I put one in the saved game folder, one in the folder where the epic store asked me to set a download location, and another one in the epic games folder when I tried it on my own first.
#h1-discussion
tough ravine
sounds pretty stupid, right 
I'm not the best when it comes to computer
but hey at least it's working now 
I'm not starting from 0 for the third time 
void vigil
I’m pretty sure you only need the one in Documents/Saved Games/Hades 🤔
remote lily
lol its that me that in the Gates of Hell soundtrack I hear the Bad guy rythm haha
alpine stratus
the big bad guy
im that bad type might kill my own dad type.....the big baaaad guyyyyyyyy (duh) do do do do do do do
vale kite
god of the dead but badly played on the flute
olive jungle
isn't out of tune recorder version of death and i already a thing
vale kite
never heard of it
silent harbor
idk if this is the right channel for it, but it seems like Epic Games are now supporting cloud saves as of the newest update to the launcher (or maybe they did previously?) are cloud saves something we can expect in the near future given the support for them now?
tepid yacht
Cloud saves are gradually being rolled out to EGS games! You can read more here: https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/news/august-feature-update?sessionInvalidated=true
All upcoming games will have cloud saving, but Epic needs to work with devs to gradually roll out cloud saving over time for the games currently on the store.
I don't know where Hades is in this process, though.
rotund canopy
hi, how can I propose some improvement for the game? via feedback channel only?
tepid yacht
Yep, you can leave suggestions in the #hades-feedback channel! Make sure you read the pins first!
rotund canopy
thanks
tepid yacht
np!
versed lintel
Phew, hey guys, it's my first time around here, got to the final boss but have no clue what it means when the edge of your screen becomes green, I just died.. but can't wait to do it again
olive jungle
It means ||one of his casts has hit you and you'll take extra damage from attacks while it's stuck in you||
also, congrats on making it to the final boss!
versed lintel
Ohhh, I see, thank you!
It seemed a bit too easy with ares's doom on special, not sure if early heroic boons feel like beating the game is a bit more up to lottery
trail jasper
Good to see EGS has added features
novel mauve
hey, does anyone kown if my epic-games copy of hades will translate somehow to a steam copy?
maybe asked before, but couldn't find answers anywhere
@void vigil said that i will have to repurchase the game. is that correct?
tepid yacht
You can definitely launch the .exe from Steam after purchasing it from EGS and then using Epic's launcher for updates if you really wanted to. I'd assume transferring save files wouldn't be too hard if you wanted to buy the game on Steam too. Are you asking if you get a free copy of Hades on Steam if you bought on EGS? I don't believe there are plans for that, but buying on EGS before a certain date will net you a free copy of the soundtrack.
plain sphinx
Heckin my first win against ||dad|| finally and it was with a build i was sure wouldn't make it past theseus!
🎉
flat bay
Hey guys, I'm new in the community, so I don't know if it's something already discussed a lot, but is it a common idea to change Daedalus Hammer to a Hephaestus boon? Keeping everything the same because it's thematically logical, just adding a new "face" to the upgrade.
It was the first thing I thought when I found out that Hephaestus isn't in the game.
olive jungle
There have been a lot of suggestions like that, yeah
oblique ivy
does FinalBoss have special lines for if you fight them with a lot of heat? im not good enough at the game to do that
brisk trail
Quick question: since the game will release on Steam early access soon, and since we will be able to transfer our save files, would it be possible for the Steam achievements to automatically unlock based on the progress we made on our save files, or must we start anew to get the achievements?
void vigil
well, theres no achievements currently as epic has no achievements, and the roadmap does not mention achievements
if achievements will be a thing the moment the steam version drops, im guessing they wont unlock the moment you transfer your save, and that youll have to actually do the requirements for them, but you wont have to start with a totally blank slate. but who knows how thisll work. not me thats for sure, im just guessing
brisk trail
Thanks for the input. I just assumed the game should have achievements since every single Supergiant game had them. About auto-unlock, I also think it won't happen (also due to the possibility of exploit), but would've been really nice.
ivory walrus
humble drum
rigid grotto
After 1000 you talk out your differences and zag agrees to stay and help hades with his work under the condition that he gets weekends off and 2 months paid leave to go to the overworld
vale kite
Hades: so i asked my brat of a son why he wanted to leave my domain, and he told me my "vibes" were disgusting, what does it all mean,
Hypnos:
void vigil
The vibes are absolutely rancid here dad and I’m leaving
vapid flume
Just an idea but doesn't implementing a semblance of an achievement system line up perfectly with the most recent priorities of the developers in form of "replayability"?
Since the system by which the boons are offered is RNG based I think it's safe to assume provided that the achievements are hard enough, people will be replaying a lot to get them done.
There are very few things more pleasurable than hearing that "ding" sound and a pop up on your screen after you finally get an achievement you've been working on for days on end.
They can be of different varieties, they can even give points that you can spend on a special vendor in the game.
Like "Common", "Rare", "Epic", "Heroic" and "Legendary" achievements, just like the boons
A common achievement can be as simple as : "Clear your first encounter."
And a "Heroic" achievement for example could be to "Defeat the final boss without receiving damage."
Like I personally try to set these mental challenges up for myself whenever I'm playing but it'd be really nice to have them take a more "tangible" form
And it doesn't have to be tied to the Epic Store, just an in-game check list
brisk trail
hmm, meanwhile achievement system might get you to play some more, I don't feel it provides "true replayability"
I would say it's more of a quality of life or "get hyped" kind of thing
sterile peak
the other releases on steam had achievements, so it'll probably get them
frigid atlas
I think they are saving the last 3 for an expansion/dlc? Possibly
olive island
what could Hera do anyway.....
come in to check if maybe Zag isnt another of her husband's bastard offspring?? bless his relationship with Meg to only realize they broke up already?
Daedalus makes more sense to me as he also ties in to other elements - he's thr guy who created minos labyrinth, thus ties into Hades being an ever changing labyrinth of chambers hard to leave
Being an inventor he gets to do ridiculous things like gestures to all the weapon upgraded
Hephaestus is in same boat as Hera, just getting annoyed his SO (aphrodite) is out there flirting & blessing all over the place
tight obsidian
daedelus hammers should be a hephaestus thing cuz y’know, forge daddy
the daedelus hammers are just there
olive island
the hammer is symbol for diff chara, yes. But by same logic why pomegranates to boost Olympian blessings
tight obsidian
maybe have another olympian do it? heres the problem though. on the one hand, not completing the basic 12 olympians is gonna be annoying. but on the other, shoe-horning in olympians in places where they’re kinda eh isnt ideal. i trust that sgg will do the 12 tastefully but its not a priority according to the roadmap
olive island
doesn't help some gods domains kinda... overlap 
............ and then was sitting here thinking about this, and moar gods would make sense not as boons but as Chaos curses!!!!
think about it - Hera gets annoyed at Zeus for (im sticking to rando headcanon) to possibly be aiding another of his bastard children so her 'curse' is for 3 encounters Zeus's blessing doesn't quite work as well? or u can't use his Call if that's on?
void vigil
the only god I’m a bit sad about not being in the game is Apollo bc I wanted to see dialogue from Artemis about him
like when you get his boons and stuff
but he also has some overlap with her it seems?
brisk trail
So I'm looking up Olympians on Wikipedia and though Artemis was one of the primary goddesses of childbirth, she is also the goddess of chastity. She has the hunt, but Apollo has archery.
brisk trail
Orpheus was a mortal.
tight obsidian
im talking about concepts represented as a whole in hades
not necessarily if they're a deity
brisk trail
Gotcha.
