#h1-discussion
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You press cast and it explodes after your bull rush
To be fair
without the charged shot hammer
you’re charging up for a max of 50 base damage
which is like a worse bow shot
charged shot makes it 80 base damage no matter how much you charge it which makes it really effective
So It is hammer dependent and charge shot?
What other hammers good
For zag shield pulverizing blow is fine
I beat hades in 9 runs, this game is so peak
WHEN WAS ANYONE GONNA TELL ME ZAGREUS HAD A SPIRIT IN SMASH BROS???
Oh yeah that's a thing lol
they made him suck tho, he only has one support slot 
Which companion is best for casual players (I'm currently doing 15-20 heat runs)? I've been using Thanatos' one but I know a lot of people prefer Meg's?
meg's a lot faster and dmg is good enough to bust most minibosses armor
there's a bunch of set ups to hit stuff like witches circle with meg too
Yeah megs is generally the best
sisyphus's has a niche for farming extra darkness
OKAY COOL
I figured it wasn't amazing since it only gives like 10 but then again
ideally you use it in styx
after getting a bunch of chaos's darkness boons
PLUS spindle
Might start using it until my mirror is maxed out then actually
thanks for your help!
Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will take any advice from you guys
can cerberus be romanced? is this true
31 Clears to beat the main story 
HUH??!?
i did not know that wow that is something
Zagreus for smash real?
The kitty claws* :3
what is Nobara doing here
She dyed her hair and got into law ig, jujutsu was kinda cringe anyways
Also Mahito STINKS
He REEKS
true
Okay
Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will let you guys pic the boons and such
Man I still wish I had my PS4 running now lol
I have a weird question I noticed if I slowly increase heat with a weapon I keep getting items like blood ambrosia etc. If I do high heat and get back lower heat ones can I still get rewards?
Yes if it says 8 heat and you do 24 heat, it fulfills the rewards for 8 heat and next will be 9 heat
What us aura damage reduction on aspect of arthur? It doesnt explain
Special sets up an aura, standing in the aura grants dmg reduction
That sounds op
Is aight
I just unlock
is still arthur
It looks kinda slow tho
Arthur is slow but it does a good chunk of damage and is quite fun for me. It's a slow and powerful instead of a quick and weak weapon
It has big numbers but by the time the big swing comes out most weapons already matched that dmg lol
Do buffs from keepsakes like the plume and the pierced butterfly remain after I unequip them?
No
How do you unlock aspects? Google isn’t giving a straight answer
Aspects become available one run after the Rail has been unlocked and the player has collected at least one Titan Blood.
You need to unlock the final weapon (the gun) and then they become unlockable via spending Titan Blood in the courtyard
YEAH of course
I figured plume/butterfly would be different since they give kinda tiny buffs as a reward for doing something difficult
I shan't be using them again then
Yeah the Hermes keepsake in H2 is way better implemented
The keepsake in H2 most similar to Than's is... not good but at least it keeps working after switching lol
Plume at least has some niche
(it opens rush delivery/his legendary)
wtf is Theseus doing in Elysium.
Dude does not deserve to be there
Elysium is for the great, and ain't no better heel than Theseus
Theseus is a real not nice person
in the myths
like in the the beginning, yes
towards the end total a hole
I can't say the whole word for some reason
Serious question: does the underworld care more about your character or your billionaire status worldly accomplishments?
yeah elysium is less "good people" more big feats
if it was to hades's opinion it would be less crowded
I also was suprised when he called for dionysus
(WHO WAS ALSO A BASTARD TO HER BTW)
yes apparently
you also cant say buck with an f
see
bastard also isnt that much of a swear word anyway
LMAO WAIT I NEVER CONSIDERED THIS
That's craaazy
To be fair the gods all seem to hate theseus too
they help him pretty reluctantly
poseidon DEFINITELY hates him
It's hard to talk about Greek mythology without "bastard" 
true!
how i change my hades language
main menu -> settings -> language
Dude
I hate the slammer variant of Lerner
SO GOD DAMN MUCH
aaaaaaaa
Cmon literally half the screen gets flooded with like 0.5 seconds of reaction time falling rocks
You'll Lernie to love her soon enough
I love her BESIDES that god damn variant
After all weapons are unlocked*
Elysium is nepobaby city
how are you unlocking the rail again
Iirc you can get fists after rail
both are available for purchase at the same time
are they not?
not that I remember
Nope
Righ
Misremembered
It’s been a couple hundred hours since I had to purchase the weapons
guys, you reccomend me get 100% on h1 to play h2? i got 60hr already and 51% achievements
srry for bad english im brazilian
There’s an epilogue and otherwise you can do a bunch of other things ngl
like maxing relationships and buying everything else, making your way up to playing high heat or playing for speed
If you like the gameplay
If you’re just doing 100% achievements, sure 👍
100% of Hades itself outside of achievements is going to add like 400 hours compared to just doing all the achievements ngl
How do I unlock the last heart for bonds? Zeus just automatically let me but no one else is letting give them the ambrosia
Each npc has a “favour” you need to complete and it’s usually just talking to them a bit
their respect favour can be found on their fandom wiki page under the “affinity” section
shield imo
good defense but im new so 🤷♂️
Hestia and Beowulf
it has blocking which is insane
gotta abuse bull rush
But how do you get no booms in beginin there are boons lol
Does It just let me continue?
