#h1-discussion
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I don't think I'm going to use the Restrict Powerup Options pact again
It was brutal
Yeah, that's a rough one
I was like 'hey this is worth 15 heat altogether, and I think I could deal with it'
NOPE
IMO putting 30 heat in the limited darkness one really makes 60 heat way easier
tho arguably less fun, epic boons are pretty sweet
limited darkness is fairly easy to run with
In non-heat runs if you just get dashing wallop on shield, divine dash, and then doom on special, the whole thing becomes an absolute face roll
I was just mashing left-click/q/space and didn't care about damage at all
This game is freaking great though
Tenebrous Veil is the toughest Pact, change my mind.
What about capping out healing reduction or damage increase?
I feel like those will always be hard, whereas tenebrous can vary so much depending on luck
Though I will say I never really play Tenebrous because it seems so unfun. I'd play low darkness runs any day over Tenebrous
Even with healing reduction and damage increase, if you've got good boons and your DPS is good, you can have an ok time
Tenebrous practically removes the option to have a good loadout except in the most fortunate of cases
I have found 100% healing reduction to be unplayable, but maybe I haven't tried it enough
Though I will say: whipped frenzy Sucks
whipped frenzy alecto is a run-killer
Seriously
whipped frenzy and 300%-400% damage increase on her
Hellish
So nice when you get a meg spawn
She is the easiest by far
Oh, that's why I hate Whipped Frenzy so much.
I think Tisiphone is solved.
I just never actually fully take over from muscle memory so I don't read her tells every time.
i was actually having a good run earlier doing a joke heat build; whipped, tolerance, and vicious all maxed
I guess that's only with a ranged build, though.
Do you all find bow special to be way too slow to contend with max whipped frenzy?
tisiphone is really easy, tbh
because dashing wallop is literally S-tier
I can never make it work
she has like three attacks and 100% predictable patterns
dashing wallop is the absolute best
preach, zane
If she doesn't start running at you, you're basically 100% safe instantly.
i figured out tisiphone pretty early on, bc when the other furies first came out she appeared like 70% of the time
Huh, I must just suck and not pay attention against Tisiphone, is she the green or the red one, by the way?
she still does
Rail destroys her, and then you can even lure out the thrash easily to put her in place for Bombard.
and all you do is get near her then dash away and liiiiike... nah. she's no trouble at least if you properly respect the range on those dashes like I don't
Ah okay, yeah I think I just suck when I face her
Is it weird that I'm more excited for story elements whenever Meg shows up than for the easy boss fight?
The Supergiant writers are so good.
Yeah, after playing so many games without voice acting and then playing Hades I had so much more respect for all of the voice acting
And the devs are so nutty, too.
It has so much
zane Dude, Avalon Penrose's voice does stuff.
And it's not terribly written like most video games
Imagine if it got full-tilt animated and "shot" scenes.
yeah. there's just... there's so much here? it's wonderful. it has amazing writing. it's not finished but it feels finished. smooth. excellent.
I have no idea who that is š
Yeah seriously, other than some balance it really does feel finished
Darren as Zagreus is perfect.
Oh okay, nice
Stinking. Perfect.
i want zag to sing
The pace is just so great
give it to me
onyx Yo.
darren corn pls
on so many levels hades is excellent to play...
venspeediss You mean when he's talking yang under his breath?
Do any of you get some weird mouse feel sometimes though? Mostly I notice this with ranged weapons
Like, I don't think anything is wrong with my mouse
It just does not feel like it snaps properly at all
Okay, let me see if I can explain this.
Your cursor is marking the spot geometrically above where your shot lands.
nah like, mostly it's when he's talking to Than, he does it once when he's talking to Achilles
the Concernā¢
Effectively, aim at their feet.
^
Huh, not sure if I can picture that, but thanks for the suggestion
No, really, just aim at their feet.
for floating enemies aim at their shadow.
Like it is not properly tracking, and I don't have issues in other games with my mouse
Heck floating enemies, especially armored Brimstones when I'm running the Pierced Butterfly.
Just make them not attack from off-screen.
I wonder if it's mouse acceleration I am experiencing...
You ever run into Brimstones on a joke 500% VT run that spawn due north?
Okay, I'm done, it's out of my system.
maybe turn down the dead zone setting?
in controls
if that's what's interfering with your aim
Oh, can't say I ever noticed that š¬ , what even is that?
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hahaha, well maybe I will mess with it and see what it does tomorrow
Thanks for the suggestion
From google: "areas at the center of the joystick that count as zero"
So it may very well not have a place for M+KB
Similar to aim assist
yeah idk if it's just a controller setting or what i just noticed you said mouse
maybe it's just regular lag?
Yeah, thanks for the suggestion, that may very well solve my problem, so I really appreciate it
Off to bed. Nice talking to you all.
Just got windmilled by a Greatshield on 100% VT and then it fired its Wind Scar through a pillar.
Blood.
And.
Darkness.
OH. HYPNOS JUST ASKED IF THEY DIDN'T LET THEIR GUARD DOWN AT ANY POINT.
Cheeky, SG. Very cheeky.
I guess that's my first GS death.
i'm a fan of the lines zag has about how stupid it is to have a door lock tied to a fountain lol
Any time Zag is sarcastic is amazing.
||"Oh no, not the flame of righteousness"||
This is honestly a new contender for my favorite game of all-time.
sgg's bringing their A-game for sure
i feel like pyre laid a lot of the groundwork for how the story is put together here, with the big cast and everything
Ooh, that's a good point.
and the fact that events can happen out of order - like the massive amounts of conditional convos just surrounding ||achilles and patroclus||
i've seen a combo of four or five friends and streamers each come across that set of interactions in different ways, which has been a treat
Aaaaaaaaaand I'm running late to work because I posted PARAGRAPHS in the feedback channel instead of... eating breakfast.
go go go go go!!
Made it on time! Must have gotten a blessing from Hermes!
Is there a maximum number of times where the Eye of Llamia (not sure of the spelling) can be triggered in the same room ?
Posted it on another channel but maybe someone here knows
i think it might be three?
see, i think it might be too, but i have no hard proof of that
Man the wait is gonna suck
it is, but i at least am gonna be very busy these next couple months, so i'm almost grateful
Hmm I feel like hermes' boon where you touch enemies and they slow down is way better than his legendary
I got my first clear with my 15th run! 
