h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

Whiever decided gilga dashstrikes should be 20 base damage is criminal

[gentle venture]

I mean, I agree

Especially considering I don’t think I knew that until like yesterday

[mint coral]

Certified can't kill a numbskull moment

[old bluff]

https://youtu.be/v8BUNMPEn3o?si=oIknZUqcEckGxH2w

[gentle venture]

But I think that’s also because you’re intended to just hold the dash and attack buttons to home in and do it repeatedly

[rustic vale]

Boiling blood may well be non-existent on gilga

[gentle venture]

That’s actually kind of funny

[mint coral]

Abyssal blood gaming

To counter the stupid maim downside

[gentle venture]

The downside doesn’t exist if you just kill them

Maim is just discount doom

[mint coral]

High bar to clear with gilga

[gentle venture]

With risk

[rustic vale]

Downside also justdoesn’t exist if you don’t use maim

[gentle venture]

Absolutely, but I’m a bit of a masochist

[mint coral]

I respect cherry for their(? Idk actually) maim set ups

[gentle venture]

I have been attempting to beat extreme measures level four for the past week

[gentle venture]

I really need to watch some of their videos

[mint coral]

Super dad alone or 32+

[gentle venture]

Just super dad

[mint coral]

You can always do tidal dash only too

[gentle venture]

No other heat

[rustic vale]

Damg

[gentle venture]

I think I stopped playing last night in the middle of a zeus pos run, yeah

Zeus on my special Poseidon on my dash, forget if I ever got an attack yet

[old bluff]

Why Zeus on special

Jolted?

[mint coral]

Was assuming sea storm and didn't get attack

But you still need another pos core so

[old bluff]

Ye

[gentle venture]

I thought the prerequisite for sea storm was just one of each of their cores, not two?

[mint coral]

Tidal dash doesn't work

[old bluff]

Tdash doesn’t do it

[mint coral]

Specific nerf

[old bluff]

Ye

[gentle venture]

Bruh

[mint coral]

Also aim for lightning reflexes instead

[old bluff]

Did it to nerf ME and sea storm

[mint coral]

Is basically the same

[gentle venture]

I hate when they do that

[old bluff]

DR got caught in the crossfire

[gentle venture]

The prerequisite for those ones are so stupid

[mint coral]

The DR stray is so sad lmfao

[gentle venture]

90% of all of the other ones are just like hey, take any two

[old bluff]

Ik

[rustic vale]

Deadly Reversal not being opened by an athena cast is the weirdest stray imo

[old bluff]

Such a fun boon

[gentle venture]

But NOOOOOO

it’s the same reason I don’t like ME

[mint coral]

Tbf ME kindaaa deserved it

[gentle venture]

N a h man

[rustic vale]

ME deserved it

[old bluff]

I mean, Beo and Hera are still in the game and they didn’t get nerfed

[gentle venture]

Using Athena on anything, but dash, especially on Gilgamesh?

[mint coral]

It doesn't address the fact you don't have stronger options to compete

[old bluff]

Hera in particular

[rustic vale]

athena has good +% specials there’s no problem with it on most aspects that build ME

[mint coral]

Tbf for beo we found out how stupid it is past the patch cycles

[old bluff]

Ye

[mint coral]

Is why charged flight got nerfed instead

Lol

[old bluff]

Wrong charged hammer

[gentle venture]

The thing is though like if you’re trying to initiate doom as often as possible, I feel like reversing the attack and special makes at least a tiny bit more sense on Gilgamesh

But I also haven’t had the time to test it

[mint coral]

Oh charged hammer def should have gotten nerfed or something

[rustic vale]

What

[mint coral]

80 dmg without charging is hilarious

[old bluff]

Cshot is so hilariously broken I’m shocked no one noticed it earlier

[rustic vale]

you’re trying to prok doom as often as possible and dashstrikes are far faster than your special

and dashing deflects way more often

it’s ez math

[mint coral]

You can also do the dash strike + dupper

[gentle venture]

Yeah, the problem is I would rather have four gods things on four different things

[mint coral]

Why

[rustic vale]

eh

no

that ruins your duo odds

[gentle venture]

Regardless of if I’m using privilege status or family fave

[rustic vale]

Family favourites doesn’t care about your cores

on most builds you shouldn’t really be aiming for a ton of different gods on your cores because it ruins your duo/legendary odds for the ones you care about

[gentle venture]

I’m well aware of that it’s just a thing of like
Putting deflect on the attack that you use less on the weapon (which I understand is why people put it on the dash as well) makes no sense

[rustic vale]

unless it’s like flat damage soup and you don’t have any duos to care about

[gentle venture]

Because I don’t want my base attack to be a non-percentage upgrade

Special is always my status stuff

[old bluff]

That depends heavily on weapon

[gentle venture]

Unless I’m running a masochistic dio run for some reason

[rustic vale]

That’s a weapon to weapon thing like

You don’t want a percentage increase strike on rail

[mint coral]

For ME runs you still get some benefit of the special if you get ME before dash

[gentle venture]

Put hangover on the special and increase the damage of the bullet

[rustic vale]

also doom on strike is like a 6x base damage increase in a Merciful End build

[gentle venture]

🤷🏻

[mint coral]

Lmao

[gentle venture]

heavy tf2 voice

[rustic vale]

What the cooked

[mint coral]

Is this hestia/spread fire at least

[old bluff]

Dio on rail special is something alright

[gentle venture]

Which one is spread fire again?

[rustic vale]

your special has too much base damage you’re just wasting it if you slap on flst damage like dio

[rustic vale]

Shotgun

[gentle venture]

Right

[mint coral]

40 base dmg -6 bullets

[gentle venture]

I do use hesita

[mint coral]

Aight % attack makes more sense lol

[old bluff]

Spreadstia my beloved

[mint coral]

People doing cluster rockets zeus without knowing about icd

[rustic vale]

But like on your main weapon, gilgamesh

the base damage is non existent

[gentle venture]

Yes, that is why increase percentage

[rustic vale]

you absolutely want a flat damage strike

NO

[mint coral]

Lmaooo

Poor shackle

[rustic vale]

you want flat damage because increase percentage doesn’t do hardly anything on small damage numbers

[gentle venture]

still heavy tf2 voice

o h

[mint coral]

Look at normal rail's attack

[gentle venture]

Yeah, I mean I guess that makes sense

[rustic vale]

am I falling for ragebait here

[gentle venture]

No, I’m just stupid

[mint coral]

It has 10 base dmg and epic aphro (+100%) makes it 20

[gentle venture]

😬

That’s pretty bad

[old bluff]

Epic Zeus makes it 25

[mint coral]

^

[old bluff]

With area

[rustic vale]

Meanwhile common zeus strike is literally +10 damage and it just goes up from there

[old bluff]

And jolted chances

[mint coral]

And you double dip on global buffs

[rustic vale]

flat damage actually pops off harder with maim from gilgamesh

[mint coral]

Universal buff gaming

[gentle venture]

This all reminds me I’ve been meaning to ask here

[rustic vale]

For the inverse reason, that’s why you don’t want to run hangover on rail special

[gentle venture]

The hammer that heals you 2 damage when your special kills

[rustic vale]

the base damage is so high that you’re losing damage

[rustic vale]

2% not 2

[mint coral]

Also remember % buffs are additive

[gentle venture]

does that count for maim and does that count for like curses

[mint coral]

Afaik no

Has to be the special itself

[gentle venture]

Good to know

[mint coral]

Is mostly free hp from the styx rats

[mint coral]

Hmm I wonder if explosive upper also doesn't work with it

[rustic vale]

eupper should iirc

[gentle venture]

Well, if that’s what people think about the way, I run Gilgamesh or the rail, I wonder how people feel about me putting dio on the hades spear spin

Charge it up and apply it to the entire room

[old bluff]

[mint coral]

[gentle venture]

yeah i had a feeling

is it the aspect or the method?

