h1-discussion

[latent moon]

oh aphro atk

[gentle venture]

Thid

[latent moon]

are you doing standing strikes lmao

[gentle venture]

As in, am I dashing or moving around?

[latent moon]

when you attack, are you dash striking or doing normal attacks

rather when you do damage

[gentle venture]

Which one should I be doing?

[steady topaz]

On sword the one hammer I loved was the 4th attack thrust does 200% or 400% damage buff or whatever it was

[latent moon]

well gilga dash strike does like 20/25 damage lol

[gentle venture]

and standing?

[latent moon]

so if your special and attack boons were swapped, it'd be more ideal

[latent moon]

like 60

[gentle venture]

Christ

[latent moon]

pretty good base damage ngl but standing strikes are just inconvenient most of the time lol

few rare cases where it's really good, but in the heat of em4 it's prob not ideal

[steady topaz]

I’m a big fan of dash strikes

[gentle venture]

I’ve also kind of settled on the idea of like if I don’t make it at this point with having walked into Styx with over 500 health and forgetting to change my keepsake, I don’t deserve to make it

[latent moon]

cherrydad has a clip where he 3 swipes the tartarus louts on a wave respawn or something

maybe not louts, but 3 enemies dying at the same time from standing strikes

[gentle venture]

I would believe it

[latent moon]

yeah standing strike is 60, dash strike is 20 lol

use lightning strike + jolted next time or just do ME lmfao

classic ME can't go wrong

[steady topaz]

The one standing strike I like is on spear with flurry jab with triple jab too

[steady topaz]

What’s ME

[latent moon]

spear flurry jab pretty good

[latent moon]

merciful end

[steady topaz]

Forget what that does 🤔

[latent moon]

strongest duo in the game by far on almost every melee weapon

deflect damage makes doom drop instantly

[steady topaz]

Ooh yeah sounds great

[latent moon]

so you just dash strike everything with divine dash and you kill everything basically

kinda turn your brain off and you can win most games

[gentle venture]

Welp there goes

Didn’t make it

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[steady topaz]

Noice so Athena dash and whatever ares boon for that duo boon

Right?

[gentle venture]

How could I drop that ball so hard that I had almost 570 health

AND COULDNT DO IT

WHAT IS THIS

[latent moon]

make sure to read your prereqs lol

[steady topaz]

Ah yeah in the codex

[gentle venture]

AND I FORGOT MY GOTDANG ACORN

[latent moon]

ME is only opened by athena and ares attack/special, and you have to use ares attack for it to work

so you have to take ares attack then athena special, pray for duo odds to go well and pray for divine dash to show up at some point

[lavish sorrel]

Having low damage will do that to you

[latent moon]

and then impending doom from ares for damage scaling

[steady topaz]

Ah aight then 🤔 I like using ares on attack or special anyways so not that bad

[gentle venture]

WAIT YO

[latent moon]

you had aphrodite attack on gilgamesh lol

[gentle venture]

SO I MAY HAVE DRIPPED THE BALL

BUT IM THE FEATURED HOUSE SERVANT

WOOOOOOOOOOO

[latent moon]

dio call is really good tho but you don't have enough damage instances for it to use that often

[steady topaz]

U can become featured house servant? I didn’t know that

[gentle venture]

I think only after you’ve beaten the epilogue

[steady topaz]

What’s the epilogue? I’ve only gotten to Persephone 7 times

Is it like getting to her 10 times or smthn

[gentle venture]

It’s more than that technically

Honestly 10 is the prerequisite

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

Do u gotta max affinity everybody too?

[gentle venture]

Not everybody

[latent moon]

10 is credits

[gentle venture]

I think it’s like most of the pantheon

Except for demeter

[latent moon]

and you should be able to become featured house servant after that

[steady topaz]

So u gotta max affinity the olympians?

[gentle venture]

Most of them

[latent moon]

all except like 2 iirc

doesn't matter which 2, but like you can skip 2

dem you can't max out i think tho

[gentle venture]

All but four technically

[lavish sorrel]

6/9 👍

[steady topaz]

lol alr then

[latent moon]

so dem + 1 more

[gentle venture]

Hermes doesn’t count

[lavish sorrel]

He does

[gentle venture]

Oh?

[steady topaz]

Ig I gotta grind for the nectars then

[gentle venture]

I did it without having pos, dem, hermes, aphro

[steady topaz]

I’ll wait till I get that one upgrade from the constructor shade to grind nectar the one that costs gems

[gentle venture]

Wouldn’t that mean it’s five?

[lavish sorrel]

You must be misremembering, there's a dedicated document I'm looking at for FFTE saying it's 6 of the olympians

It's likely you got hermes' favor without realizing due to that favor's low requirement

[gentle venture]

The problem is I have the final ending
And I still don’t have any of those four CURRENTLY

Correction, I do have Demeter, but that’s because I did it afterwards

[steady topaz]

I love running Athena Artemis and Dionysus boons plus Poseidon

[gentle venture]

I don’t have the hearts for the others

[steady topaz]

I’m 3 hearts away from maxing boney he’s one of my fave characters

[gentle venture]

Yeah, I’m looking at my keepsake case

I do not have a bond forged with those four yet

[steady topaz]

I legit have every keepsake except for hades and persephones and none of the summons

[lavish sorrel]

You don't need the bond, just favor

[lavish sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280885571224604758/1419929979478605905/image0.jpg?ex=68d38c58&is=68d23ad8&hm=8fd5cd0fc44f0f30b0c986a51c092206849aef15308202630e93b7ac9e27b2df& from the ffte guide

[gentle venture]

The seventh gift dialogue IS bond forged

[steady topaz]

Nice 🤔 so to get the ending all I need is tons of nectar and to beat the game 13 more times

[gentle venture]

Effectively yeah

[lavish sorrel]

Regardless, you're misremembering how many bonds you had then

[steady topaz]

I’m on a 7 streak I wonder if I can get a 10 streak or smthn

[gentle venture]

I’m actively looking at my case and I’m still missing the four that I mentioned

So either something glitched

Or that’s wrong

[lavish sorrel]

It's possible whoever wrote the guide messed up, but I doubt it. They're very reliable sources.

[gentle venture]

OR i had the second to last heart for the other two

but I don’t think so at the time

[steady topaz]

Oh wait I think I already have the nectar upgrade vintage nectar Wich basically makes nectar rooms have a random Pom fruit effect too

[gentle venture]

I’m so mad about that failed run with gilga that I’m gonna use the gun

[steady topaz]

That would scale pretty well with Persephone keepsake if I had it 🤔

[steady topaz]

What’s gilga?

[gentle venture]

And I hate the rail

[steady topaz]

U and me both lol

I’m fine with any of the others but my fave are gauntlets and shield

[gentle venture]

Hidden fists

[steady topaz]

Oh interesting 🤔

[gentle venture]

It makes the weapon considerably slower and clunkier, but gives you extra dashes, and most people here will sing their disrespects of it

[steady topaz]

Ik u get em from talking to Minotaur in Elysium I just haven’t gotten guan yu aspect from Achilles yet so idk if I can get the other aspects yet cus I heard getting guan yu is a prerequisite or smthn

[gentle venture]

Who am I kidding? I don’t hate my life that much.

