h1-discussion

[sharp phoenix]

nalei

[lavish sorrel]

ah right

[sharp phoenix]

ye

they made me buy the game

what's this do?

is this a heat setting?

[lavish sorrel]

faster enemies heat-setting. doesn't just make enemies attack and move faster, but also spawn faster (so you have less downtime between waves)

[sharp phoenix]

oh cool

i only started using extreme measures 2 and high confidence/ the first hit mirror things today

cos i started feeling pretty comfortable with sword

[lavish sorrel]

ah yes, the nalei influence is obvious here /j

(sword gang! sword gang!)

[sharp phoenix]

i kinda hate extreme measures 1 but lernie is so free that the better snake spawns are nice

[lavish sorrel]

on that note, ares (attack) start I'm pretty sure is better on most aspects for ME, but does lock you into ME slightly harder

getting poms in there early and opening impending doom

[sharp phoenix]

i have been taught that plume is the keepsake for zag sword

so i cannot force a boon

[lavish sorrel]

plume is a strategy, not the only one. it's the least consistent one, at that.

[sharp phoenix]

i like it cos it forces me to work out what builds i can go for every run

obviously i'm always looking for rush delivery hyper sprint

but that's only some runs

my time variance is pretty low even with the inconsistency

[lavish sorrel]

(bonus dashes are fine too if you see them, though as you know zagsword benefits particularly much from extra permanent sources of movement speed)

[sharp phoenix]

today out of the i think 12 runs i've done i've probably averaged around 12:45 or so

not including the 2 lost ones (not included in the 12 completed)

[sharp phoenix]

this is my consolation prize- according to nalei it's like the third best boon in the game and i agree

cos i think tidal dash is the second best boon in the game

and anything that scales tidal dash is crazy

[lavish sorrel]

idk man as someone w-

[pseudo juniper]

may i ask why plume is used on zagsword

[sharp phoenix]

divine dash (outside of merciful end) slows me down, once i have the 10:xx and i have higher heats i'll take it a lot more

[pseudo juniper]

or why plume is used at all

[sharp phoenix]

lets u get rush delivery

without any movement buffs

[pseudo juniper]

what

oh zag has movement and dmg buff

[sharp phoenix]

it's attack speed iirc

which is whatever

but movement is damage with rush delivery

[pseudo juniper]

but how does plume help in getting rush deliv

[lavish sorrel]

there are multiple reasons to this.

• it is a rush delivery prerequisite
• it provides movement speed. movement speed is multiplicative, so they stack on top of each other exponentially.
• rush delivery scales off of all movement speed and the strongest temporary movement speed buff

[sharp phoenix]

and rush delivery buffs tidal dash

the second best boon in the game

i have divine dash at like 4th probably

[pseudo juniper]

can you not get rd without plume?

i thought you could

[sharp phoenix]

with a movement boon

[lavish sorrel]

requires hyper sprint or greater haste (or the plume)

[sharp phoenix]

but plume makes u much more likely to get rush delivery which even without hyper sprint with a plume and zag sword is great

[pseudo juniper]

also doesnt plume just boost dodge chance ? when does it provide movement speed

[sharp phoenix]

it does both

by 1.2%

[vast raven]

it’s dodge and move speed

[sharp phoenix]

each fast combat

[pseudo juniper]

oh word

wtf

i never knew that

and i use plume on zagfists

[sharp phoenix]

by the end of the run even with taking every room skip it's generally around 30% and at that point it's basically an acorn

[lavish sorrel]

anyway that aside, I think you slightly overrate plume. it's a decent support-keepsake and a viable strategy on zagsword, but has worse consistency than even ME-god start (which isn't exactly known to be fun reset-wise)

[vast raven]

plume is based i mess with it🔥

[sharp phoenix]

i think maybe 75% of my hades playtime has been plume zag sword, so switching off now would slow me down at least temporarily

i will try out more things once i get the 10 minute time

then i'll actually learn combat rooms/ enemy spawns

[pseudo juniper]

idk how i never noticed that i got faster with plume

damn

[sharp phoenix]

i do also like aspect of chiron on bow which i'll play more of once i've got the time

that's my second favourite aspect i've played

it makes the special not useless and i don't like playing with something where one of my buttons doesn't do something

i also need to unlock being able to use magenta summon on hades which would save me some time

[pseudo juniper]

have you tried nem

[lavish sorrel]

you're very much still in the aspect-/build-learning phase imo. knowing what works, what doesn't, and how consistent each given idea is will help you weigh what probabilities you can get away with according to how much you are willing to reset for it.

obviously do whatever you'd like, it's your playtime, I'm not here to tell you what to do! but I do want you to know what you're doing is a bit inefficient.

[pseudo juniper]

i find it rly fun

[sharp phoenix]

which weapon?

[pseudo juniper]

sword

nemesis

[sharp phoenix]

i do get that i'm a bit inefficient given i don't reset (i'm not good enough for runs to not be on pace)

according to nalei plume is the highroll build tho

and highroll builds are hype

[lavish sorrel]

yeah very risky. very inconsistent

[sharp phoenix]

i have not tried it

[pseudo juniper]

what does high roll mean

like lucky?

[sharp phoenix]

yup

[lavish sorrel]

"you'll have to try this a lot before getting it to work because it's so random. but if it it works the payoff can be larger than the alternative"

[sharp phoenix]

i wouldn't say it's that risky tbh- i think sword can make most builds work so even if i don't get it it's generally fine

like 50% of my runs are no rush delivery and only like 25% are rush delivery hyper sprint

but even so my completion times are a pretty tight group

[rustic vale]

Pretty inconsistent and you trade off a ton of early build consistency which snowballs your soeed

like consistently starting with tidal dash

[lavish sorrel]

I might be out-of-touch, but from where I stand, swords (a bit like the spears) as a whole is NOT a weapon to praise for its consistency (unless you're playing with the modpack), dear god

[sharp phoenix]

also forcing merciful end does apparently mean a reset if u don't get athena act 1 so given i don't reset is maybe worse

[sharp phoenix]

this is the pivot i would make

it is the second best boon in the game

[sharp phoenix]

it might just be that it's the only weapon i have any real playtime in so i understand how to make it work in a way i don't with other weapons

tbf i did get a 15 minute time in a run on fists i wasn't trying to go fast so maybe i'm not too bad at them

ik it's not very fast but i wasn't trying to be fast and it was like my second run

(on fists)

so i was still doing laps around rooms after clearing them to check for gold pots and not taking room skips

[vast raven]

are you playing kbm or controller? if kbm id recommend at least knowing about mouse tech with cast for using it to hit gold pots

[stiff obsidian]

Wats that

[vast raven]

mouse aim to hit gold pots

it’s cool

[old bluff]

You can do this on controller too

It is just significantly harder

[vast raven]

oh noted

[old bluff]

There are some people that actually use the mouse to hit the pots, even if they play on controller

I think sleep did this

And a couple others

[sharp phoenix]

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whoever told me to make the enemies faster

1 run and i get the 10:xx i wanted

if i didn't get like 4 darkness attacks on hades phase 1 it would've been much faster, but i can't complain cos the run was pretty lucky

now i can try out other weapons/ aspects and go for some progression

this wasn't a huge highroll tbf so sub 10 with faster enemies does not seem that bad

it was my first run trying faster enemies so i'm happy i didn't die while going pure greed

[lavish sorrel]

wmic was the main user of mousetech on rail.

There are also a few controller + mouse players, nalei and banal spring to mind

[little lark]

Guys

Would getting stabbed by Zagreus hurt?

[manic finch]

no

[little lark]

So I could take him?

