#h1-discussion

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placid coral
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getting answers to simple questions without being criticized has honestly helped my motivation a lot

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wait THATS what it does???

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I thought you got upgraded boons every three pickups

fossil furnace
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Even in styx, if you see a path with Demeter in it you can just go there first and then go through the rest of them to progress the rarity

placid coral
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and that was it

fossil furnace
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I don't know if that'd hold up with timed pressure, I never take that tag

rustic vale
mint coral
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it also has the funny interaction with exclusive access

placid coral
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ooo

mint coral
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it goes common to epic immediately

placid coral
rustic vale
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It can’t target Hermes boons, or any non-purge-able boons

mint coral
placid coral
mint coral
rustic vale
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All chaos boons, and any boons that give you an instant boost

mint coral
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useless access my love

rustic vale
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or the dd boons from athena

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poseidons boon that drops darkness and other goodies

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Demeters boon that instantly heals you and boosts future heals

placid coral
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ok

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that's not that bad

rustic vale
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It’s actually good for you

placid coral
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if you could come up with a new chaos curse

rustic vale
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cuz those boons tend to be ones where rarity doesn’t really matter, so narrowing down the options improves your odds of it hitting good ones

rustic vale
placid coral
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yikes

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that would suck

mint coral
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combining with FO2 and BP

placid coral
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what about for the next 2 boons, you lose one option

fossil furnace
mint coral
rustic vale
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A summary of exclusive access’s effects from the best boon info source

placid coral
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aka if you have max of that one pact, you just don't get a boon

mint coral
rustic vale
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Imagine getting ap2’ed into such a curse

mint coral
fossil furnace
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What is exclusive access

placid coral
mint coral
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pos-dio duo boon

rustic vale
placid coral
rustic vale
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The effects are summarised above

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in that image

fossil furnace
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ah

mint coral
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is the only boon in that wiki that has a message from the creator lol

rustic vale
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You know what’s a little annoying

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how some hammers and boons have range values on that wiki

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and the rest don’t

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like it’s really nice to know the range/radius of some of the hammers but then others are just missing it

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And it’d be nice to know the range of default strikes and specials for reference

mint coral
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range as in the % variation?

rustic vale
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no range as in the ingame units that something covers

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Like charged shot has a range of 800 or 900 and explosive return has a diameter of 550 iirc

placid coral
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uhh

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how many units is one skull?

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Just like as a measurement

rustic vale
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No clue

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That’s the problem

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There aren’t reference points aside from other hammers or boons

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it’d be really nice to have the default sword strike range as a reference

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but you know what’s interesting?

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Apparantly black metal (the ares boon that boosts the area of blades) doesn’t actually boost their area as a +% as displayed in game but rather is a flat boost to the area of all blades

placid coral
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odd

fossil furnace
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There's no way to influence Daedalus Hammers, right?

rustic vale
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I think I’m remembering the name of the boon correctly

placid coral
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which boon is the most under rated in your opinion?

rustic vale
mint coral
placid coral
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(I can't really decide over/underrated stuff considering my limited playtime)

placid coral
rustic vale
mint coral
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aoe explosion on death, aphro

rustic vale
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Well

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That’s not in Hades 1

fossil furnace
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I'm trying to find the Spear's "Chain Skewer" hammer modifier for a prophecy, it's the only one I'm still missing

rustic vale
mint coral
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don't play achilles or gy

fossil furnace
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It says it's incompatible with the aspects of achilles and guan yu?

placid coral
mint coral
rustic vale
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Dying lament is on taking damage

fossil furnace
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Okay fine

mint coral
fossil furnace
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So, Aspect of Hades, then?

mint coral
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aphro revenge is wave of despair

rustic vale
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There isn’t an aoe on death in H1

mint coral
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check the wiki rn lol

rustic vale
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OH

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YOU MEAN ON ENEMY DEATH

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Apologies

mint coral
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lmfao

rustic vale
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My bad

placid coral
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ok completely unrelated to this convo, but who's your favorite voice actor in hades

mint coral
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Logan, by far

rustic vale
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I’d honestly also put that on my underrated list

rustic vale
mint coral
# mint coral Logan, by far

https://youtu.be/cX56xOTAbiA?t=102 mandatory watch tbh

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Supergiant Games
Hades - Meet the Voice of Lord Hades Himself!

Though each of our games is quite different, one thing they have in common is the wonderful voice of Logan Cunningham, who's brought so many of our characters to life. Here's a special message from him, along with a brief look at the different roles he's played!

Play Hades on Switch: http://supergiant.games/hadesswitch
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placid coral
fossil furnace
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ah gotcha

rustic vale
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or 6

mint coral
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(timestamped for the hades roles but he plays an insane amount of characters across all the games)

mint coral
placid coral
mint coral
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zag's va is also great

rustic vale
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Darren korb right

fossil furnace
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This game has some banger VAs

mint coral
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yup

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Music composer of sgg and Orpheus's singing voice

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also skelly

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the other shared characters I remember are dusa/aphro Persephone/Demeter Zeus/Chaos

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and I believe nyx/artemis?

fossil furnace
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Are there any characters in the game that don't share a VA with another character?

mint coral
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Cerberus :p

fossil furnace
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I mean Cerberus is a good boi so he doesn't count I don't think

mint coral
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he has 3 different doggos listed iirc lol

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also apparently dio and ares also share lol

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Hypnos is done by Greg?? damn

fossil furnace
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who is greg

mint coral
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Writer of sgg

fossil furnace
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ah

mint coral
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lol hermes and sisyphus too are shared

mint coral
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from what can I see only patroclus/eurydice/Orpheus don't share VA's with someone else

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well, Orpheus's speaking VA

fossil furnace
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All of the VAs in this game are so talented

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It's crazy to imagine

mint coral
mint coral
fossil furnace
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Are they all dogs?

mint coral
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yup

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all dogs from sgg's team

fossil furnace
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That's adorable

placid coral
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who's better, Alecto or Tis (forgot how to spell the rest of her name ._.)

mint coral
fossil furnace
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lmao

mint coral
placid coral
mint coral
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I prefer Tis

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she's chill

placid coral
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altho imo tis is the easier fight

mint coral
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oh I agree but I play that fight like a dumbass

placid coral
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alecto has shotgunned me more times than I'd like to admit

fossil furnace
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Is it just me or is Hades' phase 1 harder than his phase 2

gilded quest
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There is a contractor upgrade to make Theseus shut up?

fervent radish
mint coral
fervent radish
gilded quest
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😭

mint coral
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Learn to speedrun so he doesn't have time to say his voice lines

placid coral
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you should be able to press a button during diologue and have zag interrupt

copper sedge
placid coral
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like he has different ways for each character

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(And it just doesn't work for cerberus)

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"look I don't really care, let's just fight already"

"yes, I died, no need to rub it in"

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"no I am not a murderer"

copper sedge
placid coral
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lol

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"why are you angry at a fish?"

copper sedge
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Who’s that?