I was using Shield with Doom Special and somehow stacked up to 6 Death Defiances at Theseus and Asterius. Somehow. I knew I nabbed 2 from Charon's plus the three from the mirror. But I don't know how I got more. Any other way that you gain more of them?
NPC in Elysium, Athena, and Chaos.
Didn't run into any of them/their boons. So I probably nabbed three from Charon's shop without noticing.
But yay! First clear. Doom Shield is so much fun.
Praise him
no
I have proven that the game can be beaten using nothing else but the spear special
I lost my will to keep going a couple times on the long rocky road though.
Good job tho! That must have been hard as Hell
It was.
I recorded it, the video is on the Self-promo channel.
At least I managed to get THAT out of the whole situation š
now for 30 heat @topaz lake
and then 60
and then 120
dude
after that run
i did a first time spear run
and i won
no heat tho
i run butterfly on heat runs
and big enemy dmg
so i can't get hit
or i die
butterfly is just such a good addon tbh
if you are good enough you get a significant buff to all damage by the time you get into asphodel and elysium
but yeah the spear is a solid weapon
i usually go with the shield or the rail myself, but sometimes ill use the bow or spear
Universal 30% damage up (even on stuff like Doom, Poison, and Cast) is amazing. The sword is starting to coalesce as a high skill weapon to me, which I think is awesome.
Aegis is definitely the easiest weapon to use, and Dashing Wallop is definitely one of the best Hammer upgrades, but everything else is capable of matching its DPS with the right build.
A Strike Chaos Boon, Cruel Thrust, and Deadly Strike mean I'm putting out well over 300 damage any time I crit. It's great.
i feel like the sword is a high risk high reward kind of weapon because you have to get very close to use it, but it does solid damage
āAegis is the easiestā would you like to be a part of the church of Sudden Rush

I wonder what the most number of rerolls anyone has
Itās 8 or 10 I forget
max is ten
takes 165,000 darkness to get all 10 though so i don't think anyone's done it Legitimately yet
i legitimately got 8 but the rest, yea - only gets worse
but its certainly possible for some to have all
Is there anywhere they have more wallpapers of the various Gods? I've only seen Hermes super small rez but the art is GORGEOUS
For wallpapers, I think the only stuff is what's on the Hades page of the official website
165,000 darkness to get 10 rolls on Fated Authority?
<Insert George Takei "Ooooh Myyyy" GIF>
I'm working on a project, does anyone have a good reference image for the twisty symbol that shows up all over the place?
Hades's beard, the gold, etc.
I believe people refer to it as the mark of hades, if that helps
you could probably screenshot the loading icon inbetween chambers
Good call
it's a pair of pliers.
hades just wants zag to ply his trade.
Booo.
I have no idea if this is intentional but it makes me wonder
because it's a very pliers-shaped symbol
I thought it was Hades's mustache
it is, but hades's mustache is also very pliers-shaped
I think that's just how his mustache is
it's like a spear, isn't it?
I am misremembering it as a dessert fork, the kind with only two teeth
the kind you use for cubed melon or other stuff in the fruit salad
I love Hermes.
wow, just had a tie with thanatos for first time
woo!!
i never seen thanatos in my save (23 runs) š¦
someone have tips for kill Theseus ?
Yesterday i have good stuff but i die when he have 30% hp š¦
Thanatos only starts showing up after your 23rd run
If you're having trouble with Theseus, it might be good to try shield? It's safer
Hermes' automatic cast + hunting blades (artemis/ares duo) is also very good
Piercing upgrades on bow and gun now go through his shield, so if you can build a strong bow special or gun attack and get that hammer, that could work
Okey i save that for my next try, thanks !
PS : i just see the 23rd run for thanatos x) on wiki
hey does any1 have a save file i can download, i just lost mine thanks to an os reinstall and an epic games launcher issue
doesnt have to be 100% or anything but i had 10~ hours in the game, most of the mirror upgrades but very little heat really
Alright, who are the monsters who ask Hermes to be quiet?
turn on your locations i just want to talk šŖ
^
*Sparrow will remember that.
i hate that itās even an option in the game
why do i have the power to shut this cutie pie up and i cant make poseidon shut up
or zeus
^
it feels really counter to the usual wholesome vibe of hades. being able to be nice to people and everything
here's a sad fact
if you tell hermes to be quiet, he won't even talk if you give him ambrosia
I just want to talk. šŖ
Iām a spear and now and arrow main and Iāve gotten to Minotaur and Theseus I prioritize Ares and Artemis encounters whatās do I need to change to beat them
Bow? Dash attack and crit attack Artemis builds. More importantly? Learn their movement/attack patterns. If you want to play Ares, play shield special for a safer clear.
Ok
why is it an option? many other characters are a lot more talkative than hermes and he doesn't even speak outside of taking his boons afaik
if anything, I'd like artemis to stop going on about how she knows how I feel every time she gives me a boon
the dialogue is already easily skippable! it feels unnecessary and mean to just get rid of it entirely
if he was making constant background noise like Falcon Ron, sure
but it seems odd to single out one character
if only we could make hades shut up
but yeah i would really like if they removed that option from the game...it feels jarringly mean
i mean, if you think it feels mean, then.... don't tell him to be quiet?
i know, but it feels weird that itās even an option, and just for that character
why not have an option for everyone to be quiet, if thatās going to be a feature?
because none of the other characters 'work' for you? hermes seems to consider zag his boss
like, look me in the eye and tell me you think poseidon is going to be like "you want me to shut up? sure, okay! :D"
i get the feeling hermes is quite used to other people telling him to be quiet, which is why he asks zag about it
now i hope that when the game is complete, thereās a bad ending, but only if you told hermes to be quiet
the game ends, nier automata style, and youāre brought back to the menu
I'm up for an extended emotional destruction derby of an ending.
I thought it was a nod to speedrunning
Runners already time in-game timers AND total time. I assumed this was like, a way to make a little fun out of such things as a few mouse clicks.
