idk supergiant is all about small “meaningless” things if they serve the story
#h1-discussion
void vigil
topaz lake
oh wait you're supposed to give gods more than 1 ambrosia?
void vigil
you can do whatever you like with your ambrosia! But more hearts means more new dialogue, with every character
golden jackal
if it serves the story, not sure if i would consider it pointless then.
but the thing is, if ambrosia can already achieve that, why add this is what i mean
void vigil
I never said pointless, and I did say “not much”, not “no meaningful effects”
I just thought it would be neat to develop this relationship system further is all. I mean, people ask if displeasing the gods does something all the time, why not make it do something, however small?
much like how when people smashed everything in bastion they added a line for that
golden jackal
i'm aware you didn't say that, i did. regardless, why not just change the system used with ambrosia already?
void vigil
haha idk, why not!
I just don’t really see how, aside from this which already ties in to another existing thing. But I’m not very imaginative
topaz lake
will the server banner change with the new update?
void vigil
I don’t know but I imagine it will
golden jackal
yes
cold sorrel
777AkaHeroToday at 12:59 PM
What powers ppl manged to clear the game on first run with ? i only manged and tried athene yet. easy clear.. think i am gone try to first run clear all gods to se 😛 think posidon is easy to !
any ppl tried or have thougths about it :)? by the way love the game.! would be awesome to se same game platform with Adventure time ^^ call up cartoon network and make em a game ;D
then u got all the kids to playing Hades ^^ just renamed ^^
hexed smelt
i mean, i have a video of the first time i 'won' (although that was back when hydra was the endboss)
it's kinda funny to go back and watch it to see how much has changed in such a short space of time.....
olive jungle
i still have video of back when the hydra didn't have phases and you could take it out ridiculously quickly....those were the days gdkfjgfd
hexed smelt
it's also incredibly cringe-worthy watching myself not know how to hydra at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJRBqDzf4vA look at this moron dashing away from the eggs instead of just smashing them
olive jungle
ah......even the UI has changed so much ;w;
hexed smelt
"i know it keeps saying impervious but what if i kept shooting it anyway"
remember when you didn't get a cool stats window on clearing the game........... old times
vale kite
remember when you got darkness instead of heat for defeating the hydra bc the pact of punishment wasnt a thing yet
hexed smelt
...... 
why did i have distant memory, of all things
"ah yes, distant memory goes perfectly with triple shot, which you need to be near-point-blank to use well"
hexed smelt
the hydra room having solid walls made dodging the shots ridiculously easy
olive jungle
we're a bunch of old folks sitting around reminiscing about the good old days when everything was broken gjdfhgf
void vigil
those passion dash numbers i
olive jungle
RIGHT
vale kite
remember when shield had innate deflect and peerless parry existed,
olive jungle
you can still stand in a corner and not get hit but sadly you can't clear whole rooms like that anymore 😔
sterile peak
OG shield and Passion Dash were the hypercarry choices of launch day
remember when shield used to deflect
vast junco
wait, shield used to have innate deflect properties? oh my gods
hollow merlin
Holy crud
hexed smelt
yyyyyup
it had innate deflect, and a hammer that made deflected attacks do 500% damage
hollow merlin
y i k e s
vast junco
cue cartoonish mouth agape
hexed smelt
yyyyyeah there's a reason the second patch removed peerless parry and the innate deflect
spice patrol
I still miss it, it was such a fun playstyle
gentle heath
Is it just me, or doesn't the game save when you turned off the captions.
?
It resets everytime.
red coral
by resets everytime, do you mean every time you try to change the setting it doesn't work, or every time you start the game it has the captions turned back on?
gentle heath
Everytime I start the game, Caption are tunred on.
Another question: What are the odd Megaera appears in the house? Wanna give here Ambose, but she didn't show up for a while now.
reef lodge
I think she's there usually after you defeat her?
red coral
Don't know about the captions, but Dani is right, she only shows up in the house after you defeat her. So she won't if you face Tisiphone or Alecto that run.
reef lodge
Yes, she'll be there and very salty at that. I love her ❤
gentle heath
Hmm, I fought Alecto the last few runs. So more runs to do^^
regal pagoda
Oh, so that is the condition.
I never knew
but that makes sense I suppose.
Makes me wonder if in later updates, Tisiphone and Alecto will show up as well.
Also Hornyboy and the bullhead.
topaz lake
tis and alecto wont show up
it's been confirmed in game by meg or achilles
i can't remember which one
reef lodge
I'm trying to figure out how to mark spoilers 😦
topaz lake
it's like this || ||
oh.
you put you message between 2 ||
like one before one after
void vigil
Like ||this||
topaz lake
yea
reef lodge
Ohh ok thank you!
reef lodge
Ok so about Alecto and Tisiphone || I believe Zag at some point asks Meg about her sisters, and she said something about them not being allowed in the lounge or where people are because they're not that errm, behaved? something like that, like they're different than Meg ||
Wooo it works 😄 thank you
My keyboard doesn't even have that symbol, ty ty
sterile peak
relevant to how to spoiler tag things
|| I || || |I ||
|| II || || I_ ||
fossil basin
@reef lodge , your keyboard must have it somewhere, it's used very often for programming. Mine (french keyboard) is under the 6, using Alt Gr
reef lodge
Hi @fossil basin I was starting at my keyboard for a good long while but I couldn't find the symbol anywhere on it 😦
Ohh wait!!! Just now I found it, It looks different on my keyboard, instead of a long stick it shows like it's cut in half
fossil basin
same
reef lodge
I didn't know how it was called to google the symbol so I asked here, but now I know where it is, I feel so silly, thank you. I was about to say "the closest I've found is this" and I typed it and then it worked -_-
livid cargo
hey, what's the price of hades for everyone right now? it appears to be off sale early
nvm i see it as $10 now
strange
hexed smelt
i'm seeing £15.49 discounted to £5.49
livid cargo
or rather its properly discounted
vernal wave
Had such a bad day at work. I wished the next patch came out today 😄 But I guess killing Theseus again will do the job fine as well.
