I was hearing that, too.
#h1-discussion
stray knoll
sounds right
lemme check
yep
its not the whole thing, but the intervals between the two main pitches and the downward bit
it cant be an accident
tbf, Doom is about killing demons
so its fitting
remote lily
@gilded prism this + the fact i have LTE connection and after ~11pm it speed up 😄
cedar valley
i have no new weapon options how do i access them?
stray knoll
damn, i went from 10 hours played ,0 bosses, to beating the boss in elysium
either ive gotten better or the game is just a smidge easier
hybrid dirge
I don't know who decided that adding smoke was a good idea - it was horrible design in regular encounters and it's even worse in bossfights. should not be a thing
there are many ways to make the game difficult and they nailed most of them, no need to mess with clarity
humble pulsar
A lot of music in Hades has a bit of a Doom feel to it, mainly from all the heavy metal
cedar valley
omg i love eurodice
remote lily
I guess you cant wait to meet her second time to gift her with ambrosia ? 😄
humble pulsar
Eurydice best NPC
cedar valley
no arguement
hexed lynx
near robin
OK, new update looks AWESOME... how do I unlock the new aspects though? I played through a run up to the final boss, but didn't kill it. I had 1 heat, since that's all that the bounty gauge needed to fill it. Now I've got a key, but all the aspects are still locked on all the weapons, so I can't spend it?
Sorry if this is obvious in a guide somewhere. I forget what the tutorial that popped up on it said, and didn't see readily around
pallid grail
hi ^^ i'm new i byu the game long time ago for support you ^^ But i just learn you had a discord ><
I don't touche/play the game since i would discover it the Day one of his sell BUT i just tilted its a rogue like ... so each party/run is différent !!! so i will try the new udpate soon ^^
(sry bad english, i'm french so ...)
gilded prism
@near robin I don't think you can say the name of the final boss on this channel since it's a spoiler 
red coral
@near robin this is correct, please spoiler tag the final boss!
red coral
Thanks!
gilded prism
@pallid grail hey, nice to have you here 
remote lily
50mb to go and a little copy to desktop 😄 Im cooominnnnng
empty garden
Is it me, or when you approach someone you can give an ambrosia, you can't see how many you have in stock?
near robin
Guess my question is more "gameplay" so I'll try that channel 😀
frank heron
@near robin some elements from the update are available after you beat the final boss at least once from what I've seen
Like the possibility to spend the gemstones and stuff for decor
cedar valley
@near robin you need the new keys to unlock the new weapons
near robin
Yup I've got a new key, and it says "1" at the top of the weapon upgrade screen. Just can't seem to apply it to anything. Guess I'll figure it out. Might need to unlock the first one for 3 keys as the first step.
vast shell
I'm on run 24 and haven't beat the final boss yet, good place to pick up from with the new update or is this something i should experience fresh?
remote lily
I killed him around my 80 run 😄
its even worst for me because i also played before we had 4 levels haha
near robin
I don't think there's any need to reset. Up to you though
remote lily
and even 3 levels huh im so bad
near robin
Can always turn your darkness off or bump up the heat if you want more challenge. No need to give up what you've earned
gilded prism
tbh I got a very lucky build that time, I was basically unstoppable that game
rotund finch
did you guys see the new murder boat :O
IT LOOKS AMAZING
all of the new asphodel changes are so good the level of polish and care that went into it is lovely and along with Eurydice and the hydra changes it feels like a whole new zone
lyric talon
I love the update sooooo much
YESSS Asphodel looks astonighly incredible
The difference between Asphodel now and before is jaw dropping to me
I couldn't have possibly imagined such an improvement
Joanne is a legend
rotund finch
It makes it feel so much better to play through and in general while still barren and damaged like the intent also infinitely more lively and lived in looking
lyric talon
I love the bow again
I hated it in Big Bad, but its targeted special mode is insane and soo fun
hardy atlas
same, i love both the new aspects
chiron's in particular is huge for focus fire
hera's has some very cool combinations with cast boons too
steep kraken
What can I spend the new resources on? I can't seem to find a use for these keys
gilded prism
@fathom hound you can already watch it, I can send you the link if you want
fathom hound
Please do~
nocturne ginkgo
Aaaaah I'm so excited to see the new aspects
my favorite weapon was gun but I'm really looking forward to new ways to use bow
void vigil
haha, really?
this update is so full of new content, im thankful there arent any new boons on top of it
vast shell
ope... loaded up my save, tried to leave zag's room and the game crashed
hexed smelt
@turbid zenith that's intentional, the game doesn't delete a save file unless you then overwrite it with a new one, to prevent you from accidentally deleting a save file (or at least that's what i was told a while back!)
nocturne ginkgo
wait were we supposed to have all our data reset
?
I thought it was just supposed to change our heat to darkness
hexed smelt
i'm pretty sure it jsut switches your heat for darkness
nocturne ginkgo
all my data was reset
hexed smelt
if you lost your save data then something has gone wrong
nocturne ginkgo
thats unfortunate
I had maxed out the mirror and unlocked all the weapons
time to cry lmao
vale drift
Your save data hopefully is still there. Please check C:\Users[name]\Documents\Saved Games\Hades or similar.
nocturne ginkgo
there are files ther
How do I go about putting them back?
nevermind
all the saved files were created today
I wonder how that happened>
also should I take this to tech support to not clog general?
warm blade
i LOVE the update to asphodel
vale drift
Yes, please have a look in #hades-tech-fixes-old for possible next steps. I'm sorry this happened and that I couldn't be of more help straightaway.
warm blade
was it inspired by the sedlec ossuary? the chandeliers look similar
nocturne ginkgo
well I read through tech support and found that once your save gets lost its gone for good
nocturne ginkgo
I saw the new Death defied it doesn't look like it will trigger migraines anymore
Thank you devs
cedar valley
so how does the artemis boon compound with the reduced bloodstone time of the hera bow
vast shell
hey, where did the pact go
it crashes almost every time I hit f10 and it's been that way for as long as I've had the game- I take it it's still supposed to be accessible from the usual place?
prisma wind
I would say that finding the new Pact is unavoidable, provided you've cleared the game at least once
vast shell
ahhhh, i haven't cleared it yet
prisma wind
Ah, well, there you are 
vast shell
So it just unlocks later on now
(i haven't even tried playing with heat yet outside of the PAX booth challenge, I was just wondering where it had gone)
prisma wind
That's fair, since it used to unlock after the second boss
vast shell
yeah
gilded hawk
Incredibly based supergiant releasing the full version of the new song
(Which is lowkey spoilers, possibly?)
nocturne ginkgo
How many weapon keys are you able to get now?
gilded hawk
You get more by ramping up the heat by just one per weapon I think, so however many you need
I don't know what the weapons' max level is?
nocturne ginkgo
Thats kinda what I'm wondering cause I know you can level and unlock so I'm wondering if theres a cap
it doesn't seem like it cause you can find them in the trade shop
which I jsut saw
worn radish
wait so how do you get weapon customizations?
do you need to defeat the final boss ?
jovial nimbus
Yup
worn radish
ah
no wonder they are not showing up
and defeating boss in the past playtroughs doesnt seem to count
i see
jovial nimbus
Wait hold on.
worldly thicket
you need heat for that I think?
jovial nimbus
Yup. You won a game using the neccessary amount oh heat, then you will have the Cth key. And then you go back to the courtyard, the weapon spot will have a purple blackhole-ish after you pick a weapon up
Interact with it, and the aspects will show
worn radish
ah so i need to clear game with heat and i will only get upgrade for that weapon or any weapon?
