#h1-discussion

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jade urchin
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It just goes in shiend soo

rotund tangle
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You press cast and it explodes after your bull rush

rustic vale
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To be fair

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without the charged shot hammer

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you’re charging up for a max of 50 base damage

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which is like a worse bow shot

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charged shot makes it 80 base damage no matter how much you charge it which makes it really effective

jade urchin
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What other hammers good

mint coral
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For zag shield pulverizing blow is fine

radiant ingot
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I beat hades in 9 runs, this game is so peak

mint coral
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Damn

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Ggs

safe drift
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WHEN WAS ANYONE GONNA TELL ME ZAGREUS HAD A SPIRIT IN SMASH BROS???

mint coral
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Oh yeah that's a thing lol

safe drift
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they made him suck tho, he only has one support slot crybaby

grim arrow
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Which companion is best for casual players (I'm currently doing 15-20 heat runs)? I've been using Thanatos' one but I know a lot of people prefer Meg's?

mint coral
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there's a bunch of set ups to hit stuff like witches circle with meg too

jovial flicker
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Yeah megs is generally the best

mint coral
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sisyphus's has a niche for farming extra darkness

grim arrow
mint coral
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ideally you use it in styx

grim arrow
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I guess that's 10 * 5 every run

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plus any bonuses yeah

mint coral
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after getting a bunch of chaos's darkness boons

grim arrow
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PLUS spindle

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Might start using it until my mirror is maxed out then actually

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thanks for your help!

manic finch
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OMFGS

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I LOVE THE FISTS

valid widget
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Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will take any advice from you guys

finite oxide
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can cerberus be romanced? is this true

spring zinc
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31 Clears to beat the main story Hades2Fire

hasty orchid
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hey there

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how are you all doing ?

lyric dew
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i did not know that wow that is something

hollow blaze
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Zagreus for smash real?

south maple
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REALLL

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And Melinoë

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The dynamic, choatic duo

south maple
south maple
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Also Mahito STINKS

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He REEKS

manic finch
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true

south maple
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Okay

south maple
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Why is The Exalted the best track

valid widget
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Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will let you guys pic the boons and such

south maple
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Man I still wish I had my PS4 running now lol

jade urchin
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I have a weird question I noticed if I slowly increase heat with a weapon I keep getting items like blood ambrosia etc. If I do high heat and get back lower heat ones can I still get rewards?

rotund tangle
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Yes if it says 8 heat and you do 24 heat, it fulfills the rewards for 8 heat and next will be 9 heat

jade urchin
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Oh I see so It is also for all swords than not only one aspect

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Alright thank you

jade urchin
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What us aura damage reduction on aspect of arthur? It doesnt explain

mint coral
jade urchin
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That sounds op

mint coral
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Is aight

jade urchin
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I just unlock

mint coral
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is still arthur

jade urchin
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It looks kinda slow tho

sour dove
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Arthur is slow but it does a good chunk of damage and is quite fun for me. It's a slow and powerful instead of a quick and weak weapon

mint coral
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It has big numbers but by the time the big swing comes out most weapons already matched that dmg lol

grim arrow
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Do buffs from keepsakes like the plume and the pierced butterfly remain after I unequip them?

grim arrow
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They DONT?

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that sucks

mint coral
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Stuff like collar or lucky tooth also don't

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But yeah plume/butterfly bad

radiant ingot
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How do you unlock aspects? Google isn’t giving a straight answer

grim arrow
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You need to unlock the final weapon (the gun) and then they become unlockable via spending Titan Blood in the courtyard

grim arrow
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I figured plume/butterfly would be different since they give kinda tiny buffs as a reward for doing something difficult

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I shan't be using them again then

rotund tangle
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Yeah the Hermes keepsake in H2 is way better implemented

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The keepsake in H2 most similar to Than's is... not good but at least it keeps working after switching lol

mint coral
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(it opens rush delivery/his legendary)

manic finch
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wtf is Theseus doing in Elysium.
Dude does not deserve to be there

grim arrow
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Yes he does he's the greatest

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He's so kind

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and humble

jagged hamlet
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Elysium is for the great, and ain't no better heel than Theseus

manic finch
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Theseus is a real not nice person

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in the myths

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like in the the beginning, yes

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towards the end total a hole

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I can't say the whole word for some reason

jagged hamlet
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Serious question: does the underworld care more about your character or your billionaire status worldly accomplishments?

mint coral
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yeah elysium is less "good people" more big feats

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if it was to hades's opinion it would be less crowded

wise token
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he sucks

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i hate him

manic finch
wise token
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i was like HOW

manic finch
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like

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dionisos

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you're helping your wife's ex

wise token
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(WHO WAS ALSO A BASTARD TO HER BTW)

manic finch
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wtf

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you can say bastard but not a hole?

wise token
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yes apparently

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you also cant say buck with an f

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see

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bastard also isnt that much of a swear word anyway

grim arrow
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That's craaazy

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To be fair the gods all seem to hate theseus too

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they help him pretty reluctantly

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poseidon DEFINITELY hates him

jagged hamlet
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It's hard to talk about Greek mythology without "bastard" shadesmile

shadow finch
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how i change my hades language

lavish sorrel
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main menu -> settings -> language

compact laurel
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Dude

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I hate the slammer variant of Lerner

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SO GOD DAMN MUCH

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aaaaaaaa

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Cmon literally half the screen gets flooded with like 0.5 seconds of reaction time falling rocks

jagged hamlet
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You'll Lernie to love her soon enough

compact laurel
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I love her BESIDES that god damn variant

rustic vale
rustic vale
mint coral
rustic vale
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Iirc you can get fists after rail

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both are available for purchase at the same time

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are they not?

mint coral
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not that I remember

manic finch
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I just recently started playing

rustic vale
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Misremembered

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It’s been a couple hundred hours since I had to purchase the weapons

placid ibex
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so uhh

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what do i do now that i finished the main story

grizzled field
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guys, you reccomend me get 100% on h1 to play h2? i got 60hr already and 51% achievements

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srry for bad english im brazilian

rustic vale
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like maxing relationships and buying everything else, making your way up to playing high heat or playing for speed

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If you like the gameplay

rustic vale
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100% of Hades itself outside of achievements is going to add like 400 hours compared to just doing all the achievements ngl

compact laurel
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How do I unlock the last heart for bonds? Zeus just automatically let me but no one else is letting give them the ambrosia

rustic vale
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their respect favour can be found on their fandom wiki page under the “affinity” section

jade urchin
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What weapons best for no boon challanges?

