h1-discussion

[plush needle]

Meg was probably makung fun of you

[mint coral]

I took like 20 for meg lol

[plush needle]

I like that everytime she tells you something different

[snow oasis]

do i buy hades 1 from steam since its on sale or play with xbox gamepass on pc

[plush needle]

I got it on switch

Idk

You can do both

[tough bramble]

Wait what

Really?

[mint coral]

20 runs to kill meg

I was bad at the game dawg

[tough bramble]

As in 20 tries at that boss?

[mint coral]

20 overall runs

Dunno how many were attempts

[tough bramble]

That isnt as bad as i thought haha

I mean, player levels are different

Everyone does things on their own pace and can enjoy

[mint coral]

New gamers are just too cracked 😔

[tough bramble]

Bro im almost 30💀

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t really have a huge indication on where you end up being in terms of Hades skill at the end of the day

[tough bramble]

It doesn't?

I'd suspect some correlation between starting skill and endgame skill

[rustic vale]

not currently no

[tough bramble]

For arguments sake: If an experienced gamer is a better overall player, that would indicate they would be a better starting player generally speaking in hades

Id suspect these people tend to have a higher skill ceiling on average as well

[rustic vale]

a lot of the people who start off better at Hades do so through experience with similiar games rather than idk raw talent

[tough bramble]

What data are you basing that on?

[rustic vale]

Asking people over 3 years

Not empirically

[tough bramble]

I see

[rustic vale]

and then

like

[tough bramble]

Well not that it even matters because we play for fun...

But im not ruling out the possibility that higher starting skill has correlation with a higher skill ceiling

[rustic vale]

the thing is I’m not saying people are hitting their skill ceiling

[vast raven]

also i was absolutely horrendous when i started out playing, this is anecdotal but i dont believe those that have an already better skill level are setup to have a higher skill ceiling on average? they may try pushing for it more so compared to those that did struggle early on so instead decided that was to be their peak (and they may have been right who knows)

[tough bramble]

You're saying that there is no connection between starting skill and people realizing their full potential (skill ceiling)

[rustic vale]

yes

95% of gamers don’t get close to their full potential playing Hades anyhow

[tough bramble]

Which we cannot prove for now, but that seems logical/intuitive to me

[lavish sorrel]

(>99%, frankly)

[tough bramble]

I'm saying that the actual skill ceiling of players might be correlated with starting skill

(Which we also cannot prove, but also seems logical/intuitive to me)

[lavish sorrel]

Almost everyone would have a sub7 and a 50 heat win if they cared to learn the game enough and put the time in

[rustic vale]

Sure but most players leave the game far before nearing their skill ceiling

[vast raven]

again theres the scare of the difficulty to it and lack of want to push for it

[rustic vale]

and of the few that really really have put their time and effort in, a fair amount of the top Hades gamers today absolutely sucked at the game when they started

especially if you compare them to the guys that are starting today

[tough bramble]

I don't know of course, but it might also be possible that you are an exception to the rule.

Another possibility is that you are right of course.

[tough bramble]

Comparatively to their current skill, or to new players?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[tough bramble]

Don't get me wrong, not bashing anyone. Just like these arguments as long as it doesn't tick people off

Guess we will never know

Unless we collect data and are able to score skill levels accurately

[lavish sorrel]

Alright, look at it like this:
How many things have you done in your life that you don't feel like doing as a job?
Take that percentage, and think of that percentage as comparable to that of the percentage of people not playing Hades seriously / competitively / at their highest level.

[vast raven]

we do in a way collect data though, through things such as the heat sheets or src submissions.

[tough bramble]

Yeah many people dont realiss their actual skill ceiling. But im not arguing that

Im arguing that the actual unrealised skill ceiling might be higher for people with a higher starting skill level

[lavish sorrel]

This is a very biased way of measuring this tbf, you're only accounting for the top 0.01% or whatever of players

[tough bramble]

This is not enough for empirical research. Yet. But it could explain some of it

For example, your population is extremely tilted / biased

Skewed

[tough bramble]

Only thing we can agree on, is that there is a non zero chance this is true

[rustic vale]

that could very well be true

[lavish sorrel]

You'd need to define "starting skill". Of course someone with a mentally or physically limiting disability may have more trouble performing than an entirely valid human being, but those aside, there is no way to prove that if a human lived through the exact conditions of that of the same human in an identical universe, they would take other actions or perform at a different level. Testing this hypothesis would first of all require having multiple universes evolving in parallel one could observe and take notes from, as well as having complete control over the universes in question (down to the level of states of subatomic particles).

[rustic vale]

starting skill is a really weird thing because it could be raw talent but there’s also just a number of things that would very much give you relevant experience to help you succeed early in Hades

Experience with the roguelite genre as a whole helps you with mechanical building concepts early, some gamers have creditted experience with more high octane video games or soulsbornes etc as to helping them with dodging and mechanical combat early

[vast raven]

^ that only still gets you so far though as in the end hades is its own game with its own mechanical intricacies

[lone kernel]

My first hades 1 clear was 45 runs, h2 was half that. It’s because I get the gist of the game now

[quaint fox]

@mint coral best aspect? Like rama

😭

[void vigil]

i started playing in early access patch 1 and it took me 50 tries to beat meg hope this helps (i only skimmed)

on the very first day of the game being out, shield had innate deflect. i tried to beat it before it was patched LOL and when i got to asphodel i was like holy moly i am never going to see this area again

[lavish sorrel]

Shield deflect instead of block wtf

That's a new one

[tribal dirge]

is it just me or the 2nd boss was super easy compared to the first boss D:

[void vigil]

it did both

[tough ocean]

I'd say they're similar, but your gear is better now than it was on your first attempt at the first boss

[remote salmon]

no, sorry i mean like

in the base game, defeating the meg gets you 1 titan blood, per weapon, right?

so, what am i getting by defeating her in helmode?

cause if its supposed to be a second titan blood, i didnt get any

[rustic vale]

you get the same stuff for beating her on a hellmode savefile

the only difference for a hellmode savefile is the 5 pacts you're forced to take a level of

[mint coral]

And as said before, you can't skip to the next heat till you beat dad

[remote salmon]

ah, so i suffer for no reward

this is fair

it pains me, but i asked for it

[steep condor]

the suffering is the reward

[mint coral]

When the hell mode is hell mode

[vast raven]

when the slugger neurons hit u for 200 dmg 🥀

[viral verge]

Can anyone suggest a video or series that strings together most of the important diologue through to the true ending? I'm struggling to find something that brings everything all together for a cohesive watch.

[buoyant root]

I am returning Hades 1 after a long time

[tribal dirge]

i mean just mechanically

it was just an easier fight overall

like with the first boss i have to really watch my positioning.. but with the 2nd boss it feels like im just spamming attack without a care lol

[rustic vale]

🔥

[rustic vale]

This until you get Lernie taxed lmao

[buoyant root]

Whats gonna be like after beating Hades for first time

Without dying

From first start with no upgrades

[rustic vale]

wdym by that

[buoyant root]

Just wanna know

[rustic vale]

Freshfile is a category that a few gamers play where they start up new save files and try (and succeed) at escaping on the first attempt if

that’s what you’re asking about?