worldly thicket
any
jovial nimbus
Any. That's why we have the new Cth key(s) now.
worn radish
last update seemed by far the best weapon
jovial nimbus
Oh, be careful with the shield. Some seemed to find some issues with its blocking dmg atm
worn radish
roger
is it normal that it doesnt show how much darkness you have during the game now?
oh
it does but now you need to tab
initnersting
prisma wind
You can get Chthonic keys without using heat
Each weapon can earn you either Chthonic keys or Diamonds from the bosses as the bounty. The first Heat requirement for the bounty system is zero heat, and then to get those rewards again with the same weapon, you must then increase your heat
prisma wind
I haven't actually checked, but I believe every threshold has its own bounties, so if you didn't do the lower threshold you should still be able to go down in Heat and get it
worn radish
huh
only one of the aspects is unlocked
do i need to max out and aspect to unlock aspect from different god/entity?
prisma wind
When you first unlock the Aspect system, the default Aspect is unlocked but the others require Chthonic keys to unlock
worn radish
oh i get it
quasi sleet
I just wanna thank whichever dev put in the voice line where zag says he can check other passageways after getting the sack
100% missed it
prisma wind
It's a nice feature, for sure
quasi sleet
was that added in this update or the last one?
i didnt really play the last one at all
prisma wind
Not sure, to be honest. I think it was around last time, though
quasi sleet
classic wow consumed the entirety of my free time for a minute there
but the new update is a sweet excuse to slow down
prisma wind
It really is a fantastic update. So many new things to check out
quasi sleet
im disappointed in some of the aspects
but like 35-50% of them are amazing
thats pretty good for a first pass
i just dont like the lazy hammer rip-offs
prisma wind
They are brand new, and I'm sure will be fine tuned or completely overhauled after sufficient feedback is given
quasi sleet
the buzzsaw shield, dash spear, and both bow ones are soooo sick
the rest are kinda meh
vast shell
i wouldn't call them "lazy hammer rip-offs" when it was clear that they were meant to replace certain hammer options?
quasi sleet
did they add replacement hammers for all of them?
patch notes were too long for me to remember
vast shell
yeah
ripe cedar
I reinstalled Hades/updated the game for this patch, and don’t have any of my old saves. Is that supposed to happen, or is that my cloud saves messing up?
prisma wind
You can have Heavy Slug anytime you want with Hestia
stuck flax
when i had to reinstall hades, my save disappeared aswell
frozen hemlock
anyone have a link for the devstream?
fleet schooner
Hey where do I see how much ambrosia I have now? Can’t find it at all
timber quartz
@mellow vault diamonds allow you to ||buy music for the music stand, which is a house renovation ||
(Re your feedback)
mellow vault
Ty Noel
worn radish
says 4th aspect is not unlocxked because renovation are not complete?
humble pulsar
Those darned underworld renovations
worn radish
do i need to renovate once to have 4th aspect enabled or is that mean that tthe 4th aspect will be revealed next patch?
halcyon heron
What's the "submit-a-bug-report" button again? And does anyone think my issue in #h1-tech-support is actually a bug?
Not sure if it doesn't matter because I continued a run prior to the update and things changed, and since this is early access "defensively programming" against this situation isn't worthwhile
timber quartz
@halcyon heron F10!
prisma wind
I responded in tech support, but no, it's not a bug worth reporting if you are continuing a pre-patch run
rotund finch
I missed the stream earlier :(
hopefully they upload it soon?
i tried the link in announcements to rewind it but its been too long i guess so i cant lol
humble pulsar
Ongoing Underworld Renovations is the ongoing joke for "unfinished content"
rotund finch
I wish their was a way to keep all those jokes in for full release lol
they are the best
cursive cedar
How do i remove heat now that the pact of pain is gone?
prisma wind
It's not gone, it's just moved to a new location
cursive cedar
Where'd it move to?
prisma wind
||The new Pact will appear at the exit window in Skelly's room as long as you've cleared the game at least once||
cursive cedar
By "cleared the game" do you mean i have to actually beat the game, start to finish, for it to appear??
prisma wind
Correct
cursive cedar
cries
humble pulsar
I believe beating it in a past version will count as well
prisma wind
It does, yeah
cursive cedar
The current setting is too hard for me. There's got to be another way.
I need to remove this heat.
prisma wind
Are you saying you have Heat equipped from pre-patch that didn't get taken off? This sounds like a bug
humble pulsar
It should have been automatically removed? If not, that's an f10 report
cursive cedar
That's correct, wightfyre
prisma wind
And you're not mid-run, correct?
cursive cedar
Thank you, cerberus
Well, i started the game after the patch, and have been through several runs and deaths already.
prisma wind
Gotcha. Definitely do a bug report 
then, as 
said
cursive cedar
Thanks you two!
prisma wind
Unfortunately for now you're probably stuck with it until a fix comes through
cursive cedar
Yep. 😦
This discord chat place is awesome. Couldn't get help on games this fast in the olden days 😉
prisma wind
It truly is a blessing 
cursive cedar
Thanks again, wightfyre and PearUhDox, you all rock. (And cerberus really is best boi!)
humble pulsar
I do need to change my name so people stop calling me Cerberus :kappa:
Normally if I'm memeing it's something overwatch related cause lol pfp
prisma wind
Just rearrange it to have PearUhDox at the front 
humble pulsar
good point
feral thicket
I would love to get a "heavy" weapon to use in the futur (a double-edged axe or a maul maybe) ❤
worn radish
am i crazy or shield had the more bounces upgrade and does not anymore?
odo i remember wrong or just bad rng or?
prisma wind
As far as I know Dread Flight is still in the game
fathom hound
"Miscellaneous
- Skelly: increased health (stationary jumping can be an effective form of cardiovascular exercise)"
But does he even have a heart and lungs?
versed lintel
Any favorite new weapon looks for you guys?
I got hera bow, it's effect is awesome, but it looks ||pretty over the top with all the skulls||
versed lintel
Nice man!
worn radish
dont think i got the key out of him tho >:{
versed lintel
All diamonds?
versed lintel
That should be enough
round rose
Oh man, so sad I got the "stuck with heat" bug too @cursive cedar
versed lintel
What are diamonds for actually?
prisma wind
Each complete run on a bounty threshold should get you 2 keys and 2 diamonds as far as I know
round rose
I've never beat the game vefore, almost got to the final boss, and now I'm stuck with heat 4
prisma wind
You can buy things from the Contractor or trade them for other things at the Broker
round rose
don't really wanna create a new save .-.
Just for me to know, 4 heat is like hella hard?