[old bluff]

Yes

[mint coral]

I've seen serrated gaming with hangover

[rustic vale]

Yes

[mint coral]

But also yes

[gentle venture]

OK Gilgamesh I can far more understand because it’s the hidden and it’s like genuinely that much of a difference
Whats the deal with Hades

[old bluff]

1 application of hangover is not very much damage

[mint coral]

Ideally you manage to keep the hangover stacks at max everytime

[old bluff]

Like 20-30 at lvl 1 iirc

[mint coral]

Spin takes too long

[rustic vale]

1 application of hangover on a 100 base damage spin

Versus running any +% strike

[mint coral]

As an aside hades spear itself is a
I really don't understand why the attack buff doesn't work on the attack

[rustic vale]

You’d need a level 7 epic hangover strike for all the ticks to even match a lvl 1 epic aphro strike

and that’d be 4 seconds after the spin instead of immediately

also Hades spear is just so midd 🗿

[mint coral]

Meanwhile achilles:

They have the same buff number for gods sake lol

[rustic vale]

Hangover works way better when you can rapidly apply it rather than trying to use it on a very slow massive base damage thing

[gentle venture]

Honestly, maybe I’m just straight up mis remembering how I’ve played the spear.

[rustic vale]

The opportunity cost is crazy

[old bluff]

Habes

[rustic vale]

Like if you’re going to make a spin build you’re just better off using Achilles

[mint coral]

Or gy

[rustic vale]

Sure you don’t have the +30% spin radius but instead you get +150% strike damage and you get better odds for spin hammers

since the achilles special is incompatible with so many special hammers

[gentle venture]

I like it because it’s like the mirror match of having a very similar moveSet to dad.

But it’s also been established that I have pretty weird taste when it comes to aspects

[rustic vale]

Achilles and Zag spear also have a mirror match to dads moveset

[mint coral]

That's fair

[old bluff]

I mean

Hestia is pretty popular

Rightly so

[mint coral]

I'm mostly shouting at the air myself towards sgg

[rustic vale]

it’s just that dio special ain’t exactly meta for bestia

[mint coral]

Cuz is a weird thing to make the spin aspect not buff dmg ofnit

[old bluff]

Hey sgg, could y’all buff Beo

It’s kinda underpowered

[mint coral]

Who came first achilles's rush or super dad's

[rustic vale]

I’ve heard enough another 5 positive bugs for beowulf

[mint coral]

New patch that just fixes everything on beo

[gentle venture]

Fist- gilga
Shield - chaos
Spear - hades
Bow- rama/chiron
sword - nemesis
Rail - Hestia, used to use Eris

thats my list

[rustic vale]

So like

2 of those are sane

[mint coral]

2?

[rustic vale]

Wait no 3 you mentioned rama

[old bluff]

It would still prob be a match for Hera lmao

[rustic vale]

and Eris

4 /8 mentioned

[rustic vale]

Finally that one bug to trippy shot radius? is gone

[gentle venture]

Yeah, I’ve been told that my top three are nuts

[mint coral]

Also we are fixing clockets

[gentle venture]

puts hangover on chaos special

[rustic vale]

gilga chaos hades and chiron

[old bluff]

That one is fine lmao

[gentle venture]

To be fair, it’s mostly Rama

[rustic vale]

I mean it’s just a matter of the rocket bomb replacing the special base damage

[gentle venture]

Chiron, is just what I used before and what I tend to go back to if I don’t want to use rama

Popular aspect < Not Having To Aim

[mint coral]

Chiron is prob the most picked aspect ever

[old bluff]

Sadly

[mint coral]

Lol

Chiron aspect so popular it reached h2

[mint coral]

😔

[gentle venture]

So you’re telling me in the context of Gilgamesh, I should be putting my effect stuff on the attack

[mint coral]

Trying to explain rama only to be told "but chiron"

[old bluff]

Yes

[rustic vale]

you should be putting flat damage on strike

for gilga

[old bluff]

So true

[rustic vale]

not just “effect stuff”

like doom if you’re going to build merciful end, or dionysus or zeus strike

[old bluff]

Do Pos lmao

It’ll be funny

[rustic vale]

worst of both worlds

[mint coral]

[rustic vale]

no base damage for poseidons +% and no range to deal with the knockback

truly the supersoaker of all time

[rustic vale]

😭

bruh no way

[mint coral]

You'll find out in 2 days

[rustic vale]

haha assuming my back-up laptop can even run the game

💀

[old bluff]

Mine can’t lmao

[mint coral]

Does it run h1

[old bluff]

Run h2

Tried

[rustic vale]

yes

[old bluff]

Can’t even open it

[rustic vale]

Gpu for my gaming laptop decided to fry itself and I haven’t gotten around to replacing it

[mint coral]

Ouch

[rustic vale]

but

bigger news

slime rancher two released today

and sledding game demo comes out on the 26th

[mint coral]

Wait today?

Peak I should go back

[gentle venture]

Tell me about it because was using tidal dash on there last night

Feels like the most backward thing I’ve ever done

[rustic vale]

Tidal dash at least has a ton of damage

like a massive amount

so it doesn’t really matter

[gentle venture]

because I didn’t know that the duo doesn’t open up with the dash

For Zeus

[rustic vale]

sea storm is like a bonus on tdash builds

never a necessity

[gentle venture]

If I don’t have an attack on that set up yet, which I won’t know until tonight when I go home, I’ll probably put dio on there

[rustic vale]

The bulk of your damage should be coming from the raw damage of tidal dash pommed a bit, and then like breaking wave and razor shoals are pretty big supplements

[mint coral]

Lightning reflexes is pretty much sea storm 2

[rustic vale]

LR also does the main job it needs to in applying jolted

[rustic vale]

Tbh if you’re doing a tdash build you can really throw whatever you want

If you hit athena and artemis you could put athena on strike and aim for deadly reversal to give your tidal dash +20% crit chance

otherwise just like any flat damage strike

doom would be pretty solid here

[mint coral]

Curse of drowning gaming?

[gentle venture]

Oh, I just remembered I’m pretty sure that I have epic hangover right now on the call

I’m sure if I scroll up, I’ll find it

[rustic vale]

So no dio strike

[gentle venture]

But it was also 4 AM

[mint coral]

Don't get more hangover yeah

[gentle venture]

Yeah i forgot

The thing is my instinct on gilga (and any run) is let’s put deflect on there so I feel safe

But now I know I’m a fool

Which might not stop me

Then again, I also think I have revenge deflect right now

This was eight hours ago and I was like 90% asleep and had to stop playing

[old bluff]

Holy shield is pretty okay

Ddash with me works

But tdash is king

Because how can enemies hit you if they’re dead?