[timber meadow]

"spamming attack without a care" is basically how I play these games

[buoyant root]

Yes

[rustic vale]

It’s roughly equivalent to 50 heat with everything unlocked

[buoyant root]

Just trying to learn

[rustic vale]

mhm

If you’re regularly buying out of run upgrades and what not it becomes significantly easier

not to mention you naturally unlock hermes, hammers, and the rest of the gods by doing runs after the first

[amber crest]

Don’t worry, as a fists gamer imma give you my advice.
If you’re using a sword, dash attack 2x, special, repeat
If you’re playing Achilles, dash attack x2, attack, special, repeat
If you’re playing shield, depends on the aspect
If you’re playing bow, dash strikexinfinity, or if it’s Chiron dash strike, special until you can’t.
Fists: ORA ORA ORA ORA
Gun: attack and dash attack as much as humanly possible and special when you can

[tribal dirge]

just unlocked the gun, does the dash attack do more damage per ammo than just standing still and holding attack to shoot?

[amber crest]

It does similar damage but you can move and shoot faster

So you always wanna be moving

Staying still is death in hades

[rustic vale]

It gives you mobility when firing and fires your next shot immediately ignoring the regular cooldown of gun

[rapid sorrel]

Is there any point to actually trying to fully complete this game? 😭 there are so many things to unlock

Just found out about the rank thing.

[rustic vale]

Ranks are the only thing that’s unrealistic

everything else is rather achievable

[rapid sorrel]

250000 darkness??? I imagine all of the prophetic lists have to be doing heavy lifting here

[rustic vale]

25000 darkness for chaos theme

not 250000

But ranks are 325000 total

[void vigil]

nah do not bother with ranks if you want to complete anything/everything else

[rustic vale]

I completed everything else about 400 hours prior to resource director

[void vigil]

aside from playing day 1 of early access on the same save, i did some serious darkness minmaxing to get all of the ranks. i suddenly decided to do it after getting not even one

i refunded the mirror for the last stretch, then had fun again refilling the mirror. lol

[rapid sorrel]

Do you earn more resources on god mode? I don’t use it but i might just for farming this after I’m done with everything else

[void vigil]

nope

it just reduces the damage you take the more you die and nothing else. it starts at 20% and caps at 80%

[rapid sorrel]

Tbf u get what I mean when i say all this is daunting right? The prophetic lists have to be doing heavy heavy lifting when it comes to gaining all the resources required for the unlocks and stuff

[rustic vale]

uhhhh

[void vigil]

totally. thats why i reiterate ranks are useless for gameplay

[rapid sorrel]

I cannot imagine that u have to get all the titans blood naturally for the insane amount u need to get full upgrades on everything

[rustic vale]

you get 252 titans blood just from bounties

[rapid sorrel]

There has to be a couple prophecies that casually give 5 apiece

[rustic vale]

I think prophecies give you at least another 20

[rustic vale]

And need a total fo 306

So bounties give you 5/6/ of what you nned

prophecies give you a bit more

[void vigil]

this is the resources i had when i completed it. no shortage of anything, just an absurd amount of darkness

[rustic vale]

and trading resources and fishing during that period will naturally net you enough

[void vigil]

i did a lot of runs to buy it at the styx shop

[rapid sorrel]

Bounties? Have I not encountered that system yet?

[rustic vale]

have you escaped yet

[rapid sorrel]

I have the pact of punishment and am using it slowly increasing heat

[rustic vale]

yeah

[rapid sorrel]

Yes numerous times

[rustic vale]

Bounties are the refreshing boss drops

[rapid sorrel]

😭

[rustic vale]

They’ll keep refreshing up to 20 heat for each weapon

so that’s 252 titan blood total from bounties

[void vigil]

i also upgraded all weapons at once, which was immensely satisfying

my guan yu level 1 clear is my pride and joy and i have absolutely nothing to prove it with, just trust me LOL

it was for the prophecy but i ended up winning

[rapid sorrel]

Also quick question what would you say are the best pacts to take?

[void vigil]

timer rank 1

or even 2

[rapid sorrel]

At the start I took each enemy having an extra shield at the start then two

[rustic vale]

there’s a pretty solid progression guide linked in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[rapid sorrel]

Thank you

[rustic vale]

I always recommend tight deadline (any amount) and extreme measures (up to 2, sometimes 3, never 4)

[rapid sorrel]

So is there any point to doing heat beyond 20 if they stop refreshing?

[void vigil]

i advise against more health or more enemies each room

[rustic vale]

There’s one thing from 32 heat

aside from that, it’s purely for the love of the game and the challenge

[rapid sorrel]

The last pillar? Or is like an actual upgrade

[rustic vale]

the last pillar

yeah

[amber crest]

Smt at 32, to forty if you want a challenge, after that you’re a masochist (joking…kinda)

[void vigil]

by the way, bounties go all the way up from 1 to 20 BUT the 0 heat is separate, meaning you can only get it without any heat. just from a normal run. on every weapon of course

[amber crest]

I got my 20 heat bounty on my bow before my 0 heat one

[rapid sorrel]

Oh ok. I mean I’m not too worried tbh, I’ve seen some broken builds online and I know from experience that even without a guide you can easily get a pretty damn strong build with a bit of luck and thinking ahead

[void vigil]

i got very comfy with 20 until i completed all bounties and went back to 0 after a while

apparently i had an insane pact but it was very fun and pretty consistent i didnt really vibe w anything else

[amber crest]

Broken builds can only get you so far…

[amber crest]

If it’s stupid and it works, it’s innovative

[rapid sorrel]

tbh the timer pact seems crazy to me? But then I checked and apparently most of my runs are around the 24 minute mark which feels wrong

They feel so much longer than that

[void vigil]

bow kinda trivializes everything but i loved it i had no problem doing that and only that for over 100 runs

[amber crest]

That’s in game time, which is paused for a lot of things

[rapid sorrel]

Ahhh ok

[rapid sorrel]

Bows actually one I struggle with a bit more haha

[amber crest]

How come?

[rapid sorrel]

and only one I haven’t broken out with is shield which is weird

Idk tbh

[void vigil]

wow this UI... i miss this game lmao but i need to lock in for h2
anyway it is kinda cursed but great fun

[rustic vale]

Ngl if you found “broken builds online” the source is 99% of the time bad at Hades

reddit: bad
Gaming journal: bad
youtube: straight up gambling

[rapid sorrel]

Nah I mean I found this stupid looking Dionysus cast build which actually seemed pretty strong

[amber crest]

Would you say cuz it’s kinda clunky or slow? That you’re getting hit too much?
Cuz I’ve got a diagnosis that could explain stuff

[rapid sorrel]

Somehow he got it to instantly cast?

[rustic vale]

The in-game time pauses at certain points

[amber crest]

A duo boon called ice wine

Love the thing

[rapid sorrel]

I don’t like things that make me think

[rustic vale]

Oh the windette video with ice wine trippy maybe

That one got really popular recently

[amber crest]

OH YEAH I LIKE THE VID

[amber crest]

that was months ago

[rustic vale]

that is recently

[amber crest]

I remember cuz I was having tons of fun explaining the build

[rustic vale]

if it happened within the last 4 months it’s recent

[rapid sorrel]

It’s also why I hate the elysium soldiers with shields

[rustic vale]

At least to me

[rapid sorrel]

Don’t make me have to actually use my head

[amber crest]

Then may i recommend a build?

[void vigil]

hera bow with aphrodite cast is just stupid. at any level

[rapid sorrel]

sure

[rustic vale]

Dash-striking on bow doesn’t use much going on up there

[amber crest]

Aspect of Demeter fists
Zeus attack
Poseidon dash
Aphrodite special
Zeus call if you can
Game plan:
dashstrike x2
Punch
Repeat
If you get the Demeter charge dash upper

[rapid sorrel]

Is there such thing as a health/tank build lmao? I can’t imagine there would be cos that’d be a little too stupid.