Or am I just very bad at the game?
versed lintel
Don't forget to submit a bug report
round rose
@versed lintel already did it o/
versed lintel
Well, they revamped it so ~5 old heat= 1 new heat and not sure if your old heat got converted
worn radish
does broker ever offer to trade cthonic keys for something?
versed lintel
In either case it should be beatable, just.. well... harder
Haven't seen that trade happen yet
@round rose try shield of chaos and build your special, the game can be a bit easier that way
round rose
Thanks @versed lintel I'm gonna try that
unique igloo
idk if I'm blind, but where do we go for the pact of punishment now? I had raised it pre update to just change up the pace, now I'm stuck running with no heals ;-;
prisma wind
Yes, you can trade with and for Chthonic keys
worn radish
havce anyone tried oput blitz disc yet?
prisma wind
If you haven't cleared the game, you may be experiencing the same Heat bug as others have reported
worn radish
does it mean that shield doesnt bounce with it?
versed lintel
Well, it should located ||above the exit from the weapon room|| but only after you've beat the game once
timber topaz
I, too, relate to Zagreus because I would also like a rake to swing up into my face, killing me instantly
versed lintel
runs through head which enemy weapons look like a rake to get the reference
@worn radish I imagine it like the zeus boon cast, maybe faster and more bounces?
worn radish
actually no
i just spent keys
it moves slowly and keeps dealing damage as it moves
its weird
i think i like default better
but this is neat to stack with dionisus
send it out there and just run around
and you still get you melee attack so in theory
you launch that thing
it keeps doing dots and you knowck people into it
huh an other interesting thing is if you launch it then run of screen it will stay at its max point forever
versed lintel
Can you launch a new one after?
worn radish
YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE SHIELD AT A TIME THATS LAUNCHED
oops sorry caps
its weird i am still not sure better or worse
serious dots stacking with dionisys on special
cuz it does its own damage every short interval and that stacks up poison
wonder how it works with more bursty specials
if its on every damage instance dionyssus is actually worse
and then the damage is truly nuts
dunny
acoustic wave
what's the diamond for? i can buy it for 1000 rn but i dont know if it's worth it
prisma wind
You can spend it at the House Contractor for renovations/music or trade it at the Broker
acoustic wave
thanks 🙂
brisk trail
so I have a few questions. For the Aegis, did they get rid of the ability to block all attacks while charging a bull rush?
unique igloo
so am I stuck with the heat until I beat the game?
brisk trail
or is it because I upgraded to the Bull shot?
prisma wind
That appears to be a bug right now, @unique igloo . It should have removed the Heat as part of the update for those who had it on
unique igloo
Damn, I couldn't beat the minotaur with healing before, now I gotta beat it without healing. That's a nightmare
prisma wind
I don't think they removed the blocking during Bull Rush to the best of my knowledge, but I'll do a run with shield next myself to see. If in doubt,
brisk trail
okay. I just finished a run and it was only blocking the projectiles from the witches and no other attacks
really messed up my flow since I'm used to being able to turtle around.
worn radish
lol that sield is like slow helicopter of death
if anyone here plays dota its a lot like timbersaw ult
brisk trail
I love the aegis, it's my favorite weapon out of all of them so far
its the first weapon I beat the game with
brisk trail
I'm also experiencing some issues with framerate since the update
my framerate seems to have dropped from about 60 to about 30
worn radish
bah its not great vs fast singular things that jump tho it seems
brisk trail
if I need to get more info in one of the other channels I totally understand
rotund finch
I love using Aegis especially with the new weapon changes, the slow helicopter of death is amazing and recalling it to trail behind you or mow through a group again is so satisfying
worn radish
aegis is my fav too
this plays so different
i think the most damage is sending the shield out then keep knocking the enemies into the shield for more and more dots
with regular attack
harder to set up but the damage is absurd
rotund finch
i almost never used the basic special so im loving being able to throw it out and time it with my torrent of dash attacks LOL
brisk trail
I'm actually a little sad that the ghost shield upgrade vanished
I loved it quite a bit since it allowed me to fling, keep bashing, and keep flinging
I do like the bull shot though
rotund finch
its spirit lives on at least in the Zeus aspect
and its so much better in my opinion
ornate shore
I SURE DO LOVE THAT NEMESIS ASPECT now i might actually use the sword whenever that darkness bonus rotates in for stygius
brisk trail
so, what is the final upgrade option? that's locked?
or is that spoiler?
I have access to the other two 3 since I got past the first boss during my first run, but the framerate issues and the fact that the aegis doesn't seem to block attacks anymore meant that I couldn't make it past the 2nd boss.
worn radish
oh hahaha
you can also send the shield out
and then keep running away from it when it returns for like unlimited dots
prisma wind
It doesn't exist yet @brisk trail
brisk trail
okay I'm not surprised
blissful gorge
I gotta say the bow is just... infinitely better than it was. The tracking dart is just awesome.
worn radish
man this is gonna take a while to figure out
brisk trail
I'm gonna mess around with the weapons see what I can find out
I really hope that the Aegis not blocking attacks while charging the bull rush/shot is a bug
but I'm also hoping that my framerate issues is just due to new patch messiness and not my computer really not being able to keep up anymore
ornate shore
@blissful gorge Coronacht is even better than before? 😍 I gotta give it a shot tomorrow night.
blissful gorge
One of the aspects basically makes it so you are the bullet hell
ornate shore
IN HADES' UNDERWORLD, BULLET HELL IS YOU
blissful gorge
One aspect makes it so your cast is now on your arrow, the other makes it so attack 'marks' and your special's arrows all track the mark
velvet lion
What's this supporting sister business Biggie Zaggz wanted to fight all 3 at once :-(
ruby palm
can u imagine dodging meg's, alecto's, and tisiphone's death circles in the tiny tiny tiny version of that chamber??
velvet lion
That would be beautiful
blissful gorge
Oh daaang. Blitz disk is impressive
velvet lion
Blitz disk?
prisma wind
Tisiphone's chamber is by far the worst to have Extreme Measures maxed out in
velvet lion
That alternative shield?
prisma wind
Yeah
ruby palm
i haven't actually gotten a chance to try the update yet :<
blissful gorge
It tosses out a ghost shield, that slowly spins forward and pulses out damage blasts
ruby palm
oh yeah what are the rail's aspects??
velvet lion
Saw the new admant rail skill rocket bomb... But also could get triple bomb
I can't say no to triple bomb
blissful gorge
-
- If you absorb your special you have 8 seconds of extra damage
- If you dodge/dash your next hit does a bunch of bonus damage
ruby palm
hUh
velvet lion
I love the new spear dash attack
prisma wind
Eris and Hestia are the Rail aspects. Perma version of Invigorating Blast for the former and rework of Heavy Slug for the latter
ruby palm
I'll have to test those before i decide if i like them
velvet lion
I loved heavy slug
velvet lion
That thing was just bawler sniper mode
blissful gorge
Blitz disc is basically like turning the shield into an ares blade cast
velvet lion
Frame rate seems to have dropped since update
Found the new song bit <3
Wow this new chamber oompth!
Ambrosia delight can upgrade boons to heroic <3
humble pulsar
2) If you dodge/dash your next hit does a bunch of bonus damage```
I believe #2 is actually after reloading the Rail.
stiff trellis
ok so
I love the new changes
The animations are clean, the new dash attack for the spear feels good, the new weapons variations seem really cool, and I like the new pact system
Orpheus and Eurydice look fantastic, too
I was looking forward to playing hades all day and I was not disappointed!
velvet lion
Wait a second... Fighting the mini boss in asphodel and Zag just said "Piss off" XD does he always do that?
halcyon heron
Ok this Charon aspect makes me no longer hate the bow
velvet lion
The new boss arena for asphodel Eeeeeep. I'm actually scared like the first time i saw this Muppet
It's dead but where's my pot chips?
prisma wind
No heals in the alt arena
velvet lion
This is more upsetting than running up to a wall and smacking it in castlevaina only to not find wall chicken :-(
prisma wind
Just like "real" snake oil, it has no medicinal value
tiny juniper
is there nowhere else to hear the new song? i really want to listen to it but i cant exactly start a run just for it at the moment
prisma wind
You can buy it from the Contractor if you have the music box, but that's still rng for it bring offered. It's on SG's YouTube though
velvet lion
I actually really like the new arena. I found the fight much more enjoyable and easier to dodge attacks
tiny juniper
oh it is, thank you so much. i thought it would take longer for the upload
velvet lion
Nothing quite like arriving at Elysium with 2 Lights of Ixions and running 12 heat.