[gentle venture]

Honestly the Boon set up. I have right now feels like something that I should be running on like talos instead of gilga

Because using the dash to push them away and then bring them back in with the special

[old bluff]

Eh

You either want to group enemies together with tdash, or slam them into a wall to kill them faster

Separating them makes it harder to kill them effectively

[autumn marsh]

Talos fist works decent with this

[old bluff]

Doesn’t cod have fist dad wr

It kinda cooks in bosses

[autumn marsh]

It can be tricky though, since it's a close range cast that also knocks foes away

Kind of counter intuitive. But with the right setup its a lot of fun

[gentle venture]

Does it still lodge or no?

[autumn marsh]

No

[gentle venture]

Ew

[autumn marsh]

Bad news works great with it

[gentle venture]

problem is
I can’t think of what that even is

[autumn marsh]

Hermes legendary with stygian soul

[old bluff]

Rd would be better

[gentle venture]

ah yes, the green one

gross

[autumn marsh]

+50% cast damage against foes without cats in them

Casts*

[old bluff]

Stygian is goated wdym

[gentle venture]

We’ve been over this
Like 20 minutes ago, I was talking about the fact that I never use casts that don’t lodge other than ares

And even thats a rare use case

[old bluff]

You can lodge casts with Stygian

[autumn marsh]

Crystal beam is incredible with Achilles spear

[old bluff]

And it improves rd odds

[gentle venture]

gags

[old bluff]

It’s fine

[mint coral]

Meme beam exists

[old bluff]

Better options exist

But it’s usable

[mint coral]

But yeah if you are only lodging a cast every so often just swap to stygian

Better hermes overall

[autumn marsh]

It's so much fun though. Crystal clarity, glacial glare and arctic blast is just comical

[mint coral]

Unless you like lightning rod

[old bluff]

Rod 😌

[gentle venture]

Well, I’m trying to like consistently use them on bosses and mini bosses

[mint coral]

Casts stay on enemies for like 15s

[old bluff]

Casts stay lodged for like 20s

Is it 15

[autumn marsh]

15

[old bluff]

Idr

[autumn marsh]

Stygian casts also lodge for 15 secodns

But they also can be thrown after just 3

[gentle venture]

Boiling blood make big damage bigger tf2 heavy voice again

[mint coral]

Just making sure but you know boiling doesn't stack right

[gentle venture]

On another note, can somebody please explain how Lucifer is good?

[gentle venture]

I used to not know

[old bluff]

Triple bomb

[mint coral]

Triple bomb good

[autumn marsh]

Or super soaker if you're just having fun

But super glass cannon

[mint coral]

For 1 hammer you have only 100 less base dmg than the clockets combo

(300 vs 400)

[gentle venture]

I think the problem is that because I’m playing on the switch, the auto aim locks onto the bomb instead of enemies

Making it borderline useless until I have a dash that does damage

[mint coral]

Yeah you do want tidal dash for easier use

You can also throw more bombs cuz they auto explode after the 4th on the field

[gentle venture]

Oh and guan yu

[autumn marsh]

Alternatively don't take a dash at all. Then if you try dashing through them to lure enemies through you won't accidentally blow them up

[gentle venture]

how even

do you manage?

[mint coral]

Charged skewer

[gentle venture]

To LIVE

[autumn marsh]

Guan yu is amazing and I will hear no other argument

Jokes

But also not

[mint coral]

Yeah guan yu is strong, period.

[gentle venture]

it’s the alternative Beyblade build

[mint coral]

You either do special spam or spin hammers

[autumn marsh]

It's the first aspect I ever cleared 32 heat and boonless with

[mint coral]

Play on MAC for the room wide deflect

[mint coral]

Also funny but is one of the aspects that cleared 64 heat

[gentle venture]

I just don’t understand how you deal with the health problem

[old bluff]

Spin heals

[autumn marsh]

Now that I dont understand. Its too slow even I'll admit that

[old bluff]

Quick spin go brrrrrrr

[gentle venture]

Starting out with what, 45 health with thick skin?

[vast raven]

50

[mint coral]

That or charge spins while enemies spawn

[old bluff]

50

[autumn marsh]

If you can get quick spin and massive spin, you can literally take the shattered shackle and no other boons and clear 32 heat with EM4

[vast raven]

100 base w/ thick skin -50% from gy debuff

[mint coral]

Just ball with high confidence and 25 base hp

[gentle venture]

I love that on hades aspect

[old bluff]

Speedrun strat fr

[gentle venture]

Now THATS a full room deflect

[old bluff]

No

There’s a bug on Mac where gy literally clears the entire room

[mint coral]

Full room deflect is an actual bug on mac lol

[autumn marsh]

If only the punishing sweep from hades improved the spin attack damage too 😕

[mint coral]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[autumn marsh]

Still lots of fun though

[vast raven]

it could have been so much more though 😔

[old bluff]

It could have been like Achilles

[vast raven]

instead we have hammer reset the weapon

[mint coral]

Truly spear's motto

[old bluff]

Elauncher or bust

I mean

A lot of weapons are get x hammer or bust

3/4 shields

[autumn marsh]

I usually prefer that on zag spear

[old bluff]

All swords

All spears

Rail and fist are pretty good

Bow is fine too

[autumn marsh]

Zag bow is super hammer dependant

Poseidon sword isn't though

[old bluff]

There is like 3 playable hammers

[mint coral]

The difference is that zag bow has a million good options

[autumn marsh]

Thats true

[rustic vale]

Super hammer dependent when 6/12 hammer are amazing options

It’s the easiest to find good hammers for, but the hammers do so much for it that it’s hammer dependent

Like twin /triple /point blank / perfect shot / flurry / explosive are all there

[languid gull]

is golden touch good?
Cause I feel like saving gold doesnt seem optimal since the last shop is like alot more expensive than the charon shops you find here and there

[rustic vale]

Nope

It’s way more impactful to spend your obols early and to have the obols to enter the tartarus midshop and choose whether or not to buy a boon to get a god into your build

You should be spending your obols as you get them to guarantee build consistency and find build pieces early

[languid gull]

alright thanks

[rustic vale]

Like getting another god to fill out your godpool early helps you hit 4 gods earlier so you can double the consistency for gods you want or hitting a god you absolutely need in the midshop is crazy

otherwise just helps get your core boons filled out earlier for better boon odds later

[polar aspen]

I just cleaned sweeped Thanatos and he said
well that was quite embarrassing for me...