next plover
Aaaaaa boy do I love the spear. Handles well while hitting like a beautiful truck
somber pawn
So when are we going to get that date with Dusa 
?
elder flax
Got it yesterday
halcyon heron
Are you playing on a patch from the future? I feel like the spear is a wet noodle
woeful lotus
the special can hit quite hard with the right boons
you can end up with more or less guaranteed crits so at that point it hits hard
rain ibex
So i kinda hate to be that guy but i wanted to know if hades is coming to console soon or if it's still in early access
olive jungle
rain ibex
Ah okay i skimmed over it thinking that it hadn't changed from the website so my bad and ty
somber pawn
I feel like the interaction between Artemis and Achilles doesn't really make sense, as Artemis is one of those maiden goddesses who don't marry
red coral
?
red coral
Yeah, I interpreted it as admiration rather than romantic affection aha
somber pawn
Yeah but still, its sorta out of character
topaz lake
no it's not
somber pawn
'He's best for me'
topaz lake
oh i didn't get that one
somber pawn
Or 'I'm best for him', i forgot
hexed smelt
no, it's I'm kind of a fan. You see Achilles, tell him he's the best for me!
as in, tell him he's the best for me
as in, "i cannot tell him in person, but you can tell him for me"
humble pulsar
i dont really find it out of Artemis's character. Her character feels so devoted to her "work" (if you want to call it that) that it makes sense she'd want to compliment a skilled warrior, if she admires how skilled he is.
I do like how there seems to be a bit of a bigger focus on how isolated and almost alone Artemis is in her character design. (as in she has an air of not fitting in, at times she can be very direct or awkward in conversation, a bit anti-social, gives the implication that she would much rather be our hunting than talking with the other gods)
sterile peak
it's about as out of character as zagreus ||initially fanboying over Theseus||
so, not at all
sterile peak
asterius seems to respect him more than zag respects asterius
tulip lava
i mean, there are clashing expectations here
asterius is looking for a good fight and zag's all, let me see my mooooooom
oh we're in discussion is this a spoiler
flat vapor
yes probably
halcyon heron
So patch is Monday or Tuesday (americas)?
olive jungle
Tuesday
thin beacon
hardest decision in my life 
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550351196674588675/587178115394961430/unknown.png
olive jungle
always gotta take that npc room 😤
thin beacon
doin it for him 🙏
minor pecan
sometimes you just want some ham
regal pagoda
mer
minor pecan
o: judas, no
humble pulsar
always take the hammer ;-;
thats the worst choice though by far
having to choose between the 2 best rolls in elysium
red coral
Noooo take the NPC! The game will force you to get a hammer at some point but it won’t force you to say hello
thin beacon
👀 i picked npc room and get the hammer a few rooms after
regal pagoda
I always go with Duo Boons.
I think that they give a better powerspike than hammers, depending on rooms.
Also, the hammer is guaranteed to show up again later, the duo boon isn't.
wraith grove
just wondering, do 'trial of the gods' boons have increased rarity/quality? Or is the 'true reward' just that you get two boons at once?
olive jungle
As far as I know, there's no increase in rarity, no
pliant remnant
I suppose it depends on the odds that both gods offer the same boon. I've had one or two times when the best first boon was a sort-of-okay strike or dash that I immediately got to swap for a higher level one
wraith grove
interesting. Thanks lads
red coral
From #hades-faq-
Is Hades a multiplayer game, or are there any plans for multiplayer?
Hades is a single-player game. We have no plans to add multiplayer, as we have been building the design and narrative of Hades with a solo experience in mind.
bitter cape
ok ty
halcyon heron
I kinda wish there was an indicator if you're done with somebody's storyline.
I've found Sisyphus to be not that great compared to a boon.
vital belfry
I like Sisyphus in new saves because of the amount of darkness he throws your way. Helps bolster the mirror faster.
hexed smelt
i like money
vital belfry
Yeah the money's also really nice. And, time-wise, he's a really efficient room.
fiery pebble
Now I just imagine Sisyphus making it rain
regal pagoda
So.......Sisyphus is Meowth confirmed?
woeful lotus
if thats the case pat is definately james
bitter cape
soooo.. how can I save mid run? can I even continue a run or will it restart?
plucky dagger
You can quit the game after you clear a room, or when you enter a safe room such as a shop. The game should close without forfeiting the run and allow you to continue where you left off the next time you load your profile.
bitter cape
nice ty
lusty wasp
i think damage reduction stacking is a bit over the top atm - just managed to turn invulnerable towards the end of my last run 😃
weak+dionusus,athena and aphrodite damage reductions (and upgrades on them) really meant i could tank all hits from the bosses and take 0 damage
bitter cape
I think its fine, cause u need luck to pull it off
and its way more fun to get op in such kind of games
vital belfry
weak + achilles keepsake is pretty strong, and fairly easy to secure. Helps make stage 3 a breeze. Athena+Aphro is one of the strongest pairings in the game right now.
mint rivet
So how long is the game?
vapid drift
if you're good at it, anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes.
if you're a speedrunner, probably less than that.
mint rivet
How many areas?
mint rivet
Is theseus and cowboi the final boss?
safe spade
@mint rivet just make sure to pickup a skill that can damage theseus easily and you'll do fine
halcyon heron
This is why Greatshields should be removed from the game: If Hades REALLY wanted you to stop, he would just put these things in Tartarus, Asphodel, and by the time you got to Elysium (if you ever could) you'd just kill yourself because you don't want to fight these things anymore.
halcyon heron
I think he forgot about them, or doesn't know he has them?