[amber crest]

That is ALSO true

[amber crest]

Oh definitely

[rapid sorrel]

I mean I guess cursed blade would count tho

It sounded hard but omg

[amber crest]

Its called Aspect of Arthur

[rapid sorrel]

Best enchantment ever like wtf

[amber crest]

Very popular among beginners, but I kinda hate it

[rapid sorrel]

Oh I just unlocked that like 20 minutes ago lol

[amber crest]

Its bottom tier for a lot of us actually

[void vigil]

its actually disgusting. friend started the game but is getting upset about not making much progress? here have this. Hera Bow Blast

[amber crest]

Cannon on an arrow

[rapid sorrel]

Doesn’t say anything about not taking damage tho? Just a slow effect on enemies and some super slow meaty cuts

[amber crest]

It’s absurdly cost efficient too

[rustic vale]

Literally just taking aphrodite for weaken and hyper sprint from hermes gives you 51% damage reduction

[void vigil]

i love arthur i didnt play any other sword :) i dont care abt the meta with that one i just put aphrodite and artemis on it and went off
a lot of people here did not like it tho

[amber crest]

That effect also reduces damage taken, and you get more health
Combined with Aphrodite and Hyper sprint and you’re not dying

[void vigil]

that was my go to for sword bounties

[amber crest]

I like every sword aspect except Zagreus

[rustic vale]

2 boon combo any weapon can reasonably slot and you start taking half the damage

plus aphro can hit you up with broken resolve and life affirmation for more damage reduction and more health

[amber crest]

Plus Aphrodite is a good god to put on a lot of builds anyways. She has the highest damage multiplier in the game

[vast raven]

*damage additive

[amber crest]

You get the point

[rustic vale]

just don’t wanna confuse anybody about how damage works

especially in a convo with a newer player

[rustic vale]

Tbf a lot of the people who have stuck around for a while are very partial to either speed or frankly stupid high heat

[void vigil]

turns out arthur falls off at 64 heat smh

[rustic vale]

sword on the whole falls off at like 60ish

iirc

either way the swords aren’t commonly used for high heat and arthur ain’t exactly speed central

[vast raven]

that sounds about right from what i remember

ex: vaxon's 60h modded arthur reccy

[rustic vale]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking of when I said that

Even before 60, it’s a small subsection of high heaters that even want to use sword and arthur for the matter

[old bluff]

Nah, there was that one guy on Reddit that was gonna write a tutorial on it

Still waiting tho

[scenic path]

oh are spoilers allowed now?

[old bluff]

Wrong channel, pls go to the hades 2 channels

[scenic path]

oops

[old bluff]

Ty!

[plush needle]

Hell9

Hades 1 SUPREMACY!

This game will never be irrelevant!!!!!

[fair hearth]

Am I right for saying the artimis was kinda broken in this game

[vast raven]

artemis does have a lot of potentially absurd setups with other gods yes

[old bluff]

Beo 😌

[amber crest]

She’s great

My fav god/goddess

[vast raven]

the “aphro cast mirage hera ”

[pulsar laurel]

Ty, hades blew me up in about thirty seconds

[plush needle]

Imo artemis and ares

Whenever I see them I pick them

My favs are Athenas, Ares and Artemis

[fair hearth]

Yeah I noticed in 2 she was not given an traditional boon role and her booms where changed and it made me think that they soft nerfed her

[plush needle]

Elite ball knowledge!

[fair hearth]

What is?

[plush needle]

Yeah she was better in 1 IMO

[plush needle]

Idk I just saw your profile picture

[fair hearth]

Awesome

[plush needle]

I really like jojos

[old bluff]

If only mirage on Hera was real 😔

[plush needle]

I miss Ares in 2

But we have Demeter and hestia

[vast raven]

please do try to keep discussion of h2 outside of h1 stuff tyty

[plush needle]

Oh ok sorry

[rustic vale]

Yhhhhh

eh

she’s good but I wouldn’t say broken outside of mirage shot literally being bugged on bugowulf

[fair hearth]

Also I think crit chance on fast weapons like rail and fists did a super lot of damage

[rustic vale]

She’s purely offensively oriented in a very useful/generic way compared to other mainly offensive gods like Ares

[plush needle]

Yeah I think Ares was a bit more broken

[mint coral]

[plush needle]

Like +200% on backstabs

[rustic vale]

Ares isn’t more broken than Artemis

[old bluff]

[rustic vale]

ares also doesn’t offer that

[plush needle]

Or 100+ more damadge after killing a foe

I liked that one

[rustic vale]

There is no ares boon for backstabbing

[pulsar laurel]

I like artemis

[plush needle]

Really? I thought there was

[rustic vale]

Nope

[plush needle]

Anyways ares is cool

[mint coral]

Shadow slash?

[pulsar laurel]

Mighta been a chaos boon

[mint coral]

Is the only +200% I can think lol

[rustic vale]

Even chaos can’t offer bumbers that high

Only shadow slash

[pulsar laurel]

Most I saw was 47% backstab off chaos

[rustic vale]

Artemis is better generically than Ares tbh so she slots in a lot of builds way way more

[rustic vale]

That would be a very low amount

Must’ve been common

[mint coral]

Does backstab chaos break the 100% range at epic

[rustic vale]

I think you can get upwards of 120% backstab damage lemme check

[pulsar laurel]

Thats crazy

I thought I lucked out tbh

[rustic vale]

wait

The lowest backstab from chaos can be is 60%

[pulsar laurel]

I got chaos in first area

[rustic vale]

60-80% common

[pulsar laurel]

Huh

[rustic vale]

I think you were thinking of a regular strike boon

[pulsar laurel]

Mighta been

I know I got 2 total

1 off chaos

[rustic vale]

Epic ambush is 120-160%

[pulsar laurel]

Other off artemis or smtn

Who offers those

[mint coral]

Beeg

[pulsar laurel]

I just remember the chaos one more

[mint coral]

Is ambush the highest % from chaos?

Idk the assault numbers

[plush needle]

I meant this one, I thought ares gave it

It is really good

[mint coral]

If only it applied to dash strikes

[old bluff]

Battle rage is what you are thinking of

Shadow slash is a hammer

[old bluff]

Goes up to 120%

[plush needle]

That is true, I beat this game so long ago, I am actually starting all over again

[pulsar laurel]

Elysium is starting to get easier

[plush needle]

Well

It is a huge wall at first

[pearl moon]

how to win at elysium without wasting like 2 death defiances

[rustic vale]

3 options

1. more patient play
2. better builds
3. better mechanical skill

You can very much choose all three

[polar aspen]

i can finally make another lovers reunion

i can finally let Achilles see Patroclus

[pearl moon]

the prob I have is mainly the guy abd the bull I kill the bull but then the guy summons a god it's gg

[wind topaz]

I realized picking aspect of chiron for bow is the only way to play 🫣

tried the crit aspect and didn't get Flurry shot, run turned so bad. took 52 mins to clear while last run only took 26 mins 😭

[rustic vale]

surely

another one fallen

[rustic vale]

notes: theseus can only use calls from gods you don’t have in your god pool, (if you have all the gods, he defaults to artemis). When he starts going crazy with his call, you can just focus purely on dodging and deal damage later

There will be some downtime between calls

[fading inlet]

i ahte the fact that they added hades to the Xbox game pass, when i have it on steam, wouldnt be a problem if my progress carried over 🙁

[pearl moon]

any thoughts here guys I have rare dash and epic dmg resist vs all enemies it's athena

[steady topaz]

You only hate it cus you don’t have progress on it?

