just dont break the one that has the zagreus fan
#h1-discussion
dusty igloo
brisk trail
i don't expect a blunt weapon due to the overlap with the sword's special
night turret
Actually I think that a slow weapon is not a good option, given that we have a specific heat modifier to clear zones under 7 minutes.
brisk trail
yeah you'd have to spam special to go through quickly or rely on casts which wouldn't make the weapon feel good
thick remnant
spear's spin is slower than my grandma
dusty igloo
I'm just imagining the aphrodite/artemis BIG CRIT
brisk trail
spear's spin is fine once you get how to use it
dusty igloo
feels good enough to me lol
brisk trail
also fast spin is good
dusty igloo
yeah I cleared a run with spear that had larger spin radius as the marquee upgrade
was dece
brisk trail
getting interrupted when you're charging it up is demoralising though
dusty igloo
for sure
dusty igloo
for me its rail>bow>>sword>>>shield>spear
brisk trail
Doesn’t suit my play style
dusty igloo
the ranged weapons just feel so much stronger than the melee ones
way safer without a huge dps tradeoff
brisk trail
I feel I have to stand still to much and thae sound of it is just ok
dusty igloo
the rail feels like it does more dps than even the sword actually
brisk trail
shield is safer than any other weapon and has extremely high dps
dusty igloo
maybe I'm using the shield wrong then because their buttons do no damage
brisk trail
@brisk trail you really don't have to stand still much, try out its dash attack sometime
Alright
also chiron aspect fits a run & gun playstyle more if that's your thing
dusty igloo
bow really turned on for me once I started using hera aspect
like it was good but slow before
but when you can load all your casts into one shot, now we're getting somewhere
brisk trail
The augment that makes it so there’s no delay on the bomb on the gun is muy bien
dusty igloo
the rocket?
brisk trail
triple bomb? or the rocket?
dusty igloo
TRIPLE ROCKET
tranquil tulip
who here is a shield main i need tips
the only weapon i havent cleared the game with
dusty igloo
I've cleared exactly once with shield and it was with chaos aspect
pretty much yeah spamming bull rushes with specials in between
dusty igloo
depends on your boons but thats the hope
brisk trail
nah, attacks and dash attacks are good
empty ferry
special + bull rush is safer
dusty igloo
if you get the upgrade where attack hits twice but doesnt knock back, thats like pretty cool
brisk trail
imagine your normal nemesis attack rotation but bull rush instead of special
and poke with your special often, throw it out before dashing etc
zeus or dio on your special can also carry on their own
brisk trail
that's the gist of it
also athena/ares duo works wonders with doom on special and deflect on dash
get close to someone and throw/dash repeatedly
melts anything
tranquil tulip
i see
visual shell
shield is op
tranquil tulip
also im disappointed the game didnt give me the dream meme Of poseidon on special achilles aspect multi skewer
yeah i know shield is OP
im just ass at it
visual shell
for the simple fact that if your twitch reflexes are good enough you are invulnerable
the answer to all your problems is
bullrush more @tranquil tulip
tranquil tulip
wait so i bullrush more than dashing?
dusty igloo
I'm pretty sure you're invulnerable while bullrushing
dusty igloo
so you want to be doing that as much as possible
visual shell
let's take the first boss fight
dusty igloo
there's a charge time so obviously dodge if you dont have half a second to spare
visual shell
instead of dash attack dash attack
you want to do this x------------> O
< -------------------------O------
brisk trail
What are the things called that you start with in a run?
dusty igloo
boons?
visual shell
just keep going back and forth with the bull rush
dusty igloo
or weapons?
brisk trail
Uhhhhhhh they’re like charms that give you extra bonuses
visual shell
dash if you need to dodge a trap or ground-based attack
dusty igloo
keepsakes
brisk trail
The skeleton tooth is great
dusty igloo
I usually use the broken spearpoint in general
brisk trail
What’s that do?
dusty igloo
after you take damage, become immune for 1.5 seconds
brisk trail
Neat
dusty igloo
it shows a little icon when it blocks damage so I think it saves a ton of hp
dire cedar
i usually start with bonus gold or chaos egg
dusty igloo
myrmidon bracer might be better though idk
dire cedar
and change it later
spearpoint is good
best keepsake vs final boss
and lucky tooth
dire cedar
i had problems with him
bcs i was rushing
now i play safer
so he's pretty easy
if you have bonus dashes there is nothing to worry about
dusty igloo
as much as I like hermes's keepsake
I wish he had one that guaranteed a boon
hermes boons are so fun
dire cedar
yeah
shut plover
I love these character designs so much; looking at all of them just brings joy deep down lol
dire cedar
for me only hammers are better
dusty igloo
yeah hammer trumps all for me too
idk what my tier list would look like but I feel like double boon rooms should be higher than hermes
but I probably would get hermes given the choice
dire cedar
for me it depend on double boons
brisk trail
I’m not the biggest fan of the augment that turns your m2 into a tornado
From god of war
near meteor
it's really good if you can get the artemis duo, else it's hard to play with
but blade rift + duo + ares legendary is freaking op
near meteor
yeah, but you need to have the duo and if you don't you ruin your run most of the time
near meteor
it's playable, but nearly all other M2 are better without it
tranquil tulip
blade rift is bad
the only time blade rift isnt bad is
if you begcome a blade rift
and meme
arctic frigate
tsh I lost my save again.... someone give me tips to save at mid-escape attempt
brisk trail
the game saves automatically after you clear a chamber and between chambers
but if you get attacked in the middle of an ongoing chamber, you won’t be able to save, and if you exit the game at that point, your whole run will be lost
game crashes are treated the same way too
wind rover
ive noticed it doesnt safe after you ||bribe cerberus to go away|| too
visual shell
just tried
sword Nemesis aspect
got artemis dash + attack + aphrodite special and art/aphro duo boon
25 minutes clear
holy moly what a good aspect
wind rover
indeed
near meteor
All blade's aspects are playable. I like going with the poseidon because that gives you the most versatile run. You can use either M1 or M2. I average clears at 21 or 22min and i only play blade currently to try getting my heat up (including the 7min timer) to unlock the last perks.