[steady topaz]

I mean more dashes sounds better if your running that one Athena ares duobuild

[gentle venture]

It gives you I think a total of four smaller dashes instead of two big ones

[steady topaz]

Is 2 mini dashes equal to one big dash?

[gentle venture]

All of the hidden aspects change the way of the weapons like actually feel

[gentle venture]

roughly?

[steady topaz]

Sounds fun

[steady topaz]

Cool

[gentle venture]

I believe the most popular ones are the shield and the bow

[steady topaz]

I like hestia bow personally what’s the hidden aspect for bow like?

[gentle venture]

The least popular, at least here anyways, are the sword and the fists

[gentle venture]

It makes you have a volley shot instead of a spread shot

[steady topaz]

Sounds interesting 🤔

[gentle venture]

And it makes it so that way you can link the damage of two enemies

You could literally just hold the special button

[steady topaz]

Sheesh

[gentle venture]

You know, actually me talking about it has convinced me to play that instead of the fists or the rail right now

[steady topaz]

Sounds fun

[gentle venture]

It’s fantastic, depending what you shove up it

Personally, I see it as a great excuse to just stand in one spot and hold a button, so I’m gonna throw Zeus at it

[steady topaz]

lol that would be cool

[gentle venture]

Zeus on the special of that thing can be broken

[steady topaz]

I loved this one build where I put Zeus special on Zeus shield it was lit 🔥

[gentle venture]

Honestly, I personally hate the hidden ones for the rail and the spear

[gentle venture]

Yes, the Beyblade

[steady topaz]

Wich aspect is good for spear

[steady topaz]

lol fr beyblade build is fun

[gentle venture]

Personally, I prefer chaos aspect

[gentle venture]

Everybody is gonna give you a different answer

I think most people would tell you, Achilles

[steady topaz]

Rip well what’s your answer

[gentle venture]

I would tell you Hades

[steady topaz]

Ah that’s the one I’m using so W

I’m just a fan of the damage buff

[gentle venture]

Not me being indecisive and changing my aspect that I’m gonna use for my next run every time I bring up another one I like using

I’m a big fan of playing the effective mirror match of having the very similar conceptual moveset to Dad

[steady topaz]

Have u ran a hestia dionysus special attack build yet?

[gentle venture]

To be honest, I can’t stand hestia the for the life of me

[steady topaz]

Oh fr? Why

I really liked it

[gentle venture]

Oh, and for the record, the hidden shield turns the shield into a new Hestia

I don’t really love cast builds a lot

[steady topaz]

Sounds interesting what that do

[gentle venture]

I’m the kind of person that like forget the cast exists and only really uses it to lodge instead of for the actual upgrades

[steady topaz]

Hestia is a special build tho for me not cast build

[gentle venture]

You can load your cast up into your bull rush and it will launch your cast effects out upon reaching the crest of the rush

[steady topaz]

Ur missing out on damage tho the one perk in the dark mirror basically gives you 50% damage buff when a blood stone is in the enemy

[gentle venture]

It’s fun when you’re using like Poseidon and Artemis

[gentle venture]

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. I’m literally only using it for that.

[steady topaz]

I love using Poseidon on shield u wouldn’t believe

[gentle venture]

I’m saying that I’m the kind of person that forget cast exists until I’m like using it on Hades and I’m not usually putting a boon on it

[steady topaz]

Same lol or I use it when I get the Artemis cast for a crit chance build

[gentle venture]

I will take every single like Support Boon overcast like 90% of the time

The exception is Artemis and I usually like to have her on just about anything else

[steady topaz]

Frfr Artemis boons are very good since I’m a big fan of crit chance

[gentle venture]

Screw this I’m doing EM4 on Hades aspect

Time to beat dad at his own game

[steady topaz]

lol

[gentle venture]

But yeah, I know I’m definitely the wrong person to ask about like what’s the best stuff because my username here is widely regarded as “Jesus Christ why would you ever use that aspect?” Fodder

It’s Janky and it speaks to me

🤷🏻

[steady topaz]

lol it’s fine u and me both dislike rail so we seem to have similar tastes in weapons

[gentle venture]

I mean your favorite weapon is the fists and shield, and those are mine too

[steady topaz]

lol frfr

[gentle venture]

The rail and the sword are my least favorites

[steady topaz]

I mean I liked sword a bit spear is definitely one of my faves too tho when I get flurry jab and triple jab combo

But yee rail I don’t like

[gentle venture]

My order and preferred aspect
Fists (gilgamesh)
Shield (Master Chaos)
Spear (Hades)
Bow (Rama [hidden] or Chiron)
Sword (nemesis)
Rail (Hestia)

I used to love the rail, I got my first victory with it

But nowadays, I just can’t seem to figure it out

[steady topaz]

Ngl I’m pretty sure I beat hades without any aspects on rail 💀

Also I like nemesis sword too

[gentle venture]

To be fair, the bonus ammo is pretty good

[steady topaz]

That’s the crit chance one right?

[gentle venture]

Yes

[steady topaz]

Noice I def like that one then

[gentle venture]

The problem is at that point if I’m gonna play a melee build, there are three faster options

[steady topaz]

Sets u up for some good Artemis builds

[gentle venture]

🤷🏻

And the hidden sword is like one of if not the worst aspect in the entire game

[steady topaz]

True lol I prefer shield Poseidon build any day just slam enemy’s into walls for tons of damage

[gentle venture]

(I think guan yu is worse but at least it’s semi fun to play)

[gentle venture]

Yeah, that’s fair

Then you’ll love the hidden one

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

[steady topaz]

lol I can’t wait then

[gentle venture]

It gives you extra health, but it makes everything else so slow

[lavish sorrel]

Arthur and gy do things in high heat, but they're tricky to play for sure and are worthless in a speed-setting

[steady topaz]

Sounds unfun I didn’t really like when I was slow even with just a movement speed debuff from a chaos boon I had to dash everywhere

[gentle venture]

Oh, it’s not the movement that’s the problem

The animations for the weapon actually swinging

[steady topaz]

I seen Arthur before looked interesting

[gentle venture]

yeah, that’s the one I’m talking about

[steady topaz]

Huh?

[gentle venture]

The startup lag from when you push the button to zag actually swinging the sword are so slow on arthur

Compared to the others

[lavish sorrel]

Zachary

[gentle venture]

Voice to text Mann

MANN

god

I can’t win

[steady topaz]

Ah ye that sounds not good I like default more cus I like that one hammer that makes the thrust in your 4th attack combo do 400% or whatever damage

[gentle venture]

Point of this being
A lot of people are going to disagree with probably 50 to 60% of this

There is a such thing as an objective best though

[lavish sorrel]

(The entire top half + chiron)

[steady topaz]

I forget what does Chiron bow do?

