Needs a whole lot work.
#h1-discussion
prime shuttle
tidal geyser
What's with enemies suddenly having two lifebars, is it just far enough level progression?
cedar moss
I find it neat the be part of this. The other early access game I played was Fantasy Strike, and that was cool to see change over time.
forest hollow
@tidal geyser like "elites" in roguelikes
but when that yellow bar is gone they're normal enemies
steady sinew
so hydra is last boss?
tidal geyser
Is it considered armor
steady sinew
i just beat it and there is nothing more
forest hollow
yes so far as i see
as an answer to both
but @steady sinew as you know more to come etc
steady sinew
yeah its early access i axpected that
forest hollow
im still banging my head agianst meg 😄
steady sinew
go for shield its really good
steady sinew
ill try to beat it with spear now
forest hollow
i like using spear
surreal nest
Enemy spawned in the wall now
forest hollow
its quite long range
surreal nest
T_T
forest hollow
i had a chest spawn die because it counted down to 0 with no mobs left
i ran around for ages 😄
steady sinew
haha
surreal nest
And yet it’s attack hit me ,_, just now
surreal nest
I’m having an unlucky night
steady sinew
anyway good luck vs meg u got this @forest hollow
forest hollow
@steady sinew yes 💪
slow ravine
I once knocked an enemy into one of the platform-boat-things in the 2nd half, was impossible to hit
Thankfully it had low HP and died to chain lightning
surreal nest
Meg is pretty easy once you get the hang of her
surreal nest
I don’t like the sword’s upgrades
Well the 1 attack and faster attack speed but no 3rd attack
olive jungle
furthest reached: 16 out of 27 siiiigh
peak berry
had to pick between ares and zues
picked zues, was on zone 2 i died. man zone 2 is tough
slow ravine
There's a bit of strategy to it. For instance, you may not want to choose an upgrade for your favourite ability if it's common quality or if there's a different one you need, since you can only have 1 upgrade of each type (attack, special, magic, dash).
carmine fog
Hey, so I just bought and installed hades and I was curious if there's any way to play with a controller at the moment?
peak berry
are blood gates worth it
slow ravine
You can use a controller. I've been playing with an xbox controller.
faint zenith
i think the game support xbox controller already
neat musk
I am playing with a controller
carmine fog
oh shoot this is on the epic launcher so it doesnt natively support switch pro controller like how steam does
;-;
faint zenith
are we authorized to stream hades ?
stiff trellis
Faq, my friend
neat musk
Honestly I tend to forget I can do more than one move on the character and just stick to one thing per weapon
patent epoch
why not willouu?
neat musk
The bow I used the least
faint zenith
dont know, i prefere to ask xD
olive jungle
@faint zenith yes you are
peak berry
i dont get what the blood gates are for never get anything good out of them
olive jungle
Streaming is totally fine
faint zenith
ok thx @olive jungle
peak berry
hm saw that a lil bit with the life thing how much do you spec into life at gates?
stiff trellis
If you put your spear on a spike trap do they still appear when you step on it?
oblique ivy
ashley barret is only in the credits as a special thanks. she's in the game right???
faint zenith
ah yeah the stream answer is in the FAQ in discord, but not on the website one ^^
stiff trellis
I've been meaning to ask
Are the reused sound effects from pyre placeholders?
At least I'm pretty sure they're reused from pyre
gaunt ridge
from what I saw in gameplay vids a lot of things are placeholder
stiff trellis
Ok
gaunt ridge
like Nyx still use generic hooded NPC art atm
stiff trellis
Ah, of course
I just kind of assumed that she just wore her hood all the time
Why did I not remember that placeholders were a thing until now
hallow river
im hella looking forward to what the finalised designs for those characters is gonna end up being 👀
stiff trellis
I'm looking forward to the sound design when it updates
hallow river
arty especially
dense torrent
Wasn't there an Artemis character art in the trailer?
hallow river
👀
naww i don't think there was, unless it's a different video you're talking about? i only see ath/pos/aphro + meg
peak berry
yo spear not bad especially with pos lil knock back to it
stiff trellis
The spear's actually better without it due to its strength as a stunlock tool
Also the knockback goes at weird angles for me
peak berry
i like it with it cause it gets everyone away and knocked back into the wall
stiff trellis
That's true
peak berry
plus its funny seeing everyone just fly back lol
like the biggest dont get near me stick
hollow heron
Imo pos knockback on spear is real bad
Because you've got the stunlock
And I'd rather have that than have to chase enemies I've already manuvered into position
stiff trellis
If you've got some special boosts it might be good though
peak berry
probably but got lil armor penetration too working out well
for me the armor fatties it helps just get them away, idk they give me trouble
stiff trellis
Yeah, they're a pain until you get used to them
wide juniper
curse that meg!!
velvet jetty
Anybody know if they're planning on adding controller support?
stiff trellis
velvet jetty
oh. wait, what? I plugged in a controller and nothing happened. hmmm
stiff trellis
Might be the launcher
velvet jetty
I will do some digging =3
stiff trellis
Which controller did you use?
velvet jetty
PS4.
Nevermind, got it to work with my steam controller. Must be my PS4 controller cord or something =)
burnt pond
When can we finish romancing Dusa 🐍
stiff trellis
When does she stop stealing our hearts
cedar moss
I’ve been playing with an Xbox one controller just fine. Never needed to map a thing.
patent epoch
ugh I cannot get past these 2 splody peeps
im always super low health when I get there and they stomp me
peak berry
shield @patent epoch
if you havent already, usually beat them all the time with that, other weapons have a lot harder time with
hollow heron
Is the dusa unlock a Yu-Gi-Oh reference?
hollow heron
Yep
surreal nest
9 ours of hades and only encountered 3 bugs. Two on the same run and 3rd on the next
I’m enjoying it still
real wolf
Honestly my only complaint is a typo on the Zeus boon menu.
burnt pond
Is there a full-res version of Lord Hades' portrait available for download somewhere? I would love to use it as a phone background.
spice cliff
this is as much a question about the epic store as it is about hades, but does progress sync across devices?
and if not, are there plans to implement anything like that in the future?
pallid sapphire
really enjoying playing God of Bastion
spice cliff
I bought the game today and I already called it Bastion once by accident
pallid sapphire
Considering I couldn't get into Pyre at all I'm super happy about it
tender acorn
I would like to play Hades if the game doesn't crash when its first trying to load D:
imma try restarting my laptop see if that fixes it
vale drift
@real wolf If it was 'lighting' instead of 'lightning' that will be fixed soon! If it's something else please let me know.