agile fossil
Is there a difference between Hellmode and Normal Mode after you finished your first run? Or is it just Heat-enabled right away?
brisk trail
you have to pump up the heat after each run you win and can't bring it down
you can't ever have more than 2.5k darkness in the mirror
and you don't get invincibility after taking a huge hit
agile fossil
oh thanks a lot - that clears jup a lot of questions, guess ill go with normal a little more then, until i feel more comfortable and have consistent kills ^^
lean dome
is it only me, or does the shield "Q" feel slightly out of aim every time
im just at the training dummy spamming it and i can clearly see it's not passing through my cursor
it's always a little more to the right
(disabled auto aim)
pic related, red mark is the cursor (PrtScn does not record cursor):
https://imgur.com/a/Z2A9Rho
brisk trail
while trying out weapons at the dummy my rail shot out a fast purple bullet after reloading
is that hestia's effect?
the weird part is that i haven't unlocked that one yet and am on zag's
@lean dome yeah, just tried it ig that explains why that special has consistently felt off to me
does shoot in the right direction when you aim up or down tho
which is extra bizarre
night turret
it then
wind rover
ye hestia gives off a purple glow
brisk trail
the absolute worst purging pool
epic greater evasion or divine dash or epic greatest reflex
underworld customs is awful and i'm angery
main plume
Just don't get unlucky bro 🙂
But yeah, for the roguelite that aims to help you reduce randomness, forcing randomness is a dumb idea
On the other hand this is a challenge, but on the other other hand (yes, I have 3 of them) rolling runs until you get more lucky is not a challenge really
Speaking of which
Frick 32 heat
drops mic
odd bramble
I've gotten random power shots on Rail often enough, has to be a bug
iron snow
For the house contractor, those change color just overrides the older ones and not stacked?
robust orchid
just lost an 18 streak because of the Nemean Chariot in Hades fight along with Voidstone using Stygian Blade
tfw you lose 3 death defiances in 15 seconds lol
brisk trail
@iron snow don't worry, 10 gems is absolutely nothing in the long run, decorative items get to a few hundred per in the later parts of the game and then a few thousands
opal frigate
Is it vital to have decorations in the room? I placed none as my resources are quite low
opal frigate
Oh cool for a moment there I thought the mirror and the boons were not the only one to boost his stats
brisk trail
you also unlock new rooms and bonuses for your runs at the contractor but nothing that buffs your stats, no
tranquil tulip
is it normal to feel burnout after a 24 hour straight binge of hades
with just me pumping the heat
tranquil tulip
well not like no sleep
but more of like i havent done anything or played anything
that isnt hades
i did chores and responsibilities but its just hades
alpine stratus
ahhhh ok thats a little less 😱
but still hjfhjfhj burnout is normal! you did a lot!
icy ridge
I like going crits with the daedelus chop
main plume
Just pick up everything my dude
and spam dash attacks
also take the armor shredding upgrade on the hammer
and you are golden
the main problem with the sword is that hammer can give you literal garbage
and then you are very sad
and by garbage i mean special upgrades (because special is trash unless you are in poseidon)
lean dome
in that case try not being sad 🤔
main plume
ma man
silver escarp
I hope new god will be Hestia. But it can be hard to find suitable mechanic for her.
deft gull
huh. giving up keeps the rng seed?
vital hamlet
Dumb question, but were should quirks/bugs/save corruptions be relayed?
opal frigate
through the tech support.
tranquil tulip
i want apollo
timid fjord
i second apollo
brisk trail
hades just told me that making it out of tartarus is just the beginning and that i haven't seen nothing yet
after my 42nd run
bit out of place
i've been getting weird exchanges like that with him for the past 15 runs or so
gaunt ridge
how close we are now to the 'full' game i wonder.
oak knot
If i have to guess then it's half way through, surely there is still a big section after we getting out of hell and the entries for most npcs are works in progress too
void nova
i got the all pact conditions prophecy last night, and i've completed all the boons ones too, wheee lol
i was totally ill-prepared for the final boss because i had budget cuts on which hurt more than i expected, but i had the boon that makes lightning strike around your blood stones, so i just littered them everywhere and just kept running around lol. bit tedious but, it worked 😄
with maxed out zag aspect on the sword, really..not that useful i don't think lol
tho i guess in that case it probably did help more than it seemed
oh yeah and i had the hermes keepsake for the first two biomes and wasn't able to ratched it up high enough so i ditched it in elysium, waste 😅
tbh i'm almost done with all the prophecies, what am i gonna do after that?? 😱
static dagger
Start a new save file and do it again
bitter valve
are you playing on hell mode
void nova
no
void nova
yeah that just sounds...tedious
void nova
yeah
static dagger
Yeah I tried hellmode, and I'm not knocking it at all. I get it. But it's just not for me. Takes the enjoyment out for me.