I'll probably try fists first
It kinda makes you choose boon you want or not
Take as few boons as possible (3 or less per region) then sell them after bosses
For boonless Hades dialogue you just need to arrive with 0 purgable boons
Is chaos still a boon ?
So I can sell?
yep
Oh thank you
Hestia, Rama. The four shields can work too but are quite hammer-reliant. Nemesis, Zagbow and Arthur have good earlygame damage but the damage falls off in the backhalf.
I am trying arthur but I might choose rama after this ty
Guys I need help I did a boonless run but at last I have to choose a boon door
And It is lock Im not able to pass without getting thr boon
Is there something I can do
I mean last shrine on satyr gate
It was on a boon door lol
I think nothing to do?
Yeah that's just unlucky
If you have fated persuasion you can possibly reroll into a non-purgable boon depending on which god you have to take
otherwise
there isn’t much you can do
So I take fated persuation for no boons run
Anyone got games that is similar to hades ? Played splintered fate but is there any other ones that are good?
hades 2, there's nothing else quite like it. i did enjoy returnal but it wasnt nearly as hades as i had hoped
Yeah im bummed out that its only on switch :/
I enjoyed tmnt spintered fate also, very similar to hades
After 52 attempts, i was able to complete 11 runs.
My question: is it worth to keep playing regarding the story?
Absolutely yes
The story continues WELL past getting Persephone home
There's still a lot to do with befriending characters and unlocking those stories, plus you can become more powerful and also aim for other completion goals such as prophecies
The game does also have an official 'epilogue' (doesn't mean you can't play past it) which you'll find out more about soon if you keep playing
So there is a lot of currencies and i understand the meaning with them but does the heart requirements ever stop or is it endless because ive given so many to one character and it keeps showing more empty hearts
Each npc has like 8-10
With hypnos ive given to a point that one is locked with a golden keyhole. Dont know how to progress her
A) hypnos is a dude
B) each npc has their own specific “favour” you have to do to to unlock their final hearts
iirc Hypnos has a pretty length story arc with Thanatos that needs to be completed by just doing dialogue
Never asked if its a dude but okey 😅
you just said “her”, so I wanted to verify
It’s a pretty common misunderstanding ngl
Hypnos and Orpheus are both confused for girls pretty often
So i need to complete some sort of quest to access the last one?
Man I've never played a game more fit for the steam deck than hades
So pumped to get onto hades 2, hades got me putting more hours in a game that I have in a while
The one more run is hooked deep into my soul
if i unequip shackle keepsake after i complete a biome, will its effect last?
No
No
k
If theres an infernal and a chaos gate in the same room can I do the infernal first and still get chaos?
That would be a nooo
Infernal Gates are doodoo
Really wat??
That was my first one lol
What it just gives you one extra room reward? Are the next rooms guaranteed elite
infernal (or erebus) gates are good, they just can be difficult given you need to not take damage to get the reward, also its not that it’s an extra room reward it still progresses the chamber count as normal, for tartarus as an example there are 12 chambers before your endshop/end reward being offered before you fight one of the furies
and no the rooms after arent changes at all
unless you count the already increasing biome depth just as you progress further ig
it either gives a double heart/pom or improved rarity on boons, but needing to do it hitless is kinda just a pain in the ass and generally not worth doing most of the time
having to do them hitless is really difficult depending on the enemies as well
butterfly ball is a possibility iirc, flamewheels as well
Oh gotcha so it's not even an extra room reward, that makes sense then
It's elite reward if you can complete hitless, you get hit you just lose health and room reward xD
Very high risk with not that great a reward
Especially in Elysium: those are bananas
yeah butterfly ball can happen in erebus ive gotten it before
n there’s nothing more humiliating than losing an erebus gate to a flame wheel
There's nothing to be embarrassed about! Those things are absolute menaces
returning to the first game after marathoning h2 for a month lets see how rusty i am
Skull, skull, skull, more skulls, even more sku- SHOOT THAT'S A FLAMEWHEEL
The devs definitely put that one in to troll players
Greg Kasavin knew what he was doing...
My lambent plume is at 18%
Does this mean that I have a 38% dodge chance?