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I wanna try that lol

lusty idol
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good defense but im new so 🤷‍♂️

rotund tangle
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Hestia and Beowulf

jade urchin
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Whenever I tried shield It felt very weak tho

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I probably dont know how to use lol

lusty idol
lusty idol
jade urchin
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But how do you get no booms in beginin there are boons lol

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Does It just let me continue?

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I'll probably try fists first

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It kinda makes you choose boon you want or not

rotund tangle
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Take as few boons as possible (3 or less per region) then sell them after bosses

jade urchin
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Oh... that works?

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So I can still choose as long as I sell

rustic vale
jade urchin
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Is chaos still a boon ?

rustic vale
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Chaos isn’t purgeable

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so you’re safe taking stuff from him

rustic vale
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yep

jade urchin
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Oh thank you

lavish sorrel
jade urchin
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Hermes is also needs to be sold right?

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He is olympian

jade urchin
jade urchin
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Guys I need help I did a boonless run but at last I have to choose a boon door

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And It is lock Im not able to pass without getting thr boon

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Is there something I can do

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I mean last shrine on satyr gate

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It was on a boon door lol

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I think nothing to do?

rotund tangle
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Yeah that's just unlucky

rustic vale
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otherwise

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there isn’t much you can do

jade urchin
opaque vine
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Anyone got games that is similar to hades ? Played splintered fate but is there any other ones that are good?

lone kernel
opaque vine
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I enjoyed tmnt spintered fate also, very similar to hades

opaque grove
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After 52 attempts, i was able to complete 11 runs.
My question: is it worth to keep playing regarding the story?

grim arrow
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The story continues WELL past getting Persephone home

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There's still a lot to do with befriending characters and unlocking those stories, plus you can become more powerful and also aim for other completion goals such as prophecies

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The game does also have an official 'epilogue' (doesn't mean you can't play past it) which you'll find out more about soon if you keep playing

opaque vine
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So there is a lot of currencies and i understand the meaning with them but does the heart requirements ever stop or is it endless because ive given so many to one character and it keeps showing more empty hearts

opaque vine
rustic vale
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iirc Hypnos has a pretty length story arc with Thanatos that needs to be completed by just doing dialogue

opaque vine
rustic vale
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you just said “her”, so I wanted to verify

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It’s a pretty common misunderstanding ngl

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Hypnos and Orpheus are both confused for girls pretty often

opaque vine
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So i need to complete some sort of quest to access the last one?

spring zinc
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Man I've never played a game more fit for the steam deck than hades

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So pumped to get onto hades 2, hades got me putting more hours in a game that I have in a while

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The one more run is hooked deep into my soul

rocky wasp
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if i unequip shackle keepsake after i complete a biome, will its effect last?

rotund tangle
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No

jagged hamlet
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No

rocky wasp
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k

spring zinc
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If theres an infernal and a chaos gate in the same room can I do the infernal first and still get chaos?

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That would be a nooo

jagged hamlet
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Infernal Gates are doodoo

spring zinc
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Really wat??

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That was my first one lol

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What it just gives you one extra room reward? Are the next rooms guaranteed elite

vast raven
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infernal (or erebus) gates are good, they just can be difficult given you need to not take damage to get the reward, also its not that it’s an extra room reward it still progresses the chamber count as normal, for tartarus as an example there are 12 chambers before your endshop/end reward being offered before you fight one of the furies

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and no the rooms after arent changes at all

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unless you count the already increasing biome depth just as you progress further ig

latent moon
# spring zinc Really wat??

it either gives a double heart/pom or improved rarity on boons, but needing to do it hitless is kinda just a pain in the ass and generally not worth doing most of the time

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having to do them hitless is really difficult depending on the enemies as well

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butterfly ball is a possibility iirc, flamewheels as well

spring zinc
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Oh gotcha so it's not even an extra room reward, that makes sense then

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It's elite reward if you can complete hitless, you get hit you just lose health and room reward xD

jagged hamlet
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Very high risk with not that great a reward

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Especially in Elysium: those are bananas

high onyx
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n there’s nothing more humiliating than losing an erebus gate to a flame wheel

jagged hamlet
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There's nothing to be embarrassed about! Those things are absolute menaces

high onyx
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returning to the first game after marathoning h2 for a month lets see how rusty i am

frozen lion
jagged hamlet
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Greg Kasavin knew what he was doing...

gaunt crater
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My lambent plume is at 18%

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Does this mean that I have a 38% dodge chance?

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Oh, and I also have 50% quick recovery

gaunt crater
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With the temple of styx, I could possibly go up to 60% or something

latent moon
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nah it only applies at the end of the the final chamber of the tunnel

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so at max it can only get upgraded 5 times in styx

gaunt crater
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Oh, sorry for the language

gaunt crater
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Can you tell me what Patroclus' deal is? He always seems bothered to see us

latent moon
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atm he just wants to be left alone lmao

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you're intruding on his alone time

gaunt crater
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Oh lol

gaunt crater
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Alongside quick recovery

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Putting me at an estimated 2000 health with my death defianced

latent moon
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i mean that's assuming you clear every chamber fast enough

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also assuming you'll get every quick recovery proc

gaunt crater
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Oh, it's one timer for 5 chambers?