I'm just expressing my hatred for these enemies. They're the only unfun thing to fight
chilly hare
man i can't wait for the twitch integration
rotund finch
While hades doesnt want Zagreus to escape he doesnt exactly hate him trying to, as I believe theres a conversation where he actually compliments you for your attempts and says how its helping to improve the underworld. It also I think gives Hades himself some hope as he even said he's tried to escape and failed...
flat vapor
i think those conversations are poking fun at the early access state of the game, and probably shouldn't be taken as canon
rotund finch
Maybe? But to me at least they felt real, neither of them took place like post run when the other more meta jokes took place I dont think...?
halcyon heron
I wish I could hear that one conversation after you first beat it. Zag: ||"Ongoing underworld renovations?" Hades: "Yes, ongoing underworld renovations."||
rotund finch
I really really hope somehow they fit that into the final game it's the best
olive jungle
If you've encountered a bug, please report it in-game using F10
chilly hare
ok thanks
I wish I knew that before because I ran into a handful 
might have them recorded, I had essentially enemies going out of bounds
did 3 75 heat runs in a row 
unborn bronze
Cool? Which build did you use?
tidal finch
I have finished every Megaera dialogue and now I'm very sad. Something is lacking in my life.
chilly hare
uhhh
I had a zues bow special, I forgot the other 2 at this point
oh and I had some shotgun build with zeus
where i had like 8 or 9 casts and crazy fast drop and dislodge damage
doing 100 heat run now 
with the no boon option aka you get random
chilly hare
Def not taking the -2 boon options again for a bit
overwote my own choices like 2 times
regal pagoda
Had a bow run with 3 duo boons. Hunting Blades, Sea Storm and whatever the Duo Boon between Artemis and Zeus is called.
It clearly took that much to get a 12 HP no second chances left victory out of that run.
hexed smelt
freak accident
zealous lodge
Will Hades have a Female protagonist ever?
regal pagoda
That sounds like a weird thing to ask.
What do you mean by Priotagonist
another person than Zagreus who tries to run out of hell and is played by us who happens to be a female?
hollow merlin
I'm guessing he means playable charecter
Like a gender option
I doubt it, considering the amount fo work it would take
red coral
Dusa is the real protagonist
hollow merlin
:this:
regal pagoda
Dusa will make a run for it after Zagreus made it to follow her love.
zealous lodge
Ah ok, and yeah i ment more like a female playable character. Thankyou for the reply @hollow merlin and @regal pagoda
regal pagoda
Haha, that was a funny one
Most dungeoncrawlers create different characters by, well, having different characters
Hades does it with weapons
so I don't quite see the need to add more protags
hollow merlin
I wish it was done (I like playing as a female, sue me) but that sounds like a feature that would have to be in from day one
regal pagoda
Also, as has been said, the sheer amount of voice work that needed to be done for that would be ridiculous
hollow merlin
Considering stuff like voice lines, art, etc.
hexed smelt
there are 2,862 voice files for zagreus
zealous lodge
Yeah i think i just worded it wrong, i havent bought it yet but im about too and was just hoping it did
regal pagoda
I am much more interested in who exactly the Narrator is
hexed smelt
yes really
zealous lodge
Also have not seen any gameplay cause i wanted to go in blind XD
hexed smelt
fringe ivy
Considering Korb is still composing and singing, thats insane
hexed smelt
(the two folders are because zag's lines are split between Field and Home)
hollow merlin
Well then, yeah I highly doubt a female option will ever happen
neat pumice
Mythologically, there's beings that would make sense -- I'd favor Melinoë, daughter of Persephone and Hades in the Orphic tradition, a terrifying multi-aspect lunar witch-goddess born of Persephone's fury toward Hades and all his enablers -- but yeah it'd be utterly cost-prohibitive and exceedingly unlikely to happen because there's basically zero narrative assets that could be reused for someone other than Zag.
hexed smelt
Sometimes Fixed Protagonists Good, Actually,
neat pumice
Hahaha, right
hollow merlin
Fixed protags are great but man I love character creation
Even gender options are good enough
But man I love Hades so s'all good for me
neat pumice
(it's not just the terrifying quantity of Zagreus dialogue and vocal work, too -- I'd wager less than one in five of everyone else's lines would be applicable to just a character with a different name and gender, let alone one with a different personality)
long bluff
whats the point of character creation outside of the rpg genre?
neat pumice
The same point as inside.
long bluff
which is?
neat pumice
People enjoy it and subsequently enjoy playing as the resultant character.
long bluff
cool
neat pumice
Yep.
rigid grotto
Xcom 2’s character creator made your mistakes more painful because when you messed up one of your friends would get shot
trail valley
Any news on when the update will arrive tomorrow?
rigid grotto
Nope
regal pagoda
Hopefully not while I'm out there working tomorrow.
I want to be here when it hits.
livid cargo
i don't work at SGG, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the update will launch a little before 12 PST tomorrow
hexed smelt
you can hazard as many guesses as you like but there's still no way of guaranteeing when it'll be out. the update will drop once they're ready to do it
livid cargo
yeah, im just going off of prior update release times
hollow merlin
Just be excited it's so close tbh 
hollow merlin
ikr 
hollow merlin
If so, I bow down to their skill
regal pagoda
@flat notch In my opinion, everyone going for 120-200 heat runs is basically going for a no-hit run
regal pagoda
As soon as you got that extra 500% damage on your enemies, you don't want to get hit at all because most enemies will one shot.
Wretches hitting you for 10 health regularly suddenly slug you for 60 while most 200 heat runs leave you with 50 base health.
Even if the first hit you receive is not from a Wretch but maybe something like a numbskull
almost every hit after that will take your life.
flat notch
That was near enough my thoughts on a no hit run, I did +500 for my 60 heat run and boy oh boy
Elysium was actually difficult
regal pagoda
(Also, the only way to regain health are centaur hearts, chaos boons and ambrosia bottles with Dionysus)
Spearguys hit for 15 regularly if memory serves
flat notch
They hit for like 70 in +500
regal pagoda
so yeah, that can be 50 to 100% of your healthbar being gone for at that point
flat notch
Like they're insane enough already
regal pagoda
200 runs really are sheer insanity.
Everything hits harder, faster, everything you do and have is diminished and you are absolutely tied down to RNG when it comes to god boons
flat notch
Is 200 the max?
regal pagoda
The current maximum, yes.