@void vigil More like "Telling Mercury to shut up fast forwards to one of the 21 joke endings where the game ends because Mercury commited sudoku over his inability to accept your rejection"
Or the Infinity War/Endgame Direction where the only one out of million solutions for Zag to make it out lies in telling him to be quiet forever
go on
i need time
oh intruigue
godspeed
does anyone know any reason at all to increase the hearts with the ambrosia on any character other than their "artifacts"
it unlocks new dialogue with the characters and usually they gradually gain a better demeanor towards zagreus
Are Apollo and Helios the same entity?
[wiggles hand] kinda?? ish??
quick glance at wikipedia tells me
they were different when apollo wasn't sun-relevant but
I mean quick glance at Wikipedia tells me I can't figure it out
they eventually got conflated as the same thing kinda
mythology is murky and prone to change so you just kinda have to accept the maybes and could be's
In Homeric literature, Apollo was clearly identified as a different god, a plague-dealer with a silver (not golden) bow and no solar features. The earliest certain reference to Apollo being identified with Helios appears in the surviving fragments of Euripides' play Phaethon in a speech near the end... [...] By Hellenistic times Apollo had become closely connected with the Sun in cult and Phoebus, the epithet most commonly given to Apollo, was later applied by Latin poets to the sun-god Sol.
So in terms of this game, we would probably see Apollo and no mention of Helios?
basically helios was the first sun god and apollo was god of [other things] (like healing)
and then apollo just kinda. took the sun.
I'm guessing this enters the Spoiler channel territory
when the game comes out on steam will there be a way to transfer save files if we do buy another copy just cuz lol
I'd expect not. Granted it's not too hard to locate and swap files assuming that doesn't change between different launchers.
didn't apollo get merged with helios when artemis got merged with selena
same general process probably but who knows what the precise timeline was
i'd like to imagine syncretism as one god eating another
you're only literally right sometimes, but you're figuratively right all the time!
yall i think its the funniest thing when you get hades' speech about cerberus and it has his big splash thing but it just says
D O G
really got me
L O A F
It always makes me happy when people reference L š“ š¦ š«
It's nice to know that people appreciate my work
Does anyone stream or have videos of high heat gameplay on recent patches?
Curl might
curl always streams high heat runs when patches drop
but idk if he archives anything
cool thanks
do you guys think this could work well with twin sticks for controller for an alternative option would be good?
I have played mostly with keyboard and mouse, and tried the controller. I missed my ability to step away while shooting at the enemy easiear.
i think twin stick aiming has been mentioned before!
going to post it in feedback. please vote it. maybe they'll notice and put it in as an option.
has it been mentioned to the dev team?
before I repost...
Hey guys what would be your build for 60 heat? I've been trying everything! ATM I'm going with 100% convinence fee and the 500% damage + Hermes trinket
but it's still so damn hard
I tried other stuff, nothing seems to work
The new episode of Noclip's Hades documentary just showed up on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/oQPk9J7spw0
We embed with the art and music teams at Supergiant Games to examine what it's like creating the visuals and soundtrack for Hades, while the game is still in...
chaos room but its a drive thru https://twitter.com/GnosisNeurosis/status/434087180852805632
I have a meeting at work at the time of the Q&A this afternoon...if I leave two questions here can someone ask them for me pleeeeeaaaaaase?
What are the questions?
1-What have been some of the benefits or challenges of working with existing characters from the Mythology rather than creating entirely new characters like in previous games?
2-A major concern in all types of game design these days is the somewhat nebulous term of "Balance". What are the overall goals for the Design Team in terms of Balance? How will y'all know the game is in a Balanced state?
Thank you!
Meeting time!
I dont know where else to say this so ill say it here
Idk how many other god boons you plan on doing but I thought about some of them and I'd like to say it very briefly
Apollo: attacks debuff enemies making them take more damage from other attacks (this stacks) and a sleep effect
Demeter: roots and some form of increased healing/regeneration
Hephaestus: attacks make enemies burn (damage over time like dyonisius but ticks much faster) and some form of deployables (maybe a turret instead of a cast?)
Couldnt think of anything for hera or hestia (the two remaining major goddesses)
@neon mason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc4YF3g3TFU
Play now in Early Access at: https://goo.gl/aMFcbB Composed by Darren Korb. Hades is a trademark of Supergiant Games, LLC.
it's currently unlisted on youtube
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You're my actual hero rn.
How is it that supergiant can make such a large cast so charming and fun? Like, even the A-hole characters are lovely to interact with
We're also releasing the singles to stream on Bandcamp and Spotify! Last Words should be up on Spotify by Monday.
yessss
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I wanted to listen to it the other day when I was out but I couldnāt because it wasnāt on spotify and I had no data
You're so good to us, Supergiant. I love, love, love the music for Hades. ; ;
Is the OST available for purchase yet?
not yet!
What Gods would you want next in Hades
Hephaestus, God of fire and the forge giving a fire/burning effects
Asclepius, God of medicine giving healing and lifesteal
Apollo, god of music and light/sun giving a new effect called distress where they get stunned from load noises or because of a bright light
Nike, Goddess of victory she can give something like Thanatosās keepsake where we get stronger the more chambers you clear without taking damage of dropping under 40/30% heath
Nemesis, Goddess of revenge her keepsake is you do more damage to a boss or foe you died to last escape but for her boons I donāt know at the time
Janus, God of beginnings, choices and doorways he can make shortcuts threw the chambers, give special boons at the beginning of your run if you use his keepsake
If you finish his codex entry you should be able to sleep
god, i would want hypnos boons irl
legendary boon: always wake up feeling refreshed
it is a cruel trick of the gods that i sleep and sleep and sleep and never feel any less tired
Impossible, not even the power of the gods could do that
Legendary irl boon: you chose exactly when to fall asleep and when you will wake up: +50% sleep efficacy
can i get a hypnos boon that stops me from having bizarre nightmares
yes its called a dusa plushie 
Supergiant... No Hades L00t on y'all's store? For shame... could we at least get some art assets like the symbol for the House of Hades & maybe the boons for vinyl window stickers?

@ashen sphinx there are a few things on the Hades page on their official site!