Reverse the Hypnos-Asterius situation. Apollo is so flabbergasted that Orpheus is just hanging out that he asks for Zag to pass on a message.
tight obsidian
who are the missing olympians? apollo, hera, demeter, hestia (technically not one of the 12 but she literally used exagryph pls put her in the game with a gun that would be hilarious)...
im missing one i think
brisk trail
Hera.
tight obsidian
got her
tight obsidian
hmm
brisk trail
Hephaestus?
tight obsidian
yeah
rip forge daddy
hmm
each god has a domain thats in hades... i was thinking at least one of them could maybe have something like summoning something kind of like fetch()?
brisk trail
That'd be Artemis?
brisk trail
Artemis is the goddess of the wilderness, so I was thinking animals.
tight obsidian
ah
brisk trail
Hephaestus.
tight obsidian
i think artemis is fine with crits as is.
brisk trail
He builds working Gundams in his spare time.
tight obsidian
:o
lmao
hephaestus honestly would be good for daedelus hammers but i also want daedelus as an npc
brisk trail
But now I actually want Hephaestus to spawn a little mecha and have his boons be working towards buffing it/something else with a Legendary being to really juice up the robot.
tight obsidian
maybe hephaestus could use the heat mechanic somehow?
brisk trail
He's the god of fire, so he could even have fire element attacks.
tight obsidian
i meant like domains as in crits, knockback, weakness. but they do have control over certain aspects in greek mythos
brisk trail
Have fire work like lava in Asphodel.
tight obsidian
i know hestia isn't one of the 12 but she literally uses a gun sgg pls put her in
brisk trail
Short time limit, but the longer you keep it up the more damage it deals.
brisk trail
Hestia wielding her upgraded blueprints from Exagryph.
tight obsidian
smh hesiod did hestia dirty
i do like the subtle details in all of the gods' designs. dionysus is a really interesting god and he has little stuff in his design that reflects his wack past
i like the summoning lava idea for hephaestus...
but i also want heat to be used for something other than pacts
oh yeah. wasn't dionysus also a god of death at some point. that wasn't hesiod though
i actually don't know any zagreus mythology! where can i read about him?
oh wait thats why zag made that joke about being dionysus incarnate
i mean i use myths in the sense of the general accepted stories about each of the gods. basically just hesiod readings
at least rome had a unified mythos even tho it was stolen
definitely
yeah. (quick comment: bellona and janus are really cool original gods)
so hera, hephaestus, apollo, demeter, hestia...
how to tackle marriage goddess
hera just turns the heart systems into a dating sim
🤔
OOOOOOOOOOOO
ngl i want zag to date thanatos pls sgg gimme
also, real quick, what else did hera actually do other than being jealous and marriage. something about light and also maybe destruction but i legit dont remember anything else
wasn't that above a pit of tarturus or something of a void-like nature?
i vaguely remember her trying to convince the other conspirators to let her free
cuz she didnt act alone
ah
anyway, argus.
hestia noises
hades is pretty cool though.
gets a lot of bad rep
i wonder how sgg is gonna depict 100 eye man
hopefully not like a horrifying monster
but honestly i really love their depictions so far
oh i meant like hestias super nice in her myths but also yeah what should hestia do
how do we factor the fact that she made the first gun into this
oh yeah. maybe something related to a hearth?
oh i like the idea of pacifying
thats gonna have to be balanced though
but pacifying as a status effect is a cool idea!
yeah that sounds more balanced than pacifying being an outright status effect
brisk trail
Starting to inch into Aphrodite's territory.
tight obsidian
okay lets table hestia because thats a really good idea
how so?
aphro is weak and health.
brisk trail
Charm.
tight obsidian
ah
hmm
honestly i think aph's call is super weak but her legendary is really powerful
tight obsidian
hmm
maybe im just not using her call properly
but i find the duration and relying on ai to be unreliable
i think for now hestia encroaching on charm territory is fine.
brisk trail
I don't use her Call, only the Greater Call.
tight obsidian
isn't the only difference that it pierces foes and travels around more?
brisk trail
It got changed in the last patch.
Doesn't pierce enemies, now does a single hit of 2500 damage.
tight obsidian
wait what
huh
okay, well then.
apollo... he does have the whole healing aspect
brisk trail
Adding passive healing on every chamber (more than even the Mirror by itself can provide) would be pretty nutty.
void vigil
I thought ||something to do with an immunity or resistance to poison|| could work, but that’s very specific, yknow
vale kite
secret surface biome in hades thats just the parking lots at my workplace https://i.imgur.com/L6CgEIc.jpg
alpine stratus
belgo do you mind if i edit this photo
vale kite
sure go on
alpine stratus
:3
vale kite
you can also work with this one https://i.imgur.com/Qx5QmZr.jpg
alpine stratus
OH NICE
silent harbor
b/c god of the forge likes it hot?
tight obsidian
hephaestus could do something with armor perhaps? giving zag armor or allowing for armor piercing
cuz i also want daedalus as an npc
silent harbor
(is it confirmed that we're getting Hephaestus, or that Daed will become an NPC? I've only seen people wanting that but not seen anything from the devs)
I didn't mean to sound like I was shutting you down! just haven't followed all the updates
tight obsidian
hmm but do we really need daedelus...
we don't really need an explanation for why the chambers shift
ugh i want a god to influence armor but also forge daddy replacing hammers makes sense
alpine stratus
hahaha sorry bout the bird, proxy doesnt quite understand it!
tight obsidian
the bird?
tight obsidian
ah
silent harbor
that's pretty funny, especially in a greek mythology game server
silent harbor
Honestly I'm so glad the development is gonna go into 2020 so we can have more neat stuff
silent harbor
sorry to butt into your god ideas, but how about Artemis? I feel like she's weighed down by being split into cast boons and critical boons. I'd love to see the cast stuff moved to another god.
tight obsidian
also hmm
i dont think artemis is weighed down but as a last resort we could def jsut move cast onto apollo
since he is archery whereas she is hunting
maybe hestia could do something with armor...
perhaps a hearth chamber where she adds armor to zag's health?
actually now that you frame it as temp hp, it might be better with apollo
silent harbor
right, I just feel as though she could have a more focused set of boons based on crits, dash attacks, and things around that. it would also allow you to pick a cast-specific god when you wanted to run a cast build, instead of hoping you get what you want from artemis, and not a crit attack/special boon.
tight obsidian
ah thats a good point
silent harbor
Oh I would love to see armor gain / temp hp!
tight obsidian
its hard to make cast specific builds so im in favor of this actually
heph - replacing hammers, hera - argus shenanigans, apollo - cast but also something else too?, hestia - armor/temp hp
silent harbor
and in general, I know it's more of a "git gud" issue, but there's not really any sources of reliable healing from boons, although it's fine to not have that too.
tight obsidian
technically every god can modify casts and i know we're talking passive cast stuff but there might be something else too.
i think due to the rng nature of boons appearing, apollo being a cast god with teh idea that you can make a cast focused build is too slim
it just kinda happens if you get a cast build
i wonder if there's a way we can use the music aspect of him...
silent harbor
big bard boy
tight obsidian
seduce the wretches
honestly temp charm doesn't sound like a bad idea. aph would just need to be reworked a bit
silent harbor
I think charm fits for her though, love and such
tight obsidian
true but also with its implementation i think its quite weak for a call
silent harbor
yeah I don't love the call, other than using it for burst damage at full
tight obsidian
so i would rather charm be moved to apollo and buff her calls/rework fixation
there would need to be a cooldown on charm effects though
silent harbor
Apollo should give you power ballad buffs for when you do heroic deeds. eg dodge through a thing.
tight obsidian
because fixation can basically just perma-stun
silent harbor
yeah, hades charmed is silly
tight obsidian
his giggling tho
maybe something similar to jolted?
charm an enemy and they do only one attack against their allies before losing the charm
silent harbor
charmed for one attack THAT CONNECTS.
tight obsidian
yeah
silent harbor
I'd pay money for that
tight obsidian
slight problem though
tight obsidian
or both
silent harbor
if no target available, expires after __
tight obsidian
because if they take a while to hit an ally, then they're still perma-stunned essentially and that makes it too easy
i like this idea
silent harbor
It breaks my heart when I charm Thesus or the minotaur (I forgot his name 😢 ) and they don't quite attack before it runs out
tight obsidian
asterius
yeah
:c
it would have to be a pretty short duration like
2 secs?
because the temp pacify effect is already quite strong
tight obsidian
ah yeah they have cc resistance in general
silent harbor
Do you know what the roadmap is for new gods? I thought this was the final amount already
tight obsidian
so its not a priority but i don't think they've written it off entirely
silent harbor
Did you have any other gods and boons in mind, Fake?
tight obsidian
heph, hera, apollo, hestia,
oh demeter
hmm
well, the olympians assume he's nyx's son
so she would just be eager to spite hades
silent harbor
poor hades ;c
tight obsidian
also, while we're on the topic of reworking gods, w hat do you guys think of chanigng poseidon's domain from knockback to maybe something like a whirlpool where it could maybe chain enemies together or something? i feel like thats way easier to manage and more useful than knockback (rip wall slam but thats very gimmicky)
silent harbor
like his cast would be festive fog that pulled ppl to the center?
silent harbor
I wouldn't say no to that idea, I just really like to play with combos they give us
tight obsidian
fair but also poseidon is by far the weakest god, according to community consensus
silent harbor
Also, a meta question! What do people think of this game and it's identity amongst other roguelikes? It seems like the most story and character heavy I've seen or played, but it's also got a lot of good choices the player can make, rather than JUST being RNG. plus the pace you gain upgrades is really fast and fun.
tight obsidian
oof, hades is the only rogue-like i've played but i believe a lot of people compare it to slay the spire and dead cells
but i really love the game despite having little experience with the genre
silent harbor
I've played SO many of these types of games. It seems like they've been getting more popular over recent years, and I much prefer them to the other new flavour (battle royales 😦 )
sterile peak
it's definitely the most story heavy roguelike
I think the persistent progression is more similar to Rogue Legacy than Dead Cells imo
silent harbor
It feels like the genre came up as something arcade-y but getting this amount of story makes it not only replayable but engaging and memorable for reasons other than "wow that run I had such an OP setup" (binding of isaac lmao)
roguelikes in 1980? 😮 which were those?
alpine stratus
(pssst lets go #off-topic-discussion thank u!)
last jewel
Hello Supergiant Games devs and fans! I played all of the games SGG released and I was waiting for Hades to get out of Early Access but I couldn't wait any longer and started playing it two days ago. And I gotta say Hades is wonderful! I'm already addicted. Amazing job as always so thank you so much every single person who envolved in the development of this game.