[vast raven]

as the offered boons?

ddash all day every day

[steady topaz]

Athena dash is like the best one

[polar aspen]

Oh my god I'm tearing up xD the fact Zagreus is teaching Tisophone how to speak

[steady topaz]

Is that a h2 or h1 thing

Oh wait never mind

Tisiphone the murder murder fury

[polar aspen]

Zagreus: "No, murder. Zagreus. My name is Zagreus! Can you say that, Tisiphone? No murder. Zagreus!"

Tisiphone: "Murr... derr... zerrr..."

Zagreus: "Murderzer?!"```

[steady topaz]

lol

Murderzer

[polar aspen]

This game is so damned hilarious

[steady topaz]

Frfr

[polar aspen]

I can't believe Tisiphone is learning how to speak from zagreus

I have fought her so many times xD

[buoyant root]

I hate asphodel for 1 reason lava

[polar aspen]

Page is a little annoying but not too bad without the pact

[steady topaz]

True lol

Lava areas are like poison swamp areas in dark soul games

[polar aspen]

I somehow managed to drive a wedge through theseus and asterion's relationship

XD

At least according to Theseus

Asterius: "King, I think you are over-reacting, here. Try to be reasonable. And be more considerate about my point of view. Don't think I am asking for too much."

Theseus : "You're asking the impossible of me! But, let us fight. And let us lose, I'm sure, because if we are not a team, what are we, then, Asterius ...?"```

[pulsar laurel]

I hate asophdel for the witches

[polar aspen]

The answer to that: Athena

Divine flourish on the bow pretty much renders their attacks null and void

[pulsar laurel]

Yeah but it sucks to find them on a fist run

[rustic vale]

divine dash also does wonders since

every weapon wants to dash

or just outdamage them before it matters

[pulsar laurel]

The witches for me are either divine dash or dps

I heard their room has a cheese spot tho?

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t know

It has a meg set-up to destroy all 4’s armour

which easily removes like

90% of the fight time

Any armour shredding hammers as well

[fading inlet]

On Xbox no, no progress. I'm just OCD and like all my games in one place

[steep holly]

Hello! just got the game and It's pretty cool so far!

[pulsar laurel]

It is weirdly addictive

I expected to drop it in half an hour like 90% of gamepass entries

[rustic vale]

Mmmm

It pulls me back in every 6 months to play more

either to do high heat content or lower my speedrunning times or just to play it forr the fun of playing it

Well it usually starts out with me wanting to play more Hades and then spirals out from there

[pulsar laurel]

Lmfao

I just love the structure

Reminds me of hi fi rush a bit

In that the entire campaign is the tutorial

[void vigil]

Loveeee I think chai and zag could chill

[grand swallow]

Oh we talking Hi Fi

Love me some Hi Fi Rush

I think Zag and Korsica would chill more so than Zag and Chai

[void vigil]

I trust you I very very sadly did not finish the game

[grand swallow]

You didn’t?

Finish it!

It’s so great

[void vigil]

It’s just not how I roll… 😎

(I’m so bad at finishing games and it’s a problem I really hate)

It really is great

[grand swallow]

Legit, Hi Fi Rush is my favorite game from 2023. Above Starfield and Baldur’s Gate 3 for me

[void vigil]

Starfield was kind of a miss no?

for its expectations maybe

[grand swallow]

I loved Starfield, personally

I went in knowing it was going to be a Bethesda game, so my expectations were at the level appropriate for it

[void vigil]

I have bg3 but I didn’t get too far into it bc I was playing with other people but it did not work out. It’s ok I’ll make my own playthrough someday

I see I see

[grand swallow]

Plus, Starfield has a great Ship Builder in it. And I’m just a fan of big space exploration style games

[void vigil]

It’s a little sad. It was so expected and then I heard modders kinda left it to go back to skyrim modding which is both sad and hilarious if true

[void vigil]

Have you played prey 2017 if not you should play prey 2017

It’s heavily discounted on the steam store autumn sale Right Now you should play prey 2017

[grand swallow]

I have heard good things about Prey

Mainly from the song Miracle of Sound made of Prey

[void vigil]

If you crave that space exploration feel with some constant dread and like, idk good and creative gameplay

It’s your game

Still sad that arkane austin shut down

[grand swallow]

I’m not sure which game got me into rogue likes more

Hades 1 or Binding of Isaac

[void vigil]

They’re totally different. Some ppl will get so mad abt the comparison

[grand swallow]

That’s why I like them both a lot, they’re very different and gives me variety

Same with some others I like, Risk of Rain 2, Dead Cells, Balatro, Bullets Per Minute and Luck be a Landlord

[void vigil]

In that binding of Isaac is a Roguelike that you randomly completely start over
And hades is a roguelite because you can power up between attempts

omg I love luck be a landlord

it’s so funny

[grand swallow]

Bullets Per Minute I highly recommend

[tough bramble]

Dont be silly lol. Testing this does not require multiple universes😂

[grand swallow]

It’s a rhythm FPS rogue like game based on Norse Mythology

[void vigil]

I saw my friend play it and it looked really cool but I think I couldt bear the visual filter

Is metal hellsinger similar enough?

[tough bramble]

The only way to measure correlation between the two is a way to measure skill at start and measure skill ceiling. All the other factors can be controlled for to see if it takes away from any correlation. Have you done empirical research?

No multiple universes there lol

[grand swallow]

Yeah. I haven’t tried it personally but I’ve seen gameplay of it

[tough bramble]

Also, i dreamt i was the child of zeus and woke up with a literal zap

Not even joking

[grand swallow]

Nice

[void vigil]

dreams are weird

[grand swallow]

Imma start having dreams of Homer narrating me sleepwalking

[void vigil]

Some years ago I had a nightmare where my back (specifically my spine) was being horrifically mauled and I woke up with my back burning and it hurt for the rest of the day too

[rustic vale]

How tf are you going to measure a skill ceiling

or a skill floor

[grand swallow]

With a ruler, probably

[rustic vale]

mmm

I was thinking a scale

but that works too

maybe a thermometer even

[grand swallow]

We already have that

It’s called Heat

[rustic vale]

“All other factors can be controlled for” lemme just control any and all other video experience a gamer might have

[grand swallow]

The easiest being 64 definitely

[void vigil]

Leveler perhaps

[rustic vale]

Risk of Rain 2 is so funnn

[rustic vale]

Man the comparision isn’t even like that narrow

Hades gives you 80 billions ways to influence rng to have a build

[tough bramble]

We can figure some criteria out

[rustic vale]

Isaac gives u nada

sure

[grand swallow]

Isaac gives you biblical and parental trauma

[tough bramble]

The factors of upbringing, demographics, age, gender, experience etc can all be controlled for

[grand swallow]

Hades gives you mental anguish for how beautiful everyone is

[rustic vale]

mmm surely

[void vigil]

‘tis what i meant!

[tough bramble]

Im saying its possible to measure this empirically

[void vigil]

idk people get really heated about the like/lite thing and in general about rogue

Like the rerelease of rogue that called it a roguelike

[rustic vale]

to me like

that endgame state you achieve after you have everything

at that point the game is just a roguelike

there is no more powering up

and so you may as well just compared to maxed out roguelite to the roguelike

[void vigil]

I don’t think gender and upbringing necessarily control how well you can play a game and how good you can get
Age does, to a degree, because reflexes get slower (but that’s really only a problem for the fish lmao)

[rustic vale]

Also Isaac does have meta-progression so it’s a roguelite anyways no

[void vigil]

oh rlly

[rustic vale]

You unlock different characters and items

that is

meta progression

[tough bramble]

Yeah no thats not the point of the research. You simply control for them to rule out it influences the relationship

I agree wkth what you said tho

[rustic vale]

Prior video game experience and which videos games and how much is the real control factor tbh

[void vigil]

Mhm. I guess not powering up and just having different ways/characters to play is the difference

[tough bramble]

That are two, yes

[void vigil]

I likea walking simulators and visual novels I have over 700 hours in hades

[tough bramble]

Control variables dont measure direct effects or hypotheses

[void vigil]

huh?