bitter valve
I'm gonna make a normal save when the game comes out
I got baited into hell mode because I thought I would enjoy the challenge
void nova
idk if i'm gonna do normal or hell when the game comes out, given i'm gonna have to die a bunch for the story maybe i should do hell. i hope they rework hell tho
bitter valve
turns out I don't need it to enjoy the challenge
void nova
lol i've been running god mode since it dropped basically and still finding it highly enjoyable
🤷♀️
bitter valve
Thats totally fair
I find myself getting immersed when the atmosphere and the challenge cross
void nova
yeah
i just figure, as i have to keep ratcheting up the heat to get bounties, that the challenge will catch up lol
bitter valve
I did for every sg game except pyre I think
static dagger
I feel like normal and the heat system are perfect for me, I basically raise it to the cusp of frustration then if I ever am like 'Why am I doing this?' I just knock it back a few notches and do a few easy runs to get my bearings back then raise it again.
void nova
i like jury summons, extreme measures is cool, middle management can be cool
noble nacelle
There is definitely more freedom on a normal save file, Godmode and more control over the pact of punishment. Hellmode has some conditions locked in which I can appreciate, like Personal Liability, but I do hate that I can't just mess around in Godmode from time to time.
static dagger
I throw on forced overtime up all the way on about half of my runs just because it makes normal feel slower. hahah.
void nova
oh yeah forced overtime can be cool if i wanna go extra-frenzy mode
bitter valve
you should definitely start the pact with the boss variants first
probably the coolest condition
void nova
yeah
totes
i should probably just crank that one up to full at all times from now on
void nova
i really like its impact on the furies fight, hydra is yeah.... tbh the hydra has always felt pretty tedious
i've only had it up to rank 3 once i think, maybe twice. it was fun
bitter valve
It definitely is the weakest boss design
void nova
yeah
i hope they come up with more variants on boss fights like they did with the furies
there has to be more underworld monsters than just the hydra, tbh i don't actually know greek mythology but...there must be
bitter valve
oh yeah there are tons
static dagger
I would definitely enjoy some alternate bosses to mix things up. But we'll see in time.
void nova
and the dynamic duo use different gods but those are barely different
the final boss could use different weapons, i think that'd be awesome
bitter valve
the cool thing about the bone hydra is that it is the hydra hercules killed
it is the remains of it
thats why it is the bone hydra
static dagger
The uncool thing about the hydra is I'm magnetically attracted to lava.
bitter valve
lol
void nova
haha especially in the extreme measures arena
shell hearth
so i've beaten Hades 6 times in a row, once with each weapon and again with the spear and 1 heat. I'm at 16 runs total
static dagger
Grats!
brisk trail
hell mode feels pointless
would be better if hell mode were to add more moves to every enemy so its sort of the definitive mode, one you have to unlock
void nova
yeah it'd be cool if hell mode was more interesting in some way
is it possible to have hell mode and god mode both on?
humble pulsar
Nope
Hell Mode disables God Mode
Hell Mode is a neat challenge but its more for the veteran players who've been sticking around for a while and are looking for more of that challenge
opal frigate
I didn't even get halfway through the game let alone a hell mode 
void nova
the only way i'll ever give hell mode a serious go of it is after the game fully releases
even then i might just start over another normal save
thick remnant
I think im in love with the chiron bow
void nova
which one is that again? the one that causes the special to home in on the last enemy hit by your attack on bow?
thick remnant
yeah
brisk trail
have you maxed it yet?
thick remnant
level 4
brisk trail
shouldn't have killed skelly huh
thick remnant
god damn it xD
im going dionysus artemis for some reason with the chiron bow rn
i know dionysus is good and all
with the poison special
brisk trail
eh
void nova
poison special on bow recently was probably my most effective build to date
tho i was using hera
brisk trail
thing is you use your special three times in a short window
void nova
i also got the +4 arrows on special upgrade
thick remnant
yep same
brisk trail
so the poison doesn't use the 21 arrows that well
thick remnant
thats why im melting everything rn
brisk trail
or 33 if you get the +4
static dagger
My new 'amuses me' weapon is to do melee rail runs with the dps standing in blast zone aspect.
thick remnant
Blight Flourish, Low Tolerance and Support Fire are making this run a breeze for me rn
brisk trail
support fire only procs one from the special and that blows
thick remnant
still helps out a good bit
brisk trail
does it tho? it's like 20 dmg
brisk trail
i'm moreso of a zeus/artemis/aphro person on chiron
i mean that's pretty good as well yh
lean dome
"Your attack hit twice, but does not knockback enemies". does that apply even to Poseidon's knockback boon to attack?
brisk trail
it's great with ares/dio cast
poseidon's should still work
it means the normal knockback from your attack is removed
lean dome
makes sense, thanks!
brisk trail
np
thick remnant
does distant memory proc with poison btw?
brisk trail
doubt it
void nova
does poseidon's boon that causes rupture on knockback affect the normal weapon knockback as well, or only poseidon's knockback effects?
brisk trail
only his effects
void nova
booo
void nova
maybe if demeter takes over resource-type boons then poseidon could get some extra different stuff
i like poseidon well enough though
shrewd pond
is Demeter the next god to make an appearance?
void nova
well
idk lol, that's what people are hypothesizing
i don't know enough/anything about greek myth
shrewd pond
ah ok
Hestia is one of the aspects of the rail iirc. So it could be her
or Hera for that matter
main plume
Ok wtf
Hades can spawn medusa mini boss in the first phase
What is this garbage
Hello?