Anyone tried out rocket bomb yet?
Rocket bomb with a controller is a yikes
Though triple bomb rocket bomb is decent
spare citrus
the new track ❤
velvet lion
Phew did it... Run completed with 12 heat <3
*Edit
I just learned that I only needed 1 heat on. The additional 11 I used gained nothing additional other than unlocking skellys second statue >.<
Only 71 minutes pmsl
onyx sigil
Is there currently any kind of vision impaired/high contrast setting I can find? Doesn’t seem to be anywhere in the menus, thought I’d ask
open pelican
Does anyone know a place where to see blitz disc on a video?
night turret
Disc is a bit meh...
vale kite
I tried putting a clown wig & makeup on orpheus for my pfp but the result is atrocious its not even funny
night turret
...Man, dont let my opinion of about your actions stop you...But why are you doing this? It costs you nothing to hold back, yet you still bring THIS to this accursed world.
vale kite
This? This is nothing
I put orpheus' face through faceapp but the app doesnt recognize a face
And i refuse to put eurydice through this process
Broccoli head girl didnt ask for this
night turret
Nobody did, but yeah it's not as cursed as chaos update was.
vale kite
Im glad my fans remember my profile pictures from previous updates
night turret
Been lurking for a while now.
prisma kite
Hah, I knew Asphodel was due for a visual upgrade! 😛
Felt a bit jarring at first because there was lot more going on visually but I think it's an improvement overall. Will take a bit getting used to though, the zone transfers in particular!
autumn pagoda
Goddammit. Who in devteam [redacted] decision make Tisiphone's melee attack with almost instant repeat with brand new dash in Zagreus direction (on repeat)! 
- get Furies on maximum difficulty vs Tisiphone now kinda tradegy, not a guranteed defeat but most likely lose of most hp. No idea how evade that attack with +30% pact speed. 
vale kite
it's fun
stoic osprey
vale kite
<- last thing you see when you're eurydice and trying to escape hell
oblique tulip
lol
fair sparrow
Weapon Aspects: unlock specially-enchanted alternate forms for each of your different weapons
Where do i find/unlock this?
nocturne ginkgo
You have to beat bosses with heat on
and it unlocks a key, after you get the key when you pick a weapon theres an orb in the weapon slot that lets you pick
fair sparrow
I see
onyx sigil
Why are diamonds?
vale kite
diamonds are for buying the music stand/ingame soundtrack
as well as ||lounge cleanup and more||
still lava
the rocket upgrade for stygian rail could be so much fun but right now it's suuuuper underwhelming
- less base damage
- slower rate of fire (especially with triple)
- longer reload
- smaller aoe
- collision needs a lot of work, it's too tight to hit enemies reliably but impacts on walls behind you that you're standing against
thanks for coming to my ted talk
I can't think of a single edge case where they're actually an improvement
rigid grotto
Coolness factor
worn radish
So is there a way to unlock the 4th aspect?
On the dev stream they were def using 4th aspect for aegis
But I didn't find a way to unlock it
night turret
I mean those 4-th ones are place holders for sure.
half star
how does the bounty system work exactly?i had done the 1 heat blade run,did a 0 heat run after and it reset it back to heat 1 instead of requiring 2
is this intentional?
can get the rewards from 1 heat again
night turret
If you cleared heat 1 that's it.
half star
i've cleared 1,then 0,now i can clear 1 again and get rewards
not showing as completed anymore
night turret
Pretty sure it is not supposed to work that way >_> You did not change the weapon, right?
half star
i did a spear run after doing my first sword run but i remember checking and it was still asking for 2 heat for next bounty after that one
i think it has something to do with lvl 0 heat showing as completed but not showing the rewards from it
night turret
Every weapon has different bounties. Maybe some witchcraft-buggery on your side.
half star
i'm aware,the 2 heat was only on the sword
i think this is recreatable by anyone,just don't do a no heat run until you want to reset your bounties lol
worn radish
I know Huron bow is awesome but what about that vast bow aspect. I tried it and it seemed underwhelming. Anyone got some good use out of it? If so what did you do?
Cast bow aspect. Sorry. Am on mobile
Like may be you can load festive fog in it, but even then how is it any better then just casting it
vernal phoenix
It’s good for cast builds, especially with Artemis as it lowers the amount of time the cast lasts in the enemy
At least that’s how I use it
worn radish
Ah so mostly for cool down i see
Yeah was not a fan still not
Achiless spear seems cool but it's really dangerous in asphodel
So many times to into lava
autumn pagoda
Hunter's Mark (Artemis): dealing Critical damage to foes with the 'Marked' Status Curse clears the effect (patch note quote)
l'm got pretty sad when managed make new Critical Rail Heavy Shotgun combo. (Adamant Rail: Artemis every crit boon + Hera Aspect/heavy slug replace + Daedalus Shotgun) but noticed marks going down after first hit, my index finger literally turned into reload finger - never reloaded rail so much. 
worn radish
I am kinda looking forward to upgrading zag aspect either on spear or rail
Oooh I was thinking how to use that reload aspect on rail
Gonna try that now when I get home from work
autumn pagoda
Get prepared ur index finger 
@worn radish
autumn pagoda
l'm think they will in next updates, not now.
autumn pagoda
worn radish
So it must exist right? Right?
vale kite
all weapons only have 3 aspects for now
olive jungle
There are two aspects available for the shield in addition to zagreus aspect, chaos aspect and zeus aspect
worn radish
I need to pay attention lol
So chaos is one of the other two
Lol
I was too excited
autumn pagoda
stopped search - thx @vale kite also @olive jungle
worn radish
Yeah thx
vale kite
ur desperate plea, on the other hand, was heard
worn radish
I am also thinkin on cast shard dislodge build on blade
But man melee builds seem bad as opposed to ranged
You get hit so much more in melee
vale kite
depends of your build
vale kite
yeah thats a good synergy
worn radish
But once again melee range seems oof
May be I am just too old
But I get hit so much more with blade
Short of some ultra instinct I dunno how not too eat too much damage
night turret
Well the trick with the blade is to learn how it moveset works
worn radish
And bosses just do me in cuz you are so close
Right
But like what to do with being so close when it's like bull of minos
It just wrecks in melee range
autumn pagoda
@worn radish "melee builds seems bad" ; try dis Blade/Shield: Ares Attack + Athena Dash + Their Duo (Ares + Athena). Very aggressive playstyle.
worn radish
Kk will try
I think it's mostly cuz I don't have good twitch instincts
I mean in theory most attacks are telegraphed so I suppose if one is fast you go in for melee attacks then dodge out for enemy atyacks
But I always miss it lol
autumn pagoda
@worn radish Athena crutch will help you. (Athena Call)
worn radish
Right
Will try Athena ares combo
Athena dash I best dash for me anyways lol
I love that deflect on demand
Man I also wanna upgrade zag aspect in spear
Tsk tsk how to farm do many cthic keys
Spear throw with plus 50%range seems so good
In theory at least
You can just snipe people screen away
But 3 keys is o.O
night turret
Well it is supposed to be a longevity aspect.
worn radish
Ya I know I just wanna try so many things and I already farmed all the easy runs for keys
Eesh
Lop
Could perhaps be neat to be able to change weapons between biomes, what do you all think?
