but ya know
hermes' charge over time + zeus' +27% inc charge from hits makes bar go brrrrrr
#h1-discussion
white shoal
rustic vale
That’s a surprised amount of call gauge to rack up in one fight
white shoal
and flurry means lots of hits XD
white shoal
I even burned a quarter gauge at one point just to deal with an annoying add XD
white shoal
posted my build
rustic vale
Saw it
white shoal
craaaaaaaaaaap
I left the area
forgetting there was a fishing spot in the boss arena T_T
yeah, I sold the other
didn't like the 100% speed boost after dashing
felt weird
rustic vale
30% damage reduction practically 100% of the time is still pretty sweet 
rustic vale
Movespeed, damage reduction, and the Sturdy buff that stops you from getting interupted
mint coral
it gives sturdy
which is, yeah ^
sturdy is really funny
is only on one boon and 2 hammers
or 3? I think sword also has it
mint coral
aight yeah
then fists + beo
rustic vale
I always forget about Naegels longboard or whatver it’s called
oh wait
is that the action name?
mint coral
I think so
rustic vale
Hammer is unyielding defense
rustic vale
As opposed to the dragon rush 
rustic vale
it gives sturdy
Forgot sturdy had the 30% built in
rustic vale
naegels is part of the aspect tooltip
Doesn’t flaring spin give sturdy
mint coral
probably?
yeah
bow and rail left out then
I guess I can see why "they have range"
and thus rama's unique hammer was born
rustic vale
I think that might be 2 for 2 for remembering abstract spear hammers over more conventional hammers today
rustic vale
and thus rama's unique hammer was born <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
🗿
Does it even have a use-case
is there a scenario where you pick it up?
rustic vale
2nd hammer ap2 at 64 heat
playing Isaac recently and it makes me really appreciate the build control in Hades
I love actually being able to pick my damage
mint coral
I just reset for at least a familiar or something floor 1 lol
I'm not going 4 stages without some dps up
white shoal
I pick hestia aspect
and am given these hammer options right out the gate:
rocket
triple bomb
cluster bomb
latent moon
rocket
magic iris
I remember needing to talk to Achilles (with 5 titan blood on spear) and wait for a specific dialouge but ehat was the dialouge exactly to get the final spear aspect
mint coral
I remember needing to talk to Achilles (with 5 titan blood on spear) and wait fo...
Spear needs 5 non zagreus aspects unlocked, not 5 blood on spear
He'll have a big ass ! Mark when he's giving you the phrase
rustic vale
I just reset for at least a familiar or something floor 1 lol
I do this too
Highkey unplayable otherwise
magic iris
Oh I was told 5 blood, I have all of the not "secret" aspects
mint coral
Oh I was told 5 blood, I have all of the not "secret" aspects
Spear is the only one like this
All the other weapons do need 5 blood
You also need to have reached the final boss once
But if you have everything I assume you have lol
magic iris
Nah, I keep dying right before giving the satyr bag to cerberus /j
little lark
I hate it when I stop playing Hades for a little and then everything all of a sudden feels so fast lmao
little lark
Are the lewd scenes really integral to the plot?
frozen lion
They are a major part of the involved characters' developments and how the players like to talk about the characters, but I don't think anything is gated behind them progression-wise.
white shoal
what's the best way to farm nectar?
it appears so rarely during runs
jovial flicker
what's the best way to farm nectar?
it appears so rarely during runs
Use location rerolls on minor rewards I belive
And trade for it from broker if you can
white shoal
ic ic
white shoal
why does rocket not prevent targeting system?
vast raven
bc rocket still works with targeting system
vast raven
its a radius around where every the rocket hits
or will hit its been a while
but it still works
rustic vale
it doesn't have a ground targeted aoe
Targetting system doesn’t really use that ground target
white shoal
wat
rustic vale
it inflicts a debuff on all enemies in the explosion radius immediately before the explosion
white shoal
thought it turned the ground target into a slow field
rustic vale
I know
It’s weird
It proks immediately before the explosion does so it does affect the explosion itself
and it lasts 2 seconds
little lark
Curious
I was playing with Infernal Soul and I forgot to switch off of it after I was doing a Cast-focused build
And after being stuck on 5 Heat on the Malphon for so long, I finally managed to beat it by spamming Festive Lob
So now I'm conflicted
Is Stygian Soul just worse than Infernal Soul?
rustic vale
Is Stygian Soul just worse than Infernal Soul?
Better for dio cast builds
and that’s pretty much it
You can get away with it on meme beams if you get enough cast duration
they just end up being uber highroll since you want to nab as many extra casts from chaos while juggling getting cast +%
little lark
I swear
Everytime I do a Cast build
Chaos just doesn't wanna give me any Cast Boons lmao
rustic vale
Classic
little lark
But the moment I switch off
All of a sudden I get 7000000 Cast Boons from them
But yeah going back to it
I think Festive Lob is just really strong
I was basically doing a Festive Lob run on my Gilgamesh run lmao
My Gilgamesh aspect was basically a paperweight
OMG
SHE DID IT
SHE FINALLY SAID ZAGREUS
THIS IS SO INSANE
white shoal
who?
little lark
Tisiphone
white shoal
XD
mint coral
SHE FINALLY SAID ZAGREUS
hell yeah
white shoal
TIL: chaos curse can't kill you
vast raven
they're nice like that
white shoal
twas annoying tbh XD
wanted to off myself after meg fight to use stubborn defiance to get a small heal XD
mint coral
Just step on lava at the asphodel hub lol
mint coral
Right, not lc4
white shoal
wanted to heal before I got the fountain heal
rustic vale
_meg fight_
Magma after stairs
white shoal
y tho?
I'd have already taken the fountain and healed up beyond what stubborn defiance will have healed me by
rustic vale
I’m too highheat brained whenever I think about stubborn defiance
Where you heal 0% from fountain
mint coral
I’m too highheat brained whenever I think about stubborn defiance
Real
little lark
Whoops
I just realized that like
The better you are at the game
The worse Stubborn Defiance gets
Since if you just like
Don't die
You get free 3 revives at the final fight
Which is far better than just 1
Also
I'm not gonna lie
Poseidon's boons can be so annoying if your range is really short
Especially in Asphodel
vast raven
except in high heat where rooms tend to be tougher than bosses so u just need to play bosses well and heal off of SD in rooms
little lark
Oh yeah I've done that before
white shoal
the thing about stubborn is that it's always available
so there's less pressure if you burn it in one room, it'll be back in the next
I've gone full runs where I didn't use it
but I've also had runs where I've used it way more than 3 times XD
little lark
Stubborn Defiance lets me play with my massive skill issue
Holy
EM4 Hades is
Tough
The Cerberus summon is such a jumpscare
mint coral
We love the 200 dmg puppy
little lark
Gilgamesh's aspect's dash cooldown is so painful
rustic vale
the thing about stubborn is that it's _always_ available
so there's less pressur...
