h1-discussion

[fervent radish]

It’s ok I don’t have it down either

[rustic vale]

There aren’t bad options on rail like other weapons

[unborn cosmos]

also is it just me or is the shotgun thing for the rail INSANE for dmg compared to normal

[fervent radish]

It’s fine, just a different build path

Eris works best for this kind of flat damage build

[unborn cosmos]

okay then im doing smth wrong lol, because trying to use it normally its meh but the one run i picked up the shotgun i was instantly killing every single room in 2 seconds

[fervent radish]

[unborn cosmos]

lmfao

[mint coral]

Get dyno'd

[rustic vale]

I would recommend just using dash strikes on bow unless you want to go high high heat or uber speedrunning

[fervent radish]

Hestia starts tidal dash and builds into the empowered shot with a % boost

[rustic vale]

I realised I hadn’t properly replied to the message

[unborn cosmos]

got it

[blissful sorrel]

Im not planning to speed run or do high heat
Currently im just progressing in the heat levels trying to do all the side quests now i have completed the epilogue (currently between heat 6 and 7)
Thank you for the build!

[unborn cosmos]

oh also is there considered best options for the mirror or is it just pref

[rustic vale]

By high high heat I meant like 50-55+

[rustic vale]

There are best options

[unborn cosmos]

for normal play not speedrunnning

[rustic vale]

For all but 3 or 4 upgrades

Even for normal play

[unborn cosmos]

👀

[rustic vale]

dark foresight just gives you 2 trillion more things

[blissful sorrel]

That level of heat sounds terrifying lol

[rustic vale]

And for casual play death defiance is a shoe-in

[rustic vale]

Getting up to 40 heat isn’t too too bad

[fervent radish]

If you ask for the best options, you’re going to get them within the context of speedrunning since anything can work casually

[fervent radish]

It’s not that bad

[rustic vale]

I think 32 heat is the best most casual players will get up to

[fervent radish]

60+ gets terrifying depending on the aspect

40 can be done by most people on a shield imo

[unborn cosmos]

which one is dark foresight again, sorry im doing a run rn lol

[fervent radish]

My friend jumped from 6 to 32 on Zeus to be funny

[blissful sorrel]

I mean i couldn’t even beat hades once without already having the 80% resistance god mode if that gives any context to what level i have when it comes to this game
I may suck at it but it’s still really fun

[fervent radish]

I will say that the game is still relatively reasonable at 50

[rustic vale]

Green version of the 3rd lowest mirror upgrade

[fervent radish]

It’s really tough but still reasonable

[unborn cosmos]

me sitting here on heat 3

[rustic vale]

See

[unborn cosmos]

im just going with whatever the lowest amount that will still get me bounties is

[rustic vale]

I put in enough work to get to 40 heat and at that point I looked at the rest of the options remaining and went “nah”

It was less about difficulty at that point and more about the options remaining to push it higher just looking annoying

[blissful sorrel]

Thats what i have been doing
Going one level of heat up at a time with all 6 of the weapon classes before moving up the next heat

[unborn cosmos]

im just tryna rizz up meg and death lmao

[blissful sorrel]

You can also apparently date dusa the gorgon?

[rustic vale]

You can’t really

Not in the same fashion

[digital pond]

a question about the profecy "war-god's bloodlust" do i have to slay 10k after getting he quest or are previous kills counte

[rustic vale]

Previous kills are counted

[blissful sorrel]

Thats honestly a relief lol

[rustic vale]

If you don’t mind spoilers ||you kinda end up friendzoned||

[digital pond]

what do i have to do for it to work since i got 27k total but it doesn't show its done

just a run reset ?

[rustic vale]

hmm

[blissful sorrel]

Honestly thats the best outcome i could have hoped for, i really did not want to date the floating snake head

[rustic vale]

I’m fairly certain it’s not new kills

I didn’t know you could get it that late

[digital pond]

oooh wait no prob im dumb

it says slay 10k and go tell ares

[blissful sorrel]

I mean i didn’t get the bloodlust prophecy until i was handing out the invitations to the gods for the underworld party

[digital pond]

i mean i just never gave nectar to the gods : D

[rustic vale]

That does specifically solve his favour

[unborn cosmos]

damnit 😔

[rustic vale]

So it makes sense for it to be gated to when you either max his hearts or get into the epilogue

[unborn cosmos]

hades still consistently gives me a run for my money

[rustic vale]

epilogue whoops

[glacial bolt]

is Horaing Slash affected by literally anything

[blissful sorrel]

Yeah i have to have at least 2 death defiance unused just for him
The dead dad does not play around

[rustic vale]

It’s one of two damage sources in game classified as “extra damage” and added after all other damage calculations

😁

[glacial bolt]

whats the other

[unborn cosmos]

okay is there a pic or something with all the best mirror options

[rustic vale]

the other one is the flat 40 merciful end adds to doom

[mint coral]

The bonus dmg from merciful wnd

[glacial bolt]

aaah

[mint coral]

#h1-for-new-players pinned messages

Refer to the text guide btw

[glacial bolt]

well, i enter Elysium with 1700$

is this a good amount

[rustic vale]

I was about to ask what the hell you were doing with that much but

Realised you just asked about hoarding slash

[rustic vale]

Eh

Not really

[fervent radish]

To spend yeah

[rustic vale]

You’re looking at 1/2 or 1/3 of what you realistically can get

If you are obol maxing for say the January 2022 monthly challenge

[unborn cosmos]

ty for the help btw everyone

appreciate it :)

[mint coral]

Have fun killing your dad

[unborn cosmos]

oh also i assume the A -> S on the aspect leveling is the tier

like how good it is

sorry F-S

[mint coral]

Yeah

Or more like, the power you can expect from the aspect at each lvl

[unborn cosmos]

oh and also is there a keepsake tierlist or just use whatever you think is useful

[rustic vale]

There is somewhere but it’s less of a “F-S”’ tier and more of like “yeah you’ll end up using this for this” esque iirc

[unborn cosmos]

got it got it

[rustic vale]

god keepsakes for tartarus and apshodel

utility like hourglass or purse for elysium

defence like acorn for styx

[unborn cosmos]

oh and also correct me if im wrong, but are dash attacks and normal attacks kinda a square and rectangle situation

[rustic vale]

what

[unborn cosmos]

because it seems like things that change my attack also change my dash attack

[rustic vale]

yes

for the most part

[unborn cosmos]

but obv dash attack specific things dont change normal attacks

[mint coral]

The only exceptions are a few hammers + hermes attack speed iirc

[rustic vale]

Not all attack hammers will boost dash strikes but a solid 95% of them will

All strike boons apply to dashstrikes

[mint coral]

Also I think is only sword hammers(?)

[rustic vale]

Well

[mint coral]

Nvm

[rustic vale]

If a hammer specifically changes the strike like the spear ones

they won’t apply to the dash strike

Triple and extending only apply to standing

[unborn cosmos]

its honestly insane how much better aspect of achillies is for the spear lmaoo

[rustic vale]

mhm

[mint coral]

Banana spear

Also kills my wrists

[rustic vale]

Kind of like the nemesis situation but more extreme

[unborn cosmos]

also is flat damage reduction good? i feel like 5% or 10% isnt that useful but idk

the huh situation

[rustic vale]

damage reduction is all multiplicative

[unborn cosmos]

but id need multiple sources of it?