[tough bramble]

No need to disprove, just controlling

[void vigil]

that is me and my library of games and playtime

[tough bramble]

Nvm

[steep condor]

i was afraid i'll never make heat 50 now that i'm officially old but i'm still impeccable at the fishing game even out of practice

[void vigil]

You made it to What,

[steep condor]

i made it to 45, and then real life got in the way

and h2, i guess

[tough bramble]

Whats old?

[steep condor]

not young

[tough bramble]

But before people get mad at me, im not saying any of those things such as gender or age matter. Those are just some variables you can control for in empirical research 🙂

[tough bramble]

Im 29, would that be the former or the lattter?

[steep condor]

idk man i'm not gonna decide what's old or young for anyone else

but if you were talking about esports or something, yes, it's old. i think reflexes fall off mid 20s

[tough bramble]

Ah yeah fully agree

So its relevant to control for in such a research 🙂

Likely

[steep condor]

may be of interest to you: https://ehpi.org/over-the-hill-at-24-persistent-age-related-cognitive-motor-decline-in-reaction-times-in-an-ecologically-valid-video-game-task-begins-in-early-adulthood/

While researchers found that reaction time began declining after age 24, there was not a drop-off in performance. Players over 24 developed compensatory strategies–improved processing efficiency, better strategic decision-making, etc.

they also go into detail about research methods, it says they used battle.net ids / league info to get data. for hades, you would have to extract data from the run history, likely across multiple save files. and it would be very difficult to get enough subjects to get a significant conclusion out of it, probably

[void vigil]

Oh my god I’m past Gamer™ age?? This must be the reason I am hardstuck in bronze and not grandmaster like I should be

[tough bramble]

Thank you

[void vigil]

(Jokes. I don’t play competitive it’s miserable)

[tough bramble]

I really dig these kinds of things

Love hades too, so 1+1=2

Makes sense also, i am better at games that require a bit of planning and intelligence these days.

Though i wouldnt call myself slow just yet😂

[modest cipher]

From the study design perspective, I imagine the toughest problem with measuring whether people are reaching their skill ceiling and how high it is would be defining what a skill ceiling is and determining what it is for any individual.

[rustic vale]

The shear amount of time you have to put in to get to your skill ceiling is absurd

I don’t think a single person has actually hit theirs yet

it just gets harder to grow as you approach it

[rapid sorrel]

I was wondering if I had to unlock the other fishies but it turns out there was a whole thing with perfect fishing?

[obtuse raven]

Hey i started playing hades today, anything you wanna tell me so that I can kinda play good and beat in less run

[rapid sorrel]

Try to plan out runs partially. Aka if u do a lil bit of thinking, you should be able to come up with a decently good build that can help carry you (that’s what I do). Also tbh just focus on getting upgrades, they can really help out

How far are you into the game?

[obtuse raven]

And which weapon should I choose in the earliest choice

[obtuse raven]

Like i was just admiring the graphics and build and game style I have done 3-4 run but I'll restart the game to start with story

[rapid sorrel]

Wait hollon it’s been a while. When you start do you get to choose which weapon to unlock first?

[obtuse raven]

Idk there is a choice

[rapid sorrel]

Tbh go sword then. All weapons can be really good but swords good cos it’s simple so even idiots like me can understand what to do

Also it has a super strong enchantment you can get in a run

[obtuse raven]

Ic well the graphic is so fire and the art style of greek gods 🥵

[grand swallow]

Everyone is Hot in Greek Mythology

[obtuse raven]

Fr

[grand swallow]

Even Charon. Especially Charon

[rapid sorrel]

Haha weaksauce

[obtuse raven]

Lol

[rapid sorrel]

I thirst for the house contractor

[grand swallow]

I thirst for the shade that cheers Zag on

[amber crest]

I like water

[obtuse raven]

How many runs did it take you to beat?

[grand swallow]

Water is my favorite flavor of Mtn Dew

[grand swallow]

First time? I think 8.

[amber crest]

Wait what

[grand swallow]

7 or 8

[amber crest]

For the record that is farrrrr below average

[obtuse raven]

Just 8 I heard ppl go 20-25

[grand swallow]

To beat the whole game or just escape for the first time?

[amber crest]

I got it in 27, and that’s still slightly below average

The average is 30-40 I believe?

[obtuse raven]

Is there more after escaping bruh

[grand swallow]

I mean, it's a rogue like

So yeah

[amber crest]

You can’t beat the whole game in 8 runs

[grand swallow]

Yeah, I got my first escape in 8 runs.

[amber crest]

It’s physically impossible

[amber crest]

That’s quite impressive, nice job!

[grand swallow]

Beating the game took me about 40ish

[obtuse raven]

I mean when can u say that you beat it?

[grand swallow]

You'll know

[obtuse raven]

Lmao

Ic

[grand swallow]

That's all I can say without spoiling

[rapid sorrel]

I dont remember. It felt like a lot but was probably in the late teens or smth

[obtuse raven]

Gooooood buuuooooyy

nvm

[rapid sorrel]

lmao

[grand swallow]

I have yet to beat Hades 2, though. I did win my first run, though

[rapid sorrel]

this always happens lmao. in souls games I’ll feel like I’ll be fighting a boss for ages

[grand swallow]

Took me 12 runs for Hades 2

[rapid sorrel]

And then I’ll look and I’ll be like 5 attempts in

[obtuse raven]

Have you completed HK and silksong?

[grand swallow]

Well first off, what is HK? Second off, I haven't played any Hollow Knight games

[rapid sorrel]

There are like 10 consecutive different endings in hades so I imagine thats the same for hades 2 lmao

[grand swallow]

Yep.

Even more

From what I have been told

[obtuse raven]

Well i chose hades to play bc i don't have much time like 45 min max so... BUT I LIKE IT

[obtuse raven]

Lol

[grand swallow]

I will say, my favorite game of all time is Red Dead Redemption 2

Hades 2 is now my 2nd favorite game of all time

It beat out Hades 1, Lol

Though Hades 1 is still extremely fun, and I cannot get enough of my boy Zag

[obtuse raven]

Ye indie games really breaking records now

[rapid sorrel]

Dw you don’t have to invest a ton of time if you don’t want to

[obtuse raven]

Huh?

[rapid sorrel]

It’s just that there are like 10 billion different points you could call endings (they even have like credits)

[rapid sorrel]

I mean I’m just saying you don’t need to feel daunted

I know I still kinda do considering the insane amount of stuff ingame

[obtuse raven]

Daym but I won't mind playing it for months if I find it really good

[rapid sorrel]

best way to approach it is to just not treat it ever as something to be completed

just play and have fun and progress without worrying about actually beating the game (or else you’ll be driven mad by the completionist urge like I am)

[obtuse raven]

Tbh I get that urge too but imma enjoy the game

[mint coral]

There's only 1 ending and epilogue...

A win progresses the story, I wouldn't call that an ending

[amber crest]

Let’s make conversation
Whats the most underrated aspect?

[mint coral]

Thinking of the overall community I'd say guan Yu??