Like keepsakes
surreal crown
Is it intended that Chaos's Attack damage bonus on Dash attack doesn't work for the Bow? Both normal and Dash Attacks deal roughly the same damage, even though I have +65% and +108% Bonus damage on dash...
zenith carbon
Anyone else feel like the mouse is sluggish in the current version? I haven't played in a bit so I don't know if it happened before the most recent update
Could just be my imagination that it was ever any different too I suppose
patent umbra
Bows dash attack does reduced damage but charges much faster
feral thicket
how do we unlock the new weapon mods ?
jagged badger
@feral thicket with the new pact system
vernal phoenix
You get keys by doing the new weapon bounties
livid glen
do you have all weapons unlocked?
feral thicket
still need to unlock the railgun
livid glen
i think you need to unlock it before you get access to the mods
at least it was like that for me
feral thicket
k thx, i'll see for that
buoyant frigate
Is it possible to watch the dev stream in retrospect? Or only live?
red coral
It should be on YouTube soon!
wooden quartz
nooooo mirage flight was removed
im gonna have to completely rework all my shield builds
olive jungle
Look around! You might see the ghost of mirage flight hanging about somewhere...
vale kite
the mirage of mirage flight
halcyon heron
Does anyone else feel that the cthonic key should be something other than a key? "Cthonic Eye" since it's like chaos seeing everything over history. I just feel like 2 key "currencies" are confusing
Gameplay wise I think it's a great mechanic, I just think the currency should be something else
vale kite
theres one regular key and one key with an eyeball
halcyon heron
Right, I know. I'm just saying that of all the currencies in all of gaming, they chose 2 keys?
Guess I'm alone on this one
red coral
You could leave it as feedback in #hades-feedback if you want
void vigil
yeah! thats a good idea
halcyon heron
Yeah, I usually try to at least talk it out to see if I'm crazy
gilded hawk
I think it's a matter of them unlocking things
worn radish
I agree it would be less confusing if cthonic key was something else
Like cthonic eye
Or cthonic shard
Also is there a reason I can't actually post in feedback channel?
Is that only for special people or something?
red coral
Read pins in that channel
rigid grotto
I’m with you claw but it’s not something I really care that much about
halcyon heron
Yeah, it's not a dealbreaker, just a small thing fo rme
autumn pagoda
Undocumented change l suppose? Hunting Blades buffed to 4,4s. (+100% power) - or l'm just slowpoke? Proof: https://imgur.com/a/w4Lub4w
l'm checked patch notes - and in game, its really 4,4s. Not 2,2s anymore.
sullen nimbus
I like the new update, cool idea with the weapon upgrades. I hope there will be a fix for the pact of punishment v2, currently stuck on +300% dmg modifier and unable to change it back due to the pact altar not spawning.
The weapon altering effects make some of the weapons more interesting again though 🙂
fiery pebble
Well there is an aspect thats a bit like Mirage Flight
But it moves slowly and is persistent
autumn pagoda
l'm just somehow crashed Hades via CTRL+F10 combination on winning screen, all run results was not saved. just tried remember how record last 20 minutes with nvidia magic tool
R.I.P. new combo for archive (Blade Rifts improved with Bow Hera Aspect). Actually it old combo but run was very broken. 
halcyon heron
Charon's aspect makes me not hate the bow
Although Achille's aspect makes me hate the spear, but it's good it's optional
split swift
brisk trail
is this game even out yet?
chilly stump
Hey Berserk! Hades is currently available in Early Access on the Epic Games store, and is coming to Steam Early Access on December 10th. If you're wondering about the full 1.0 release, we expect it to be available in the second half of 2020. 👍
brisk trail
Ahh, thanks. I've been eyeing it for a little bit and was wondering when it was gonna come out.
chilly stump
My pleasure! If you decide to pick it up, I hope you enjoy it! 🎉
drifting phoenix
for me the "old" heat skull still appears with a number on the upper right corner of the screen, and foes still deal significantly higher damage. I haven't reached the new pact yet. Has anyone experienced this also?
olive jungle
@drifting phoenix Yes, this is a known bug with saves coming into the new patch with heat equipped. Report with F10; we're looking into it!
drifting phoenix
okay, done, thanks 🙂
gilded prism
Eurydice looks stunning uwu
blissful gorge
Alright, yeah, both "aspects" of the bow imensly improve it.
I was curious how the "spell" version would be good, but then I found out you can load multiple spells on a single arrow
gleaming timber
Is the dev stream uploaded anywhere?
brisk trail
YouTube, I think.
gleaming timber
I can't find it :c
gilded prism
I could send you the link
brisk trail
I could not find that. Nice!
gilded prism
proven schooner
where is the new pact? ever since the update ive been stuck with heat activated that i dont want anymore
brisk trail
It's through the exit after you've cleared at least once. This is a known bug that is being addressed.
sullen nebula
https://i.gyazo.com/d1dcdb7ed30e9c422b8cbfbf7c3515b5.png When did Hades lose his scroll?
gilded prism
probably burned it with his cape on accident
proper dagger
I must say Orpheus does look a little like his comic father Sandman.
lyric talon
A friend of mine described him as "glam rock"
proper zodiac
HEY SO
aw i csn post pictures...
Can't
The spirit eith a chefs hat
I love them
sullen nebula
that's interesting if true
dreamy prairie
Hey y’all is it okay to discuss lore here?
Cause we talked about Zag and Dionysus this week in myth...
round rose
Hey, can somebody tell me where I can find a the music that Eurydice plays when u meet her in the game?
dreamy prairie
I think our boy is a little too used to death because OW???
Dionysus Zagreus got torn apart by Titans where they devours his body, but the heart was swallowed by Zeus, and THEN he is reborn
vast shell
not sure why the preview's not showing up properly (at least on my end) but there's the song
still lava
what's the exclamation mark/star symbol next to some decorations mean?
humble pulsar
i think the preview thing is something with discord
seems to not like some youtube links now
gilded hawk
Out of curiosity, what's y'all's best time?
brisk trail
22 or 24 minutes and change.
gilded hawk
Apparently, the last update had runs at around ~10 minutes
I really wish I had recorded this last run I did because I got to 19
Gotta say, I really appreciate the amount of care towards speedrunning
short flame
RIP Stygius t-pose attack
low venture
Hmmm.... StyxBot doesn't seem to be working in the feedback channel?
Oh, there we go
void vigil
yeah 
humble pulsar
20 minutes on the Adamant Rail. Hestia Spread Shot is op
Prior to the introduction of Styx, it was 16 minutes on the Sword
sterile peak
is there a link to the livestream vod or is it not up yet
humble pulsar
not available at this time
frozen snow
I don't know if I missed it, but do we know what you can use diamonds for?