vestal lodge
@spice cliff There isn't anything like that in place at this point, but we'd love to see it at some point during Early Access.
spice cliff
ah, okay; I was hoping to switch over to my laptop but I guess I'm kinda locked into my PC for the moment
quaint mauve
Is there a way to manually transfer save files easily?
vestal lodge
You can manually transfer save files for sure! They're located in Documents\Saved Games\Hades
copying that folder to the same location should allow you to transfer saves.
brisk trail
oh my god this game is already so good
finally got to play it after dl it as soon as it released
lapis root
megaera boss music is pretty good
quaint mauve
Thank you!
crystal geyser
As usual, Supergiant establishing the best atmosphere in their games.
quaint mauve
^
stray parcel
I have a dumb question. Who does the voices for the characters? They are soo dry and ironic. I really enjoy them.
vale drift
@stray parcel Thanks, great to hear you're enjoying that aspect! The voice cast is listed in the Credits, in the Options menu in the game!
brisk trail
I can't access http://www.playhades.com/ is something wrong?
crimson sequoia
Really enjoying this game, reached room 25 out of the total 27. Anyone gotten farther than me? (I've beaten the first boss with both the sword and the spear).
plain musk
I'd assume a good amount of people have beat the 2nd boss by this point
pallid sapphire
I can't beat the bomb guys :/
plain musk
They take some getting used to
plain musk
Pretty much
plain musk
Unless it's Pos or Zeus cast it's not really worth it
Since otherwise it's single target on a cooldown
patent epoch
yeah pos is beastly
spice cliff
I find the chain dash upgrade helps a ton with the bomb skeletons
being able to just thwack them a few times and then zip out of the way when the bombs drop is a big help
hollow heron
Just got meg down with sword in a five minute grind feat with lifedrinker being the only saving grace
spice cliff
I have yet to beat meg
hollow heron
Sword isn't great
spice cliff
that fight is real grindy
hollow heron
Yeah meg is a long fight
hollow heron
Could probably be toned down a bit
patent epoch
its OP
patent epoch
having said that, I just got to next zone and its ouchies
even with deflect
nfi how to proceed
hollow heron
And I had to adapt spear dash strats into sword
crimson sequoia
Sword is good if you upgrade the special to have bigger AOE and damage , I can easily beat Meg with that
spice cliff
I actually just did a run with spear to try it out
the special seems like the one saving grace of sword
spice cliff
gotta say nothing speaks to me like the shield
especially once I get a few boons on the special
plain musk
@patent epoch Poseidan is your friend
Get that knockback bonus
Hit everything into lava
spice cliff
the Zeus chain lightning boon on the shield special is god tier (pun very much intended)
crimson sequoia
I gave a gift to Hades... he gave me nothing back.
plain musk
I'm torn between zues, athena or ares boon as the best boon for shield special
Zues is probably the best in a vacuum because it doesn't need the extra bouncing hammer boon
But athena and ares boons combined with that are something else
patent epoch
@crimson sequoia standard
spice cliff
I did the same thing
plain musk
If you look at your codex you can see how all gives a gift
(it's everyone except for hades)
crimson sequoia
😦
spice cliff
I should have checked whether there was a gift for Hades
it's fine, ambrosia's actually not hard to get
plain musk
Yeah
brisk trail
because the community imput is HUGE for games like this
just look at the binding of isaac
crimson sequoia
Hades says something when you give him a gift, you get lore.
plain musk
I assume the idea is that more ambrosia for a character will eventually equal buffs to the items
hollow heron
Roguelites NEED good balance
spice cliff
it's so cool being in the dev discord and playing the game the day after release
brisk trail
Supergiant are basically doing what edmund did but intentionally not by chance and then intentionally later
hollow heron
EA is very important imo for roguelites
brisk trail
and NEED a lot of content
spice cliff
and seeing people submit bug reports and then 15 minutes later the devs are like "okay we have a potential fix for this"
brisk trail
which a community is a near-endless wellspring of if tapped correctly
spice cliff
real-time stuff like this is so cool to me
brisk trail
same
hollow heron
I love being part of EA communities tbh
spice cliff
for a second I thought you meant EA the company and was like "what does that have to do with this and also why would you ever want to be part of their community"
cedar moss
I feel like, despite the game making it seem like walls are a big part of the combat, I never seem to effectively use them.
hollow heron
I just ignore them basically
cedar moss
Would be great if walls were treated like, say walls in Tekken where you have a wall splat that stuns and leaves them to be combo’d for way more damage. It would be great if there were more options to get mobs to the wall to really exploit the mechanic.
hollow heron
There is
You deal bonus damage for knocking enemies into a wall, and there's a boon that stuns enemies you push into walls
prisma wind
Oh no, just had my first crash... And it was during the Meg fight 🤦 It was going well, too
cedar moss
Ok well I’ve yet to see that boon.
hollow heron
Theres also a stun one from I think Athena?
languid trench
Woo! Beat Meg for the first time!
hollow heron
Although it's probably also posi
cedar moss
Then I’d like to find more ways of getting them to the corner
plain musk
Just gotta hit them there
patent epoch
grats sean
meager onyx
why does hades protagonist remind me of Royce
brisk trail
i got royce vibes from him too
it s probably their voices
smoky talon
Anyone else absolutely love Megaera's voice?
hollow heron
She's great
plain musk
That's my feeling for basically the whole cast
marble sphinx
meg is kinda tricky without a great safe attack of some kind
either a throw or a deflect
hollow heron
Or lifedrinker lmao
marble sphinx
which one's lifedrinker?
hollow heron
its a sword hammer upgrade that halves your max health but makes the thrust attack heal you for supposedly 10% of you max hp on hit
hollow heron
its super safe
you basically go into each room with max hp
so it goes well with centaur hearts
hollow heron
and also if you get it, switch to cerebus trink after meg
marble sphinx
i usually do anyway
hollow heron
I use aphro trinket at the start
marble sphinx
since you probably have enough buffs by then anyway and asphodel enemies will kick your ass
hollow heron
yeah
marble sphinx
i've been using either aphro or ares to start
once i get athena's keepsake i might open with her too
marble sphinx
deflect dodge is too op to pass up
hollow heron
so I only have aphro
marble sphinx
i have...artemis, ares and aphrodite
but artemis' buffs seem kind of weak except for the crit dash
marble sphinx
the homing cast is ok if you have lots of reserves
there are some busted interactions between the zeus revenge buff and the shield too
hollow heron
I wonder how homing cast and ares cast interact
marble sphinx
if it turned your cast into Round Trip that would be ideal
brazen lake
so, what are the themes of each gods boons?