In this server in specific I can't think if anything

[amber crest]

Yeah Tbf it’s hard to say an underrated one

Like, I’d say Zagreus bow

But that’s because all the other bows are more popular

[autumn jewel]

wdym chiron bow is popular
chiron worst bow hera best bow

[amber crest]

It’s more popular than zagreus

Especially in the newer audience

[lavish sorrel]

Rotation is easier to figure out so many newer players flock to it 👍

[lunar plume]

I just defeated Hades for the 2nd time (on Heat 1). I hoped you would somehow get the rewards for lower Heats. So do I have to actually beat every heat level with every weapon for every reward? Sounds kinds tedious.

[amber crest]

Yup

A total of 126 runs minimum

It’s a roguelite, so “tedious” is to be expected

[lunar plume]

I guessed that after I saw i only have 22% achievements after I beat the "final boss"

I'm not much of a roguelite player, this is probably the biggest I played so far. But at the last sale I thought it would be cheap enough to just give it a try. And so far i don't regret it 😄

[fading inlet]

4th time making to the big boss, this time with the sword, and yet its still too much for me 🙁

[amber crest]

Don’t worry, everyone progresses at different rates, and this game is designed for you to die. A lot. Keep on trying and you’ll get it!

[fading inlet]

i think my problem this time was seeing what would happen if i finished all the ||cells in the river styx, || and lost one of my death defiances. noted for next time.

[amber crest]

Just for the record, you only need to censor in the new players channel

[lunar plume]

pretty much the same happened to me. was just curious and got punished for it ^^

[fading inlet]

yeah punished big time lol but i loved my setup

been a big fan of charon's hourglass. i just stack all the boosts.

[lunar plume]

really? I rarely us that things

[amber crest]

It’s a good item

[amber crest]

It’s quite nice

[fading inlet]

allows you to have the well's items for longer, so buffs last longer and you just fly through most of the rooms

[amber crest]

What’s your fav weapon

[fading inlet]

was doing around 1k-1200 damage at one point

used to be the spear, but im a simple fan of the sword. cant go wrong with it

the bow takes too long to power up, imo, dont like the fists or the rail. at all.

and the sheild is........🤷

[lunar plume]

i like the bow and the fists the least. I used to not like Exagryph, but it got a plus point for beeing my first weapon to defeat Hades :D I had a strong special so could nuke him from afar

[mint coral]

A fun thing to do is equipping in elysium, buy the charon well before styx then swap to another keepsake

It keeps the bonus timer

Then as long as you get a 2 sack you get to carry the buffs to dad

[fading inlet]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooo THATS AWESOME!

[lunar plume]

Funny enough my second win was with the fists, which i didnt expect at all to win ^^

[fading inlet]

ill beat him today, i just know it hahaha

just need the right boons and all is well.

[mint coral]

If you get decent luck then any item bought in elysium itself will also last to dad

[lunar plume]

btw is it just me or is frost in this game really good? I love to have it ^^

[mint coral]

Is okay

[fading inlet]

at first i didnt think so but the call was really good my last run

but artimis is my choice, more damage is always a plus.

[mint coral]

Most of the time if I have chill is not because I needed chill itself but just needed a % special or snow burst

Killing freeze is great tho

[lunar plume]

is that the dot or the explosion? I really like the dot, especially on bosses where its easy to apply ^^

[lavish sorrel]

#h1-discussion message

[mint coral]

DoT

[fading inlet]

hahaha thats funny

glad i can be apart of an awesome game's community.

[pearl moon]

hey guys I'm really stuck on Hades can anyone help me out I'm usually wanting just to spam attack on spear if it has an Ares or Dionysus boon I don't use specials nor the casts

the main issues I have is when going into temple of styx.. I'm out of money and I can't buy from charon

and also the fact that I also use up 2/3 rez's during theseus/asterios fight

[amber crest]

First of all, I’d recommend learning a strong, reliable build you like.
Second of all, I’d recommend getting very good at that specific weapon and build. This is done by trying to beat the game with it. This will involve dying. A lot.
3. Learn patience, god pools, resource management, attack patterns and dash timing.

Of course, upgrade your mirror and aspects on the way

Also, cast once on every boss it improves your damage a lot

[lavish sorrel]

(boiling blood +50% additive on attacks and specials 😌)

[amber crest]

Take more money rooms throughout your runs

[amber crest]

That’s just practice. Kill Asterius first and remember to use the pillars as cover

[pearl moon]

most stuff of mine is already maxed aside from the rare and epic percents and rerolls on the mirror

[amber crest]

Aspects?

Also what aspect do you main?

[pearl moon]

spear

[amber crest]

Aspect, not weapon

[pearl moon]

zagreus I think or achilles the one where I throw the spear and I can go to it

[amber crest]

Achilles

And now I see the problem

You HAVE to special with Achilles

Do you know what Aspect of Achilles does?

[pearl moon]

uhhh... nope

[lavish sorrel]

Extra damage for the next 4 attacks, specials and casts after double-tapping special

Like 150% more damage

[amber crest]

That tracks. Understanding your weapon is very important.
If you know your enemy and you know yourself, you need not fear the result of a thousand battles

Ok nvm it’s not that deep

[lavish sorrel]

- Sun tz- uh, nugget

[amber crest]

It’s not a direct quote

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah ik hence the self correction

[amber crest]

Specials give your next 4 attacks a lot of damage. A LOT of damage.
So special more

[amber crest]

Ah I see

[pearl moon]

gotcha

[amber crest]

It’s also a popular cast aspect

[pearl moon]

so as of rn I'm on a run got an attack boon from ares and a chaos boon to boost my attack now I have a zeus boon to choose

choices are common cast rare dash rare revenge

[amber crest]

Anyways, you want to either run ZAP (Zeus attack, Aphrodite special to set up smoldering air, and Poseidon dash)
Or
Hunter strike (Artemis attack), and any dash you prefer.
Or
A cast build

[amber crest]

For Zeus?

[pearl moon]

yep

[amber crest]

I’d take revenge

His dash sucks, and the cast is just alright

I see some people grabbing cast here tho

[lavish sorrel]

Every aspect is Aspect of ROD

[pearl moon]

now a hard choice both have armor what do I take... trial of the gods zeus and ares or aphrodite

[lavish sorrel]

Avoid trials like the damned plague pls ty

[amber crest]

Well considering you’re going ares attaxk, shall we try to guide an ME build?

[amber crest]

That’s a little harsh, but yes I wouldn’t go there in your situation

Trials aren’t that bad

But you don’t fit the specifications that warrant taking them

[lavish sorrel]

Trial are slow, inconsistent depending on the god and enemies, and cannot even give duoboons. The only time one should justify it is if one lacks boons on a high heat run or one is planning on acquiring ME later down the line, and using the trial to get prereqs/ddash/ID.

[pearl moon]

so... for aphro I have these choices... Rare special and rare call or epic dmg reduction

[amber crest]

Ummm

I kinda wanna say hold off on filling your special slot so you can get ME

BUT thats quite greedy

[pearl moon]

special then?

[amber crest]

I’d take the damage reduction, but idk if that’s the best choice for you

Do you have privileged status on

[pearl moon]

uhh what

[amber crest]

A mirror thing
Extra damage if there are two debuffs on enemies

[pearl moon]

oh... well... I think I have to die to check

[amber crest]

Also if you like her call grab it

[pearl moon]

is it purple or green

[amber crest]

Purple I believe

[pulsar laurel]

I got to beat hades!