[mint coral]

Nem sword vs the other aspects

[unborn cosmos]

ahhh

[rustic vale]

There are a few really good sources of damage reduction

And there are bad ones

Weak and hyper sprint are both 30% dr and they effectively give you 51% damage reduction when used in tandem

so you figuratively double your hp

and like a 10% dr is like an 11% max hp boost

[mint coral]

Aphro's weak also has the one additive extra dmg resistance

[rustic vale]

True broke resolve my beloved

Broken resolve can single handedly make your weaken do like 45% dr at epic rarity which almost doubles your EHP

[unborn cosmos]

oh btw for "on recovery" things for spears, does dashing to it count as recovery or only the pulling it back to you thing

[rustic vale]

just pulling it back

there’s only a single hammer that cares iirc

[glacial bolt]

3005 gold styngs

Well, thats... 150 damage?

[rustic vale]

3000 obols is pretty solid for hoarding

Ofc you have to suffer the opportunity cost of not just

using your obols

[glacial bolt]

Lost 245 orbs, gotta buy a revive and a heal

sad times

how much damage is that? 5?

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Swimming in Cash

Athenas call carried this run

never let anyone say otherwise

[stiff obsidian]

otherwise

[unborn cosmos]

question, the guide reccomends using gods pride instead of legacy, why? are legendarys not better?

[stiff obsidian]

no

[unborn cosmos]

is it because legendarys are seperate from the rest of the boons which are just tiers

[mint coral]

Not really

[stiff obsidian]

legendaries arent so great

[unborn cosmos]

it goes common - rare - epic - heroic right

and then legandaries are seperate

[mint coral]

Correct

[stiff obsidian]

99% of the time regular boons make up your builds

[mint coral]

Most legendaries are meh tbh, and take a lot of set up to even unlock

Pride benefits a lot and especially hermes/chaos who really enjoy the rarity

[unborn cosmos]

how does boon scaling work btw? idk if thats the right term but i definitely get better boons as the run progresses

do you need to keep using the same persons? or does that not matter

[mint coral]

Nothing like that but you may be stacking rarity increases

[fervent radish]

That’s not really the case inherently

[mint coral]

Stuff like minibosses have better chances for rares/epics

[unborn cosmos]

really? i swear im getting like all epics by the end of a run

[fervent radish]

You don’t stack rarity passively or anything

[unborn cosmos]

wierd

[fervent radish]

Confirmation bias is very strong when you’re trying to understand how the game works for the first time so don’t blame yourself or feel dumb

[unborn cosmos]

😔

[copper sedge]

Crystal Clarity is strong

[rustic vale]

It more makes demeter’s cast usable

[unborn cosmos]

not a speedrunner but got a 25:52

pb so far

just like playing normally idk

[rustic vale]

that seems like a pretty reasonable time for someone who hasn’t really started pushing heat too much

[unborn cosmos]

that was 3 heat

[rustic vale]

Yeah

That

falls into “hasn’t really been pushing heat that much”

[unborn cosmos]

right right

[rustic vale]

I think getting 13-16 minute times are pretty reasonable for the higher end of casual gaming

[stiff hatch]

Thanatos 🤤

https://tenor.com/view/hades-hadesgame-hades-thanatos-hadesgame-thanatos-thanatos-gif-12545617468560982878

[copper sedge]

Just how much harder am I making things if I play on mobile?

[stiff obsidian]

a lot

[glacial bolt]

How does Blinding Flash works with Zeus shield

[rustic vale]

Most AOE’s kinda break with backstab

[glacial bolt]

wdym

[mint coral]

Don't work at all

[glacial bolt]

But is Zeus athena an exception or it just showcases the signal but nothing happens

[mint coral]

is it showing the backstab text or just the blinding flash icon

[glacial bolt]

text

[mint coral]

hm

can you notice the dmg difference?

[glacial bolt]

this thing is contantly spinning

so idk lol

[mint coral]

are you sure is backstabbing

I have blinding flash rn and it doesn't work

wait

aight I see the text but enemy was armored

prob gonna check on meg

if it can backstab is a weeeeird hitbox

[winter scarab]

Doesn’t really work

[mint coral]

@fervent radish zeus expert do you know if backstabs actually work with zeus

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[glacial bolt]

also i think its only the first hit?

or is that since its the same hit over and over

idk

[mint coral]

this game is wack sometimes I can't trust everything I see

[glacial bolt]

yeah..

[fervent radish]

Lowkey I don’t know

Damage change is insignificant even if it does

Like 15

[glacial bolt]

Mmmm

[fervent radish]

My gut says that even if it shows the text, it doesn’t increase the damage for some reason

But if you can show math that says otherwise..

[glacial bolt]

look at the video, and the math about its number, it went from 73 to 311 very fast.

[fervent radish]

Did you have fiery or shadow on here

And what % was your blinding flash

[mint coral]

shadow, 132% from special, 10 from krill, 63 flash

[fervent radish]

Damage ticks were:
73
165 + 65 deflect and backstab
238
311

[mint coral]

also enemy was armored so backstab number could have gotten capped

[fervent radish]

Shouldn’t work like that

[mint coral]

huh it doesn't?

[fervent radish]

I mean

From my Rama experience you’d get the whole damage I think

Did you not have family favorites on?

[mint coral]

nope

swapped to priv

[fervent radish]

so assuming no cap, it looks like blinding got added but not shadow

But I can’t be sure, I’ll do some testing later

Maybe it’s a situation like than, where blinding flash can make it backstab

[mint coral]

aight yeah I was thinking the same

[fervent radish]

ok yeah it doesn't backstab on skelly with just shadow

[stiff obsidian]

this is why zeus shield sucks

[fervent radish]

Facts

I bet Chiron and Gilga backstab

[glacial bolt]

I just made a skull backstab lol

with just base special athena

[winter scarab]

I have like 70 clears with gilga but I can’t remember if the special backstabs

[glacial bolt]

special as in normal special, dash+special or dash+special after damage explotion?

those 3 are very different things

[winter scarab]

Any

I’m pretty sure it can

[glacial bolt]

the gigal explotion can backstab

What on gods green earth

[rustic vale]

The gilga what

[winter scarab]

Dash upper thingie

[rustic vale]

The gilga upper and d-upper should be able to backstab

Maim won’t

[stiff obsidian]

why

[rustic vale]

Nobody but Cherry should willingly have that many gilga clears tbh

[glacial bolt]

Explosive return can backstab

[fervent radish]

with blinding maybe

if you're seeing otherwise, i'd like to see video

[glacial bolt]

im doing a blinding run rn lulz so it make sense why the explotion is dealing 90+

[fringe umbra]

won my first run

[tepid light]

congrats!

[glacial bolt]

Arthemis dash bust the Hera's bow cast damage?

[mint coral]

Nope

[zinc trellis]

How long is the time for Rama power shot (and dash power shot)?

[fervent radish]

The charge time?