“It’s always available” as long as you take both athena and demeter 
rustic vale
Most builds these are going to be your 3rd and 4th gods respectively and that’s already asking for a lot
and like sure athena is never really a bad option
but you need demeter in your build to even hit stubborn roots 🥀
white shoal
that said
exagryph has been puttin in a lot of work here recently
haven't needed demeter nor athena with it
spare compass
i NEED to ask how to beat minotaur and theseus with the spear, its hard to handle the minotaur but having to deal with a long range dude thats hard to hit and has so much aoe attacks makes it 10x worse
jovial flicker
i NEED to ask how to beat minotaur and theseus with the spear, its hard to handl...
Ignore theseus and kill minotaur, then chip down Theseus until half and whale on him while he's summoning the god
little lark
Ignore theseus and kill minotaur, then chip down Theseus until half and whale on...
Yeah
Theseus just circles and crosses the arena
It's the bull that you need to take down since he hits super hard
rotund tangle
Phase 1 is really the hardest part for me so that's good
rotund tangle
I probably just have a warped perception because shield go clang
Easier to block beams than a variety of summons
spare compass
Ignore theseus and kill minotaur, then chip down Theseus until half and whale on...
yeah the more im looking at this the more im realizing its cause 3 runs in a row i have not found a single artemis
rustic vale
yeah the more im looking at this the more im realizing its cause 3 runs in a row...
I mean as long as you fill up your god pool before you find artemis you won’t see her at all
spare compass
I mean as long as you fill up your god pool before you find artemis you won’t se...
what is a god pool
rustic vale
essentially as you pick up boons from gods that god is added to your god pool and as soon as it hits 4 you can’t find any other regular gods
spare compass
oh that makes a lot more sense then
rustic vale
hermes and chaos aren’t regular gods they don’t count
spare compass
so what would be the best 4 boons to stick with?
rustic vale
depends on your weapon and the build you’re going gor
Usually it’s 2 gods for your build and the other 2 you can be a little picky with buy the game might just disagree with you and force you to pick up someone
In general poseidon for tidal dash or athena for divine dash and defensive boons is a really generally strong option for a tertiary god if you can help it
or artemis
artemis
she has really strong generic boons for boosting dps
rustic vale
alr thx gng
Keep in mind this is like removed from whatever combo you’re going to tie in with your strike/special/cast/call
You can still throw whatever main build components together these just tend to be really strong slot in options
zeus and dio call are really strong for damage as well those are nice grabs
spare compass
Keep in mind this is like removed from whatever combo you’re going to tie in wit...
gotcha, ill keep your tips in mind
spare compass
zeus and dio call are really strong for damage as well those are nice grabs
personally
aphrodite calls underrated
rustic vale
no
spare compass
high damage and theyre useless for 5 seconds when max gauge
rustic vale
Aphro call is overrated by a longshot on average
spare compass
fr?
rustic vale
Yeah
Far outstripped by zeus and dio on a number of factors
I broke it down the other day let me copy myself
spare compass
ah kk
rustic vale
^
man I forgot to mention that minicalls work far better because dio and zeus can be used in the average room way more effectively
and you lose way less charge-gauge to boss break points
you also just get more consist damage output and damage now is better than damage 8 years from now the fight might as well be over by then
rustic vale
the 25% requirement for minicalls means you might charge up like 7 dio mini calls with 175% but only 1 full charge gauge
spare compass
since i usually get 10% attack damage or more dashes
rustic vale
There is no 10% attack damage
rustic vale
the 25% requirement for minicalls means you might charge up like 7 dio mini call...
that one doesn’t really affect the difference in between minicalls and full calls tbhp
attack speed try not to be so mid in Hades challenge: impossible
rustic vale
ok heroic is a different question also
spare compass
ok heroic is a different question <:bouldy:523329116934635534> also
yeah thats fair
rustic vale
heroic for railgun is definitely throwing off your lightning strike timings
I’m pretty sure it’s a dps down
rustic vale
ok heroic is a different question <:bouldy:523329116934635534> also
You have to hit the drastically reduced hermes epic rarity odds and then eurydice
rustic vale
Heroic attack speed actually has way more usage on like sword than rail ngl
spear I can’t remember if there’s a certain rarity threshold where it becomes a viable pick with flurry jab or if it always is
spare compass
i feel like triple jab was always underrated
latent moon
i think you just take swift strike on spear bc nothing else helps lmao
spare compass
while yes it doesnt deal extra damage
rustic vale
Triple jab is underrated where?
spare compass
dude idk
rustic vale
It’s a really strong second hammer for the spears
spare compass
my friend keeps saying its crap
latent moon
i think triple jab is appropriately rated lmao
spare compass
yet its like the best upgrade for spear imo
latent moon
oh def not
frozen lion
my friend keeps saying its crap
Your friends are weird
rustic vale
It’s no flurry jab
Flurry jab is pretty much king for the spear hammers and elevates both extending jab and triple jab a lot
white shoal
honestly
I've been disappointed by triple jab
latent moon
my friend keeps saying its crap
i mean that's just 1 opinion so it wouldn't make something "underrated" bc there's not much backing that lmao
white shoal
feel like extending jab is just better
latent moon
triple jab is good 2nd hammer, 1st hammer it's like fine lmao
spare compass
i havent used extending jab lowkey
latent moon
there aren't really good spear hammers that get close to flurry jab
rustic vale
i got it like twice now
My other point on attack speed is it not affecting dash-strikes or subsequent effects like bullrush or spear spin or reload speeds
spare compass
i remember i once got triple jab, flurry jab, and the heroic hermes thingamabob
white shoal
don't think I've tried flurry jab yet
latent moon
extending, triple, and serrated are the only attack hammers i can remember
spare compass
don't think I've tried flurry jab yet
flurry jabs great
its worth the loss of no more charge
rustic vale
extending, triple, and serrated are the only attack hammers i can remember
That’s because they are the only non-spin attack hammers
including flurry
white shoal
flurry sword is amazing
let me get like 4-6 full charge zeus gauges in a recent run
vs hades
rustic vale
Flurry sword
latent moon
That’s because they are the only non-spin attack hammers
oh right lmao
rustic vale
not all flurry hammers are made equal
latent moon
forgot spin hammers existed
rustic vale
flurry jab flurry shot 
flurry slash flurry fire 👎
white shoal
how could you
flurry slash is so good T_T
latent moon
it doesn't apply to dash strikes and forces a standing strike after a dash strike which can hurt
rustic vale
its worth the loss of no more charge
See it’s worth the loss because you lose nothing and gain immediate standing strikes on your dash-strikes
essentially doubling your dash-strike dps 😁
latent moon
it's never worth it lmao
rustic vale
how could you
flurry slash is so good T_T
Lemme just stand right infront of my foes and immediately lose my dash iframes even when I mean to empty dash
spare compass
there are tons of ways to handle groups of enemies with spear
latent moon
except like hades spear before a wave spawns or guan yu where it's actually good lmao
white shoal
Lemme just stand right infront of my foes and immediately lose my dash iframes e...