Imagine getting a gorgon instead of numbskulls on your 32 skulls run
I would probably throw the pc out of the window honestly
void nova
what is this garbage
oh this guy thinks he's captain knots
captain tying knots
anyone needs some knots tied they go to him BULLS***
hm...... i guess that is not technically hades discussion
maiden peak
bronze hound
is there any point in unlocking Olympian favour if you already unlocked gods pride?
lament hare
the epic one only goes up to 25%, the rare one goes up to 50%
bronze hound
do they total up?
so a boon would be like 25% epic, 50% rare, and the rest either heroic or common
lament hare
I don't know how the 0% in both chances works
but yes they synergize
maybe someone in gameplay can give the hard numbers if you ask in there
bronze hound
ah ok, ty ^^
flat vapor
i imagine it's 25% common, 50% rare, 25% epic at full value
heroics aren't normally given out like the other rarities are
lucid stump
Hello everyone! How can I submit feedback? Or do I just post it here?
flat vapor
read the pins in #hades-feedback !
idle lily
So is there a silhouette right now to decipher?
Also just got the game a few days ago
Should have much sooner
brisk trail
yes, in their last video, at 2:45
but it's demeter
it's not really something to decypher per se
flat vapor
we're all so convinced it's demeter, imagine if it's someone else
static dagger
I figure it's Demeter with a life steal theme.
opaque nexus
Guys imagine if there was a kid icarus crossover at some point
static dagger
It's Waluigi. FINALLY
opaque nexus
Zag for smash
main plume
I just want a doomguy in hades
is this too much to ask for, supergiant?
the god has abandoned us
dire cedar
Ugh my game just crashed in middle of boss fight
idle lily
What would zags final smash be
mint shuttle
rip
idle lily
Oh goodness
dire cedar
nope
main plume
oh
mint shuttle
counts as give up
dire cedar
it's like giving up
main plume
Just don't give up bro 👍
main plume
weird because i crashed once and I don't remember it resetting everything
main plume
oh maybe
brisk trail
nah, if you leave after picking up a boon or purchasing sth in the last room before a boss you get the give up option
for example
mint shuttle
yeah otherwise you can quit. It's not like you're forced to do the full run in one sitting
drifting meteor
so anyone else here wish that hades got a GOG release?
dire cedar
if you give up
opaque nexus
Guys, how would you rank all the calls, worst to best
drifting meteor
athena > aphrodite > ares > artemis > poseidon > zeus > dionysus
opaque nexus
Based on how good or bad they are on their own and how much investment you need to make them good
drifting meteor
although i hear that ares call is better than i give it credit for
opaque nexus
Requires a lot of commitment
dire cedar
Athena > Ares > Poseidon > Artemis > Aphrodite > Dio > Zeus
drifting meteor
really if you can deal more damage with ares call than you can with your weapon, then it's better than athena or aphrdoite
but if not, then it's behind them
drifting meteor
yeah, but not more than your weapon
leaden charm
why is "give up" not always an option?
dire cedar
with Blade rift build Ares is best
bcs if you don't get dmg on chamber
or you ended it
you can just leave game and back to run later
Give up is to prevent re-trying chambers
brisk trail
it does reset anything but the seed for the run will stay the same
leaden charm
ty
brisk trail
so you can still get your lvl9 aphro cast fully loaded hera bow run
flat vapor
do note that, while it's the same seed, taking different choices than before results in branching paths
mint shuttle
so remember your exact choice for all 60+ rooms
viscid flicker
chaos gives different boons even on the "same" seed 😛
brisk trail
classic chaos
dire cedar
yeah
brisk trail
anyone else wanna date chaos or
flat vapor
true, chaos is pretty... out of this world
brisk trail
boo
mint shuttle
yikes
lethal otter
The strikes might of circumvented any blocker, oops
brisk trail
gotta say, i do not enjoy not being able to swear
mint shuttle
blast you
drifting meteor
yeah it feels like im under sharia law
cant say the f word or i'll get stoned to death by the admin bot
brisk trail
does make one joke functional tho
dire cedar
it's hard for me to write in english without swearing
idle lily
Anyone else hope that when there is a narrative end to the game, that Zag gets some catharsis?