[zinc trellis]

Yeah

I have a hard time telling when he’s flashing

I know the power shot time on the other bow aspects by rhythm

but Rama has a slower charge

And I haven’t figured it out yet

[fervent radish]

ah yeah

dash striking makes it a lot faster and easier imo

knowing the number of second won’t necessarily help since you’re not going to count in a real fight. Try just power shotting on skelly a bunch

It’s the same kind of timing where you have a narrow window when the shot reaches max range to power shot

[glacial bolt]

Whats the best Crush Shot build? (poseidon)

[fervent radish]

I guess mirage shot idk

Crush shot isn’t really that good outside of Hera

[glacial bolt]

I just did 8k to dad with with backtab

+crict

with poseidon

midn you, it was like, first hit nonesese

[fervent radish]

Yeah not bad damage but the build doesn’t scale too well with heat since it’s dangerous to be that close to a boss

[glacial bolt]

yeah

[glacial bolt]

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[unborn cosmos]

so i know theres an aspect tier list for the top 3, but how do i know where the 4th aspects fit in?

[rustic vale]

Arthur is like A tier for sword (maybe lower), Guan-Yu is A+ for spear (it’s not exactly S but it’s definitely a tier above Hades), Beowulf is S, Rama is S, Gilga is like C tier, and Lucifer is A tier

This is all judging them at max level

[unborn cosmos]

got it, so if theres another one thats S tier then i should just use that

[rustic vale]

Oh what do you mean they rated posiedon as S tier for sword

bruh

I guess that makes Arthur S tier by reference

🗿

[stiff obsidian]

all of them are more than usable

[rustic vale]

Beowulf and Zeus are both a cut above Zag shield it’s a little hard to encapsulate them all in S tier

That’s mainly just due to them all being shields, which is also the reason why Chaos is A at max level instead of like D

[unborn cosmos]

it seems like shield is just really good lol

[rustic vale]

Yes

Some of these rankings are definitely made for Hades for New Players specifically

The main thing chiron has going for it is the low skill floor

[unborn cosmos]

is there a more definitive guide?

[rustic vale]

Eh not really

It’s remarkably good for expressing which aspects give you the most bang for your blood

[stiff obsidian]

guide for what exactly

[unborn cosmos]

weapon aspects

[old bluff]

The one pinned in the new players channel

[rustic vale]

They mean all the weapon aspects

[oblique totem]

do people really look for weapon guide?

I mean you have 6 weapon so you can choose what fits your playstyle

I heard the gun was op when I started the game

I hated it

[summer hazel]

I hate all the gun aspects except for Eris, which I tolerate. The gun is inarguably very strong it's just not fun for me

[oblique totem]

yeah same , that's why I said you look for something that fits your style

shield is op but I can't enjoy playing with it

to me Gauntlets , bow , sword then spear

[latent moon]

I mean yeah bc they don't know how to play a certain weapon or something

Like "this feels bad, what am I doing wrong"

[latent moon]

Like for example, rail is one of the best weapons in the game lmao

[oblique totem]

that sure I mean like which weapon to play with , rather than how to play this weapon

[oblique totem]

can be with certain buffs

but like I can't enjoy it for life of me

shield is op

but I can't enjoy it

I prefer gauntlets cause it looks cooler and I feel the battle with it

and I love bows because I love bows anyway

[latent moon]

That's especially true if they want their first clear or first few yeah

Or high heat clears

[latent moon]

That can be said with like every weapon lol, with certain boons then it'll actually be good
Rail is just more specific most of the time

[oblique totem]

well true , as long they enjoy nothing for me to say , I prefer going blind mostly I enjoyed the game more experimenting with it

[oblique totem]

like I said to each their own weapons you have 6 weapons each with different playstyles and each of the 6 has 4 different aspects which differs in gameplay by a lot

spear and sword being prime example

[rustic vale]

It’s more about the fact that there is a little guide in #h1-for-new-players that tells you approximately how strong each aspect is at each level

It helps give newer players and idea of what is strong and allows them to better allocate your titans blood early

Certain aspects do really well even just at level 1, so you can buy them and then use the other titans blood on the aspects that need more

[oblique totem]

oh I get the idea not that I think it is fun but that's for just me personally

[rustic vale]

It just lets you make some informed decisions early game idk

[oblique totem]

gauntlets all the way xd

[zinc trellis]

I used to think the gauntlets were dumb and bad.

Used

[rustic vale]

People do this a lot with every single weapon

Almost 100% of the time it’s due to them either massively building it wrong or not understanding how to use the weapon effectively

[stiff obsidian]

they are dumb and bad

[fervent radish]

facts

[zinc trellis]

For like 10 runs I refused to use anything but the bow with Dio special DotS. First clear was with Clockets though lol

[stiff obsidian]

i just used anything with dark thirst until i cleared all bounties

[mint coral]

I cheated the darkness in

[glacial bolt]

talking about Darkness, is the grabbing darkness = healing a good mirror option or

[mint coral]

Nah

Some people die by it cuz "it heals you after the boss" but the fountain is right there

+3 per room also gets you discounts on chaos gates

And actually works in styx

[glacial bolt]

wait

u get nothing on stynx?

like ur best choice is to save all Bouldy summons?

[mint coral]

There's no natural darkness in styx yeah

Bouldy works, charon wells too

[glacial bolt]

rip

worthless

[rustic vale]

Where have you seen darkness in styx aside from buying it in charon wells

[solid glen]

fountain + darkness healing gets me up to full every time though

[fervent radish]

Yeah but it’s inconsistent at other times

[rustic vale]

The consistency of Cthonic, and especially the value gained in Styx far outperform the occasional minor top up in between biomes when you account for the fountain

[fierce junco]

i feel like its more forgiving instead of just a good headstart to a biome

especially with chaos curses leaving you at one in tartarus

its nominal on paper but has saved several runs in practice

[copper sedge]

What value do the extra shields from Aspect of Chaos add?

[lavish sorrel]

None

(Seriously just play any of the other shields instead, chaos is just zagshield but with less damage)

[copper sedge]

I hope to win at least one run with aspect of chaos to see if Chaos has any dialogue for it (I could look it up but I want to find out for myself)

[winter scarab]

+3 per room is just way way more consistent

If you have foresight that limits your healing even more

[bold blade]

I'm on Hell mode, Run 70.

Still unable to beat Meg.

My heat is at 22. Am I doing something wrong? I'm beyond infuriated atp.

[mint coral]

What's your current pact/what build are you doing/how's your mirror upgrades going atm

[bold blade]

Punishment, Fists
Shadow Pres 100%, Chthonic 100%, 1 Death Defiance, Ruthless Reflex 100%, Boiling Blood 100%, Stygian 100%, Golden Touch 100%, Thick Skin 100%

Haven't unlocked past that on the mirror

This bot is pissing me off extraordinarily

[radiant rivet]

i agree

shut up 😢😢

[bold blade]

I'm gonna head off to bed

[bold blade]

But if anyone has any advice please, pass it over

Because if I lose again I feel like I'm gonna go postal put my head through the wall

[mint coral]

Wait why are you doing 22 heat with only 1 defiance

[indigo badge]

by pact he meant which options are you using for heat
regarding mirror upgrades,change ruthless reflex to greater reflex and golden touch to deep pockets

also yeah why are you running 22 heat if you can't even beat meg

[bold blade]

Do you know how hard it is to come by 500 Darkness in this economy

[mint coral]

How many times have you escaped yet

[bold blade]

0

[mint coral]

????