marble sphinx
athena's are deflection, ares is pure dps, aphrodite weakens enemy attacks, poseidon adds knockback
hollow heron
ares is dot's
marble sphinx
yeah
brazen lake
also does anyone else think surge feels a bit weak?
marble sphinx
poseidon dash? yeah, kind of
marble sphinx
ares dash is crazy good imo
marble sphinx
athena dash is my favourite
brazen lake
i would like them more if they didnt have the same endlag as dash
hollow heron
athena dash is insane
marble sphinx
since it's omnidirectional deflection
hollow heron
athena dash is actually busted
marble sphinx
ares dash has very good dps potential if you can corner an enemy with it
hollow heron
sure its slower, but you have deflect during startup as well
brazen lake
i think its fair for poseidon and ares surge to not have as much endlag considering the fact that they're boons and all that
marble sphinx
imo either poseidon dash or aphro dash should leave some kind of trap behind at the end of the dash
for poseidon it could be a water trap that slows/stuns enemies, for aphro an aoe weak effect
hollow heron
aphro and zues dash are both pretty good
because they're a lot of free damage
especially with triple dash
marble sphinx
don't think i've ever tried zeus dash. aphro dash is ok
plain musk
Zues dash is great at rare or epic
brazen lake
zeus dash was pretty good for me
plain musk
And AoE
Also the range on it is deceptively long
Don't have to be dashing near them for it
hexed smelt
zeus dash is my favourite
rocky quartz
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but in my experience, starting sword is worthless and shield is the best weapon. Also, shield is better ranged weapon than bow and spear - is that supposed to be the case?
alpine silo
What is the purpose of gold?
marble sphinx
and room decor
marble sphinx
sometimes charon sells shards or buffs too
rocky quartz
^and sometimes ambrosia
hexed smelt
temporary buffs, room decor, health, ambrosia, boons... he sells a lot of stuff
marble sphinx
the wells only sell temp buffs or healing items, charon sells proper buffs and healing items
at least i've never seen charon sell a limited encounter buff
hexed smelt
i just wish i saw the wells more often when i had rich runs lmao
the wells sell temp buffs, health/darkness, and room decor
marble sphinx
oh huh, dont think i saw them sell darkness
rocky quartz
I saw
tepid wedge
oh I even bought some
hexed smelt
it’s as an item called, uh.... tinge of erebus, or something
tepid wedge
hello darkness my old friend 😄
fleet sage
Btw has anyone put out a decent guide of the game yet? At least up until the first boss?
kind atlas
Hi all! Just got this game and am looking forward to seeing it grow together!
marble sphinx
it's fairly unbalanced rn which is to be expected of an EA game on its first major update
so idk that any guides would be super useful anyway
@kind atlas welcome!
fleet sage
But what about with the room with the twins? No matter what skills I use, I can't seem to get past them with the shield.
tru
marble sphinx
spamming deflect dash always did it for me
that or using something like the auto draw bow with the ares curse
stiff trellis
I read EA as the company and got super confused because I was certain I only had to pay for the game once
fleet sage
pffffft
void vigil
i know its a problem with epic games store but is there a fix for not being able to buy the game?
hollow heron
Made it to Hydra with sword and then wasn't able to grind it out 
stiff trellis
F
hollow heron
Meg has too much hp
stiff trellis
It ends up being a battle of attrition more than an actual boss battle
olive jungle
@void vigil other than trying to buy it through the desktop client and/or restarting the launcher, not really, sorry...
marble sphinx
i think meg is kind of meant to be an attrition based battle considering how much she relies on her adds for challenge
i don't have a problem with that in itself but there are so few ways to win a battle of attrition in the game rn
stiff trellis
Yeah
stiff trellis
It's also not very friendly towards melee weapons, which is the biggest problem imo
marble sphinx
exactly
stiff trellis
When two of the four available weapons aren't able to be properly used against her, it creates a lot of problems
I was gonna say three but the shield can somewhat deal with it
marble sphinx
the shield does very well in my experience
just deflect her charges then turn around and backstab charge
marble sphinx
if you deflect her bullet hell phase you get tons of damage on her
marble sphinx
shield is fairly busted in general, there are rooms you can win just by standing in the corner and facing it outwards
that's my go to for the gauntlet rooms now
stiff trellis
I think if anything, the bull charge should automatically go at full charge
marble sphinx
Imo the block can stay infinite but it should have a limited parry window
chilly wasp
Will Hades be PC only or will it come to other platforms down the road?
spice cliff
it seems like the sort of thing that I could easily see getting a Switch port
indie roguelite dungeon crawler
very much something that could work on switch
chilly wasp
Yeah it would be great on Switch
spice cliff
no idea if they have plans to but it wouldn't surprise me at all
I'm not sure what Supergiant's usual strategy with console ports is
rose hedge
i am now downloading hades now
what's better using a controller or keyboard and mouse?
spice cliff
controller
spice cliff
the main menu recommends controller if you're using kb/m
spice cliff
there's really no stick aiming at all, it's just a matter of being able to move in any direction rather than being limited to 8 directions
it really is
it feels super polished too
like I know this is technically Early Access
but it feels more like a Hollow Knight-style release
where it's already a full game but the devs are promising to add several major content updates down the road
reef sleet
yeah i made it to the second phase or whatever
and then its was so much harder
cuz i was doing a dash build with zeus dash
and then the lava was like
spice cliff
I don't really go in for dash builds that much
reef sleet
wow i dash around and take damage
spice cliff
oh god there's lava
I'm always afraid to take some of the dash boons that slow down your dash because I never know how bad it'll be
like how difficult is Athena's dash boon to use?
spice cliff
athena's isn't a surge
reef sleet
yeah im just saying
spice cliff
inb4 surge could be good if it didn't leave you totally open for about half a second after you drop out of it
stiff trellis
Tbh if the surges let you move immediately afterwards and had a short cooldown instead
They'd be pretty damn good
Or at the very least
A lot more fun to use
Or if they just sped it up a bunch
stiff trellis
I think it's the hydra? I could be wrong
alpine silo
Is there anyway to heal while fighting?