sounds like a skill issue to me, boss 😛
rustic vale
why would I ever be caught standing striking on sword
just to deal less dps
than dash-striking
and stay in one place
where I can easily get hit
latent moon
me when i skill issue the player with a sub8 and a 40 heat record
rustic vale
I have skill issues with sword but flurry slash has nothing to do with it
white shoal
(am just poking fun) 😛
latent moon
unfortunately with how old the game is and how many hours some people have put in, the game is more or less solved now and there aren't too many revelations for builds
at this point it's mostly just for high heat prob
rustic vale
It’s actually pretty silly how afaik flurry jab and flurry slash do much the same thing but
Flurry jab works infinitely better
latent moon
and it's generally like wack ass strats that somehow work
spare compass
and it's generally like wack ass strats that somehow work
triple jab flurry jab hermes attack speed artemis critical attack damage
latent moon
Flurry jab works infinitely better
prob bc of range so it actually hits
rustic vale
and it's generally like wack ass strats that somehow work
Can’t wait for hunting blades to crack to code and be the solution to 64 heat with every weapon that can’t otherwise
latent moon
idk if hunting blades can save sword or fists lmfao
white shoal
how do the flaming challenge gates affect room progression?
latent moon
it's just another chamber that's it
rustic vale
only matter if you take one at the very end of a biome
latent moon
i dont think it influences gold/blue laurel rewards
latent moon
triple jab flurry jab hermes attack speed artemis critical attack damage
that's not wack ass that's just like half an achilles build lmao
rustic vale
triple jab flurry jab hermes attack speed artemis critical attack damage
The only wack thing here is swift strike unironically
and even then
latent moon
minus hermes attack speed bc you want hyper spring + rush delivery
rustic vale
swift strike genuinely has some tech with flurry jab
Iirc
button mashing for extra hits
white shoal
Then it extends the biome by one chamber
okay so I shouldn't take it over the regular hammer option
got it
spare compass
swift strikes kinda underrated with those two
latent moon
okay so I _shouldn't_ take it over the regular hammer option
got it
erebus gates generally aren't worth it
white shoal
ic ic
rustic vale
The problem is that from where Bananas and I are coming from the game is 90% dash strikes so attack speed doesn’t really matter
it definitely helps if you’re standing striking a ton
latent moon
swift strikes kinda underrated with those two
it's prob like the only beneficial hermes after hyper sprint, rush delivery, more dashes, and greater haste lmao
or the money one i forgot the name of
spare compass
it's prob like the only beneficial hermes after hyper sprint, rush delivery, mor...
the worst part about this thing is the omly one of these upgrades i know is more dashes
latent moon
hyper sprint is 100% move speed after your dash
rush delivery is +% damage based on your movement speed
greater haste is just a small increase to movement speed
rustic vale
or the money one i forgot the name of
Side hustle
latent moon
hyper sprint + rush delivery combo can get you +50/75/100/125% more global damage so it's insanely strong
which is why like
every other hermes boon kinda just sucks other than more dashes lmfao
rustic vale
Especially when you can multiply it higher with other movespeed bonuses
rustic vale
hyper sprint is 100% move speed after your dash
and sturdy for 30% damage reduction and un-interuptable actions for the same duration
latent moon
they're just massively outclassed and there's not really much of a reason why you'd want other hermes boons other than like greater evasion for dodge, quick recovery for "damage reduction", or side hustle to get more gold so you can buy the hermes in styx bc you had to take side hustle lmfao
rush delivery is good to the point where speedruns at the higher end basically need it to get a competitive time
some exceptions such as more dashes for ME or beo/hera just buying their build in a charon well
there's also builds that literally revolves around rush delivery called "flat damage soup" or FDS
bc flat damage like zeus is just generally stronger than the % buffs
and then you compare that capability to like swift strike and it's like
why would you ever want to take swift strike lmfao
if you were do a tier list of hermes boons, you'd have to rank them without regards to rush delivery bc of how good it is and how much it'd scew the list
esp considering you only get 2 (3 with a 50% in styx) hermes boons per run
massive opportunity cost
white shoal
kinda makes me feel like giving a hermes boon the ability to provide a damage bonus was a mistake...
mint coral
Hermes in h2 is a lot better yeah
Or at least a lot of his kit is desirable by the fact that nothing like +dashes or hyper delivery exists
latent moon
kinda makes me feel like giving a hermes boon the ability to provide a damage bo...
tbf it'd be a lot less broken if movement speed wasn't multiplicitive lmfao
but yeah h2 fixes that really nicely
turns out doubling your damage with epic rd kinda just really good
white shoal
hmm
rustic vale
Or at least a lot of his kit is desirable by the fact that nothing like +dashes ...
Hades 2 when it comes to just murdering dashes 🥀
mint coral
turns out doubling your damage with epic rd kinda just really good
Doubling your dmg vs +10% attack speed (it often does nothing)
I wonder what I will choose
white shoal
Hades 2 when it comes to just murdering dashes 🥀
not my dashes T_T
rustic vale
doubling your dmg vs +10% attack speed when your main damage source doesn’t even benefit from it
white shoal
yeah
they really shouldn't have allowed that to be a boon for hermes XD
rustic vale
it’d make more sense if dash-striking wasn’t so strong but even then like
it’s straight up shooting yourself in the foot on rail last I checked
I’m pretty sure the attack interval for base rail is 0.15333s (6.5 attacks per second) where the itc for lightning strike is 0.15
I extrapolated some data off of (I think) Jazz’s dps testing with rail standing striking vs dash striking
to get that
and it makes sense
white shoal
thought the wiki said the icd is .2
rustic vale
Itc for lightning strikes is 0.2 sorry, itc for chain lightning (what zeus strike is) is 0.15
I just said lightning strike as a freudian slip when I should’ve said zeus strike
white shoal
oic
mint coral
Funny naming scheme
white shoal
on luci rail, is it better to pom pressure points or lightning strike?
white shoal
wut static discharge?
rustic vale
I’d put two poms into lightning strike then the rest into pp probably
quintessential zeus secondary boon
Lightning effects inflict a debuff that deals massive damage to enemies the next time they attack
rustic vale
easily becomes 20-60% of your total lightning damage across a run on a given build depending on how early you get it and rarity/poms put in
white shoal
interesting
rustic vale
oh hey
I already have 2 poms into lighting strikes 😄
Well like
lightning strike pom scaling goes 4/3/2/1/1/1/1…
Those first 2 are really impactful
white shoal
ic ic
unkempt moat
hey mind if I ask a quick question?