Why are you doing 22 heat

[indigo badge]

then why are you playing 22 heat 😂

[bold blade]

Because I hate myself

[mint coral]

Turn the damn pacts off 😭

[bold blade]

NEVER

I asked for ADVICE not EXCUSES

[indigo badge]

"am i doing something wrong" YES YOU ARE

[mint coral]

"chat I can't win cuz I severely underpowered what can I do"

What options do you even have

[indigo badge]

plenty of people don't even go above 16 heat despite having several wins

[bold blade]

Kill this robot first of all

Second option is WIN

[mint coral]

Just block it if it bothers that much

It just does its job cuz people still mix up the chats

[indigo badge]

with fist, a reliable build is to start with zeus attack then look for static discharge

[bold blade]

Yess yessss
Feed me knowledge

I'll read over it all when I wake back up

[indigo badge]

that's all you need for fists

[bold blade]

Excellent
Because I vehemetly refuse to turn down the heat

[indigo badge]

good luck in asphodel lol 🗿

[bold blade]

Luck, it seems like 99% of any given run at this difficulty is luck

[mint coral]

If you are doing fists I'd prob reset mirror and see if no shadow/golden touch/stygian gets you to the 500 for the 2nd defiance

[mint coral]

Not really

[bold blade]

There is no reason I should be getting like, 3 shops in a row and facing Meg with 1-2 upgrades

[mint coral]

The issue is you are underpowered in permanent upgrades

[bold blade]

The last 3 runs I've done, I had to face Meg with limited upgrades, because I couldn't roll any

[indigo badge]

also inexperience because you're staying alive long enough to learn

[mint coral]

You have no access to the tons of titan blood that escaping once and climbing up to 22 normally would have given you

You have barely any darkness if you are still at 1 defiance

Idk how you are keepsake wise

[bold blade]

Dog Collar

[mint coral]

Is that the only one y9u have

[bold blade]

Oh no, definitely not

I have a few from the Gods but

I prefer the collar

I haven't found anything that boosts me as much as it does yet

That said, I really should be heading off

I'll read any further advice when I wake, danke

[lavish sorrel]

[stiff hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-kisser-boykisser-boy-kisser-type-type-typing-gif-4348094406361571449

[glacial bolt]

My personal advice is to use Bow with Dyo, either Cast trippy shot or Chiro special Poison build

that stuff is strong af either way and can carry you most of the way if you play safe.

[rustic vale]

Your advice is just ignoring the bows best dps option completely 🫠

[glacial bolt]

it is what im more comfortable/experienced with.

It may not the be the very best number wise, bit is extremely easy to pick up and very effcient.

[rustic vale]

I guess but it’s pretty solid advice to just take a few runs to learn how to dash strike so you can run with bow rather than walk idk

[rustic vale]

You can ultimately get a fair amount of control over the run from knowing the god pool mechanics and some later mirror upgrades, as well as from picking up god keepsakes

most builds rely on maybe 2 core boons from gods, their duo, and then just picking the best options you can from the remaining boons you find from those gods and the two other supporting gods you’ll end up taking

[glacial bolt]

Honestly take the option for more Epic rather than duos

Epic when pommed can do so much work with its base value

also allows you to more easily get hermes epics

which are themselves very busted

I took Quick recovery epic on Excalibur run and my god, have i never seen my hp takes so much lil damage

"You took 65"
"nah i took 31 damge, lmao"

[rustic vale]

rarity and value from poms are entirely independent though

A pom will provide the same bonus to a common tidal dash as an equally leveled epic tidal dash

Like ofc god’s pride is in fact better than god’s legacy, more epics is better

But it kinda sounds like weird reasoning to go “it’s because you get better pom value” when you just don’t

[fervent radish]

My advice is to not jump directly to 22 heat. You’re shooting yourself in the foot and probably never going to clear this way

Even with incredible luck, you’re going to die because the game only gets harder after Meg lmao

[harsh scroll]

Not just due to rarities but because God's Favor discards Dark Foresight which is like the Juliet to your Romeo

Rarer boons aren't that useful when you can't find them as often I think

[fervent radish]

You mean legacy

[harsh scroll]

Oh well Legacy gets value once per run and calls it a day

[fervent radish]

Pride>legacy anyways yeah

[latent moon]

It's only luck bc you refuse to turn down the heat to actually clear and get more darkness
Bosses give them most darkness so you're barely getting anything and you can't clear without them (at your skill level at least)

[rustic vale]

Yes I do

my b

[harsh scroll]

The only scenarios where I think Legacy can be better is if you're trying to stack as many duos/legendaries for some really odd reason or if you're planning on Exclusive Access as quick as possible

[rustic vale]

I did not realise they were also jumping way ahead to 22 heat bruh

Leaping way ahead of your heat level is just going to result in you dying in Tartarus a bunch and not learning anything

[fervent radish]

Legacy is supposedly better for farming sheets bc of consistent mirage shot but that requires a good level of proficiency with Beowulf in the first place

[harsh scroll]

I remember struggling to jump from 7 to 8 on fists 💔 the huge leap is NOT a flex

[rustic vale]

Bro you cannot win because you’re playing at a difficulty that kills you before you can even learn how to even play the game. Step it down and actually get a clear or 2 under your belt so you have experience

[fervent radish]

It’s pretty valid to jump from 5 to 8 and then 16, 32, etc once you have your first clear btw

But getting the first clear and learning the game while it’s still relatively approachable is important

[rustic vale]

also why 22 specifically

[wispy flower]

So stubborn roots don't work if I already spent all my death defiance before getting it?

[rustic vale]

If you used all your defiances, stubborn roots should work

Do you have like a tooth defiance that you thought would loophole it or something

[wispy flower]

It didn't work in the rooms in temple of styx when I got it but now it works again when I'm fighting redacted

[rustic vale]

Hmm

It should work under normal circumstances in styx

unless you were poisoned I guess

It also only works in combat rooms during combat

[wispy flower]

I guess perhaps I was too busy being chased around in those encounters that I wouldn't stay safe long enough to see an effect

[fervent radish]

It’s very slow so that might be the case

[rustic vale]

Stubborn roots try not to be unusably slow challenge

[stone rune]

some things never change i guess

[hoary aspen]

hi server

not a big fan of poseidon

[winter scarab]

It’s designed to be a crutch i think the speed is fine, any more would be pretty op

[fervent radish]

Facts

[hoary aspen]

zeus on the other hand

[copper sedge]

To be fair, you can fully heal yourself in any room you can stall in

[winter scarab]

Splitting bolt 🔥

[copper sedge]

They really went out of their way to make Theseus the worst in every way possible didn’t they

(His shield is dumb)

[hoary aspen]

zeus makes me happy i love him

[copper sedge]

Hammers don’t affect chaos’s extra shields do they?

[hoary aspen]

stickybot needs to shut up smh

[knotty lodge]

recently trying out 32 heat runs. mf im so stupid

i keep forgetting to get a throwaway boon for purging

every single freaking run

lol

[latent moon]

They do not

[copper sedge]

None of them?

[latent moon]

Nope

Only the main shield

[copper sedge]

no double explosive return?

[latent moon]

No lol

[copper sedge]

Sad

[copper sedge]

I hear it used to be wildly broken, what was different?