[polar aspen]

Also I know I asked before but I can't remember if I got an answer LOL
How do you actually enact stuff at the administrative chamber? I would really like to reunite Orpheus with his muse and Achilles with Patroclus

[rustic vale]

Lots of talking with Nyx

[polar aspen]

Okay

[rustic vale]

she’s the one who will dig out those contracts

[polar aspen]

Cuz I unlocked the administrative chamber, I'll be it a lot later than I should have, but I've not been able to figure out how to actually do the stuff for them

[rustic vale]

There might be someone who needs to tell you to talk to Nyx

Achilles

or maybe even Hades

[mint coral]

Need to give nectar to nyx too iirc

If you are at her lock already you are good

[polar aspen]

Or rather I should have asked first, are all the contract orders that costs special things for the administrative chamber

There's one that costs Ambrosia one that cost diamonds Nyx one costs I think it's 50,000 darkness

[mint coral]

Oh the themes

[polar aspen]

Are those not it

I'm just trying to make sure lol

[mint coral]

Themes are cosmetic for boon/victory screens

The quests contracts for orpheus & co are another thing

[polar aspen]

Okay

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to waste stuff on the contractor LOL

I did furnish the lounge

And bought story stuff and whatnot

But I haven't bought a ton of cosmetic stuff for the house lol

[rustic vale]

My house of Hades is like perfect

if you could optimise asthetics mine would be that

trust

[mint coral]

The tl;dr for those quests is like
Advance related npcs enough > yo zag can you do this for me > let me ask nyx > check glowing spot at admin chamber > contract becomes available as house horder

[polar aspen]

okay cause zag has only ever said like" hey ill see if i can do anything."
"hey father do you care if i do this?"
"do whatever you want boy!"

[polar aspen]

Thanatos is such a good son

[polar aspen]

of course the next time i speak to Nyx he says
"Erm, Nyx, you ever have a burning urge to find the case files for the circumstances under which our court-musician bound himself to eternal servitude here in this House, and forever lost his opportunity to be with his beloved muse? I was wondering if you had a remedy for that."

[mint coral]

Lol

[polar aspen]

orpheus left when i came out of the administrative chamber

i wanna talk to him after making the order

so im waiting until next run

[steady topaz]

Yo chat I was wondering where I could post my dark mirror setup

[rustic vale]

if you send it somewhere else (like dming a discord bot or another server) you can copy the media link and send it here

if you know how to use embedded image links etc (not a complicated process tbh)

There are other ways to get media links I just don’t remember them off the top of my head

[polar aspen]

Gods coming out of Tartarus I already have everything I need
Crush shot
Exit wounds
Tempest strike
Hell I even have drunken flourish and exclusive access

I don't even have a dash reaction or call

[rustic vale]

Tempest strike what is this

[vast raven]

supersoaker

[mint coral]

you can't call any build with pos attack super soaker

[dreamy mesa]

man the gun is so bad in the Thanatos challenge

never using this weapon again

[polar aspen]

Do any of the Gods comment when you sell their boons

[amber crest]

Nope

They don’t know

[polar aspen]

Okay

[amber crest]

Heh

[polar aspen]

Didn't think so but wasn't sure

Would've been neat

[amber crest]

The Rail is broken if you know what to do

Aspect of Eris hits HARDDD

VERY good for than

[rustic vale]

What

Hestia is particularly good for the Thorn Of thanatos

[dreamy mesa]

I'm doing something wrong then

[rustic vale]

It’s a sniper rifle you can stay as far away as you want and be as campy and cautious as you want for the achievement

[dreamy mesa]

after getting the weapon upgrades I'm using the bow a lot

the directed aim with special attack is insane

[amber crest]

Aspect of Chiron is very popular

[dreamy mesa]

idk what's that

Oooh nvm

[polar aspen]

I CAN FINALLY DATE DUSA!!!!!!

[rustic vale]

🤨

[polar aspen]

She finally finished her work and I can start giving her ambrosia

[steady topaz]

lol aight thx

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1409268555396026371/1420224980209107024/4dced2f9-87cc-4a7d-9ab9-216e31c0897f.png?ex=68d49f15&is=68d34d95&hm=dd62de94c585b0808fce7392a60960c80801dda046a27e7d0f4de44cad3ea68b&

Here’s my mirror

[rustic vale]

Pretty solid only thing is fated persuasion > fated authority

there’s a few others you might tweak depending on the build

[steady topaz]

Noted 🤔

[rustic vale]

like
fiery presence / shadow presence (weapon dependent)
death defiance versus stubborn defiance (heat dependent)
infernal soul vs stygian soul (if not doing a cast build, preference (3 casts vs better hermes odds), if doing a cast build it depends on the build)
Gods Legacy Vs God’s Pride (pride is better unless your build is really really highroll for multiple duos and legendaries)

[steady topaz]

Ah well I like using duos so Yeee

[rustic vale]

Well the thing is

If your build only needs one duo like

your odds are really high without legacy if you’re making good decisions

[amber crest]

Many solid boons is better than one duo boon

[steady topaz]

True I suppose 🤔 but some duo boons are like game changers

[rustic vale]

Having the power boost on Hermes boons, Chaos boons, and your core boons is worth so much, and singular duo boons are fairly consistent without god’s legacy

as long as your cores are full and you have secondary status boons taken, you have a roughly 1/3 chance per boon of finding a duo/legendary with every boon you pick up from a regular olympian

gods pride makes it roughly 50%, but so does any rarity boosting item from the well or a favour boon from chaos

[steady topaz]

Ah nice my last run I got this one boon I forget the name but I think it was a Poseidon duo where every boon u encounter is epic at minimum

[rustic vale]

Exclusive Access

[steady topaz]

Yeee w boon fr

[amber crest]

Very neat boon

[rustic vale]

It’s very good if you hit it early / before your hermes boons but it can’t help the core boons you start with 🫠

[steady topaz]

True lol

[rustic vale]

which are often your main build components

[steady topaz]

Wb the one Demeter boon that chooses a random boon to go back to common rank and ranks it up every 3 encounters or whatever

[rustic vale]

Rare crop

[steady topaz]

Yee I like that one

[rustic vale]

is pretty solid

ish

[steady topaz]

Yeee 😎

[amber crest]

It’s neat

[rustic vale]

I’d also note that any sort of rarity odds boosting item or chaos boon have a hidden +10% epic and +10% duo/legendary chance attached 🔥

So like again it brings up your non-legacy odds to 53% for at least one-duo/legendary when your cores are full and you don’t have an outstanding status curse boon

[steady topaz]

Ooh nice didn’t know that

[rustic vale]

It’s really easy to consistently hit duos without legacy and pride is such a power spike I just have to throw everything on the table

[rustic vale]

Assuming you aren’t running Approval Process to any degree

[steady topaz]

Aight I’ll level pride once I get enough darkness

[steady topaz]

Wassat

The pact of punishment thing?

[rustic vale]

Hermes and chaos rarity 🤤

[rustic vale]

Yeah

Removes one option per level up to two levels

[steady topaz]

I got a legendary boon from chaos my last run added +1 death defiance

[rustic vale]

The unmodifiable 1% chance 🔥

[steady topaz]

Frfr

[rustic vale]

I had a run a month ago where I had it offered twice but the second time it was offered the curse was absymal

[steady topaz]

Rip mine was just u don’t earn gold for 3 encounters

It was noice

[rustic vale]

Mine was like shrouded or roiling

aka “you don’t see room exits” or “extra enemies”

[steady topaz]

That’s not that bad I suppose 🤔

I pick shrouded sometimes and get super lucky

[rustic vale]

Was speedrunning either option is actively shooting myself in the foot

[steady topaz]

lol frfr

[rustic vale]

Losing the ability to make decisions at doors is opportunity cost and extra enemies is just significantly slower

[vast raven]

take shrouded and then just get mono exit chambers

(this happened to me once LOL)

[rustic vale]

I’ll take shrouded in tartarus if it’s attached to a good enough damage boost ngl

[vast raven]

or buff relative to build 😌

[rustic vale]

that’s what I mean

build relative damage buff or a stupid amount of extra obols

[steady topaz]

lol

[rustic vale]

+85% extra obols gives you so much to work with it’s crazy

[steady topaz]

U mean like that one Poseidon boon?