Digital only but
Hey, thanks for the interest, smitty! No Hades merch/L00t yet, but I'm sure it won't be that way forever!
why would sgg have merch for a currently incomplete game
Have you seen preorder packages
Hypnos is Thanatos's brother
yeah but that's different
So far only major gods and goddesses of Greek mithology give boons in Hades
Janus is a roman god
Idea: replace all of poseidonās voice lines that include the word ānephewā with ādudeā
dionysus already exists though
oh
youre right
however, i believe wine bro and surfer dude are different orders of bro-hood
^
poseidon is the dude that used to be a surfer when he was young but now he's old and uncool but he can't let go his youth
If we could get a "House Symbol" from either Theseus's belt or Achilles's brooch, that'd be awesome @chilly stump - Just a humble request. 
alot of stuff has the house symbol
Duly noted! š
Does anyone think that in Adamant rail codex entry, the front of lower side look like a birds butt?
(possible spoilers idk) What exactly unlocks the ||covered things in the bottom of the training area with Skelly||?
@spice cliff ||beating the game with certain Heat levels in the pact of punishment, which you can start unlocking after beating the game for the first time. The levels for unlocking those are 15 heat, 60 heat and 120 heat||
Thanks!
Quick Question if anyone is on - when swapping out a keepsake, do you lose any gained bonuses from it? For example, I currently have 16.5% Dodge with Lambert Plume. If I swap it for another Keepsake, do I lose the dodge?
yes.
Thanks
Anyone know if there's a mythological connection between Megara (Creons daughter/Hercules disney gal pal) and Megaera (the Erinyes/Fury we know and love).
no connection I know of! just similar names
isn't that dionysius thing
it fits
@winter river I mean, we also have Chronos and Chronus, so.....similiar names can happen I guess.
True, I was just curious if anyone was aware of a connection.
If there is one I am not aware of it.
is there a keepsake that makes zag's next boon a hammer? it's one of my favorite boons cuz I don't like charging my bow and it has some really fun interactions with other boons
there is not
dangit
@elder beacon It isn't really needed though. The game tries to force a hammer into your run between Tartarus and Asphodel and always gives you a second one in the earlier chambers of Elysium.
(Which can actually end up being troublesome if you don't care about hammers for whatever reason)
hi, I seem to not be able to post in #hades-feedback . I seem to have encountered an inconsistency between the Hades - Wiki and the actual game, and I was looking for clarification.
What happens when you get a Pommegranate through erberus? The wiki stated that it would also upgrade the rarity of the boon? but during on of my runs, it didn't upgrade my boon from epic to legendary?
@dull trench "legendary" isn't a rarity level - legendary boons are special boons that build off of or add to earlier boons you received from the same god. They have prerequisites to acquire, which you can check on the wiki.
There is a rarity level above epic, which is "heroic", but you can only get a boon of this rarity by exchanging an epic-level boon for a boon of the same type given by a different god.
Additionally, Poms from Erebus no longer change the rarity of a boon - this was patched out as part of the High Speed Update on 6/11. The wiki may not have been updated to reflect that change yet.
Amazing answer! thank you very much š
hello hello, buying it now, how long would you say you could play it in its current state?
is there a harder mode?
There is an option to selectively increase difficulty.
^
Enemies hit harder, items cost more, etc.
Dope.
Worth note you have to unlock what are basically skill points in increasing the difficulty. It's very similar to the previous supergiant games in that regard. You also get some bonuses for higher difficulty runs.
Hey, I'm quite new to the games made by Supergiant. Do they usually add content post final release? Like after Hades reaches final release, is that it? Do they just move on after or will they keep on adding stuff?
the last three games have had no post-release content (outside of additional soundtrack albums)
there's a high chance this game will be the same, but since this game is the first early access game for SGG, who knows!
Hope they'll add more. Got the game yesterday and took me under a day to beat it. Read through the roadmap that they plan to add a form of endgame later on which I hope will add more replayability because the increase difficulty skull thingies are cool and all but they're not extending the replay value by that much.
i mean, the game only has three out of four planned areas right now
i mean, wasn't versus mode for pyre a post release patch?
nop
Just bought it.
where's the hard mode?
might wanna finish a regular run before thinking about hard mode haha
(you unlock a way to make your runs harder by ||clearing asphodel|| )
i think you should have your fun with regular runs first!
Just wondering
.....is megs voice, meg from supernatural.....?
legit a DnD name
avalon penrose is a wizard name
extremely.
I haven't been super active for a while, is this missing selection option a bug or intended? https://i.imgur.com/64LoG8Z.png
hades: i know u aremt using heat, but im your father and i say use heat >:0
can you use the keyboard to navigate to it?
because I know Space confirms boon choices
it looks like you're able to select it tho
nah, i had it before and i couldn't select it
I DID IT
ONLY TOOK ME 3 TIMES
You said being the area unlocks a way to make it harder, did i miss it somehow?
i'm not sure of how it may work now, but it unlocked when i went back to the house of hades i think
the desk beside the mirror can be unlocked to give you options making the game harder
i finished the area, thought that unlocked it. :c
did you die after you beat it
are you sure itās || asphodel||?
wasn't that the second or third area?
||2nd||
the ||second area||
yeah, i got all the way to the third. Lol
it will appear after you get back from clearing at least the second area. then you need to spend a key to unlock it
Woohoo! My first win: https://imgur.com/a/xIU13OE
Had the Shield with a 202 damage Doom bonus. That was great
nice!
Just got my first win myself, rail with lighting on special and triple gernades
even managed to do it with 25 heat
a little question, does someone know how to make the game work again when it's totally frozen ? or should I just end it and play again the entire run ( wich will be different of course )
Thanks for reporting a game freeze! The most common solution to this issue can be found in #hades-tech-fixes-old
if it's completely locked up you'd probably have to force-quit the game and load it back up again
ok ! well ... guess I will have to start again a run ( is there an "in between" stage save ? or floor save ? last time it happened I had to start all over the run )
it depends on when it crashed and whether the game feels like being nice. worst-case scenario, it'll drop you back at the house courtyard as though you hadn't gone on the run; if you're lucky, it'll go back to the last autosave while on the run
the game autosaves when you enter and when you complete each room of a run
Hope it will set me before Hydra when it froze, I had a cool crit run, first time I was going that way. I cross fingers !
well ... house of hades. Acted like a cold shower, will start the game again tomorrow ( too much salt for this non saving I don't know why ^^ )
Quick question, last time it crashed on me and reset my run the seed remained the same. Is it true in general?
yup, if you reset a run then the seed is the same - it only changes when you die, iirc
Neat, so next time I crash I just need to remember everything I chose up until that point and the run will be the same. In theory.