[mint coral]

It used to shoot in a star pattern iirc so it had more aoe

[rustic vale]

It previously had far better aoe, and also the metagame has just come a long was since then

[copper sedge]

Does it get more spread as it levels up?

[rustic vale]

I can’t remember what a level 2 chaos special looks like

whoops

chaos

[glacial bolt]

Honestly id take him over Zeus tbh, he is just more safe and has better duos and Seas Treasure far outvalus most zeus boons

[winter scarab]

Just a shield on either side of the actual shield

[hoary aspen]

but knockback is stupid and silly

[digital pond]

man i hate getting patrocolus and euridicye max ambrosia gifts cuz i have to go there and just hope i get them and when i do theres fking achiles or orpheus which prevents me from gifting and i have to do the whole sht again just for a chance to get them

[mint coral]

?

[rustic vale]

This is so valid for strike and special

for cast and dash it doesn’t matter nearly as much

They just deal too much damage and have good enough aoe that it doesn’t really matter

[hoary aspen]

yeah i don't like cast and dash

🥱

[digital pond]

like oh my god is this annoying im just trying to gift her and tht man just ambrosia blocks me

[glacial bolt]

i havent had any good zeus runs in a while, di rather take surf call, Cast or dash any day lol

[fervent radish]

The knockback is stupid on attack and special

Pretty counterproductive

[glacial bolt]

yeah

[winter scarab]

Styx tho 🔥

[harsh scroll]

The most fun I've ever had was using Poseidon atk on Rail (paired with Sea Storm of course)

Very strong

[fervent radish]

Dash with breaking wave

[timid echo]

guys i am fighting for my life without the shield weapon

this is pain

[harsh scroll]

What if EM Lernie instead had you fight all 4 variants of the heads at once but with a single, shared health bar

[glacial bolt]

BW does not affect Bosses?

[fervent radish]

It kinda does ish

It can bug to instakill hades sometimes

[glacial bolt]

🤔

Wut

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[rustic vale]

Knockback still affects bosses but at a heavily reduced rate

[mint coral]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/puu0he/am_i_allowed_to_deal_this_much_wall_slam_damage/

[glacial bolt]

wait, i forgor magnet gloves existd

[latent moon]

Might be better to keep forgetting they do

[copper sedge]

Aspect of Eris and Hazard Fire has to be the worst combination of any two abilities, right?

[harsh scroll]

I think Hazard is incompatible with Eris tho

[old bluff]

Nope

You can get it

[harsh scroll]

Nahhh 😭

[copper sedge]

Well
Hazard Bomb, Urge to Kill, Heartbreak Flourish, two chaos flourishes, battle rage, targeting system
I don’t think Theseus’s shield is saving him this time

[hoary aspen]

i'm so glad they didn't give ares just another damage over time effect

his mechanic is so silly

i love it sm

[stiff obsidian]

😸

[winter scarab]

It’s fun tho

It’s a cool challenge

[bold blade]

14 it is. And I'm switching to Controller.

[stiff obsidian]

hazard delta eris is actually valid if r rly good

[gilded quest]

Hi

So I get a poseidon fire circle

But I skiped it

Cuz didn’t see that

Whats that?

[mint coral]

The erebus gate? You use heat (from the pact of punishment) to enter a hitless challenge, if you succeed you get a boosted reward

In case of boons they have better rarity

[bold blade]

Beats Meg second attempt (First Run has HORRIBLE buffs)

[gilded quest]

Yep

But I think I buy it too early

Cuz im in 3 Heat rn

[mint coral]

You could always go past your current needed amount

You need 5/10/15 heat depending on where you find it

But in general they aren't great

[rustic vale]

They’re really situational picks

For the most part you’re taking one if you really really don’t want the other option(s)

Like demeter being the only exit as your fourth god in tartarus when you haven’t found the second important god for your build

So you’d take an erebus to avoid her

[solid glen]

they're nice just to have an extra option

especially tartarus which are easy

[winter scarab]

If the choice is a Erebus Zeus boon or a regular Zeus boon I’m going Erebus all the way

Assuming that’s who I want ofc

[mint coral]

I don't think you can get Erebus and the door reward be the same

[stiff obsidian]

i wouldnt risk losing a zeus boon

[rustic vale]

This isn’t a scenario that can happen

also the difference between a tart erebus and an elysium erebus means it’s considerable in tartarus, ponderable in asphodel, and off the table for elysium

[fervent radish]

Ely Erebus gates can spawn minibosses lol

[stiff obsidian]

didnt know that

[gilded quest]

Hermes have dual bless?

[stiff obsidian]

nmo

no

[gilded quest]

O

[gilded quest]

Why Hades hate bows haha

[autumn jewel]

I think dad trashtalks on all weapons except his spear

[stiff obsidian]

based

he just like me fr

[bold blade]

Is it just me or is the visual clutter in this game ridiculous

There should be no point in which I'm struggling to discern what part of the screen is what

And yet I am almost constantly

[mint coral]

Yesh is def an issue lol

Especially with tons of zeus

[bold blade]

Oh geez lol

Is there some kind of mod to just turn down the clutter a liiiiiittle bit

Like yeah the environments are nice, but I can barely see my enemies

[hoary aspen]

yeah i don't think there's a way to

[mint coral]

Yeah same haven't heard of mods like that

Best I can think of would be running builds with low "noise"

[hoary aspen]

one problem with that

i don't like ares that much

[copper sedge]

The character?

[hoary aspen]

the effects

[copper sedge]

Ah. Yeah, doom isn’t the most useful effect is it

[hoary aspen]

i would rather spam damage reduction with aphrodite

[glacial bolt]

Oka, trippy shot build, tartatrus, got 2 duos, exclusive access or mirrage shot

cant decide, either its so goood

[snow hemlock]

Dyeing my hair w bleach and feeling like the heats skull icon

[stiff obsidian]

[hoary aspen]

guys what if greek mythology was actually cool and awesome instead of weird for no reason

[lavish sorrel]

Then it'd be less interesting

[stiff obsidian]

it is cool and awesome

[lavish sorrel]

Greek mythology is one of the rare writings that is allowed to be as unhinged as it wants

[stiff obsidian]

i heard something about wattpad idk tho'

[blissful sorrel]

If your struggling to get into using ares boons i highly suggest using a hunting blades build.
The build uses the Achilles spear aspect and get Ares’s cast and Artemis’s attack, or special, this opens up their duo boon called hunting blades which will make the blade rifts from your cast track enemies.
Using the spear’s special to get the attack boost and then using your casts absolutely shreds enemies

[stiff obsidian]

THATS WASNT THE PROBLEM

oops caps

[blissful sorrel]

Oh mb, i thought id suggest an ares build for them to use since they don’t like the ares boons that much, they said they didn’t like the doom effects so i thought id suggest a blade rift build as its still ares boons

[stiff obsidian]

i think theyre having a problem with the heavy visual effects rather

hunting blades is valid though

[stiff hatch]

I need thanatos so bad

[muted prairie]

Hey question, I've finally been able to give my ambrosia to some gods, by putting on their keepsake and maxing them out with the hearts, but when I tried to do it with Artemis, it wasn't available, so is their a prerequisite I missed ?