rustic vale
ask away
unkempt moat
currently playing with adamant rail and I don't use a mouse (keyboard only)
sometimes aim assist doesn't work and sometimes it shoots my special onto a random target
what determines that?
unkempt moat
it's room specific
rustic vale
if it doesn’t sense you aiming at a specific direction it’s typically just the closest enemy you could hit
if there’s a pillar in the way it’ll target someone else iirc
white shoal
yeah, it requires LoS
unkempt moat
usually my mouse is in the middle of the screen
some rooms, it always shoots it at me, some rooms it always picks a target
white shoal
can you reproduce the issue in the training room?
unkempt moat
touchpad? when selecting boons, yes thought I'd mention but forgot to add
I'm not using a qwerty so my wasd is different but while selecting boons it wants me to use w and s :/
so I use touchpad
I'll try to do it in training ig but never seen it happen there
yep
sometimes cursor is visible and it shoots at cursor
it picks a target when there is no cursor visible
any way to reliably make cursor visible and not both?
rustic vale
I’m biased to triple beam for room clear but you might be lacking the aoe triple bomb damage for theseus
so piercing fire might be a solid option since luci beam struggles against the shield
white shoal
ic ic
latent moon
ngl i thought piercing fire would be better for room clear
triple makes sense tho i suppose
latent moon
I'll try to do it in training ig but never seen it happen there
yep
sometimes cu...
i think it'll just always aim at cursor until it's not visible unfortunately
a common thing with rails for kbm is that they turn off aim at cursor to let autoaim hit enemies but still use the mouse to aim the specials, despite aim at cursor being off
rustic vale
a common thing with rails for kbm is that they turn off aim at cursor to let aut...
They’re trackpad btw
latent moon
yeah ik i brought up the mouse thing to explain why aim at cursor doesn't affect special aiming
rustic vale
wait I didn’t realise that their message stating that was literally in the same message chunk
unkempt moat
I may edit my messages instead of making a new one sometimes
unkempt moat
i think it'll just always aim at cursor until it's not visible unfortunately
shild bash also does not work with aim assist :s
aa also works better when shooting up
thanks for the reply all
white shoal
I was not expecting theseus to have guns
hype
new record 😄
28:01.73
luci rail go brrrrrr
(got supporting fire from arti in the final 3rd of the run)
rustic vale
hype
new record 😄
28:01.73
luci rail go brrrrrr
Luci tail does go brrr
I don’t even have a broken arm to excuse my spelling errors anymore 🥀
vast raven
ive gerd the more toos you make that emans the better the hades player you sre
rustic vale
ive gerd the more toos you make that emans the better the hades player you sre
See my rbain si jsut movin gway fasetr tahnm y fginerd
due two m y538000 iq
rustic vale
how do i finish the keepsake achievement faster? 😭
Is this the last thing you’re doing?
rustic vale
Otherwise just do a regular god keepsake start for tartarus and asphodel then swap to whichever keepsakes you need to level for elysium and styx
that way you can pick your damage so your runs are fast and enjoyable while doing other things
and then you get to level up your keepsakes as a side thing while you do everything else
rustic vale
i still have like some of prophecy achievement still
Sidenote but you could also try using the speedrun pact options if you want
and probably cut off any of the pacts you have on that immensely slow the game down
stoic ivy
thanks!
latent moon
going through every styx tunnel is good for keepsakes bc each chamber counts as an encounter in the tunnels
rustic vale
thanks!
The speedrun pacts are extreme measures 2 for a shorter lernie fight, forced overtime 2 for faster enemy spawns/ less travel time, more frequent jolted procs, and then for your case which would be real-time runs
Tight Deadline 1-3 all remove the 40 second long survival rooms in tartarus
gaunt crater
Hey, everyone
Uhhh
I have a trader offer for Titan blood
x200 gemstones
Should I take it?
My friend said Titan blood is limited
rustic vale
My friend said Titan blood is limited
This is just a bad trade
It’s hard to renew but it is infinitely renewable but you’re going to need a lot more titans blood and it’s way harder to get
than you’re going to need gemstones and gemstones are far easier to get
gaunt crater
Howuch Titan blood will I need for all aspects combined?
I'm a returning player btw
rustic vale
306
gaunt crater
Holy what the hell
I probably got like 20 back then 😭
Is there anything I SHOULD get for gemstones?
rustic vale
you only get like 252 + ~40 from all the non-renewable sources iirc then the rest from fishing/ trading / styx shop
gaunt crater
I think parting with one is ok
rustic vale
Is there anything I SHOULD get for gemstones?
Not really
I don’t think there is ever a point in the game where that black market deal (random trade that usually is a better deal than normal) makes sense
gaunt crater
Alright
gaunt crater
you only get like 252 + ~40 from all the non-renewable sources iirc then the res...
40 is a huge margin
rustic vale
40 is a huge margin
I
I can’t remember the exact amount you get from prophecies
You get 252 from bounties
gaunt crater
Where does the 252 number come from?
rustic vale
21 heat levels that have unique bounties * 2 bosses that drop blood per heat level * 6 weapons
=252
Which is easy to remember but the prophecy stuff is like
I think it’s around 40 last I checked
Maybe a little higher
gaunt crater
Alright, thanks for the info!
rustic vale
The only real titan blood trade I’ve ever made is trading my excess titans blood for darkness to help me get Unseen One
gaunt crater
What's unseen one?
rustic vale
whenever you get access tk Hades bedchambers there’s a shade there called the resource director who takes an increasing amount of darkness and a pety amount of other resources and gives you a rank
there are 50 of them and the last one is Unseen One
which is like a total of 325k darkness spent and a relatively negligible amount of every other resource
gaunt crater
What does the resource director give you in exchange?
rustic vale
Literally just the title and he changes the little icon on the bottom left by your health bar
Here
Icon to the left of the health bar and little title undernearth the health bar
gaunt crater
Why does this screen look blinged out?
rustic vale
You unlock victory screen themes as work orders after buying all the other work orders
I play on a non-jailbroken switch my gsme is purely vanilla
rustic vale
Is that a mod?
I think this was just the natural endpoint of me getting into speedrunning and high heat ngl
Unseen One isn’t really attainable unless you want to dump a couple hundred extra hours into an otherwise 100% save file
gaunt crater
I don't like that it's purely cosmetic
rustic vale
I don't like that it's purely cosmetic
What else would it do?
gaunt crater
Touché
rustic vale
You don’t need it for any system’s achievements it’s just an end game resource dump
so that you don’t immediately run out of things to do with currency as soonas you buy all your work orders
I may be biased because I do have it but I do like it
gaunt crater
What about diamonds?
rustic vale
What about diamonds?
Pretty much all their work orders are really impactful
after that all their stuff is like
music for orpheus to sing in the lobby
gaunt crater
What are the things I should focus on to get my savefile on track?