Also, as an illustrator and concept artist, I can't describe how much I love the art style of all your games from Bastion to Hades. I'm so jelaous! Haha 🙂 Keep up your great works. You are one of the very few game studios that I can say ''If this new game is coming from them, It's gotta be good!''
rigid grotto
It’s a fun nostalgia trip to look through the old feedback channel
humble pulsar
Random thought. I really want an animated Hades tv show now
I have no idea why I want this it just popped into my head and now it's basically all I can think about
flat vapor
disney style sitcom featuring zagreus, his grumpy dad, and a three headed dog
lethal bough
Where do I report a Hades bug?
flat vapor
press f10 ingame to bring up a bug reporter
lethal bough
meh. too late.
olive island
omg @lethal bough , i been screaming "f10" at you since yesterday, it feels!
but heeeey, at least u found a crazy bug that hasn't happened to me yet! 
olive island
Maybe someone could help me figure out a thing in the game. Or rather... what creature something is? (statue, not enemy to fight)
like, i get the 6-armed dudes at the start of Tartarus are from that one Argonauts adventure, Manticores statues are traps, and the Harpies drink fountain in Styx. Pegasus rider statues is hella obvious too
but what are these boar archer traps in Elysium???? Only boar could think of is that giant one from Herc legends... but pretty sure it was a normal (if huge) animal, not like... armored & weaponed humanoid
https://imgur.com/GIMY8pn
upbeat valve
That's probably a reference to Atalanta. I think it's not boar-archer but rather an archer wearing boar skin. Atalanta is famous for killing a boar sent by Artemis and receiving its skin as a gift.
olive island
....kinda forgot Atalanta existed.... thank u for bringing her up!
upbeat valve
welcome:)
wanton yacht
Is there a way to force a game to end. I have a bug where after finishing a room the doors to the next room stay locked, nothing appears in the globes. My saved filed is stuck.
sterile peak
are you able to Give Up in the menu?
wanton yacht
no it only says quit. Its an NPC room, so there was no fight.
sterile peak
hmmm
olive jungle
@wanton yacht Is your game up to date? There was a prog stop in ||Patroclus'|| chamber at one point, but I think it was patched out a while ago.
olive jungle
Progress stop, sorry, it means a softlock. An issue that keeps you from progressing through the game.
It should have been patched out on August 6th. Your game should be...I believe v.20003
It will say your version number in the top left corner when you open the game
hexed wyvern
when will dis game come out on switch
olive jungle
You can force-update your game by clicking the gear icon on its entry in your epic games library and verifying your install
@hexed wyvern No word on other platforms until post-release in 2020, see #hades-faq
hexed wyvern
aw man
i will get it when it comes out on steam then, would get it on epic store but with steam i can leave a review
guess thats like 3 months though idk maybe i will just get it on epic
dreamy prairie
Gods forgive me for not playing for 4 major updates but I’m doing so much better now than when it first came out, I’m loving it
That said, using the adamant rail for first time against meg, is there a certain reason her music changed with it? I’d only ever heard the one track with her, I had an ‘oh no’ moment cause I thought she was gonna go ham after the dialogue
olive jungle
I think they changed her track a while back? Could be misremembering
sterile peak
the furies have multiple tracks now I think
dreamy prairie
I battle her again without it and it’s still different, so yeah, multiple music!
sterile peak
yeah cause they added Scourge of The Furies with Murder Death Kill
wanton yacht
@olive jungle Thanks, Im sure I was up to date since the last patch was like 3 weekes ago. Aug 14th. Suddenly I got through the room though. So solved itself
ocean meteor
Im gonna need to reinstall the game
Just finished a drive cleaning
Whens the next patch should be coming soon right?
Since it was about 50 days off august
olive jungle
Early October
mortal gale
is there a website where we can see what's coming in the next update?
alpine stratus
you can click the remaining days button in the main menu to see the roadmap!
wanton yacht
I cant wait for the new weapon. This game is addicting absolutely love it.
Also be interested to see their ideas to enhance replay ability.
My personal Wishlist would be: A keepsake to guarantee a deadelus hammer at the start, enemies immune to knockback should at least be stunned or take bonus damage from knockback effects otherwise they all become useless against bosses.. I wish there were more duo effects but I can see how this could affect balance. Still its sad to have to trade off poison on the main attack for crit. Instead of maybe combining.
Would be nice if you could maybe drop one god per run somehow or something similar to maximize the RNG and help make sure you get your build right. The RNG is great and forces you to try new things. Or maybe divine authority should allow you to reroll the 3 boon choices a god gives you as well.
Also whats the best way to farm darkness? Maxing out divine authority will take forever
olive jungle
Probably using a weapon with dark thirst activated and running with heat
ocean meteor
Hmm
tbh My biggest want is a transistor like upgrade system
But I think given the amount of moving parts in this game
its prolly never happening
and its kinda psuedo there with duo boons tho
so thats a 
humble pulsar
That's kind of already in place with boons and hammer modifiers but I get what you mean
serene obsidian
@wanton yacht - The hammer upgrades are so strong, i can't see a reason to not ever use that kind of keepsake
ocean meteor
I've actually been enjoying using the feather duster for my non heat runs
you never realize how it could proc till you use it
hollow heath
Finally got my first win last night ^_^
olive island
congrats!
sullen holly
Anyone have any tips to completing the game i get stuck on the part on the bridge going across lava
serene obsidian
Way to go @hollow heath !
hollow heath
Thanks!!!
humble pulsar
Putting points into the Mirror if you haven't yet will help you get farther. Unlocking things like Death Defiance and Thick Skin will improve your starting health and survivability.
Besides that it's more practice and knowing which combinations of boons work well together.
Aphrodite is always a solid choice. High damage and a debuff which decreases enemy damage.
digital garnet
@sullen holly if you mean the ones where it's a single room with the 'boat' I tend to focus on getting rid of the Voidstones (the blue ones). They shield foes, and if you can't damage them, well. It's not good for you!
serene obsidian
So.....after a super smooth fight against the last two bosses, I'm gonna praise Exit Wounds ...... got it epic, and got a couple upgrades, doing 400 damage a pop more than makes up for the blade's lack of ranged options.....I guess its no surprise that Artemis is the boss killer.
sterile peak
bonus points if you get Greater Recall and the faster cast dislodge one
brisk trail
oh cool hades is coming to steam this december
sullen holly
@digital garnet thanks. I think it was in the fields of asphodel and its after the boss fight with Meg
serene obsidian
@sterile peak - I did not, but I did get to also beef up the Artemis Call - another 3000+ dmg from the greater call hammering into the boss drops it pretty fast as well.
It was a very good spread of upgrades that help in the rooms (double special, crit increases, weakness dash) and stuff like that that helps wreck bosses.
The toughest adjustment for me has been that I don't want to get in too much on the last two bosses.
last jewel
Hey everyone! I'm a new player and I'm loving this game! I just want to ask two quick questions:
1- The game is in early access and there are still a lot of upgrades/features to come but I don't know if the game's main story is unfinished or not. I didn't want to look it up because I don't want to spoil anything. does the main story line has an ending now?
hexed smelt
No, it doesn't; you can't go past the current final boss, it'll just send you back with a funny line of dialogue just like in earlier updates.
last jewel
2- So if something urgent comes up during a run and I have to quit the game or the game crushes, can I continue from where I left off? I haven't tested this for myself but I wouldn't wanna loose all of my progressions especially if I have a very good build. Don't get me wrong but just for example, Dead Cells has this feature and it's actually pretty nice.
hexed smelt
the game saves when you enter a room and when you complete it, and you can safely exit so long as you haven't gotten into combat in the current room
last jewel
@hexed smelt Thank you so much for answering! It means a lot to me. Do we have any estimated time for the complete story?