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Oh

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Hades

fossil furnace
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Is it weird that I don't have the same problem with Theseus that everyone else seems to

placid coral
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"no I am not flirting with you, I just want to have dinner with everyone" (that ones a bit personal lol)

fossil furnace
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I don't mind his stubbornness

tepid plover
placid coral
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everyone is entitled to their own opinions

copper sedge
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Out of curiosity, who are everyone’s top 3 characters?

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Character wise, not gameplay wise

placid coral
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dusa, arti, and prob astarius

tepid plover
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Dio, sisyphus, and zag

placid coral
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I forgot zag lol

tepid plover
placid coral
tepid plover
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Baldurs gate

placid coral
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ohh

copper sedge
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Artemis, Apollo, and Hypnos for me

tepid plover
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Wait is astarion, I'm tripping

placid coral
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out of the house of hades, who is the most ready to throw hands

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not who's the strongest

copper sedge
placid coral
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but who would attack first

tepid plover
copper sedge
placid coral
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imo either dusa or meg

tepid plover
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Meg and Achilles are the fighters

copper sedge
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But would they start fights?

placid coral
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like I think dusa would be comedically aggressive to anyone who messes up the house (except cerberus cause good boy)

tepid plover
placid coral
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yea fair

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altho if Alecto was allowed in the house

copper sedge
placid coral
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shed 100% be the first

tepid plover
placid coral
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altho maybe that's why she isnt

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Who is the most tragic underworld character

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(aka not in the house)

copper sedge
placid coral
copper sedge
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Of course

mint coral
placid coral
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honestly for me it's either tis or patroclus

copper sedge
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Not sure about tragic, but Orpheus had it rough at the start

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Imagine being sent to prison over burnout

placid coral
mint coral
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Tis is chill with her job

placid coral
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yeah but the way she is, "its all she knows" that sort of thing is always sad imo

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cause like

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idk

copper sedge
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Is there anyone in hades that isn’t tragic one way or another

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Well, Cerberus exists

placid coral
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but some def more than others

copper sedge
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Dusa doesn’t seem like it either
Eh, still more tragic characters than not

placid coral
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overworked

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but it's by choice

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being a workaholic must suck

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especially how she seems to be unable to make friends

copper sedge
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Fair

placid coral
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and the whole firing thing was stupid

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like

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I hate the fact that that was realalistically the only way to get her to take a break

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cause it shows that dusa have major issues with that sort of thing

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Anyway it's midnight

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discussing random things about this game is fun

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but I need some sleep lol

copper sedge
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It is
Well, later

fossil furnace
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About Demeter's rare crop boon (the one that makes a random boon common then progressively increases its rarity), can it target a boon that is already common?

indigo badge
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yes

fossil furnace
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ah, ok

final hinge
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What does "The Big Five-Oh" winning condition stands for?

indigo badge
final hinge
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ah makes sense

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i was checking my old screenshots

stiff obsidian
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I should've saved my svreens

tepid plover
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Just do it again bouldy

harsh scroll
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Hades is about one of the 100 men that is unironically willing to fight the gorilla, so the rest tries to stop him and end sacrificed to the gods

indigo badge
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would theseus voluntarily fight the gorilla 1v1?

harsh scroll
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He would but he's employed by the gorilla to stop the man

snow hemlock
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Hey so

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Yknow how zeus cast bounces between enemies

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Does that trigger exit wounds

tepid plover
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pretty sure it still lodges into the first enemy

mint coral
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Lodging with zeus cast is weird

mint coral
silver abyss
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zag is so cute

fossil furnace
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So, about the Hades fight

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I mostly struggle with his Phase 1, he almost always procs at least one defiance out of me, and if I add any amount of heat he can potentially straight-up kill me before I even phase him

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And whenever I do reach his second phase it's usually not nearly as bad

indigo badge
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so you have trouble fighting his summons?

fossil furnace
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That, and for some reason his normal attacks feel harder to dodge in phase 1 than in phase 2

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Maybe because I'm trying to juggle his summons and himself at the same time

indigo badge
indigo badge
fossil furnace
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I never actually understood how Armor works

indigo badge
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also check wells of charon in styx, they can have extra armor damage

fossil furnace
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It's just extra HP that stops enemies from flinching until you break it, right?

indigo badge
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it's just a second hp bar

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and also that yes

mint coral
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armored enemies also have upgraded moves often

indigo badge
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most notably in elysium styx 👆

mint coral
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armored archers shoot multiple volleys vs unarmored ones

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and dad summons are called super elites

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so they have even more armor than the usual ones

fossil furnace
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I see

mint coral
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Also armor will cap overkill dmg

fossil furnace
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I usually don't like bringing armor breaching because Hades himself doesn't have any

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I suppose it could be useful if I find it early on

mint coral
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I only take it if there's nothing better

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Except fists

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Where breaching cross is its best hammer

indigo badge
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long knuckle my beloved 🫀

pine osprey
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Guys, I completed the mission of the 3 skull statues, using god mode, but I didn't receive the achievement. Do I need to do it without god mode? I saw a platinum guide that said it wouldn't be a problem to use it

mint coral
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The achievement is only up to the 2nd statue

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And yes god mode shouldn't affect it

pine osprey
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Ooooo thx

stiff obsidian
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phase 2 is easier

granite steppe
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Is there any downside to ||taking the ambrosia back from Dusa||?

mint coral
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nope

granite steppe
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Cool

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Thanks

ember sinew
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What is "The Epilogue" and how do i reach it

fossil furnace
ember sinew
fossil furnace
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Okay so, you need to "forge bonds" with the olympian gods, which involves maxing out their affinity with Nectar and then doing some ambiguous task for them. I reccomend consulting the wiki for that

ember sinew
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oh

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i thought they were optional 💔