limpid vault
Yes
stiff trellis
There's a mirror upgrade which lets you get health back after taking damage
limpid vault
There is an ability to drain
limpid vault
10% of your attack
brisk trail
death defy is amaze
alpine silo
Huh... it seem I have only just scratched the surface of this game
slow ravine
Plus temporary HP drops from enemies, and the HP in pots trinket
alpine silo
By the way, there is a counter show the there are only 27 chambers, what happened after you went through them all?
limpid vault
Shield is OP
slow ravine
(the temporary part is the fact it only lasts for 3 rooms when you buy it)
stiff trellis
If the surges were at the speed of the shield charge and perhaps had an effect like the wyrm knight snap for ares and wakes left behind that deal damage, they'd be much more satisfying imo
slow ravine
@alpine silo The game tells you the rest of the story can't be told yet, so let's just assume you die. Then you die.
reef sleet
easiest to use
stiff trellis
Ahh, ok
alpine silo
LoL
stiff trellis
I hope I'm good enough to access the next part by the time it comes out
alpine silo
You have 39 days, I think
burnt dagger
I just hope they wont nerf the shield and will just make other weapons better
reef sleet
yeah
stiff trellis
And I'll be working about 20 of those days, so I gotta got gud
reef sleet
winter break for me
alpine silo
The codex said the sword is incomplete
reef sleet
mhm
hexed smelt
the shield needs a little gentle nerfing, but i feel like the other weapons like the sword should be brought up to par to go with it
slow ravine
Shield and Bow are really strong (with certain weapon upgrade types), sword and spear are kinda weak.
alpine silo
I wonder what the meant for future patch?
stiff trellis
I think they can afford to bring up the sword's damage to 20 or 25, and improve it's speed a bit
Not to mention that they could have different damages for each hit in the combo
brisk trail
since when is the bow strong
alpine silo
Is it possible to permanently upgrade our weapon?
hexed smelt
yeeting enemies into walls is so much fun
brisk trail
yes
slow ravine
Most people don't seem to figure out how to use the bow, but trust me, it's at least as good as the shield.
IMO better.
alpine silo
How to use bow, then?
slow ravine
You have to use dash attacks for your main damage dealer
and you should stack dash-crits with one of the big damage buff weapon upgrades and boons
stiff trellis
Yeah
alpine silo
On a side note, the crystal enemy really give me trouble, any idea how to deal with them?
hollow heron
I got a clear! 
slow ravine
Hit dash, hit attack, wait for power shot, do big damage
hollow heron
With shield, but not a ranges build
Just good old silly high damage dash build
The meta commentary after you beat the hydra is 
stiff trellis
Against brimstone, I'll tend to use shield special and cast which does 60 damage and often kills them before they can get any damage out
slow ravine
So far I've been able to win with Bows, shield-throw build, and shield-bash build
Shield-throw is really annoying with how often it just flies off screen at the worst time
slow ravine
Depends. You can also just walk around them.
stiff trellis
Once they get armour, I just dodge around them because their tracking is pretty slow
stiff trellis
Also wall slam is your friend if you can get it
slow ravine
When I use bows I just dash to the side -> 1shot them
hollow heron
It was my 22nd attempt, so that isn't too bad
hexed smelt
brimstones are most dangerous when you’re not paying attention to them
stiff trellis
Tbh wall slam is my favourite mechanic in hades
hexed smelt
oh mood i love it
hollow heron
With spear I dive them
burnt dagger
I have trouble with hydra coz of visual clarity, anyone feels the same?
hollow heron
Hydra is a mess visually
reef sleet
is there any way for graphical reduction
stiff trellis
But if your cast is unbooned don't bother because the speed is not worth the damage
Except at the beginning
slow ravine
Oh yeah, it's totally different from the rest of the game, I couldn't tell where I was the first few times I fought it
Just because the camera sticks mostly to the center of the arena regardless of where you are
burnt dagger
anyone knows if theres any reason to give a gift to the same character more than once?
stiff trellis
I'd love to know if there were any mechanics in hades inspired by other games in the genre
tepid wedge
a lot?
stiff trellis
Also I hope we see more olympic gods in the future
Well, naturally
But any specific games
slow ravine
Quite a few mechanics have direct analogies in their previous games, particularly transistor
stiff trellis
I was meaning in the roguelike/lite genre
slow ravine
Dungeon crawlers?
stiff trellis
Those too
slow ravine
Probably a lot, it's a whole genre
stiff trellis
True
It's mostly because there's been a lot of good ones over the last few years, namely Enter the Gungeon and Dead Cells and the like
meager swift
Hey any idea why I only get a black screen with sound when launching the game ?..
meager swift
Sometimes it works and I can play for a few minutes before it freezes, and then it doesn't display the menu at all when I launch it again ;-;
stiff trellis
Your PC might not be able to run it in that case
But I'm not really a reliable source
marble sphinx
pretty solid but not much content
spring brook
Maybe i shld buy it later.. when there are more content
marble sphinx
they said it's gonna be in EA for aout a year? which is surprising, most of the stuff is there for an EA title already
the basic stuff that is, just needs fleshing out
stiff trellis
Yeah
hexed smelt
honestly considering i'm about 15 runs deep and haven't made it past meg yet idk where "not much content" comes from x)
stiff trellis
Which means there's a lot more planned or that they're taking every precaution
hexed smelt
i just need to git gud probably
marble sphinx
i mean it's worth playing but it's no dead cells or gungeon or anything currently
stiff trellis
And tbh? After the dumpster fire that is Fallout 76, being careful and making sure it's a good release is a smart move
spring brook
i like rogue-like in general
marble sphinx
well 76 is fairly spectacular as far as failures go
slow ravine
@marble sphinx There's clearly a lot of content planned that's not yet in the game. A year of early access makes plenty of sense to me, at least.
hexed smelt
speaking of, time to throw myself through hell again
marble sphinx
mmm, considering most of the story isn't there either, i guess that might explain it
if it was just more dungeons, weapons, and enemies, i wouldn't expect more than about 8 months of EA but it is a supergiant game after all
hollow heron
I believe in you sparrow, you can do this 
languid trench
I just got my first completed run on escape attempt 24.