200 Heat Run demands perfect play as well as good luck with boons and full understanding over how the game works.
185 I imagine to be much simpler because that way, you only need skill and understanding.
vale kite
i have beaten the game once with 120 heat and that was before elysium came around
never again
flat notch
120 heat sounds so stressful, I think around 50 is a good challenge
livid cargo
sgg games normally have a wide variety of difficulty and hades doesnt change that
maybe as a 200 heat reward zag gets to have some nemean chariots in his room as pets 
flat notch
You have a split second as they're crouching to wait, then when they're flashing they make the jump
If you dash before they flash, they lock on to where you end the jump and deal damage in an AOE where they land, which by pure painfulness
livid cargo
my strategy in elysium is to keep as much distance as possible
livid cargo
you are given a lot of room to work with
flat notch
Elysium favours people who invested in cast more than anything else
And sometimes special depending on the weapon
hollow finch
is elysium the final boss at this point in the game? and then at a future date the next one will be last?
flat notch
Oh and never do a treasure trove in Elysium, those things are liable to spawnw greatshields, so it's not worth it for like the 50 extra gold
hollow finch
that was so hard, fighting two at once
flat notch
@hollow finch Yes, they plan on adding one more area as far as I know
flat notch
Check out the roadmap next time you boot up the game, it talks about the Minimum amount of things they want for year end next year
hollow finch
and was worried i'd never find out the end to the story
yeah, that's where i got my information from
i wasn't sure if that meant the elysium was the lsat one at the moment
flat notch
It was only added recently, so I wouldn't expect another area for at least a few months I think
Plus story comes after all the gameplay I think
For obvious reasons
sullen nebula
https://i.gyazo.com/fe5a6c11c5833c9d571f2d903dd066e8.png
Dude, they got the adamant rail on e3
hollow finch
is that from the 80s
past sluice
@sullen nebula Now that's a one weird gryphon.
hidden sonnet
any idea as to the time of the release of the update (preferably in GMT+1 please haha)
hexed smelt
none!
hidden sonnet
ah ok
hollow merlin
Is somebody counting how many times this question has been asked? 
sterile peak
who would win
when is the update?
versus
will it release on steam?
vale kite
when is the steam update
hexed smelt
vale kite
my power
still badge
is the update today or tomorrow ?
hexed smelt
tomorrow
still badge
thanks
past sluice
Ah, @still badge is a Chosen One. They actually asked a sensible question about when is the update.
Also - @still badge, for future reference, it seems #announcements is keeping update teasers with release date for every update, so you don't have to count on the main channel not to be too empty or too busy.
radiant tangle
Got out of school to an @, was worried I missed the patch dropping
sick gulch
I'm hoping this update is Hermes. Any guesses what his upgrades will be? Probably speed effects maybe slow enemies or speed himself? Or ability cool downs shortned would be cool
sturdy palm
Is Hades on steam ?
hollow merlin
It is not, epic store only afaik.
I'm also hoping Hermes, @ gum, Speeeeeeeeeeeeed :D
sturdy palm
ahhh shucks game looks so good
still badge
hey i got an important question. i got an op run and i killed theseus. the question i have is, if i save now can i continue after the update?
hexed smelt
no, because elysium is the latest area for now
short plover
Isn't it about time these guys leave alpha and join Steam?
placid spindle
The feather on the helmet is a symbol of hermes
teal dagger
Hi guys, quick question
Does entering a Chaos gate mean that you give up on the rewards of the next chambers and are assigned a new random one?
vapid drift
yes.
teal dagger
Damn that means giving up a lot just to get those Chaos boons
hollow merlin
yeah but chaos boons can be wild
vapid drift
+165% gold gain... is actually really strong.
hollow merlin
gold too
vale kite
did you mean they can be chaotic
hollow merlin
especially the ones that can give bonus darkness. get an epic +%darkness in the first room and you're golden
I got about ~1000 darkness is one of my first ~10 runs and was able to max so many things early on
teal dagger
Yeah ikr I had an epic +darkness in my fist Theseus clear and I still didn't make enough keys to spend it all
astral lagoon
we're bringing backthe old rules the more you ask abt the update the further back its pushed
teal dagger
But I just lost the door to the exact god I was looking for because of Chaos and that's how I noticed you might loose good rewards
hollow merlin
Yeah having a huge darkness% bonus means you get a ton from theo&mino, I just had a run today where I got 553 darkness from it.
brisk trail
Hi guys, patch note tonight or tomorow ?
sterile peak
patch notes when it releases, so tomorrow
sullen nebula
I'd expect it to release in like 20-24 hours
topaz lake
is update live?
paper peak
no
topaz lake
yea sorry i thought it was today
quartz mirage
olive jungle
well since this is greece and not rome, probably hermes 😛 but it seems likely!
prisma wind
Good ol' Greece Lightning seems to be the common assumption. SG left some pretty blatant hints in their Twitter post
jaunty tendon
patch coming up today?
prisma wind
Tomorrow (with respect to the Pacific timezone)
odd river
oh it's already 10 a.m. on 11st June where i am😋
prisma wind
We're probably still about 18 hours give or take from the patch release
tropic ore
yep - I called in sick from work today - let's drop that patch waits
prisma wind
I mean, as long as you were going to be working in 18 hours?
jaunty tendon
Go go, can’t wait 😃
glossy geyser
oh god I just beat my first run on 60 heat with one hit worth of health left
my hands are actually shaking
and on the same run I acquired my 120th heat
glossy geyser
bow
athena shot + artemis dash + dual shot + explsoive arrows = death
...if the enemies in Eleysium will ever slow down enough for me to get off a charged shot
odd river
athena shot ?deflect?
glossy geyser
yeah
I had the athena boon that increases the damage of attacks that can deflect
as well
so both together gave like +100% and explosive arrow gives +300% right? and then dual shot doubles that
and dash attacks had an extra 50%
So in the end, I kind of just got lucky with my boons
but thats how rougelikes are sometimes, I suppose
jolly lodge
you also need to use your luck correctly even if you get something like that by lucky, so it's both luck and skill
pliant remnant
Maybe they're just spelling Rouge correctly
pliant remnant
Never apologize for being a Rouge the Bat fan
hexed smelt
@fossil basin Please don’t try and dodge Proxy’s censor.