Oh, and I also have 50% quick recovery
yes
With the temple of styx, I could possibly go up to 60% or something
nah it only applies at the end of the the final chamber of the tunnel
so at max it can only get upgraded 5 times in styx
Oh, sorry for the language
Oh, I see
Can you tell me what Patroclus' deal is? He always seems bothered to see us
Oh lol
Won't even be a hassle with what I predict to be a 45% dodge chance by the time I get there
Alongside quick recovery
Putting me at an estimated 2000 health with my death defianced
i mean that's assuming you clear every chamber fast enough
also assuming you'll get every quick recovery proc
no, you only get the plume buff if you clear the chamber fast enough
you're assuming you'll clear every chamber fast enough to get to 45%
Ah
Just got bronze skin
I'm basically immortal
Which keepsake do speedrunners and high heat players use?
Keepsakes, plural
Every good keepsake is only good in some situations. It's impossible to overly generalize and that that one specific keepsake is the best at everything in every situation. Some are however significantly more commonly used than others.
The standard keepsake rotation for speed is
important Olympian's keepsake #2 ->
Hourglass/Acorn ->
Acorn/Earring/something```
Oh, I knew that. I worded that poorly
I assumes one would use multiple boon keepsakes
I'm looking forward to the essay 👀
speedrunners typically take hourglass or acorn into ely, or purse, sometimes a god keepsake depending on circumstances/build
into styx, acorn to keep up high confidence
hades sigil if your build has incredibly high burst potential like castpects and ME
I feel lied to 🤕
I wanted to get 100% dodge chance and become immortal
Purse that late?
i mean you could've gotten closer if you didn't have a lvl 1 plume lmao
Speedrunners like to buy lots of stuff from Well of Charon
I reached 43.1% by the end
if well items are good and you're broke
or general brokeness and need to get something from midshop
like if you have a good pace but build is suffering
or to just take the money to have for styx or next mid biome well
for high heat, it's pretty similar 2 god keepsakes -> acorn -> acorn generally for most people
tooth into asphodel is pretty common for higher heats
earring at higher heats for damage
Anyheat:
ZAP: poseidon + zeus + (artemis or aphrodite)
ME: (athena & ares)
Bone hourglass is almost always best to use in elysium
%damage:
Hades call can be fine to use in styx to go faster, but is sometimes (on aspects with long attack animations) outclassed by the acorn.
High heat:
ZAP is still good
ME is generally a bit unreliable above like 32 to low 40s
Dio keepsake (for attack) gains some use on melee-weapons, but is still considered weaker than zeus
Athena keepsake gains some extra value and is often started with (meta)
Zeus keepsake opens jolted and lets the player deal with damage control better, and is hence a meta-option
Aphrodite can be used in place of athena in many cases, trading deflect for some extra damage
Skull earring sees some use, usually equipped for asphodel, and sometimes kept through elysium too if tight deadline gets tight
Tooth can be used in asphodel / elysium for extra safety against rooms
Acorn is almost always used in elysium and styx (especially styx)
Collar is a weird one but I see some occasional usecases for it entering asphodel, if you're low on max-hp at the time, and are good on tight deadline pace
i keep forgetting acorn last for multiple regions
Yay essay!
hourglass if well items are good and you want to be baller
To be clear, the god keepsakes mentioned here don't account for 100% of runs, especially the stronger aspects usually have more unique builds that cannot be easily fit into the boxes of FDS or ME.
Can confirm
am taking hourglass rn
Um, I have shadow slash on aspect of arthur
And it simply doesn't work a lot of the time?
I keep getting the backstab notification, but not triple damage
It’s not triple damage
It’s +200% additive
on top of your other additive buffs
It's triple rn, because I don't have anything else
It's just giving me base damage and it activates sometimes
Is shadow slash the one that doesn’t apply to dash strikes, i can never remember
Might be that
Also you likely have at least some additive damage from the mirror
Yeah
unc still got it
Ohhh, I see now
Wait, it just says attack
Oh, it doesn't
Ah, that was my mistake
If I do a 24 heat run, will I get both the 16 and 24 heat statues?
there isn't a 24 heat statue
Oh?
it's 32
Oh 💀
sword is a weird case
it's like the one weapon where some hammers that say attack mean both
and some don't
like bow it's very clear that ALL your strike hammers affect both strikes and dash-strikes
and on the opposite side, on fists it's very clear which ones only affect standing strikes vs dash-strikes
sword is the only one that really mixes it up where some slash hammers affect both dash-strikes and standing strikes (breaching slash, hoarding slash), while some only affect standing strikes (cursed slash, shadow slash)
Is there some bug with fish that pull on the first tug?
This is the second time I'm losing the fish, even though I KNOW I've pressed the key
I pressed it like thrice
Afaik no
Well, it happened only on these two times that it was a first tug
I thought my key was faulty
I have many questions
- What does the god gauge charge rate depend on? Aspect of Arthur charges so much slower then Aspect of Zeus
- Which rare treasure should I keep converting? Eventually, the others will become bottlenecks
- Should I crank up my heat? I'm easily able to keep a streak and I always buy the rare treasure in the Styx shop, along with 4/5 other items
God Gauge charges whenever you deal damage, equal to the amount of damage dealt /100 and charges up to 100% but
lemme put a pin in that
all damage in a hit above 60
is square rooted
so 64 is effectively 62, 96 (60 + 6^2) is effectively 66 (60 + 6)
so your big arthur hits are far less efficient
Whenever you take damage, you also gain charge gauge equal to 60% of the relative % of your max hp you lost
Ahhh, I see
IE: you took 100% of your hp as damage, you’d gain 60% charge gauge
More questions
- Where can I see the life totals of every boss?