This game is already very good, I can't wait to see what else they add to it.
stiff trellis
Well, if the early access begins this good, the end result will be amazing
marble sphinx
oh yeah, and supergiant don't make bad games in any case
spring brook
i like most of the game they created so far 😃
hollow heron
I got my first clear on 22, but it was with shield
marble sphinx
like there are a few devs where i already know i'm gonna get it as soon as it gets announced
stiff trellis
I'm pretty curious about the speedrunability of the game too
languid trench
I got mine with the shield, too.
marble sphinx
in the current build? probably pretty viable since you can broadly select the buffs you want
languid trench
There are some great combos available for it.
slow ravine
Shield using bash, or using throw?
languid trench
Bash.
slow ravine
I love the Poseidon attack upgrade on shield bash
marble sphinx
bash or charge is generally better for shield i find
slow ravine
Throw is great for enclosed spaces.
marble sphinx
the throw is good for kiting and great if you get the ares DoT
marble sphinx
i use it to deal with annoying enemies like the minelayers or the fat guys mostly
languid trench
I've had good luck pumping up the mirror perk that lets you do up to double damage if you attack right after dashing.
marble sphinx
oh yeah, it's weird that crit after dash is both a hammer buff and an artemis boon
languid trench
Combine that with Artemis' crit after dash, and those damage numbers are triple digit, easily.
marble sphinx
yeah
languid trench
I wish they had a feature that let you go back and see your build for each run
marble sphinx
is orpheus voiced by darren korb btw?
patent hull
@languid trench make a request for it in feedback channel?
sudden zinc
ah i wish there would be more and more gods added cause i really love gods
also i really love this model of early access and tweak especially if the developer alsolistens for communitz
burnt dagger
anyone knows if lack of cloud saves is a game bug or Epic store messup?
topaz jungle
Is there an estimated full release date?
cloud delta
a year and a half? That's what it says in FAQ
brisk trail
can anyone else hear a melvins influence in some of the more metal sounding tracks on the ost?
patent epoch
100% @tulip wyvern
it is the day of release though afterall
the gameplay thread is just as fast
tulip wyvern
It's great that they added new channels, though. Helps with the spamminess
patent epoch
mmmm
tulip wyvern
Re: full release date, I sincerely doubt they have a concrete idea. "When it's done" is usually the response from developers who place more value on quality and completion of their game. Even when you have a set date a year or two ahead of time, that's usually not set by the developers but by marketing types who have sweet FA to do with the actual work of creating the game.
The game you get on that date is more often than not going to be a rickety patch job that should've stayed in the oven for a few more months if not years.
The "year and a half" that I see being thrown around is most likely an estimate and shouldn't be taken as a 100% inviolable promise. Remember, a delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is bad forever. I think after many many many recent high profile AAA burns in that regard, more care is being paid to launching when it's done vs. when marketing wants it to launch. By indies, anyway, maybe not so much by the marketing-driven AAA junk peddlers.
cloud delta
don't think anyone REALLY want them to rush it, but since it's early access release date doesn't matter as much imo. I know a lot of great indie games made it this way, so I'm pretty sure Supergiants of all the companies surely won't release it until they think it's perfectly ready
rough ivy
Ah ok
marble sphinx
https://i.imgur.com/DcXZtli.jpg who am i missing? aside from poseidon
hollow heron
Meg i think?
hollow heron
It's time for me to nod off, night everyone
marble sphinx
goodnight
meager swift
Does anyone have the same problem i do a.k.a. the game freezing after a short time playing with only the sound remaining ? It's preventing me from even playing the game so it's quite annoying :/
cloud delta
write this in feedback maybe?
earnest adder
Me too @meager swift
clear valve
i just
had a insight
hades is only at epic store atm because they r afraid of reviews and rather release the full game there so they get better reviews
fiery pebble
Id imagine its just because Epic Store only takes 12% of profits
On a sidenote, does anyone have any theories as to who the narrator is in Hades?
void vigil
people can still post reviews on like, gaming websites and such, can’t they
or just say their opinion of it
I don’t think the reviews are the reason
fiery pebble
Because I cant think of any people in the mythology that really fit that role right now
snow mortar
I was gonna buy hades the next few days, but I was wondering if there's linux support and if not, if I'll get access to a linux port down the road when the game's complete
olive jungle
How does...the epic store prevent reviews
clear valve
steam reviews can be though on early acess games
olive jungle
@snow mortar It's just Windows right now, but there will likely be support down the road
snow mortar
even when I get it in the epic store?
snow mortar
yeah that's fine by me
honestly I'd even buy it when it's windows only, but I would play it a lot less
olive jungle
Epic store clearly made deals with a lot of indie publishers as part of its launch. SGG isn't the only dev putting their games out there; Subnautica is being given away free right now, and Super Meat Boy will be a gift soon
snow mortar
to be fair, steam needs competition
olive jungle
It really, really does. It's such a mess.
snow mortar
as far as I've seen the epic store is gonna be DRM-less?
olive jungle
Either way, SGG felt Epic was ideal for this project, and I trust their intent on that.
They've never been averse to criticism
snow mortar
oh right the Journey pc port's gonna be on epic too
I feel like the epic store is gonna be a lot better for creators
cerulean thistle
Thank you Fortnite kids for paying Journey PC port
red coral
Aaaaaaaaahhhhh I haven't played Hades yet but I just found the song Lament of Orpheus and my little classics heart could not be happier!!!!!!
snow mortar
same!
oh a swear filter?
I love the heck out of rouge lites
and darren korb's style of music
red coral
yes aaaaaah
Orpheus and Euridice is my favorite greek myth so I was hoping they would at least mention it and this is so much better than I could have imagined
red coral
I. went to a classical school as a kid. We were big nerds. I went to a latin competition once
But of course I'm the "bad example" of an alumni because I went on to study games and computer sciency stuff and not exclusively the classics
so seeing someone combine the two so well makes me overjoyed
snow mortar
supergiant is proving how you're not a bad example
red coral
yes and I'm living for it
snow mortar
new media, new ways of story telling
red coral
THIS!!!!!!!
snow mortar
honestly love the idea of the series story telling, never seen this before in video games
well kinda but not in a rouge lite
lean birch
was his name Zagreus or Zegreus help
red coral
rip, can't help you there
snow mortar
Zagreus apparently
lean birch
thank you!