Thank you so much! It's really good to know we have that covered 🙂
olive jungle
"Gotten into combat" technically means "taken damage". You can tell whether the game will quit safely by opening the menu; if it says "Quit", it will take you back to the main menu and then start you off either at the start or end of the room you were in when you load back up (depending on whether you had completed the fight or not). If it says "Give Up", that will restart your run entirely, so you have to clear the room and accept the room reward, and then you should be able to "Quit" and it will autosave.
Complete story will be out when the full version of the game releases, in the second half of 2020!
There's no set release date yet.
ocean meteor
Ahh honestly I'm more excited than ever
especially since where at is just full of potential
Story wise
last jewel
Thank you so much for explaining in detail @olive jungle It means a lot!
I'm really curious about the story! There are a lot of questions and mystery
I was only able to get to the mini-boss in Elysium twice. even with one of my best builds so far, I was only able to take half of his health 😄 He is not dying!
last jewel
So one last quick question, I don't want to take your time too much, will our progresses reset when the game fully launches? Some games do that so I wanted to ask
@ocean meteor Yes, I only had 20+ runs so far
Thank you by the way 🙂
olive jungle
Nothing's been said about that either way, yet. I think it will depend on how backwards compatibility etc. pans out
ocean meteor
It might have to but the super giant team said they would give forewarning and try to ease the progression as much as possible
last jewel
@olive jungle I undertsand. Thank you so much for taking your time to write to me. I won't bother you anymore today 🙂 Good night from Turkey. I'm a huge fan of SGG games
olive jungle
It's definitely something that's being taken into account! But yeah, nothing concrete to say until we get closer to release
No problem! Glad you're having fun 😁
rigid grotto
Try spear it’s like having 40 heat with any other weapon
ocean meteor
I have used spear before to great success
Tbh
Its more so I've reached the point where I'm gonna have to do 120 heat runs so I can get that final statue
and I just
too hard for me
rigid grotto
I know I like to hate on it for no reason
ocean meteor
The spear does feel a bit worse than the other weapons
But I havent been getting dark thirst on it recently
so
rigid grotto
Honestly I think that the statutes should be removed bc it goes against the entire point of heat
rigid grotto
For me heat is meant to let each person experience the level of challenge they want from the game
ocean meteor
I guess that feeling of "missing out" kinda sucks because there are heat requirements
but it hasnt bothered me too much
rigid grotto
Like in your case you said that you felt like you needed to get them, but I don’t think anyone should feel like they need to use heat at all
ocean meteor
I guess I get that
rigid grotto
That’s fair and it’s probably fine in the long run
ocean meteor
it was more so I've done the game so much kinda burnt myself out recently
Still like talking about it
cause the community is 
rigid grotto
Same I haven’t played in a while
ocean meteor
I wonder what the best weapon is now a days
I've had a lot of really lucky sheild runs
rigid grotto
Definitely shield at high heat
ocean meteor
It feels really good now
rigid grotto
The ability to block attacks almost instantly after you strike is crazy good
ocean meteor
Definitly
The neccesity to min max for heat runs might not be everyone's thing
But I like it a lot
till you use veil and cry
rigid grotto
Like if you are ever about to take dmg you just hold the button, and you don’t need to worry about dodging into something else bc you don’t move
ocean meteor
I feel the same about athena dash
rigid grotto
I’m still trying to convince people that Athena had the best dash
ocean meteor
?
That's crazy
What dash is better?
Its crazy how experiences differ
That's a great thing tho
rigid grotto
Aphrodite is a strong contender
ocean meteor
I prefer aphro on my main damage dealers
But I could see you doing a dash build
Are those still a thing?
rigid grotto
Aphrodite is good because it’s free privileged status in most cases
ocean meteor
Ahhh
rigid grotto
Athena can work towards privileged but you need one other boon
rigid grotto
My reasoning is that Athena tends to have much better duos
Especially ones that combo well with the dash
ocean meteor
The aphro zeus duo is a live saver tho
I guess I just dont like running aphro and zeus tho
rigid grotto
Haven’t actually got that one yet
ocean meteor
its a defensive duo
lusty wasp
the only defensive duo is from aphrodite and athena(slow down enemy projectiles)
radiant tangle
It's Athena
serene obsidian
I just had some great Doom synergy duos, didn't miss Exit Wounds versus The Duo and Hades at all - Curse or Longing and the Deflect Detonate
soft iris
Have you tried playing Hades with Domina soundtrack?
jovial nimbus
Hi. Does anybody have a clue about when the next (online/Discord) Q&A will be?
rigid grotto
No
void vigil
they're usually after big updates
ocean meteor
Makes sense
regal pagoda
I just came back from playing Pyre and if there is one thing I gotta say:
That game, together with Bastion, makes me anxious for when we will get a badass Darren Korb Song in THIS game
hexed smelt
orpheus is right there, man, you've upset him :c
regal pagoda
Orpheus is more comic relief.
I mean something impactful, that really underlines a powerful moment in the game.
olive jungle
powerful moment: when darren hits that high note in hymn to zagreus 👌
hexed smelt
honestly just..... both songs? the pitch? hell, i can't hit all the notes in either of them, idk how darren does it
olive jungle
wasn't it in the noclip doc or something? he said he was trying to imagine like..what kind of sound would cause the gods to basically do whatever he wanted and just. decided to sing an entire soundtrack in falsetto!
what a lad
i look forward to everything to come, whether it has vocals or not, the soundtrack slaps harder with every new piece we get 🤘
regal pagoda
That's true.
Hades Fight being a variant of the main screen theme was a small highlight for me.
strong heron
it's not the first time they've done that
just like the old ways being a souped up version of life sentence
brisk trail
First boss theme being a variant is great, but then it goes into that low droning chord between phases and then picks back up with the fast chugs and if you don't go full 
I think you're playing with the game on mute.
alpine stratus
me, plays the game on mute: you called?
(I LOVE THE MUSIC dgmw i just play better w it off hdjdjd)
brisk trail
I get it, the game gets very chaotic and every AV cue helps.
strong heron
sdhjdfg i think i would be able to rebut this if i knew what emotion was supposed to convey
alpine stratus
whatever's in ur heart...
brisk trail
If I had WhoseMans or another emote to that effect I'd have used it.
strong heron
imo the music/sfx is really helpful and it's the visuals that are screwy -___-
brisk trail
Kam, do you play with just music on mute?
alpine stratus
no, the whole game!
brisk trail
Oh.
alpine stratus
i tried and its actually really funny w just zag grunting in ur ears, but, still distracting
brisk trail
||Zag and Meg grunting during their fight||
alpine stratus
hfhdjf my sensory processing issues are just, a cat, and the sound design of hades is a laser pointer on a wall
hfjfjfjg youre right but watch it 
strong heron
god kam HOW do you play with the game on mute
alpine stratus
with my hands :))
strong heron
i would be incapable of playing if i just had to rely on my broke ass visual processing
alpine stratus
BROKEN VISUALS 🤝 BROKEN AUDIO together were useless
strong heron
together we;re USELESS
brisk trail
If the game gets busy enough I just start attacking where I last saw enemies and wait to see if damage numbers appear.
alpine stratus
yeah sometimes u just Cant See whats up but i try to get used to it
strong heron
honestly my audio processing isn't great either but like. the flashing. the rapid moving. the colors. my eyes can't focus on that
alpine stratus
another prob w the audio is it gives me HUUUGE headaches jfjgjg which r also distracting
strong heron
my audio problems are worse for speech than music too, music is usually fine
brisk trail
If Brimstones didn't chime before they started attacking offscreen I'd freak out.
Have you tried playing with one or the other muted?