- Which Chthonic companion should I use? Meg's or Dusa's?
Ok
life totals for each boss
Wiki should have them
the only one I bother to remember is Hades being 17k hp per health bar
I think Theseus is around 10k and Asterius is around 12 or 13
You can convert diamonds and ambrosia (conservatively)
But blood would just lie there, no?
Diamonds are the easiest of the rarer rewards to farm out
Aspects alone are 306 blood total
not to mention the one victory theme if you want it
I don’t see any reason to not be turning up your heat by at least one a game then
If you’re doing pretty comfortably (which it sounds like you are)
1 more heat this early
is nothing
you have 80 trillion options to pick from
I do this, yes
Yeesh, ok, so I'm FARRRRR away from that
Right now, I'm doing all the weapons of the same heat level before moving to the next
Bounties from bosses end at 20 heat for each weapon so that’s a total of 252 titans blood from bounties
Hello Hades 1 discussion
I'm at 3 heat on every weapon
+~40 from prophecies
What are you up to today?
Hiiii
so you’re going to need to outsource at least a few other titans bloods
from renewable sources
NOOOO
I played for like
12 hours that one that
It was an enthralling experience
I finally got around to downloading Hades on my laptop so I could do some boon testing with codex mod ngl
I never knew that was a thing people did
I was looking to figure out how many shots miss lightning by getting extra attack speed on rail
I just play and learn from my runs
It feels more fun that way
I get to KILL THINGS
I’m at the point where there isn’t much to learn from just dojng runs
Which is pretty fun I think
🔪
I kill lots of things and fast 
You must be like a top 0.01% player, I'm sure
Zagmad
I got some definitive proof that any extra attack speed on rail pushes it past a 1:1 ratio of shots to lightning
Ok that’s presumtious
I don't understand any of this mathalgebrology
Zthere isn’t much basic stuff for me to figure out anymore about boons
Arthur user
It’s mainly just me needing to group enemies and handle enemy spawns better I think atp to get faster times
Top 0.1% for sure
Eh
I think 0.1% would be like
How many copies has hades sold?
People who speedrun the game
Top 0.1% is only best in 1000 so I’d be willing to say that given how much I assume Hades has sold

It involves irl restrictions
just ap3 things dw
Did you burn yourself irl?
Play with one hand, +10 heat
Every time you get hit, a searing iron is pressed against your skin
To represent the pain Zagreus feels
permadeath irl omg
This implies that irl isn't permadeath and that you can respawn after dying
well yeah
No death defiance irl 

Oh, shackle IS the paper dino
Do you not have a respawn menu when you die?
No
I tried /gamemode creative but unfortunately I don't have OP
Anyway
Back to Hades
Uhhh
My highest beaten Heat atm is 9
Trying to beat EM4 Hades
modify the nbt tag smh
Basically
it cleared 64 heat unmodded so in high heat yeah
One of the few aspects that have a recorded 64 Heat completion
hera bow can only imagine 
As much as I wanna strive to be the best player
One of 2 unmodded atm iirc
Having fun with the game is enough for me
What mods do people use to make the game "easier"?
Are they like
QoL mods?
Speedrun modpack is the only officially acceptable one
Oh, there have only been 2 64 heat runs?
Unmodded, yeah
It's like
The Zagreus Sword aspect
And Zeus
it lets you kill yourself instantly / gives you 4 choices at the start so you don’t have to reset for the one you want
Ohhhh
LMFAO
it basically just removes a bunch of reset points completely outside of your control
so you can just focus on the speedrunning
no, it's 2x Zeus, 1x Rama
Ohhh
My bad
I was googling the first victor that one time
so the modpack modifies gameplay but you can say it's a QoL mod
Guan-Yu hasn’t cleared unmodded yet?