[lavish sorrel]

Autoaim special

[gentle venture]

On your last hit enemy from a regular attack

[lavish sorrel]

I mean to be fair it can do things in high heat if you get the things, but like, that's a 1 in 200-ish occurrence on AP2

[gentle venture]

Technically, it’s just discount hidden

TECHNICALLY

[amber crest]

And lowers the amounts of arrows in your volley

[steady topaz]

Sounds fun

[amber crest]

It’s not to my tastes, but I know a bunch of people who like I

It

[gentle venture]

But yeah, i can’t figure out hera for the life of me

[steady topaz]

Oh yeah I think u said before it’s the one where u can spam special and stand around doing nothing else

[gentle venture]

No, that’s the hidden one

[lavish sorrel]

Hardest aspect in the game 👍

[steady topaz]

Ohh lol got em mixed up

Rip I hate when the best stuff is hidden

[gentle venture]

Maybe that’s why I struggle with beo

[steady topaz]

Ah yeah I forgot Beowulf had an aspect what that do 🤔

[gentle venture]

Well, the thing is, it’s kind of not, I would argue that it’s quite literally TWO GREAT ones and the rest ones are either side grades or genuinely bad

[amber crest]

You load casts into your bull rush, and your attacks hit harder but slower

[steady topaz]

lol yee

[gentle venture]

Or like high potential, but like a lotta stuff to get used to

[amber crest]

Arguably the most powerful in the game

[gentle venture]

It’s hera but shield

[steady topaz]

Sounds noice

[amber crest]

Hera but shield is a great way to put it

[gentle venture]

The problem is Hera and Baywolf both make me wish that festive fog didn’t exist

[lavish sorrel]

Rama/luci kinda high B tier

[steady topaz]

Why?

[gentle venture]

Hangover better

Hangover does damage, I don’t need debuffs, this isn’t a Pokémon battle

[steady topaz]

I like festive fog plus that one duo boon for Demeter or smthn

[gentle venture]

I’m not trying to do set up

I’m trying to walk in and poison them

With alcohol

It’s reverse D.A.R.E.

[amber crest]

ICE WINE IS GOATED

I personally love ice wine with Achilles

[steady topaz]

Demeter has this one good boon where if all enemies are chilled they take decay damage too Wich pairs hella well with Dionysus dot damage

[lavish sorrel]

God I love removing my mirage shot bug for no reason

[amber crest]

On Achilles

I should have specified then

[gentle venture]

My entire issue with both Ares and Dionysis is that there are times when their curse would be better than their alternative

I love them both

[steady topaz]

lol same

[gentle venture]

But sometimes I just wish that cast would do doom or hangover instead

[amber crest]

But then no hunting blades

[gentle venture]

Yeah, maybe that’s fine though

Maybe I’m not running what is that Artemis?

[steady topaz]

lol spinny blades do be fun

[gentle venture]

I agree

The problem is I so often forget if it’s on the start up or on the landing

Because it’s different for each one

[steady topaz]

Uh I forget too 🤔

[gentle venture]

Because I think Aphrodite is where you start and diagnosis is where you end

And I think ares is where you start

[steady topaz]

My favorite dash gotta be Athena dash

[amber crest]

again on Achilles. Did I mention I liked Aspect of Achilles?

[amber crest]

My fav too

[gentle venture]

Literally the best one

[steady topaz]

Yeah I like that one too

[amber crest]

Poseidon is arguable

[steady topaz]

Fax the rest seem kinda alr ig

[gentle venture]

I like dio’s even though it’s like quite literally one of the worst in the game

And by that I mean, the hangover damage is so minimal that you would be better off putting him on literally anything else

[amber crest]

Its bottom three imo

[gentle venture]

Other than cast because again

F*** festive fog

Genuinely worse than just projectile hangover

Which is what it should be

Poison gas

[steady topaz]

I love doing Hera bow special Dionysus build cus the stacks are like instantly maxed

[gentle venture]

That’s hera

[amber crest]

?

[gentle venture]

Hestia is the gun

[amber crest]

Ye

[steady topaz]

I mixed em up cus their both start with H

[amber crest]

But there’s no stacks with dip cast

Dio

[gentle venture]

So did I

[amber crest]

Don’t blame ya

[steady topaz]

U get stacks with dio special tho

[gentle venture]

Honestly, I’m just kind of struggling with extreme measures four

[gentle venture]

This is what I’m saying

[amber crest]

Yes, but then why specifically hera

[gentle venture]

If festive fog were just hangover, it would be better

[amber crest]

I found ME very helpful there

[gentle venture]

If you could load up a cast and it be hangover, but it also applies weak, the synergy for that duo Boon would be genuinely better than the way it currently is with festive fog

[steady topaz]

To get the stacks faster plus I just love the auto target of hera

[gentle venture]

I goddamn hate ME

It forces you to put Athena on the wrong stuff

[amber crest]

You don’t get it faster tho? Am I missing smt.

[gentle venture]

Athena goes on the dash goddamn dang it

You don’t put her on anything else

But noOoooo

[amber crest]

You put it on the dash and the special ye

[gentle venture]

no

bad

[amber crest]

No, good

[steady topaz]

Basically u get one stack per arrow so u instantly get 5 stacks with one special

[gentle venture]

I want four different gods on all of my things

Gotta maximize my effects

Not because I’m using privilege status because I gave up on that

But because more big number

[amber crest]

But that’s with every bow

Except lvl 1 Charon

[steady topaz]

lol I like usually focusing 3 gods in my builds like Athena Poseidon and Artemis and ares but only sometimes aphro and definitely Hermes to increase dashes or increase speed of attacks

[gentle venture]

I don’t care what my set up is I will regularly go for dio just to have a strong drink by the end of my run

That can be a savior

[amber crest]

There’s 4 gods in the god pool, so you almost always want four

[gentle venture]

But that was also because I’m using stubborn defiance

[gentle venture]

But you can go for more

It is technically possible to end up with literally all of them

[steady topaz]

I mean true but u gotta get real close with special to do that effectively

[gentle venture]

Or maybe not

[amber crest]

You can, but you usually don’t want to. That’s just less Gods you want

[amber crest]

That’s for Hera too tho. Are you thinking of Chiron?

[amber crest]

No I don’t think so

[steady topaz]

lol imagine if u could use all the god calls at the same time and be like random bs go

[steady topaz]

I’m talking about hera I don’t got Chiron

[amber crest]

You can only have one god on any base attack, including call

[gentle venture]

I’ve been talking all this time like I’m going to willingly switch off of Gilgamesh but it’s time to hop back in and give in to ME.

[steady topaz]

That’s why I said imagine

[amber crest]

But with Hera you have to go close too?

[gentle venture]

Lets see what happens

[steady topaz]

Fr? I just shoot once with dash strike and then use special

And rinse and repeat pretty much

[gentle venture]

Remind me, why does ME on the fists want ares on the attack and not the special

[steady topaz]

🤷‍♂️

[amber crest]

That’s Chiron???

[gentle venture]

I honestly think it actually should be the other way around specifically in the case of Gilgamesh

[amber crest]

Because you can apply doom faster then with dash attacks

[gentle venture]

Wait, who am I kidding?