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S o m u c h g r i n d i n g

fossil furnace
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you need to make bonds with at least 6 out of the 9 of them iirc

ember sinew
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ok thank youu

fossil furnace
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Okay question? I get Aphoridte's bond by ||Forging bonds with Dusa, Meg and Thanatos||, right? Well ||I just got Dusa to 7 hearts and I notice there's 3 more after that, unlike everyone else so far. Does that mean I have to get her to 10 hearts to unlock Aphrodite's bond?||

mint coral
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yeah

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||her bond in specific happens after maxing out her hearts then having one more convo with her in your room||

fossil furnace
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||who, Dusa or Aphrodite||?

mint coral
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dusa

fossil furnace
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oh

placid coral
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is it bad that I let dusa keep the ambrosia dispite knowing that there was no consequences

fossil furnace
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Not particularly, I would assume

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You can always get more through the broker

fossil furnace
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What the hell is going on, I took Demeter's Keepsake in order to grind out her legendary boon for the prophecy

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I got her on the first room and now she has yet to appear a second time

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I'm at Styx

mint coral
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happens

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you know about the god pool right

fossil furnace
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Apparently not

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I know you can get 4 gods to appear per run usually

mint coral
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yeah you know it then

fossil furnace
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But apparently the Keepsake doesn't influence this?

mint coral
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keepsake makes it so you get them into your pool

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it can also bypass the natural 4 gods cap

fossil furnace
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Then why isn't Demeter appearing anymore

latent moon
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Rng happens

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Sometimes they just show up once and never again, even if they're in your god pool

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Oh is sticky bot gone

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How long has sticky bot been gone lmfao

mint coral
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It'll prob be back for the next update

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Or is just dead

fossil furnace
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Oh lmao

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Apparently Hades is susceptible to Demeter's "Winter Harvest"

copper sedge
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Bot gone? So if I say hades 2 it’ll be the moderators that scold me? Neat!

agile leaf
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i am currently using aspect of hera bow, does it activate ravenous will if i load all my casts? same question for beowulf shield, if they are different in that regard

mint coral
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both work with all casts loaded

agile leaf
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it does activate? great

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putting together a dyonisus/zeus build, i need to get a few more bonds forged and figured i could see what kinds of builds i can get going

rustic vale
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It didn’t even read messages

fossil furnace
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Okay, I've got like, 3 prophecies left to fulfill, at least as far as what the game has revealed to me

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Reuniting Orpheus and Eurydice, Learning the Lyre, and all Chaos Boons

fossil furnace
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lmao

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I was fighting Charon and I beat him, and then I happened to be standing on the exact spot he was trying to move to so he could give me the discount card

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So it ended up with him awkwardly dancing around me until he gave up trying to move to that location

torn sinew
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i play with em4 so much on my phone that when im on a new run on my computer im like "wait where's asterius big crash landing thing"

fossil furnace
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Wait, Hades is on mobile?

torn sinew
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yea

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you need netflix tho

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and you cant cross save

fossil furnace
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Netflix??

torn sinew
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yea

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netflix has games

fossil furnace
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huh

torn sinew
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and hades is like one of the 3 actually good ones

fossil furnace
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First I'm hearing of it

torn sinew
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yea makes sense

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people usually use netflix for shows, not games

lavish sorrel
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steam has pc -> mobile remote play I guess, though there is a significant amount of input delay and obviously requires owning the game on pc

tepid plover
fossil furnace
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That's so dumb

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Needing an iPhone AND a Netflix account

tepid plover
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🤷‍♂️ without Netflix it wouldn't have been possible anyway

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The iPhone thing idk

gilded geyser
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well that is what i meant by be faster :P kill things faster by playin better

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em4 is fun tho and people do higher heats where they have to do it so surely i can eventually learn to do 32 heat even with bad heat choices B)

lavish sorrel
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oh of course

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warning you it will take twice as long than if it wasn't on

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you do whatever with your time

gilded geyser
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yassiesss

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it's ok still a super fun game :D

tepid plover
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I refuse to play without em4

fossil furnace
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I found a work contract called "Eldest Sigil Restoration" that costs 3142 darkness specifically

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That's a very specific number

tepid plover
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It used to cost A LOT more

fossil furnace
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How much, exactly?

tepid plover
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8888 iirc

fossil furnace
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Does the wiki mention that anywhere?

rustic vale
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The Hades wiki is pretty mid tbh

fossil furnace
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you can say that again

torn sinew
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if you buy the anvil and get a hammer that's required for a prophecy does it count or nah?

fossil furnace
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Yeah it counts

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learned that today myself

torn sinew
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nice

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how did i get parting shot as my third boon wth 😭

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im using lvl 1 guan yu rn 😭

rustic vale
torn sinew
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but idk how to proceed from here

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i already lost a defiance

rustic vale
winter scarab
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When it plays segments of songs and not just individual notes

winter scarab
winter scarab
rustic vale
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Like adderall

torn sinew
torn sinew
torn sinew
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but orpheus hasn’t been appearing 😭

fossil furnace
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Just had skelly pull a prank on me where ||he asked me to kill him with Zag Aspect sword specifically, and then he'd be permanently dead, but the permanent death was a lie||

mint coral
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gottem'

tepid plover
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You got got

gilded quest
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Bro took me 40 minutes to complete 18 heat run😭

granite steppe
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What's a really good cast build to pair with Poseidon sword?

indigo badge
granite steppe
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What's mirage shot?