Good to know >:)

[manic finch]

no, he is faster than you can realise

[little lark]

Darn

[fierce aurora]

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where is Orpheus singing from?

[sharp phoenix]

idk whether to go for a 9 minute zag sword time or to try out some other weapons

it took 1 attempt with faster enemies on like a slightly lucky run to get 10 minutes so now i feel like 9 minutes is rly not that hard

but also like 50 of my 100 or so runs are sword

and the first like 30 don't rly count cos i couldn't beat the game

so 50/70

[autumn jewel]

||I don't know if mel or chronos has infiltrated the chat but please don't convince them to accept the hit from zag
he hits like a truck||
-# hades 2 spoilers

[sharp phoenix]

i might be delusional but i feel like a 9 minute time would only take a couple hours now i know the faster enemies tech

[old bluff]

Ye

Sub 10 ain’t too bad if the sack is willing

[vast raven]

||i was about to say zag did hit chronos, but then remembered he chickened out||

[sharp phoenix]

i just did 1 rama bow run being ghosted by nalei and realised i completely suck at anything that isn't sword

i mean it was pretty easy cos the weapon seems busted

but my muscle memory dashes towards enemies

[vast raven]

rame😌

[sharp phoenix]

she said that rama bow has one of the highest skill ceilings tho and that excites me

[old bluff]

Rama skill ceiling is crazy high

[sharp phoenix]

fr, with a lucky run and if i actually learn where enemies spawn and what rooms have which enemies tho i could prob get a 3 room styx and get sub 10

cos each room is only like 20 seconds

[vast raven]

i remember doing the rama rc and getting like 5:30 or smthn (rc, is run control)

[sharp phoenix]

and my pb didn't have a cast/ call so there is a lot of room for build improvement

or double strike

[sharp phoenix]

what does rc mean?

[old bluff]

Ocaml?

[sharp phoenix]

also nalei's pb is low 6 minutes and they're the best speedrunner i know so that seems nuts

what is run control?

[old bluff]

Run control, you play the run of another player to see what you could have gotten

[vast raven]

ya

[sharp phoenix]

i used 4 different keepsakes on my rama run and i like the idea of switching keepsakes

probably over 75% of my rooms cleared have been with plume

[sharp phoenix]

does this include replaying the seed for scouting?

[old bluff]

You can

[vast raven]

you can but i didnt lol

[old bluff]

Some people like to do it blind tho

Or like, they watched the run once

[sharp phoenix]

i replay seeds a lot on balatro which helped my win rate a lot so might help for hades

i'm still very new

[old bluff]

I wanna see Tim’s Rama wr run controlled and play it with Beo lol

[sharp phoenix]

the one thing i do hate about rama bow is that i was told to roll tidal dash

that hurt my soul

[old bluff]

Ye

[sharp phoenix]

it's one of the two boons i have never skipped

[old bluff]

Iirc, flood shot for Styx shredder is the way to go

[sharp phoenix]

i did get flood shot, no breaking wave was annoying but the weapon was so busted that even playing like a chud it was pretty easy

i did uh zeus start for special, artemis act 2 for hunter dash, egg for act 3 cos i was forcing chaos then acorn for act 4

[old bluff]

Egg 😌

[sharp phoenix]

i like things that let me not be taking acorn act 3

and egg is one of them

[autumn jewel]

I take bone hourglass because hera bow likes prometheus stone*

[old bluff]

If you have rd, hourglass is pretty good

For ichor stacking

[sharp phoenix]

i do plume zag sword

cos my ghoster does plume zag sword

my pb wasn't ghosted but like i have now downloaded the knowledge for what to take when

so my rd build doesn't switch keepsake

i have got rush delivery like once not on zag sword

outside of zag sword the extra dashes are so difficult to pass up which means i don't have hyper sprint most of the time after hermes 1

[vast raven]

that or rod ye

[sharp phoenix]

lightning rod?

isn't it both?

[vast raven]

uhh optimally yeah but you can get away with either probably more likely rod imo

[sharp phoenix]

my only run i've played in the last few days that wasn't zag sword (my last run) i got both

[autumn jewel]

@sharp phoenix you should play hera bow

no biases here

[sharp phoenix]

i'm gonna try learn rama/ chiron bow probably to learn something different

[sharp phoenix]

what's it do?

[vast raven]

load cast into attack

beo but bow

[sharp phoenix]

huh

i don't know what beo is either

so like

[vast raven]

shield aspect

[sharp phoenix]

ur attack throws out a cast?

i would hope that comes with some cast damage cos weaving casts in between attacks isn't that difficult

[vast raven]

doesnt throw necessarily, it just does the cast where ever the attack ends in the case of hera

[sharp phoenix]

how does that work with the drowning thingy

the melee cast

[vast raven]

no idea ngl bc the best cast for hera is aph

bc has no additional range

[sharp phoenix]

that's cool

i hate aphrodite's cast generally

and i like things that make bad stuff good

[old bluff]

You can get it on Beo and Hera

It sucks

But you can get it

[sharp phoenix]

so it still goes around you?

[old bluff]

Ye

Functions the same

[brisk trail]

Are there stickers for h1?

[tacit ember]

F your S up

[vast raven]

there are physical stickers

[bold basin]

I max heart out with charon and have a icon of him next to his keepsake

Is this important to do or nah

[iron bramble]

It shows that you've fully deepened your bond with that character and it can be done for every character with a keepsake. Some of them are required for the games true ending and other achievements but many are not.

[bold basin]

ah ok thanks

[tacit ember]

oh to spend 40 min on a ff run to die on hades second phase

lv 1 epid ares attack and me

so like passable dmg and athena legendary

took alot of chip during adds phase and got hit by a couple of pots lol

[hollow cairn]

Hello guys thinking about getting this game. I haven’t played a top down game before?

[fading bough]

Hey guys I’m having an issue deciding between getting hades 1 and 2 or getting mouse pi for hire game

[sharp phoenix]

I unlocked summoning magenta on hades which is annoying cos now I wanna beat my pb. I’ve only rly played zagreus sword cos I’m pretty new to the game and in one attempt of the whole speedrun mirror and heat setup I got my aim of a 10:xx time but now sub 10 seems pretty easy if Styx cooperates

I want to learn the other weapons but I also want to get under 10 minutes

1 run of extreme measures 2 beat my pb by like a minute- I didn’t realise how much time it saved

[pure crystal]

Wish I could play hades

[latent moon]

if you played nemesis you prob would've gotten sub10 lmao

unless you bank on getting rush delivery from hermes i suppose

if you want to save a bit more time, forced overtime 2 makes enemies spawn faster but it is a step up in difficulty

[sharp phoenix]

What does this one do?