[amber crest]

No I don’t believe so

[gentle venture]

I’m gonna go Poseidon Zeus

[amber crest]

Woohoo sea storms

[gentle venture]

Is that high damage?

[amber crest]

It can be

[steady topaz]

U sure? Ain’t Hera the one with auto target that adds the yellow mark above their head and makes the arrow spread on special go from 9 to 4 at lvl 1

[gentle venture]

I’m getting stubborn

let’s do this

[amber crest]

Now that’s Chiron

[amber crest]

Now that’s Chiron

DEFINITELY not Hera

Chiron has the auto-aim special

Hera has cast loaded arrows

[gentle venture]

By that logic, rama has aimbot

[steady topaz]

Ah I mixed those up then Chiron def my fave bow

Gold bow for the win ong

[amber crest]

How about this
Chiron removes the r in “heart seeking bow”

[gentle venture]

Would you recommend taking Zeus on the attack or the special for gilga

Attack is rare special is common

[amber crest]

Ummmmmmm

[steady topaz]

I kinda like having Poseidon on special for gauntlets

[gentle venture]

I think i’m taking his dash

[amber crest]

Oh that’s a must for a sea storm build for Gilgamesh

[amber crest]

whyyyyyy

You’re knocking them away from you so you can’t beat them
Up

[gentle venture]

Honestly, I’ve always kind of thought that fist with poseidon is an oxymoron

[gentle venture]

For that reason, exactly

[gentle venture]

What, the dash?

[steady topaz]

I mean if their already near wall it would be really good especially with that one boon that makes barrier damage 200% better

[gentle venture]

then I’m gonna take the attack because the chain lightning damage seems pretty good

[amber crest]

Like, with Talos it’s kinda like a yoyo so that’s fun, but with any other fist it’s probably the worst one

[amber crest]

Then just get Poseidon dash

[gentle venture]

Double so with Gilgamesh because you’re intended to basically only Dash attack

aw

I call that the paper shredder

[amber crest]

Jus remember to dash attack even more cuz your regular attacks are barely boosted with smt like Aphrodite or Artemis

[steady topaz]

lol I’ll do that then what to put on special and attack then? 🤔

[amber crest]

Depends on the aspect

[gentle venture]

Or wait should I take him on the special and hope to get something good percent wise for my attack?

[amber crest]

But usually Artemis or Aphrodite

[steady topaz]

Artemis pretty good I like crit chance builds

[gentle venture]

I think I’m gonna do this

[amber crest]

Maybe. You could go for Aphrodite and also go for Smoldering Akr

[amber crest]

It’s especially good on aspect of Demeter

[gentle venture]

Yeah, but I really like having my full call

[steady topaz]

I don’t think I’ve paired Artemis and Demeter before I usually do Artemis Athena

[amber crest]

Alternatively, choose glares at Average Gilgamesh Player ATHENA and go for Merciful End

[gentle venture]

woah woah woah here

[steady topaz]

Oh u meant aspect

[amber crest]

Yup

I was about to say

[steady topaz]

What does Demeter aspect do

[gentle venture]

After 12 reg attacks, your special hits more times

[amber crest]

You like uppercutting people?
Every 12 hits your special hits like 5 or 6 times

[steady topaz]

Sound interesting 🤔

[amber crest]

And it hits HARDDD

[gentle venture]

That’s after upgrading it

First one is just one extra hit

[amber crest]

My fav aspect, got me a sub 9 run

[amber crest]

Yup

[steady topaz]

Well I like Zeus shield so sounds fun

[amber crest]

You can also run Merciful End on shield! You can even do it two ways!

[steady topaz]

Beyblade build goes hard with Zeus

[amber crest]

Ares on special OR attack works

[gentle venture]

Counter offer- beeg porpole shield

[steady topaz]

Wich one is merciful end is that the Artemis Athena one?

[gentle venture]

Ares athena

[amber crest]

Ares Athena

That’s deadly reversal

[steady topaz]

Oh interesting 🤔

[gentle venture]

The problem is that the prerequisite put Athena NOT on your dash

(Making it cringe)

[steady topaz]

Yee I liked that one

[amber crest]

Deadly reversal is fun

[steady topaz]

That’s kinda dumb

[amber crest]

It’s broken so it’s kinda needed

[gentle venture]

yeah, the meta for it is to have Athena on two things instead of one

The idea is that you apply doom and then use your Athena attack to make it do the damage faster

[amber crest]

Yup

[gentle venture]

The catch being that for that to work, they want you to put it on your special and your dash

[amber crest]

Which is fine

[steady topaz]

Ah yee I like having Athena on attack sometimes especially when I’m running that boon that makes deflect also do exposed damage or whatever it is

[gentle venture]

But I think personally that it makes more sense to apply doom on special and put athena on attack

SPECIFICALLY on gilgamesh

[amber crest]

For ME you usually want ares on attack, but you can definitely do that with Aspect of Zeus

[gentle venture]

Because of the nature of the dash attack being so synergetic

[amber crest]

Personally I disagree

[gentle venture]

I also haven’t tested it

So I could just be straight wrong

[steady topaz]

I legit mainly only have aspects for spear sword bow and shield I don’t think I have aspects for rail and gauntlets 🤔

[gentle venture]

But I’d like to

[gentle venture]

Get those fists up, man

[steady topaz]

lol fr

[amber crest]

You could try it, but you’d need to practice dash appearing every time for smt that might not even do more damage

[steady topaz]

Isn’t Gilgamesh the hidden aspect for fists tho

[amber crest]

Ur missing out.

[gentle venture]

My favorite in the game

Yes

[amber crest]

We need to throw hands with Gods

[gentle venture]

I also think it’s aesthetically the best hidden aspect

[steady topaz]

What’s a good aspect to do for em that’s not gilga then

[gentle venture]

It gives you

BIG

MEATY

CLAWS

[amber crest]

Demeter

[steady topaz]

Aight bet

[amber crest]

It’s the best one on fists

[gentle venture]

Oh well, to be fair nobody ever said that Gilgamesh was good

In fact, nobody would

I am the exception

[steady topaz]

lol

Ima just run Demeter then

[amber crest]

Well at least they know it

Hey, off meta is best meta

[steady topaz]

How much blood u need for it?

[amber crest]

2

To unlock

[steady topaz]

Noice I got 1 rn I think

Maybe 🤔

Or did I spend it on Achilles

🤔

I forger

[amber crest]

Doesn’t matter, just grab it when it’s convenient

[steady topaz]

lol aight

[gentle venture]

Here is a list of every change gilgamesh makes and why they’re bad

[steady topaz]

Nah I def remember spending it on Achilles since I’m tryna get the hidden aspects revealed at least

[amber crest]

Aspect of Demeter isn’t the strongest until it’s leveled a bit, but if it is
IT CAN PHASE LERNIE
(If you do it right)

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

How much blood it cost to fully level

[amber crest]

Gee that’s rough buddy

[gentle venture]

Listen, I keep defending it and people keep bringing me data

And in their defense, yeah it does look pretty bad when you list it out like that

[amber crest]

16

[gentle venture]

It’s Janky and clunky and I love it

[amber crest]

Off meta is best meta.
But it’s DEFINITELY off meta

[steady topaz]

16? Sheesh

[amber crest]

It’s just as expensive as any other 2-blood-to-unlock weapon

Only one more than Chiron actually

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

[gentle venture]

What does jolted actually do again?