Ah, I see it now.
river notch
the link preview is not new. some roles, i assume can post a link and the preview with show and others don't get it via the role settings
candid veldt
I wasted 3 Keys on a chest that I later realized contained 150 Health that I did not need, Is it possible to have different chest designs for the different rewards. Like a different coloc, or gold or gems or food spilling out of it.
unkempt sleet
That sounds like a suggestion for #hades-feedback
void nova
who all can post in the feedback channel?
i had some feedback, but...apparently i can't post in there 🤷
radiant tangle
The pins in there give instructions on how to post feedback
rustic canopy
I've done 3 runs since the update and I don't quite get the point of these "bounties" or what they unlock. Should I just keep playing and I will understand.? (not sure if it's related but haven't met Eurydice yet)
void nova
thanks 🙂
radiant tangle
@rustic pecan The only item that counts down on empty chambers is the Hydralite, which does so because it takes effect regardless of what rooms you're going through. Also, there is a Chaos boon that counts down on empty chambers: the one that makes you unable to tell which doors you're going through. It used to only count encounter rooms, but that turned out to be too frustrating because you'd be punished for accidentally entering noncombat rooms.
void nova
oh interesting, makes sense
rustic pecan
That does make sense, then
digital jewel
I have to say whatever they did to polish up and adjust the Stygian Blades feel/animations has brought it back with a vengence, also Piercing Wave + whatever the attack speed increase upgrade is called is SO GOOD.
vivid tendon
So, uhhmm, I'm in a non combat chamber at the moment with a new NPC - a singing lady. She told me to come on in, and there is a speech mark above her head. There are no stairs up to the platform she is on, and I cannot exit the chamber without talking to her.
Bug, or am I an idiot? http://puu.sh/EqUI9/f4c572d5e7.png
Huh, I can dodge through that wall there
Is this on purpose? It is not signposted at all
unkempt sleet
You can dodge through most walls and objects in the game, it's the most effective way to deal with A's charge
hexed smelt
you may want to spoiler tag the image by putting || on either side of it!
remote lily
It's all good
steel hearth
Not sure if this is a bug or intended, which is why I'm posting here. But final boss fight, I can usually dash through ||his aoe burst, both from boss and skulls|| without taking damage if I time it right, unless I have athena's deflect dash ability, then I almost always take damage from dashing through those attacks no matter how I time it. Is this intended/a bug/am i just getting complacent and timing wrong when I have her dash?
rugged crown
im not against gemstone and diamond but they feel a bit superflous as a drop which remove a normal drop, they could have added they as extra rather than room drop :p
olive mortar
rugged crown
f10 in game if im not mistaken
hexed smelt
no, press f10 ingame
alpine stratus
no, you really should use f10!
hexed smelt
hat
alpine stratus
hat
tepid yacht
i sure hope so because it's the best tbh
void nova
I posted this in feedback last night assuming it didn't really have any downsides and would likely be unanimously supported, but instead it's been almost unanimously opposed, I'm just hoping some of y'all can give me perspective on what I must be missing. Is this abusable somehow?
request: keep the persistent resources (darkness, gems, diamonds, etc), dialogue progress, bounties, etc.. that you've earned so far in the run, even if you quit and abandon the run. i just somehow managed to accidentally quit while frantically battling through Styx. it was disappointing enough to lose my build and chance at escape, but having absolutely nothing to show for the past hour+ is extra disheartening. (i love this update tho, thanks y'all!)
olive jungle
There are two ways to quit - quitting and giving up
The game auto-saves in every room, so if you haven't entered combat yet or you've finished a room, you can quit and keep your progress and keep going at a later time, if you need a break or something
nocturne ginkgo
idk thats just the way the game works while I wouldn't mind a give up option that let you keep the resources to restart a run
I do feel like a keep the resources quit option takes away from the "story" of fight through til you die
and Obviously opinions
timid wadi
does anyone know the meaning of the small cutscenes of hades before you start a run with a random word highlighted?
void nova
Yeah I understand why giving up during combat causes you to forfeit your progress in the run, I just don't get why you also need to forfeit all the persistent resources you gathered along the way, at least make the time spent worthwhile to some extent y'know? I just feel like I wasted my whole evening last night now, and I don't really see how holding onto some darkness would impact the narrative experience at all? Like, giving up could be considered death, so you could still have the narrative of fight-til-you-die, no?
halcyon heron
So with the roadmap stating "8 olympians" does that completely exclude Apollo? Or is there still hope he's added as a real Olympian
radiant tangle
He's counted as an Olympian
halcyon heron
I can't get a boon for him, gift him ambrosia, see a "trial of the gods" between him and artemis
That's what I meant
radiant tangle
He gives boons, and you definitely can gift him
nocturne ginkgo
Apollo isn't in the game?
halcyon heron
Are you thinking of Hermes? Because Apollo and Hermes are not the same God
nocturne ginkgo
yeah
radiant tangle
Oh, I was talking about Hermes
I thought you were too
What I mean to say, then, is that Hermes is counted as the 8th Olympian
humble pulsar
While Apollo is an Olympian, he's not currently in Hades
nocturne ginkgo
Hermes is not the 8th I think they said
rigid grotto
Give up loads the save from before you started the run, also, why should you keep the things you earn, I just don’t see a reason for why you should
fiery pebble
Easy answer, because you could just run into the lava, and wait out your Death Defies there
All you would do is make it less inconvenient
rigid grotto
But in that case why not just finish the run
If you don’t like the run, hitting give up locks you into the same seed
So there’s no point in not continuing, as if you hate the run and don’t want to continue playing, you can’t press give up anyway
fiery pebble
I mean the case to be made is that it shouldnt do that
It should just treat you as if you died
rigid grotto
Well that’s a different feedback then
void nova
Fair, I'll try to come up with a rewording. I think that makes it more clear and concise anyway
It's the same seed tho? I didn't realize that.. will let be the same even if I choose a different weapon/keepsake
?
rigid grotto
I believe so, but heat used to change it
Idk if it still does
Also, one reason I was inclined to disagree with that feedback was that the example you gave was extremely rare, being late into a run and accidentally hitting give up
fiery pebble
Oh my god, I have not heard the "In the name of someone very sore right now" line after beating the final boss before
Thats amazing
Ok, the western entrance to the lounge upgrade is not worth 7 diamonds
iron plaza
How do you get permission to post in the hades-feedback channel?
steel hearth
Look through the pinned messages in the channel, it'll give you the info
void nova
do you guys think this feedback better explains my intention? i just wanna make sure i'm offering the feedback that i really want to and allow people to vote on it fully understanding what is meant by it. Also the italic bits might be unnecessary, but I also thought they might help give perspective on the actual impact of this potential change:
I think it would make more sense to treat "Giving Up" a run the same as dying, rather than resetting all your progress to the last House save. Currently you can accomplish the same thing by allowing yourself to be killed, but that is unnecessarily inconvenient and more immersion-breaking, IMO. This solution would also make an accidental "Give Up" less disheartening--I know that's rare, but it did happen to me last night, which made me think of this in the first place.
hexed smelt
i don't understand how you button-mashed hard enough to accidentally give up mid-run anyways 
void nova
lol believe me, i was impressed myself
i sat there for like probably a good thirty seconds just staring at the screen like.....did that really just happen?
then i loaded and checked my bounties and was like ah....nice..they're all gone :rip:
bad enough was that i was actually pretty dang stoked on my build that run, i had just had easily my most successful battle with theseus and asterius, but losing that progress is understandable and nobody's fault more than my own.
it's just the losing all the persistent resources and story beats and stuff that made me feel like damn, that was really just a complete waste of my evening 😭
steel hearth
I'm surprised it had you 'give up' outside of Tartarus, instead of just quitting. When it quits, it will load you back in to the last room you entered, and your boons/collectables so far should be persistant. Honestly didn't know you could give up outside of Tartarus and thought you just had to suicide if you wanted to get back to the house
hexed smelt
"give up" and "exit" are two different things
"exit" saves your progress and you can reload and keep going, "give up" does not and kicks you back to the house as if the run never started
hexed smelt
yes, it does that.