deft gull
Time to learn
brisk trail
i am completely sick of theseus' shi*
drifting meteor
im ready for mom to end up being the uber final boss after hades
idle lily
I'd hate another stuck back where you started moment
brisk trail
actually it's just theseuses all the way down
mint shuttle
and so the clone wars begins
drifting meteor
LEMME GIVE NECTAR TO ASTERIUS GAWDAMMIT
brisk trail
artemis' is surprisingly good yeah
just picked her for the first time recently and it was v nice
void nova
that's backwards
mint shuttle
Ares isn't that good unless you have his legendary
main plume
Not true @mint shuttle
void nova
for call anyway
brisk trail
ares is still invincibility in a pinch
main plume
yep
brisk trail
which is always nice
lethal otter
Ares can either be really good or trash, with more of the latter honestly
drifting meteor
again, with the invuln calls, how good it is is based 100% on whether you're better off using your weapon for the duration
if you have a good attack/weapon, youre just better off with athena
aphrodite is essentially an invuln call, which is why i rank her higher than poseidon or ares
dire cedar
Dio and Zeus are just so bad
brisk trail
aphrodite is just the skip a phase button
main plume
and by meme i mean call and then block with the shield
brisk trail
if you somehow do a full zeus build his call is good
main plume
how can dio be good though
lethal otter
Lighting could be stronger. I always see the zeus' dadh as just being worst then most other damage dashes
drifting meteor
really when it comes to dashes, it's athena or bust
brisk trail
by using dio one bar at a time with either zeus dmg buff or hermes speed and dodge buff
lethal otter
I remember back when the game first game out and dash builds were hella op. Good times
drifting meteor
you know, i think i might rank athena call lower than ares now that i think about it
but thats only because athena has so many amazing boons that the call comes at a high opportunity cost
brisk trail
@main plume idr
main plume
I don't like athena call
drifting meteor
okay so you're given the option between athena dash, athena revenge, and athena call
main plume
like yeah, you can damage iwth the weapon
drifting meteor
athena call is like, lowest on that priortiy list
main plume
😠
dire cedar
and this will work with everything
brisk trail
yeah sure but if you get multiple athena boons you start getting all the terrible ones
main plume
I also kinda don't understand why people like aphro boon
like 6 seconds stun is nice, but on which boss do you even need it
Hades will go invuln, hydra too, theseus will block it most of the time and so on
and in regular rooms it's always a disaster
i highly suspect that it's bugged as well, because when I charm shieldbearers, they continue to hit me
lethal otter
It can be hard to support calls sometimes, though. Like if my only source of lighting is zeus call then I'm probably not going to take the jolted boon.
teal terrace
thought you guys were ranking gods as a whole, was confused about how Dionysus was top and ares was trash. Then I realized it was calls being ranked and I've gotta agree
brisk trail
aphro call i just use for the 2.5k to skip a phase on hades
main plume
well if we were ranking gods in general then dio would be top of course
drifting meteor
fully charged aphro call deals damage to bosses
main plume
this is not even a contest
drifting meteor
it's very much a "skip a phase" button
brisk trail
same goes for artemis
teal terrace
artemis is best overall god, fite me
main plume
ok
drifting meteor
thats a weird way to spell "athena"
lethal otter
It can also be used to interrupt his attacks, which can be really helpful if you're caught out of position when he does his 360 laser spam
brisk trail
dio is the hottest god and that's just fact
drifting meteor
thats a weird way to spell "hades"
main plume
How can you make so many mistakes in Dionisys is beyond me
lethal otter
Honestly most of the gods are pretty hot.
drifting meteor
dio's poison is good when you have weapons that can stack it quickly/effectively. his passives are just fantastic.
main plume
i wanted to say untrue, but it's probably true
@drifting meteor no, poison is trash
tipsy shot is where the fun begins
deft gull
the only god who isn't hot to me is Poseidon
brisk trail
lemme get uhhh tipsy shot burst fire fully loaded hera bow thank
main plume
@brisk trail here you go sir, have a nice day
teal terrace
i'd take Poseidon's cast or ares cast before dio
brisk trail
poseidon is just trash in every way
lethal otter
Most of the attack boons that don't up damage are kjnd of weak tbh
main plume
@deft gull you misspelled athena my dude
drifting meteor
dio's cast is just zzz
deft gull
No, Athena is hot. Poseidon's goatee thing just doesn't do it for me
main plume
@brisk trail cmon bruh
lethal otter
Poseidon and Zeus are kind of eh, but the rest of the gods I'd go on a date with anytime~
drifting meteor
look, jen began and ended the "which one is the hottest" debate when she blessed us with the god of dilf energy.
brisk trail
let me take a nap with hypnos
main plume
Excuse me 😠
deft gull
Thanatos is probably my fave
drifting meteor
than is bro
lethal otter
Thanatos is great
brisk trail
desgustang
main plume
Can we votekick this plebian?
drifting meteor
nah i kind of agree
main plume
😖
deft gull
if you have a problem with incest, greek myths are probably not for you
drifting meteor
twinks are so mid 00's. it's nearly 2020. we're all about dads now.
main plume
Ok plan b
Ares
deft gull
that came out so weird. Fictional incest 😂
signal spoke
Let's dial it back a bit here folks 😄
drifting meteor
o7
deft gull
sure thing. Sorry about that
signal spoke
no worries!
drifting meteor
anyways, so poisons damage feels pretty underwelming when you dont have something that increases its max stacks
deft gull
I like the Aphro/Dio duo
brisk trail
yeah, not fond of it overall except mb on rail
deft gull
Poison's not fast, but it's great if I'm having a hard time and need to whittle away at their health
leaden charm
doing a bounty with a weapon before i've beaten a boss regularly with that weapon won't cause any problems will it?
drifting meteor
like, poison is the single most weapon specific status effect there is imho. it really only works on the rail, spear, or sword
void nova
how did no one bring up Chaos in the hot gods convo tho
brisk trail
i did thanks
drifting meteor
but dio passives are 👀
positive outlook and after party are both s-tier in my eyes
brisk trail
his duos are good but his passives are???
like vintage nectar is great but that's about it
main plume
The only truly great meme is the boon that gives you hp for nectars
But you kinda need to hit nectars
brisk trail
and that's mostly because upgraded nectars are already really nice
void nova
how can y'all so confidently declare certain gods/weapons as best/trash, i feel like the balance is pretty dang good. i understand having preferences for playstyle, sure
brisk trail
fated to reroll for nectars at every opportunity
lethal otter
If you pick that boon you will never see another nector for the whole run, guarantee.