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Lightning Phalanx seems obvious

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And I still need to unlock Arty's last heart so I'll go that route I think

indigo badge
granite steppe
rustic vale
granite steppe
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Wdym?

indigo badge
fossil furnace
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Wait

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Do I have to AVOID certain boon combos to avoid mid duos when I eventually try high heat?

tepid plover
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If yoh open the requirement for a duo you don't want, you're potentially turning on ap1 right? You're robbing yourself of a choice

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Think of it like that, same way sometimes you grab a core boon even if you don't want it, that way no more show up

fossil furnace
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Seems I still have a lot to learn

tepid plover
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Its honestly minor stuff, that goes a long way

stiff obsidian
fossil furnace
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Alright, which ones should I be looking for, and which ones should I avoid?

tepid plover
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pends on the build lol

harsh scroll
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Avoid Demeter at all costs

fossil furnace
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Wait is she really so bad?

harsh scroll
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Name one good duo from Demeter

fossil furnace
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I would have assumed cold fusion at least was good

harsh scroll
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Ice Wine can only be used in builds dedicated entirely to Dio cast
Crystal Clarity is what makes her cast usable and it's still beyond useless
Cold Embrace is a direct nerf
Blizzard Shot is a direct nerf
Cold Fusion is of no use when you can constantly apply Jolted anyway
Freezing Vortex is a direct nerf and it blocks Hunting Blades which makes it even worse
Stubborn Roots is the most eh thing ever because you get a suboptimal healing only after you use a defiance

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Unless the entire purpose of your build relies on Demeter you avoid her like the plague

fossil furnace
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alright fine

tepid plover
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the grandma hatred is real

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reap what you sow

harsh scroll
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I like Demeter in the lore and in the actual mythology but no thanks on the gameplay

tepid plover
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im always gonna grab that legendary for the voice line alone

harsh scroll
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The legendary is pretty cool ngl

fossil furnace
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What are some boons I want to look for then?

tepid plover
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the ones that fit your build

harsh scroll
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Now that depends on the build

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A build I'm eager to try is Dio atk + Art special + Aphro dash on Demeter fists. I wanna try Splitting Headache + Heart Rend on it for some odd reason

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As much as I know it'll probably not be worth it anyway

fossil furnace
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I just wanna know what keepsake I should take at the start of the run

tepid plover
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broski

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that depends on the run

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what build you trynna do

fossil furnace
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I just wanna push heat right now, I don't care what build I come accross

tepid plover
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aight grab hypnos, there you go

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free money

harsh scroll
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Knowing which build you're taking is pretty useful though

fossil furnace
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I don't know anything about good builds though

tepid plover
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thats the one thing i dislike about hades, you have way too much freedom, and you can literally push the same build consistently, so yeah having a build in mind goes a long way in pushing heat

harsh scroll
mint coral
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From there you can look at the boon index to what you can add

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A duo or what not

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Or static discharge for zeus

tepid plover
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i aint taking discharge from zeus

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gross

mint coral
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Cast builds are similar
Grab whatever cast you want and check any possible duos

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And focus on casts/cast dmg from chaos/Charon wells

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But yeah if you wanna ball for builds you can start purse/shackle/tidal dash then build accordingly

tepid plover
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i do purse>persephone>then spearpoint on styx

harsh scroll
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What would Persephone's stat curse be if she could offer boons

tepid plover
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some sort of wither for a mix of slowing+dmg over time

harsh scroll
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So Dem+Dio

mint coral
harsh scroll
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But seriously now what would it do

tepid plover
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i was serious

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either wither for a debuff, or blossoming for some buff like dmg amp

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Your special plants a seed that increased your dmg dealt and mov speed when you strike the target

harsh scroll
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Hold on keep cooking

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What about effects that seed the enemy and every second it drains a bit of health to yourself

mint coral
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Nooo don't add life steal

harsh scroll
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Or plant seeds on the spot and picking them up grants some sort of buff

tepid plover
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Yeah somethign like that, or the seed spreads to nearby enemy, you can stack the dmg amp up to 3

mint coral
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Sgg is gonna make them get you a -70% hp reduction or something bouldy

tepid plover
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😭😭😭😭

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Not necessarily like lifesteal, but maybe heal 1 or 2 hp on enemy death

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That's pretty strong

dusk willow
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Hey, am i dealing more dmg when the enemie has 3 bloodstones or is 1 enough?

mint coral
dusk willow
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Thank you

deft canyon
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Top scary Moment

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Hearing the unseen ones

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With

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"I ... AM ... NOT DONE"

fossil furnace
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was just in the house of Hades and I caught the man himself seemingly doing what I assume to be determining where Shades might spend their afterlife

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Like, there was a line of shades just pleading their case to him, I love this kind of little stuff to make the world feel alive

fossil furnace
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Trying to do heat 10 for the spear

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I tried EM4 and Hades whooped my ass

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I had 3 defiances left going into the fight and he still killed me

indigo badge
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yeah there's a reason em4 is worth 4 heat

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it's the highest amount you get from a single modification

fossil furnace
#

Would it be better for me to find that 4 heat elsewhere?

indigo badge
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yes

mint coral
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I'd do em3/MM/BP1

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Or HL2/UC

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Idk how comfortable you are with timer

fossil furnace
#

I can probably handle TD2

mint coral
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Could do em3/td2 then a random 1 heat

fossil furnace
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Just set my PB time of 14 minutes on 9 heat

lavish sorrel
#

you can definitely handle td2

mint coral
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That's enough for td3 lol

lavish sorrel
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^

fossil furnace
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Isn't TD3 more than 10 heat if I combine it with EM3

mint coral
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If you can clear it you can repeat it till the heat catches up

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So you can clear 10/11/12 with the same pact

fossil furnace
#

Wait, going more than 1 above my personal best heat can give me all the rewards?

mint coral
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It gives you the lowest available

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So clearing this pact (12 heat) will give you the bounties of 10 heat

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Then next run 11 heat bounties then 12 heat

fossil furnace
#

But earlier I did 0 heat on the rail and it didn't count until I cleared that, even though I had done higher heats than that before

mint coral
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0 heat is the exception

fossil furnace
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I see

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So just EM3 and TD3 and I should be good?

mint coral
mint coral
fossil furnace
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Alrighty

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I'll try it later, for now I gotta do chores

torn sinew
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i love stealing from charon with level 1 guan yu with no hp upgrades in tartarus

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wow i only lost 1 dd soemhow

fossil furnace
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Okay I tried TD3, it went swimmingly

agile leaf
#

im trying to get a few runs in, but my game isnt registering my controller. t works fine with other games (specifically RL), but when iboot up hades it refuses to work. any ideas/workarounds?

fossil furnace
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I want to try 16 heat now, so I can unlock the second statue

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My PB is 12 heat with EM3 and TD3

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I was wondering if I should just do EM4 or something else

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But I'm not particularly used to Hades's third phase

rustic vale
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EM4 is unnecessarily hard for 16 heat

fossil furnace
#

What should I be looking at then

summer hazel
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EM4 is a huge build check. Unless you have "a good build" you literally can't do enough DPS. Unless maybe you have practiced it a lot and can get in a bunch of hits safely.

mint coral
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Mix between MM/BP1/UC @fossil furnace

fossil furnace
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I don't like UC very much

mint coral
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Are you using dark foresight

fossil furnace
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yes, why?

mint coral
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Just in case

fossil furnace
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ok wow

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I just did Heat 16 on my first try

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oh god final statue is Heat 32

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I'm scared

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I wanna take a stab at it now

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But 32 is a big number... what even do I run?