[steady topaz]

Uh I forget all I remember is I think it’s pretty good

Definitely good to have when u running Zeus boons

[gentle venture]

I just did a full on jim-from-the-office look-at-the-camera when I read that

[steady topaz]

Why

[gentle venture]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-jim-halpert-uh-oh-uncomfortable-awkward-gif-24599261

[steady topaz]

lol but why tho

[gentle venture]

Because “its good i guess”

like yeah

[amber crest]

Enemy attack. Right before attack get zapped. Hopefully die

[gentle venture]

but the info

oh, so it’s like a remote taser

[amber crest]

You may think of it that way

[gentle venture]

so a taser

Cause I guess those are already remote?

[steady topaz]

lol I said i guess cus I forgot what It did I just remembered it seemed good all the times I had it

[amber crest]

It’s very good

[gentle venture]

It just gave me a good chuckle

[steady topaz]

lol yee just like how having the decay status on Demeter builds is way better too

[gentle venture]

And honestly, with the amount of failure I’ve been experiencing within this game recently I kinda needed it

[steady topaz]

lol aight then

[amber crest]

Jolted is better tbh

[gentle venture]

OK, so I currently have Zeus on my special

[steady topaz]

Wich weapon

[gentle venture]

I have run into dio in tart

Gilgamesh fists

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

[gentle venture]

All of my options are epic rarity

[steady topaz]

lol that’s lucky

[gentle venture]

Attack inflict hangover

(Fantastic, but possibly not for this build)

[amber crest]

Grab the call

[gentle venture]

How did you

[amber crest]

If it’s available

[gentle venture]

I was goddamn getting there

[amber crest]

You have the core boon open, there’s a high chance of it being there

[steady topaz]

I like using Aphrodite call or Zeus call

[gentle venture]

But yeah, I was probably going to

[gentle venture]

You

[amber crest]

Aphrodite calls aight, but Zeus call is top 2

[gentle venture]

like charm?

Wait, if he’s top two what’s number one

[amber crest]

Dio

[gentle venture]

Really?

[amber crest]

Yup

[gentle venture]

that’s genuinely surprising

[steady topaz]

Only max call since it does 2500 damage along with stunning the enemy by making them stop attacking u

[gentle venture]

or at least unexpected

[amber crest]

It just does really good damage and can activate Privileged status if you have

[steady topaz]

What does dio call do I don’t think I ever used that one before 🤔

[gentle venture]

I used to use that

[gentle venture]

A lot of hangover

[steady topaz]

Noice hangover is hella good status effect

[amber crest]

a LOT of hangover

[steady topaz]

Does it go over the 5 stack limit?

[gentle venture]

Privileged status is not bad

[amber crest]

Btw it’s arguable

[tulip agate]

I like Artemis’s call, it’s my go to if I can’t find support fire or her cast

[gentle venture]

I think it probably could

But you would only be able to tell if you had the duo with Aphro

[amber crest]

Its aight. Believed me Artemis is my favourite god but her call is just mediocre

[steady topaz]

I think I used that one I love using Artemis boons

[gentle venture]

Dio is my favorite, hangover is great but it’s mostly his Support Boons

[amber crest]

But if you like it you do you

[gentle venture]

Like strong drink and afterparty or whatever

[amber crest]

It doesn’t. You can only exceed the limit with duos

[steady topaz]

Doesn’t Dionysus also have duo boons with pretty much every god too

[gentle venture]

That’s what I’m saying

[amber crest]

Ah mb

Misread it

[gentle venture]

I think it could go over the stack if you had the duo

[amber crest]

With most gods ye

[steady topaz]

That’s pretty good

[amber crest]

He’s just solid

And very drunk

[steady topaz]

Frfr

[gentle venture]

Doesn’t every God have duos with every God?

Are there actually gods that don’t have them?

[steady topaz]

Uh idk 🤔

[amber crest]

Yes (except Hermes’) but not all of them are made equal.

[gentle venture]

other than Hermes

[steady topaz]

Yeee that too

[amber crest]

looking at you Demeter

[steady topaz]

Are u saying u don’t like Demeter and Dionysus duos?

[gentle venture]

I don’t like most of Dems Boons at all

Nine times out of 10 I will avoid her

[amber crest]

THATS THE ONLY ONE

[amber crest]

Same

[gentle venture]

The exception is her revenge damage that fully chills them right away

[amber crest]

And even then, ice wine can even be actively detrimental

[gentle venture]

Her cast is bad, any of them that don’t lodge are horrible

Ice wine is bad because again, festive fog < Hangover

[steady topaz]

I mean her boons become way better once u have the decay status boon

[amber crest]

Imma need you to please take that back
Hunting blades
Ice wine Achilles cast
Meme beammmm

[amber crest]

Even then, it’s just ok

[gentle venture]

No, I’m gonna double down

Boiling blood is too good to sacrifice

[amber crest]

Oh wait nvm

[steady topaz]

True 50% damage buff is always goated that’s why I usually run Artemis cast or whatever like that

[amber crest]

That’s crazy considering the best weapon in the game uses non-lodging casts

Beowulf would like a moment

[gentle venture]

I stand by my case

I find it confusing as hell that the “best” weapon in the game is vastly different than the rest of the weapons’ core game mechanics.

Like all of them should have a loading cast thing if it’s that good

[amber crest]

They literally bet the game in 2:14 with a cast build built around non-lodge cast

[amber crest]

That’s like saying that Zeus should be used on Hestia cuz he’s one of the best gods

[steady topaz]

So they did it that fast without the 50% dmg buff? Dang

[gentle venture]

But he is

[amber crest]

Well, Beowulf is glitched, but yes

[amber crest]

Exactly, but you’d never use him on Hestia attack

Same here

[steady topaz]

Wdym by glitched 🤔

[amber crest]

Are you familiar with mirage shot

[steady topaz]

Uh maybe 🤔 I know it’s a boon

Don’t remember if I’ve used it tho

Ik it’s cast related

[amber crest]

It’s the duo boon between Artemis and Poseidon that shoots a second cast every time you cast that does 25% of the original cast’s damage

[steady topaz]

Sounds interesting 🤔

[amber crest]

Well with Beowulf, the second cast does full damage

It’s glitched

[steady topaz]

Dang that’s wild

[gentle venture]

wow

[amber crest]

Same applies to Hera if I recall

[steady topaz]

So u basically get double the casts u actually have?