[amber crest]

Woohoo

[pearl moon]

well if it is I do

[pulsar laurel]

I do feel a bit bad tho

[amber crest]

Then take Aphrodite special, though I don’t like it

[pulsar laurel]

Build was kinda cheesy

The standard doomshield

[amber crest]

Pffft dad doesn’t deserve pity

[pulsar laurel]

I got through with 2 spare death defiances tho

[amber crest]

So? Just means you did well

[pulsar laurel]

Thank you

Im curious how much dialogue I skipped by completing a run

[amber crest]

Not much

How many attempts?

[pulsar laurel]

Thanks for the heads up

I think 13 or 14

I got to theseus on my 2nd or 3rd attempt tho somehow

[amber crest]

Ok then maybe you missed out on a bit more than a bit

But only a bit

That’s really fast actually

[pulsar laurel]

I came from silksong lol

[amber crest]

Quite impressive

[pulsar laurel]

I was already a twitchy dodger

[amber crest]

Even then

[pulsar laurel]

But thank you

My main wep was actually the bow somehow

[amber crest]

I’m the opposite, came from hades to silksong

[pulsar laurel]

Apparently thats one of the less popular ones

[pearl moon]

so... uhh...I took the dmg reduction bought artemis call before fighting meg

[pulsar laurel]

How you doin in SS

The damage reduction is surprisingly solid tbh

[amber crest]

Wdym somehow it’s a good weapon. Only less popular for beginners

[pulsar laurel]

Its 13+19% ish?

[amber crest]

Solid choice

[pulsar laurel]

Yeah, was surprised is all

I thought it was the most newbie friendly at first cuz range

Also game wanted me to win lol

[pearl moon]

switched up keepsakes from ares to athena just for her dash hopefully

[amber crest]

Still in Act 2, fighting the Whiteward boss.
ANYWAYS BACK ON TO HADES

[pulsar laurel]

I got 4 super synergistic boons

[amber crest]

ABSOLUTELY
if you see her special take it first trust me

[pulsar laurel]

Doom special ares

Damage reduction aphrodite

Healing buff demeter

Dio dash (lol)

[amber crest]

Thats… not that synergistic

[pulsar laurel]

It was mostly just the tanking

I was unlucky on attack boons

Doubled up on doom

[amber crest]

Not great

[pearl moon]

as of rn I'm on ashpodel and first station is... a centaur soul

[pulsar laurel]

I was tanky tho

Had 300hp

[lavish sorrel]

"idk man as someone with 40 10 heat runs under my belt I will always pick Drunken Dash over literally anything else"

[pulsar laurel]

Also got triple hermes daah lmao

[amber crest]

Yayyyy

[pulsar laurel]

So zag was just absolutely plastering his dad with wine vapors

[amber crest]

Hey, luck is a skill

[lavish sorrel]

(Mate, my message was sarcastic, reference to an old hades copypasta)

[pearl moon]

ok guys so I have literally 4 coins do I take the coin chamber or hermes

[pulsar laurel]

My brains off sorry

Beat hades for the first time

Literally just introduced himself to patrocles

[autumn jewel]

the big brain tactic that is overwriting dio call with dio dash

[pulsar laurel]

I will say I love how much better I feel

[amber crest]

Hermes

[pulsar laurel]

I got to theseus on my last 3 attempts

Lowkey elysium is harder than styx

[amber crest]

Such is the beauty of Hades

[amber crest]

I see where you’re coming from, and I kinda agree

[pulsar laurel]

Elysium feels like a slugfest

Styx is mostly just tryna blitz the rooms with hp intact

[lavish sorrel]

the Breaking Wave Poseidon boon from Hades the videogame

[amber crest]

That’s very room for a speed runner, and the second part is optional

[pearl moon]

rare atk speed... epic coin per chamber or common dodge chance

[amber crest]

Side hustle

(Coins)

[pulsar laurel]

Im taking screenshots of the ending

[amber crest]

If you wish

[pulsar laurel]

Lmfao

[pearl moon]

and now I'm off to yet again another centaur soul (got no choice already at 150 max hp)

[pulsar laurel]

Now to do it with the railgun

Im ngl im awful with that thing

How do yall do it

[amber crest]

Anyway gn yall

[pulsar laurel]

Gn

[amber crest]

SHOOT STUFF.
SPAM ATTACK
SPAM SPECIAL
SPAM DASH ATTACK

[lavish sorrel]

Want me to give you a basic overview

[pulsar laurel]

Yes plz

Im a 0 heat scrub

[amber crest]

anyway yall imma return to darkness

[pulsar laurel]

I just realized persephone has massive eyebrows

[pearl moon]

I know this is dumb to ask but rare cast rare dash or epic dmg reduction

athena

[pulsar laurel]

Imo dmg reduction

[brisk trail]

hI

[amber crest]

DASH

[pulsar laurel]

Wait lol

[brisk trail]

Can you heal in h2?

[pulsar laurel]

To double check

Is this first one

Or uptiering

[amber crest]

Wrong game

[pulsar laurel]

Cuz the dash is 90% the priority

But leveling it up isnt

[brisk trail]

So no healing in hades 2

[pulsar laurel]

Wouldnt know

[amber crest]

Go to another channel

[autumn jewel]

ask in #h2-for-new-players

[amber crest]

Wouldn’t know, haven’t played

[pulsar laurel]

Did you not enable the h2 channel

[autumn jewel]

I ain't wanna get spoiled again

[amber crest]

I’ve taken enough spoilers that it’s better for me to just take one for the team

I literally woke up just to say this
Anyway gn

[pulsar laurel]

Are yall just not opting in for hades 2 channel

[pearl moon]

Pom... on artemis call aphro dmg reduction or revenge dmg

[pulsar laurel]

I joined like 3 days ago

[pulsar laurel]

Tbh whatever suits you best

Artemis call is a nice panic button

[amber crest]

L0AoZS can you help Blitz I need to sleep

[pulsar laurel]

Revenge is assuming you'll eat low damage hits

[amber crest]

Doesn’t matter your answer, imma sleep now

[pulsar laurel]

I prefer aphro damage reduction myself

Idk why but the values seem to be higher than athenas

[lavish sorrel]

So.
Your basic rotation on ¾ of rails is starting with a special, then hold down attack (and dashstrike around) until your special lands, then release attack, reload, and repeat.

Remember to reload between enemy waves. Feel free to rebind reload to something more accessible if you have trouble pressing it.

The main hammers you'd be looking for are (from most to least): delta chamber = rocket bomb = cluster bomb > triple bomb > targeting system > pretty much everything else

The boons you want are zeus attack, as many tier 2 zeus boons as you can find (namely static discharge, storm lightning, and splitting bolt), poseidon's dash (along with razor shoals and breaking wave), and a strong special-boon (artemis / aphrodite is best). Any duoboons you may find are fair to pick up, this build referred to as ZAP ("Zeus Artemis Poseidon" or "Zeus Aphrodite Poseidon") opens two that are useful here (Lightning Rod / Smoldering Air, and sometimes Sea Storm if you decide to pick up a Poseidon cast too)

[pearl moon]

OML

I defeated the duo without using my revives

and I still got a bag

300+ coins

FFFFFFF

3/4s hp

1/4 was left

FFFFFF

[rustic vale]

If this is in reference to damage reducation, the actual equation is
(1-damage reduction source A)*(1-damage reduction source B)*(…

So it’s not additive

[plush needle]

Hello

Hell-o

This is hell, oh?

Hello, I like that name

Sorry I'm just stupid

[pearl moon]

...

[lunar plume]

I just got the hammer upgrade for the bow where you constantly fire at cost of the power shot (which i barely get anyway). Wow, that makes it a very different weapon. And i like it, feels like a gatling gun, but without the annoying reload :D

I just got the last mirror upgrade. Is there any further use for the keys? Or trading the only thing I can do with them now?