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Proc?

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I just got different league. too

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15%

latent moon
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you're assuming you'll clear every chamber fast enough to get to 45%

gaunt crater
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Ah

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Just got bronze skin

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I'm basically immortal

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Which keepsake do speedrunners and high heat players use?

lavish sorrel
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Keepsakes, plural

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Every good keepsake is only good in some situations. It's impossible to overly generalize and that that one specific keepsake is the best at everything in every situation. Some are however significantly more commonly used than others.

jagged hamlet
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The standard keepsake rotation for speed is

important Olympian's keepsake #2 ->
Hourglass/Acorn ->
Acorn/Earring/something```
gaunt crater
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I assumes one would use multiple boon keepsakes

jagged hamlet
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I'm looking forward to the essay 👀

latent moon
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speedrunners typically take hourglass or acorn into ely, or purse, sometimes a god keepsake depending on circumstances/build

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into styx, acorn to keep up high confidence
hades sigil if your build has incredibly high burst potential like castpects and ME

gaunt crater
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I wanted to get 100% dodge chance and become immortal

latent moon
jagged hamlet
gaunt crater
latent moon
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like if you have a good pace but build is suffering

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or to just take the money to have for styx or next mid biome well

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for high heat, it's pretty similar 2 god keepsakes -> acorn -> acorn generally for most people

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tooth into asphodel is pretty common for higher heats

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earring at higher heats for damage

lavish sorrel
# jagged hamlet The standard keepsake rotation for speed is ```important Olympian's keepsake #1...

Anyheat:
ZAP: poseidon + zeus + (artemis or aphrodite)
ME: (athena & ares)
Bone hourglass is almost always best to use in elysium
%damage:
Hades call can be fine to use in styx to go faster, but is sometimes (on aspects with long attack animations) outclassed by the acorn.

High heat:
ZAP is still good
ME is generally a bit unreliable above like 32 to low 40s
Dio keepsake (for attack) gains some use on melee-weapons, but is still considered weaker than zeus
Athena keepsake gains some extra value and is often started with (meta)
Zeus keepsake opens jolted and lets the player deal with damage control better, and is hence a meta-option
Aphrodite can be used in place of athena in many cases, trading deflect for some extra damage
Skull earring sees some use, usually equipped for asphodel, and sometimes kept through elysium too if tight deadline gets tight
Tooth can be used in asphodel / elysium for extra safety against rooms
Acorn is almost always used in elysium and styx (especially styx)
Collar is a weird one but I see some occasional usecases for it entering asphodel, if you're low on max-hp at the time, and are good on tight deadline pace

high onyx
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i keep forgetting acorn last for multiple regions

jagged hamlet
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Yay essay!

latent moon
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hourglass if well items are good and you want to be baller

lavish sorrel
rustic vale
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am taking hourglass rn

gaunt crater
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Um, I have shadow slash on aspect of arthur

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And it simply doesn't work a lot of the time?

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I keep getting the backstab notification, but not triple damage

rustic vale
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It’s +200% additive

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on top of your other additive buffs

gaunt crater
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It's triple rn, because I don't have anything else

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It's just giving me base damage and it activates sometimes

raw herald
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Is shadow slash the one that doesn’t apply to dash strikes, i can never remember

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Might be that

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Also you likely have at least some additive damage from the mirror

raw herald
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unc still got it

gaunt crater
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Wait, it just says attack

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Oh, it doesn't

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Ah, that was my mistake

gaunt crater
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If I do a 24 heat run, will I get both the 16 and 24 heat statues?

rustic vale
gaunt crater
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Oh?

rustic vale
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it's 32

gaunt crater
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Oh 💀

rustic vale
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it's like the one weapon where some hammers that say attack mean both

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and some don't

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like bow it's very clear that ALL your strike hammers affect both strikes and dash-strikes

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and on the opposite side, on fists it's very clear which ones only affect standing strikes vs dash-strikes

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sword is the only one that really mixes it up where some slash hammers affect both dash-strikes and standing strikes (breaching slash, hoarding slash), while some only affect standing strikes (cursed slash, shadow slash)

gaunt crater
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Is there some bug with fish that pull on the first tug?

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This is the second time I'm losing the fish, even though I KNOW I've pressed the key

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I pressed it like thrice

gaunt crater
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Well, it happened only on these two times that it was a first tug

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I thought my key was faulty

gaunt crater
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I have many questions

  • What does the god gauge charge rate depend on? Aspect of Arthur charges so much slower then Aspect of Zeus
  • Which rare treasure should I keep converting? Eventually, the others will become bottlenecks
  • Should I crank up my heat? I'm easily able to keep a streak and I always buy the rare treasure in the Styx shop, along with 4/5 other items
rustic vale
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lemme put a pin in that

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all damage in a hit above 60

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is square rooted

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so 64 is effectively 62, 96 (60 + 6^2) is effectively 66 (60 + 6)

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so your big arthur hits are far less efficient

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Whenever you take damage, you also gain charge gauge equal to 60% of the relative % of your max hp you lost

gaunt crater
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Ahhh, I see

rustic vale
gaunt crater
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More questions

  • Where can I see the life totals of every boss?
  • Which Chthonic companion should I use? Meg's or Dusa's?
rustic vale
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megs

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by a long shot

gaunt crater
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Ok

rustic vale
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life totals for each boss

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Wiki should have them

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the only one I bother to remember is Hades being 17k hp per health bar

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I think Theseus is around 10k and Asterius is around 12 or 13

rustic vale
gaunt crater
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But blood would just lie there, no?

rustic vale
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Diamonds are the easiest of the rarer rewards to farm out

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Aspects alone are 306 blood total

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not to mention the one victory theme if you want it

rustic vale
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If you’re doing pretty comfortably (which it sounds like you are)