[gentle venture]

If this run that I’m trying right now doesn’t work out Maybe I’ll switch to beo

[amber crest]

More like your casts do double damage

[steady topaz]

Noice

[gentle venture]

What are the prereqs

[amber crest]

Any Artemis main boon and any Poseidon main boon

So attack, special, call, cast or dash

[steady topaz]

That’s pretty lenient noice 👌

[amber crest]

Yup

Not like Merciful End

[steady topaz]

lol fr

[gentle venture]

I really hate that they can put enemies from ANY level in erebus gates

I hate Elysium archers

[steady topaz]

Wich ones the Artemis Athena one where the picture is the shield looking like a target with arrows in it

[steady topaz]

Same bro same

[gentle venture]

Also, I’m gonna be real with you. There’s so many things that is gonna be easier to remember things by what they do instead of their name.

Unless you wanna drive yourself crazy and become an encyclopedia

[steady topaz]

lol I’m the opposite I remember what stuff looks like but not the names of em

[gentle venture]

Bro, I just got epic tidal dash

[steady topaz]

That’s epic lol metaphorically and literally

😎

[gentle venture]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-10464204

[amber crest]

WOOO

[gentle venture]

You deserve that one

[amber crest]

Did someone say my name

[gentle venture]

Okay, What is the rarest well of charon item?

[pine hinge]

Kiss of Styx

[gentle venture]

what is that again?

[pine hinge]

It's there only after you used a death defiance

[gentle venture]

Oh

That has a prerequisite that doesn’t count

I’m talking like traditionally encounterable

[steady topaz]

I’ve gotten those a bunch of times tho 💀

[pine hinge]

Yarn of Ariadne me thinks

[gentle venture]

It’s gotta be flame wheels release

[steady topaz]

Premium kiss of Styx from that one Elysium dude is way better tho

[gentle venture]

I have seen that a combined like five times over the more than 300 attempts I’ve ever played across two different systems

[pine hinge]

Also the one gives increased movement speed when you get hyper delivery going

[amber crest]

Depends, do you mean Touch Of Styx because you have to die and have stubborn defiance. Kiss of Styx because you have to die or Release The Flame Wheels because it’s only obtained in one biome

[pine hinge]

Always not there when you actually need it

[amber crest]

Couldn’t agree more

[gentle venture]

Flame wheels release was the last one I needed for over 100 runs straight

[steady topaz]

lol it’s there for me when I need it but it’s just there when I don’t have 200 gold to buy it

[gentle venture]

Since then, I’ve seen it four times

I’m coming close on 300 attempts

[pine hinge]

Also Prometheus stone when you are running stygian soul

[amber crest]

wtf bro how little do you check Elysium wells

They’re rare, not THAT rare

[gentle venture]

I was checking

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME

[steady topaz]

Stygian soul the green perk right?

[gentle venture]

I was right about tidal Dash feeling back-asswards on Gilgamesh

[pine hinge]

Yea

[steady topaz]

Rip 💀

[steady topaz]

Ah alr 🤔

[pine hinge]

Huh

Trippy is banned?

[gentle venture]

trippy

[pine hinge]

Wait

[gentle venture]

you must’ve mistyped shot

[steady topaz]

I’ll show yall my mirror setup some time cus I forget what I’m running

[pine hinge]

So Dionysius cast makes the other cast perk not as great imo

[gentle venture]

Dionysius cast is bad

And I’m gonna say that every time it’s brought up tonight

Or I guess this morning

It’s almost 4 AM

[pine hinge]

It needs a lot to get going

But the pay off is insane

[gentle venture]

No, it needs to be replaced with just projectile hangover

lol

Genuinely wish festive fog were just gone

[pine hinge]

Though I'd say if you want to do a Beowulf run it's better to run flood cast

For some reason mirage shot is broken as hell when it's on Beowulf

[steady topaz]

Interesting 🤔

[amber crest]

It just helps you get mirage shot fastef

[gentle venture]

I just got the slam boon for pos

Unfortunately, i’m

Running

Gilgamesh

You know, I can’t wait to run whatever the anti-Meta is for hades 2 and turn that into my whole personality in the server

[pine hinge]

Flood cast makes the run bearable since you can run infernal soul without the need to gamble , instead of waiting for festive fog to expire

[gentle venture]

The question is how many failed attempts of extreme measures 4 will it take for me to admit that the weapon aspect is the problem?

It’s either that or it’s me

[amber crest]

You can beat EM4 with any weapon

[gentle venture]

So I’m the problem

[amber crest]

No, but yes? EM4 is just difficult

But it’s doable with any weapon

[rancid ember]

I feel anti-meta will always just go to "make choices that make you be as close to effectively boonless as possible, on max Fear if available"

[west shard]

I hate how buggy hades 1 is

[rancid ember]

I don't feel like Hades 1 has an abnormal number of bugs unless you're really going out of your way for them, it just has a small handful of ones still extant that you're likely to run into

Thanks language censor, can you at least send me my message back in DM please so I don't have to retype the whole thing ENTIRELY just because I used my natural speech patterns?

Anyway

There's like a handful of janky build bugs that tend to player-favor, very rare slips in other areas, and a few "maybe this should have been better tuned" things that aren't really bugs but it's otherwise a very well put together game?

[lavish sorrel]

It's difficult to name a game mechanic in Hades the videogame that has no weirdness to it (or edgecases the game doesn't tell the player about), but those bugs if you want to call them that are usually not gamebreaking, yeah

There is only a single bug I'd consider "major", and it's not even because of the game's scripts

[forest lynx]

Guys, I have the requirements for the 10,000 kills for this trophy “Fulfill the Prophecy: Beloved of the God of War.”
Once you’ve reached maximum favor with Ares (basically after you’ve maxed out the hearts with him), you’ll receive his prophecy.
I’ve talked to Ares several times but he still hasn’t unlocked the trophy—why is that?

[lavish sorrel]

Can be one of the following:

• you've not actually reached 10k kills yet (unlikely)
• you've not collected the prophecy's rewards (in zag's room) yet
• This game sorts lines of dialogue by "priority"; some are considered more important than others and have higher odds of showing up first. In other words, you might be getting dialogue RNG'd by Ares.

Either way, just playing the game as you have been for a while will eventually grant you this achievement. Keep at it

[forest lynx]

Thanks for the reply, I think it’s the RNG thing but I’ll check the prophecies to be sure..

[sweet gale]

I don’t want to get pinged so don’t reply to this but debate which cast is best

[indigo badge]

none of them

casts are only important if you're playing a castpect

if not you just grab them to open up duos

or to fill up your cores so you get secondary boons offered

[polar aspen]

I just realized, does Dionysus stack with Rama?