I know I need the fishing rod
And get enough Titan blood for aspect of zeus
rustic vale
And get enough Titan blood for aspect of zeus
Is there a specific reason you’re gunning for zeus shield?
It’s a really strong shield aspect don’t get me wrong
Just wondering why it specifixally
gaunt crater
Oh, I love the playstyle
I love throwing it out and letting it follow behind me as a trail of destruction
unkempt moat
back with another question, I'm playing on linux via steam proton
from time to time, game display freezes, it used to crash as well but it's very rare now that I've changed display to borderless (crash related to tabbing out, freeze can happen while playing normally)
I have a workaround but if anyone knows a fix help would be appreciated
I said question but I didn't put a question mark ughhh well just did em3 for the first time, anyone else thinks it's easier than no em3?
mint coral
Nah, asterius becomes way more of a nuisance
Theseus can steal your acorn super fast and the few times he gets to corner you with asterius are rough
(said from the PoV of forced overtime 2)
If you are a melee weapon Asterius will also just not let you hit him sometimes
And Theseus is never a bother without the chariot
paper pivot
so I ragequit HADES2 so I came back to my beloved HADES1 and oh god I have so much to do, like I've completed more in the second that in the first
unkempt moat
If you are a melee weapon Asterius will also just not let you hit him sometimes
I can definitely imagine this happening
unkempt moat
And Theseus is never a bother without the chariot
imo he was even less of a bother with his new attacks
but bigger part for me is that he doesn't block anymore
just remembered, I dashed into him from his back and took contact damoge, that I hate
vast raven
in general zag is slower than mel
paper pivot
but when your fighting him he isn't so slow
holly tartarus
extrem asterius is no joke
mint coral
imo he was even less of a bother with his new attacks
but bigger part for me is ...
The block is just a non issue ain't gonna lie 😭
The thing with Theseus is he's never a full problem
But em3 does give him some chance to cause actual dmg
But also, em3 alone (without other pacts) is okay
Big difference when both are moving/attacking +40% faster and also do double dmg
unkempt moat
I'll scream when I get to that point with a melee weapon but I'll try exactly that :>
stoic ivy
has zagreus ever said this line before?
"if i were to be satyr sack where would i be?"
i can't find it on the wiki
mint coral
I, think I remember that line?
rotund tangle
Yeah I noticed the wiki doesn't have every line
Some Patroclus lines in particular I remember being missing
indigo badge
"if i were to be satyr sack where would i be?"
yeah it's a common line in the styx hub
rustic vale
Yeah I noticed the wiki doesn't have every line
The wiki not having all 21020 dialogue lines
Isn’t that crazy
white shoal
ikr? what lazy data miners, amirite? 😛
little lark
I played Hades for 12 hours yesterday
Idk how to feel about it
I keep getting served by Hades and Asterius
white shoal
so
for asterius, focus on killing him first, and just ignore theseus
asterius' moveset is relatively simple, 2 swings then approx 3 jump attacks
and the jump attacks have a fixed distance he travels, so if yer close to him, he won't land on top of you
for hades
just don't panic
he's also similarly simple if you hang back and focus on observing him, instead of trying to blitz him down
the skull flames can be killed, which will stop the large aoe ability
if you remember to kill those, the fight becomes a lot easier and less chaotic
frozen lion
I normally kill Theseus and kite Asterius first
Asterius is easy to kite, but Theseus has sneakier ways of getting hits in
mint coral
He puts a bright pink target on you how is that sneaky /gen 😭
white shoal
He puts a bright pink target on you how is that sneaky /gen 😭
tru
but
he can also "bend bullets" around corners sometimes, I swear. like, I've been hit so many times where I thought I was perfectly safe behind cover T_T
latent moon
I think that's just bc of the isometric view lmao
That it just looks like you're behind it but you're not
Or he has like Zeus blessing which can hit you behind pillars bc the thunder radius is really large
little lark
for hades
just don't panic
he's also similarly simple if you hang back and focus...
Here's the thing
I'm on Heat 10
So like
It's a lot harder
I almost beat EM4 Hades again
I was 2/3rds the way through
white shoal
haven't tried EM4, but EM3 theseus is honestly slightly easier imo
for some reason, it's easier to ignore the chariot than the spears XD
rustic vale
haven't tried EM4, but EM3 theseus is honestly slightly easier imo
for some reas...
Everybody says this but asterius is way way worse
white shoal
Everybody says this but asterius is way way worse
he's annoying, yeah
the extra aoe's he gets and the damage reduction makes him more obnoxious for sure
white shoal
HIS BULLRUSH SENDS YOU TO ANOTHER PLANE OF EXISTENCE
wait, it does?
rustic vale
he can just beyblade and say “you don’t get to play anymore”
little lark
Yeah
white shoal
don't think I've actually been hit by that
rustic vale
I don’t run em3 for my 32 or 40 heat pacts so I lowkey don’t remember his other moves that well
little lark
I always prioritize having EM on my Pact of Punishment
It's always really fun
I like having harder boss fights
rustic vale
I always have em2 on
white shoal
yeah, prioritizing EM over others lets you learn their harder movesets under less brutal settings
rustic vale
Em3 is just like overly annoying compared to running 3 heat elsewhere at these heat levels ngl
jovial flicker
Em3 is just like overly annoying compared to running 3 heat elsewhere at these h...
Em3 is not much of a difference in difficulty
rustic vale
I said it’s annoying
white shoal
yeah, it's just annoying
jovial flicker
But yeah the first few years should be free and have basically no impact
Is it annoying?
rustic vale
It’s not em4 where you’re drastically overkill for your heat until you hit 50+
jovial flicker
Ig it's subjective
rustic vale
Asterius just goes “you don’t get to play the game anymore” when he starts beyblading
white shoal
really?
jovial flicker
Asterius just goes “you don’t get to play the game anymore” when he starts beybl...