[rustic vale]

Chaos has one too

Oceans Bounty can only be 50/55/60%

[steady topaz]

Ah dang that ain’t much

[rustic vale]

eh

[steady topaz]

How high does chaos boons go

[rustic vale]

It’s a sizeable amount

depends on the rarity

30-50% / 45-75% / 60%-100% common rare epic

[vast raven]

i think the largest ive seen was like an 90% or smthn

[steady topaz]

Noice

[rustic vale]

all chaos boons aside from grasp (+1 cast) have a variable amount they can give at common, and the lower and upper bounds are multiplied by 1.5x for rare and 2x for epic

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

[rustic vale]

it’s a little funky to have a widening range of values at higher rarities

[steady topaz]

lol fr numbers be goofy

[rustic vale]

Numbers 🤤

[vast raven]

the epic chaos buff for special giving 65%

[steady topaz]

Frfr

[steady topaz]

I like getting big numbers

[rustic vale]

+60-120%

[rustic vale]

That’s what rush delivery is forrrr

[vast raven]

the 102% dash strike bonus

*you're playing on fist

[rustic vale]

I swear chaos never wants to give me relevant damage boosts

the last time I saw any was when I ran POS SWORD

POS SWORD OF ALL THINGS and I hit like 4 relevant damage boosts from chaos and now Pos sword is my fastest sword

Like where is this luck when I’m playing an aspect that’s actually good

if I hit that on my zag bow run it might be like 7:2x instead of 7:46

[steady topaz]

W dusa sticker

[amber crest]

[steady topaz]

I love that on shield especially with hammer that makes dash strike stronger and bigger/wider

[light iron]

Im about to start my 69th escape attempt lol

[steady topaz]

Noice I’m on like my 50th or smthn

[spare tiger]

Out of curiosity, the current sale is the lowest price Hades has ever been right?

[light iron]

thats correct!

[gentle venture]

Yo, how do poseidon boons even really work against dad if he doesn’t actually get pushed around

I have the one that does like the extra wall slam damage, but like that’s not gonna be useful against him, so what’s been the point of this?

I take it back. I just got ruptured, razor shoals, and the Boss damage one, and I’m about to fight him

I didn’t make it

[latent moon]

he does get pushed, but it's very reduced

[gentle venture]

I have caved and it’s finally time to use merciful end on Gilgamesh

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

[steady topaz]

Idk but my last run I was doing a Poseidon ares build with the duo drowned smthn that changes cast I was using spear and had triple jab and was tryna get flurry jab but didn’t encounter any hammers unfortunately

[dreamy mesa]

I'm trying to befriend Megara if that's even possible

[distant peak]

I've got all the prophesies and codex entries done except for one thing... A fish I haven't caught! Does anyone know how many Mati fish I have to catch to wrap this up?

I tried to look through Google but no answers 🙁

[twilit schooner]

hello friends does hades 1 work at 60fps on switch 2? i would love to pick it up since it's on sale

[indigo slate]

There is a god that gives you 20% chance to get the fish you want i guss

[distant peak]

Just wondering if I'll need one of them or 5 or 10 or something

Because with such a low low chance of that fish I'm not going to go for more than one

At least not today

[indigo slate]

Poseidon god

[distant peak]

Yeah

[indigo slate]

But it's legendry chance that you get that boon

[distant peak]

I have the boon and the Charon's well thingy sometimes

[indigo slate]

Yeah that god will help you in this quest

Try to equip his charm

[distant peak]

Do you know how many of those fish I have to catch to get the entry complete?

The Mati

[light iron]

No we don't, because it's random. You just need to keep trying

[indigo badge]

it should be mentioned in the codex once you catch a single one

mati has a 50% chance when you do a normal catch in chaos realm

[distant peak]

Really? The codex requirements for completing the entry are random?

[distant peak]

Thanks, I'll keep an eye out there

[indigo badge]

no they're not

[distant peak]

I didn't think so

[indigo badge]

i think they just mean which fish you catch, which is also not completely random 😂

[distant peak]

They must've

Yeah

[gentle venture]

I stopped playing in the middle of my merciless end run, and I’m already annoyed because the first Athena Boon got wasn’t even one of the cores, but I do have doom already

[steady topaz]

Cool

Doom is a hella good effect to have

[gentle venture]

It’s just rough because I’m trying really hard to beat extreme measures four before Hades two tomorrow
And I hate that I’m having to rely on RNG-based “well you MIGHT get the duo” kinda builds just for high damage

[steady topaz]

lol true that does sound sucky

[gentle venture]

obviously I’m also trying to use Gilgamesh
So it’s sort of a double edged sword

[rustic vale]

Merciful End is particularly agregious just because you need that second athena core but on the whole, it’s fairly consistent to hit duos for the builds you want if you know which decisions to make

[steady topaz]

Athena is pretty nice to have though I love Athena dash and sometimes Athena cast if I’m not running Artemis cast and whatnot

[rustic vale]

like making sure your cores are filled out and you’ve taken the status curse boon from any god who has them makes it roughly a 32% chance to get a duo with every boon you take from either god

any rarity boosting item or chaos boon makes that about 53% for at least one duo/legendary

[gentle venture]

Wouldn’t you technically be able to replace the special with something else once you have the dash in order to bypass having to double up just for the prerequisite

[rustic vale]

you can replace special after you hit the duo yeah

most of the time it doesn’t matter enough for you to want to

[gentle venture]

I think I’m currently running with common doom on my attack, I think I have like the trap resist from Athena, and I have rare hangover on my call?

[rustic vale]

yikes

[gentle venture]

I stopped playing because of how late it was

[rustic vale]

should’ve taken the core option athena gave you if it wasn’t an exchange

[gentle venture]

I didn’t get any cores

[rustic vale]

that’s not possible

[gentle venture]

The first one I was offered was only SupportS

Or the cast

But that doesn’t count

[rustic vale]

yeah it does

[gentle venture]

Oh, so the dash doesn’t count but the cast does
Worthless

[rustic vale]

The cast is a core and would’ve given you better odds of seeing the special and the dash later

[rustic vale]

dashes and casts are core boons

what are you on

[gentle venture]

Yeah, but I’m saying the dash doesn’t count for ME

Does the cast?

[rustic vale]

Oh the cast isn’t a prerequisite either

[gentle venture]

that’s what I meant

[rustic vale]

but you want it anyways to remove cast from the options it can give for future athena boons

[steady topaz]

Why doesn’t dash count 4 you?

[rustic vale]

since you’re always guaranteed to see at least one core

[gentle venture]

Merciless end

[rustic vale]

Dash doesn’t count as a prerequisite for Merciful End

[steady topaz]

Oh aight lol

[gentle venture]

But it also doesn’t count for me because I don’t love taking cast upgrades if I’m just using boiling blood, because so many of them decrease the range

[rustic vale]

Having your cast still open screws with your odds of seeing the special and the dash

[rustic vale]

phalanx shot actively doesn’t do this

[steady topaz]

True like Aphrodite’s

[steady topaz]

Yeeee I love Artemis cast

[gentle venture]

That’s the exception

[old bluff]

Phalanx is Athena

[steady topaz]

And Athena cast

Athena cast is pretty decent

[gentle venture]

I thought that one was slightly shorter

[steady topaz]

But Artemis cast is my fave

[old bluff]

No

It’s wayyyy longer

[gentle venture]

Or is it slower?