Why can't i write something on #feedback discussion ?
i did, and i see nothing that will prevent me from posting feedback
it says something about removing feedback, but there's nothing about writing feedback
oups ok
there is a second post!
.....its ok i just went back there to look and had a moment of OH NO DID WE TAKE THAT BIT DOWN???
it is there tho!!
i keep meaning to ask amir if it would make more sense to redo the pins in there to keep the Rules as the first post you see when you open the pins
alright, i need to post on hades-gameplay... that was really easy to say
........no, that's still the wrong channel.
this is not easy then
š
i sent you a screencap of the rules with the rule you needed to read highlighted in bright orange
thx
Well hello there supergiants!
The pins have been re-pinned!
woo!
im in a trial of athena and dionysus
which is the least bad to fight
i feel like athena
Dionysus won't hit you without warning.
^
Well done.
or sho
What's your weapon?
Ah, there you go.
im tempted to go ares
I've almost lost melee runs to Dionysus and Ares.
Well done.
ok
Triple damage, eh?
epic curse of pain
not bad
it only goes up to 150%
ok boat room
should be easy
damn
got hit 3 times
i did it
hydra succ
im screwed
Is that a health Trove?
Do y'all plan to add more weapons to hades?
One more is coming.
that's it?
So far.
I was able to build a 50% Butterfly into Elysium. It doesn't happen on melee builds.
i got the big p
Poseidon?
should i go hydralite gold or kiss of styx
spoiler btw
I don't know how to wall that off.
Kiss of Styx is like, one extra hit against A and T.
Yeah.
Just no-hit Alecto with a really OP Tempest Flourish and Explosive Skewer. Started at 192% at spawn.
that's spear right*?
Yup.
i won with heroic aphro flourish and explosive skewer
I like that they gave Aphrodite and Poseidon big damage ups, but I kinda wish they'd just fix Poseidon.
I feel like bursts of damage on knockback and triggering knockback-triggered effects against enemies normally immune (bosses) is enough.
Especially with Sea Storm and Second Wave.
what are those
Just... Two lightning bolts, when they would normally be triggered by KB and then Second Wave.
Poseidon Legendary and Poseidon/Zeus Duo.
Second Wave triggers a second knockback about a second after the initial push, and Sea Storm strikes the target with a bolt of lightning upon knockback.
So you hit something with a Tempest Strike sword attack, and they get hit with lightning once and then again when they get pushed back a second time, plus Rupture damage.
He's got enough.
sea storm not working on bosses really sucks
^^^^^
I would do terrible terrible things for that to work upon "knockback" and to be unblockable. Full-tilt Zeus and Poseidon would be crazy powerful.
Especially if you somehow swing Splitting Bolt.
Aaand 71% Slippery Flourish.
wait
do
splitting bolt and double strike stack
like can you can 3 thunders off a thunder dash
yes
maybe spoilers
man how do people do 50+ heat? i barely beat theseus with no heat
Hi! Hades is great! I think it'll be the best game yet!
Are there any hades emojis available or has someone done any fanart on it? Want to add a hades emoji for my discord server for people who play it
There are some! @alpine stratus has made a few i know
they'll check the ping when they wake up, if they say it's ok you might be able to use theirs!
there are also image files on the wiki that you could use to make custom emoji, like 
or 
thereās also
or
but those were made by Joanne and I donāt wanna ping her bc sheās on do not disturb D:
idk if theyāre ok to use or if u should ask her 
man I donāt know what server itās from
feel free to lift it for a personal server tho lol
oh itās from the thumper server
@red flame hi! I have a bunch of hades emoji yeah
all up for grabs! if theres a way to let ppl kno i did the art/edit in ur servers readme or whatever id appreciate it v much
and if ur looking for a specif character art u can always commission me for som ;> 
oh i also hav

wait whereās pensive zag

or was it pensive than
there is also a thanpensive
i...made that one for personal use specifically amd would prefer u dont use it sorry
valid
pensivezag i mean
ah sorry! was just wondering
NDFNKDBR THE FIRST ONE
New hades song is out
Itās 
(Which song?)
Play now in Early Access at: https://goo.gl/aMFcbB Composed by Darren Korb. More at: http://www.supergiantgames.com | @SupergiantGames Hades is a trademark o...
sandra.....................TWO!
Oh, this is so creepy and so good.
@chilly stump could you add it to the ost playlist on spotify?
oh i don't think it's yours
sorry
That's alright! Darren manages the playlist you're referring to, I believe. And he's already got it up on his Hades Singles playlist here, I'm happy to report!
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1suDncqCbHbkQS3ZMzLEas?si=kR4daIcsRJma6ZSeNPt3qA
thanks
I love The Bloodless.
Will we be getting the acoustic and rock versions separated? Because hoooly schnikes the hard version of Scourge of the Furies goes hard.
i can't post on the feedback forum and i just wanted to say
i love this game and deflecting orbs back onto enemies should damage them
If you want to post in feedback, check the pinned posts there
Also i think deflected orbs do damage enemies?
If you're talking about like witch orbs
Athena Deflects should be doing damage
@acoustic plaza You need to get the Early Access role from the Proxy Bot
deflected attacks definitely do damage
using wrath, do you just not get to often?
to do what often
assuming you don't get hit very often in tartarus, you should very rarely activate it in tartarus, not even against the boss
by elysium though, you should be reliably getting it at least once per room
maybe more
really
unless you've got one of the boons that increases wrath gain, but they recently nerfed those
and ofc getting hit with high heat on will speed up the process a lot
does anyone know if theres already feedback on character customization?
i see the chest of clothes in zagrius's room and cant help but hope we can give him new outfits
god Please let zag have costumes
BIG hat
crunch
Not really a feedback, because it's more of an anticipation
But I'm afraid the game, especially on 60+ heat, is going to be way too difficult when the fourth biome is implemented
It really feels like the Asterius/Theseurs fight is the endpoint of the run, I think there would only be like 1/10th of my heated wins (not even talking about runs) where I could keep going (in terms of HP left or death defiances left) more than 2/3 rooms in a biome that could be harder than Elysium
Not even talking about fighting another boss
Do you guys have any opinion/experience on how the game will adapt to the fourth biome?