And I vaguely remember them mentioning a sword

Crazy
Since like
Immediate sustain in Hades is really good
eh
sustain when you’re taking 2c damage is half as effective already
plus you’re on a time limit you can’t just stall out indefinitely
someone gave 64 modded arthur like a week of attempts but this aspect is unfortunately hot garbage the millisecond it goes above 60. nemesis has also cleared 60 modded, but will never do 64 either. zagsword is bad nemesis. poseidon sword is bad zagsword
Btw I double checked and yeah. Hammers always either multiply the amount of time something takes to happen, or directly set the time value. No attacks per second shenanigans
I love wasting my time on animations
thanks arthur / gilgamesh
I can’t imagine them coding everything so strictly for hammers and then going “lets just break our pattern differently for swift strike in particular”
btw this does mean that attack speed bonuses result in more attacks than you would think
Common is like 11% more/s but heroic would be like 66%
I’d need to take a look at the code to verify that for swift strike but I really find it hard to imagine
that they’d convert to attacks per second for the hermes boons
unfortunately only like... fist/rail benefit from this. only some parts of the animations are affected iirc.
and it's not like it's that good comparatively anyway since RD / +dashes exists
bow has it’s stupid drop animation
The time in between fists combos is hard set
crazy behavior
So you can’t pull a chiron/concentrated volley swift flourish
with concentrated knuckle
I tried
You fire off like 5 attacks in 0.1s and then wait a full 0.5s for the rest of it
Bone Hourglass is my new favourite keepsake
poshboy is that you
You could just use fated and keep buying stuff
I was maybe using a lvl10 swift strike on codex mod
I can’t just rename myself bone hourglass and dissolve years of brand image can I
Asterius is your guy
same as the other weapons but you need to talk to him in his miniboss chamber by himself
Yes
you’re going to need him to acknowledge you using the fists first iirc
after that you can use any weapon
Unironically atp if I go to start up a new account somewhere and my conventional username is taken, I’ll use Shackle, but if Shackle is taken, I’ll use Hourglass
『Hourglass』
I can’t use those for permanent usernames
too hard to reliably source
if I don’t want to copy and paste from elsewhere
I guess I could figure out which keyboard they’re on
it's chinese double quotation marks I think
Yeah my phone's japanese keyboard has them not doubled
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
』
『』
You’re right
That’s so cool
yet another reason for me to have like 15 keyboards on my phone
Ωπ
it's a blessing to be able to type all the greek letters on demand
Aphrodite and Poseidon special on AoZ is such a scam
And Poseidon's literally harms it, because it pushes them away
I hate that I always read the thorn as p
I didn’t want to be the one to say it
I say that, because Zeus is better
Eh
one get’s pretty major value from explosive return
way more than the other
it’s a matter of trade-offs
Plus weak is just a strong debuff icl
fix your posture
Yes, I should
Although, in this case, it's probably because I sat for a total of what feels like 12 hours
No such thing
As too much Hades
idkman I feel like some players have played too much Hades for their own good
(Though granted, only few ever reach that point, at least to the extent I am talking about)
Is 350 hours between both games in 2 months the "too much" that you speak of
😭 I think so
I'll do you one better, ≈100 hours in the span of a week
That's what I did for hestia 59 and unmodded zeus 62, a week and a half each
I'm glad that's over
But yeah, I believe there is such a thing as playing too much hades and I highly recommend no-one do it, for their own sake
If you even slept 8 hours a day this would be impossible
with 0 breaks from Hades

I was pulling all-nighters half the time, and regularly forgetting to eat. Didn't have classes at the time since I was on break, meaning I had the time to do this
It really was not good
AAAAAANYWAY. Hades. Great game.
How quick were you?
I was quick enough
There was a good half second between me pressing the key fully and it disappearing
I get perfect catches a third of the time, so I'm not slow either
Why is everyone heart reacting my messages all of a sudden 😭
Across 3 different platforms
Why does Charon hit SO HARD
Cause he rows all day and all night
The first time I tried facing him he one shot me 👍
He is a chthonic god after all
Um, does rare crop make all future boon choices common?
The last 18 choices were common wtf 
I have the mirror stuff for epic boons, what is this nonsense omg
Finally, 1 singular epic boon
1/24 choices
Genuinely awful luck
Nope
Ok, so I just did have bad luck
This is astronomically unlucky
I've become pretty good that I don't let any Elysium warriors spawn in the butterfly room
I'm counting rerolls, too
If that makes a difference
Also, my rerolls across all runs are giving me 1 or 2 of the same choices pretty often
As if they're not actually rerolling
No difference
The game chooses one current option to absolutely be booted from occuring for the rest of that boon choice and then chooses all 3 choices at random
I see
It’s not impossible to get 1-2 of the choices back just unlikely for 2 of them
fairly likely for 1
Even with the worst possible rare/epic chance (aka no mirror buffs and no rarity boosting boons) this is quite bad
I have noticed this rarely now that I think about it
But it’s not a documented bug
Oh, when I say 24 choices, I mean 8 sets of choices
Note to self: never buy the rare treasure before checking the tunnels
I lost out on a DD
I assumed as much
Gold touch and dark regen are the only things that are bad here
everything else is either objectively the better option, or a decent pick of two equally usable options
it’s far more useful for you to spend your obols as you get them
Having 100 extra obols for tartarus means you’re fair more likely to be able to afford a boon from the tart midshop
which will let you get your god pool in order
I want to buy rare treasures at the Styx shop 
I don't understand...