snow mortar
having to wait until money's transferred to my account sucks 😦
red coral
you can do it fam
snow mortar
idk if I can, until now every sgg game was in my top 5
and hades really seems like another candidate
red coral
time to care about the top 10 then lol
snow mortar
nah
I wouldn't really know a 5th place for my top 5 now
don't have to expand yet lel
red coral
oh lol ok
snow mortar
the games I play are either mediocre or amazing, never something inbetween :(
olive jungle
TWO HEALTH LEFT AND BURNED THROUGH MY LAST RESORT BUT I BEAT MEG, THIRD TRY
WOO
that 500% deflect damage is GREAT
peerless parry?
sharp island
Nice job, just beat her as well.
sharp island
Spear's my favourite so far.
cunning gust
Well, the first time with zeus dash mostly 😄
fiery pebble
Ive beat her with Shield and Spear
Spear had a broken build where I got Aphrodites "Weak makes enemies take X% more damage" boon
Which stacks multiplicatively
I do wonder what the next 2 weapons will be
forest hollow
id like a cudgel and a flail
fiery pebble
Id want a Scythe, but I imagine that wouldnt fit in with the mythology
peak berry
theres two more slots, scythe would be cool tho
sterile peak
not sure how it fits with mythology but twin daggers would be neat
fiery pebble
Id imagine they could put in more slots if they wanted to
peak berry
i wonder if weapons that already exist will get different varients
i like small details, be nice to see whatever keepsake you pick on Zag, but i can imagine that being tough
hexed smelt
the mighty zagreus, prince of the underworld, the son of the god of death....... carrying a feather duster
i love it
peak berry
gotta dust every corner of Tartarus lol
wait scythe would work
kronus used a scythe
tepid wedge
and i died
it wasn't hard to avoid the attacks but she had so much hp and my damage was not that cool
peak berry
getting the right booms makes or breaks that fight for me
nocturne hemlock
heavy crossbow ala that weapontype in deadcells would be awesome i LOVE that thing
fiery pebble
Oh yeah, he did
Or was it a Sickle?
Either way, Im on board with Scythe
Crossbow just feels like itd overlap too much with the bow
nocturne hemlock
thats why im saying HEAVY crossbow
slow fire rate high damage close range maybe a spread
fiery pebble
A whip could work as a ranged weapon though
nocturne hemlock
the spear is basically a ranged weapon tbh i wouldnt worry about those distinctions too much
fiery pebble
That just sounds like the bow with the "slower charge, more damage" hammer upgrade
nocturne hemlock
hammers are cool too. im just saying what id like while we're all saying what we would like. you want a scythe i want a crossbow
snow gyro
Any idea when the early access will be available in the UK?
fiery pebble
Its not?
snow gyro
Doesn't look like it
nocturne hemlock
i can buy the game, are you sure youre looking in the right place ?
snow gyro
I mean if you can send me a link that'd be great
but I'm pretty sure it was region locking me, as I could see it when I was logged out
"This product in currently unavailable in your region"
nocturne hemlock
very weird. wait till the devs are awake since theyre west coast based and ask in support i guess
digital lava
Jesus this game gets hard in ashphodel.
barren depot
Shoot, really? I live in Southeast Asia and was able to buy this without a hitch.
digital lava
I'm playing it in the uk
Bought it through the Epic launcher (which I already had installed).
snow gyro
It doesn't show up in the store for me, and when I follow the links from the annoucement in the launcher it gives me the same unavailable message as in my browser
huh
so I've opted out of the launcher beta and it works fine
nocturne hemlock
glad you got it working pal enjoy 👍
ruby jasper
I was wondering, i havent play the game but nothing talk about this anywhere. is the game offer some kind of Coop play ?
digital lava
There's no co-op. Though it would be good if'n there was i think.
ruby jasper
The game kinda looked like a good coop game at first.
peak berry
Scythe I would love, be cool if Meg gave you an extra whip like under the table
fiery pebble
Phrasing
tepid wedge
how does death defiance work? 2x20 or 1x40 if I increase the level?
digital lava
2x 20
tepid wedge
nice
sterile peak
Does Dusa just vanish after a certain point? She hasn't been anywhere
honest raft
will Hades make its way to steam early access someday in the future?
nocturne hemlock
doesnt seem like it will, epic got the deal so steam will have to wait till release
radiant star
Hey everyone! I'm a huge fan of Supergiant! All 3 of their past works have had an effect on me like no other company can. I'm super excited to play Hades as it looks like another banger of a title from them. I was just curious, will the title be released on Playstation after EA? Any clues on when EA will end? If not then I'm super keen to make the purchase for PC now, but PS is my preferred platform. I also have such faith in Supergiant that even though it is in EA, the game will already be quite polished, if I'm wrong about that from any of your guys experiences it would be nice to know! Thank you!
faint sinew
Your guys recommend hades at this point?
brisk trail
Can you actually beat the game?
lyric birch
It's really great
tender geyser
Can someone tell me what the gold coins are for? It seems they disappear after a run
dusk horizon
there are shops in some chambers you can spend it on to make that run easier for you!
dusk horizon
np 👍
tender geyser
God I love this game! So good
peak berry
does the early access have an ending? like the intended ending not oh can't go further cause early access
just curious story still goes and just wondering how much of the game is here
dusk horizon
its soo good ive been stanning supergiant games games since bastion ;w;
peak berry
yea i played bastion first on xbox 360 back in times of old
bleak lance
I can already recommend it.
nocturne hemlock
theres a pick up noise i love in the safe rooms in Tartarus im not sure when or why it triggers but it sounds just like the dungeonkeeper 2 imp taking a tile for you little choir note and i love it
tender geyser
As someone who has never played a supergiant game before I think I should pick some old titles up
dusk horizon
yes !!
im biased towards bastion (as my role suggests lol)
but all of them are super good
peak berry
transistor handsdown has one of my favorite customization to powers and abilities in a game
dusk horizon
bastion had my favorite story
peak berry
wait i got 27/27 chambers
peak berry
good question
peak berry
put that in feedback would be nice to know
topaz jungle
there's a bit of an "ending" after 27
peak berry
ok no spoilers I know what is on 27 but first time, got scared and prayed to pyth
brisk trail
Quick question : should we always make sure a bug wasn't already reported ? cause there're so many reports you see
Also : Hi ppl
civic lava
from what i know of bug reports the more reports of what happened and how it happened
along with system information
it can help identify why it is happeneing
dusty jacinth
I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but it seems that settings get reset each time I close and reopen the game. Thankfully the save works as it should, it's only the settings.