if it stays at the same difficulty as it is now, I think it'll be alright
I don't want the game to be too easy, especially at what should be the hardest point
^^
Actually, I'd argue for making Asphodel harder
Since at some point its just mechanical and boring
You cant stop for a second because of the wave bois
And you pretty much cant hit any of the bomb bois since they just jump away immediately
So its an exercise of being patient enough to eliminate the enemies in order and not take damage in the meanwhile
honestly if the difficulty keeps ramping that sounds awesome, though i think that would need new interesting ways of increasing your power beyond number increases. dont know how they would do that or anything
exactly
this is a roguelike, roguelikes are not meant to be easy
Itās a roguelite aha, the use of the mirror and permanent upgrades make it so. Roguelites have a lower difficulty ceiling in general compared to roguelikes.
thats really splitting hairs, i think there should be an incentive to go mirrorless. I made it to the hydra without the mirror and it was one of my most favorite runs
||Meg has dialogue regarding mirrorless runs,|| and running with high heat to gain the reward bonus for low darkness encourages the player to go that route as well.
On a personal level I just mainly like the difficulty as it is though
not to "well, actually" this, but i'm going to "well, actually" this
||meg's dialogue about the mirror does not depend on you having low darkness, it's just two conversations that trigger after you've collected a certain amount||
i enjoy the double reward rooms for high heat run, can really boost a run
anyone know if rooms like chaos or the challenge rooms count towards progression in the floors
Chaos rooms no, but challenge rooms definitely used to
ok cool
next update when?
you can check in the bottom right corner in the game's main menu!
seeking blades + vicious cycle is a little broken. I mean it was crazy fun killing Thesus in 10 seconds. But I don't think it is intended.
Eh, having to set up a Legendary and a Duo isn't nothing.
true it was pure luck and I didn't get it until 2 rooms before Theseus and the Bull
i currently have not the most useful, but one of the most fun combinations yet :')
Twin shot + tempest strike just makes enemies fly accross the whole room from the arrows
@shadow trellis How did you kill him in 10 seconds?
The invincibility keeps me from doing that
Like, he reaches 50%, becomes invincible, walks a couple steps, that alone takes precious seconds right there.
is the bow just terrible in compariosn?
I quite like the bow, personally; it's a matter of taste i think
Bow's got lower DPS than most other weapons, but you should be able to attack from afar enough that you can safely kite, which plays into the bow's innate piercing.
Personally, I think it and the spear are still underpowered. Vicious Skewer really hurts DPS against single targets if you're a Special build, which is normally one of the spear's crowd-clearing tools.
Massive Spin and Quick Spin together with any half-decent Attack Boon will do work, but that's relying on two Hammers, so you're getting that at-earliest in Elysium.
I thought I had read somewhere there was a reward or something for heat runs, with the first threshold being 15, and I just got that for the first time. Is it faulty info or what's the change?
Check the weapon room
You should have had a conversation with Skelly about the rewards, I think
I did, he was just asking me to hit him š¦
There may be prerequisites to the rewards showing up - beating the current boss a certain number of times for example?
might have to try it a few times. Exagryph + Chain lightning isn't too hard to set up and worked okay
Might need more than that, though I can't check right now...
Wait wait, so do you have the rewards in the weapon room, or no?
I didn't see any. I'll relaunch tomorrow and check again I suppose
but Skelly didn't mention it
I think there may be a "you must have completed this many runs before you'll have the option to get the rewards at all" prerequisite
Is what I meant
But I can't go in the game and check right now because I'm at work and my laptop is dead, lol
Gotcha. Could be. I'm still getting the hang of it
Yeah. I'll dig a bit later and get back to you, unless Sparrow beats me to it
@light thistle Looks like you only have to have cleared the game once + unlocked the pact in order to see the statues so...idk what the issue is
?
Hey kids, just seen this on Epic and really love the art and style. How much game is there at the moment as I believe this is their EA release?
close to ¾ of the game i believe
yes..! i could be wrong though, what iām certain of, is that itās over halfway through rn
It's hard to say what percent "done" it is, they have a roadmap for this year that they're obviously making progress on so you can always compare to that I suppose...but if nothing else, there's a good 10-15 hours of content, being modest. There's a lot of replayability, as you might expect, so even once you burn through story stuff it's still fun
To be fair if youāre bad at the game like me you can confidently get double that time :D
Haha cool - yeah I do anticipate having some sort of artificial extension due to being bad. :p
I'm finding the current Steam sale a little lacklustre, my entire Wish List other than 3 titles is on Coming Soon and out of those 3, 2 are pre-orders. :/
The game's length is really in replaying and likely will still be the same after release. But we've got 3 out of 4 game areas, all weapons but 1, all gods but 1, and all bosses but 1 right now - pending any extras they might add.
so its definitely close to finished, and its already pretty polished
I wonder what kind of weapon the last one is š¤
i want it to be magic-based to contrast the Gunā¢
I want it to be cerb
no i will never shut up about wanting the magic weapon
Riding ur doggo into battle tho
I almost think cerb could be the last boss
i feel like that's a little too dark tbh
So far all my theories are either stupid or heartbreaking
Hoping for ||double fury fight|| for final boss tbh
i think a hades boss fight would break my heart most of all tbh
but like in a cathartic way i hope
but to really round off the like....cyclical stuggle HHHHHHHH
not that id be against it but like
the final boss fight being against hades would be kind of anticlimatic like
without the plot elements and stuff
instead youd be like ooOOO imma fight the bIg BaDdIe
but then we'd have to deal with hades' sarcastic comments every time he beats us to the ground
true
For what its worth I managed to get my statue after a second 15 heat run win (in a row no less, go me). Think the real issue is the lack of visual cue. I kept clicking around the covered statues until Skelly gave the speech about impressing someone etc. Suppose need to put that in feedback.
I still don't know how to or am able to post in the feedback channel so i'll do it here again. I think the bow is really bad and clumsy. This could be fixed by having you do melee damage at the start of animation to stun like you would with melee
pins
also this game would sell like fire if it was on theSwitch
obligatory: have you tried the dash attack
Easier to build for one platform before polishing and optimizing for a bunch. Also, dashing makes your bow charge faster. Play with Artemis' dash attack boon on bow. Find the rhythm.