God pool?
as you pick up boons from regular olympians (not hermes or Chaos), they are added to your god pool
Once you get to 4 gods, you only see those 4 from regular boons
no, selling boons doesn’t remove them from the god pool
so most of the time you want 1-2 (sometimes 3) specific gods for a build and so you typically want to keep your god pool open to get those important ones
And then close it off asap to double your boon consistency
Taking that early midshop lets you browse for maybe a god you want for your build really early which is a lot of utility
Ohhhhh, why is that?
Making a build would be so bad otherwise
if the god pool didn’t exist, build creation would be like impossible
You wouldn’t be consistently getting boons from the same gods to make something strong
You also want to be using obols as you get them to provide yourself with as much value from them as possible
When you aren’t farming boss drop resources from styx shop
it makes far more sense to use your obols as you get them and then you get like 0 value from golden touch
Whether you’re playing speed or heat, getting stronger earlier means you will accomplish your goal (winning faster vs winning at all) far more of the time
Lorewise, it just makes sense
You get more of a god's favor, and in turn, they're more likely to reward you
It's the same reason why certain Boons can only be obtained once you gave specific Boons already in your slots
They're called "Boon offerings" or whatever
I just go for the attractive gods
those are?
Artemis, Aphrodite, Chaos, Dionysus (sometimes) and certainly NOT Demeter
Scratch that, not Dionysus
Add Ares instead
Artemis, Aphrodite, Ares, Chaos and certainly NOT Demeter
for me it's Athena, Dionysus, Artemis and Hermes
why specifically not demeter
She's such a BI-
I don't know much yet about her in-game, but true
Maybe
Although, she is a literal god who owns a mountain
Alongside other gods, of course
I also really liked the part of the game where he said "It's Hades time!" and then hadesed all over the place
Oh oh oh, how can I forget Thanatos
Although, I can't choose to get his boons
Meg is cool
meh
Cruel Thrust - "Although Dash-Strike looks like a thrust, it does not benefit from Cruel Thrust" this is BLASPHEMY
why so many things exclude dash strike :(
dash strike is still a strike
Will I get the 32 heat statue if I beat a 32 heat run, but I haven't beaten a 16 heat run yet?
uhh youll get the 16 and 32 statue
i think
i dont think it goes on individual runs i think it goes off highest heat
Unfortunately went to bed around that time
That was about 5:00am my time
Oh, np
For sword? Because it’d be busted
not only for sword
dash-striking is already your atrongest option
The other weapons don’t have much that doesn’t affect dash-strike
at least not much that doesn’t make sense
Do we get to fight any of the Olympians?
You should get more sleep 
I was a little off saying I went to sleep right then
It was about 2 hours earlier
What with btw
Now that I’m actually a bit more awake
Hermes and chaos (I know you didn’t but bipeks did) respectively here are so weird to mention because you can always get them regardless of anything else going on
“Yeah I typically go for that one god that’s always available”
I know, front facing Than is scary
ok tell me how motives work? This huge vibe thing for main hall? Dance, love, chtonic, prince... I see no difference :?
The themes are for your boon menu/victory screen
O KEJ
now I understand this little angels with bows

Um, did Chaos just tell me to take the egg all the way to the end?
Do I get anything by doing so?
Check your list of minor prophecies
How can I check it during a run?
you can’t
Iirc one will be added for escaping with the egg now
that might only apply after the run is over
Wait, so I can't complete it this run?
me: ah, just one more Hades run tonight, then i'll go to bed
Hades: is letting me pass without fighting him
me: wait what
Persephone: wants to go to the underworld
me: wait what
credits roll
me: WAIT WHAT
and that's how i accidentally stumbled into the end of Hades
Don’t think so
You might be able to
There’s no reason for you to not switch over to egg if you can confidently beat Hades
That's silly, because I'm literally carrying the egg and the chaos gate was in the very first chamber 
Like, I took egg before the run began
The true silly behaviour is starting with egg 
Even then like
0 heat, too
like it’d really just slow your run down for some chaos rarity
compared to starting with damage or pos for even more +% darkness and gemstones (alongside tdash for damage on most weapons)
Nice
How do I calculate my darkness and gemstone quantity buffs?
I have:
- Dark thirst (20%)
- Ocean's bounty (55%)
- Enshrouded eclipse (108%)
- Slothful eclipse (130%)
I notice that they're not purely additive
Additive
It’s just additive
Something's off, then
I bought 14 gemstones from Charon's well and got 50
I should be getting around 57ish
oceans bounty only applies to drops iirc
Unc still got it
Yeah, 413%
@rustic vale
That’s weird
that’s also not strictly multiplicative since iirc
Hades drops 50
if those all multiplied together you’d be hitting way higher
True
How many gems you get from dad again
I think Chaos ones are additive
Oh 50
I’mma be real I’ve never bothered to check if gemstones were strictly additive
I just assumed they were because my priority was darkness for Unseen One
True...