Well you can whack theseus
white shoal
the beyblade move only lasts for a few seconds
rustic vale
Well you can whack theseus
Not when Theseus is already dead
rustic vale
the beyblade move only lasts for a few seconds
That’s ages
white shoal
kek
jovial flicker
Not when Theseus is already dead
Don't you do asterius first lol
white shoal
just back up and shoot him from a distance 😛
jovial flicker
I assumed em3 strat is same
frozen lion
He puts a bright pink target on you how is that sneaky /gen 😭
"Sneakier" in the sense that the telegraph is more awkward to read and the attack is harder to dodge
rustic vale
Multiple seconds is multiple years
mint coral
Theseus has the hp of a fly at some point
white shoal
hestia aspect goes brrrrr
rustic vale
just back up and shoot him from a distance 😛
Can’t do this on melee weapons or really safely with fo2 on
mint coral
if you are fighting them together suddenly theseus is ded before you realize
frozen lion
Theseus has the hp of a fly at some point
That's true of every enemy tbh
white shoal
fo2?
little lark
Can’t do this on melee weapons or really safely with fo2 on
Doing it with the Zeus aspect is fun
rustic vale
forced overtime 2 where enemies attack and move 40% faster
white shoal
oic
little lark
You can press Q twice and have it kite him as he does his circle thing
rustic vale
Tht does require me to be playing zeus shield
white shoal
yeah, eff fo2
anything that gives enemies move/atk speed is the worst thing ever
rustic vale
not the worst thing ever
little lark
yeah, eff fo2
anything that gives enemies move/atk speed is the worst thing ever
I'm a damage enthusiast
rustic vale
I haven’t turned it off in 3 years
mint coral
fo2? more like normal
white shoal
looks at my hundreds of deaths in poe thanks to +20/40% move/atk/cast speed maps
suuuurrreeeee
white shoal
ye, path of exile
mint coral
if you want to get a feel of how off you are if you turn off fo2 is by going for fresh file wins lol
then you go back to fo2 and rip your muscle memory
rustic vale
Turning off fo2 atp has actually lead to me taking more hits
becaue I dash assuming their attack is going to connect earlier
little lark
Suffering from Success
white shoal
becaue I dash assuming their attack is going to connect earlier
I feel that
rustic vale
Yhere’e no real reason for me to turn off fo2 at this point
mint coral
my timing with fo2 must be trash by now
rustic vale
It’s worse for speedrunning to have it off and I’m already adjusted to it if I want to go to high heat
mint coral
the last few times I booted up the game is for recording stuff for new players so no fo2 lol
mint coral
that's fun
rustic vale
Nobodies mentioned it but I’m fairly certain it has fo2 on
frozen lion
yeah, eff fo2
anything that gives enemies move/atk speed is the worst thing ever
But enemies also spawn faster with fo2
mint coral
Nobodies mentioned it but I’m fairly certain it has fo2 on
tbf bow clip is more of "look at this weapon shred"
little lark
But enemies also spawn faster with fo2
I can't relate to your nickname
mint coral
if anything mentioning the fo2 makes it even more useful lol
little lark
Everytime I use the Gilgamesh aspect, I can never score a win lmao
frozen lion
that sounds giga bad
No, it allows you to get clears faster
vast raven
let's see that rust lol
what pact are you doing?
white shoal
No, it allows you to get clears faster
see
that's the thing
I don't care about speed running XD
mint coral
white shoal
slow and steady wins the race 😛
frozen lion
Everytime I use the Gilgamesh aspect, I can never score a win lmao
On low heat, you can dash strike spam yourself to a win pretty reliably
Hold dash and attack and aim for the bad guy clusters
vast raven
it also makes timer easier bc you're not waiting as long for things to happen
white shoal
huh
thought you weren't able to post pics directly in here
mint coral
embeds
vast raven
oh wait fiery presence over shadow
white shoal
thought embeds had link in the text
frozen lion
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230649734008672347/1472415456253182114/i...
DAAAAANG
vast raven
based 🔥
mint coral
erebus gaming
white shoal
wait, what weapon is that?
vast raven
bow, aspect of rama
white shoal
ic ic
frozen lion
it also makes timer easier bc you're not waiting as long for things to happen
Even without that, td2 is basically free for me regardless of other pact conditions, aspect, and build
With those three things even remotely nice, td3 is also free
white shoal
man
why is explosive fire so... lame?
rustic vale
fo2 means enemies come to you quick, spawn in quicker to take damage sooner, and attack more frequently so they take more hits from jolted
every aspect of it speeds up your run 
white shoal
the splash radius isn't large enough to be worth much
and it doesn't actually contribute any extra damage
rustic vale
speedrun optimal
vast raven
jolted is a lot of damage huh
mint coral
jolted funny
vast raven
its usually on zeus shield about 40% to 50% of your damage depending on rarity/poms of zeus spec and jolted
white shoal
for hestia aspect
would ya'll rather take explosive fire, or ricochet shot?
rustic vale
ricochet
vast raven
ricochet
rustic vale
It’s pretty much guaranteed to be a second hit on another closeby enemy
white shoal
interesting
reason?
rustic vale
The radius for explosive is super tiny
white shoal
it really is T_T
latent moon
Ricochet actually hits more than one enemy lmao
vast raven
im a big fan of explosive (im coping) but ricochet is just better
mint coral
doesn't the stagger of explosive also mess with jolted?
white shoal
imo, explosive should add like +50% dmg or something
rustic vale
It’s like a little bigger than a tidal dash
wait
that’s a lot bigger than I thought it was
white shoal
275 range iirc
rustic vale
No
mint coral
imo, explosive should add like +50% dmg or something
even then, this would be additive to your 10 dmg pellets
white shoal
even then, this would be additive to your 10 dmg pellets
hestia 150 dmg 😛
I do think the blast radius should be upped to something like 350
frozen lion
it's also the best dash to break pots with
Broseidon cast is better though
white shoal
how do I get the option to 'borrow' from charon again?
only saw it appear once
rustic vale
22% chance at midshops
vast raven
its just rng
white shoal
sadge
mint coral
bought an extra summon, do I nuke lernie for the funsies
white shoal
gave up a double perk room for that T_T
rustic vale
challenge rooms
frozen lion
bought an extra summon, do I nuke lernie for the funsies
Save it in case you get a 5 sack
latent moon
Both minibosses
rustic vale
you’re only dropping the summon on both minibosses at most
vast raven
do you have perfect twin now?
mint coral
ye
vast raven
epic
white shoal
does hestia aspect not get basic attack damage boons from chaos?
mint coral
6 shots vs asterius lmfao
white shoal
all I ever see are dash attack boons
mint coral
does hestia aspect not get basic attack damage boons from chaos?
it does
white shoal
ic
white shoal
eh
little lark
Do you guys also just choose which weapon gives you the purple buff thing?
mint coral
nah
vast raven
nah slower rta 🧠
latent moon
eh
I mean most of the time you're gonna end up dash striking anyways
Lunge bonuses having higher buffs than strikes are a bit busted but it's just good lmao
white shoal
Do you guys also just choose which weapon gives you the purple buff thing?
for a while I did
but now that I'm consistently clearing higher and higher heat
there's no point
since I don't get a lot of meta currency rooms on those runs
white shoal
Lunge bonuses having higher buffs than strikes are a bit busted but it's just go...
yeah
but I don't like always having to dash when I don't need to
mint coral
where patty 😔
latent moon
C34 trust
mint coral
I said that going into end shop lol
little lark
I still do
Makes my runs less stale since I have to use a different weapon each time
mint coral
omg
white shoal
man
why's ricochet got such a short lock on radius?
mint coral
TONY
mint coral
latent moon
C45 trust
latent moon
Hey you're missing 5 sack give it some time
mint coral
Hey you're missing 5 sack give it some time
pls no
white shoal
yay
epic pressure points
latent moon
Would've been funnier with 5 sack tbh
latent moon
Gamer
mint coral
rama is so fun
also dawg is the h1 ui so different to h2's
Had really bad flamewheel rooms lol
little lark
What if the real Hades was the friends we made along the way?
vast raven
also dawg is the h1 ui so different to h2's
i kinda actually prefer h1's just bc you can see all the picked options on one screen
but ye extremely different
rustic vale
i kinda actually prefer h1's just bc you can see all the picked options on one s...