alpine silo
Any news on the next patch?
alpine silo
When will it go live?
olive jungle
There's never a set time
alpine silo
Okay
chilly hare
is it time now?
tropic ore
ANY SECOND NOW!
olive jungle
Guys it's at least 12 hours away
jaunty tendon
Waited whole day lol please
patent magnet
i think it too with the helm and scepter
hexed lynx
Yay patch and bday at the same time!
odd river
wait whole day the same 😉
hexed lynx
Gonna get to stream some Hades today for it
odd river
already 6 p.m where i am
olive jungle
almost like time zones exist!
hidden sonnet
time zones are a construct by the illuminati
olive jungle
it's 7 pm where i am lol. i'm gonna go to bed early and maybe get an hour of gaming in in the morning before work
wooden condor
is there a strict time frame which they usually update or is it near-random during the day?
do the updates**
wooden condor
i see guess we have around 4-6 hours to go then
alpine silo
Do you think we are going to get new weapon this patch?
tidal finch
I don't think so.
rigid grotto
We might
alpine silo
How many weapon are there going to be once the game is complete?
rigid grotto
Idk but if you click on the update countdown it should give you a roadmap that tells you their goal
wanton hare
Hermes update Pog
rigid grotto
what if its just a weapon but they use optical illusions to make it in the shape of a god
wanton hare
If it’s a weapon I hope we can use it
silk iris
how about hybrid of ranged and melee? like spear?
rigid grotto
I kind of hope its melee just bc the melee combat feels smother
silk iris
but with base of range and special being melee
rigid grotto
mby the normal attack could be ranged while the special is melee
wanton hare
Spear imo doesn’t count as ranged
rigid grotto
special has about the range of bow
silk iris
well "ranged" you know what we mean... special is ranged
wanton hare
I would not mind some good ol gauntlets
rigid grotto
or just fists
silk iris
btw... in one vid about creating hades they were talking about some weapon based on moving around..
wanton hare
Just fists is a bit of a stretch
silk iris
not sure if they scraped it or not
vale kite
all weapons are based on moving around, in some way
rigid grotto
zags like "Achilles you said that you were putting a new weapon outside my chamber, but the space is empty"
and Achilles is like "Zag,YOU must become the weapon"
silk iris
but it was before releasing rail so Im not really sure if it did not become base of it
so you will become Jackie Chen?
rigid grotto
oh yea
silk iris
i know how its called in our language but not sure how to translate
wanton hare
Lmao watch the next weapon just be a bigger gun
tepid flax
someone on reddit pointed out, that next weapon will be probably a full melee
wanton hare
All melee would legit suck
tepid flax
like, we have 2 mixed, 2 full range and only one full melee
wanton hare
If you mean melee like sword then maybe but it would be tough
tepid flax
Well sword is op, so, who knows
wanton hare
All bosses aside from Meg and Mino kinda punish you for being close
rigid grotto
also, asphodel
tepid flax
@wanton hare use athena and wreck things up without a sweat
wanton hare
Eh but that makes like a must have boon I doubt devs would like that
tepid flax
athena on special and dash, and hammer upgrade on special
wanton hare
Oh you mean on sword Rn? Or do you mean for new weapon?
tepid flax
i sure there is another ways to make sword work
silk iris
ive let friend of mine try the game... his second try went with sword and he finished it all with Theseus and Asterius with basicaly single button
tepid flax
@wanton hare right now, yes
tepid flax
heh
wanton hare
It just feels like nothing deals enough damage without full commitment
rigid grotto
well then just commit
whole thunder
Crit builds on sword with artemis and hammer upgraded dash attack is also pretty nuts with hunter dash
wanton hare
Yeah but it feels better with Bow
whole thunder
even more so if you get expose from athena and duo boon
wanton hare
Double Shot, Perfect Shot, Crit build will one shot armored enemies
silk iris
athena for special tons of stacked when hit "attacks" and two hammes one for larger range of special and second for way faster special cast... he just jumped in middle of enemies and trashed everyone
tepid flax
@whole thunder tried this, but theseus punished me so hard D:
tidal finch
sword is fine even at high heat where you can't choose your boon upgrades
wanton hare
That I agree with
Sword is consistent
I just don’t like it when I’m having a chill run
tepid flax
@silk iris yeah, this is how i used sword, so op, that at final fight i was looking at my phone half of the time
fair enough
wanton hare
Final fight hurts cause I can’t update the game till my vacation ends and it’s on the version with their health Pre nerf
tepid flax
also, @wanton hare , how you make bow work? The only weapon that i "don't understand" and can't get around
wanton hare
@tepid flax Bow is the most like, hit and run weapon in the game
Dash Attack lets you shoot faster so if you spam that and get a decent special you’ll be fine
rotund valve
where can i post buggs? xD
wanton hare
Athena, Poseidon or Aphrodite are my usual picks
dry sparrow
the issue with the bow for me is just how it keeps you from moving for so long with both of its abilties
its not actually that long but it feels like forever
and makes it really difficult to dodge with for me
tepid flax
+1
wanton hare
And like I said Hit and Run, you don’t wanna go for either one unless you know you can get the shot
dry sparrow
at whatever charge you were at when you dashed
so yeah you can dash but it cancels your shot
wanton hare
Health > Damage on enemies
wanton hare
I miss simpler times, back when Helicopter Spear was broken
wanton hare
No matter how often I pull out gun and build it for single slug
dry sparrow
cause I basically never power shot anyway cause its really difficult to time and its like 10 extra damage
wanton hare
I never get the upgrade
dry sparrow
I love single slug
rigid grotto
To post bugs hit f10 in game
dry sparrow
its great
rigid grotto
@rotund valve
wanton hare
Power Shot is scales with all percentage bonus damage
tepid flax
but you will never hit it in final fight
wanton hare
Ik but like bow is my crutch weapon atm
dry sparrow
I prefer not having the downtime of charging shots tbh
hence why I like single slug because you fire and can almost immediatly move again
tepid flax
and it outperform even power shot of bow
rigid grotto
shield is the best weapon ever
kindred lintel
I feel like sword is the best actually
dry sparrow
shield is really powerful but I don't particularly like it, especially the hammer upgrades
rigid grotto
sudden rush
tepid flax
@rigid grotto your recipe on shield? Explosion on return?