They’d be together
for sure
where is that

think you meant to copy a media link
Yeah
a cool addition to the walk up to Persephone after a run would have been Zagreus calling out for her if we press the Call button
I mean
it only happens up to the credits
Would be a narrow amount of usetime for the feature
I've been going about the Hades fight all wrong
I took all the wrong mirror choices for the fated list and lost 230 health
I usually lose like 800 health throughout the fight
I'm like 4 times better when playing carefully, it seems
Can someone tell me again why family favourite is better?
Also, is dark regeneration better?
its much more reliable, and most apsects you arent consistently getting 2 status effects anyway
and cthonic regen is betetr than dark
i think those r the names
I use the one which gives healing from darkness
But the god pool? I can only have 4 gods
If I get weak and drunk, that's really consistent
Also, omg, it's Chuck from Brawl Stars
lmao
i mean you COULD get weak and hangover yeah, but most weapons dont always want that
considering weak is better on harder hitting slower weapons
and hangover is good the the ones that hit quicker
also youd have to alternate often since you always want it up, which again some aspects dont really do
("Not always" is an understatement, "almost never" would be more accurate)
the single exception I can think of is high heat, where dio can be used on some aspects as an alternative to Zeus, to deal with blue hearts (whether applied by DC2 or saviours). And even so, zeus often has a better average payoff damage-wise. And either way one's not getting weak for the status effect itself, it's more that aphrodite's cores have the best % in the game
i see most ppl use the cthonic regen too but why is that? because i generally prefer the darkness heal at the end of every region compared to the very small heal every chamber
ik it doesn't help in new heat runs but still
1: it does more than you probably think it does. There are at least 50 chambers (more if you don't get the least possible rooms) in a run, so you can get 150 hp or more of value out of it
2: More reliable. You can easily calculate whether you'll have the HP to enter a chaos-gate in the next chamber if the calculation is irrespective of the reward of future chambers
3: you're probably healing to full anyway between regions. In a speedrun context, each fountain heals 40% of your maxhp anyway, and wells exist in each midbiome to make up the rest.
(4: in a high heat context it doesn't matter since LC4 prevents all healing, so most high heat players just have cthonic regen carry over from their time playing anyheat)
Aside from hangover builds, priv status is both really unreliable and usually means you have to do 2 seperate actions where just doing one would kill them before you apply the second debuff
Besides, getting the two status effects required is often a bit out-of-the-way from what you'd want to optimally do. Most good builds only have one of these as a must-have
All for a 15% additive boost over the permanent, no time wasted, no going out of your way to build towards it, family favourites
And thirdly, most status effects in hades 1 are by themselves quite bad, trying to base your damage on having two of them often locks you out of better coreboon options because of available duos
I always build around bosses, I just steamroll everything else
I guess I'm not playing at high enough heat, though
this is not a high heat / anyheat thing. In fact pstat is considered a bit better in high heat than in anyheat, since in anyheat you're either already close to (if not outright) 1-shotting every enemy or the build sucks
(As opposed to 45+ heat where this is no longer true and having good damage output becomes a luxury on many aspects)
Even against bosses like
I can’t think of many good builds that are consistently applying 2 debuffs that last
Also for speed and heat
those first 2 hits are enough on some weapons
it doesn’t make sense to run FF when you’re taking out regular enemies in way fewer hits and usually regular enemies are the larger hurdle
for speed and heat
speed is fun
I would like to get better at heat, though
It is, I enjoyed the runs with tight deadlines
I went back to 32 heat after only speedrunning for a good amount of time and cleared with 9 aspects I had never cleared 32 heat with in the span of like 2 days
Heat makes you feel super tanky when you got to speed makes you idk when you go to heat
I’m not really a fan of the pact building options left after 40 though
So I never really got high into high heat
There’s a few small things with pact but the real question is if you want to take a bite at running stubborn defiance and lasting consequences 4 or not
Whoa, stubborn?
As for aspects, solid choices are
Sword - Nemesis
Spear - Hidden Spear or Achilles
Shield - Zeus or Hidden Shield
Bow - Hidden Bow (or really anything but Chiron)
Fists - Demeter
Rail - Hestia (& Eris)
I don't even want lasting consequences 1
It’s an option
If you plan on going higher than 32 you might as well learn to use it now
LC1 and 2 aren’t even that bad tbh
you still get full hp value from centaur hearts and any defiances
Fair
There’s a full 32 heat guide going pact -> mirror -> builds for each conventional aspect (I want to say literally every aspect but it’s been a hot minute since I read it)
I had already done 32 heat by the time Bananas cooked it up and it was mostly stuff I was usually telling people just actually compiled in one document nicely
I'd love to know the guide for AoZ
Bananas’ 32 Heat Basics Guide Background A lot of people struggle with getting their first 32 heat, and this guide is to make getting that first one a lot easier. It’ll go over pact choices, mirror, and builds. For context, I have a respectable amount of experience with heat. I don’t play high h...
It’s pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies as the latest pin btw
Where are you jumping from?