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Should I finally take EM4, then?

rustic vale
rustic vale
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High heat strategies has a heat guide pinned for which heats to take, and it also has a guide for general 32 heat tips

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Building tips for each aspect/weapon, gameplay tips, building tips

fossil furnace
#

I wanna try EM4 anyways, I can get to Hades outside with like 5+ minutes on the timer if I get lucky with finding the sack

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It's just a matter of actually winning the hard fight

rustic vale
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The odds of a 2 sack are like 54% anyways

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And a 3 sack are 20 something

rustic vale
fossil furnace
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Okay

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Let me get myself some food and then I'll look at it

fossil furnace
errant sinew
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decided to play again since ive been playing hades 2 a lot recently. played to the epilogue way back when but made a new hell mode profile and just played a quick 10 runs, which is what it took me to win one with the forced heat 5

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kinda weird adjusting back from 2 to having fewer of the weapons have charged attacks

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idk if its the untoggleable tougher enemies or what but jeez enemies can be damage sponges

fossil furnace
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I want to take it anyways, feels weird taking on the highest difficulty the game expects me to clear and then just not making the final boss a worthy challenge

rustic vale
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I do think em4 is worse

fossil furnace
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Damn

rustic vale
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wait

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I slipped

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I meant ap2 is worse

fossil furnace
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Oh

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I don't mind throwing a few more attempts at this than I'm used to

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I feel like having a losing streak right about now anyways

rustic vale
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it’s a doable shift but I’d hardly expect you to knock it out first try

fossil furnace
#

Maybe I'll get lucky lol

errant sinew
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hes not hard but unupgraded aspects and barely any metaprogression makes fighting him take like ten minutes

fossil furnace
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Actually I've been talked out of it

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I might try a heat value in the 20s first

rustic vale
errant sinew
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like my ability to do basic pattern recognition allows me to hide behind a pillar but that stupid blond boy only shows his back for fifty milliseconds and he has a shield

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i dont have a time limit ingame but, im going to die someday.

fossil furnace
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ngl, I think Thesus with EM3 is easier in a vacuum, his chariot doesn't block attacks like his shield does and his attacks are debatably easier to dodge, and I think he has less health in his second phase than he does by default

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But of course, Asterius exists

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Asterius carries the difficulty of EM3

errant sinew
#

honestly normal theseus and asterius are extremely easy to beat damageless with any weapon that isnt base sword as long as you arent on a time limit, its just a matter of not falling asleep and getting hit by asterius phase 2 or forgetting theseus exists while dealing with asterius first

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its just annoying how much hp they have

fossil furnace
#

How much extra HP does Hell Mode give them?

errant sinew
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if i am correct about how pact works and applies to bosses, you cannot disable them having +20% hp

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every enemy has +20% hp enabled forever since the run where the game begins with narration before you enter the house the first time

rustic vale
errant sinew
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15% then mb

rustic vale
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It’s still annoy as hell though like

errant sinew
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which is horrible because …+15% hp on everything when you have NO DAMAGE and NO METAPROGRESSION

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is like

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one of the worst pacts actually

rustic vale
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Well yeah it just is one of the worst pacts under normal circumstances too

errant sinew
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like to make a worse one on theyd have to be actively thinking “lmao lets force them to have on ap”

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it basically makes it so that if you get a winning run relatively early on its gonna take at least 45m and you just cant go faster unless you actually happened to roll a perfect build that has broken damage

latent moon
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realistically, all hell mode does is slow down early game progression

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technically late game as well but by then the assumption is that you're good enough at the game where the hell mode pacts don't really bother you

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hell mode fresh file runs tho, that's where it actually matters lmfao

errant sinew
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because while the first two bosses are fine, the regular enemies in asphodel take forever to kill and it takes as long or longer after that depending on how your build develops

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it just makes runs. slow

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if you know what youre doing its not that horrible but its just so damn slow

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regular bomb skeleton enemies just take forever to kill with barely any mirror progression and certain unupgraded base aspects

latent moon
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it's more inconvenient than hell lmao

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inconvenient mode

errant sinew
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its hell because im thinking about my actual real life mortality as i play

latent moon
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it's hell mode for fresh file runs tho but that's about it

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lmfao fair

errant sinew
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im gonna die someday and theseus is immortal

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who will die first?

granite steppe
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finally freaking unlocked the hidden fist aspect

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only took like 90+ runs sobbing_tomato

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i also just played out of my freaking mind, i had 9 hp left and went 4 encounters hitless to preserve my death defiance, the last of which was theseus

fossil furnace
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okay, I'm making progress

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16 to 24 took 3 attempts

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I cleared 28 on my first attempt after that

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What's funny to me was, Meg, Asterius, and Hades were actually commenting on how much Heat I pumped into that run

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I can't find any reference of this on the wiki

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Alright, I think I'm within striking distance of Heat 32

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I want to do EM 4 though

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Not because it's what I think is easiest, just because I want to honor my first 32 clear with an appropriate climax

mint coral
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have fun

fossil furnace
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oh I will

placid coral
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I just won a shackled run (aka no attack special or cast boons)

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nobody told me spread fire was a LITERAL SHOTGUN

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I LOVE SHOTGUN

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also 2 chaos curses at once goes hard

tepid plover
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In h1, I only ever had 2 at once, h2 let me get 3, peak gaming

placid coral
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if I restart and pick a new aspect

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do I get the same hammers?