I guess SFX, since you've tried music muted.
strong heron
i won't pretend to be Good at hades but at least with sound i can Play it
brisk trail
It's not a super aggressive sound.
flat vapor
i've been playing since december and i didn't know that
alpine stratus
YEAH ITS THE SANDRA SOUND....
here n there! dw i use sound sometimes too so im not toootally missing out, mostly when i need to really buckle down n focus (like at final boss)
OOPS WERE IN DISCUSSION
brisk trail
I'm one of those gamers that is almost always listening to the in-game music (I've tried playing Nuclear Throne with my shuffle on instead of its music and it felt wrong), so talking to someone who turns their stuff on mute is interesting.
strong heron
i can play like, minecraft or baba is you or something with my own music, but with a story game i have to have the in game music
alpine stratus
hdhfjgh heres another spicy opinion: with the exception of scourge of the furies (which is a perfect song mwah luv it) the first half of hades songs is better than the louder half
brisk trail
You're wrong, but we love you and accept you anyway.
alpine stratus
ahhhhh yeah im with you mostly! i try to only unmusic things when i have to
strong heron
kam, do you also dislike thrash pack/dissidents ntr?
alpine stratus
for a very long time i disliked thrash pack but after a year and a half or so i became able to listen to it! were okay now :3 their ntr was never a problem for me
brisk trail
I definitely like the Elysium soft half.
alpine stratus
king and the bull is ssssoooo good
strong heron
okay good because dissidents ntr might be my favorite sgg song dshfgfghd
brisk trail
That bassline. 👌
strong heron
i actually like some of the non combat music too, almost more than the combat stuff
like from olympus? GOOD song
brisk trail
||Patroclus' song. 😿 ||
alpine stratus
my guess is that if i slowly listen to the soundtrack over and over again by the time it hits release post-ea i should be able to listen to them more comfortably.....guitarlerance 😂
FROM OLYMPUS IS GOOD BC VOLFREDS THEME IS THERE >:3
strong heron
??
brisk trail
Is that a "tolerance" pun?
brisk trail
Blood and darkness.
alpine stratus
there are like complicated programs u can buy online to stretch ur ear tolderamce range but the yearning to enjoy darren korb music is tje most effective one probably
strong heron
hee hee
alpine stratus
pyre ost did so much for me for real 😩
ok rly listen https://youtu.be/StMoKBxL9ac?t=66
volfred was there.... :>
last jewel
Hey everyone! I just wanted to share my excitement with you. My main weapon was always the sword but today I unlocked the Adamant Rail for the first time and decided to take it out on a test drive without any expectations. Actually I was expecting to die in the first boss but I actually went all the way to the final boss! It was my 19th run. Couldn't beat the game but that was amazing. I honestly felt tired after that! Haha 😄
rigid grotto
Awesome job fren
alpine stratus
aaaaw good for u!!!
rigid grotto
I have a bit of a soft spot for the rail even when I’m terrible with it
alpine stratus
the tail....
last jewel
Thank you guys! 🙂 It means a lot
alpine stratus
cat zag 👀
deep cliff
Just a little bit of mildly related offtopic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580521068314230784/620836551428931604/5yAxa7cugzU.png
tepid yacht
and to that i raise you https://twitter.com/sparknotes/status/1167449596240551938?s=21
tired quiver
Hey guys, weird question but how long until the next major update? My mate was wondering and neither of us can check anywhere :?
onyx sigil
Inside the game there’s a countdown
Afaik it’s like a month left, but I haven’t checked in like a week so I don’t remember
regal pagoda
Yeah, should be 28ish days now
tired quiver
Thanks
humble blade
which weapon is the easiest
the polearm is hard to play im trying it now
most fun I find is with the sword
olive jungle
Shield is probably the "easiest" in terms of technique/skill required for a win
Which isn't to say there's not a lot you can do with it! But it provides a lot of safety from attacks and such if you can't quite nail down patterns and timings.
pine magnet
Hey ! can someone link me a png/pnj of the image maps of the 4 biomes please ?
olive jungle
You mean the sketches on the travel map?
pine magnet
yeah !
rigid grotto
I would say shield and bow are easiest for beginners
wanton yacht
Im sure the narrator will be a bigger aspect in the final product. Its SGG's trademark. He was around in the early game more but just ran out of lines but I have no doubt more are planned
alpine stratus
i sure hope he is!!! i love storyteller :>
jovial nimbus
"Which weapon is the easiest"
Sword and Shield, hand out lol 🤣🤣🤣.
Sword is pretty basic to get the hang of it.
Shield is GOD tier weapon because you can be very versatile with it, both with melee and range attacks! And not to mention, it's the only weapon that can BLOCK attacks!
Bow is fun and I would say the most high damaging one out of all of the weapons when you master it. Seriously, if you have the AoE 300% Attack updrage, it's over for the other bosses (minus Theseus 👿), combining it with the 3 arrow Attack upgrade and with Artemis Attack boon and you can show Hades #whoyadaddynow.
Rail is alright. It's not as high damage as Bow (I seriously found the Reloading mechanics more annoying than "fun" different with the Bow. Especiall if I picked the Hermes's Attack Speed buff 🤦♂️).
Spear is seriously the hardest one I need to master UGH! 👿 I swear they need to buff the Spin charging time or let Zag keep channeling even when he takes damages or sth. Because I found it's the only serious way I can use the Spear in the most efficient way when the Spin charge time is shorten. Orthewise I could never use Spin in any boss fight. Oh, at all.
@humble blade
rigid grotto
Bow is good for learning enemy attack patterns from a safe distance
jovial nimbus
I would argue that the Shield does that even better than Bow.
rigid grotto
Yes, that’s why I also said shield
Being able to sit in block while you watch enemies is very useful
deep cliff
Also, Twin Shot is really good after they buffed it a little bit. Before it was just like point-blank, and now it's still a decent range
jovial nimbus
Yeah, it's slow. But when you get the hang of it, it's fk OP lol
rigid grotto
Good against some enemies, bad against other
jovial nimbus
That's why I usually also pick other boon that's OP with Bow Special for those situation.
Zues/Dio/Artemis or if Athena/Aphrodite with big +dmg percent Special on Bow can pack a punch if you get super close range 😈.
Zues is particularly just broken with Bow Special if you manage to grab Lucky Strike (and Zeus Lengendary).
But I actively avoid reply too hard on Bow Special close range, because it's just lazy and feel like a melee weapon at that point. So it's a good insurance policy while you practice the Bow Attack timing.
humble pulsar
dont underestimate explosive shot
rigid grotto
I’m just estimating it
jovial nimbus
Oh yeah, that's the name of it. And I just had to check. It's "+400% damage in an area" instead 🤣🤣🤣
humble pulsar
Here's some math (copied from another discord)
The highest damage you can get out of the bow's hammers is with Twin Shot, Power Shot, and Explosive Shot. This will give you a total of 960 damage a shot. (240 from explosion, *4 to account for 2 arrows at power shot)
Now let's get into boons...
240x4 is 960 (that's the hammers). Crits do 300% of the total which would be 2880. Getting Heart Rend would make that do 135% more damage (akin to multiplying the total damage by 2.35) which would be... 6768 damage a Critical hit
ON THE ATTACK
Yeah granted these conditions aren't guaranteed but the fact that you can do nearly 7000 damage in one hit is insane.```btw, that's 2 shots to kill theseus assuming you land 2 crits
humble pulsar
twin shot's is because it creates 2 arrows. Crits I believe are, at least when talking about Heart Rend
I'm not sure on the Power Shot Explosive Shot interaction, I'm fairly sure it modifies base damage but I'm not entirely sure.
rigid grotto
If you manage to complete a power charge in that fight without getting hit, hats off to you
(With explosive shot)
humble pulsar
oh yeah i didnt say it was easy
having something like Hermes attack helps a lot
Explosive shot is also splash damage so there's some edge cases where that is gonna help against theseus
rigid grotto
I have almost as much of a problem with this math as with the dio math
jovial nimbus
Well, at least I can charge the Bow Attack in boss fight (well, partially is good enough in some anyway.)
Unlike the Spear Spin... 😤😤🤬
rigid grotto
This assumes you get all the perfect boons, have a way to apply weak that dosent wear off in the 7 years it takes you to charge a shot, and also that all the attacks hit and crit
Also you can’t get hit but you also need to be in melee range
humble pulsar
oh yeah im not saying its an "ideal" setup, but the fact that this is doable is impressive enough to me, and the fact that missing one of these components still results in doing massive damage.
rigid grotto
Try dashing during the charge of the spin
humble pulsar
Real talk though, I could probably get this setup semi-consistently if I really tried
There's no legendaries required and only 1 duo boon.
jovial nimbus
Suprisingly, applying weak is the easiest thing in that combo (with Empty Inside, duh).
humble pulsar
weak is incredibly easy to apply esp since considering you're using the bow and its being put on literally anything other than your attack, so it can go on dash/special/cast all of which are great options
or you can get it on attack and go for the pressure points game
jovial nimbus
I usually don't need much. Artemis Attack, Strong Special, and Aphrodite Dash/Cast.
humble pulsar
the only disadvantage is just that you have to be really good with the bow otherwise its not nearly as effective
jovial nimbus
Yeah. True.