if you've taken damage in the current room, the option will say "give up"
(i can't remember if just being in combat is what switches it but i definitely know taking damage switches it to "give up")
steel hearth
Oooooh, ok, didn't know that's how it worked. Then I would say a 'give up' outside of Tartarus should be just a seppuku scenario, so not all that time is lost. Just being in combat doesn't change it, 'cause I'm in the middle of combat right now when I paused and it says 'quit' xD
hexed smelt
i don't see what the problem is with needing to finish a run to keep the stuff you've earned
either by dying or by winning
void nova
Totally, do you think dying should be different from giving up tho? Sorry, hard for me to keep track lol
rigid grotto
Also I like the current implementation of give up, because otherwise there is no way to save your seed
void nova
Hmmmm
rigid grotto
If they did add a die button I would like it to be different from give up
steel hearth
I think it would be best to count as a death, and I don't actually like that give-up saves the seed, takes away the unpredictability of the run
rigid grotto
Good for speedruns
void nova
Isn't allowing to try again with the same seed kinda going against the notion of what the giving up mechanic is trying to accomplish in the first place? At that rate why not just allow progress save at any point? This just makes it more inconvenient
Ooh there should be a way to export/import seeds
rigid grotto
There is but it involves manually copy pasting save files
I would like a seed input option
halcyon heron
We asked for the export/import seed a long time ago, nothing really came of it
steel hearth
my basis is Binding of Isaac, so my preferred way to have run seeds is to allow them to be saved/input, but not save persistent resources when you have the input seed active
sullen nebula
is it by design that if you kill the game process, you get yeeted to house of hades instead of the place of your last save?
rigid grotto
?
halcyon heron
sullen nebula
I killed the process of the game mid-run. Now I can't continue my run. I am in the House
halcyon heron
Were you in a room that you started?
I find the rules are that if you ALT-F4 during combat, you get sent back.. (not sure how it works if you alt-f4 after you've beaten a room, but not selected a door) if you ALT-F4 if you start a room you're fine
sullen nebula
I was closing and relaunching the game on Euridice room. At some point the 'close window' button stopped working. I killed the process. Now my last save is in House of Hades instead of Asphodel
fiery pebble
Its on damage
So long as you dont take damage, it remains quit
If you do, it becomes give up
sullen nebula
well I certainly wasn't taking damage there
now I start the run on this seed for the third time 🙂
halcyon heron
could be that the eurydice room isn't coded as safe or something. it is a new room.
sullen nebula
yeah I guess I'll check next time
void nova
that must be a bug if so
sullen nimbus
any news on when the pact of punishment bug will be fixed? Getting 217 dmg from single attacks and not being able to change the pact is not so fun
sullen nimbus
if there won't be a fix I guess I won't have a choice yeah
lament hare
Two months to the day until steam release
sterile peak
hey look at that they fixed it @sullen nimbus
rigid grotto
Lol nice
sullen nimbus
❤
solid vine
has there been any word of a switch release?
vale drift
I deserve exactly zero credit for that fix though thank you! Hope it gets you out of the bind ASAP.
halcyon heron
They haven't explicitly talked about what platforms they're releasing on. However I believe that steam early access is confirmed for december
solid vine
dope
I've bought all the other supergiant games twice, no reason to not do it on this one lol
vale drift
@solid vine Yeah, what Claw said. We expect to bring Hades to other platforms once we exit Early Access sometime in the second half of next year. We haven't nailed down which platforms just yet though appreciate your interest. In the meantime, we are indeed bringing Hades to Steam Early Access on December 10.
solid vine
just in time for paternity leave ❤
livid cargo
I mean like we can pet the dog so I'm good
brisk trail
so the shield has been fixed and can reliably block attacks now?
void nova
nice dec 10 is my birthday, good present 😄
red glade
Does anyone know if when hades releases on steam with achievements, our current saves will retroactively unlock them?
rigid grotto
Probably not
zealous timber
@red glade We are still figuiring those types of details out and may not have answers to them until closer to launch.
red glade
@Amir Ok thanks for replying
brisk trail
hoenstly I don't mind using the epic launcher for Hades. It's a single Player game and it's not like I don't have steam open in the background
red glade
@brisk trail yeah that's how i've been using it as well, only launch epic when I want to update
brisk trail
Anyways, it's good to see that the Aegis has been fixed and it's easier to block attacks with the Aegis again
cause that was really messing me up when I couldn't block attacks with the Aegis
rigid grotto
Only with charged shot
storm wraith
logs in
favorite weapon's aspect, Eris, got nerfed
A sad development, but an expected one 
red glade
I'm glad we can see the ambrosia in runs again
brisk trail
yeah but considering how much I loved that upgrade
it's nice to know that I don't get screwed over on the defensive end by picking it up
brisk trail
the loss of the dash is already a pretty hefty loss form teh bull rush
god I can't type right now
rigid grotto
And the complete invincibility the bull rush gives you
But the dmg of charge shot is constant and not dependent on charge level
brisk trail
I mean, the dash aspect of the bull rush has some seriously great uses, and I'm definitely going to be weighing the usability of the charge shot compared to the massive versatility of the bull rush
rigid grotto
So it’s tons of dps up close
brisk trail
which is really nice
I think I may stick with the default bull rush depending on what boons I pick up, but choose bull shot when I have boons that support it better
rigid grotto
Sudden rush, sudden Rush!
void nova
dang i haven't even played with the shield yet in the new update, and shield was always my fav. i gotta try that new aspect where it allows multiple specials after bull rush, i almost never use bull rush so this'll be a good way to inspire me to figure out how to incorporate it
rigid grotto
That one is super fun
void nova
i also really like the idea of the sword special causing the bloodstones to dislodge, that's what i was using last night during that awesome run that i ruined 😭
rigid grotto
Did you have exit wounds?
brisk trail
Yup, Artemis that causes enemies to take damage whenever a Bloodstone pops out.
void nova
ah yeah.. hmmm did i have that? i feel like i might have. i know i had artemis cast at least
that would be awesome though
radiant tangle
140 at epic level
rigid grotto
140 my b
radiant tangle
Used to be 300 at epic level, but that would've been way too good
rigid grotto
100/120/140 now?
void nova
i had a duo boon i'd never seen before that guaranteed at least epic boons, which was cool
rigid grotto
As far as rarities
radiant tangle
Yeah
sullen nebula
Just had a conversation with Chaos about the shield, while I am holding the Rail. Is this how it's supposed to work?
radiant tangle
If they were talking about you wielding the shield, probably not
vale drift
@sullen nebula That's a bug, sorry about that. It's already fixed in our internal build and will be fixed in next update.
sullen nebula
cool
vale kite
look into my eye https://i.imgur.com/urQNQir.jpg
steel hearth
I think the boon that garuntees future epics is Dionysus/Poseidon. I've only seen/gotten it twice, it's very nice.
radiant tangle
That looks so good
fiery pebble
It really does, such a shame its on the worst aspect
vale kite
the what now
worn radish
So uh
fiery pebble
The worst aspect
vale kite
im not sure i heard that properly
worn radish
Am I reading this right? There's 4 more zag levels for upgrades?
radiant tangle
Yep!
fiery pebble
I guess an argument could be made for the Zagreus Aspect of bow
radiant tangle
I'm excited to see how fast I can get myself moving
worn radish
Did they just scale each down?