[latent moon]

after your special, you get 30?% crit chance for some amount of time i can't remember but you'd essentially have 100% uptime

[sharp phoenix]

Before I turned on extreme measures 2 I was averaging like 12:30 for the like 12 runs I was trying to go fast on even when I didn’t get rush delivery

[autumn jewel]

yes 30% max

[sharp phoenix]

I was still trying to force rush delivery cos my teacher runs plume on zag sword

But I dont reset

Well tbf I’ve only tried to go fast for like 12 runs

I havent had hades for long

[latent moon]

oh are you the person who's friends with nalei

[sharp phoenix]

Yuh

Nalei sensei

[latent moon]

yeah that makes sense

okay so if you're starting out speedrunning i wouldn't go with a high roll build lmfao

[sharp phoenix]

This kinda nuts- Artemis my favourite sword attack boon and that’s 20%

[latent moon]

if you're playing plume zag sword, you have to get rush delivery bc otherwise your damage won't exist

the whole point of that build is to abuse the extra movement speed with rush delivery

[sharp phoenix]

I just wanted to have one like decently fast time before doing higher heats and other weapons I’m not truly speedrunning

[autumn jewel]

you know what's more nuts
the percentage adds together instead of multiplies so you get 50% crit chance for nemesis + arty attack

[latent moon]

i mean sure but if you want to do that, don't try it with a high variance build lmao

[sharp phoenix]

I have happened upon merciful end builds and I haven’t learned many techs so I’m not rly min maxing and so the hype build is kinda fun

[latent moon]

and also knowing what works on plume zag sword requires build knowledge so more often than not your damage is gonna be really low

fair i guess

i just wouldn't expect consistent results quickly lmao

if you dont plan on reseting anyways

[sharp phoenix]

I have kinda perfect build knowledge for zag sword ngl- I’ve been ghosted by Nalei enough to know what to go for in pretty much any situation

Only with plume zag sword btw

[latent moon]

fair enough then

still wouldn't tell someone to run zag sword for their first sub10 regardless tho lmao

or rather plume zag sword specifically

[autumn jewel]

nemesis sword is just zag sword but higher dps

[latent moon]

zag sword with proper god keepsakes can work bc it's just ME lmao

[sharp phoenix]

Idk I did one run on the proper heat and mirror setting and got 10:30 so it’s for sure not that hard

It was lucky but not that lucky

I had no cast or call

Or dash strike

[latent moon]

sure but point still stands

i still wouldn't do that anyways

[sharp phoenix]

There’s a point at which even if it’s not the best weapon it is the only weapon I’m good at

[latent moon]

the mechanical skill set of zag sword is literally the same as nemesis

[sharp phoenix]

Oh ok I could try it then

Dash strike dash strike special right?

[latent moon]

like the build is different but you aren't doing anything specifically different

yeah

[sharp phoenix]

Ok chill, I’m kinda nuts at that

Cos i spent 75% of my time doing that on hades

Do u just force tidal dash on nemesis?

Surely right

It’s the second best boon

[rustic vale]

Artemis gives +10% crit chance

The +20% is her base common additive damage

[rustic vale]

Force it then go into aphrodite and artemis from there

nab zeus or dio for your call if you can

[sharp phoenix]

Rly Aphrodite? Ik she’s the highest percents but she doesn’t rly scale that well from my experience

[sharp phoenix]

Dionysus has my favourite cast, Zeus has my favourite call but honestly i would take either from either

I generally like Artemis attack the most, I’m not too picky on special but Athena/ early Aphrodite or even ares I quite like

Cast I like trippy, call I like zeus

Obviously this all completely depends on what I’m given for speed I do generally like to just fill up my god slots quickly once once I have a god I’d want multiple of (mainly Poseidon/ zeus/ Artemis)

[rustic vale]

aphro has really solid +% and sword just doesn’t have that many options for +% scaling, plus either way you’re shooting for Heart Rend to gain a 4.5x crit multiplier instead of 3x

[sharp phoenix]

I think ares is very strong on sword special but I don’t wanna see more ares in any non merciful end type of build

[rustic vale]

A base of 50% means an epic aphro strike is +90-100% which is a quite significant boost

[sharp phoenix]

I do agree for special it’s one of the best options, on attack I like to have Artemis the most though because it scales with any form of global damage and I look for global damage on attack a lot

Also Artemis attack with hunters mark goes crazy

[rustic vale]

I don’t know how she “doesn’t really scale well” when all of the +% strikes have the same formula for pomming and rarity boosts so her having the highest base means she does in fact scale the hardest of the 5 +% based strikes and specials

[sharp phoenix]

I’m generally not too picky on special cos it’s not a very big part of the damage- it’s significant for sure but attack and dash and even call generally outperform it

[rustic vale]

Nemesis already has a really high crit chance

so you prok hunters mark a ton

[sharp phoenix]

Nalei explained it to me with Artemis being xmult and Aphrodite being +mult

Oh ye nemesis sword has base crit chance

Nm

Aphrodite is busted then

I take back what I said

I still want Artemis in my god pool for hunters mark tho probably so I would force it act 2 if I don’t get it

[rustic vale]

Artemis strike works really effectively on achilles where you already have a ton of additive at base or zag bow where you have a lot of +% based hammers, but nem has a high crit chance and very few options for +% so it works out really well to just have high numbers for your strike and then have stronger crits than the +10% crit chance from artemis on your already 30%

You’re still going to pick up artemis and grab hunter’s mark anyways

Since you want the aphro/artemis duo Heart Rend for +150% crit damage (makes the 3x multi -> 4.5x multi)

[sharp phoenix]

It’s pretty clear I only know the best build options for zagreus sword lol

Cos on that I know I’m supposed to look for Artemis special

I take Aphrodite maybe the second time I see her or the first if it’s my last god

I take special first time if I have open slots

[tardy plume]

I've been having a good time with tidal dash start and aphro atk

Still no sub 10 tho smh

[sharp phoenix]

The way I’ve been taught to play zag sword is trying as hard as possible to get rush delivery at which point Aphrodite becomes much worse than Artemis

[rustic vale]

You still try really hard for rush delivery

[tardy plume]

Oh i thought you guys were talking about nem

[rustic vale]

You’re just using all your rerolls for it and itms less consistent

we are talking nem right now

[sharp phoenix]

I’ve only rly played zag sword for any meaningful amount of time and might go for sub 10 with it today or try out nemesis

[tardy plume]

Eyyyy

[rustic vale]

Sorry +15% crit chance from artemis strike

[tardy plume]

Good for you man ive only gotten 10:15 once and ive only been hitting 10:30s-11 mins after

[rustic vale]

just had it come back to me

[sharp phoenix]

Having my only run with the fastest mirror and heat settings being 10:33 is probably making me a little delusional about how long sub 10 would take

But like the build wasn’t that strong

And I’m still very new so every run I’m getting better

[rustic vale]

sub10 shouldn’t take that long if you’re already pretty close

[tardy plume]

Artemis strike nem sounded really good in my head but it just didn't really feel like jt went anywhere

[sharp phoenix]

You already have the xmult so want the +mult is how I’m thinking about it

[rustic vale]

artemis still takes aphro for higher crits you just are way more high-roll

since you really need chaos and hermes to show-up

And your early game will suffer for it

[tardy plume]

Yeah i feel like aphro atk instead is more forgiving

[sharp phoenix]

Tbf any run where I’m trying to go fast is taking every chaos I see, I think with nemesis you don’t rly need Hermes tho if ur forcing tidal dash

[rustic vale]

I’m already assuming you take every chaos

[sharp phoenix]

My second fastest plume zag sword run had no rush delivery (it was much slower tho cos I didn’t have the faster enemy heat)

[tardy plume]

You still want it

[sharp phoenix]

Tbf every build ever probably wants rush delivery

[rustic vale]

it’s just that chaos’s are anything but guaranteed and so it getting a relevant damage boost without using rerolls you would want to use for rush delivery

[tardy plume]

Cause if you don't land RD the +dashes is still pretty good

[rustic vale]

Can’t think of any that don’t

Greatest Reflex is also really strong

[sharp phoenix]

With checking every shop for forcing it I’ve found I can get around 2 average per run

I think my pb had 2

The bonuses were bad it was just the room skips

[tardy plume]

+dashes with double strike do be hittin

[sharp phoenix]

I do have a pretty low sample size

[sharp phoenix]

My pb had no double strike

And it was my first time with faster enemies

Which is why I feel like it’s so beatable

Now I’ve said that though I know I’m not gonna beat it for a long time

[tardy plume]