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1 more heat this early

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is nothing

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you have 80 trillion options to pick from

gaunt crater
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Right now, I'm doing all the weapons of the same heat level before moving to the next

rustic vale
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Bounties from bosses end at 20 heat for each weapon so that’s a total of 252 titans blood from bounties

little lark
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Hello Hades 1 discussion

gaunt crater
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I'm at 3 heat on every weapon

rustic vale
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+~40 from prophecies

little lark
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What are you up to today?

gaunt crater
rustic vale
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so you’re going to need to outsource at least a few other titans bloods

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from renewable sources

little lark
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NOOOO

gaunt crater
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I've done too many runs today and yesterday

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I think 15

little lark
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12 hours that one that

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It was an enthralling experience

rustic vale
little lark
rustic vale
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I was looking to figure out how many shots miss lightning by getting extra attack speed on rail

little lark
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I just play and learn from my runs

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It feels more fun that way

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I get to KILL THINGS

rustic vale
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I’m at the point where there isn’t much to learn from just dojng runs

little lark
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Which is pretty fun I think

gaunt crater
rustic vale
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I kill lots of things and fast zagmad

gaunt crater
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Zagmad

little lark
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Listen man

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I just play and kill things

rustic vale
little lark
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I don't understand any of this mathalgebrology

rustic vale
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Zthere isn’t much basic stuff for me to figure out anymore about boons

gaunt crater
little lark
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I got my first sub 20 minutes with it

rustic vale
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It’s mainly just me needing to group enemies and handle enemy spawns better I think atp to get faster times

gaunt crater
rustic vale
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Eh

little lark
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I think 0.1% would be like

rustic vale
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How many copies has hades sold?

little lark
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People who speedrun the game

rustic vale
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Top 0.1% is only best in 1000 so I’d be willing to say that given how much I assume Hades has sold

rustic vale
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😁

gaunt crater
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I'm the best, though

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Did a 128 heat run yesterday

rustic vale
gaunt crater
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It involves irl restrictions

autumn jewel
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just ap3 things dw

little lark
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Did you burn yourself irl?

gaunt crater
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Play with one hand, +10 heat

little lark
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Every time you get hit, a searing iron is pressed against your skin

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To represent the pain Zagreus feels

gaunt crater
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Yes

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That's 6 heat

little lark
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Only 6?

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That's at least 10

autumn jewel
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permadeath irl omg

little lark
rustic vale
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well yeah

gaunt crater
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No death defiance irl zagcry

rustic vale
little lark
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You're made of paper

gaunt crater
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Oh, shackle IS the paper dino

rustic vale
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Do you not have a respawn menu when you die?

little lark
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I tried /gamemode creative but unfortunately I don't have OP

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Anyway

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Back to Hades

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Uhhh

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My highest beaten Heat atm is 9

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Trying to beat EM4 Hades

autumn jewel
gaunt crater
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Is aspect of Zeus a top 3 aspect?

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Zeus special boon on it is absolutely broken

little lark
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Basically

autumn jewel
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it cleared 64 heat unmodded so in high heat yeah

little lark
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One of the few aspects that have a recorded 64 Heat completion

autumn jewel
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hera bow can only imagine zagcry

little lark
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As much as I wanna strive to be the best player

rustic vale
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One of 2 unmodded atm iirc

little lark
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Having fun with the game is enough for me

little lark
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Are they like

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QoL mods?

rustic vale
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Speedrun modpack is the only officially acceptable one

gaunt crater
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Oh, there have only been 2 64 heat runs?

little lark
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It's like

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The Zagreus Sword aspect

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And Zeus

rustic vale
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it lets you kill yourself instantly / gives you 4 choices at the start so you don’t have to reset for the one you want

lavish sorrel
rustic vale
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it basically just removes a bunch of reset points completely outside of your control

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so you can just focus on the speedrunning

lavish sorrel
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no, it's 2x Zeus, 1x Rama

little lark
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My bad

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I was googling the first victor that one time

autumn jewel
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so the modpack modifies gameplay but you can say it's a QoL mod

rustic vale
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Guan-Yu hasn’t cleared unmodded yet?

little lark
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And I vaguely remember them mentioning a sword

rustic vale
little lark
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Since like

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Immediate sustain in Hades is really good

rustic vale
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eh

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sustain when you’re taking 2c damage is half as effective already

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plus you’re on a time limit you can’t just stall out indefinitely

lavish sorrel
# little lark And I vaguely remember them mentioning a sword

someone gave 64 modded arthur like a week of attempts but this aspect is unfortunately hot garbage the millisecond it goes above 60. nemesis has also cleared 60 modded, but will never do 64 either. zagsword is bad nemesis. poseidon sword is bad zagsword

rustic vale
autumn jewel
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I love wasting my time on animations

lavish sorrel
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thanks arthur / gilgamesh

rustic vale
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I can’t imagine them coding everything so strictly for hammers and then going “lets just break our pattern differently for swift strike in particular”

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btw this does mean that attack speed bonuses result in more attacks than you would think

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Common is like 11% more/s but heroic would be like 66%

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I’d need to take a look at the code to verify that for swift strike but I really find it hard to imagine

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that they’d convert to attacks per second for the hermes boons

lavish sorrel
rustic vale
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yeah

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true

lavish sorrel
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and it's not like it's that good comparatively anyway since RD / +dashes exists

rustic vale
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bow has it’s stupid drop animation

rustic vale
lavish sorrel
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crazy behavior

rustic vale
#

So you can’t pull a chiron/concentrated volley swift flourish

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with concentrated knuckle

#

I tried

gaunt crater
#

I just got bone hourglass

#

That's an insane keepsake omg

rustic vale
#

You fire off like 5 attacks in 0.1s and then wait a full 0.5s for the rest of it

#

Bone Hourglass is my new favourite keepsake

lavish sorrel
gaunt crater
#

You could just use fated and keep buying stuff

rustic vale
#

I can’t just rename myself bone hourglass and dissolve years of brand image can I

gaunt crater
#

How do I get hidden fists?