[fierce junco]

i knew you were familiar

[stiff hatch]

Huh 😭

[fierce junco]

3k messages in lop 'cord

[stiff hatch]

o yea I left some of the mods were unbearable

[mint coral]

Each character has their own favor needed to be able to gift ambrosia

[harsh scroll]

Artemis is about getting tons of dialogue until she feels like unlocking the heart

[mint coral]

Arty's is hearing har talk about uh, what's their name

[harsh scroll]

Callisto

[mint coral]

But yeah tl;dr just keep talking

Ty

[muted prairie]

So it's just talking to them until they feel like giving the heart ?

[mint coral]

For arty yeah

Others can be more specific

Like hermes or poseidon

[muted prairie]

like Achilles might need his quest right ?

[mint coral]

Correct

[harsh scroll]

Yeah Achilles needs you to void the contract

[muted prairie]

okkkkkkk ty

[mint coral]

they are all in the wiki fwiw

[harsh scroll]

Achilles, Orpheus and Sisyphus

[muted prairie]

oh there's a wiki

[mint coral]

Is just a fandom wiki sadly

So turn on your adblocker and all that

[harsh scroll]

It's not like other fandom pages tho it works as an official wiki pretty well

[muted prairie]

and about that, it's completing the fated quest they give ? About Charon and Theseus ?

[mint coral]

Nope

Hermes is talk to him with his keepsake equipped at max rank

[harsh scroll]

Hermes is showing you level 3 Plume and Poseidon is fishing 18 times, one of which must be rare/legendary (can't recall)

[mint coral]

Poseidon is fish 18(?) fish and talk to him with at least one in your inventory

[harsh scroll]

And have one in your hand when you talk to him

[mint coral]

The rare fish part is for his prophecy instead pretty sure

[muted prairie]

ooooh ok (think it's another prophecy)

[mint coral]

The fishing prophecy is like, 25 fish and at least 1 rare and report to poseidon

[harsh scroll]

Maybe then idk I lost track of prophecies

[mint coral]

Basically just don't deliver the fish you get and it'll be completed at some point

[muted prairie]

and is there anyway to have better fishes beside the legendary ?

[mint coral]

Skeleton lure from charon wells

[muted prairie]

I feel like I only got commons up until now

[harsh scroll]

Perfect catch guarantees a rare

[muted prairie]

oh right

[mint coral]

Oh rarities

Is based on reaction time

Normal catch is 50/50 common/rare perfect catch is rare/legendary

[muted prairie]

how do we do perfect catch ?

[harsh scroll]

Reaction time

[muted prairie]

I might be doing it wrong since the beginning lol

[mint coral]

Hit the catch button under .315ms iirc

[harsh scroll]

Depending on how fast you reel it

[mint coral]

The game will say "perfect catch" if you got it

[muted prairie]

almost instant after the thing go underwater ?

[mint coral]

Nyaanyaa's Fishing Guide
There can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. Fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous bob.

Personally, I just look for the white flash above the bobber and ignore the bobber itself. Some players have said they have better success when putting their thumb on the bobber to not get distracted by that, so maybe you could give that a try.

A Perfect Catch means catching a fish within 340ms. Perfect Catches are 50/50 on being a legendary or rare fish. Any other catch is 50/50 on being a rare or common fish

[muted prairie]

ok i'l definitely try that, tysm !

[harsh scroll]

Tomorrow I'll try something very memey on Rail. Hope it turns out badly

[tepid light]

do tell

[mint coral]

Artic blast ?

[harsh scroll]

Ares atk, Dire Misfortune. Probably get Delta/Eternal Chamber. Attack until I feel like it or run out of ammo and see how much damage I get

[tepid light]

I've heard worse, you can probably at least get some results

[mint coral]

Is a common meme on lucifer I feel

[harsh scroll]

Maybe go normal rail so I can get Rocket Bomb and Athena special for ME

[tepid light]

lucifer be lucifer

[harsh scroll]

And Impending Doom of course

[fervent radish]

Doom attack is pretty normal on rail

I think false has done 60 with it on eris

[harsh scroll]

Aw

Time to make up a new meme then

What about Poseidon special on Talos

[stiff hatch]

paws at you can I have legendary chaos boon paws at you can I have legendary chaos boon paws at you can I have legendary chaos boon paws at you can I have lege

[tepid light]

no

no

no

no

[stiff hatch]

can I ha

[tepid light]

no

you only get legendary chaos boon if you send me $15000 USD

[stiff hatch]

noo

[tepid light]

don't you want the boon

[harsh scroll]

Helo im primodial chao need $50000 to se my dauter send on paypal

"How can I trust you're the real Primordial Chaos?"

I see u stand ur grond againt the sepent's flame

[stiff obsidian]

no problem

[stiff hatch]

bro think he's messmer

[stiff obsidian]

better than dio fr

[tepid light]

mods asleep, discuss elden ring in the h1 channel

[stiff obsidian]

i want to get it

ive a bet with a person and if i win theyll get me it

so ezgg

[tepid light]

what's the bet

[stiff obsidian]

not important

[fervent radish]

It’s kinda mid

But yeah if you’re getting it gifted seems reasonable

[stiff obsidian]

real?

[fervent radish]

It’s the hades 2 to ds1 imo

But it’s an unpopular take so odds are you’ll like it

[jaunty blade]

guys i did almost everything in the game but meg wont visit my room what i need to do?

in codex i learn everything about her sisters and maxed out with nectar but i cant forge her bond.

[stiff obsidian]

no rizz

[rustic vale]

Check her wiki page for herspecific favour

[spiral bluff]

does anyone know where can i find the hades modding discord?

i wana try afther the epiloge sm modding

just a lil bit

("a lil bit" says the mf who is a kid in a cady story with a credit card)

[hoary aspen]

adult money 🤤

[mint coral]

#self-promotion pins

[jaunty blade]

i handle it bro thx

[vestal dagger]

whats the highest heat thats been cleared boonless?

[fervent radish]

60 on Rama

[vestal dagger]

o wow, im assuming shackle all the way through?

[fervent radish]

ueah

Boonless mirrorless is 43 on hestia

Lowkey Rama could probably crush that too but yeah

[vestal dagger]

damn i got to step up my game

[fervent radish]

Hahaha

We’ll see how ||fear|| evolves to be honest

Some of the bossing vows should end up making boonless a much more reasonable experience imo

[vestal dagger]

i wanna play h1 boonless but that means i have to relearn h1

[fervent radish]

I will say Rama is an outlier here because room clear is still exceptional because of shared suffering

[vestal dagger]

what is the perception on h1 boonless? like does NPC rewards count as a boon?

like is patrocles considered a boon?

[fervent radish]

No

So yeah you can take his jerky

[raw herald]

All the npc rewards in hades 1 are temporary anyway

They’re more counted as well items if anything

[copper sedge]

Do yall ever just stand around the house of hades for the ambience?

[stiff hatch]

Is there a lore reason why stubborn defiance is so bad? Is nyx stupid?