Shrug you never know

[sharp phoenix]

I could learn what enemies spawn in each room to probably save a lot of time

That’s prob the most time efficient thing to do

[pure crystal]

Wish I could play hades 1

[tardy plume]

I've been considering learning room clearing

[sharp phoenix]

I get lost a lot

[tardy plume]

Not really to the point of which enemies

But just learning how to clear more efficiently

[sharp phoenix]

When I watch Nalei play they literally pause like 3 times per room to optimise exact damage cycles

It’s crazy

[rustic vale]

learning enemy spawns is probably pretty overkill this early tbh

You can get them down if you want

[sharp phoenix]

I’d say it’s my biggest time loss rn

I lose easily a minute+ every run to running in completely the wrong way

[rustic vale]

mmm

[tardy plume]

Shrug i think it's enough to clear and end up as close as possible to where you want to go next

[rustic vale]

If you stick to one side of a room enemies will really only spawn on screen and mostly close to you for subsequent waves iirc

[sharp phoenix]

I often in act 3 don’t know where the exit doors are which is more time loss I feel is easily fixable

[rustic vale]

not for the first wave just for subsequent ones

[rustic vale]

Oh you don’t even have the elysium room layouts down? That’d be pretty important

[sharp phoenix]

Act 2 things can spawn everywhere from my experience, and the jumping Julians make standing in one spot pretty slow

[tardy plume]

Yeah i have trouble sometimes because I go to one corner then try to clear towards the center but by then the new waves spawns on the other side and it's a bit frustrating!

[sharp phoenix]

It’s the wide rooms that I go the wrong way half the time

[rustic vale]

They can certainly spawn wherever at the start of a room but to my knowledge subsequent waves generally try to spawn close to you

[sharp phoenix]

Nalei mentioned this but I struggle to follow the advice cos I like to just see something then kill it, I should get better at planning an entire cycle

[rustic vale]

That’s why you rarely have to double back on that one really LONG tartarus room

[sharp phoenix]

Which act is Tartarus?

[rustic vale]

you kill all the enemies on the way through and then the enemies really only spawn at the end where you are

[sharp phoenix]

Act 1 right?

[rustic vale]

first one

[tardy plume]

In tartarus the one i hate is the S one

[sharp phoenix]

Is the really long one uh the one with the big club green fellas and the like 2 skulls

Or the wide one

[tardy plume]

There's always that little bomber dude who spawns on the entrance when I'm trying to clear at the exit

[rustic vale]

Certain enemy spawns aren’t guaranteed

[sharp phoenix]

With the orb launchers and sometimes skull piles

[rustic vale]

It’s on a room-room basis but they have a couple options for the most part

[sharp phoenix]

Is it the one with either the dashing ogres or the big club ogres or the one with skull piles/ orb launchers?

Oh there’s also the one u go down in

Which has a bit of everything

Like down left

Ohhh wait it could be the one with the kinda serif T enemy spawn locations

Nm there’s more long rooms than I thought

[rustic vale]

I’m thinking of the longest possible one

And it’s got a pretty consistent thickness, not the one that bellies out into a square and then narrows back down

Anyhow

[sharp phoenix]

My spacial awareness is not good enough to work that out but I think I got it

[rustic vale]

You go from one end of the room to the other over the course of wave 1 usually and then the enemies are only spawning near you so you never have to go all the way back unless you missed an enemy

and then if you missed one enemy it’s kinda all over the place

another example is another tartarus room that’s built like a >

[sharp phoenix]

I miss a little jit most of the time there and go back for it which is very slow so I shld prob lose time to make sure I clear lower to save time by staying in upper

[rustic vale]

If you properly clear it most of the time you never have to double all the way back

If you kill the last enemy at a bad place then the entire room is far game

[sharp phoenix]

I shld prob just do this every room tbf

[rustic vale]

but otherwise only the fraction by the end door

[sharp phoenix]

I could take a page out of Nalei’s book and pause mid room

[rustic vale]

Sword is tied with spear as easily my worst weapons and I have a few sub9s with it I think if you’ve regularly been playing sword you should get the sub10’s pretty soon

[sharp phoenix]

I have like 40 clears I think with around 30 on sword

[rustic vale]

I’m like really bad at handling sword

lets see

[sharp phoenix]

I’m really bad at handling anything that isn’t sword

[rustic vale]

76 clears

[sharp phoenix]

I did a Rama bow run yesterday and kept dash striking towards enemies cos it’s the only muscle memory I learned for dash strikes

[rustic vale]

See I think that’s just because you haven’t tried the other ones

you’ve been onetricking since practically the start right

Like if you gave yourself a pretty good shot with the other weapons you’d be pretty competent with them all

[sharp phoenix]

I asked sensei to teach me an aspect that they liked and was cheap to upgrade very early and the way I work is that I don’t like to move on until I feel like I’m good at something

And I’ve just about got there with zag sword

So yeah

[tardy plume]

For me it was fists it's just the perfect oonga boonga weapon

[granite musk]

I love fisting my enemies with demeter's aspect

[tardy plume]

Ayo what now

Jokes aside I've not really tried much of demeter i was a gilgamesh merciful end frog

[granite musk]

demeter is probably the best aspect due to your special hitting multiple times

[lavish sorrel]

(best fist aspect)

[granite musk]

oh, yeah

sorry

[lavish sorrel]

allg

[sharp phoenix]

I found sword very easy to learn because it’s a very simple and consistent damage cycle with a ton of build possibilities- I’ve played fists a couple times though and they’re pretty similar and forcing zeus seems to standardise early game and give a direction so I could probably pick it up pretty fast now I know sword

Lowkey forcing tidal dash might still be better idk- it’s just so much damage

[stiff obsidian]

I've always found sword dmg cycle hard to execute i always end up standing striking

[sharp phoenix]

I was told not to click attack unless I am clicking dash which helped a lot

Doing that for like 15 minutes on skelly pretty much got me there

Also going horizontally gives the dash strike a significantly bigger hitbox

Idk why

I like doing a dash strike through them then a backwards dash strike on little jits, and a/d dash strikes on big jits the easiest way to consistently optimise damage

Preferably with an approach cast

[tacit ember]

Bruh j missed the sign up so I can't take my exam tomorrow

Gonna play Hades instead of studying ig

[bright dagger]

maybe up to personal opinion but how much should I play of the original Hades before going to the sequel, ||I just completed my first run with I believe most of the story finished, should I max out some things before going to Hades 2, I get this isnt really a question with one answer but im wondering if it will help to stay on the first game||

[vast raven]

theres still a fair amount of story to go so i'd recommend playing at least to ten total wins (or even further if you want to just do bond deepening with different characters)

[sharp phoenix]

is explosive shot good on rama bow?