[mint coral]

If you have all weapons too then yeah, trade away

Keep 15 with you cuz there a 1 blood for 15 keys deal

[pulsar laurel]

I got a 2 hades kill streak!

[pulsar laurel]

So its mostly the special, not the gun?

2nd hades kill was only slightly less degenerate

Last stand boon lol

[lavish sorrel]

The hammer-scaling for special is much better than that for attacks, on rail

[pulsar laurel]

Rockets are best?

Also I went from 20hp to 150hp from last stand

You're kinda unkillable if you play it defensive lmfao

[lavish sorrel]

Cluster bomb + Rocket Bomb creates a combo called "clockets", which is bugged to deal more damage than intended (the -30% damage doesn't apply)

Hence why they're at the very top of the ordering

[pulsar laurel]

To clarify, you mean x3 special and rocket

[lavish sorrel]

No, cluster

The x5

[pulsar laurel]

I dont think I saw cluster yet

My hands are still shaking lol

Stubborn roots is absurd I realize

[autumn jewel]

"The main purpose of Stubborn Roots in the game of Hades for personal computer is to sell it at the Purging Wells." ~Haelian

[pulsar laurel]

It carried me through my 2nd clear

Tbh I picked up the zeus shield idea from haelan

I was gonna do a sensible clear with 3 death defiances vs hades but thesaurus somehow took all of them

[lunar plume]

now that i think about it, if wouldnt have choked at the end (he was an less than half health) it could have been my 2nd clear in a row. And that with my 2 least favorite weapons :D (although the rapid fire bow made the weapon more favorite for me)

[pulsar laurel]

What do u mean

[rustic vale]

The strike is still very crucial for most of your dps

[lunar plume]

I mean I almost defeated Hades with my bow, which would have been my 2nd escape in a row

[pulsar laurel]

Hey shackle

I'm abt to use the railgun now

Who'd you recommend for a deity boon?

[rustic vale]

zeus is 100% the starting god

[pulsar laurel]

Got 2nd clear in a row with rooted of all things lol

[rustic vale]

Zeus strike is the best option by a long shot for every rail but Hestia

[pulsar laurel]

Thank you

I just realized I never gave zeus ambrosia lol

Across like 15 runs

[rustic vale]

[pulsar laurel]

Is the eris aspect best

Or rather easiest to use

[rustic vale]

eris and hestia are both really really solid aspects but eris is definitely more generic and faster for speed

none of the rail aspects are bad actually unlike other weapons so you can’t really go wrong

[pulsar laurel]

So eris gives a sizeable self buff

Hestia just buffs a shot right?

[rustic vale]

it gives you a massive sniper shot

essentially

[pulsar laurel]

Ohhh

Oh lmfao

[rustic vale]

That’s the aspect where zeus isn’t as good

[pulsar laurel]

I just realized this is a cod perk

So zeus for eris

[rustic vale]

Because you mainly just focus on it being a massive sniper and use +% strikes instead

[pulsar laurel]

And the idea is get lightning damage on special + jolt followup

[rustic vale]

zeus for eris, zeus for zag rail (unless you’re using spreadfire)

what

no

lightning damage on strike

you want +% damage on special

[pulsar laurel]

The normal strike?

[rustic vale]

Yes

[pulsar laurel]

Like the shot I mean

Oh ok

[rustic vale]

yes

[pulsar laurel]

Sorry

Saw the perk

[rustic vale]

that is the basis of your damage on rail

[pulsar laurel]

Thought the bomb buff was the gimmick

[rustic vale]

You hit yourself with the special and gain a massive damage buff but to properly use it

[pulsar laurel]

So the loop is inhale exhaust fumes and shoot

Ahh gotcha

Wait is eris all damage

[rustic vale]

yes

global damage*

[pulsar laurel]

Thats awesome

Thank you

How do you reroll rng for a chamber run?

[rustic vale]

-# *except for the like 3 things that don’t count it

[rustic vale]

what

[pulsar laurel]

I'm at the start of a run

[rustic vale]

like giving up and using the same seed up to a certain point and then changing the seed from there?

[pulsar laurel]

Kinda wanna try to rig a zeus boon

Oh nah

Just reroll the start

[rustic vale]

The seed is set in stone

you need to die to change the first chamber unless you swap keepsakes

[pulsar laurel]

Ohhh thanks

I'll keepsake cycle then

[rustic vale]

mmm

you won’t get any different results

you’ll just get different gods with the same options

[pulsar laurel]

Thats fine

Im tryna brute force zeus is all

[rustic vale]

if you don’t have zeus keepsake you can’t force him in to start

it’s just not possible

[pulsar laurel]

Wait so u mean

[rustic vale]

start with tidal dash or dio strike instead

[pulsar laurel]

Theres no keepsake cycling

Either I pick a keepsake to rig

Or stay with whatever

[rustic vale]

Using a different god keepsake forces them to be the first god

otherwise you just always have the exact same starting boon

[pulsar laurel]

I thought using non god keepsakes changed the random number

[rustic vale]

nope

[pulsar laurel]

Fire emblem kinda prepped me for that logic

Dio it is then

[rustic vale]

I seed my runs constantly

[pulsar laurel]

Pc?

[rustic vale]

At least when I’m speedrunning

No switch

[pulsar laurel]

Howd you do that?

[rustic vale]

If I was on pc I’d just use speedrun modpack and not have to

[pulsar laurel]

Oh one last thing sorry

What condition should I turn up for the easiest bounties?

Once I do a run with each wep I wanna ease into the heat system

[rustic vale]

Tight deadline (any amount of levels) and extreme measures (up to 2)

giving up the run puts you back in the house before you entered the run, so you enter with the same seed

[pulsar laurel]

Yeah I saw the same athena boon

[rustic vale]

and swapping god keepsakes will give you the exact same starting boon with the same strike options and same rarities

[pulsar laurel]

Gonna have to quickcycle deaths if I wanna brute force new dialogue

[rustic vale]

so if you see that you have an epic athena dash using her keepsake you can swap over to poseidon and take an epic tidal dash since

[pulsar laurel]

Oh

Thats rly useful

Thank you

So the same types of boons in the same order

[rustic vale]

also the seed stays the same unless certain actions occur

[pulsar laurel]

And brute forcing a keepsake cycles between the other god's equivalent

[rustic vale]

so you can keep the beginning few chambers of the run thensame

and then deviate after a certain point

[pulsar laurel]

Tidal dash is rly that good?

[rustic vale]

yes

enough so that weapons like sword start with it over taking a strike boon to start

for speed

[pulsar laurel]

Thanks for the heads up

Hoping I get deals for titan blood

Hey, what resource usually gets bottlenecked later on

Is it ambrosia?

[rustic vale]

uhhh darkness if we’re talking resource director ranks (cosmetic)

You get more than enough ambrosia

blood you don’t get enough of naturally

Iirc you get like

95% of what you need naturally

[pulsar laurel]

For ambrosia?

[rustic vale]

you get 95% of the blood you need naturally

[pulsar laurel]

Wasnt it 1 ambrosia and 2 blood per bounty run?

[rustic vale]

you get more ambrosia than necesssary naturally iirc

[pulsar laurel]

Or is blood just more in demand

[rustic vale]

yes

You need 306 titans blood for all weaps maxed

51*6

[pulsar laurel]

Ohh gotcha

[rustic vale]

You get 252 from bounties and like

[pulsar laurel]

I was thinking of trading ambrosia for titan blood