#

That's the only one I'm missing

rustic vale
#

Asterius is your guy

#

same as the other weapons but you need to talk to him in his miniboss chamber by himself

gaunt crater
#

Ah

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Should I be wearing the fists?

rustic vale
#

Yes

#

you’re going to need him to acknowledge you using the fists first iirc

#

after that you can use any weapon

rustic vale
# lavish sorrel poshboy is that you

Unironically atp if I go to start up a new account somewhere and my conventional username is taken, I’ll use Shackle, but if Shackle is taken, I’ll use Hourglass

autumn jewel
#

『Hourglass』

rustic vale
#

I can’t use those for permanent usernames

#

too hard to reliably source

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if I don’t want to copy and paste from elsewhere

#

I guess I could figure out which keyboard they’re on

autumn jewel
#

it's chinese double quotation marks I think

rotund tangle
#

Yeah my phone's japanese keyboard has them not doubled

rustic vale
#

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

#

#

『』

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You’re right

#

That’s so cool

#

yet another reason for me to have like 15 keyboards on my phone

#

Ωπ

autumn jewel
#

it's a blessing to be able to type all the greek letters on demand

rustic vale
#

Right?

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Or pop out a Þorn

gaunt crater
#

Aphrodite and Poseidon special on AoZ is such a scam

rustic vale
#

Aphrodite special on aspect of zeus is not a scam

#

pos special yes

gaunt crater
#

And Poseidon's literally harms it, because it pushes them away

autumn jewel
#

I hate that I always read the thorn as p

rustic vale
gaunt crater
rustic vale
#

Eh

#

one get’s pretty major value from explosive return

#

way more than the other

#

it’s a matter of trade-offs

#

Plus weak is just a strong debuff icl

gaunt crater
#

True

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Weak is cool

gaunt crater
#

I've played too much Hades zagcry

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My back hurts

manic finch
gaunt crater
#

Yes, I should

#

Although, in this case, it's probably because I sat for a total of what feels like 12 hours

brazen vault
#

As too much Hades

lavish sorrel
#

idkman I feel like some players have played too much Hades for their own good

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(Though granted, only few ever reach that point, at least to the extent I am talking about)

rotund tangle
#

Is 350 hours between both games in 2 months the "too much" that you speak of

gaunt crater
#

😭 I think so

lavish sorrel
rotund tangle
#

Damn what were you grinding at that time

#

Speedrun or heat

lavish sorrel
#

That's what I did for hestia 59 and unmodded zeus 62, a week and a half each

#

I'm glad that's over

#

But yeah, I believe there is such a thing as playing too much hades and I highly recommend no-one do it, for their own sake

rustic vale
#

with 0 breaks from Hades

lavish sorrel
#

I was pulling all-nighters half the time, and regularly forgetting to eat. Didn't have classes at the time since I was on break, meaning I had the time to do this

#

It really was not good

#

AAAAAANYWAY. Hades. Great game.

gaunt crater
#

I was quick enough

#

There was a good half second between me pressing the key fully and it disappearing

#

I get perfect catches a third of the time, so I'm not slow either

#

Why is everyone heart reacting my messages all of a sudden 😭

#

Across 3 different platforms

brazen vault
#

Why does Charon hit SO HARD

jagged hamlet
#

Cause he rows all day and all night

wary sphinx
little lark
#

He is a chthonic god after all

gaunt crater
#

Um, does rare crop make all future boon choices common?

#

The last 18 choices were common wtf zagcry

#

I have the mirror stuff for epic boons, what is this nonsense omg

#

Finally, 1 singular epic boon

#

1/24 choices

#

Genuinely awful luck

gaunt crater
#

Ok, so I just did have bad luck

rustic vale
gaunt crater
#

I've become pretty good that I don't let any Elysium warriors spawn in the butterfly room

gaunt crater
#

If that makes a difference

#

Also, my rerolls across all runs are giving me 1 or 2 of the same choices pretty often

#

As if they're not actually rerolling

rustic vale
rustic vale
gaunt crater
#

I see

rustic vale
#

It’s not impossible to get 1-2 of the choices back just unlikely for 2 of them

#

fairly likely for 1

rustic vale
rustic vale
#

But it’s not a documented bug

gaunt crater
#

Note to self: never buy the rare treasure before checking the tunnels

#

I lost out on a DD

rustic vale
rustic vale
#

everything else is either objectively the better option, or a decent pick of two equally usable options

gaunt crater
#

Gold touch is bad?

#

I get a lot of gold from it

#

Way more than 100

rustic vale
#

it’s far more useful for you to spend your obols as you get them

#

Having 100 extra obols for tartarus means you’re fair more likely to be able to afford a boon from the tart midshop

#

which will let you get your god pool in order

gaunt crater
#

I want to buy rare treasures at the Styx shop zagluv

rustic vale
#

That’s pretty much the only case for it

#

Even then

gaunt crater
rustic vale
#

as you pick up boons from regular olympians (not hermes or Chaos), they are added to your god pool

#

Once you get to 4 gods, you only see those 4 from regular boons

#

no, selling boons doesn’t remove them from the god pool

#

so most of the time you want 1-2 (sometimes 3) specific gods for a build and so you typically want to keep your god pool open to get those important ones

#

And then close it off asap to double your boon consistency

#

Taking that early midshop lets you browse for maybe a god you want for your build really early which is a lot of utility

gaunt crater
rustic vale
#

if the god pool didn’t exist, build creation would be like impossible

#

You wouldn’t be consistently getting boons from the same gods to make something strong

rustic vale
#

When you aren’t farming boss drop resources from styx shop

#

it makes far more sense to use your obols as you get them and then you get like 0 value from golden touch