300% is a big number

i don't know how much slower it is tho

[vast raven]

explosive isnt really a rama hammer

rama benefits so hard from doing power shots that explosive is just kinda yep + the added annoyance of trying to setup lineups being significantly more difficult

[sharp phoenix]

I thought it looked like a trap so didn’t take it

[vast raven]

hammer pref is like, twin > perfect > (lwk) triple > point blank >> chain >>> the rest

[sharp phoenix]

Which was tough cos very weak seed and 300% is big- I’m on pretty low heat cos I’ve just decided to play a few weapons that aren’t zag sword

So Rama bow is strong enough to weapon carry

[sharp phoenix]

I got twin which is very nice as the other hammer, on that screen I picked the 4 extra special shots cos they were kinda weak

And I have zeus special

So should help against little jits

[sharp phoenix]

Tbf the seed being weak is kinda a lie, I have lightning rod and jolted which is just kinda enough damage to win even with bad other boons

Lightning rod is so good

[vast raven]

with relentless and zeus spec or bow spec in general you sadly don't get all the hits to pop at once bc of zeus icd if you hadnt noticed, relentless is like okayish still more so a high heat hammer just bc of trying to spread shared suffering more, i don't doubt it does smthn though it's been a while since ive played rama

rod 😌 😌 😌

relentless probably gives like an extra maybe a 2nd additional hit of zeus spec on a given target

[sharp phoenix]

What’s icd? Is this the thing Nalei told me about why u don’t want zeus on Chiron cos of some hidden cooldown

[vast raven]

ya internal cooldown

[sharp phoenix]

Ah I see

I thought it would still be slow enough ngl

It’s chill I have lightning rod

[lavish sorrel]

less so high heat; relentless volley is the hitless rama hammer if anything

you have no idea how much hitless runners hate pressing rama attack lmfao

[vast raven]

kinda surprised bc dio spec existing as an alt to zeus and relentless just makes getting stacks easier

[lavish sorrel]

high heat binds you to have a strong build through tight deadline a lot more than hitless ever will (where they run TD0, or sometimes TD1 to get rid of survivals. the average hitless build idea is "get rod, have good hermes, and have at least one fast and non-committal move to use if at all possible". it's a mindset I personally partly disagree with (because I know that a strong build can make rooms easier than safety ever will) but it's what most there consider meta)

[vast raven]

ig

[tacit ember]

@lavish sorrel i managed to record a ff win hehe

[lavish sorrel]

lfg

"can I has linmk"

[tacit ember]

its 40 min, gonna upload to utube

idk if i can submit this since i didnt have an onscreen timer

[lavish sorrel]

ohno

[tacit ember]

igt 27 min or smth

[lavish sorrel]

yeah that's a problem, would be likely accepted as a first src submission though (1st submission leniency) as long as it's not fast

[tacit ember]

src?

[lavish sorrel]

src = speedrun.com

as for the sheet, it's nothing official

like, no timer's perfectly fine for that, just won't get 100% integrity-score on the run

[tacit ember]

bruh youtube wants me to verify my phone to upload videos over 15min

i love giving my information to large company for no reason

[raw herald]

it’s a sign to start running rta

[tacit ember]

i played quite wel for the whole game exept the hades fight lol

actually most of the hades fight but took liek 150 dmg at the very end of 1.3 for no reason

[lavish sorrel]

I fear a sub14:30 fresh file run is not happening

[tacit ember]

i also had a visual gitch where the shock wave form the hades skull explosion didnt show, only the particle trail

i was paying attention and didnt get hit though

[lavish sorrel]

yeah known, not sure what causes it though. it only happens to some people (bananas for example has never seen it), so it might be hardware-dependent

[tacit ember]

i think it has to do with v synk

[lavish sorrel]

mayhaps

[tacit ember]

i was messing with the recording and i switched it (on or off idk but to the one that i dont usually use) this made the recording want to work but some visual glitches

there was also a pillar in the meg arena that was having some visual thing

it was the right one next to the exit

https://youtu.be/0TZMSK2v9tA

who thought youtube premieres were a good idea

the first combat room in this run is peak hades gameplay

oh i didnt realise i had a reset in this recording lol

[tacit ember]

seems you dont actually need an on screen timer overlay

the ingame one is fine

gonna submit and see

[lavish sorrel]

oh you meant no rta timer

yeah that's perfectly fine, I can time it for you!

[tacit ember]

😠 they are not letting me use chinese characters for my speedrun.com username

[tacit ember]

would like some help with that

hades dies at 36:38, this is the frame

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1394734947180482570/1491803605521404026/image.png?ex=69d905df&is=69d7b45f&hm=0934f18f69a3ee060a8893dddf75015a8fc7a86c38023eb6e551d47d089505b3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=423

i assume that is the end time

at what instnace do you start counting though

[stiff obsidian]

Wow nice fresh file

I should do that at some point

[sharp phoenix]

i keep forgetting to change my mirror to be safe instead of fast now that i'm trying non sword weapons

[tacit ember]

looking at another run seems they start counting when they press on the save file

[sharp phoenix]

i'm still very low heat (8 rn) so it doesn't rly matter but i do kinda hate starting at 50 on a weapon i know very little about

[tacit ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1394734947180482570/1491804535243407410/image.png?ex=69d906bd&is=69d7b53d&hm=ca5ee7ff0f828705e1f4714e31447e39cf7873dd5db34995f785231cf4bf66db&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=410&height=749

the frame the cursor is pressed down ont he file is at 9 sec

so that would imply that the run is 36:38 - 9 = 36:29

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1394734947180482570/1491804927536926790/image.png?ex=69d9071b&is=69d7b59b&hm=b1dc0c85f91d1ddbc17c84e42fc4acbe94200f09cbe5d4c074d7e5d1a6ebdc87&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1848&height=585

would make me 81

i did alot of dilly dallying in this run, could have saved a few mins lol

ezgif4b294cb04d572eac

who are the moderators for h1 on speedruncom

[old bluff]

There is a lot

But the only one really verifying rn is Alex

[tacit ember]

wowowowow verified

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1294254043434057792/1491810512155971645/image.png?ex=69d90c4e&is=69d7bace&hm=5c3426dde145398febffa98f88e0a5605064961277c6b8d2b1e64c0190cfbf5b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1848&height=527

this is hype

how is verifying a run done

i submited 32 min ago and the run is longer than that

ig for runs with slow times its not nessiary to have a super high level of scrutiny

[sharp phoenix]

idk the first ever speedrun i submitted was like a 42 minute hollow knight any% nmg which is pretty slow and it got invalidated because an unlucky enemy spawn made me do a floor clip which even tho it lost me time is technically a major glitch

so they did at least watch the whole thing

[tacit ember]

what is a floor clip

ive never encountered that

https://i.redd.it/2ojea5jak6261.png

[sharp phoenix]

you get hit by an enemy like a few frames before a room transition and fall out of bounds

it's the main trick for categories with glitches allowed cos u just skip like the entire game with the fly glitch

for me it was a time loss cos i just clipped to the room below and had to go back up

it was coming down from watcher knights and the big sword guy spawned at the perfect point to hit me as i was falling into the left room transition towards lemm

[tacit ember]

were you doing a trove

[sharp phoenix]

oh i was just talking about speedrun validation, this was hollow knight not hades

it was my experience of slow run validation

[tacit ember]

oh i thought you were talking about a hades glitch

[lavish sorrel]

in the case of hades 1 and 2:

• make sure the run is unseeded (or in the case of ff make sure the recording shows the moment the save was created)
• watch at 2x speed for the parts hard / impossible to fake
• if something against the rules is spotted (for example, quitting out somewhere between the reset and the win or a missing save icon or timer), adding a verifier note (and sending the user a DM if necessary)
• put into a video frametiming tool (less important in h1 since the src boards for this game do not use centiseconds as opposed to hades 2's). make sure the rta gotten from this retime match what the submission promised.
• (if igt category) make sure the igt in the final winscreen and the one promised in the submission match.