wanton hare
One shotting those pesky souls is so nice
rigid grotto
SUDDEN RUSH
silk iris
shield is basicaly easy mode for Theseus and Asterius... its block can stop anything
wanton hare
Shield’s utility just makes it good
kindred lintel
pref dash attack with shield
rigid grotto
im also insane so
dry sparrow
the shield blocking damage is just so powerful
wanton hare
Rightfully so tho
rigid grotto
shield is great for final area and boss
dry sparrow
even without that tbh I still think it would be fine
wanton hare
Can’t block behind you, can’t move while you block and you have to commit to the dash after
dry sparrow
obviously not nearly as good as most other weapons
wanton hare
It’s a skillful interaction
tepid flax
but... athena do the same?
kindred lintel
Titan toppler seems abit op now with this dash no?
rigid grotto
you can change block direction and you get invincibility during rush
wanton hare
Ah but Athena makes me use more than my 3 brain cells
dry sparrow
what Ichoren said
wanton hare
I forgot about invul rush change
dry sparrow
and you can spin around to block damage from any direction you need to
wanton hare
But not all directions you get me?
dry sparrow
yeah not all directions at once
rigid grotto
if you are fast enough 😉
rigid grotto
with kbm
kindred lintel
patch waiting room
wanton hare
dry sparrow
idk spear is probably my favorite weapon just cause I like how fast it feels
wanton hare
We have an emote for that >:|
dry sparrow
especially with like flurry jab
tepid flax
🇭 🇾 🇵 🇪
kindred lintel
Ah sry
hollow merlin
Same with sword
wanton hare
Bring back when Spear spin could Crit
hollow merlin
sword is bae
dry sparrow
I don't like base rail but with either infinity chamber or slug shot I love it
rigid grotto
it can still crit I think
whole thunder
doesn't attack crit upgrade from artemis still allow for spin crit?
dry sparrow
bow is fun with the right hammers
rigid grotto
just no backstab
whole thunder
pretty sure i had that in a run
wanton hare
Nope
whole thunder
ah, must of just been high backstab bonus then
wanton hare
It used to Crit and get backstab
whole thunder
had expose
wanton hare
Idk Spear spin build is balanced now
rigid grotto
it deff cant backstab anymore
kindred lintel
I feel like flurry blades sword and crit dash artemis dash attack/attack, athena on special. something like this is my optimal build
whole thunder
you still kind of can
if you get the hammer upgrades on spin you can still spin 2 win pretty easily with a good attack upgrade
wanton hare
All you needed was Artemis dash, back when it gave guaranteed crits and any % attack boon
You can but it’s not as good or as brainless
Spin to win doesn’t insta clear the room
rigid grotto
that build was so fun
wanton hare
It was but for the sake of the game it really did need a nerf
whole thunder
yeah, I'm still fine with where it's at
rigid grotto
hunters dash in general needed a nerf
kindred lintel
@whole thunder Spear spin is to slow on higher heat unless you get fast spin in first level. Even then it might be hard cause there is a decent castime on it
whole thunder
oh on high heat runs for sure
rigid grotto
like with all weapons it was the best hands down
whole thunder
I'm talking just for general runs, low-heat or none
kindred lintel
yeah
wanton hare
Hunters dash now is better imo
kindred lintel
how do you guys feel about sword?
whole thunder
depends on weapon for hunters dash now
kindred lintel
I really dislike the adamant rail unfortunately, feels clunky
wanton hare
Means you can stack it with Arti Attack for 2 entirely different attack bonuses
whole thunder
great for bow, sword, shield
wanton hare
Especially bow and sword
rigid grotto
old hunters dash gave 100% crit chance after dashing
wanton hare
New dash gives 100% bonus damage on dash attack
kindred lintel
well I think they did such a good job balancing Artemis boons from what it was on release
wanton hare
It’s the same bonus
But it means you can’t abuse Crit
Like Armor breaking boon or bonus Crit boon
kindred lintel
you can still abuse crit tho if you spam artemis
lusty wasp
crit is +200%, this +100%
wanton hare
Yeah but that’s intentional and takes like all your boobs
kindred lintel
they added the debuff on crits so if you crit once you are basically guaranteed to crit after
wanton hare
Old Crit used to be double right?
rigid grotto
yea
kindred lintel
now its triple
wanton hare
Yeah so from before there’s no change and for Artemis builds overall it was a net gain
Just takes longer to ramp up
lusty wasp
and you can use artemis attacks with it now
kindred lintel
Yeah thats what I meant earlier, they did a good job re-balancing it
wanton hare
That’s what I mean
empty lion
arti dash with sword feels like a noob playing Dante with rebellion- yee-ya! yee-ya! yee-ya!
kindred lintel
so your not just insta op with 1 attack artemis
wanton hare
Lol
lusty wasp
seems strange that they would have artemis only really work with other gods
wanton hare
Rail with Zeus attack was funny before they nerfed it
lusty wasp
before i mean
rigid grotto
I disagree bc you you could use it to get crits on things other then dash attack with higher base dmg (bull rush, spear spin, etc)
paper walrus
wakes up- runs to computer excited Next Update "Soon" 😦
rigid grotto
?
not with a dash boon
remember old arti attack wasn't a dmg buff it was only a crit chance
wanton hare
I’m probably missing something
alpine stratus
sera its still like 5am for giants! let em wake up, etc,
rigid grotto
its fine to have opinions, you have a valid position
paper walrus
Dammit! Tell them to be English 😄
alpine stratus
HXKFKFNCJ OKAY
wanton hare
But they are
alpine stratus
be english
wanton hare
The COLONIES ENGLISH
paper walrus
True but the colonies influence has been waning of late
alpine stratus
wrow ur posting in 1775????