#

Whether you’re playing speed or heat, getting stronger earlier means you will accomplish your goal (winning faster vs winning at all) far more of the time

little lark
#

You get more of a god's favor, and in turn, they're more likely to reward you

#

It's the same reason why certain Boons can only be obtained once you gave specific Boons already in your slots

#

They're called "Boon offerings" or whatever

gaunt crater
#

I just go for the attractive gods

gaunt crater
#

@rustic vale I need some help

#

Ok, so 32 heat is impossible

manic finch
gaunt crater
#

Artemis, Aphrodite, Chaos, Dionysus (sometimes) and certainly NOT Demeter

#

Scratch that, not Dionysus

#

Add Ares instead

#

Artemis, Aphrodite, Ares, Chaos and certainly NOT Demeter

manic finch
#

for me it's Athena, Dionysus, Artemis and Hermes

manic finch
gaunt crater
#

She's such a BI-

manic finch
#

I don't know much yet about her in-game, but true

gaunt crater
#

Yes

#

She's so annoying

manic finch
#

Aphrodite lowkey should put clothes on

#

like

#

you'll catch a cold

gaunt crater
#

Maybe

#

Although, she is a literal god who owns a mountain

#

Alongside other gods, of course

manic finch
#

I also really liked the part of the game where he said "It's Hades time!" and then hadesed all over the place

gaunt crater
#

He did that many times

#

Preventing me from finding Persephone

gaunt crater
#

Although, I can't choose to get his boons

manic finch
#

Meg is cool

manic finch
#

meh

fierce aurora
#

Cruel Thrust - "Although Dash-Strike looks like a thrust, it does not benefit from Cruel Thrust" this is BLASPHEMY

#

why so many things exclude dash strike :(

#

dash strike is still a strike

wind birch
#

it gets easier

gaunt crater
#

Will I get the 32 heat statue if I beat a 32 heat run, but I haven't beaten a 16 heat run yet?

wind birch
#

uhh youll get the 16 and 32 statue

#

i think

#

i dont think it goes on individual runs i think it goes off highest heat

rustic vale
#

That was about 5:00am my time

gaunt crater
#

Oh, np

rustic vale
fierce aurora
rustic vale
#

dash-striking is already your atrongest option

#

The other weapons don’t have much that doesn’t affect dash-strike

#

at least not much that doesn’t make sense

gaunt crater
#

Do we get to fight any of the Olympians?

gaunt crater
rustic vale
#

It was about 2 hours earlier

rustic vale
#

Now that I’m actually a bit more awake

rustic vale
#

“Yeah I typically go for that one god that’s always available”

rustic vale
gaunt crater
#

I'll have to remember

urban zenith
#

ok tell me how motives work? This huge vibe thing for main hall? Dance, love, chtonic, prince... I see no difference :?

mint coral
urban zenith
#

now I understand this little angels with bows

gaunt crater
#

Um, did Chaos just tell me to take the egg all the way to the end?

#

Do I get anything by doing so?

rustic vale
gaunt crater
#

How can I check it during a run?

rustic vale
#

you can’t

#

Iirc one will be added for escaping with the egg now

#

that might only apply after the run is over

gaunt crater
#

I did get that, yes

#

It said prophecy foretold

gaunt crater
heady temple
#

me: ah, just one more Hades run tonight, then i'll go to bed
Hades: is letting me pass without fighting him
me: wait what
Persephone: wants to go to the underworld
me: wait what
credits roll
me: WAIT WHAT

and that's how i accidentally stumbled into the end of Hades

rustic vale
#

You might be able to

#

There’s no reason for you to not switch over to egg if you can confidently beat Hades

gaunt crater
#

That's silly, because I'm literally carrying the egg and the chaos gate was in the very first chamber melcry

#

Like, I took egg before the run began

rustic vale
gaunt crater
#

Oh, I'm doing a gemstone run

#

That's why

rustic vale
#

Even then like

gaunt crater
#

0 heat, too

rustic vale
#

like it’d really just slow your run down for some chaos rarity

#

compared to starting with damage or pos for even more +% darkness and gemstones (alongside tdash for damage on most weapons)

gaunt crater
#

How do I calculate my darkness and gemstone quantity buffs?

#

I have:

  • Dark thirst (20%)
  • Ocean's bounty (55%)
  • Enshrouded eclipse (108%)
  • Slothful eclipse (130%)
#

I notice that they're not purely additive

gaunt crater
#

Something's off, then

#

I bought 14 gemstones from Charon's well and got 50

#

I should be getting around 57ish

rustic vale
#

oceans bounty only applies to drops iirc

gaunt crater
#

Ohhhh

#

Yes, you're right

rustic vale
#

look at the math for your darkness

#

that’s what about 412% of 400?

rustic vale
#

That’s weird

#

that’s also not strictly multiplicative since iirc

#

Hades drops 50

#

if those all multiplied together you’d be hitting way higher

gaunt crater
#

True

mint coral
#

How many gems you get from dad again

gaunt crater
#

I think Chaos ones are additive

mint coral
#

Oh 50

rustic vale
#

50

#

That’s way more than 413% of 50

gaunt crater
#

I checked my values again, they're correct

#

Idk how I'm getting this amount

rustic vale
#

I’mma be real I’ve never bothered to check if gemstones were strictly additive

#

I just assumed they were because my priority was darkness for Unseen One

gaunt crater
#

True...

rustic vale
#

for sure

#

where is that

rustic vale
#

think you meant to copy a media link

gaunt crater
#

Yes

#

Damn it

#

Ughhhhh

#

Now I can't send it

rustic vale
#

I tried rearranging the amounts

#

I can’t get it up to 277

#

that’s so weird

gaunt crater
#

Cgpt did it

#

Can I send you the image in dms?

rustic vale
#

Yeah

north panther
#

a cool addition to the walk up to Persephone after a run would have been Zagreus calling out for her if we press the Call button

rustic vale
#

it only happens up to the credits

#

Would be a narrow amount of usetime for the feature

north panther
#

that is true too

#

just felt like it would make the ending hit harder

gaunt crater
#

I've been going about the Hades fight all wrong

#

I took all the wrong mirror choices for the fated list and lost 230 health

#

I usually lose like 800 health throughout the fight

#

I'm like 4 times better when playing carefully, it seems

#

Can someone tell me again why family favourite is better?