Note that this is different for games that are deterministic and hence less to no uncertainty, Celeste for example. (more things can be checked in that case)

[tacit ember]

makes sense

[tacit ember]

i think rama 51 is forsure harder than ff bruh

even 45 with nem i think is harder than ff

maybe i just dont have the double dash crutch so i dont think the added difficulty from monodash is that bad

gonna try some 45 nem and maybe hellmode ff now

[lavish sorrel]

sorta agree with rama 50 > ff in terms of pure mechanics, yea

[stiff obsidian]

its all a matter of practice ig

i did rama 50 and cant scratch ff

[lavish sorrel]

nem 45 I don't agree with being harder than ff

[stiff obsidian]

sword just sucks

highkey worst wep in the game

[tacit ember]

perhaps

but id rather play base sword than base rail

more fun

[vast raven]

same here lol

[stiff obsidian]

[tacit ember]

bruh

love ap 2

rare lv 3 aphro attack going into furries but im forced into explosive shot lmao

[vast raven]

this is why WE ap0

[stiff obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/we-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-14928204287258878513

[elfin jewel]

i just realised i dont have dionysus keepsake, whats the easiest way to force him to show up

[tacit ember]

...

[elfin jewel]

do i just hop in without a keepsake and just reroll roons

[tacit ember]

i dont think rerolling rooms matters

either hes in the pool or hes not

but rerolling might let you discover that sooner

speaking of dio

i forgot to equip a keepsake and got dio first boon lol

why is epic aphro attack giving me +92%

i could have sworn it was + 100% and a pom gave you +120%

[raw herald]

reroll a miniboss door

if you’re gonna do that

[raw herald]

attack & special boons have variance at higher rarities in h1

epic is 1.8-2x common

iirc rare is 1.4-1.5x?

[eager raft]

what's the best weapon for speedruns?

[raw herald]

shield with beowulf aspect

has most single run wrs

[eager raft]

cause of it's dps?

[raw herald]

yeah the dps is unmatched for the amount of aoe it has

with charged shot at least

[elfin jewel]

didnt even need to

[eager raft]

isnt it just a better aspect of hera with charged shot

[raw herald]

pretty much

hera has some advantages

but an average beo build just beats the average hera build

[old bluff]

Ye

And Beo Ely blows Hera out of the water

[raw herald]

and styx

[tacit ember]

beo block for braindead gameplay

[old bluff]

Unless the build is nuts and you get incredible rooms

(Croven 27s)

[raw herald]

true but

hera also deals with armoured chariots pretty well

in a good ely

[sharp phoenix]

i have just been taught that you can dash strike and special in the same dash- my fisting capabilities have multiplied

[eager raft]

hera is probably my fav aspect

[old bluff]

Hera is a pretty goated aspect

[vast raven]

i swear it’s fine even up to like 54, ive personally done ap0 57 stuff bc ri3 is lwk easier than any amount of ap and i will die on this hill

(granted it was zeus shield LMAOOO)

[eager raft]

if i did 32 heat with hestia on DC 2 am i able to beat 42 heat with zeus shield in yall's opinion

[vast raven]

probably yeah, zeus shield is (no offense) a very easy aspect to win on bc of survivability

[tacit ember]

zeus shield (derogatory)

[eager raft]

the time ended my life

is hard labour 4 worth it

[cerulean anchor]

guys a question are "?" rooms blue laurel or yellow laurel rooms?

cuz idk what to alter, i need patroclus encounters

[stiff obsidian]

u can always see the laurel color

oh

they can be either

u mean the story rooms

i dont think u can reroll into them anyway

[cerulean anchor]

oh

welp

thanks tho

[eager raft]

on hestia is it better to get a pom for your attack or hope for an attack boost from chaos if he's available too?

how do i kill like 10 skulls that all have 5 DC with hestia

is that even possible or is my run just over

i in fact killed them but it took me so long i died of time one time

[rustic vale]

Chaos is more valuable than a pom

[rustic vale]

You’re going to just need to revert to regular gun usage

[eager raft]

i died at hades

[glacial bolt]

Fun fact: Distant Memory is poorly coded with Electric Rod Duo and will ALWAYS trigger regardless of far away you are from the cast crystals.

[calm dagger]

zooz

[tacit ember]

made it to hades on hellmode ff

didnt get ME or athena legendary died 1.2 lol

[mint coral]

Chat is this real

[glacial bolt]

it is, im getting 105 damage from the bolts when it should do 70 or something

[tacit ember]

i have no idea what a distant memory is

[glacial bolt]

keepsake

[mint coral]

No fam favs/other global I assume?

Wait how much is memory again, 30%?

[glacial bolt]

yeah

i use it for AFK ||dad|| phase 3

[mint coral]

Shouldn't 30% get you to like 91 dmg x rod bolt

[glacial bolt]

Oh i had a comm RW

and my DM was level 2 cuz i didnt ever used it LMAO

[tacit ember]

bruh h2 just feels worse than h1

i think it is that you cannot animation cancle a lot of things

very often i feel stuck

maybe that means i have to not play it like h1 and keep in mind that i will be forced into standing around during animation lol

[vast raven]

you can animation cancel a lot what

it's definitely just unaccustomed to lol

[glacial bolt]

i feel this, why does Mel only get 1 dash and no way to destroy projectiles lol

[tacit ember]

not with dash

[vast raven]

yes

[tacit ember]

or no its just sertaina ttacks

like the staff special

[lavish sorrel]

keep h2 discussion in h2 channels.

[rustic vale]

Distant Memory does in fact work as intended it just sucks because it’s usable range is stupid far away from you

[glacial bolt]

With the Rod duo boon spefically?

Cuz i was dealing the same damage at distance and while close to the cast crystals

[rustic vale]

The distance is just stupid far

[rustic vale]

hold up, two reasons why you wouldn’t really be seeing it

The first is just the stupid distance away from the enemies you have to be for it to work, and the second is you’re assuming it’s based off your distance from the bloodstones

but it is your distance from the enemies that matters at the moment they take damage

[glacial bolt]

did you went up and tried it by yourself?

[rustic vale]

I’ve both checked the code and used this in practice

[valid osprey]

eris gets 100% damage bonus with her aspect during her boss fight but in this game it caps out at 75%. okay supergiant

sensing some hardcore favoritism

[pure crystal]

Wish I could play hades

[edgy pilot]

why can't you?

[stiff obsidian]

They're waiting for someone to buy it for them

[tacit ember]

i would also like a copy if anyone is donating

[eager raft]

what weapon do yall reccomend for 40 heat besides shield

[tacit ember]

rama if you are not skillissued

hestia if you are

[stiff obsidian]

eris

[lavish sorrel]

agree with all of the above, plus maybe arthur sword? kinda braindead aspect until like 40 if you get the build together (athena or aphro attack, if you happen to get your hands on it, and any invuln call to panic-press when you mess up and something is about to hit you for a lot of damage) and know how to avoid dad spins (or happen to get double edge on one of your hammers so you can just spam dashstrikes on dad instead of having to learn arthur-dad)

nemesis sword if you're a bit more experienced is also very reliable until a bit after 40.
hera bow is another strong aspect-choice until around 45, after which it starts falling off due to really needing damage control 0 to do what it needs to do that is to say instakill enemies so dislodge-time never becomes a problem

[tacit ember]

ff hellmode is kinda hard

[lavish sorrel]

30% more needlessly punishing 🚮

I do not like it

[tacit ember]

i need to beat it for bragging rights

[lavish sorrel]

beat ff multiple times in a row instead, that's miles more impressive than fluking your way through one win

[tacit ember]

ff winstreak is too hard, rather gamble rng for a win

[stiff obsidian]

goddamn why do u edit ur msgs somuch

[tacit ember]

the more you edit your discord messages the better you become at hades

as evidenced by @lavish sorrel

[iron bramble]

It's true.
...Maybe.

[stiff obsidian]

fr?