paper walrus
My opium package even arrived late. Truly harrowing times we live in
alpine stratus
jdmxmcmcncnc
paper walrus
So whats the fastest run anyones gotton out the game so far? Or their general "how the hell did that happen" moments
rigid grotto
record is around 7 min
lusty wasp
but that is bug abusing so hard
rigid grotto
glitch less is like 12
paper walrus
looks at 25 minutes and shuffles it out the door
rigid grotto
yea but you prob dont reset for seeds
paper walrus
takes pride crown back
rigid grotto
👍
paper walrus
Nope, wheres the fun if ya do that
lusty wasp
i mean not just reset for seed or using that fated authority thing
paper walrus
I figured on a golden run I could get like 18
rigid grotto
its a different kind of fun
paper walrus
Fated authority 😛 the one use pile of meh 😛
lusty wasp
like the huge preparation to just instakill everything for the speedrun
paper walrus
I am assuming most people use it to re-roll boons?
whole thunder
i've gotten around 19 with hunting blades duo and a bunch of slicing shot upgrades on no-head run, melts things
rigid grotto
reset for a hammer start and an amazing chaos boon
lusty wasp
could just use a trainer instead and would effectively be the same
whole thunder
no-heat*
paper walrus
Yeah, I know thats what get my gamer blood boiling... planning
rigid grotto
planning can be fun just look at the long dark
lusty wasp
with the fated authority thing i mean using it while going through a door to glitch stuff a bit
paper walrus
I got through my first and only 60 heat run with double darkness essence chaos boons...
I dunno any of the glitches so fair enough
rigid grotto
sweet
paper walrus
But yeah the 2.2k essence on a 60 heat run is about as impressive as my runs get
rigid grotto
60 is no small feat
paper walrus
Shield plus athena giving me extra life on death defy saved my ass so hard
Especially with no solid chaos boons 😛 or any boons really
I walked in just assuming my ass was brownbread
rigid grotto
brownbread?
whole thunder
60 I got with spear special crit build, just barely though, was on last life when I beat theseus
120 I only managed when I stumbled upon a glitch, had to look up after what actually happened
made it a bit of a hallow victory
lusty wasp
and why did he disappear immediately again? 😄
paper walrus
Oh of corse "Co kney rhyming slang for dead"
Fill in the missing completely valid letter
alpine stratus
hahahaaaa proxy gotcha
vale kite
a perfect landing gives you +0.00000666 hp due to you not breaking your leg
vale kite
no
vale kite
doubt it but the full entry is on the wiki
rigid grotto
perfect landing changes the rng seed
paper walrus
I feel like one of the Devs was having fun monkeying around with the wiki 😛
vale kite
actually i lied
this update introduces fall damage, which makes it necessary to land a perfect landing, otherwise you die
i mean your room's gotta be pretty high above ground
paper walrus
True
alpine stratus
wow sparrow its so cool ur a dev
lusty wasp
how does it compare to the heat rooms? - jumping down there should have the same interaction?
alpine stratus
(u can thank sparrow for A Lot of wiki work 
)
vale kite
yeah each time you jump out of your room/into a chaos or erebus gate there's a qte
failing the qte ends your run
take note supergiant games
lusty wasp
maybe also include that as a mechanic for phase changes with the next boss? 😃
vale kite
sdjfhj i have another terrible idea
hunger mechanic where you have to eat food regularly or you die
alpine stratus
vale kite
if you cant find a sandwich at charon's or in a pot in 5 minutes you die of hunger
rigid grotto
taking dmg in ebiris so you get the union to stay alive
vale kite
all of those "modifiers" i suggested are available in the upcoming Pact of Crack
vale kite
nah it has to be actual food
lusty wasp
hmm - maybe also include overeating in the hunger mechanic
paper walrus
Ambrosia is actual food 😛
paper walrus
Dont forget the realistic heat effects in asphodel
Where convection instantly melts you into a pile of boiling goop
vale kite
complete asphodel under 10 minutes or you die from the extreme heat
vale kite
in elysium your vision is obscured the more time you spend there bc of the fog
or the fog becomes more and more dense the longer you stay in elysium
olive jungle
zag starts gradually forgetting skills, thanks lethe
vale kite
cherry on the cake is the theseus/asterius fight but you cant see beyond 3 meters
it's just fog
what else can we have
pots explode when they're broken
waxen maple
what time is the damn update!!! I cant wait
rigid grotto
soon (tm)
vale kite
id say 7-8 hours from now
waxen maple
we neeeeed it!
vale kite
the last updates were released mostly at that time of the day
hollow merlin
200 heat
I bow down to your skill, my good sir.
rigid grotto
slowly trying to work my way to a won run
vale kite
elysium is going to obliterate you
rigid grotto
but I would actually recommend people try putting on a ton of heat for a bit, breaths new life into tart
hollow merlin
more so Asphodel 
rigid grotto
oh yea
rigid grotto
normally it would be much easier to use the bow, but I know that if I to that I have acutely 0% chance against final boss
rigid grotto
about 4 yae
dry sparrow
like you can take a hit in tartarus maybe but the enemies in elysium and tartarus will oneshot you without like a ton of max health
at least some of em will
rigid grotto
traps and mine pots dont deal increased dmg
vale kite
enjoy asterius and his 90-damage axe swings
dry sparrow
theseus and the minoutaur will 100% oneshot you
so you basically have to perfect that fight
rigid grotto
louts hit for like 72
dry sparrow
yeah
like I said, you basically have to perfect the game
I'm never gonna be able to do that
rigid grotto
that run required me to basically perfect the first segment
rigid grotto
sudden rush invlun
dry sparrow
cause you're going to be perfecting it anyway
yeah shield is 100% going to be the best weapon
that or like bow or rail
sword and spear is way to easy to take damage
whole thunder
athena sword special with hammer upgrades on special is fairly safe, but otherwise yeah
dry sparrow
all you need to do is somehow luck into hunting blades
rigid grotto
I love that upgrade lol
dry sparrow
the chances are tiny with the thing that locks off most choices but
if you get lucky enough
hollow merlin
Also gotta keep in mind Hunting Blades is probs getting a big nerf hammer in today's update
dry sparrow
yeah probably
rigid grotto
if you find a seed you like you can click give up before you die and usually get the same early boons
first one is guaranteed to be the same
trail helm
I hope Ares is getting a rework entirely today and not just nerfs
rigid grotto
I expect buffs to non bladerift things
trail helm
I figured we'd see patch notes before the patch. Do they usually post them after?