[rustic vale]

Taking a cast coreto improve your odds of finding the athena cores you need later is more important than boiling blood on gilgamesh of all weapons

[old bluff]

Starts slow and gets faster

[gentle venture]

I’m really hoping that merciless end is as fool proof as people claim

Because I am going to beat extreme measures before the release of Hades 2 if it kills me

and I’ll do it with Gilgamesh so help me God

[rustic vale]

Even on regular weapons that would actually benefit from boiling blood if you’re building Merciful End then you take whatever cast you can (that doesn’t open new ares/athena duos) just to give yourself the best odds of getting your athena cores and duo boons

[gentle venture]

yeah, but then I gotta rely on selling them or replacing them if I wanna actually build out having more than just her there

[rustic vale]

doesn’t matter

[gentle venture]

I would probably feel different if like the sell things that I currently forget the name of let you scroll through all of your options instead of picking three

[rustic vale]

You can deal with that after you hit merciful end and divine dash

Merciful End is more important than having any one particular cast

[gentle venture]

But that would also be broken because then it would get rid of RNG of you being forced to take something you might not want

[rustic vale]

There’s a reason it was one of a handful of duo boons that got nerfed by removing dash from prerequisites

[steady topaz]

What does extreme measures do? I haven’t done it yet but I had a dialogue with the blue fury lady and zag was like maybe I should use that pact of punishment to make you get along with your sisters and blue fury lady was like you wouldn’t extreme measures? In her usual grumpy sounding demeanor

[rustic vale]

It gives the boss fights new moves

changes them up

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔 like what

[gentle venture]

It changes the Boss room for lernie

[rustic vale]

em1 : furies are now accompanied by 1 or 2 of their sisters who periodically use their attacks

[gentle venture]

Makes the Furies work together

[rustic vale]

lernie: way smaller arena, and magma flows through the middle

[gentle venture]

Changes the move set of Elysium’s champions, giving theseus two mini guns and a chariot

[rustic vale]

heroes; they’re armoured up and get a lot of new moves

Hades: experience yourself

[steady topaz]

lol so the fury sisters have to get along

[rustic vale]

em1 is just furies, em2 is furies and lernie, and so on

em1 and em2 are really ez and em2 makes the lernie fight fast so it’s used for speedrunning

[steady topaz]

Lernie the bone hydra? Mine goes by a different name

[rustic vale]

Your Lernie shouldn’t go by a different name

Zag only has one name for him

[gentle venture]

He may not have got the dialogue to have lernie have the name shortened yet

[steady topaz]

Yee I didn’t

I only beat the game 8 times I believe 🤔

[rustic vale]

It’s a matter of how many times you’ve gone to the Lernie fight

not how many times you’ve beat the game

[gentle venture]

EM one and em two are negligible changes, three is pretty daunting the first couple times, and four is literal hell

[steady topaz]

Well I’ve done 49/50 runs so idk how I haven’t gotten it 🤔

[rustic vale]

EM3 is a melee weapon killer

😔

[steady topaz]

Em4 is dad fight right?

[gentle venture]

Yes

And it’s hard as hell

[rustic vale]

Asterius just starts beyblading and screws your melee weapons over

[gentle venture]

Somebody remind me how to do like the spoiler cover

[rustic vale]

||

on either side

[gentle venture]

||test||

okay

So

[rustic vale]

|| like so ||

[gentle venture]

||he gets a third phase, coming back again, he gets a cthonic companion of his own that I won’t spoil, he gets the ability to stay in one place and heal, but it also obviously leaves him open to just get hit anyway, he’s overall more aggressive, and will occasionally summon in mini bosses||

Somebody check if I missed anything

||I also swear he does his laser thing less often||

[rustic vale]

I wouldn’t know I haven’t used EM4 in like 500 hours of gameplay

I did it once

for the experience

[steady topaz]

Nah that’s wild 😭

[rustic vale]

but it’s just overkill for 32 and 40 heat which is what I play when I play high heat and not exactly good for speedrunning

[rustic vale]

||He heals from pots|| doesn’t he

[gentle venture]

He’s also cocky about it in general, like “you’re experiencing might that only the Titans did”

[gentle venture]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure he can grab at them and like drink?

[steady topaz]

lol fr that sounds cocky

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

[gentle venture]

but he stays stationary

[runic jungle]

Playing hades handheld is truly a painful experience for me lol almost regret getting it on the switch
I'm still trying to reunite everyone but dialog rng hates me so bad

[gentle venture]

My primary experience is with it on the switch

I used to use the satisfy grip, but nowadays, I just play in tabletop with a pro controller

[steady topaz]

Same I still haven’t gotten Achilles to acknowledge me using the Achilles spear so I can get the hidden aspects

[rustic vale]

whattttt

I have all my hours on switch

[runic jungle]

Same here it was the first platform I bought the game on
I think the oled is slightly heavier which is probably why it feels so difficult to hold for too long at least for me

[rustic vale]

well like

96% of them

[steady topaz]

On switch the solution is easy just get the tv dock thingy and the joy con remote frame thingy and problem solved

[rustic vale]

that defeats the purpose of playing handheld

I like being able to play on my bed lmao

[steady topaz]

I mean I’m just providing a solution since they didn’t like handheld lol

[steady topaz]

True that is pretty noice I got a switch myself

[gentle venture]

Dialogue RNG and charon shop RNG are killers

[steady topaz]

Fax

[runic jungle]

I haven't even gotten the other reunite either
Actually wait can orpheus and eurydice actually reunite too? I'm not wasting my time trying am i

[rustic vale]

Also those joycon remote things are useless

just hold em in your hands

like

[gentle venture]

Definitely recommend getting a slide on grip or alternative brands’ larger joy cons

[rustic vale]

the thing that makes it a procontroller

[light iron]

you can reunite them!!

[rustic vale]

just get a pro controller atp

[steady topaz]

Uh idk actually I still haven’t gotten them reunited yet either tho

[rustic vale]

it’s going to feel way better

[steady topaz]

Awesome 😎

[steady topaz]

What’s that?

[gentle venture]

Yeah though

[rustic vale]

Joycons were meant to be held 8 billion years apart

[gentle venture]

Nintendo’s like best version of their controller

[rustic vale]

It’s like an xbox controller for the switch

[steady topaz]

Ooh nice 👍

[runic jungle]

I might have to definitely
I realized a large part of my issue is how awkward it feels to button mash on some of the weapons lol. I hate these man hands sm sometimes 🥀

[steady topaz]

I’m a fan of Xbox controllers so that sounds good

[gentle venture]

Or alternatively, the 8bitdo pro line

[rustic vale]

you can get Nintendo ones but I have a 3rd party one I’m really happy with

[gentle venture]

Which are more along the line of a PlayStation style controller

[rustic vale]

that I can use with my switch but also with my pc for steam

and my phone for dead cells

[gentle venture]

That’s also why I like the 8bitdo

[gentle venture]

👀

Sooooo

[rustic vale]

Playstation controllers are abysmal bro who decided to lay them out like that

[gentle venture]

Bobby, eh?