Whenever someone posts anything from h2 I just see a lot of visual clutter I feel
Maybe I’m just really used to seeing H1 victory screens
vast raven
probably lol
ive played enough h2 atp where im just desensitized to both in terms of differences
mint coral
H2 icons are tinyyyy
mint coral
I will go back at some point but burned out hard on h2 too
vast raven
it was maybe needed bc of all the added effects as well as changes as to where things are positioned
white shoal
I was planning on getting h2 after I finished h1
just need to farm up enough nectar to gift to everyone to complete the post game stories
(getting really annoying I keep forgetting to gift nectar to patroclus and erudice every time I visit 'em)
mint coral
Classic
mint coral
it was maybe needed bc of all the added effects as well as changes as to where t...
||the dmg board is worth having the vows in another page #tbh||
white shoal
that said
hestia aspect go brrrrrrr
frozen lion
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1472423791249461412/im...
Ggs
unkempt moat
just did em3 fight with veretha, asterius does spin for 2 years, aim assist misses chariot and to the whole "block is not an issue" thing I say, hitting from straight behind theseus with spear, it gets blocked
I think the fight is more fun so I'm not taking it off
oh the guy in elysium, I can't give him nectar, what to do?
getting a pom without any boons give money?
spent money and got more money
unkempt moat
does em4 change what hades summons? 1st time seeing that teleport dude there
10 minute fight btw
rotund tangle
Yes it becomes all miniboss-level summons
rustic vale
just did em3 fight with veretha, asterius does spin for 2 years, aim assist miss...
You need to progress Achilles and Nyx to get Achilles and Patroclus’s hearts unlocked
but you also need either sisyphus or orpheus’s contracts/sentences altered first
unkempt moat
I forgot his name so I couldn't search for it thank you :>
I'm assuming that means I need to give a few more nectar to nyx and that's it
or both of them
rustic vale
I forgot his name so I couldn't search for it thank you :>
I'm assuming that mea...
Need achilles at max hearts and nyx at like
5 or 6
And you go down a dialouge tree between achilles and patty where eventually patty tells achilles to go for broke and achilles asks you to have nyx dig up his contract
so you can nullify it and let them meet each other again
gaunt crater
How can I keep track of which weapons have collected blood, diamonds and ambrosia?
rotund tangle
Check the pact of punishment
gaunt crater
Oh, I have not unlocked it yet
long crater
Am I the only one who just stays in Eurydice's room listening to her sing?
paper pivot
is there a mod on h1 to have to "remember-me" on boons from h2?
because for duo and legendary boons it's harder on h1
gaunt crater
How much ambrosia do I need for full completion?
I can trade my ambrosia for Titan blood
lavish sorrel
is there a mod on h1 to have to "remember-me" on boons from h2?
no
lavish sorrel
because for duo and legendary boons it's harder on h1
this is untrue; arguably it's harder in the second game to get a particular duoboon/lego and remember its requirements ||since there are 9 gods in h2 as opposed to h1's 8||.
rotund tangle
Besides you can just look at the codex in both games
Also it might technically be easier in H2 (for duos) because you can have both ||Queen and Divinity Arcana and it's optimal (for non Fates' Whim)|| whereas in H1 you have to choose between God's Legacy and God's Pride
mint coral
? Pride/divinity don't help for duos
mint coral
Besides you can just look at the codex in both games
||the awkward thing for h2 codex is if you are in a boon menu you can only look at that god's boons, h1 lets you look at everyone's||
lavish sorrel
Also it might technically be easier in H2 (for duos) because you can have both |...
mark h2 spoilers with || in h1 channels pls
rotund tangle
||the awkward thing for h2 codex is if you are in a boon menu you can only look ...
Oh yeah that's true
rotund tangle
? Pride/divinity don't help for duos
Well yeah what I mean is in H2 you don't have to choose between Epic boosting (Pride, ||Divinity||) and Duo boosting (Legacy, ||Queen||)
balmy fog
is a sword run supposed to be 13 minutes faster than a shield run?
mint coral
could be a lot of things
Maybe you ran into a super good sword build, and did something like ares special shield 
balmy fog
38 vs 25 minutes
doom attack shield and sword is just stack attack damage + deflect on attack
mint coral
Doom and hit and run playstyles def will be slower
Doom without the merciful end duo isn't really fast
rustic vale
is a sword run supposed to be 13 minutes faster than a shield run?
Every weapon should be pretty much about the same
lavish sorrel
approx. +- 30 seconds
balmy fog
Wishing I could skip past to Hades because I just turn my brain off to get through it all
urban zenith
Am I the only one who just stays in Eurydice's room listening to her sing?
nope
your are not alone
Aghr, I cant get my Hypnos bond yet... :/ :/ :/ :/ and Arthemide, but I didnt took dooms from her at the begining, so I dont blame her
LAST TWO to get whole colection :/ :/ :/
mint coral
hypnos's favor is so annoying
white shoal
omg
EM4 is so annoying
those stupid jars keep stealing my shots due to AA being stupid af
rustic vale
50
white shoal
honestly
the fight wasn't that much harder tbh
rustic vale
it’s just overkill vs your other options prior
white shoal
but losing half my shots to stupid jars made it take soooo much longer that it needed to
got him down to half hp on his 3rd phase
on my first try
woeful oak
Am I the only one who just stays in Eurydice's room listening to her sing?
Me too
wise token
damn
i just beat my first run
what was this ending
the fates are really cruel
i dont think this was the true ending though
so how do i get it
wise token
damn
mint coral
(you need 10 wins)
wise token
thats tough
white shoal
it gets easier with repetition
best advice I can give is simply: don't panic
soooo many of my runs were lost early on cuz I would just panic and do stupid things
man
I really hate how talking to ppl back at the house can prevent you from giving them nectar
wise token
man
I really hate how talking to ppl back at the house can prevent you from givi...
yep
my friend is really pissed about how they named Zagreus' mother Persephone and not Kore, which would be her name on the surface
coral dagger
hey does anyone know where can i ask for help about installing mods?
mint coral
and i think i missed the dialogue to unlock it
You can't miss out the dialogue
It will show up back at some point
Ideally if you don't advance main story
As those might get prioritized
vocal warren
You can't miss out the dialogue
It will show up back at some point
Even if i escaped multiple times?
mint coral
Yeah
wise token
https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerit...
we dont know
only knowledge she has is actual greek mythology
vocal warren
Ah i see
mint coral
Ah i see
Dialogue is basically a giant pool of what can be said so even if you miss out on something at first it will still be in that pool
Not to the level of codex but I received my first win dialogue from achilles after the credits
white shoal
lolololol
I just took out half of EM3 asterius' hp at the start of the fight
with a double crit from hazard bomb + hestia reload
mint coral
(On like my 3rd save file tbf)
vocal warren
It's just because i changed pc and i wanted to rush through everything
mint coral
lolololol
I just took out half of EM3 asterius' hp at the start of the fight
wit...