[mint coral]

I'd say athena/zeus/poseidon

[vast raven]

it stacks per hit of the special yes

[polar aspen]

Like does drunken flourish synergize with shared suffering

[polar aspen]

Sweet

[vast raven]

no

[polar aspen]

Oh okay

[mint coral]

Shared suffering is only attack dmg

[polar aspen]

Ahh okay

[vast raven]

shared suffering only works on attack damage specifically

[polar aspen]

I'm just watching a high heat video and it came to my mind cuz they got drunkenn flourish

[amber crest]

It’s just a rlly good way to spread hangover

[mint coral]

You use special a lot

^ that yeah

[polar aspen]

That's fair

[mint coral]

Any flat dmg is good

[vast raven]

yep its good at high heat for clearing the damage control

[polar aspen]

I don't use Rama I primarily use Hera

[mint coral]

Or ideally something like thunder flourish + jolted

[vast raven]

savior enemies😌

[amber crest]

I use Zagreus

[mint coral]

[vast raven]

or yeah ideally you hit the zeus special but dio is also a close second in terms of high heat preferred in slot

[polar aspen]

That's fair, makes sense

I'm just watching someone react to playads 64 heat

[vast raven]

in anyheat you start zeus for the special actually

and then get artemis for then getting rod for room clear

[mint coral]

Rod mentioned

[polar aspen]

I honestly got to make more use out of Artemis

The primary boon I always take from Lady Artemis is either supportive fire or exit wounds

I need to see how else to play around with her booms and synergize with others

[vast raven]

artemis dash

[mint coral]

You take her attack/special pray to chaos for %
Succeed

[polar aspen]

Yeah I've heard it's good

[mint coral]

Also PP + hunter's mark good

[polar aspen]

I need to do a little more reading on all of lady Artemis spoons

XD

God I hate my voice to text LOL

[mint coral]

If you crit with an arty spon it gets extra tastier for that bite

[polar aspen]

CRITICAL TASTE!

[amber crest]

Plus, you can always go cast and get mirage shot and fully loaded if you pray to rng

Not reliable in the slightest to get both

But hella satisfying if you can pull it off

[mint coral]

Cast is the most stinky along with her call sadly

At least call has the show off part

[amber crest]

Oh yeah her cast is aggressively mediocre

[amber crest]

I usually run this build with ice wine because I’m a gambler at heart

[mint coral]

If you want mirage shot dumbness go unlock the hidden shield

[polar aspen]

Tempest strike
Crush shot
Exit wounds
Quick/auto reload

[mint coral]

Use flourish instead

[amber crest]

Yeah there are better options

[mint coral]

Funny enough with hera arty attack is super good

[polar aspen]

Oh yeah?

[amber crest]

Arty attack is good with all the bows

[mint coral]

Unlocks hunter's mark which can allow fat cast crit

[polar aspen]

I usually go Tempest strike, because I like the knockback and the fact I can slam them into the walls while dealing damage with crush shot

[mint coral]

• you attack a lot so the dmg adds up

Especially if you roll twin/triple shot

[polar aspen]

Mind you I'm only on 10 heat at the moment

I don't really know what's good for very high heat

[mint coral]

Hera is not that good at high heat fwiw lol

[amber crest]

At 10 heat builds don’t rlly matter, so that makes sense

[polar aspen]

Exactly

[amber crest]

It’s good enough to get to like 32 heat

[mint coral]

It thrives of one shotting enemies to skip the lodging casts part

[amber crest]

It’s not the best

[mint coral]

And at high heats (way past 32) it struggles to do that lol

But yeah for 32 literally anything is chill

[amber crest]

But it’s certainly good enough for casual play

[polar aspen]

See that's why I Try to go for Hermes quick reload so that way they're not lodged in the enemies the whole encounter LOL

[mint coral]

You can also learn wallbug for bosses which is funny

[polar aspen]

??

[amber crest]

Hera accelerates that already, so it’s kinda redundant

[polar aspen]

No it just makes killing them faster LOL

Especially when you already have exit wounds

[mint coral]

Shooting casts at angles towards walls can make the cast hit the enemy but not lodge into them

[polar aspen]

Oh okay I got you

[amber crest]

If you shoot it at a wall, and the hitbox still hits the enemy, sometimes you’ll gtt at the cast back cuz it counts at hitting the wall

[polar aspen]

Didn't know it had an actual term LOL

Weather intentional or not I didn't know it was called anything

[amber crest]

Imma be honest me neither

[polar aspen]

I figured it was just sometimes they don't get lodged in the enemy and hit the wall instead

I never knew that it had a community term LOL

[amber crest]

wtf was that

[polar aspen]

All I saw was a price

It was like $200 LOL

[amber crest]

I just got jumpscared

[mint coral]

Bot prob

[polar aspen]

What for, I have no damn clue lol

[amber crest]

Me neither

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1229078264811618305/1236163222864920616/wallbug.mp4?ex=68d36ab7&is=68d21937&hm=2be037ed80f4b4c0d9d0204e68298c50a0b0a67cca0953d83f985cd3491d63d3&

Wallbug gaming

[polar aspen]

By the gods!

That ate through his health

Going to be honest I can't believe this game has been out for 5 years

I only discovered it like give or take November I think

[mint coral]

Mood but on the opposite side

Can't believe I've been loving this game for 5 years

[polar aspen]

And I've only been playing it since april

I'm surprised it took me so long to find this game

It took like 2 hours for this to become one of my favorite games

Because I am emphatic about Greek mythology

[mint coral]

Also a bit funny how much I know of this game by absorbing knowledge from others 😭

[polar aspen]

Lol

[mint coral]

And because most leave I'm stuck here as one of the main helpers

(ofc shoutout shackle & co too)

[polar aspen]

I only have 128 hours but I feel like I played it so much more LOL

And it's actually less for all the times I paused and stepped away from the computer

[mint coral]

"only"

[polar aspen]

There was one time I had an hour long run because I stepped away from the computer and forgot to pause

[mint coral]

One time I died to that lol

Think I had timer on and died in styx hub

[polar aspen]

Also for all the times that that's happened or that I've just been chilling with eurydice while I enjoy some of lady demeter's harvest LOL

[polar aspen]

Oooofff

Yeah once I put on timers I'm going to have to really crack down on focusing

I've timed myself using the speed run timer, but I don't think I'm ready to limit myself to a certain amount of time per region of the underworld

I love all the little things the gods say about little changes you make

[mint coral]

Timer gets super chill usually

[polar aspen]

Like Hermes is somehow more aware than others because he knows when the player turns on and off the speed run timer

[mint coral]

Also time adds between regions

[polar aspen]

Oh it does?

[mint coral]

Yeah

So you bank time for ely/styx basically

And timing out is not an instant kill

[polar aspen]

I figured it added what was left to the next region's timer but I also figured I'd not be able to make that much time from it

Maybe like three extra seconds

I think the fastest I've beaten Tartarus was like 4 minutes 58 seconds

[mint coral]

More than enough for timer 1/2 at least

That's 5 mins/3 mins

[polar aspen]

Again using hera crush shot

[mint coral]

Could also be pact related

[polar aspen]

Yeah but usually it runs about 8 minutes

[mint coral]

Ah I see

[polar aspen]

Cuz I usually take the time to consider my options before I go LOL

[mint coral]

Pause between doors

[polar aspen]

Mind you I have been getting better at pausing before choosing

[mint coral]

Yeah those things you will build up over time

[polar aspen]

Apparently the adamant rail is insanely good for speed running LOL

I saw adplays fastest run is like six and a half minutes with the adamant rail

[mint coral]

All weapons have reached that benchmark

[polar aspen]

I didn't even know it was possible to beat the game in less than 10

[mint coral]