[gentle venture]

If we get technical having the D pad higher is better for side scrollers or classic stuff

[runic jungle]

Well there goes another thing that will keep me playing hades for longer lol.
Well I still technically haven't gotten the than romance completed either so three big things.
Four if charon boss is actually worth attempting

[gentle venture]

I wouldn’t say it is worth it

[rustic vale]

the joysticks being on the bottom is insane

[gentle venture]

Risk is too high

[steady topaz]

That’s good switch 2 sounds unappealing to me cus they can brick your switch with the slightest issue like if you have a charger that has a wild amount of power or whatever idk but basically they can brick you for practically anything they want

[gentle venture]

I think you just get used to it

There’s a reason that there are companies making Xbox controllers with that layout and not the other way around

[rustic vale]

I’d rather not that’s cursed af

[runic jungle]

Does the reward make up for it? Actually wait do you even get anything for beating Charon

[light iron]

i say to attempt it just to experience it

[steady topaz]

Fax cus Xbox controllers are good

[gentle venture]

You get a discount card

[rustic vale]

Reward is well worth it

300 obols and 20% discount for the rest of the run

[gentle venture]

No, I mean like there are Xbox controllers with Two bottom joysticks

[rustic vale]

Very worth it if you take the fight in tartarus and you don’t have a time lkmit

[steady topaz]

Fr I beat him before basically no boons it was noice

[gentle venture]

But nobody’s making PlayStation controllers that are set up like Xbox oneS

[steady topaz]

I have those on mine 😎

[runic jungle]

Hm
Tempting kind of. Now I just hope I get the boss when I have a decent build for once

[gentle venture]

And obviously, I think you get the gold you tried to steal

But he’s also ridiculously difficult from what I remember

[rustic vale]

The playstation one is just unnatural 🥀

[gentle venture]

You can have a perfectly good run, be ruined by him

[steady topaz]

Also is the Charon boss fight thingy rare cus after the first time I got it I haven’t encountered it or very rarely

[gentle venture]

Risk is way too high

[gentle venture]

It’s not crazy rare, but

[rustic vale]

90% of his difficulty comes from inexperience with the fight

because people never take him

and you don’t have to fight him

[rustic vale]

22% chance at every midshop

[steady topaz]

I beat him on my first try tho

[rustic vale]

You’ll only ever see the bag at a midshop

[rustic vale]

Ok and

[gentle venture]

Oh

[runic jungle]

It usually shows up in the third area for me I'm bad with names

The barge of death has been more rare for me lately and I'm sad about that.

[rustic vale]

like

[gentle venture]

Ive been consistently getting the gorgon

I hate that thing

[lavish sorrel]

Some sort of bias is going on here, probably recency bias. It's 22% everywhere

[steady topaz]

I get barge of death quite a bit maybe u need some of my luck or smthn

[rustic vale]

The other thing with the charon fight is the difficulty is very swingy because he always has the same stats, but you can fight him in tartarus, asphodel or elysium

which are very different power levels for zag

[runic jungle]

Does that apply when that one heat option that increases the shop prices?

[rustic vale]

Multiplicatively

(The good way)

[gentle venture]

I’m to a point of missing the witches circle

[rustic vale]

I WISH

[steady topaz]

lol true cus once your in Elysium your stronger than if u be in Tartarus or asphodel

[rustic vale]

man get me off of barge of death loop

[runic jungle]

I keep getting the power couple 💔
Its even been a minute since I've gotten the witch room

[gentle venture]

I’ve been getting the barge and the power couple so consistently

[rustic vale]

getting power couple is not a heart breaker

wth

[lavish sorrel]

Shackle accidentally spreading modded propaganda 💔

[gentle venture]

I don’t even care about her, it’s the thwomp I care about

[steady topaz]

I’ve gotten that a bit too witchy room kinda easy if you have armor piercing abilities like 400% damage on special or whatever to armor

[rustic vale]

Modded propaganda is good propaganda

[gentle venture]

Mans said :[

[rustic vale]

Wifch room ez if you know the meg set up

[gentle venture]

I don’t know how to type out a thwomp sound effect

[runic jungle]

Nah but its boring constantly getting them back to back lol.
I be missing the witch room
And barge of death lowkey cause its probably the easiest part of the game

[rustic vale]

bro named the one armour piercing hammer that lowkey doesn’t really do anything 🥀

[gentle venture]

Now let me get that one on the fists

[rustic vale]

Piercing Volley sucksssss

[steady topaz]

lol

[gentle venture]

With the piercing Dash

But that’s because I’m on Gilgamesh

[rustic vale]

breaching slash / breaching cross my beloved

[steady topaz]

What are those for

[rustic vale]

Every single fist loves breaching cross

[rustic vale]

+300% damage on strikes and dash strikes for sword, +900% damage on dash strikes for fists

[runic jungle]

I kind of feel like the special for the bow is bad in general tbh. I mainly just power shot away when I choose bow

[steady topaz]

Ooh those sounds noice 😎

[rustic vale]

You don’t touch the special on bow unless that bows name is Rama

[steady topaz]

My favorite hammer combo so far is triple jab and flurry jab on spear ngl

[gentle venture]

Or discount rama, chiron

[rustic vale]

no

[lavish sorrel]

Pseudotech

[rustic vale]

only Rama

[rustic vale]

I’m not yapping about pseudotech because I can barely do it 🥀

[steady topaz]

What’s that?

[rustic vale]

and it’s out of the scope of this conversation by a lot

it’s some animation canceling you can do to shave time on how quickly you can fire another shot

[gentle venture]

You would really think that Gilgamesh would be able to handle Athena Artemis really good

[rustic vale]

on strike? absolutely not

[gentle venture]

I know it’s off-topic but

[steady topaz]

Athena Artemis combo is one of my faves

[gentle venture]

It’s just because the percentage rise isn’t that high for either of them

[rustic vale]

^.

[lavish sorrel]

You're putting mult scaling on a move that does close to nothing by itself, what.

[rustic vale]

we literally talked about this last night

to you

[gentle venture]

Yeah, I know, this is me addressing the fact, learning and complaining

[rustic vale]

You can easily slot in artemis cast on merciful end and shoot for deadly reversal

[gentle venture]

Because for some reason, doom on the attack does make sense, and I hate it

[rustic vale]

or just any other flat damage on strike and build it like merciful end

[lavish sorrel]

(In other words, zeus / dio attack is perfectly fine too)

[rustic vale]

just to get deadly reversal but deflecting with dash is just way easier

[gentle venture]

If this merciful end run doesn’t work, I think I’m gonna go for dio/aphro duo next?

like if this run fails

but I’ll have to hop into it later

[rustic vale]

You can also do some generic zap builds on gilgamesh

[gentle venture]

i’m at work right now, so I come here to plan out my runs

[rustic vale]

those are also very consistent

[steady topaz]

I think this one time I did a Zeus Dionysus build for my Zeus shield where it was spinny and hangover but also electrical 🤔 or smthn like that

[rustic vale]

spinny and hangover but also electrical

[steady topaz]

Indeed

[gentle venture]

I know I keep like hammering in the point, but like God extreme measures level four is the worst

[steady topaz]

Beyblade build is tuff

[rustic vale]

There’s a reason why you typically keep it off your pact until like 50-55+

[gentle venture]

Maybe I should give the Beyblade a try

[runic jungle]

I love dio attack sm lol hangover is prolly my favorite effect in the game.