@sterile peak thank you!
So I'm a little tired of playing ||with the pact of punishment active|| and I'm looking to just mess around
What are some of your favorite sets?
Huh. Never knew there was a working dash attack for now, yet.
As a newbie, what's worked for me (outside of hunting blades, which is difficult to get but shreds)... Rail with Zeus attack+cast, +jolted+double lightning.
Flurry fire for hammer.
And I haven't tried it but a dionysus attack with aphrodite special and their duo boon on rail could also be pretty nuts. 8 or more stacks of poison...
I actually used that with dionysus wrath on my last run, using shield.
(with poseidon attack for ridiculously fun and powerful room clearing knock back. Was pretty hilarious in Elysium)
The most stupid run for me; because I know where you're coming from; was with the rail
I had the hammer for the cone shot (5 shots at once) with Dionysus's poison
ANOTHER hammer for 3 specials w/ Artemis's crit
My wrath was Ares AND I had his legendary boon
heavy slug artemis, become the sniper you always wanted to be
Yeah, heavy slug Artemis and triple bomb Artemis are how I got my first hydra kill. And cleared Elysium up to theseus with it
Triple bomb Artemis in general is pretty silly.
Such fun. But not a guaranteed kill for me yet.
The thing about A&T is that you need to RUN
Most of the run you're playing aggressively, but for them you have to be more defensive, otherwise you're just gonna die
that's more true for heat runs imo
because I usually just rush them down with sword - even if my build is bad they have trouble hurting you if you're spamming dash
Yeah am learning that about them, no matter how much offense, I can't pull it off. Ironically my first kill on them was with sword, which I almost never use. Forget the load out.
I forgot best part of my Shield with poseidon attack... I also had dashing wallop. Dash attack had people flying in all directions.
i prefer to out-offense things, which is why artemis is my favorite god
... Or right into the wall for massive damage.
the damage she can build up melts bosses
Artemis has been mine too at first, but now I'm drifting to Zeus
True. It's just hard on theseus fight to get hit with his near perma blocj
I generally get him down with poison, shatter shot from behind, or blades.
But then again I have less tjan 10 kills so far so I'm not a good stat. Lots of close but no cigar with artemis
I remember playing transister like in 2015 and being a fan of God of War, I am really interested in the greek mythos
I think I will have the early access
Where should I report bugs?
press f10 while ingame!
thanks š
it sends a screenshot and your save to supergiant so they can try to reproduce the bug and you can also type in a description
hopefully that works out cuz the problem i'm reporting is my entire computer freezing in the chamber i'm currently in lol
Thanks for reporting a game freeze! The most common solution to this issue can be found in #hades-tech-fixes-old
proxy please
no I think Proxy is close enough this time
yeah no i was about to say
@void nova this might be helpful, if you can't get the game to run long enough to bug report: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/521144863023169536/588171592115421184
"they're a little off but they got the spirit"
other stuff in tech fixes may also be useful
thanks, i managed to submit the bug š
how many days left for the next patch?
A little over a month
thanks
is there anywhere to see your fastest runs etc without beating Theseus?
no.
a pity, but oh well. Thanks!
i just got through my first clear!!! I'm so excited
Congratulations! What was your build?
Actually share that in #h1-builds-and-combat if you do!
Anyone know what is the range of distant memory?
https://www.speedrun.com/Hades#High_Speed_Update_Any while there are plenty of runs not recorded here, this is a good bet
Hades - Leaderboard
Man, Nova Strike builds are crazy.
who thinks a Daedalus labyrinth would be cool addition kind of like chaos gate, but symbol could be hammer can be you get special weapon after defeating the boss . The boss could be Daedalus using clunky machine or something that u slowly have to destroy pieces off of and as u take pieces off he get faster but loses attacks as it goes on and instead of killing he help on next runs like secret random passage way thro like skip 1 or 2 rooms but room u come back to is slightly beefed up cause hades angry boi or am i just a fan boi over Daedalus ?
id rather have something to add 1-5 rooms so i can get more upgrades before boss battle lol
@red coral Is that bug assisted?
Honestly donāt know? From what I know of our community my guess is no
Nice!
zagreus wants to say something https://i.imgur.com/3tLkknU.jpg
bvdgg I donāt mind zag
zag is actually so cool
Random Question: are Poms more effective on Common Boons vs Rares/Epics?
Was doing a low-darkness run for the first time since Murder/Death/Kill and my Poms seemed NUTS.
Whereas usually they're... fine.
But I didn't have my increased chance of Rares/Epics...because... low Darkness.
i'm having probably my best run so far, if i actually manage to beat theseus and the minotaur this time will that go away or will i be able to somehow continue on this run when the next biome is released?
If you get an end screen, you won't keep your current build into the next biome update. If you hold yourself from finishing, I honestly have no idea what will happen
hmmmmm
eh i might as well just go for it surely i can get a good build again lol, i'm just stoked about this one
well damn.... i failed lol
š« š
thank you, lol

i think where i went wrong was accepting an upgrade that made my attacks not knock back foes, i think i was underestimating how much i was relying on that š¤·
Theseus had THIS MUCH š health left
still feelin' good about it lol
Figuring out Theseus is one of the most satisfying things I've done in a game in YEARS.
It's a good feeling.
first run in like 4 months i managed to clear with 440 darkness because rank 5 doom on bow special is sorta broke
174 damage
ther is any oficfial art on the place that Chaos hang out? i would looove to have that place for a wallpaper
I peronsally want a dusa plush
does anybody know the platforms this will be released on?
because if it's going to be on the switch
i might just wait till then
No word on it yet
Probably more PC platform after release (Steam, maybe Gog), but for now only Epic Games in Early Acces state if I'm right
And if I'm right, SSG do ports for other platforms for the games, so porting abillities are limited
Hey, would anyone with a more or less completed game be willing to send me their save? Mine got corrupted a couple of weeks ago and at this point it doesn't seem like I'm ever going to get it back :(
I hope that's an alright thing to ask for! I'm not sure where else to go
EDIT: I got one, thanks!