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update:

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no

granite steppe
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fought charon in tartarus, ended up beating him with 9 hp and no death defiances left, somehow managed to make my way up to patrocles and get all them back illbelieveit

placid coral
#

I love Patrocles

granite steppe
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patrocles is the true homie

fossil furnace
#

Can someone help me come up with a better strategy for Heat 32

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I wanna clear this and then never touch the pact ever again

stiff obsidian
fossil furnace
#

Huh

final hinge
fossil furnace
final hinge
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ah nice

rustic vale
placid coral
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is that what you're named after?

rustic vale
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Yeah

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I think like ~10% of my successful attempts overall have been done with shackle under those conditions

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25/270 or something

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at least one with every aspect

placid coral
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it's pretty interesting

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harder to build off of

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especially w/o 3 stars

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also I saw that pizza guy on yt and gave me some kinda whiplash

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like on a comment

rustic vale
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Who?

placid coral
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I don't remember the exact name

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but they have a hollow knight pfp

rustic vale
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Is this like a common Hades video commenter or something

placid coral
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no they're in discord

latent moon
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oh alex

placid coral
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I knew them from discord and saw them on a 64 heat run

latent moon
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@lavish sorrel cameo

rustic vale
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OH

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I didn’t connect the dots

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I love Alex

latent moon
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i mean hollow knight felt like a dead giveaway lmao

rustic vale
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Idk a lot of roguelite players play hollow knight

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It’s like

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crazy

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I don’t see the connection between the games but I see it all the time

indigo badge
latent moon
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fair

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oh god dammit there's another hollow night pfp

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i hate it here

rustic vale
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See

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I’m right

indigo badge
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pffft

rustic vale
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I’ve never been wrong in my life

indigo badge
placid coral
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you mentioned catching a sturgeon

indigo badge
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yeah that comment kinda blew up lol

placid coral
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it just happens sometimes lol

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(hasn't happened to me yet)

indigo badge
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it was also that i caught the video early when it didn't have a lot of views yet

placid coral
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fair

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Wonder how wide the bridge between hades and other games would be

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like

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Who here plays X game yk?

indigo badge
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I've seen a good bunch of isaac players in h2 discussion

rustic vale
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I think there’s generally a lot of crossovers between roguelites

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Which makes sense

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And then beyond that indie games do a lot of crossovers for playerbases too

placid coral
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I wonder if anyone else plays wynncraft

latent moon
tepid plover
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The beheaded is in like 5 games at this point

tepid plover
dusk willow
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Hey, how do i can get more than 5 stacks of poison?

latent moon
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low tolerance duo boon, dionysus + aphrodite

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weak enemies get +3 more stacks of hangover

dusk willow
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Ah i see, thank you 👀

placid coral
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whats the most hangover dps anyones ever gotten?

lavish sorrel
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I don't think that's an interesting question because it just devolves into play eris, get hyper sprint, get rd, and then buy all the ignited ichors in the world, discounting potential duos one could get or other usual sources of global scaling

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with enough ichors you can get all of the damage you'd ever want or need

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also keep in mind that hangover damage on an enemy depends on the last applied source of hangover on that enemy, meaning that if you want to maximize hangover damage then you need to have only a dionysus call as a source of hangover

mint coral
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Wouldn't it involve that weird bug with peer pressure

unkempt plank
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quick small easy question

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why is thanatos so hot

tepid plover
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Why is everyone hot

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They even got asterius for those into that sort of stuff

unkempt plank
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||Shes adorable not hot||

tepid plover
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Speak for yourself

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Ok i apologize

unkempt plank
#

bouldy the real hottest character tho

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bouldy D goat

tepid plover
dusk willow
#

Do i just need to kill the final boss 9 times to get the ending or have i do something else too?

indigo badge
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but there's an epilogue that needs you to unlock 6 of olympians' last hearts

dusk willow
#

Alright, thank you 👀

autumn creek
#

Man. Escape attempt 16, consistently making it out of Elysium but dying either in the Styx or to Hades himself

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I think that last attempt was killed by an unfortunately timed Chaos Boon, making me throw away a Defiance on the Bone Hydra 😭

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I started off so strong, too! Barely took any damage in Tartarus or in Asphodel until the boss lol

boreal belfry
#

How come H1 is only on IOS and not Android?

indigo badge
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it's only on ios and available through netflix, you may as well just buy it on pc

fossil furnace
#

The fact that Hades has a mobile port at all is crazy

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That it's limited to Netflix iOS is even more so

unkempt plank
autumn creek
#

Fists, Aspect of Demeter

unkempt plank
queen dome
#

If anyones missing lord hades, zagreus, or Zeus in steam trading cards im selling them so i can get my last 4 cents for Witcher 3

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I wouldnt ask if i wouldnt need

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I would sell all my items for 1 cent so i get the last 4 cents if i could lmao

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Steam guard just wont let me

patent flume
#

Starting the download

stiff obsidian
#

dont leave us hanging

unkempt plank
#

yall im doing so much trading😭😭😭

#

i went from 1 max bond to 4 today

granite steppe
#

Demeter's legendary boon is the last one I need for the prophecy, what's a good weapon to use her for and what other boons should go along with it?

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@rustic vale

winter scarab
granite steppe
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I like multitasking, ideally I'd use a weapon that I still need some hammers for

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It's more efficient

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I like knowing what boons synergize with others

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Screw it, I'm gonna do enkidu fists with demeter boons

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I'll just do it without heat

rustic vale
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Honestly if you’re trying to use dem in a build the only real conventional build that does is crush shot hera for snow burst

granite steppe
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Oof

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Alright, maybe if I still need more of her after this

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Hopefully I don't though

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She's the worst out of the bunch, right?

rustic vale
granite steppe
#

But?

rustic vale
#

You need ravenous will, arctic blast or killing freeze for dem’s legendary so

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Given Hera is bow you might as well take her strike boon, then snow burst if it comes up otherwise ravenous will > killing freeze > arctic blast

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rare crop is also a good option if none of the above pop up

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If you find posiedon just take tidal dash

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Ares, Artemis, Dio and Poseidon are all good 3rd and 4th god options here because they can’t open duos with demeter, increasing your odds of finding Winter Harvest

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(Or phrased another way, zeus and athena can massively get in the way of you finding Dem’s legendary)

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For this build anyways

sharp jasper
#

Anyone know of some good variety streamers who played Hades? I only saw a couple, and they both tried to get the exact same build every run, and then claimed the game is repetitive. I don't want to say they were playing the game wrong... but I can't find how that can be enjoyable

rustic vale
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There are a few who are in the speedrun discord but they’re not too consistent (at least about posting that they’re streaming)

sharp jasper
#

Yeah, I just wanted to check out some VODs, since I was curious how non-roguelike players fair

rustic vale
fervent radish
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I mean, speed runners are gonna be aiming for the same build as well