radiant tangle
I don't know, I haven't checked yet
vale kite
yeah so you can have +500% power shot window on the bow zag aspect
fiery pebble
Which is cute, but
worn radish
Cuz I MEAn spear had plus 50 speed
fiery pebble
Id rather just not have that and have bow be more fun
worn radish
And most importantly distace
If spear range gets any longer it's gonna be a ballistic missile
worn radish
Does spear really go beyond 50% extra range? Can't check am at work
worn radish
Jesus it's true
fiery pebble
Im also a little disappointed that the Achilles aspect doesnt have explosive launcher
worn radish
Holy mother of god
fiery pebble
Imagine if Zag just yeeted himself at the enemies and exploded
steel hearth
Getting back at all those exploding baby-chariots by imitating them
worn radish
That's gonna get patched there's no way plus 250% range island speed is not borked
fiery pebble
Eh it probably isnt
Its just hilarious
Since at some point the range increase really doesnt matter
Besides, given that one of the options for upgrades is Achilles's aspect, its fine
Kinda wish all upgrades were on that level
brisk trail
I thought Achilles Aspect was pretty good when I had Hunting Blades.
worn radish
Sure there are probably no roo. S big enough
But speed is huge too
I dunno seems op
fiery pebble
Achilles aspect is amazing
worn radish
But I will gladly farm more of those keys
fiery pebble
As I said, its what I wish all upgrades were
worn radish
Eh. I dont like it. I like spear cuz I can nuke things from way safe range
worn radish
True enough
fiery pebble
I was more referring to powerlevel and design rather than universality
worn radish
Spamming critted spear special off screen is... Satisfying lol
fiery pebble
And some are like that
Hestias is great, Chirons while weak is at least conceptually great
Even Poseidons
brisk trail
Chiron has mad potential, it just hasn't been explored yet.
fiery pebble
But then you have Chaos Aspect which is close to useless, Zeus aspect which is just weak, and nemesis which isnt good even when fully upgraded
Idk, I put as much damage on chiron as possible
brisk trail
Nemesis is Empowering Nova, A-tier minimum.
fiery pebble
And it still failed to outperform regular bow
brisk trail
Chaos is excellent for spreading Doom.
fiery pebble
Eh, Empowering Nova was good when it was 100%, borderline when 50%, and not good when it was 25%
brisk trail
I press LMB and then RMB and I've got a full Low Tolerance stack. 🤷
worn radish
Am I reading patch notes right? You can now Achilles at range of your choosing not just max range?
fiery pebble
Nemesis blade barely fits 25%
brisk trail
50 and 100 are OP, not "good".
fiery pebble
100% was OP, 50% was arguably just good
You lose a decent chunk of time from using special, so you have to get enough crits in those 2 seconds for it to pay itself back
At 15%-25% it doesnt
brisk trail
I'm curious if you've used maxed level Nemesis since the patch has dropped.
fiery pebble
I used empowering nova at 25% a couple times
It was not good
Nemesis Blade is only uh
Actually what is its final amount, 35%?
brisk trail
Yeah.
fiery pebble
Well its better, but probably not that much better, and thats compared to insane boosts like Achilles and Hestia
brisk trail
I'm still wondering why you're on about Achilles, because it was pretty weak when I used it at a high level.
fiery pebble
I found it to be pretty great with a quick spin build
sullen nebula
brisk trail
I just saw that Kremennik, but it didn't occur to me to cap it.
I'm glad SGG is being precise, but I think this might be more information than we need.
fiery pebble
Because the boost Achilles gives does apply to spin
And you can start the spin charge with the dash
So you dont do that weird attack that slows you down
The only really weak ones are stuff like Chaos which is pretty much pointless
And maybe the blast one from rail, but Ive not tried it yet
lapis parrot
https://i.imgur.com/r5nBtqh.png How do I get to her?
Am I missing something or did the game generate an impossible level?
worn radish
Renovations gone too far
alpine stratus
dash!
lapis parrot
Thanks 😄
alpine stratus
it confused me too haha
worn radish
Patches mention some quest line w her
But I only had her cham Er two times
Chamber
Is she supposed to be in every asphodel run or just rng?
patent umbra
She shows up like sisyphus or patroclu
worn radish
Ah ok
humble pulsar
Boons are always that precise, normally they're just rounded though in the UI :p
sullen nebula
https://i.gyazo.com/09702e5c97621de4d1fcb50490af44b2.png Just did a run with this setup, started getting darkness on bosses instead of the supposed rewards
candid veldt
I just beat Alecto with 2 heats for the firts time with the Hestai aspect of the Railgun and got darkness out of it instead of the bounty I should have had? Is it a bug or do you only get the bounty while using the Zagreus aspect of weapons?
tepid flax
candid veldt
Are diamonds only there to buy new tracks for orpheus and if so, why diamonds as a resource for that? Sheet music or Ink would seems more appropriate? Diamonds seem overkill.
patent umbra
There is atleast one decoration option that costs diamonds
halcyon heron
Alright, so in the event that I get a speeding ticket due to listening to "God of the Dead", is there a supergiant lawyer I can contact?
humble pulsar
Unofficial SGG Attorney here to give you sound legal advice:
Don't speed. :Kappa:
zealous timber
We are looking into issues of Bounties not being properly awarded right now.
sullen nebula
yeah, I'd advise to not play the current patch if you want to earn the keys/diamonds
red glade
yup just gave up on that run
timid terrace
Hello i see we have a fresh update. Is there a new content AFTER defeating the redacted?
quasi sleet
not exactly
but there is a whole new weapon upgrade system
and a whole new heat system
timid terrace
Want some story after breaking to the winter lands pepe hands
quasi sleet
and yeah I've done 3 runs without getting bounties now, submitted bug reports each time
i think they said they would do the next story update next year
possibly with full release
halcyon heron
I mean, I think it's only fair/right that the full release is when we get the real ending to the story. Gives something to look forward to and not have it spoiled by the early access crew
quasi sleet
agreed
i do wonder if chaos aspect is actually worthless
getting an extra shield with each upgrade makes me think it will scale really well with keys
gloomy osprey
it was pretty ok, i had it up to 2 shields thrown and zeus special during a full clear
i'm not great at aiming
quasi sleet
you can get it up to 5 shields thrown right?
that seems like big damage with zeus or dio special
gloomy osprey
haven't gotten that far yet! it triggered on every hit with the zeus special though i think
quasi sleet
i just cleared a pretty easy run using it with ares special, but it didnt really do much at rank 1
gloomy osprey
could be nice for easy coverage with aphrodite weak status maybe 
haven't tried the zeus aspect yet though... semester's getting spicy 🌶
little inlet
man i keep forgetting how much of a bop Than's theme is
sterile peak
it's Last Words
void nova
ty
somehow the hades music hasn't been standing out to me as much as bastion's and transistor's did
maybe it's just too frantic and noisy for me to truly appreciate
the title screen theme pops into my head a lot
by "it's too frantic" i mean the game is, not the music. like the combat maybe drowns out the music for me
shell gale
the most memorable songs for me are always the 'ending' songs, which we haven't really got to yet
sterile peak
bastion and transistor (and sorta pyre) have music that correlates with story events
apex beat plays during the spine chase and only during the spine chase, you only ever hear build that wall when finding zia the first time
there's one major story event in hades so far
that said, I find all the music in hades to be equally memorable as in the other games
shell gale
well said
quite fond of 'scourge of the furies' and 'the king and the bull' so far regardless
storm zenith
I just finished a run with the Chiron aspect on the bow, did it with 2 heat as that was what it said to do to get bounties. Though this run I didn’t pick up any of the bounties? Anyone else having this issue?