Every time
drifting meteor
efficiency only starts mattering at higher heat levels. i'd opt for defensive boons over offensive ones 9/10
brisk trail
happens too often for it to be a coincidence
drifting meteor
we wanna @ amir to see if it's hard coded into the game?
void nova
if anything it should make nectars appear more often, otherwise it'd just be frustrating
main plume
@lethal otter not true, i found one afterwards once
void nova
lol
brisk trail
i'm a big fan of the dash everywhere and hit really fast kinda strat so i just pick athena dash & anything that does damage
teal terrace
positive outlook bad? you must be out of your mind, it's almost a guarantee you'll end up below 40 at some point
lethal otter
Nector is just rare already, and you probably got that boon half way though the climb reducing your chances of finding more nector
main plume
but yeah, i start to think that it lowers your nectar chances
lethal otter
Remember that you can't find nector in the last level, too
void nova
because of how i think of dashing, i suppose
brisk trail
just get 10 fated auths to reroll for nectar 4Head
main plume
don't
teal terrace
Athena dash is best in slot no matter the rarity
lethal otter
I like the boon but unless you got a lot of fated authority don't wxpect to get more than 25hp from it
lethal otter
Really strong
void nova
i'm kinda surprised the deflect mechanic isn't based on a percentage chance
drifting meteor
like, dont get me wrong, damage is great for clearing trash mobs (rats, skulls, etc)
lethal otter
Being able to deflect almost instantly is so powerful
drifting meteor
also good for applying expose
void nova
true but it doesn't matter how much damage it does to apply expose
lethal otter
The shield use to have inherit deflection in its attacks. Also miss that.
drifting meteor
yeah and expose is primarily just a tool to trigger privilged status
brisk trail
rats have 1hp so athena dash clears them anyway
teal terrace
why is defiance so rare on chaos
drifting meteor
cuz defiance is frigging strong
brisk trail
because they don't want to see you succeed
void nova
i actually made pretty good use of expose and backstabs with a rail build the other day
main plume
@teal terrace is it ACTUALLY in? Like did anybody get it? I just think it's bugged, no?
brisk trail
i've gotten it
drifting meteor
same
brisk trail
ama
drifting meteor
ive gotten it like, once but i've only been playing for like a week
teal terrace
I've gotten every other boon for my fated list aside from about half of the duo boons
drifting meteor
+1 max death defiance
void nova
oh
teal terrace
not worth it
void nova
hrm....meh lol i mean, that's pretty cool i guess
teal terrace
I rarely go below 2 DD anyway
lethal otter
I have a bad tendency of burning though all my DD's during the final boss, so max up could be useful
main plume
Just don't die bro
drifting meteor
you never think you need dd until you get into a room/boss that eats all of them
coarse vector
can someone tell me if you keep the stats from the pierced butterfly when you switch to a new trinket ?
drifting meteor
you dont
teal terrace
i think I've lost to the fury sisters once in all my runs, and only to megaera
drifting meteor
stats are tied to the trinket not the the characters
void nova
i lost a DD in tartarus the other day and felt bad about myself lol
not sure what happened there
coarse vector
ok thx for the answer
teal terrace
i lost a DD on a pretty gruesome barge on a heat run
lethal otter
I lost to meg a bunch when I was first starting. Felt really good to finally beat her.
void nova
it's been a while i can't remember how i did starting out
teal terrace
the barge was packed with enemies
void nova
i know i must've lost to her at least a few times
brisk trail
mm barge is an experience
drifting meteor
yeah barge is a run ender when playing on high heat
opaque nexus
High heat must be a completely different game
lethal otter
Double elites spawn makes it really rough 😢
main plume
@opaque nexus A worse one in many ways tbh
RNG matters MUCH more
like astronomically
You can break a run just by chosing a wrong room once
opaque nexus
Judging from what people are saying I feel like dead cells handles it better with the boss cells system
main plume
Nope, dead cells is garbage as well
I will never forget how mad I was after coming back when thye added elite elites
and dying in promenade for literally no reason
just because it one shots me with no way out
opaque nexus
5bc is absolutely brutal
main plume
never played after that
opaque nexus
No healing
main plume
it was on 4 i think
opaque nexus
No refills I mean
I stopped at 2 cuz Hades is better than that game in pretty much every way
drifting meteor
yeah i dont think i'll ever take the no healing pact.
main plume
Just don't take damage 5head
drifting meteor
i remember taking roathus in bastion and how delightful that was
opaque nexus
I wonder when people will start going all out with mods for this game
So much potential for dumb challenge runs and showcases of stuff that normally wouldn’t be possible
brisk trail
I want Zagreus Aspect Stygius and every Hermes boon that can increase movement speed. Gonna Yakkety Sax my way to the surface.
imagine using the challenge modes in sgg games
this was made by baby gang
lethal otter
No idea how modable Hades is. Most of Supergiant's other games have never really gotten mods so...