20 heat?
From 8
oh LMAO

yeah ok go grind up some more resources, it gets exponentially easier with more things unlocked
Ok, so there are only 2 documented 64 heat runs, is that right?
Which aspects?
2 zeus, 1 rama
I have pretty much everything now
I should be the fourth run in about a week's time, no biggie

Can you dilate time to dump like 12000 hours into Hades in 7 days?
12000 💀
light numbers
There’s a reason it’s only like 2 people who have done it unmodded
Pvp in a 2d roguelite
I should watch the runs
Gosh, in the blood is such a good song
Btw t
The number of clears jumps to the double digits if you consider the ones using the speedrun modpack to remove a lot of run-ending or reset-causing rng
Remove the roguelite and turn it into an arena with a loadout of boons
I just want to watch two players battle it out
The amount of balancing you’d need
damage would need to be reduced by like 90% across the board
Hades often has 200x zags hp
I’ve taken them down in 30s
I think I need to take a break from Hades for a week
I probably completed 30 runs this week
Oh
Realistically that’s more like 10-20s based on how long he shields and a single darkness I think
so that’s like what
5-10 zags of hp per second?
Fastest builds in the game that I know of are Merciful End fists or Mirage Shot hidden shield
Mine was a crit-based arthur dash-striking build tbh
I just happened to time it
So not even particularly conventional
But yeah those above, snurst Hera, fds eris
I must say, gilgamesh fists look extremely fun
any tips for aspect of hestia usage?
Rebind the reload key if necessary so it's easier to click (on controller at least it's extremely annoying)
You basically, to my knowledge, only use the empowered shot and special (while reloading)
I'm pretty sure you attack, reload dash and special, repeat
Somebody can correct me on that
And ofc go percentage for attack
Like aphro or Artemis I assume
as long as you don't talk in the h1 channels about h2 stuff, you're all good
many people have not experienced the second game yet and wouldn't want spoilers.
tysm!
i play on nintendo
yeah i get it, thanks for the tips for changing reload keybind
Just talk about H1 stuff here
Okie!
Is that anvil?
I have bought anvil before
Onion?
onyon
You’ve never taken a hit in an Erebus gate have you

You know, I haven't seen Orpheus or Eurydice since like
10 runs ago
Where are they?
you just got unlucky with asphodel, the friendly encounters arent always guaranteed to appear
<@&456908176877551658> Butts! Butts everywhere! 🙀
A bot joined presumably
I see
How about the "c" word?
Crap?
Cowabunga!
So how do I go about gaining favor with the gods to get to the epilogue
I have every single one of the olympian gods at their 7th locked heart
It’s best to check their respective wiki pages and scroll down to their affinity section
Ditto. Every Olympian has a different requirement
Gotcha lol figured it would be more intuitive but I've been stuck at cap for a while
does higher heat reward more darkness?
nope
Ok so why can I not max out dionysus... I have 6 bonds forged but he won't take my ambrosia
He has a little under triple Asterius’s hp
If I’m remembering Asterius hp numbers properly
First impression...?
KARN EVIL 9!!!!!!
Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will let you guys pick the boons and such
What?
No, from what I remember
Unless I'm mistaken, do bosses have the same properties that shielded enemies do?
They can't be staggered correct
(* furies are sometimes a fake boss unfortunately pensive-emoji)
omg I purged a legendary boon for the achievement AND GOT THE BOON AGAIN INSTANTLY
Ok I guess to compensate the game made me go all 5 tunnels of Styx to find the sack for Cerberus
Man waiting for the text to roll to advance these gods affinities is a pia
Just here to vent, pretty sure nothing can be done about this except sink more time into the game.
I was clearing my laptop which was struggling to function due to storage and had to delete steam off of that laptop. Later that day I opened Hades for the first time in a couple of weeks and it rolled back ~100 runs worth of progress. I had at one point alt-F4d sometimes, but I know for a fact that I closed it properly the last time I played. What I think happened is the laptop was storing the most up-to-date version, and when I deleted steam, it lost that version and rolled back to the last saved version on that PC. Thankfully, it saved my achievement progress so I don’t need to re-3 star the keepsakes. I think that the most annoying thing is that I need to is max out the mirror of night again.
if you want there are maxxed saves online, if the need to unlock stuff again is what annoys you.
Thx but I prefer suffering for my consequences.
The save state is the first alt-f4 state I’m pretty sure.
Fraud yesterday
Underrated opinion but hades 1 was lowkey better than the second
I am not saying 2 is bad
But I lowkey loved Zagreus more as a character.
I want my boy back if we were to get a third one, but not possible I suppose.
Wait…
Macaria

Highkey never moved on from H1
No the next one is Poseidon trust
I got hades 1 from my teacher as a birthday gift
Wdym?
and it’s one of his 800 kids escaping the sea
And becoming aprohidite (can’t spell)
Idk
aphrodite