[fervent radish]

Best mirror talent wdym

You’re probably bad

[stiff hatch]

bait

[fervent radish]

No u

[fervent radish]

Stubborn is used mostly when rooms tend to be more dangerous than bosses and provides a source of healing when you have lasting consequences on since you can regen back to 30% hp every room. Also, with Athena SD replaces and Patroclus boost, you can end up with almost twice as much effective hp as you would have with death defiance

[stiff hatch]

?

whole lot of yapping for saying its good smh

[fervent radish]

Sensing a skill issue

[harsh scroll]

Literally the most important mirror upgrade for high heat next to Dark Foresight

[stiff hatch]

Bosses

[harsh scroll]

There comes a point in heat where regular rooms are more dangerous than bosses and defiances become your only source of healing thanks to Lasting Consequences

[fervent radish]

bosses are more predictable than rooms

[harsh scroll]

Death Defiance is better than Stubborn for bosses yeah but at some point you'll be needing them more in regular rooms than in bosses

[fervent radish]

i would say above like 24 heat or LC4(whichever comes first) stubborn becomes better than death

[harsh scroll]

Plus with Athena and Patroclus you can make a Stubborn Defiance use heal nearly 100% HP which is about 2 regular DDs on a single room

Both of which are coincidentally like the wheels of your car on high heat

[stiff hatch]

yea if you get lucky

[fervent radish]

Not that lucky

If you start Athena you have a pretty good chance of seeing a replace

[fervent radish]

We’re not playing stubborn defiance because it’s off meta lol. All of these things have already been considered and decided

If you don’t like it, don’t use it

[copper sedge]

I'm probably good/boosted enough at this point that I could use death defiance, but the safety net from Stubborn Defiance is really nice to have

[latent moon]

if you really want a short answer, it's that in high heat SD can heal more than SD over the course of a run

SD is the whole reason why high heat is remotely possible

bc otherwise you'd have to essentially play the game and only take like 4 hits before you die

[glacial bolt]

How is Zag's base cast?

is ok to build around, like with shacklers ect

[latent moon]

no lol

it's base 50 damage, which isn't a whole lot considering the fact that it's a resource cooldown

or you only get 3

the only way to make it "viable" is on beowulf since it doesn't lodge so you can sorta spam damage with it

[stiff hatch]

gotcha
Well I just like the insurance of
not having one life

[latent moon]

i did it at 40 heat but rng-ed into mirage shot for double damage, but otherwise it's not really worth building around

is kinda funny tho

[glacial bolt]

with Shackle it deals 140 damage tho

[latent moon]

you prob have other modifiers

bc i'm fairly certain zag cast only does 50 damage?

does it do 70

[fervent radish]

Push heat and you’ll feel otherwise

[glacial bolt]

Uh, high confidence?

[fervent radish]

You can savestate bosses ad nauseum until damageless, so stubborn ends up being a lot more hp

[fervent radish]

50

[glacial bolt]

all i have rn is a chaos +1 cast and a shackles lol

[latent moon]

yeah prob high confidence and some other stuff

no god boons for family favorites?

[fervent radish]

Maybe fiery

[latent moon]

fiery doesn't affect cast

[fervent radish]

True

[glacial bolt]

^

[latent moon]

yeah got no clue

but it's def base 50

[glacial bolt]

I have 10% cuz apro dash and PP

[fervent radish]

HC and shackle should bring you to 112

[latent moon]

yeah that'll do it then

probably

[fervent radish]

Oh well that explains it lol

[glacial bolt]

so 10%+25%+100%

[fervent radish]

Actually that’s still 117

[latent moon]

oh

welp

still no clue then lmao

[glacial bolt]

Ehhh

Well, its not as bad anyhow

its definetly kinda lame tho

[fervent radish]

Pretty lame

[glacial bolt]

fun challenge run

[fervent radish]

Def not the thing to build around

[latent moon]

yeah it's def not good but kidna funny

[fervent radish]

That sounds horrific

Maybe use Achilles

[glacial bolt]

Give it a show, for the lulz

Oh wait, im using Poseidon

thats the other part of the damage

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1025669359370252318/unknown.png?ex=680d32c7&is=680be147&hm=256a04b7f2ea0ee97d0349f3ca8a8febf631ce5e357f9a2005bb6cca35ab3f77&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1536&height=864

peak shackle cast build imo

[mint coral]

unless you are in chamber 1

[latent moon]

oh right lmfao

forgot about that bug

[mint coral]

is so funny

[glacial bolt]

shackle by this world no longer

free to cast at will

[fervent radish]

Mirage bug is intact right

[hollow tusk]

do passive (Olympian) boons count for the no boon run commendation ?

[latent moon]

i think so? i never looked at the numbers but it felt a lot better than when i was doing it boonless beforehand

[latent moon]

no

the only boons that count for the dialogue are non-purgeable boons

[hollow tusk]

thanks, don't know why i had a stroke reading that

[harsh scroll]

Boons you can't purge on the pool don't count for the dialogue

[copper sedge]

New scheme unlocked: Fill Aspect of Hera with as many slicing shots as possible

[autumn jewel]

[copper sedge]

I have 4 bloodstones and hunting blades
Things are about to get fun

[knotty lodge]

was looking up builds for beowulf shield for 32 heat, saw someone say that mirage shot is bugged to be full damage instead of the 30% for beowulf. is this still true or has it been patched since? Asking cause the post was from 2 years ago

[indigo badge]

it was never fixed

it's why beowulf has always been the top speedrunning option

[knotty lodge]

that's good to hear thanks. i guess it isn't a "bug" now, but a "feature" if they never fixed it lol

[copper sedge]

I think the only thing that could possibly make this run better is Fully Loaded

add another 70 damage per blade tick

well that or instant pickup\

[latent moon]

every bug in this game is a feature at this point lmao

including the bugs that make things worse unfortunately lol

[copper sedge]

I died to hades because I forgot to dodge attacks :(

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[tepid light]

Bananas

[stiff obsidian]

bananas

[autumn jewel]

bananas

[rustic vale]

Hades hasn’t been patched in like 4 years

Every bug is a feature 👍

[tepid light]

If they randomly dropped a balance patch for Hades 1 tomorrow with no warning or comment, how would you all react

[stiff obsidian]

id wake up

[tepid light]

false you never answered, why is your name like that

[stiff obsidian]

its what. i use

is my default

[fervent radish]

I’d be pretty chill I think

Zeus has mostly harmful bugs

Splitting bug, Zeus damage reduction bug, ER not critting

[rustic vale]

Last 4 years of speedrunning records down the drain tbh

[latent moon]

yeah rip speed records lmao

hera would get pretty shafted too

much more so than beo

i think literally bc of that, beo would still be on top lmfao

also bc beo can still just buy the whole build out of a well lmfao

would be much more difficult to get records since you'll need better rng for your build/wells

wouldn't affect heat at all bc like every other bug that exists in the game is harmful lmao

zeus heat gamers would absolutely love seeing splitting bolt now

[stiff obsidian]

never reinstalling if delta gets patched

[fervent radish]

Facts

[fervent radish]

I think achilles gets more love

[latent moon]

maybe but like

i think the main issue is that most of the speed gamers are more familiar with beo

achilles is hella hard and i'm sure there'll be an uptick in achilles gamers

but like dear lord there's a reason why 185in still has the achilles record lmao

if someone else wanted to sub5 on achilles (or at least come close) they should already be trying at this point tbh

bc a bug fix making beo worse shouldn't really be the catalyst to suddenly pick up achilles imo

achilles is such a hard aspect to actually play well it's insane

[fervent radish]

True

[copper sedge]

Is Hera with Hunting Blades as good on higher heats as it was in my recent attempts?