drifting meteor
i kinda dont want hades mods
opaque nexus
If it was possible, constant updates in early access would make it really hard
void nova
well even if they come to exist you can just play vanilla
main plume
I will make a mod that replaces zag with hades and hades with zag
no need to thank me
opaque nexus
Skelly but when he talks it’s the sans sound effect
drifting meteor
the appeal to sg is always the obscene level of talent/polish and i dont think jimmy modder is up to snuff
opaque nexus
Imagine if you could edit sound effects
drifting meteor
i dont really think having a crayola picture of someone's sonic oc talk to me with their voice recorded on a $10 mic would add much to the game
main plume
@drifting meteor don't knock it until you try it man
drifting meteor
we absolutely do not need a skelly sans mod.
lethal otter
Mods are fine. It's easy enough to jusg not download them if you want a Supergiant only experience.
void nova
i'd probably see if i could mod the boons system to make it more procedural, just to see what i could come up with
opaque nexus
Even a seed system would be cool
lethal otter
I just doubt Hades is constructed in such a way to allow modding at all, let alone there ever being any sort of mod tools for thd game like The Binding of Issac got
opaque nexus
Obviously no achievements on seeds you enter
brisk trail
replace chariots with thomas the tank engine
opaque nexus
That’s more of a think for SG themselves
brisk trail
I got my 1000 hours (across both games) in, I'm happy to not play it anymore.
opaque nexus
Isaac is fun because of how stupidly op you can get
But apart from that
And being an innovator
Not much in present day
brisk trail
i really hate that they locked the modding scene behind 30 bucks of dlc
void nova
the combat system just didn't feel nearly as satisfying, just like...the feel of it
brisk trail
Honestly, Hades also fulfills my "Look at the room funny and blow everything up," need while just looking so much nicer.
void nova
i also was really bad at it lol so maybe that didn't help
opaque nexus
As someone with over 350 hours in Gungeon I’m having more fun in hades than I did a lot of the time in that game
Game
brisk trail
cmon, rebirth looked good
lethal otter
Isaac has really good item variety and combos, which helps to make up for the simpler combat
void nova
my other fav roguelite is probably Curse of the Necrodancer
brisk trail
It's "polished," but the art itself is so grotesque.
lethal otter
It also has a lot of content if you wanna go for 100%
drifting meteor
best roguelike ever made was mooncrash fight me
brisk trail
grotesque is good
lethal otter
Necrodancer is also great
brisk trail
I wish I were better at Necro. Also let's move to #off-topic-discussion
void nova
i'm not into grotesque art styles but a lot of things seem to be
main plume
The thing I miss most of all so far are secrets tbh. Like secret passages and stuff. I hope they will add something like that
lethal otter
Also FTL is the best roguelike fite me
drifting meteor
bodied.
idle lily
Question
(serious apologies for repeating myself, i didnt catch/notice any replies) Does anyone else hope the ending of the game gives Zag catharsis and or doesn't just put you back in the house of hades?
brisk trail
Yes.
idle lily
phew
main plume
what
what else could it be, do you think they will just keep the current ending?
cmon breh
void nova
yes but......also how are we gonna keep battling out of hell then???
brisk trail
I think the overall lighter tone of the game calls for a happier ending than other SGG games.
no, i hope everything goes wrong and it's a more disheartening ending than every other sgg game combined
idle lily
im not saying you cant go back mechanically,
void nova
lol
idle lily
just that you aren't forced narratively
void nova
i guess they could just do NG+
yeah
i'm with you. who knows though maybe he'll decide to go back, at least sometimes
for some narrative reason
main plume
Ok I'm calling it now
The mother is actually is in the locked room behind achilles and she was the one who hired skelly and put arms in the backyard to train Zag to be a better god and get him back together with meg
And Hades just kinda went with it
void nova
lol
main plume
You know I'm right 😎
idle lily
someone suggested that based on the "darkness" entry in the codex that using it binds you to the underworld
brisk trail
holidays at hades', trying to run away for old times' sake
idle lily
(to which someone else suggested a no darkness run 'true' ending)
brisk trail
no darkness shouldn't be that tough
idle lily
personally, idk, just something interesting i found
brisk trail
would be neat tho yeah
drifting meteor
im betting that theyre gonna add a 5th level and you're gonna have to fight persephone
like utero
idle lily
"utero"?
drifting meteor
plot twist: mom's evil and hates you which is why she ran away
main plume
Not really a twist
You are not even mentioned in a farewell letter
Ok now for real endgame spoilers: the 5th level is the Caeldonia, and your final battle there will cause the calamity
void nova
lol true
void nova
rofl
main plume
you heard it here first
void nova
omg supergiant shared universe theory
idle lily
someone else online mentioned achilles' theory that Zag is the god of Blood/Life
anyone else have thoughts
brisk trail
zag is the god of dying quickly and repeatedly
main plume
I think he is just hades' successor so far honestly
main plume
@void nova cause he has red blood m8
odd bramble
...Ichor
brisk trail
Some of them don't bleed.
main plume
well maybe she calls them redblood too
brisk trail
hades' is black no?
odd bramble
The gods bleed ichor
void nova
gross
brisk trail
anyway yeah only mortals bleed red
void nova
or should i say.... ick.... .......or
drifting meteor
i think the gods all have technicolor blood.