Anyone know how to get Athena's legendary? I don't seem to be getting it offered. Is brilliant riposte no longer the prerequisite?
it might just be not showing up for you since it's still listed as needing brilliant on the wiki
bastion and stuff are on switch so I assume this will make it
goddammit i have the exalted stuck in my head thanks
vrooooo, da vrooooo, da vroooooo da doo doo
dundundundundundun dundundundun, dundundundun, dundundundun
Is the bug report channel simply #hades-feedback ?
no
#hades-feedback is for giving feedback, as the name suggests
if you have a bug to report, please press f10 while ingame (and ideally while the bug in question is happening, where possible)
is it just me, or is the bow special slower to complete with the +100% arrows?
It looks slower, but hold down a movement key (or stick) and I'm pretty sure you can move at the same time. I could be wrong, but I think it's just visual.
even if its slightly slower its not by much atleast
tho if its slower at all it should say so when the perk is presented
it feels like half a second, or somewhere around there, though i've never timed it
@vapid drift Do you know if anyone made a feedback of Athena's legendary being absent?
that would be a bug report, with
in-game
what you guys think the last weapon gonna be?

considering how they're visually separated, i'd guess some form of ranged weapon
i want........ magic............
BIG STAFF
big knotted wooden staff...
Something thatās primarily aoe would be cool, or a slower projectile
wanna burn stuff
consider: wax wings
Boomerang
[gets out of underworld] hey whats that big yellow thing in the sky [melts and falls back in]
There is no escape
You just pick up rocks and throw them for your special
ksdfjklasjs
use Daedalus hammer on my fingers and break them all
One hammer for each hand
pick up the boon circle and toss it
play pyre with the Zeus orb
if you think about it, Remembrances are basically just archjustice hijacking your dreams
aj dream is just a rememberance that hasnt happened yet
fades into remembrance, aj sitting there
š: ZAGRRREUS
slowly fades out with him still shouting
JXJCJDJFJ
"You just pick up rocks and throw them for your special"
Aren't those just your bloodstones, ha
Hey father check this out.
- Zag chucks a bloodstone -
Not so useless now, am I Dad.
Days later there's a new rule: No Throwing Stones in the House of Hades
KFJFKCJ
Who would win
One ultimate caretaker of the dead
or
One sassy boi?
Are there other Duo boons conversations other than the Zeus/Poseidon one?
Oh so they aren't all there
I thought they were bugged since I didn't get one for Artemis/Ares and Artemis/Zeus
so uhh using aphro's wrath's animation to use my momentum to dodge right through a medusa shot is the sickest thing ever
does Triple Shot split your total damage across the three shots?
or each is at 100%dmg still?
also in Sniper Shot, how far is ādistantā?
Each shot of triple shot deals normal damage
I'm not sure how distant is distant but I would wager about a spear length
cool, so at pointblank its 300% dmg basically
Yeah, extra fun with Poseidon
Np
l thinking over "Boon Replacements". They often not worth it, even Heroic. What if make they additional 4th option to choose (only them)? Make replace reduces strength grow, so... if player really want boon of specific god - then sacrifices +1 boon to collection in run. Heroic usually = Rare+3 or Epic+2... meh.
put it in feed back
its locked for me :c

read the pinned message
okay i just started playing hades after havig bought it during that last sale and being too lazy to pick it up
but holy HECK this gameplay is sleek
yeah its really nice
it's even sleeker because i started playing it right out of a start of a transistor replay lmao
turns out im not as good at games as i thought i as
is the gameplay better with a controller? my wasd keys don't work so well
KBM and controller each have their own benefits so its kind of personal preference, but a controller is technically recommended
There are very high level players on each control scheme
hmm alrighty, i'll give it a try one of these days, see how i feel about it
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i personally prefer kbm simply because i have all the muscle memory for buffer stuff
but dashes are less precise on kbm
I prefer controller .... Uhh well I also haven't even tried kbm cuz I'm trying to protect my poor wrists lol but iirc switching from kbm to controller in Bastion improved the experience for me so š¤·
RIP 19 win streak.
Huh. Crit Tipsy Shot with Priviledged Status and a Chaos Boon broke 1200.
I prefer mkb because I'm a staunch advocate of the Adamant Rail and I refuse to be anything but monogamous :kappa:
That's my girl right there :kappa:
i have a blood filled vial as the perk or whatever and my next boon was hermes hmm
and now its poseidon
uh
First run in a while?
Poseidon can override your God keepsake if he's offering you wrath for the first time. Hermes doesn't count as the 'next god you'll see', and has his own identity (just like a hammer). You can even find shops with both Hermes and another God Boon.
Charon when I have 23 gold: Hermes, Aphrodite, Hammer in the store
Charon when I have 506 gold: would u like a uhhhhhh darknis
"boons? I don't know what boons are here have a pom"
*charon carefully nudges a boon behind his back*
āBlease, I just need something, anything to boost my damage outputā
āWould you like a CENTAUR HEART to go with your full health???ā
okay so does lambent plume's bonuses still work if I swap it out
no
don't know if this is the best place to ask this but is there plans to port Hades to the switch like Transistor?
What are some fun Sword builds?
Fun sword builds?
I have something in mind
And hear me out here: World Splitter
empowering nova + flurry blades
World Splinter is awesome!!!
Why would it be "technically" better to use a controller? Why is that the recommended route?? š¤
Easier on the wrists, I think
And I'm glad you like World Splitter :D
poseidon special sword build
I prefer KBM because I really prefer aiming with a mouse (though Greg "Aim At Their Feet" Kasavin has... ideas), and I've never been in a situation where losing the other 352 degrees of motion hurt me that much. Indeed, being able to freely aim while still maintaining attacking posture (aiming at the Brimstone in the middle of a bunch of Thugs and Louts in Erebus) has always been helpful.
honestly i just find it way more comfortable to use a controller for these kinds of games
i've used a controller for every other sgg game, so
That's what it needs to boil down to.
"Is it functional, and is it comfortable?"
I've played everything on PC, though I'm tempted to go back to Pyre and trying it on a controller. That was the only one where I had doubts about KBM.
Hey, Onyx, speaking of.
When is the next update again
August 6th. You can also check by launching Hades, should be a button in the lower righthand corner.
np
I think Im gonna enter Discord Turbo just so I can use Hades' emotes everywhere
they look so goood!!
any suggestions on beating the stupid snake to the ground?
heres my thans tho yeah!