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Same type of build atleast

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The gameplay will be better though

rustic vale
sharp jasper
rustic vale
#

Goodness

sharp jasper
#

He just... took the same Zeus keepsake every run, to get the Zeus dash, and tried to get cursed slash. And that every run for a 6 hour stream

rustic vale
#

6 hours? holy

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Qlso

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Also

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Zeus dash on sword lmao

fervent radish
#

Funny

rustic vale
#

Of all weapons and they chose the only one where it’s bugged

sharp jasper
#

I don't think he even unlocked the bow, since he said he doesn't like ranged weapons?

rustic vale
#

you can’t unlock the rest without unlocking bow 💀

sharp jasper
#

I hope more streamers play Hades 2 once it's finished, in a healthy manner

sharp jasper
rustic vale
#

You have to unlock them in a set order if I’m not misremembering the start of the game

rustic vale
sharp jasper
#

Again, I don't dictate how other people derive their fun, I just don't understand how someone doesn't try different builds in a roguelike

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The second streamer I found also exclusively used bull rush builds. Like he beat Hades once, then just said "if this build worked the first time, it'll work again"

rustic vale
#

Gigabrained grindsets from both of them

sharp jasper
#

Well neither of them got to the credits, because they felt the game was repetitive

rustic vale
#

I understand doing a handful of runs just to get the build you’re aiming for to properly come together but to just repetitively hit your head against the wall the same way

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“Game is too repetitive” > is literally choosing to play it repetitively

fervent radish
sharp jasper
#

But they only used one aspect thoigh

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I think the one guy exclusively used zag shield for a 4 hour stream

fervent radish
#

I think I would have an issue with that mostly because thunder dash on sword is an ineffective build, not because they tried to get the build over and over again

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It’s normal to just keep trying what seems to work

rustic vale
#

I think it’s kinda crazy cuz that portion of the game is like the prime time for experimentation

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But sticking with what works is understandable

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only problem is thunder dash sword with cursed slash is uber disfunctional

fervent radish
#

It’s antifunctional

fossil furnace
#

Is Aspect of Hera any good

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for the bow

sharp jasper
#

Put the Aphrodite cast on it and watch it destroy enemies

copper sedge
#

Rush Kick is great

copper sedge
#

Speaking of Rush, if a call makes you move faster, does Rush Delivery boost its power?

fossil furnace
#

Can someone explain Hades' keepsake to me

#

Invisibility sounds like it just makes it so enemies can't target you, but someone gave me the impression that it does more than that?

mint coral
fossil furnace
#

oh damn

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That sounds useful

mint coral
#

Also allows you to stalk doing darkness so time save for Speedrun

placid coral
rustic vale
fossil furnace
#

What exactly is so useful about it

#

Granted, I don't like any of the bow aspects, I'm not very fond of the bow in general because I suck at the power shot timing

rustic vale
#

Like

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Your casts just pop out with your strikes

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It’s more damage, and gives you a bunch of ways to scale your damage because your casting and striking are attached to the same action

rustic vale
#

It helps a ton but bow is strong just baseline

fossil furnace
rustic vale
#

Cuz

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Standing strikes are so abysmal on bow

fossil furnace
#

Dash attacks on bow feel even more clunky than normal attacks

#

Sometimes when I try to fire again after a dash attack, it just doesn't load an arrow

final hinge
#

dash + powershot shadesmile

rustic vale
#

Dash strikes are just faster standing strikes on bow, it’s a tad odd to hear them considered clunkier

rustic vale
fossil furnace
#

Either that or trying to chain dash strikes

rustic vale
#

Chaining dash strikes should be seamless

fossil furnace
#

After I'm done with the run I'm on, I'll try to record it to show you

cinder tartan
#

quick question about the yarn of ariadne. if i have two, will both of them be used on the next boon (making the extra one useless) or will it mean the next two boons i obtain are upgraded?

rustic vale
#

This also works the same way with refreshing nectar from Eurydice

fossil furnace
rustic vale
#

You just need the practical experience in combat

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you can also hold it just a teeny bit longer than you think you need to if you want to powershot consistently (if I’m eyeballing the timing correct)

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you hit it more often than you didn’t which is solid

fossil furnace
#

okay, I'll try it the next time I use the bow

#

For now, I wanna try a sword aspect

#

which one is the best? In low heat

rustic vale
#

Nemesis

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Zagreus’s bonus doesn’t really vibe with the majority of sword gameplay being dash striking

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and poseidon doesn’t really offer enough compared to nemesis

harsh scroll
#

Aspect of Zagreus Stygius tutorial:

  1. Flurry Slash
  2. Cursed Slash
fossil furnace
#

Is there anything to say about Arthur? It feels kinda slow to me but I've heard people say it's not bad

rustic vale
#

Um

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It exists

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People find it fun

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If you’re not going to use nemesis you might as well use arthur because your other options are bootleg nemesis and bootleg nemesis

fossil furnace
#

I don't mind using Nemesis, it's just that it's the only sword aspect I don't have maxed yet

harsh scroll
#

Poseidon is Nemesis for casts and Zagreus is... Zagreus

fossil furnace
#

It's at level 3

rustic vale
fossil furnace
#

I see

harsh scroll
#

How much does Heart Rend partake in Nemesis gameplay btw

fossil furnace
#

Should I take Artemis keepsake to lean more into crits?

rustic vale
#

Generally nemesis is more consistent if you take aphrodite to start off

woeful nymph
#

I think Poseidon sword is fun. Zeus cast or poseidon cast and then try to get extra casts and exit wounds. It's not the strongest but it's always fun

rustic vale
#

The crit rate nemesis offers is strong as is, but having the consistent, strong boost to all your damage from aphrodite is generally better than taking a lot of regular strikes to kill normal enemies

harsh scroll
woeful nymph
rustic vale
#

It’s nicer to have to consistent damage from aphrodite and the higher crits than more common crits and lower consistent damage

rustic vale
woeful nymph
#

heh I agree. I just like seeing those big numbers

rustic vale
woeful nymph
#

I actually feel dumb for never considering Aphro attack on Nemesis. I cleared 32 heat with it, but I used Artemis attack

rustic vale
#

You’re gambling harder because you’re critting less often for higher damage numbers

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Artemis strike can be better if you hit a ton of chaos additive

harsh scroll
#

Since we're talking about Zeus cast... Zeus leaves much to be desired from the so-called king of the olympians

rustic vale
#

Wdym

#

like

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in general? Or specifically about his cast

woeful nymph
#

Zeus cast itself is super strong in Tartarus for clearing out heaps of skulls. Doesn't scale well for the other biomes unless you get a bunch more Zeus stuff like jolted, the extra bounces, and the legendary

harsh scroll
#

In general. His attack only works in 2 weapons at best, special probably on his aspect only, cast isn't really good unless you're on a stream of skulls...