brisk trail
Any chance of Hades coming to steam on full release?
cerulean thistle
yes but not much
hexed smelt
#hades-faq - probably, but there are no guarantees. i can't see them suddenly abandoning steam after three games on there beforehand.
cerulean thistle
the game will probably release on GOG as well and console
young slate
HEY QUICK QUESTION IS ZAGREUS VOICED BY JAMES CALLIS
nocturne hemlock
nope hes voiced by SGGs own mr darren korb
hexed smelt
yup, darren is zagreus
young slate
Whaaaaa
brisk trail
i know darren voiced tariq and that was amazing but i didn t know he was hiding this much voice acting goodness from us
peak berry
who else does darren voice?
brisk trail
falcon ron
peak berry
who are all the voice actors for this game?
hexed smelt
skelly, and additional voices
peak berry
he does skelly?
hexed smelt
gosh saba it's almost like we're in the hades channel and were just talking about who voices the main character of hades
brisk trail
So is this rogue like as in can’t be beat, or rogue like as no two play throughs a will be the same?
i can t help it im always thinking of falcon ron
dusk horizon
the latter i assume
hexed smelt
i'm still baffled at logan doing the voice for achilles. that! doesn't sound like him!
although i knew there was a reason dusa's voice was familiar and it's bc courtney vines also did ti'zo's voice in pyre, so
peak berry
logan is achilles?
random helm
anyone tried filling out the codex?
do the locked things unlock over time or maybe in other patches
peak berry
ah codex giving people stuff feels hearts but for doggo for example I am at the next heart with a lock and I cant give him ambrosia so not sure if its story based, dialogue base etc. Or just that its early access
vestal lodge
@radiant star We cover that in #hades-faq
random helm
ok cool, i was also thinking it was locked by some sort of something
crimson sequoia
Just tried shield for the first time. I ran into one of those rooms where you have to "survive for 1-minute." Standing in the corner blocking works perfectly for that! 😄
peak berry
how long does shield last? like blocking? i know its not forever
random helm
shield is like,,,the best
peak berry
it is, can't use any other weapon
honest raft
finally bought the game ❤
lofty sorrel
For me it's Spear > Shield > Sword > Bow atm. But depends heavily on what boons you get
spiral lava
will the game be out for switch
hexed smelt
maybe! maybe not! who knows? we sure don't!
games are hard! ports are hard! the game isn't even done yet!
spiral lava
just feels like a game , that would be fun to play on the go
crimson sequoia
@peak berry Blocking lasts forever (but you can only block from the front)
fresh stratus
I just killed Meg for the first time ! 😄
vestal lodge
@spiral lava #hades-faq
fresh stratus
20 😃
random helm
i think my saving grace was that if you reflect the wtich projectiles they deal more damage than megs own
dusty jacinth
Anyone else's settings not saving between sessions?
hexed smelt
i think someone else was having that problem too
peak berry
@crimson sequoia ah really? guess something hit me from the side cause i had a lot come at me and seemed like the shield or defense broke
can stuff pass through it then?
fresh stratus
@random helm for me it was the +300% damages on my attacks. Very effective^^
crimson sequoia
I just started using it, I just know I stood all 54 seconds in that corner and nothing damaged me
peak berry
well well well guess I know how to survive those waves when hades gets mad
crimson sequoia
The shield can block all of the first boss Meg's attacks
peak berry
sweet, i always got afraid that it'll break so I charge at her turn then block some more
random helm
AOE tho?
fossil panther
Hi guys
vestal lodge
👋
fossil panther
Am I the only one feeling like the game freezes at the end of each dash ?
errant frigate
Heyo folks
sturdy bluff
Finally beat Meg. My hands hurt
fossil panther
Oh and by the way, is it allowed to share my stream when doing Hades (I'll totally understand if it's not, and sorry i'm French)
Oh yeah Meg hurts A LOT
warm laurel
yeah it is
errant frigate
Got to the end of the early access build today. Hella fun!
fossil panther
Does Meg adapt patterns to your playstyle ? 3 times I face her, 3 times patterns change
warm laurel
I feel like the sequence of abilities is pretty random for her
sturdy bluff
I don't think so. That would be insane if she did, but i also feel like that'd be a coding nightmare
fossil panther
I hope it actually is ahah
warm laurel
just that at first she only dashes, then mixes in those circles and finally the spraying purple stuff
hexed smelt
as far as i know, she has the same abilities every time but gets them in a different order
void vigil
i finally started playing
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520451817323364352/521023809143308298/protip.png
sturdy bluff
I mean... he's not wrong
errant frigate
From the times I fought Meg, I feel she doesn't adapt but just has different attack patterns concerning her move with the 2-4 circle appearing on the ground or her flurry of projectiles
sturdy bluff
Any news on when they're going to get gamepad support for the game? I know it isn't the first thing they need to implement, but my hands would appreciate it
hexed smelt
gamepad? if you mean controllers, then they're already supported
sturdy bluff
Really? Mine didn't seem to be working when i tried yesterday
hexed smelt
i use a 360 controller for the game and it works like a charm, no extra kerfuffle needed
sturdy bluff
Huh. I'm using a ps4 controller and I couldn't get it to read at all
fossil panther
I'm using Ps4 controller with DS4Windows software. Works really great
crimson sequoia
Just beat the second boss!
sturdy bluff
Maybe I'll try that then. Thanks for the tip
crimson sequoia
It is really awesome how they are integrating story into the early access nature of the game
warm laurel
yeah 😄 I just beat it too
the "renovation" reason from dad is funny
and how Zag is impatient like the people above (us)
errant frigate
Yeah its fun. Now that I reached the end its time to grind for presents and make everyone like me~
fossil panther
It's really nice how they manage to tell a story with good characters and dialogue in a Rogue-like
It's THE thing that changes a lot
You're not playing just to get better, but to know what's going to happen like a "normal" story
errant frigate
I dig it yeah. I love the mix of storytelling and rogue-like gameplay
and as expect from SG games, the game looks, sounds and feels amazing
always loved their unique artstyle and feel to their games
fossil panther
This art style is just perfect, and the voices 
covert trellis
Does Cthonic Vitality max out at 3, or is that a bug?
errant frigate
Is that the power you can get in the mirror? If so then 3 is the max I can get as well.