I need to stop getting dio attack when I have the fists though cause it feels very much not effective on that weapon in particular

[rustic vale]

But also I figure a bunch of the difficulty you’re having is trying to do this sith gilgamesh

[gentle venture]

I usually use chaos

[gentle venture]

Oh totally probably

[steady topaz]

Yuhhh beyblade is noice

[gentle venture]

I’m willing to admit that

[rustic vale]

Fists is one of the few weapons that actually uses hangover strike well

[runic jungle]

Zeus shield is so fun

[gentle venture]

My stubbornness is making it more difficult

[steady topaz]

Fax I love making beyblade builds

[gentle venture]

Because I could probably switch weapons or aspects and not have to be as close to him

But it’s that gosh dang Dash strike

[runic jungle]

Wait really? It always feels like I defeat the enemies before the hangover effect can really do anything

[rustic vale]

you could easily switch aspects and then you have demeter burst damage with better dash range and faster cooldowns

[rustic vale]

spear fists and rail are the weapons where they attack fast enough and have low enough base damage on the strike for hangover to be worth anythig

the other weapons would much rather run +% strikes

[rustic vale]

also the hangover is always ticking while you’re still attacking them like

it’s a joint effort

have you been pomming your hangover enough

[rustic vale]

sword (dash strikes) bow (in general) and shield (you typically want to be bull rushing and using charged shot) all benefit so much more from +% strikes

[gentle venture]

If Gilgamesh doesn’t work then I’m gonna go Hades spear or chaos shield

[rustic vale]

a Hades spear explosive launcher / charged skewer build would be pretty solid versus em4 yeah

[gentle venture]

Hello and welcome to bad aspect roulette. I’m your host.

[runic jungle]

I
Might not be utilizing the poms correctly lol.
Sometimes I get as high as like lvl 7 but I realized thats mainly be for Artemis and Zeus attack. Everyone else i tend to focus on other ones to upgrade

[rustic vale]

zeus attack makes sense

[gentle venture]

No, let me get big spin fast spin

[rustic vale]

artemis has atrocious pom scaling

[gentle venture]

BEEG spin

[rustic vale]

Just run achilles spear at that point at least you get the damage buff for your spin

[gentle venture]

N a h

I do it for the mirror match

We’re the same guy

[runic jungle]

Artemis has not really let me down yet tbf.

[gentle venture]

We have dash he has dash

We have boiling blood he has boiling blood

[rustic vale]

dionysus benefits like crazy from pom scaling since it’s linear pom scaling the whole ay thru

[rustic vale]

I’m not saying she’s not good, I’m saying her strike and special don’t even want a single pom

[gentle venture]

But then there’s chaos shield

Let me just put hangover on the special

Throw like seven shields or whatever it is

[rustic vale]

6

[gentle venture]

And that one hammer adds like what three more

[rustic vale]

Her strike is literally a +8% first pom and it’s only downhill from there that’s atrocious 🥀

[rustic vale]

No hammers had more shields

[gentle venture]

No way

I swear

[rustic vale]

yes way

[gentle venture]

Really?

[rustic vale]

I know all the shield hammers yes

[gentle venture]

have you a soul?

[rustic vale]

There’s one that makes it bounce more

[gentle venture]

That’s a really good one

That’s also what she said

[rustic vale]

Yeah my hair isn’t red

[lament bluff]

hello

[rustic vale]

Actually is the gingers don’t have souls thing a widespread thing

[gentle venture]

Yes

[gentle venture]

I thought this would kill

[rustic vale]

Sup

[rustic vale]

It always depends on which boons you have tbh

[lament bluff]

hades 2 is releasing tomorrow (atleest for me)

[gentle venture]

Will be out at noon for me tomorrow

[rustic vale]

some boons are really pom hungry and some really don’t care and some really only care about the first one or two poms

[lament bluff]

ikr

[gentle venture]

After a certain point it just becomes diminishing returns

[rustic vale]

it’s always diminishing returns

[gentle venture]

Like looping 17 times in risk of rain 2

[rustic vale]

first pom value is ~0.7x’ed for second pom so on so forth until it hits linear pom scaling (level 7 at the latest)

if the values get small earlier then it’ll start linear pom scaling early

[gentle venture]

if I’m gonna run aph/dio, it’s clearly Dio on attack for Gilgamesh, do I switch that for the spear so my spin is Weak instead?

[rustic vale]

If you’re planning on mainly spinning yeah

[gentle venture]

i’ll probably run Athena on dash

But that’s just about every run nowadays

[rustic vale]

but the only value you get from Hades spear if you’re exclusively spinning is +30% spin radius

🥀

[gentle venture]

I’ve never really looking at it for the actual effect, just that extra range

I could care less about the bonus

I’m in it for the duel of fates

Me and dad using the same weapon

It’s Obi-Wan and Anakin

[rustic vale]

is annoying because it has the same numbers as achilles but it doesn’t apply to the spin itself

[gentle venture]

It’s Cole McGrath and Kessler

Or the beast

I don’t know

I’m gonna hope somebody gets that

[rustic vale]

it’s coughing baby versus hydrogen bomb

[gentle venture]

It’s cloud and sephiroth

w o w

I mean, I guess it is but w o w

I still wish that using his spear with the sigil of the dead made our blood stones do the shockwave things his do

[rustic vale]

Your bloodstones aren’t even full power like

Hades gets +100% damage to all his moves from his boiling blood

you only get +50% to strike and special

[gentle venture]

Hot damn

[mild gulch]

last achievement i need is to max rank keepsakes, are there any strategies to fast track this?

or just play game until i get them all done

[runic jungle]

Oh my goodness I've been doing it wrong all along.
Dio attack on fists is actually pretty amazing @rustic vale you were right lol

[rustic vale]

Not putting poms on it is a huge problem tru tru

Other big scaling is putting aphro on special for low tolerance and/or curse of vengeance from ares for xurse of nausea

[runic jungle]

I can't lie, I only really be liking aphro for life affirmations lmao

And maybe her call too because her combined with hangover can come in clutch sometimes

[rustic vale]

Kind of really undervalueing her then

her +% strike and special are the highest in the game

and weak is a really powerful debuff with a good number of strong duos attached to the debuff itself, or just having aphrodite

She basically 1.6x your dps on hangover builds, is (practically) a massive 1.5x multiplier to crit damage on crit damage builds, and otherwise she opens smouldering air to give you stellar dps with zeus or dionysus call

[rustic vale]

zeus and dionsysus are the best dps calls prior to having smouldering air, and smouldering just boosts them further

[runic jungle]

Hm, noted! I'll try utilizing aphro more in this current run I'm doing!

[distant peak]

Anyone that's around now know the amount of Mati fish needed to complete the entry?

Just wondering if it's worth trying to grind that out today

[sly star]

So is it just me or does the weapons all kinda suck in H1 except the spear and gun?