Hell yeah
Hazard crits are funny
Especially when it crits yourself
white shoal
1% still a lot of dmg on a crit XD
prisma bridge
only knowledge she has is actual greek mythology
Just keep talking to relevant gods
Although if your friend is pissed about that, hearing about how Hera and Demeter are children of Hyperion and not Cronus might be more maddening
white shoal
hype!
EM4 hades down
and a new record, to boot! (27:15.14)
white shoal
Although if your friend is pissed about that, hearing about how Hera and Demeter...
why did they make that change?
mint coral
Separating the incest as much as possible
prisma bridge
So that Hades isn't marrying his niece and Zeus didn't marry his sister and have Kore with his other sister
So here's the thing, I developed a tabletop RPG based on mythology for several years
Myths have all kinds of crazy holes in them and alternate stories and revisions and alterations depending on how they changed over the thousands of years they were told. Pop quiz, is Aphrodite born from the severed genitals of Uranus after they were cast into the sea, or is she the child of Zeus and Dione? Or is it both according to a later writer?
Trick question, all three are true
white shoal
funny
speaking of ttrpg's
I always thought it'd be cool to develop one based off of the world from dan machi
what with all the different mythological gods from different mythos all inhabiting the same city
prisma bridge
I remember hearing about people getting upset about Cronus/Chronos and it's like...the ancient Greeks also conflated the two all the time
white shoal
lul
ugh
this is like 4 runs in a row
where I haven't been able to gift meg more nectar
rustic vale
my friend is really pissed about how they named Zagreus' mother Persephone and n...
Kore isn’t that common of a name for her to be referred to these days
wise token
Kore isn’t that common of a name for her to be referred to these days
yes, but its still the correct one, as she told me
(she = my friend)
rustic vale
mmm
I don’t know if that actually storyline of Hades even supports that
she was already the Queen of Hades and could freely come and go and never ended up eating the pomegranates as far as the story is concerned seeing how she’s on the surface indefinitely until zag calls her home
mint coral
I don’t know if that actually storyline of Hades even supports that
||demeter still calls her that, persephone doesn't like it either iirc||
wise token
your friend must not pay much attention to the dialogue
(she didnt actually play the game)
white shoal
she should, then XD
wise token
she should, then XD
yeah all she actually knows is secondhand from me
white shoal
time to get her the game
and have her compete with you for best time XD 😛
wise token
i should
white shoal
loser gets to pick the conditions for the next run 😛
lavish sorrel
loser gets to pick the conditions for the next run 😛
(within reason)
wise token
(within reason)
no 64 heat then
white shoal
I mean, if the loser is picking the conditions
they'd obv pick something they'd be likely to do well at
lavish sorrel
oh yeah, and preferably ban re-picks too
white shoal
also, weapon, aspect, trinket are all included in that
white shoal
welp
this hestia aspect run is goin as poorly as can be
can't find arti
and I've been forced into 4 different gods via single reward paths each time T_T
absolutely no synergies, either
rustic vale
absolutely no synergies, either
I’d be hard pressed to find 4 gods w/ nothing going on
Should’ve just used arte keepsake if you wanted arte
white shoal
I'm in the process of lvling all of my keepsakes atm :/
only got a handful left
also, atm I got: ares, demeter, dio, and athena
athena dash is nice
but none of them really synergize all that greatly with hestia aspect
fortunately, I did manage to get clockets
so I just grabbed demeter special
and am just gonna hope for the best
rustic vale
but none of them really synergize all that greatly with hestia aspect
Fair enough
Ares does like
technically have a niche
lavish sorrel
brage + utk + bf is your niche
white shoal
ares is very pom reliant
and I didn't get the proper ares damage boons soon enough
so not enough poms to carry me
I don't know what any of those abbreviations mean
lavish sorrel
ares is very pom reliant
and I didn't get the proper ares damage boons soon enou...
brother none of the three boons I just listed either take poms or want poms
rustic vale
Battle rage/ urge to kill/ blood frenzy
white shoal
and those do what, again?
rustic vale
- massive damage to next strike or special after kill, + generic strike/special/cast additive and global +% after losing a dd
Respectively
rustic vale
or you could take a page out of the current Hestia speed wr and run ares strike
lavish sorrel
brage + utk + bf is your niche
(and dio has pv and stronk dronk I suppose, as well as alcocall)
rustic vale
I actually haven’t checked if it’s been usurped
white shoal
huh
rustic vale
they were running shackle start iirc
lavish sorrel
why do they run ares strike?
situational pick; don't actually do that
rustic vale
brage is meh
doesn't do jack vs bosses
90% of your run isn’t against bosses
so it helps for 90% of your run
lavish sorrel
let's just ignore my midnight brain mixing up brage and utk. nothing happened. 
white shoal
lul
rustic vale
I never keep them straight
mint coral
~~or you could take a page out of the current Hestia speed wr and run ares strik...
Lmao?
mint coral
let's just ignore my midnight brain mixing up brage and utk. nothing happened. <...
Urge to krill
mighty stratus
old bluff
it just happened
if we are talking about the hestia wr, thats over a year old lmao
rustic vale
if we are talking about the hestia wr, thats over a year old lmao
I meant it picking up ares strike
not the date
old bluff
i may be unable to read sometimes
white shoal
man
I do wish more hammer options had better synergy with hestia aspect
most of the atk based hammers are more QoL than anything
and nothing directly impacts your build like clockets or similar does for generic exagryph
white shoal
eh
I tried ricochet
and was severely underwhelmed
explosive shot is fine
but again, that's more QoL
the short range option doesn't modify the damage of your hestia shot, so there's no point in taking that
white shoal
man
this is so sad
leaving tartarus
and only one boon to my name
well
I guess I technically have 2 boons
keep forgetting chaos curses are boons
rustic vale
man
this is so sad
leaving tartarus
and only one boon to my name
Holy bad odds
white shoal
I mean
tbf, I did pass up a few boon options in favor of health picks, cuz I was hunting for arti boon, and didn't wanna fill up my pool if I didn't have to
mainly, I just don't like poseidon or zeus on hestia aspect
frozen lion
Health picks are better for later in the run imo
rustic vale
mainly, I just don't like poseidon or zeus on hestia aspect
Tidal dash never hurt a hestia run