#

Call is fine tho and so is dash

mint coral
#

Call is more than fine

harsh scroll
#

Feels like Zeus's purpose in a run is to spam Jolted

rustic vale
#

His call is more than fine and the arguements about the strike and special just seems really weird if you look at literally any other god

woeful nymph
rustic vale
#

Most of the other gods are putting up the same numbers for core usage on builds

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And zeus is easily one of the most splashable on builds that don’t primarily take him

harsh scroll
#

Idk man I don't think the strongest character lorewise should be a more of a support

rustic vale
harsh scroll
#

Zeus gets running with like 2 or 3 tier 2 boons or call while Aphrodite for example is heavenly by simply getting an epic strike

rustic vale
#

Zeus literally just needs jolted

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“2 or 3 tier 2 boons” is a stretch

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and status curse boons are prioritised by the game when they roll boons so you are more likely to see jolted than any other t2

rustic vale
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Like

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I think flat damage from calling down lightning does just fit the whole vibes right but you obviously can’t overtune the flat damage lest rail go bonkers

harsh scroll
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Hard to say. Would mention the internal cooldowns but that'd just break the game instead

woeful nymph
harsh scroll
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Always felt it weird to have cooldowns for abilities that work best when spammed but let balancement be a thing

rustic vale
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I mean the cooldowns on zeus strike are like

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exactly enough for rail if they don’t have a little leeway

winter scarab
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Zeus cooldowns are pretty unimpactful and properly balanced imo

harsh scroll
rustic vale
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Zeus strike works on fists and spear too

harsh scroll
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Other weapons would only use it on Tartarus due to the skull streams and then let Customs consume it

rustic vale
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that’s just not true

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Spear makes good use of it and fists does if you don’t think about merciful end opportunity costing the hell out of it

fervent radish
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zeus strike works on a lot more stuff

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decent on sword too

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and shield

harsh scroll
rustic vale
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…achilles and zag spear make excellent use of it

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I hadn’t even considered guan-yu when I sent the message

harsh scroll
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Achilles and Zag? Aren't those special oriented

fervent radish
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nah

harsh scroll
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Does Achilles even affect the chain lightning

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Genuine questions

fervent radish
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both really like flurry jab, which is fast enough to take advantage of the lightning

fervent radish
rustic vale
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which is one of the two best cast builds for achilles

harsh scroll
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Achilles builds have hardwired me into not seeing anything outside of cast spamming

rustic vale
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Both primary cast builds on achilles hunt for flurry jab and strike at points

fervent radish
unkempt plank
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yall im looking a guan yu… how bad is it…

harsh scroll
fossil furnace
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It has?

unkempt plank
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i mean i technically have 0 heat open for spear if its that bad💀 cause ive heard really bad and good things about it

unkempt plank
harsh scroll
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Don't know. I think Shackle and the Aspect person know it

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Max heat is virtually impossible to play with a set build tho

rustic vale
fossil furnace
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I thought only Rama bow and Zeus shield have ever done it

rustic vale
rustic vale
fossil furnace
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Where can I see them?

rustic vale
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I’ll find the spreadsheet again

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This might take me a little while thou

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Wait

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I’m crazu

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It hasn’t done it unmodded why did I think it had

copper sedge
unkempt plank
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lowkey the redacted aspects made me enjoy certian weapons way more

rustic vale
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Oh there’s a second zeus shield submission

unkempt plank
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Gilgamesh my beloved😭😭😭

harsh scroll
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Gilgamesh is the worst fist aspect btw

unkempt plank
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my current favorite weapon by a long shot

unkempt plank
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i forgot bout that

rustic vale
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So you can see the build there

harsh scroll
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People will really get mad when fun doesn't match with effectiveness

rustic vale
unkempt plank
rustic vale
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oh

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Multiple links too fast

unkempt plank
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its still pretty alright

copper sedge
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am I crazy or do legendary and duo boons show up just fine without Gods' Legacy?

fossil furnace
rustic vale
mint coral
copper sedge
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Gods' Pride it is

mint coral
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the rarity of legendaries is more finding all the pre reqs than the chance itself

winter scarab
copper sedge
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because Pride does make a massive difference

rustic vale
winter scarab
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20% epic is consistent across the board

fossil furnace
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oh I see

mint coral
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20% epic also works for hermes's funny 3% chance for epics

rustic vale
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12% odds for regular rooms make it a bit higher than that

mint coral
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and everyone knows how insane good rarity on hermes is

fossil furnace
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So, Guan Yu and Eris have both made it to max heat before?

rustic vale
copper sedge
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Epic Swift Strike Flurry Slash Cursed Blade my beloved

winter scarab
fossil furnace
rustic vale
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Which really just removes a bunch of run rng but ywah

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The videos are linked to each submission

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So you can watch them

copper sedge
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are Demeter and Eurydice my best bets at getting a heroic boon?

unkempt plank
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what does Mac mean???

rustic vale
rustic vale
unkempt plank
rustic vale
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On the mac version of Hades Guan-Yu has a glitch with Athena strike where spinning clears the entire screen of projectiles

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or reflects them all

unkempt plank
rustic vale
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Hence why there is a mac glitch submission and a glitchless submission from playad

unkempt plank
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im between a few Guan Yu builds i wanna try then

fervent radish
unkempt plank
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Aphrodite Flourish, Athena Flourish, and a sea storm build

rustic vale
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The builds you use at 64 heat just change to fit ap2 and ri4 no?

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So you can consistently get them