is orpheus a guy
midnight salmon
yea
midnight salmon
hes pretty androgynous though
dire stratus
And the va sounds like a female
rough torrent
For Chiron, just getting poison on your special and building up from there can work.
hexed smelt
i mean, he looks like a guy to me
proud orbit
He's just a glam rock lookin guy
midnight salmon
is the crit from zagreus aspect worth?
mortal palm
10% crit is +30% damage
midnight salmon
is the hera aspect cast worth?
midnight salmon
wdym
mortal palm
tapping right click adds a cast to your next attack
this takes no time and does not interrupt anything
brisk trail
Orpheus has been a guy for the last 2500 years at the very least
mortal palm
so effectively, as long as you're attacking(and you WILL be attacking because that's the point of the game) it means you cast instantly
rough torrent
Hera aspect is good out the gate once you get the hang of it. Additional levels can let you shoot your casts more often, but it works well even on the base version.
brisk trail
Orpheus a dude he says it when talking about Eurydice
winged bear
Orpheus is dead so I'm not sure it matters?
brisk trail
It do not matta
proud orbit
It does in a game set in the underworld
winged bear
I mean shades don't look like they always stay the same shape
proud orbit
True you can make em go poof if you walk through them
rough torrent
Orpheus is an actual figure from Greek mythology. Also a dude. There's a fair number of surviving stories about him, Orpheus and Eurydice being the most famous.
hybrid wedge
mortal palm
i want hypnos to just g et a good night's sleep
mortal palm
sleep never sleeps :v
winged bear
I actually prefer doom with Chiron
It’s better for crowd early on and then later you hopefully get the one that stacks with repeated applications
Explosive shot on attack with a status effect and you’re golden
brisk trail
10 diamonds for God of the Dead is worth it.
jade wigeon
how many weapons are ingame?
midnight salmon
13 ambrosia and nothing to spend it on
jade wigeon
is there a link to the current roadmap?
pearl mural
is there a good weapon to use for beating the game? im stuck at the minotaur axe guy
brisk trail
Shield is generally regarded as the safest weapon.
brisk trail
Try any of them, but Zagreus Aspect is cheap and gives even more damage resistance.
proud orbit
There's also God Mode if you're stuck after that
safe crow
I feel like Hera aspect in general tends to be the most successful for me
winged bear
I like opening with Athena, the dash early on is great and the legendary is easy to get to
proud seal
Can someone explain if there’s any downside to those rooms where you have to pick between two God’s blessings and displease one of them?
I can’t tell if one being displeased actually has any affect on the game
safe crow
Only gameplay effect, I believe nothing that affects story
It's harder, technically, but if you can beat it you get two boons
Don't quote me on that I'm not 100% on displeased effect
proud orbit
They ||try to kill you for the room but otherwise nothing||
oak knot
yes that's why shield is the strongest weapon
proud seal
What’s even the point of using the sword then? It seems like all the other weapons are better
dull crystal
sword's cooler imo but it feels way harder than other weapons
safe crow
Sword has generally solid overall usage, not ranged options but close range dps
And I feel it has the most diverse AOE options?
proud seal
I couldn’t imagine playing with no ranged options, but I’m still new and terrible
safe crow
And with boons you can build the one shot Nova build
alpine quest
It's got a pretty cool stab.
safe crow
I got around 500dmg per Nova one time, it was nice
proud seal
Are there any builds for the shield? My best run so far used Doom but I have no idea if that’s optimal
safe crow
I'm not sure about the general "meta", and I don't really suggest looking them up
alpine quest
That can get pretty nutty if you get the double strike for the shield, doom I mean.
safe crow
Try out bunch of different builds, and theorize different boons, I believe that's half the fun in this game
proud seal
That’s fair
I was trying to go into the game blind but accidentally found out who the final boss was
safe crow
Though if you want my take on it, any DOT build with Dread Flight is very successful IMO
Although the gameplay can be a little bit less exciting
alpine quest
Can that dread flight play off of the chaos aspect for shenanigans?
brisk trail
Yup.
proud seal
Thanks for the help!
safe crow
Anyone feel like Zeus aspect for the shield is a bit underwhelming?
dark tusk
feedback bot broke again
safe crow
It just takes a while, give it a bit
alpine quest
I found I hardly used the shield special when I was used Zeus aspect. Like it can hit multiple times sure but if the enemy moves around a lot, it's kind of a waste.
safe crow
Maybe it's very niche for DOT builds, Dio or Ares
safe crow
I feel like that'd be counter productive though
Unless you essentially set up a barrier
"NO ENEMIES BEYOND THIS POINT"
alpine quest
"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!"
I do love the shield greatly. I am wondering what other weapons they will be putting in the game after the patch.
safe crow
Brass knuckles to beat the hell out of the enemies
Or a double gauntlet I suppose
Extra close range high dps weapon
The special is gomu gomu gatling
dull crystal
claws would be something
torpid zenith
i recently play a run using the Chiron aspect heart seeker bow, special +4 upgrade, and gotten the Support Fire Boon.
the boon felt weak, as support fire only proced twice every time i used the special.
torpid vessel
Yea, the special is technically one attack since its one 'click' or button press
so stuff like zues's special buff and support fire don't fire multiple times
torpid vessel
poison is applied per instance of damage
its debuff source vs buff source
if its a buff, its every time you perform the action, if its a debuff its every time the enemy receives an action against them
using special vs receiving damage from special
torpid zenith
support fire seems weak in these circumstances and is extremely situational then
torpid vessel
For the bow it isn't to good no
but its incredibly strong on things like flurry builds and rail
torpid zenith
would think if the damage of support fire was lessened yet procced on every hit, it could be better.
torpid vessel
It doesn't need to be better, its already incredibly strong on a lot of builds