olive jungle
Yes
hexed smelt
patch notes go up when the patch does
shadow trellis
I certainly hope hunting blades doesn't get a nerf. It is overpowered, but it does make a the very rare hunting blade run fun.
hollow merlin
"very rare" (X) Doubt
shadow trellis
I don't know. I have only picked it up twice and I have been specifically looking for it by taking blood vial and arrow head for about 40 runs.
hollow merlin
Whenever I've aimed for it I've gotten it about 1 in 4 times
shadow trellis
Yeah at that rate is would need a nerf
proper wing
anyway to know when the update comes today?
alpine stratus
the patch usually drops at around noon at pst! thats in about 5-6 hours!
mellow karma
Noob here
Where can I get a guide to the game
Basic and advance guide
rigid grotto
Hypnos
mellow karma
???
rigid grotto
joke
the main draw of rougelike games is that there isn't really a correct way to play them
just dont be afraid to die and try to get a bit farther every run
mellow karma
I'm referring to stuff
like how pact of punishment works
What should I invest on the mirror of darkness
What boons go well together
vapid drift
pact of punishment is for when you think the game is too easy.
regal pagoda
Any word for when it's Update time?
pale frigate
try the wiki, but in general - every combination works and can win
pale frigate
do try to invest in additional dodge, hp, healing when advancing rooms in the beginning
poseidon and athena are great for damage
full-on ares blade rifts can turn rooms into meat grinders
artemis = crits = stupid high damage, but only sometimes
mellow karma
@vapid drift I thought it's a way to farm darkness
hexed smelt
no, the pact is for making the game harder
pale frigate
it is, but when you're stronger
vapid drift
it really isn't
pale frigate
well..it is, but not worth it xD
hexed smelt
the darkness thing is just a side benefit because people didn't like that it didn't give a reward besides, y'know, added difficulty
vapid drift
it's a really large difficulty jump - it's pretty much literally for making the game harder.
hexed smelt
that's because it IS for making the game harder
mellow karma
Oh never knew that
hexed smelt
that's the entire point of it!
mellow karma
I just use it to farm
pale frigate
and the sick gifts from Skelly
twilit atlas
are patch notes out yet?
hexed smelt
no
pale frigate
nah, they go out with the patch
mellow karma
@pale frigate who's skelly
hexed smelt
they've never released patch notes prior to the patch actually going up
twilit atlas
worddd
astral lagoon
i gotta change my nickname but idk the update name yet
tepid yacht
👀 we will all know soon enough
pale frigate
lol
astral lagoon
mmh
alpine stratus
need for spyd
astral lagoon
i might settle at just syd loves hermes like i did for thanatos
mellow karma
How high does weapon damage go
astral lagoon
or i might go back to syd loves thanatos
pale frigate
syd loves wings?
hexed smelt
very
analog ridge
When is update guys? :(
mellow karma
I'll turn of pact till I get the hang of the game
analog ridge
Tired to wait patch. So sad
mellow karma
Oh and what type of keep sakes do I level up
hexed smelt
whichever ones you like best
hexed smelt
smart
mellow karma
Thanks you guys are helpful
vapid drift
it's a good starter keepsake! makes it easier to learn.
thin beacon
i like to use the egg lately
mellow karma
@vapid drift what keep sake
thin beacon
egg for the trying times 😔
vapid drift
the collar.
fiery pebble
God keepsakes are good because you can ensure one good upgrade for the run
pale frigate
cerberus is great for the beginning, gods are good for tailoring runs, than's is OP
fiery pebble
Well, kinda
I just like it because you really want Zeus on Rail for example
Otherwise, Pierced butterfly, Distant Memory and Skull Earring are the 3 damage options for the last biome
fiery pebble
And if you get the one-shot upgrade its Athenas time to shine
pale frigate
Yeah, I know. But it is fun 😛
fiery pebble
Its actually not that hard to use once you learn the game a bit
pale frigate
Like "you're already dead.."
fiery pebble
Getting every room in tartarus and most in Asphodel are fairly easy
Elysium is tricky, however
fiery pebble
It becomes more obvious that its possible once you do a "enemies do 600% damage" run
pale frigate
stick to it, try out different boons
fiery pebble
Shield is pretty good with the bull rush, yeah
mellow karma
Ok
fiery pebble
Though Bow has safety in range and ludicrous damage
mellow karma
Will experiment
I'm curious how useful is the fateful authority stat
I'm broke so I can't try it out
pale frigate
Sword can also do lots, especially with world splitter and empowering nova
fiery pebble
The reroll?
vapid drift
fated is a darkness sink - it's only useful way later-game
pale frigate
It's sometimes very useful in Elysium, when you NEED that HP/hammer or w/e
fiery pebble
Its alright
vapid drift
wayyyyyy later
hexed smelt
fateful authority should be the last thing you invest in
pale frigate
but yeah, dont invest in it until later
hexed smelt
it's very, very expensive
if you take fated authority, olympian favor and god's pride out of the equation, upgrading everything on the mirror takes 2250 darkness
olympian favor and god's pride each take 2500 to max out
fated authority starts at 1000 for one rank and only goes up from there
mellow karma
Olympian favor or gods pride which do I invest in
inland steeple
guys do we know when the patch is going out?
halcyon heron
Within the next 24 hours!
inland steeple
Cool, thanks!
hexed smelt
points at name
mellow karma
Who is guessing the new weapon