Rail is one of the easiest weapons to start Speedrunning imo

[polar aspen]

I think my fastest time is 16 minutes

Might be 21 I can't quite remember lol

I average around 25 minutes a run

[mint coral]

+75% global dmg is insane and no much micromanaging of the weapon itself at first

I refused to use timer for a long time till I saw haelian say "is not that hard just try it"

And yeah it wasn't loo

Then sub 10 just came naturally cuz why not

[polar aspen]

23:34:05

[mint coral]

Sub 10/32 heat are good benchmarks I'd say if you eventually wanna go deeper into either side

[polar aspen]

Sorry no, I apparently beat that just barely it's 23:26:60

That is my fastest run

[mint coral]

Good time tbh

You have "access" to timer 2 without worries at least with hera

[mint coral]

Hera is also one of the insane speedrun aspects

But I suck at it

Cast managing too hard

[polar aspen]

Honestly I don't find casting all that bad with Hera

I will ask is flurry cast locked out with Hera

[mint coral]

Yeah

[polar aspen]

Okay I wasn't sure if I was just getting insanely and lucky or if it was actually locked out

[mint coral]

Hera gets better hermes odds for free

[polar aspen]

I figured it would be

[mint coral]

Hidden shield gets even better hermes too which is funny

Due to how it works

[polar aspen]

All you have to do is push the b button three or four times and you're good, so you wouldn't really need to hold it down

[polar aspen]

Which one is that again, I pretty much only use Zeus

[mint coral]

Load casts, release on bullrush

Casts explode into an aoe

Is the 4th aspect, dunno if you have it unlocked

[rustic vale]

It’s like slightly different Hera

[mint coral]

Due to how casts work with it you eliminate quick reload and flurry cast from hermes's pool

Chunky hera

And buggy

[mint coral]

Oh yeah casually is fine

Cast managing means knowing how many you actually need to kill an enemy

Which varies a lot per run due to stuff like rush delivery/chaos/poms

[polar aspen]

Oh that's actually kind of neat

I don't really use the bull rush all that much

Can you block without needing to bull rush at the same time

[mint coral]

And also the funnier fact

[polar aspen]

Are those two inexorrably linked

[mint coral]

You know mirage shot right

[polar aspen]

Yeah

[mint coral]

Also yeah need to hold bullrush to block

[polar aspen]

Okay I figured but I wasn't sure if I was just missing something

[mint coral]

Hidden shield (and hera + Dionysus cast)) turn casts from "shot" into "flares"

And for whatever reason

Mirage shot doesn't reduce the dmg of the copied cast when using flares

[polar aspen]

Flares are more powerful than shots right

Cuz I know flares are tied to certain aspects

[mint coral]

They are about the same dmg numbers

[polar aspen]

Okay

[mint coral]

The difference is flares explode in aoe

[polar aspen]

Ahh okay

[mint coral]

So they also don't lodge into enemies

[polar aspen]

Nic3

[mint coral]

So the copied cast instead of being 30% cast dmg is just the full 100%

It just casually doubles your dmg lol

[polar aspen]

I will have to give it a shot

[mint coral]

Dionysus cast + hidden shield also has another funny bug

Pom values are double of what's displayed

First pom is +60 but in reality it gives +120

[polar aspen]

For the record record would you say that thundering flourish or curse of agony is better for Zeus Shield

[mint coral]

Thunder in general for me

Ares special is ME gaming and I hate it

[polar aspen]

I played around with both of them and I couldn't quite tell which one felt like it did better

[mint coral]

(ME being merciful end duo)

Thunder is more heat resilient

[polar aspen]

Ah right lol

[mint coral]

It requires less to work so less pacts affect it badly

And the dmg is consistent

[polar aspen]

Makes sense

[mint coral]

Less pain from underworld customs/AP/RI (not that you should use these last 2 anytime soon)

Deals with damage control well too

I need to stop using the abbreviations before sending them

Ap = less choices at boons/hammers/etc
Ri = turns 3 mirror skills per level, starting from the bottom

[polar aspen]

appreciate it lol i know what all the punishments do i just can never remember their names lol

[lavish sorrel]

atp just post a link to bananas' 32 guide, explains all of this

[polar aspen]

true but i also enjoy the conversation side of things

[mint coral]

Yeah fair enough lol

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uwYcZ8DB0pIN_kv-0_9Hgn4kqOOXtH9MeCExszSWRLg/https/i.imgur.com/7IxomSEh.jpg

I hate you imgur

Anyways the abbreviations are pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies too

[polar aspen]

duly noted thank you ^^

[mint coral]

But yeah zeus shield good at heat

I think there's a 50+ heat win with most if not all specials?

Shoutout explosive return

[rough carbon]

Bro I like the two attacks

[gentle venture]

Yo what are some of the beo metas

other than like festive fog

And what’s a good set up for a Hades aspect spear

Still attempting em4, getting back into it tonight

[mint coral]

Flood flare > arty attack > mirage shot

Trippy flare is like 3rd best due to rng

Can also do passion flare > snow burst > privileged status

[gentle venture]

What does mirage shot do again?

[mint coral]

Cast shoots a second copy of it at reduced damage

But beowulf's flares are bugged and don't get their dmg reduced

It just doubles your damage

[gentle venture]

Right, we were talking about this last night

Or I guess this morning

I always feel weird about Beowolf

I know I talked about it a lot last night, but that one and Hera both make me wish that Dionysis cast was just more hangover instead of festive fog

[old bluff]

I feel like it is better as a more unique thing and it doesn’t mess with other hangovers sources tbh

But to each their own

[gentle venture]

I look at festive fog the way non-competitive Pokémon players look at set up moves

It doesn’t do damage

[old bluff]

what

Oh

[gentle venture]

Casts that don’t lodge are already bad.

If I can’t shoot it and make boiling blood do more damage it’s useless

Hence, the reason I feel the same way about demeter

The literal only exception in my eyes is ares, and even then using the dash with blade drift is way better

[old bluff]

Okay, but trippy does really good base damage

It’s also does good area

[rustic vale]

This just isn’t true

[mint coral]

? Trippy flare is like, the high roll for nukes

[gentle venture]

When boiling blood has become muscle memory at this point, it is

[mint coral]

Consider not all weapons need that +50% attack/special bonus

[gentle venture]

That damage boost against literally just dad makes it

It’s also why I feel some type of way about Zeus, if I shoot my cast at something I want it to stay there

[rustic vale]

not every aspect cares for +50% strike and special additive

and casts like hunting blades and trippy shot are often just a truly stupid amount of dps that it doesn’t matter that you lost boiling bloof

[old bluff]

Like Gilgamesh

[mint coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/942263189599563816/2022021300340500-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.mp4?ex=68d3677a&is=68d215fa&hm=13b05360293065afdcc8ba6bda311105b279bf988363b85bf1f5685e03cdaf15&

[gentle venture]

which is ironic, considering that’s THE one

That I use

[rustic vale]

Gilgamesh try to have no base damage challenge

easy

[gentle venture]

Hot damn