rigid grotto
You need a duo, a weak boon, empty inside ,3 specific hammers, Artemis attack, and tons of luck to have the enemies ignore you
humble pulsar
playing 20 hours of the Adamant Rail has made me a master at kiting I'll have you know. I am an expert at running away from everything :kappa:
jovial nimbus
Aka. "We smash our keyboard and mouse to a broken stage already" lol🤭🤭🤭
humble pulsar
bow's got a very generous range though, so in normal rooms its likely not nearly as threatening, though you'll likely have more trouble in Elysium or Styx, but Elysium's rooms are large enough to run away like a coward, and Styx is hard in general
"pray you dont get elite snakestones"
aka "the holy mother of lazors"
jovial nimbus
Styx is the sole reason why I whorship Patrolcus('s keepsake) like a motherf god lol! It helps minimise the damage to the minimun (as long as I can manage dash to the nearish poison healing well in 1.5s/ and not foolish enough to stay only a couple of fangs away from those filthy nasty giant RATS!).
brisk trail
I'm a firm believer in playing however you want, but the only time I don't take Broken Spearpoint into Styx is when I have Holy Shield and even then I'm still taking Myrmidon Bracer.
||Achilles' and Patroclus' love will sustain us.||
storm wraith
B-but Pierced Butterfly
brisk trail
I usually play too aggressively to get the Butterfly up to an amount that's worth it.
regal pagoda
I'm with Schpoonman on his last two points.
tight obsidian
thought of some hestia possibilities. her domain would essentially be building up temp-hp in a chamber (like the second armor health bar for enemies). for example, attack gains a damage bonus and converts a % of enemy health lost per attack into temp-armor. attack and special would have these effects applied to them. im still unsure about cast and dash. call could apply her domain to attack, special, and cast (even if they are occupied by another boon) or boost existing temp-hp-gaining effects. greater call could maybe even heal?
also im not sure if temp-hp would reset per chamber
if it did, higher heat runs would benefit more from this because of more health and more enemies, so that might be a useful tool. i think there should just a cap equal to zags max health, it would be fine, since its a % of the damage dealt, so it will take a while to accumulate
rigid grotto
I think there should be some sort of offensive conversion
A boon that says while you have above your max hp you deal a bit more dmg
tight obsidian
oh thats an interesting idea. taps more into the whole hestia wielded the world's first gun thing. i wanted to incorporate something protective cuz hearth in an offensive manner cuz gun.
i still need to think of how cast and dash are modified, since those have a bit more flavor than just applying the effect
jovial nimbus
Isn't Butterfly not working properly with the Styx's room?
flat vapor
i don’t think it works in the mini-chambers, same with lambent plume
jovial nimbus
Yeah. I hope they fix/allow that to happen.
flat vapor
if it’s like lambent plume it should work in the big room
i think it’s because they don’t want you building up buffs that quickly
jovial nimbus
😞😩
tight obsidian
some small chambers give pb increases though... im not sure what the distinction is between those ones and regular chambers
obviously the final big one but it was very confusing for the narrow hallways
jovial nimbus
I just read your hestia's idea and holy f they are goood!
But I would add my 2c in that. Hestia is a very... non-confrontational goddess. Like, her whole thing is maintaining the hearth (so maybe fire is kinda her domain?!?)
I would love the HP regeneration things to be Demeter's boons instead.
tight obsidian
see i thought of that. thats why i wanted her to be somewhat protective with her effects, since she's a hearth goddess. however, she also wielded exagryph so there is some offensive side to her, although rare
jovial nimbus
Like, she is Zag's grandmother!
jovial nimbus
Storywise, her addition to the game would be very interesting indeed!
I suspect she is the next god to be added in the game
other than just Apollo
or Hephatus
tight obsidian
i just gave it to hestia because one of the funniest things sgg did in hades was give the image of the pure hearth goddess wielding a hecking gun
hephaestus, apollo, demeter, hestia, and hera are left
jovial nimbus
Hahaha, the gun idea could work right into Hephaestus domain as well
His Roman counterpart is a god of volcano (and gun power!)
tight obsidian
i think i saw someone have the idea that maybe he creates lava pools like in asphodel
im trying to think of how to add a plant theme for demeter though
i want to give the hp thing to hestia because its abstract enough for her and the others have more clear concepts for their domains
jovial nimbus
Actually, plant thing is Zag's mother, Persephone. I know, it's confusing.
Hestia is famous of her neutrality. She's just... there. I think Supergiant's writers are also hinting of a retcon on her character with the Rail's description.
tight obsidian
oh really?
demeter i associate with wheat
and harvest
persephone is flowers
iirc
yeah she's the goddess of harvest and persephone is vegetation
hm
jovial nimbus
Demeter is fitting more with HP gen because her core thing is fertility. Grains and agriculture are just how humans are grateful to her with their daily life.
tight obsidian
the problem with trying to incorporate neutrality as a concept into hades is that the obvious answer is pacifying, but that bleeds too much with charm
jovial nimbus
She's also a divine goddess of "cycle of life and death".
tight obsidian
hestia's approach to zag could be somewhat neutral but her boons could still have a protective effect like a hearth
jovial nimbus
Yeah, that's why you don't see much hestia at all in Greek myth adaptations. She's just... there.
jovial nimbus
Ikr.
tight obsidian
i feel like its easier to think of boon concepts for demeter as a harvest goddess than hestia as a hearth goddess, which is why im inclined to give hp-regen to her even though her hearth is a place of neautrality
jovial nimbus
Seriously, with HP regen, there are so many gods left to fit that theme into them: Demeter, Hestia, Apollo, etc.
tight obsidian
true
technically its less hp regen and temp hp gain
apollo would probably be something with music, but im not sure how boons would work with that
p o e t r y bo o n s
jovial nimbus
Yeah, the "temp HP gain" idea is the most fascination part of yours! It's basically how I envision "Armour" in this game! It could be a cool theme for Heaphatus! (Instead of just dumping all the Daedalus Hammer upgrades into him instead)
tight obsidian
yeah im really conflicted where to place it tbh
i quite like the mechanic, but it could go to almost everyone
jovial nimbus
Duo boons! Duo boons! Duo boons! Duo boons!
tight obsidian
hera using argus as a summon though i think is super cool
complete like some sort of side quest to permanently unlock argus and unlock hera boons which upgrade him
rip
alpine stratus
keep it clean in here pleaaase
jovial nimbus
I found Hera to be quite tricky to add into the game tbh. She would only be there IF Zeus has stuck his youwhowhat into it.
tight obsidian
yeah
jovial nimbus
(Sorry!)
tight obsidian
i feel like there could be an amusing interaction where she thinks zagreus is a son of zeus and comes after him, then realizes hes a son of hades and decides to help him
maybe the side quest could be involved with taking a lot of zeus boons
wanton yacht
do we have reason to expect more gods?
jovial nimbus
And funny enough, Zag was, in some version, Zeus's son with Persephone! So there could be future elements of a Greek telenovela here lol!
wanton yacht
Id love for hades to be a god that shares his boons, maybe after he is defeated. Im sure there is some way to add it into the story that makes sense
tight obsidian
most likely. they've added their desired amount of olympians for this year (8) but they're probably not going to stop there
hmm why would hades help you leave though. thats the problem...
death boons would be cool though
jovial nimbus
Hades 2: Persephone's Rescue! Coming out in 2022 (or sth lol!)
The plot behind the game is super rich I give them that.
It could be because there is a curse on Hell-borns people to be stuck in hell. So Zag is technically cursed for being born in the underworld.
tight obsidian
oof
jovial nimbus
So no matter how many times he tried. He cannot get out of it and get sucked right back
And Hades (in his own stupid way) is trying to prevent that to happen to his son over and over again.
olive jungle
from the roadmap:
wanton yacht
I believe that is the myth actually. Persephone was hungry so she ate 3 seeds of a pomegranate in hades realm. Once she ate the food though she couldnt leave. I think its a common mythological concept. If you end up in the land of fairies you must not eat the food either because than you cant leave.
jovial nimbus
And all the gods in the Olympus is just toying with Zag's attempt (o they are just too privileged to know about it)!
olive jungle
It sounds like it's a possibility for extra content next year, but not a guarantee.
RE: more Olympians
jovial nimbus
At first, I thought that pom rule is just Hades's trickery to trap Persephone to be with him.
But it could be more than that, storywise. A curse of the underworld-borns is the best story I could come up after being slaughtered too many times after walking out of that gate lol
wanton yacht
@devout sundialis are you on the SGG team, or are you a third party that helps with QA?