Might just be the max
covert trellis
@fossil panther I agree. Love the gothic art style and the noble way everyone talks.
fossil panther
For now the game jsut feels amazing both in terms of gameplay and story telling. Hope they keep doing great work and listen to the community advices ^^
Bastion for the win :p
covert trellis
@errant frigate Yeah, that's the one. I hope they increase it in a later update. 3 is just too low to be worth it.
errant frigate
Got to the end of the game the first time today
fossil panther
By the way, do you feel like Meg has too much HP ?
errant frigate
Had a weird mix of a bow and several boons which allowed me to crit for 450 damage
fossil panther
Oh and how many runs did you do to kill Meg ? I managed after the 6th one (I count the intro as 1 too )
errant frigate
I think I got Meg first time in my...13th run or so
took me a while longer as my reflexes aren't that great
fossil panther
Ahah no big deal ^^ Just out of curiosity, and btw, streaming it feels great too 😄
errant frigate
Streaming it feels amazing!
I think I finally beat it for the first time on my...35th run or so today
fossil panther
Raaaah i'm gonna try again then
errant frigate
I ain't the best at this game so I'm racking up deaths but no matter how many times I die, I enjoy myself
errant frigate
I think once you finish a room
had to quit out once today and got placed back in the same room i quit out of
fossil panther
Okay thanks !
errant frigate
good luck!
errant frigate
its neat!
sullen nebula
good message
clever flume
So this is more of a question for the developers but where there any specific rogue likes you took inspiration from when designing Hades?
crimson sequoia
More story stuff starts unlocking after you beat it once (at least I am still getting new story stuff) Could be based on number of runs, or could be based on you beating it.
dense torrent
I thought the story stuff was from the convos with the characters
covert trellis
Are there any benefits for giving a character more than one gift? I tried with Dusa, thinking it would improve the effectiveness of her gift, but it doesn't seem to change anything.
dense torrent
I don't think so at the moment
prisma wind
I'm not certain, but I think it might only change dialog based on heart level?
I think I saw somewhere that gifting to gods also increase the chance of them appearing on runs
spice cliff
I figured it was mainly a stardew valley-type thing where it changes your interactions with them
prisma wind
Yeah, that was my assumption as well
stuck inlet
hey all! just bought the game, what's better to use, controller or kb+m?
prisma wind
I always find isometric action games easier with controller
alpine silo
Anyone knows how to use the spear effectively?
I feel like it’s worst than shield in my hand
It’s almost worst than the bow
errant frigate
with the spear i go full crit builds
you attack lightning quick in a short amount of time
so if you attack 5 times and 3-4 of those crit, you are doing well
and you can stunlock enemies with it as well when fighting singular targets without armor
prisma wind
@alpine silo Make use of the charged spin attack/dash trick. If you charge your spin while away from enemies (ie safe area) and dash while still holding charge, it will release the attack at the end of your dash
Spear relies heavily on dash to be effective for normal attacks as well
alpine silo
I never about that tactic before, thanks.
@errant frigate Stun lock is good, but it seem to not working against enemy with armor...
Which is the enemy that I want it to work on the most...
prisma wind
Yeah, knockback and stun lock don't work against armoured opponents
errant frigate
Again, with the spear i feel its tons of hoping for cits and moving a lot
against armored foes, you won't lock them at all with that but i also feel the spear is just a very quick way of playing
alpine silo
Okay, I see your point
prisma wind
Every enemy telegraphs their attacks, so just dash in, hit a few times (or make use of the great range on the spear's attacks) and then dash away when they telegraph
alpine silo
Alright, time to get killed some more
errant frigate
Spear is a ton about dodging and dashing between attack. And good luck friend!
alpine silo
Wait, almost forgot. Can we upgrade our weapon?
prisma wind
Everyone, eventually 😆
errant frigate
Well it only matters for their presents right now really. So give them to whoever you like
prisma wind
Cerberus is a good place to start though
errant frigate
Yeah, his keepsake is neat!
prisma wind
You get +25hp if you use his keepsake
alpine silo
Whose keep sake is the best?
errant frigate
I feel Cerberus keepsake is pretty good. Other than that, maybe Nyx or Dusa
prisma wind
I think it's a matter of preference and playstyle for what's "best" - I still haven't unlocked them all, though
void vigil
im sorry for neglecting u for achilles my sweet boy
alpine silo
How many keep sake can we activate at once?
prisma wind
Just one
errant frigate
1 indeed
prisma wind
Good luck!
mint forum
Can I just say Hades is charming af. This game tho 👌
errant frigate
Exactly!
mint forum
Idk if anyone has played Dead Cells but I thought it was going to be similar to that but like...oh my goodness I am in love 😍
crimson sequoia
Beaten the final boss three times now, once with sword, spear, and shield
errant frigate
music for sure does it for me again
oak sleet
@snow mortar so I'm tempted to buy it on the epic store.. but I'm a linux gamer..so got the epic store to work (had to disable the beta client) but I'm afraid if it would work via wine via it
errant frigate
Every single game, the music is absolutely on point
snow mortar
I'll try it tomorrow and come back to you if it works
oak sleet
Oh you will? Damn, cool. Guess you got the store app working in wine too?
grim stirrup
I would love to buy Hades, but I want to wait for the Switch release. Will i get a free Switch Copy if I buy the Hades version from the Epic Store? I'd even pay 35$ for that since I trust that this game is as good as the previous ones from supergiant.
pastel coral
spice patrol
Is there a wiki yet? Like for collecting checking boons / heirlooms / etc?
lost patrol
nope doesnt look like it
forest temple
gotta love enemies turning on a dime to kill you 😔
stiff trellis
There's a wiki but I don't think much has been done with it
azure verge
so question: what exactly does casting do?
stiff trellis
40 damage at range
spice patrol
Heavily modified by boons though
stiff trellis
It's basically your only range tool if you have the sword and to an extent the spear
azure verge
does marking some enemy with it do anything to them?
prisma wind
Not that I'm aware of, it's just like having your arrows stuck in an enemy in Dead Cells as far as I know
lapis cedar
I think it just stays in them so you can't spam that attack
tepid wedge
feels kinda useless to me
azure verge
yeah, I was using bow/shield/spear and rarely used it.
azure verge
dang nice
hexed smelt
shield with level 4 tempest strike (+75% attack damage) and peerless parry (500% reflect damage), and i still have both of my death defiances left
hollow heron
CONGRATS