[tacit ember]

-# fr (edited)

-# (edited)

-# ⁽ᵉᵈᶦᵗᵉᵈ⁾

[rustic vale]

Lowkey any of the rails

[lavish sorrel]

idk luci can be sad

no deltachamber and no clockets 😔

[tacit ember]

no maidens

[frozen lion]

Why are we making all our messages‫‫? This don't make no sense

[tacit ember]

how did you make the edited appear in the middle of the message

[frozen lion]

Two instances of U+202B

Like ‫‫so

[tacit ember]

123‫‫

‫‫

‫‫

‫123‫

[frozen lion]

And you gotta‫‫ the message

[tacit ember]

idk how this works

where do i put the ‫‫unicode charcter

oo

lol

i can feel ‫‫making me better at hades already

[rustic vale]

mastering the keyboard in and out of game

[elfin jewel]

im tryna get a sub 10, does anyone have any general tips to help me speed it up

[frozen lion]

FO2, EM2, TD0, extra dash from mirror, use a speed aspect like Hera or Beowulf

[tacit ember]

I'm sure there are routs to clear all the different room layouts more efficiently

Standing in a corner makes enemies spawn more bunched up

[lavish sorrel]

https://zacharywebsites.wixsite.com/chamber-guide-3

[elfin jewel]

i need to lock in and shave off 30 seconds

[stiff obsidian]

Not necessary at all for sub10

[vast raven]

would even argue sub 8 ngl

[old bluff]

i wouldnt even argue sub 7

i didn't look at it until sub 5:30, but that was because i didnt know it existed lol

[latent moon]

I'd say maybe for sub7 lmao

But for sure sub6

But you can def get away with just standing in corners when you remember

[old bluff]

ye

just dash toward the wall

[tacit ember]

maybe i should do a bit of 40 heat winstreaking with zeus

take a break from difficulty

[elfin jewel]

is zeus like easymode

[vast raven]

pretty much

[latent moon]

for heat yeah

if you can figure out how to use it

[tacit ember]

honestly pretty autopilot gameplay, atleast for this lower heat level lol

gonna slap on tooth and dog collar to level them up

[latent moon]

you should learn to speedrun instead and use those lmao

hestia speed lowkey slaps ngl

[tacit ember]

speedrunning seems less fun

[latent moon]

fair enough

it would level up your keepsakes faster tho

[tacit ember]

fair

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1329437187091075162/1492283458024636607/image.png?ex=69dac4c5&is=69d97345&hm=470ce03605713f39fe35db53dcbf35dc7c56ca879c01c9a95b9e25c38873241b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=464

gonna run this

is the coin purse good

like imagine i have the gods in my pool by tart

and i dont want to do the hermes thing

would purse to asph be good

hm should i do charon

the rng i too good for me to throw lol

[latent moon]

it's an option yeah

[tacit ember]

natural epic athena attack and ares special in tart lmao

ig gods pride putting in work

[tacit ember]

do you think i should level up both tooth and the dog one or just tooth

i figure the more dds you have the better the dog one becomes

[latent moon]

well when are you ever running DDs on heat

[tacit ember]

athena refil ones with sd

[latent moon]

yeah but that's not you running dd

[tacit ember]

with ap 2 i dont really expect to get any lol

[latent moon]

you're better off with tooth

i dont think i've ever seen anyone run collar on high heat

i dont think the extra hp is ever relevant unless you get both dd's from athena, but even then tooth still has more uses

mainly being able to get a dd from the well with empty tooth

so you'd really never run collar

[tacit ember]

oh i forgot about that

what do people usually take to hades if not hourglass

i used to be a fan of achorn but not so much anymore

[latent moon]

i mean

acorn lmao

not much else worth taking other than that or niche hourglass use case

i've heard spearpoint could be an option but i've never seen any high level runner actually use it

[tacit ember]

acorn over tooth?

[latent moon]

well for hades yeah

dad can just smack you for like 80 damage

which is basically your whole tooth

where acorn can do that like 5 times

[tacit ember]

999358269422321774

but ads chip

[latent moon]

yeah but it's still a better shot than tooth

the only add chip that deletes acorn for no value is butterfly ball

maybe sneak but i'm not entirely sure

but like would you rather prepare for that or prepare for eating 200 damage from dad lmao

[tacit ember]

maybe

then i dont have to upgrade any keepsakes

maybe ill do purse

the stupid bot limiting my link usedge again bruh

[latent moon]

for heat the only keepsakes you need are the god ones, earring, tooth, acorn, and hourglass

and purse i guess

but i dont think anyone takes purse bc you want to live lmao

but otherwise yeah that covers basically every niche/option afaik

[tacit ember]

what is the use case for earring

[latent moon]

more damage

it activates at i think if you're below 40% hp?

so like it's just a free damage buff with SD

you take it if you need more damage/time generally

[vast raven]

35%

[latent moon]

ah

same principle tho

[vast raven]

its really good

its kinda annoying if u have a styx buff but like ye

[latent moon]

oh yeah people take earring into dad fight

you lowkey have to play near perfect in dad fight to live tho lmao

but big damage

[vast raven]

very nice global true

[tacit ember]

i got curse of drowning for the first time on this run

the pulses are so slow bruh

[latent moon]

big damage!

[stiff obsidian]

i take earring when i have a lot of time and big dmg build

to go zoomies

[tacit ember]

wow i didnt realise the pat touch of styx was 15 chambers naturally

i always take hourglass to ely to gamble on the that lasting to hades

maybe there isnt any point in that

[latent moon]

hourglass doesn't affect that

[vast raven]

paty buff isnt effected by hourglass

[tacit ember]

oh

ive just been placebo effecting

[latent moon]

also patty buff always lasts to hades if 2 tunnel i believe

except like 1 case

[tacit ember]

then what do i even take to ely

[latent moon]

i think if you get earliest pat then 2 long tunnels, it won't last

[vast raven]

yea

[latent moon]

acorn lmfao

earring

[tacit ember]

fair enough

[latent moon]

hourglass for gamble

[vast raven]

acorn if timer is fine and u dont feel comfy in heroes, if you do, just take earring and solidify timer

[tacit ember]

that makes sense

i must be not terrible at the game if ive just been placeboing ely and styx

does touch of styx affect the tooth

[vast raven]

i dont think so bc it's a flat heal unlike all others which are % max hp

idk i hardly take tooth

[tacit ember]

lol 5 tunnel

ig those are levels for my keepsake

wasnt planing on going out of my way to do tunnels

3.5 min for em4

maybe

plenty of time for someone who isnt bad

[latent moon]

you'll be fine prob

you have a good build (probably) bc no ap or ri

[vast raven]

that should be plenty yea

cp2 em4 is about 3:30 to 4 minutes

[latent moon]

oh really

that feels fast lmao

[tacit ember]

44 seconds for phase 3

[latent moon]

i wouldn't know tho tbf

you've got hp to spare surely

[tacit ember]

beat it

[vast raven]

phase 1 is about 1:20 ish, phase 2 is like a minute to minute half and then remainder is phase 3 (checked myself on my 62 vod, entered at 16:34, ended at 20:48)

so ya about 4 minutes

[latent moon]

dang

[tacit ember]

im prolly gona take off em4 lol

if im gonna be taking keepsakes to level up i could use more reliability

[latent moon]

cp2 js2

[tacit ember]

surely

[vast raven]

ri4 🧠

[tacit ember]

what even is that

[latent moon]

routine inspection

[tacit ember]

oh the mirror one right

intresting that last run was my 50th clear lol

[latent moon]

hell yeah

[tacit ember]

big five oh

I still think the special icon looks like a snake

I thought it was literally that when I first started playing but even after realising it was a fist I still think of it as a snake lol

[stiff obsidian]

no h2 spoilers pls

[tacit ember]

all the channels show that there are new messages but most of them don't actually have any

🧐

Trace of bot activity

[stiff obsidian]

I’ll teach anyone who is interested to earn 30k darkness or more within 3days from the underworld, but you’ll promise to pay me 10% of the profit. Note only interested people should contact me (HADES) let get started. [phone]

[tacit ember]

HADES

I want to learn to level up keepsakes quicky

[stiff obsidian]

man i just cant get into slay the spire

maybe im playing it wrong

[stiff obsidian]

ok so what you do is

um

https://tenor.com/view/thats-your-job-to-figure-out-luke-belmar-gif-16741498272803948522

[tacit ember]

He is so nonchalantly wow

[stiff obsidian]

finally finished art of rally

time to hades

what should i run

[tacit ember]

5 kilometer

[stiff obsidian]

thanks for reminding me

i actually have to do that

but in hades

[elfin jewel]

no hit run

[jade urchin]

Im on attempt 110 maybe finished like 70 times . Am I still missing stuff? Lol

[zealous vessel]

Is Zeus legendary good for zag fists? And should I look for any duo boons?