If we see more olympians I think apollow would be very interesting, god of archery (artemis turf), god of healing (no healing or vampiric powers as yet), god of prophecy (Dont see this working), God of monster slaying (massive room for interpretation)
jovial nimbus
Or they can just retcon/make up something up like Light damage or Fire damage or sth lol
Even thou his Sun is not supposed to shine in the Underworld
olive jungle
Somewhere in the middle? I'm an independent contractor working with SGG for the time being.
wanton yacht
Fire/light damage seems like a fine idea. A curse similiar to poison, maybe bonus damage vs armour etc.
jovial nimbus
mandatory you guys get paid for this meme intensifies...
olive jungle
😄
jovial nimbus
I would love for Supergiant's writers to come up with Apollo's character as an overprotective brother to his (retconned) socially awkward twin sister Artemis lol
devout sundial
wanton yacht
Not sure what other gods would be cool, not familair with hestia really. No idea what they could do with hera. Choas making an appearance could imply the possibility of other titans etc but I dont think so. Daedelus hammers have perhaps supplanted Hephaestus.
Nyx and Hypnos are primordial deities that could contribute but seem to be there for story. Though Thanatos shows up occasionally.
jovial nimbus
Like "Zag, why are you flirting/leading Artemis on!?! I won't let you hurt her/be 50 feet to close to her. I will punish you for this lol!
wanton yacht
@devout sundial yes, sorry. Dont know why it split ell and is. I wanted Ellis
jovial nimbus
I actually absolutely hate to dump all Dae upgrades to Hephaes
He could be cool as a Fire god in this game.
wanton yacht
Would be cool actually, if the gods whose boons you dont get, isntead help hades stop you at the end of the run. Olympians never agree on anything
jovial nimbus
Hahaha I love this dysfunctional Greek telenovela family!
Okay, how about the additions of the remaining gods is not supposed to be on Zag's aid. But instead they could show up as challenges against Zag instead.
I could see Hera doing it (she's used to be the Villain for 99% Greek heroes at this point) if someone lied/"exposed" to her about Zag's "real" parents
(Or Apollo/Hephaestus showed up to "question" Zag's intentions with their loved ones Artemis/Aphrodite)
wanton yacht
I think the problem with that idea is the other gods wont enter hades realm
jovial nimbus
Or they can just send their "minions" to Zag's way instead. Or you have to accomplish certain challenges to appease to them (classic Greek hero journey's tropes). For example, we already had the Hades's challenge to not get hit in his Chamber.
Also the idea of a "displeased" god is cool. Like in all the God's trials, when you get one god displeased with you, you lost a "heart" in your relationship with them instead.
And you have to win them back with more ambrosia bottles/ specific scarifications to that god.
*i mean sacrifices!
jovial nimbus
Maybe it's best if I just saved up all my questions for the QnA with the dev team lol 😅
proper zodiac
Hey so
I doubt anyone from the super giant team will see this but
Ive had a real rough couple of days getting back into uni and i booted up hades and its making me feel better so
Thank you so much for helping me
Your games and stories and especially the music has really helped me through rough times so
Thank you so much
rigid grotto
(The hades team is also the pyre team 🙂 )
little inlet
eta on next patch?
brisk trail
26 days.
cedar valley
so how do we report exploits? lol
red coral
do you mean bugs? you can report those in-game with F10
if it's just a comment on the design of the game itself, you can drop it in the #hades-feedback channel
cedar valley
i mean being able to reroll your drops lol
red coral
that's intended behavior! What issues are you running into with it?
cedar valley
lol
i mean being able to reroll a hammer or a boon
not rerolling a room
1 if you quit you erase purchases, so you can check when the rolls of a boon/hammer are before you buy, quit, and switch if you decide to
2 in combination with the final biome, with the 5 rooms you get up to 5 rerolls on the purchasable boons
because by doing a room it rerolls the boons/hammers
red coral
that's feedback! It's not unintended behavior at all so you have indeed found an exploit haha, if you want to report it you can do so in the feedback channel
void vigil
have you read the pins in the channel?
sterile peak
I forget, does hades have cloud saves? and if so, how do I get them
olive jungle
Cloud saves are an Epic feature, and will be rolled out according to Epic's whims
They started rolling them out in August; it's a gradual thing, but for right now, there's no cloud save capability for Hades
tight obsidian
sgg is aware of the athena trial dead enemies thing right
red coral
maybe maybe not! It doesn't hurt to report it
olive jungle
"athena trial dead enemies" thing...
tight obsidian
lmao
tight obsidian
im gonna repost my hestia thing for more thoughts/feedback:
thought of some hestia possibilities. her domain would essentially be building up temp-hp in a chamber (like the second armor health bar for enemies). for example, attack gains a damage bonus and converts a % of enemy health lost per attack into temp-armor. attack and special would have these effects applied to them. im still unsure about cast and dash. call could apply her domain to attack, special, and cast (even if they are occupied by another boon) or boost existing temp-hp-gaining effects. greater call could maybe even heal?
wanton yacht
Their are no healing or vampiric powers in the game. The closest we get is damage mitigation, holy shield, deflect, dodge percentage, damage reduction. I think the game is balanced around the idea that health is a resource that must be carefully managed. I think any healing powers would require drastic rebalancing. Though as I have emntioned elsewhere because there is no healing I find all revenge boons pointless as you take far more damge as a % than you deal out and your outnumbered hundreds to one
Although we do have the feather duster keepsake. Though at 4% its not reliable.
wanton yacht
which power is that?
wanton yacht
oh the up to plus 3 per room from the dark mirror. I suppose their could be a boon from a god that ups that to maybe 6 or so, but than its only good if you get it early
something that triggers of attacks, even if its plus 1 would easilly rack up huge amounts of health compared to that. Even if its temporary health/armor just for the room even an extra ten temp health a room would be a very big deal
hexed smelt
"if you get it early" it's.... there in every run once you get it, though?
i really like it because i don't tend to take damage too often, so when i do, that +3hp/room tends to stack up
void vigil
I think fenrex means a hypothetical hestia boon that enhances vitality
hexed smelt
before the change to chaos room costs it also basically negated the hp cost for visiting chaos
oh
void vigil
So same with oceans bounty, life affirmation, all those
if you get them early they’re really good but if you get it in the last chamber it’s like thanks! ....it was useless!
wanton yacht
Im not against more healing I just think the signs point them activly choosing to limit it as much as possible. Even the wells after boss fights give significant healing but not complete. Managing a constantly depleting health resource is a core tenant of the gameplayI think.
Im kinda suprised even that you get not one but three death defiancs
tight obsidian
its why i chose to make it a % of damage dealt to an enemy per attack. balancing temp hp regen would be difficult given how the game treats health as a precious resource
tight obsidian
you could also have it reset per chamber
humble pulsar
Health feels fairly limited because it's the most precious resource in the game and making it less so makes the game considerably easier.
While I don't necessarily think any sweeping amount of boons that increase health would be bad, you would have to rebalance a lot of things to avoid making the game just straight up easier.
(and I already think Hades is just a bit too easy, mainly due to Death Defiances and Thick Skin)
tight obsidian
i mean, as the game goes on, the difficulty will spike with each biome, making runs more like an endurance
this is in anticipation of that
brisk trail
Bought the Scrying Pool by accident and found out I'm just a few thousand short of 140,000 enemies killed with 436 escape attempts.
brisk trail
I haven't spent any Obols on anything except, uh, Aphrodite's poster.
olive jungle
Aphrodite's poster is the one I bought last 😂
What's that average, like...
320 enemies per run, nice
wanton yacht
I cant wait to get that puppy signed. Ares and I will probably throw down
humble pulsar
Gotta buy that Aphrodite poster
If nothing else
But you gotta buy it when you turn convenience fee to the max
jovial nimbus
I always bought those "deco" first chance I got in those early runs, so they won't take a item slot in the Shop later
Spending like 500 coins all at once on a poster does make me feel flithy rich lol
jovial nimbus
Espcially when all the suga da-imeant danna- oops! patrons are in good mood and give you a blessed life with all their coin boons and their treasure chests lying around.