[fervent radish]

No

Banking on a duo is too inconsistent at high heat

Meta for Hera is pretty much the same from speed to high heat: get crush shot and Pom it a bunch

Alternative build path is explosive into twin/triple with Zeus attack and jokted

[latent moon]

also to add on, that build isn't good bc hunting blades is good on hera, it's the fact that hunting blades is just good in general such that it kinda works on any aspect

it's better on certain aspects because those aspects boost cast damage tho

mainly achilles

technically poseidon and eris (and talos but that's sus) but those aspects typically don't build around hunting blades

but hunting blades is best on achilles by far

[tepid light]

oh please give us a new patch

the sheer speedrunner agony would be delicious

[copper sedge]

I can understand that, but I appreciate the safety from Hera while still being able to put the blades directly on the target

Then again, if it’s high heat I’d probably need to be good enough where staying away isn’t necessarily a concern/option, right?

[latent moon]

yeah lmao

once you get better at the game, needing/wanting to cast hunting blades at range with hera will feel really pointless

[glacial bolt]

High confidence on Nemesis?

is it a bad idea?

[stiff obsidian]

High confidence almost never the answer

[tepid light]

you should have a better opinion of yourself, false

[indigo badge]

high confidence may not take you far in the underworld, but it sure does among the living 🔥 💯

[tepid light]

and it is through your deeds in life that you earn your place in death

so really, it's a win/win

[stiff obsidian]

Took me 4 rereads to understand

[tepid light]

Lmao

[tidal hazel]

What genre is hades like i get its a rogue like but in hades you’re guaranteed yo get better every time you die and risk of rain is a rogue like but nothing changes if you die

[harsh scroll]

Roguelite

On roguelikes you lose EVERYTHING on death while on roguelikes you're allowed to keep a few resources you can use to slowly improve

Which is the case for darkness and gemstones

[rustic vale]

RoR is also technically a roguelite in the conventional sense that you do indeed have metaprogression

as you unlock characters and abilities based on achievements you make

[harsh scroll]

Why did I get hearted 🙏

[rustic vale]

Cuz you were right?

[stiff hatch]

it's in the blood is so peak

[stiff hatch]

it's rougelite bc lunar coin

[rustic vale]

That too

[stiff hatch]

Unlocks doesn't mean rougelite though

[rustic vale]

But every roguelite is various degrees of “lite”

[stiff hatch]

for example balatro isn't a rougelite

[rustic vale]

Is it not metaprogression?

[stiff hatch]

nope

[rustic vale]

😔

[stiff hatch]

metaprogression is upgrades like the mirror in hades

[rustic vale]

Hmm

[tidal hazel]

Do you guys have any suggestions of similar games to hades then? Except of course hades 2

[copper sedge]

Thanatos is kind of a hypocrite

“Don’t steal my kills” he’ll say as the health bar of an enemy I’ve almost killed turns purple

[drowsy crypt]

To say many npcs in Hades speak "flavor text" would be a huge understatement. All the characters are a bit or a lot flawed

[hoary aspen]

dont worry he deserves it

[summer hazel]

I really really liked rogue legacy and the sequel

Very very similar progression to hades

[tidal hazel]

I don’t really like platformers but ill give it a go

[stiff obsidian]

Rogue elite

[summer hazel]

That might be a deal breaker. Though I usually don't go for platformers either

[solid glen]

I disagree that unlocks aren't meta progression

A true, pure roguelike has nothing change at all as you do more runs

Rogue certainly had no unlocks

[copper sedge]

Is Aspect of Hera relatively worse the more experience you have?

[fervent radish]

It gets a lot better

One of the highest skill ceiling aspects in the game

[copper sedge]

Wow, high skill floor and ceiling

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[copper sedge]

I love that bow

[raw herald]

Chiron is the one which has the low floor low ceiling

[copper sedge]

What if Curse of Pain + Dire Misfortune + Impending Doom + Relentless Volley
If my math is right, that's 330 per special assuming all are rare and level 1

[raw herald]

Still almost 0 aoe

Sea storm Chiron is better, it has some aoe at least

[fervent radish]

Just do explosive Zeus start

[rustic vale]

That’s not even the best option you have for chiron special

by a long shot

Like the Concentrated and Relentless hammers together is 320 base damage

You can easily throw any +% special on that and be hitting 700+ per special

Even just concentrated brings your base damage up to 160 something

so any +% special by itself brings you up to the 330 damabe you just said

[latent moon]

the issue with chiron isn't exactly the damage output, it's the fact that it has 0 aoe
every other weapon/aspect has some sort of aoe that's pretty good, but chiron effectively has none

[harsh scroll]

But hey it... homes!

[copper sedge]

I just lost one of my best runs so far to a crash in the hades fight a bit ago, is there a way to make sure that doesn't happen again

Specifically the "lose all my progress" part

[mint coral]

You can recover the run if you haven't loaded up the file again #h1-tech-fixes

[copper sedge]

I should specify that this is mobile

[mint coral]

Ahhh

Yeah I think that's just tough luck

[copper sedge]

What are the odds for duo/legendary boons?

I had the requirements for Fully Loaded, Mirage Shot, Second Wave, Sweet Nectar, Greater Recall, and Heart Rend this run, but I only got to see Heart Rend

[fervent radish]

Pretty low

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/llznpb/a_mostly_complete_guide_to_boon_choices_and/

[knotty lodge]

what's the general concept behind purgeable and non-purgeable boons?

there's some that cant be purged, right?

or no?

[fervent radish]

Yeah

[fervent radish]

Typically boons that give you something can’t be purged

Rare crop, vintage, sunken treasure, nourished soul

[knotty lodge]

Anything else besides that?

[fervent radish]

Nothing else comes to mind

[knotty lodge]

Alright, thanks a lot! Appreciate it

[copper sedge]

Thanks

[glacial bolt]

+62 HP from chaos or reroll for another cast stone?

which one

[copper sedge]

“Another”?

[harsh scroll]

What cast and how much HP

[glacial bolt]

rerolling for +1 cast stone

[glacial bolt]

Athena and 62 HP

[harsh scroll]

No like how much HP do you have

[copper sedge]

Oh, 1 as opposed to 0

[glacial bolt]

75 i think

[fervent radish]

What aspect and build

[glacial bolt]

Posei sword, Athena cast, already have parting S

[fervent radish]

Take the stone

[harsh scroll]

Genuine question does Athena have any duo that's actually bad

[glacial bolt]

there is no stone, im saying rerolling for one

or taking 63 HP

[fervent radish]

Ohh mb

[harsh scroll]

Not like mediocre, situational or good if you build around it I mean bad like Demeter+Poseidon tiers

[glacial bolt]

Its Epic 63 HP, thats the only reason im actually questionign a reroll

[fervent radish]

What heat

[glacial bolt]

20s

just chilling while dinner is cooking

[rustic vale]

The 2 athena DD boons

[solid glen]

i have never used athena cast

what is it for

[fervent radish]

I’d take hp if you’re feeling weak but if you’re chill you could roll for something

[glacial bolt]

Yeah HP will do