void nova
that'd be cool
drifting meteor
aphrodite's is pink like she's from danganronpa
void nova
i want rainbow blood
fervent badger
I don’t think there is likely to be more zones added based off this thread response from the developer:
“... we feel the game structure is largely complete, and currently we don't have plans to add entire new biomes (regions or zones filled with enemies and bosses).” - Dec 15th
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/3124866963982374460/
Sorry a bit behind the conversation since I had to go find the link lol
main plume
It's okay, only some dudes think that there will be 4 more biomes
void nova
i really hope there's at least some sort of endless/survival challenge mode
i don't even care what the scenery aesthetic is, just gimme endless badboys from all the biomes comin' at me
brisk trail
i don't really get how you could add a fifth zone anyway
you're already overpowered by the time you get to the final boss
void nova
the only thing i can think is if you get to the surface and somehow the gods get pissed at you and now you're fighting olympians
brisk trail
Would have to be real short.
a boss gauntlet with olympians would be fun tho
full on god of war switcharoo
drifting meteor
im pretty sure they're gonna at least add the last 4 olympians
void nova
i remember getting to the end of transistor and just really wishing there were some sort of endless/survival mode
brisk trail
nah, demeter's the last one
idle lily
they're adding one (probs Demeter)
void nova
hades is already closer to that i suppose
drifting meteor
wait, really?
brisk trail
yeah..
brisk trail
i knoooow
idle lily
would've loved haphaestus
void nova
it is kinda weird to just have a couple gods excluded tbh
idle lily
THIS ^
void nova
but, that'd be a lot of extra work
idle lily
also that^ lol
drifting meteor
i really wanted to see jen's take on those gods
void nova
ultimately it's about gameplay for me
drifting meteor
i'd actually pay money for dlc for this game
brisk trail
yeah but seeing sgg's track record i doubt we'll ever see dlc for hades
hoping to be proven wrong
drifting meteor
like, if they launched the last 3 gods in $5 dlc chunks with some light bonus content, thats something i would absolutely pay money for
void nova
nah i'm sure you're right
idle lily
ooh, any idea what weapon 6 would be?
void nova
hell yes me too
brisk trail
scythe probs
idle lily
i was dissapointed when adamant rail was no longer going to be MWF (move while fire)
drifting meteor
so in the making of video they talked about concepts for a run and gun weapon
like dueling pistols from bastion
brisk trail
god i don't remember anything about bastion
drifting meteor
i think that ended up evolving into the rail gun, but i hope they didnt abandon the concept entirely and made a new iteration on it
flat vapor
if it's of interest, in the courtyard the weapons to the left are all the melee weapons (sword, spear, shield) and the weapons on the right are the ranged (bow and rail)
there's one more spot on the right for the 6th weapon
idle lily
hmmmm
main plume
It will be a ranged weapon which hits in melee range
idle lily
throwable? nahhh
void nova
lol
brisk trail
i don't see what other ranged weapon you could add tbh
main plume
The bullets are heavy man
brisk trail
rail is already stretching it
drifting meteor
okay hear me out
lasers
main plume
But personally I think it will be some punching weapon
flat vapor
both spear and shield have ranged options, so i wouldn't be surprised at a mostly ranged weapon with melee options
void nova
sword is the only true melee weap
drifting meteor
gun that shoots shurikens and lightning confirmed
idle lily
haha "dual-wield chainsaw-laser-shotgun earrings... ooh comes with cupholders"
brisk trail
belly-releaser
void nova
i jsut want mooooore
moooore haaaadessss
keep releasing new weapons and gods and biomes and stuff in DLC i'll keep giving my money
i know that's not what SGG is about tho
drifting meteor
like, in regards to more content they could do a skullgirls and launch a kickstarter campaign for the dlc
really i just want to make it LOUD AND CLEAR in a place where they actually have a chance of seeing it that it would be really easy for them to suck out all my disposable income
brisk trail
just one more god man i swear i'll get clean after that just one more weapon just on-
void nova
haha
main plume
Who is god man
void nova
it must be a bit of a morally ambiguous undertaking to design something to have potentially limitless hours sunk into it
when i played transistor i kinda thought it was a very intentional decision to make the feeling of progress stop after a point
to free me from its grasp lol
brisk trail
especially when there already are madmen like schpoonman around here
void nova
even tho i wanted to keep progressing
brisk trail
What about me?
drifting meteor
i kind of wish that transistor had an endless mode for the survival tests
void nova
same!!!
brisk trail
and your 3 thousand hours in an unreleased game
drifting meteor
like, every 10 rounds add a new limiter until you have all 10
brisk trail
Oh.
void nova
i actually basically wrote them and said that
drifting meteor
then once you have all the limiters, stop giving new functions between rounds
brisk trail
i really enjoyed transistor but starting ng+ just stopped that enjoyment dead in its tracks
void nova
and said they should at least incorporate these awesome elements into a more long-term progression type thing in their next game, and they replied in some fashion, and oh yeah now hades exists you're welcome 😎
same
drifting meteor
but ng+ is when the game gets good
void nova
i basically found a build that was just broken OP, and iirc none of the limiters really felt like they added to the enjoyment factor
brisk trail
i had the same experience with pyre tbh
freed two people and left
everyone else can spend the rest of time in the underworld
cya
drifting meteor
at first i didnt know i wouldnt be able to save everyone, so i launched the characters i had no emotional attachment to into the commonwealth just to get them out of my party
then i got the news while chilling with my favs and was like "i made a horrible mistake"
main plume
I don't think you guys should be playing story focused games 🤔
brisk trail
i thought it was basically done tbh
i'll go back to it eventually
hades has made me want to go revisit the rest of sgg's catalogue
drifting meteor
i wanna milk hades dry of content first
brisk trail
same
drifting meteor
mind. gutter. out.
drifting meteor
jodi is sweet bab