#

Also, is dark regeneration better?

jovial flicker
#

and cthonic regen is betetr than dark

#

i think those r the names

gaunt crater
#

I use the one which gives healing from darkness

gaunt crater
#

If I get weak and drunk, that's really consistent

#

Also, omg, it's Chuck from Brawl Stars

jovial flicker
#

lmao

#

i mean you COULD get weak and hangover yeah, but most weapons dont always want that

#

considering weak is better on harder hitting slower weapons

#

and hangover is good the the ones that hit quicker

#

also youd have to alternate often since you always want it up, which again some aspects dont really do

lavish sorrel
#

the single exception I can think of is high heat, where dio can be used on some aspects as an alternative to Zeus, to deal with blue hearts (whether applied by DC2 or saviours). And even so, zeus often has a better average payoff damage-wise. And either way one's not getting weak for the status effect itself, it's more that aphrodite's cores have the best % in the game

north panther
#

ik it doesn't help in new heat runs but still

lavish sorrel
# north panther i see most ppl use the cthonic regen too but why is that? because i generally pr...

1: it does more than you probably think it does. There are at least 50 chambers (more if you don't get the least possible rooms) in a run, so you can get 150 hp or more of value out of it
2: More reliable. You can easily calculate whether you'll have the HP to enter a chaos-gate in the next chamber if the calculation is irrespective of the reward of future chambers
3: you're probably healing to full anyway between regions. In a speedrun context, each fountain heals 40% of your maxhp anyway, and wells exist in each midbiome to make up the rest.

#

(4: in a high heat context it doesn't matter since LC4 prevents all healing, so most high heat players just have cthonic regen carry over from their time playing anyheat)

rustic vale
lavish sorrel
#

Besides, getting the two status effects required is often a bit out-of-the-way from what you'd want to optimally do. Most good builds only have one of these as a must-have

rustic vale
#

All for a 15% additive boost over the permanent, no time wasted, no going out of your way to build towards it, family favourites

lavish sorrel
#

And thirdly, most status effects in hades 1 are by themselves quite bad, trying to base your damage on having two of them often locks you out of better coreboon options because of available duos

gaunt crater
lavish sorrel
#

(As opposed to 45+ heat where this is no longer true and having good damage output becomes a luxury on many aspects)

rustic vale
#

I can’t think of many good builds that are consistently applying 2 debuffs that last

#

Also for speed and heat

#

those first 2 hits are enough on some weapons

#

it doesn’t make sense to run FF when you’re taking out regular enemies in way fewer hits and usually regular enemies are the larger hurdle

#

for speed and heat

gaunt crater
#

I can see that, yeah

#

I don't think I'll ever focus on speed

rustic vale
#

speed is fun

gaunt crater
#

I would like to get better at heat, though

rustic vale
#

getting better at one usually makes you better at the other

gaunt crater
rustic vale
#

I went back to 32 heat after only speedrunning for a good amount of time and cleared with 9 aspects I had never cleared 32 heat with in the span of like 2 days

#

Heat makes you feel super tanky when you got to speed makes you idk when you go to heat

#

I’m not really a fan of the pact building options left after 40 though

#

So I never really got high into high heat

gaunt crater
#

I'd like to do a 32 heat run

#

Soon

#

Maybe

#

What aspect and pacts should I go for?

rustic vale
# gaunt crater Maybe

There’s a few small things with pact but the real question is if you want to take a bite at running stubborn defiance and lasting consequences 4 or not

gaunt crater
#

Whoa, stubborn?

rustic vale
#

As for aspects, solid choices are
Sword - Nemesis
Spear - Hidden Spear or Achilles
Shield - Zeus or Hidden Shield
Bow - Hidden Bow (or really anything but Chiron)
Fists - Demeter
Rail - Hestia (& Eris)

gaunt crater
#

I don't even want lasting consequences 1

rustic vale
#

If you plan on going higher than 32 you might as well learn to use it now

rustic vale
#

you still get full hp value from centaur hearts and any defiances

gaunt crater
#

Fair

rustic vale
# gaunt crater Fair

There’s a full 32 heat guide going pact -> mirror -> builds for each conventional aspect (I want to say literally every aspect but it’s been a hot minute since I read it)

#

I had already done 32 heat by the time Bananas cooked it up and it was mostly stuff I was usually telling people just actually compiled in one document nicely

gaunt crater
#

I'd love to know the guide for AoZ

rustic vale
gaunt crater
#

Ah

#

I tried a little something by myself, and it's brutal omg

rustic vale
#

20 heat?

gaunt crater
#

From 8

lavish sorrel
#

oh LMAO

rustic vale
lavish sorrel
#

yeah ok go grind up some more resources, it gets exponentially easier with more things unlocked

gaunt crater
#

Ok, so there are only 2 documented 64 heat runs, is that right?

lavish sorrel
#

3

#

and add like a dozen if you're counting QoL mods

rustic vale
#

32-> 64 is astronomically more of a jump than 0 -> 32

#

though

gaunt crater
lavish sorrel
#

2 zeus, 1 rama

gaunt crater
#

I should be the fourth run in about a week's time, no biggie

lavish sorrel
rustic vale
gaunt crater
#

12000 💀

vast raven
#

light numbers

rustic vale
gaunt crater
#

Is there a mod where we fight the olympian gods?