Poseidon Chaos Hades are the Crazy Rich Mediterraneans confirmed 😜
olive plume
So I have a question: When you give the people that drink what happens when you max it out with someone? I have yet do it but I was just curious.
tight obsidian
sometimes you get a cool cutscene with zag and x person drinking at the bar thingie
but generally their attitude changes, you learn more about them, or unlock something like orpheus
junior crane
Orpheus best unlock
solar coral
The only way that a vampiric boon would work would be if it had a microscopic amount of % converted. Maybe with a few poms it could be up to 1%, but it would easily become a requirement for a run , as the amount of damage dealt over a whole run easily would fill zag up multiple times
rigid grotto
There is a reason that the vampire sword hammer got removed
wanton yacht
there was a vampire sword hammer?
wanton yacht
was it a sword or a hammer? a hammer on the end of sword. A sword with a hammer for a hilt?
remote lily
Could work in a way 1hp per hit only from basic attack
jolly lodge
so what would the all cast hades tshirt be like?
tight obsidian
well there are a lot of really good npcs
obvi zag and olympians but like maybe they should finish the pantheon first
but like there are a lot of people i could see on there
also this reminds me
because im so confused with official art
brisk trail
Give Aphrodite the Mike Wazowski, you can see the crown of her head and then she's hidden behind all the other Olympians.
tight obsidian
some art depicts zag's right arm being the "corrupted" arm, but in-game its vice versa during "cut scenes," but zag also has no "corrupted" arm in his model
so which one is it?
hexed smelt
corrupted arm??
tight obsidian
also when zag uses cast, is he literally throwing his blood
yeah you know the black arm?
hexed smelt
those are called shadows,
hexed smelt
also, remembrance dialogue spoilers: ||possibly, yes||
tight obsidian
i thought his arm was just wack
yeah hades said that and i was like "wait is he legit using blood"
alpine stratus
hahaaa i didnt see arm like that but i interpret his face like corrupted like that
its probably just shadows but do whatever is most fun
tight obsidian
yeah like he has a "corrupted" eye so i thought his arms were the same ;_;
alpine stratus
tbh that rocks....run with it
alpine stratus
whichever u want
alpine stratus
uvu
hexed smelt
🤔
actually
zag's depiction on the 10th anniversary psoter does suggest that while his skin is alright, the red eye does in fact have a black sclera
which makes sense looking at hades' eyes
tight obsidian
so blood stones just make really big shadows?
void vigil
yeah the eye is definitely like that
hexed smelt
wh
void vigil
but the face isnt
hexed smelt
you lost me there vpa
tight obsidian
i should get a shorter namelmao
ok so like some art depicts zag with a shadowy arm
im guessing its just the blood stone
void vigil
no, the bloodstones are unrelated, the blocky shadows are just part of the art style...
void vigil
i just dont understand what zag's abilities have to do with it?
it's just something he can do
tight obsidian
ok so im actuallt blind and its just shadows from his shoulder thingie and robe
so ignore literally everything i just said
void vigil
👍
jovial nimbus
I seriously am not following this. Are you guys saying that Zag has one arm 'corrupted'/has 'shadowy arm' which he used to make his casts (from his bloods)???
I thought he only has heterochromia eyes 😳😳😳.
jolly lodge
The conclusion was his arm was fine, the black was just shadow (if I understood that correctly)
rigid grotto
can we get dark zag similar to pit vs dark pit?
could be called zagain
similar to pitwo
alpine stratus
zagain: i wanna stay home
zag: [GASP]
strong heron
zagain is a wandering encounter
rigid grotto
zagain is trying to fight his way back into the underworld to meet hades for the first time
dry folio
the long lost son trying to get back to his dad
radiant tangle
You meet Zagain in the middle of your run and you go "Oh hi, me!" And he goes, "Have you seen Sysiphus? I hate that guy." And then it's boss fight time bc he has such bad taste
jovial nimbus
Well, he certainly WOULD (gladly, in fact!) fight Ceberus to get in hell
And I bet he can't just "off" himself to get to hell naturally! He has been 'cursed' with immotality! #ZagainTheWorst!
void vigil
@jovial nimbus sorry for the late explanation, but nope! The cast is not related. It was just a misunderstanding. The shadow in his arm is just a literal shadow, the art style is why it’s so dark. Casting the bloodstones is just an ability he has
so his arm is normal in canon and the shadow is just part of the art style, but if you want to draw him with a “corrupted” arm, that’s cool as well and you can do whatever you want so why not! I hope this explanation clears things up? 🤔
pastel nacelle
https://twitter.com/LindaSejic/status/1173980244736450561 I felt like this was relevant to hades lmao
lyric talon
One of my professors is writing a novel that retells the story of Hades and Persephone, so I told her about this game, and she sounded really interested in it.
rigid grotto
Zagain fights all the characters zag has interactions with, and gets money and health from all the bosses
T
The pots in the second boss fight with the food in them are supposed to be for zagain
alpine stratus
hydra is to zagain as dusa is to zag
alpine stratus
(goes to underworld restaurant) table for..... (turns around, counts quickly) ...fourteen, please
sterile peak
there's an adamant rail joke here but I can't say it
flint gust
Since I'm on a no-game period for Uni, I can't check when the next update will be. Can someone fill me in real quick?
void vigil
so now that epic counts your playtime, how much time does everyone here have on hades? 👀
you can check by clicking the gear below the game in your library
i have 5 days, so.... at least 120 hours
alpine stratus
i have 4 days 😱
lyric talon
Seven days, scrubs
olive jungle
12 days
rose trellis
https://imgur.com/T7hQpMv 29 days, going for that solid month!
olive jungle
"no life" it is my life 😂
still can't hold a candle to a pro speedrunner tho, clearly!
rigid grotto
This is why everyone is scared of haelian
rose trellis
There's definitely a lot of padding in there from back when the Explosive Return bug required you to not close the game, so some times I just left it running over night
rigid grotto
Not playing all night as well smh
Er bug was actually the single reason I stopped attempting any%
I was too lazy to figure out how it worked
So I was just like “what category can I justify using sudden rush in “
rose trellis
120 heat is the only place bull rush is allowed in my eyes 😛
rigid grotto
I think I was attempting 200 back before college
Might get back into any% next chance I get
lyric talon
Omg the sheer power in this channel rn
flat vapor
5 days so far
wanton yacht
Im only 60 hours but I have only had the game for maybe three weeks
alpine stratus
brisk trail
That can't be right. Only 50 hours?
I put a LOT of time in the month I didn't have internet on my desktop, so I'm guessing that's it.
sterile peak
it says I only have 25 hours but I played a lot of it through adding a non-steam game so
remote lily
If I run this game via epic I could says too. But I think that some around 100h-150h, what's just beginning. My record is diablo3, over 6y I scored 2500h. Crazy 🤪
open wedge
morning folks. how many days to the next update? don't have access to my pc just yet
vapid pagoda
Should I be more active to send messages in the feedback section?
hexed smelt
@vapid pagoda Read the pinned posts in the feedback channel to find out how to post there
vapid pagoda
thanks 🙂
trim lava
Is it too late to get into the game. I just bought the game yesterday and i'm hooked .
onyx sigil
What do you mean “too late”?
The game hasn’t even fully released yet, if anything, you’re kinda early to the party :D
void vigil
I’m late, but please don’t post spoilers for the final boss in this channel!
remote lily
Should I buy or no the switch lite? Never had any Nintendo console. But so far I like the games which ware released and as I don't have time to play on pc I quess its good idea.
Big hopes for supergiants games here. Which games already are available beside bastion?
jolly lodge
Transistor is
tight obsidian
pyre soon^tm
jolly lodge
Others are still works in progress
mint rivet
Amir and Greg are playing right now
I kind of want to watch
Would be cool if they streamed it
do they?
void vigil
they do stream after big patches!
mint rivet
very nice
tight obsidian
for a second i was like whos amir and greg
void vigil
yep, the streams are archived on youtube
tight obsidian
am st00pid ignore me
mint rivet
would be cool if they streamed right before a patch... like a little sneak peek to build hype
void vigil
heres the most recent one
you can find the first one, for the high speed update when they started with the dev streams, if you scroll a bit down in the channel
alpine stratus
dont 'reee' 350 obol penalty.png
mint rivet
wait what did i do now
alpine stratus
hdjdkfj sorry to be on your case so much tonight no hard feelings i promise!! ;w;! we dont reeeee on this server, we treat it as any bad word and delete it! its connected w mocking autistic meltdowns
mint rivet
i did not know that
I though it was another meaningless phrase
like the al;fsdkjf;klasdjf you do
rigid grotto
You can tell how hard kam is laughing by how hard they slam their head into the keyboard
mint rivet
I promise was not trying to be insulting
alpine stratus
i take my smashes seriously !! 😤
mint rivet
I have autism so yeah I promise I don't have a problem with that
rigid grotto
It’s all good, most people don’t know the origin
mint rivet
the only context for it I know is...
how to explain?
"a noise made to dispatch normies" - urban dictionary
rigid grotto
Go to off topic for a sec pls
mint rivet
do you think its ever worth it to trade with the retched broker?
seems like the deals are always bad
rigid grotto
deff for heat after you reach 200
mint rivet
200 what?
mint rivet
any other time?