[latent moon]

zeus legendary is good on zag fists but it's kinda impractical to get unless you keep getting zeus boons lmao

duo boons would either be smoldering air or lightning rod

[tacit ember]

the skullemoji earings are kinda strong

[vast raven]

they are very good true

[stiff obsidian]

doom eris time

[vast raven]

artemis attack eris

[stiff obsidian]

i tried that once

timed out in ely

but mysterra did attackless eris anyway

[vast raven]

im assuming that was with big spec damage go boom

[stiff obsidian]

i think big tdash

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502817768513470474/1492592756395085874/021xm8x.png?ex=69dbe4d4&is=69da9354&hm=63595721aa3dcbcd437bd3371bb98df8829841ee570cac1f6381ddd3ebd318bd&

nice tart

[vast raven]

holy peak, attackless eris gaming time

[tacit ember]

the perfect shot shield hamer togeather with the fast charge is actuallykinda fun

[stiff obsidian]

oh no i already sold a boon

doom is doing as much damage as hestia

[tacit ember]

40h zeus lollygagging is quite fun

[stiff obsidian]

my doom was doing 450 dmg per drop

now imagine that with the one boon that stacks doom dmg per hit

easy 600+

i open the game to learn it on controller but felt too lazy to learn

another day wasted

[tacit ember]

bruh i died on zeus 40

only on run 3

so washed

[elfin jewel]

why do i always get common doom whenever i see ares 😭

[stiff obsidian]

you have to manifest it

[tacit ember]

wow lighting rod is actually kinda good

it has insane range

[lavish sorrel]

a high heat carry, and good anyheat cleanup boon

[tacit ember]

bruh im actually so skillissued

cannot winstreak while leveling up random keepsakes

too washed

[elfin jewel]

i dont think it works :(

its always epic special and epic dash

but common attack

[stiff obsidian]

i manifested it by installing the modpack

[elfin jewel]

i wish i could get it on console

[elfin jewel]

so close to sub 10 but my tartarus was bad

but the theseus fight was the best i’ve ever done

idk whats considered fast but it was 13 seconds

[vast raven]

13 seconds is pretty fast

the record is like 4 seconds

[rare jasper]

Hades 1 players scare me

Serious players I mean, like

[vast raven]

booo /lh

[tacit ember]

lh?

[elfin jewel]

it means lighthearted

[vast raven]

it means low hades, similar to low key

[tacit ember]

booo (highkey)

[old bluff]

3.63 Dio Beo, 3.79 flood flare Beo iirc

[elfin jewel]

do they get oneshot or smth

thats so quick

[latent moon]

Yeah basically

Most of the time is just waiting for the bubble to go down

[elfin jewel]

i just got lucky and had them both next to eachother the whole fight

so my ME dash attacks were hitting both of them at once

[latent moon]

Yeah that's ideal

[elfin jewel]

and i had billowing strength and rush delivery

[old bluff]

ye

you use meg summon get a quick 2500 damage in then phase both of them

then you hope that you proc hunters mark and insta kill them in the second phase

[elfin jewel]

i love meg summon

tbh i need to get better at fighting meg, thats probably where i lose my time

[edgy pilot]

anyone else here feel like the game is way easier with a ranged weapon? maybe it's just me but, I feel like with a ranged weapon, i can be REACTIVE to enemy attacks, but if I am close w/ melee, I basically need to know their attack patterns, and anticipate their attacks i I want to make them miss.

or maybe I am not doing something right. also by melee weapons i mean the sword, that is the only one I use

[jagged hamlet]

Are you dash-striking with literally every weapon? It's the optimal playstyle for everything!

[edgy pilot]

yeah i mostly use the sword with nemesis aspect... I start by trying to get aprhodite attack, and then i hope for hammers like the one that makes your dash strike hit twice, or get breaching slash if it's not offered. maybe the gold one if the other two aren't available or the back stab one.

[stiff obsidian]

even the ranged weapons are best played melee

[edgy pilot]

I try to do Dash strike, dash strike, then do the special and just find myself getting hit a lot more

[stiff obsidian]

sword is hard

[edgy pilot]

yeah, i guess i do find myself attacking closely sometimes. But i haven't thought much about it. It's mainly just on the bosses like hades the fact that i don't have to be as exact about my dashes

like i can be a bit farther away when hitting him

[jagged hamlet]

I've noticed that good sword speedrunners seem to dash-strike very deliberately rather than just as often as possible. I had to fix my dash-strike spam at some point

[lavish sorrel]

Good starting-point is just doing dashstrikes as frequently as possible but there is a lot more depth to the weapon than that indeed

[edgy pilot]

hmm ya maybe i am just spamming it too much. The one time i did win a high heat run with sword, i had the boon from hermes that gives extra dashes

so i at that point i could just be spamming and never slow down

[frozen lion]

Can't say I do. I'm quite fond of fists

[rustic vale]

I can name like every truly phenomenal aspect and it’s either a ranged weapon that will also dominate in melee, or a melee weapon with ranged capabilities ngl

because on one hand you have the bows and rails and on the other hand you have beo/zeus/guan-yu

[elfin jewel]

guan yu with charged skewer my beloved

[stiff obsidian]

i boot my game up again and i am in the hades fight

how does this happen

[low heron]

i forgot how flirty aphrodite was in the beginning of hades 1

[tacit ember]

aoogha am i right

[modest herald]

new to the game, played only a few runs but damn it's fun

my last run was great got me through the first 3 bosses first try. I died on the minotaur + spear guy fight

[wary sun]

👋👋

[wary sun]

I agree just started today and its very enjoyable

[modest herald]

I died on the duo again bruh

[modest herald]

got to hades, died halfway on phase 2😔 had a cracked build

this is my 5th run

[magic iris]

Just had the worst temple luck ever, got sack on last room

Sitting at 25 minutes going outside, one DD...

[modest herald]

just wondering is the bow considered to be op or?

[magic iris]

I like bow

[modest herald]

first run with it got me to hades

[magic iris]

I think same actually lol

[modest herald]

absolutely destroyed everything spamming dash strike

[magic iris]

Think I beat him though

[modest herald]

I did not

[latent moon]

not op but def good

[modest herald]

then dash strike is op

it's one or another🤣

didn't feel nearly as good on the sword tho

[latent moon]

dash strikes are just good in this game

bow def benefits a lot from it

[magic iris]

Lost the run, didn't even get to phase 2

It's cause of that damned theseus...

[magic iris]

No, I also lost LMAO

But that was my 28th run

Still beat him first time with the Bow though, on run 35

[tacit ember]

Guys I only have 1 doller left in my account bruh

Need someone to gift me Hades fr