#

Or PvP?

rustic vale
#

Pvp in a 2d roguelite

gaunt crater
#

Gosh, in the blood is such a good song

rustic vale
#

Btw t

#

The number of clears jumps to the double digits if you consider the ones using the speedrun modpack to remove a lot of run-ending or reset-causing rng

gaunt crater
#

I just want to watch two players battle it out

rustic vale
#

damage would need to be reduced by like 90% across the board

gaunt crater
#

Oh, right

#

We don't use enemy healthbars

rustic vale
#

I’ve taken them down in 30s

gaunt crater
#

I think I need to take a break from Hades for a week

#

I probably completed 30 runs this week

gaunt crater
rustic vale
# gaunt crater Oh

Realistically that’s more like 10-20s based on how long he shields and a single darkness I think

#

so that’s like what

#

5-10 zags of hp per second?

gaunt crater
#

What builds even are these?

#

I can't even imagine it

rotund tangle
#

Fastest builds in the game that I know of are Merciful End fists or Mirage Shot hidden shield

rustic vale
#

I just happened to time it

#

So not even particularly conventional

#

But yeah those above, snurst Hera, fds eris

gaunt crater
#

I must say, gilgamesh fists look extremely fun

ripe sable
#

any tips for aspect of hestia usage?

jovial flicker
#

I'm pretty sure you attack, reload dash and special, repeat

#

Somebody can correct me on that

#

And ofc go percentage for attack

#

Like aphro or Artemis I assume

gaunt crater
#

I'm starting Hades 2!

#

Wait, will I not be able to chat here anymore? melthink melshock melcry

lavish sorrel
#

as long as you don't talk in the h1 channels about h2 stuff, you're all good

#

many people have not experienced the second game yet and wouldn't want spoilers.

ripe sable
#

i play on nintendo

#

yeah i get it, thanks for the tips for changing reload keybind

gaunt crater
#

Okie!

gaunt crater
#

I have bought anvil before

rustic vale
#

Onion?

gaunt crater
#

What the what

#

What onion?!

high onyx
#

onyon

rustic vale
#

You’ve never taken a hit in an Erebus gate have you

gaunt crater
#

I have not

#

I entered two of them

#

Made it out without hits

mint coral
gaunt crater
#

You know, I haven't seen Orpheus or Eurydice since like

#

10 runs ago

#

Where are they?

high onyx
#

you just got unlucky with asphodel, the friendly encounters arent always guaranteed to appear

gaunt crater
#

No, like

#

He went to visit her

#

And I have not met either of them since

jagged hamlet
#

<@&456908176877551658> Butts! Butts everywhere! 🙀

gaunt crater
#

Butts???

#

Where?! melmad

rustic vale
gaunt crater
#

I see

manic finch
#

What

#

Mr. Beast

#

Money

#

Hmm

#

Oh my god

#

What did I write wrong

jagged hamlet
#

How about the "c" word?

manic finch
#

C?

#

Can?

jagged hamlet
#

Crypto

#

Oh, guess not

manic finch
#

Crap?

jagged hamlet
#

Cowabunga!

spring zinc
#

What combos make beowulf good

#

First impression... feels terrible lol

rotund tangle
#

Deadly Strike + Flood Flare -> Mirage Shot

#

All you need right there

spring zinc
#

So how do I go about gaining favor with the gods to get to the epilogue

#

I have every single one of the olympian gods at their 7th locked heart

rustic vale
jagged hamlet
#

Ditto. Every Olympian has a different requirement

spring zinc
#

Gotcha lol figured it would be more intuitive but I've been stuck at cap for a while

rocky wasp
#

does higher heat reward more darkness?

vast raven
#

nope

spring zinc
#

Ok so why can I not max out dionysus... I have 6 bonds forged but he won't take my ambrosia

obtuse lagoon
#

I nearly survived on the 100th run in my second replay

#

Hades is a tank

rustic vale
#

If I’m remembering Asterius hp numbers properly

manic finch
valid widget
#

Anyone on Playstation wanna hop on a ps party with me and relax as I play hades 1 I will let you guys pick the boons and such

fierce aurora
#

serrated point is so OP

#

does Extending Jab also include dash attack?

valid widget
#

What?

mint coral
gaunt crater
#

Unless I'm mistaken, do bosses have the same properties that shielded enemies do?

mint coral
#

They can't be staggered correct

lavish sorrel
#

(* furies are sometimes a fake boss unfortunately pensive-emoji)

compact laurel
#

omg I purged a legendary boon for the achievement AND GOT THE BOON AGAIN INSTANTLY

#

Ok I guess to compensate the game made me go all 5 tunnels of Styx to find the sack for Cerberus

spring zinc
#

Man waiting for the text to roll to advance these gods affinities is a pia

tender island
#

Just here to vent, pretty sure nothing can be done about this except sink more time into the game.
I was clearing my laptop which was struggling to function due to storage and had to delete steam off of that laptop. Later that day I opened Hades for the first time in a couple of weeks and it rolled back ~100 runs worth of progress. I had at one point alt-F4d sometimes, but I know for a fact that I closed it properly the last time I played. What I think happened is the laptop was storing the most up-to-date version, and when I deleted steam, it lost that version and rolled back to the last saved version on that PC. Thankfully, it saved my achievement progress so I don’t need to re-3 star the keepsakes. I think that the most annoying thing is that I need to is max out the mirror of night again.

lavish sorrel
rustic vale
#

You could also just like

#

cheat in a crap ton of darkness if you wanted

tender island
#

Thx but I prefer suffering for my consequences.

#

The save state is the first alt-f4 state I’m pretty sure.

split jetty
#

Fraud yesterday

#

Underrated opinion but hades 1 was lowkey better than the second

#

I am not saying 2 is bad

#

But I lowkey loved Zagreus more as a character.

#

I want my boy back if we were to get a third one, but not possible I suppose.

#

Wait…

#

Macaria

rustic vale
split jetty
#

Hades has 3 kids

#

The one we didn’t get is Macaria

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Hades 3 next year

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and it’s one of his 800 kids escaping the sea

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Idk

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