h1-discussion

[rustic vale]

Explaining math to some people is just like that

[idle girder]

yeah the further they are from the subject at hand, the more you'll have to do to relate them to the subject

not hades tho this game is just peak

[rustic vale]

I know I’ve done my fair share of wild comparisions

just to bring it back to math

Or physics

[idle girder]

funny thing being how math is (repeatedly said) everywhere in real life
but to actually visualize and point it out, you kinda need a mind for it

[rustic vale]

Oh for sure, but every so often my “common” examples just don’t click 🫠 so I try more targetted ones

[tepid light]

I remember when I first heard the phrase "math is the universal language"

And I could actually feel the rage button flick on in my head

Like "OH YEAH LEMME JUST GO ORDER FOOD AT A FOREIGN RESTAURANT USING MATH"

[idle girder]

yeah and it doesn't help that math sometimes can't be explained/created by maths only; you need physics, chemistry, biology, even human behavior to interact with it

[idle girder]

i can't
this is too good send help

[tepid light]

yw

[idle girder]

remember: las vegas only exists cuz we suck at probability math

[rustic vale]

No

[tepid light]

but jokes aside i obviously have no real problem with math and its importance speaks for itself

what does get my goat is when stupid people try to actually argue that math/science is the most important topic over all others

[rustic vale]

Las Vegas only exists because of human behaviour & addiction

[idle girder]

true that

[idle girder]

i think it's a big one yes, but the main man i highly doubt it
coming from the guy who went out of his way to teach numbers and shapes to kids, it's a thing but not the thing

[hollow rain]

Hades is the thing

[idle girder]

yes

[tepid light]

my simple response to anyone who tries to argue that:

"what would the world be like if history didn't exist?"

like, if history as a concept and field just did not exist

now try telling me math is the most important

[idle girder]

yeah for it to be the most important you need to be able to judge it well amongst the other aspects of life (heh-heh)

there's always something that something can't explain about something else

like how dusa wouldn't date you

you can't math that out

[rustic vale]

Idk I think we’re starting to see that world now

[tepid light]

I'm starting to see a world without Shackle

How bout that

[rustic vale]

Are you going blind?

[tepid light]

Blind to Shackle

Yes

[rustic vale]

Uhhh

I literally just freudian slipped in my google and wrote shackle instead of palworld

[idle girder]

it does feel like that yes

on further thought, is there a chance where the people of now don't care too much about documenting the now and only the history?

shush sticky

[rustic vale]

sorry I may have to clock that in real quick

[idle girder]

yeah we care about history and future cuz we don't have that yet, and less so the now cuz we do have it

[rustic vale]

Ah maybe

It’s a bit much for my brain to handle after my day and it being 1:00am rn

[tepid light]

We should perhaps bring this back to Hades anyway

[idle girder]

yes

but whyyyyyy does Chaos shield does what it does

[hollow rain]

td3 is caring about the now

ok I'm done

[idle girder]

HAHAHAH

BROH

[hollow rain]

^^

[rustic vale]

It used to be better

it was previously the meta shield far before the meta developed to what it is now afaik

It got hit with a nerf which at this point

[hollow rain]

what changed exaclty (I joined hades very late)

[rustic vale]

it wouldn’t’ve needed

[rustic vale]

It was about the actual spread of the shields being shot out

[tepid light]

This musta been a while ago

[rustic vale]

I think it used to fire out in a star

and then it got nerfed to shotgun scope

[idle girder]

wait that's broken

[rustic vale]

Eh not as much as bugowulf is now

[idle girder]

oh yah

that i won't say anything about

[rustic vale]

oh bugowulf had shield meta too back in the day but with charged flight 💀

[idle girder]

instaphasing bosses

[rustic vale]

When charged flight was +400% or 500%

[idle girder]

oh flight not shot

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[idle girder]

it can 5x anything you toss?

[tepid light]

Waiting for the day that gilgamesh is rank 1 top tier meta

It will come

Deniers be damned

[idle girder]

if ME gives you double doom damage then yes

not a measly +40

but then again other stuff uses ME better so kappacake

[rustic vale]

It previously could

Got nerfed down to 3x

[rustic vale]

…waiting for the heat death of the universe

where Cherry outlives everyone else

[tepid light]

DENIERS BE DAMNED

[idle girder]

ay caramba

[fervent radish]

Not even

Beo is just flat out stronger based on design

[idle girder]

ye

[fervent radish]

But gilga will likely have some of the lower WR times going forward among the “bad” aspects simply because of cherry

[idle girder]

lol what if maim works like ME
dash-striking procs it

[fervent radish]

I mean

ME has good damage when it gets there but it doesn’t have any crowd control

[idle girder]

and so gilgamesh is just bad

can we even do anything with the base 60 damage attacks

[fervent radish]

Uh

Athena

Maybe

Dio is meta for heat since you have maim and RR boosting damage right out of the gate

And cherry does use standing strikes in tart to great success

But gilga just isn’t a great aspect design wise

[rustic vale]

Hey

You can

Wheres the cherry clip

[fervent radish]

Probably in his playlist

[tepid light]

Aren't % damage boosts pretty good with 60 base damage

I usually go % damage strikes when I play gilgamesh

[fervent radish]

It’s fine except standing in one place usually gets you killed at higher heats

And it’s also suboptimal for traversing rooms for speedrunning

So ME ends up being the strongest option

[rustic vale]

well yeah it’s fine it’s just that gilgamesh has the worst balance of attack speed to dps since arthur

🗿 so you just get killed

[tepid light]

Yeah I guess I should have said putting aside the problems with Gilgamesh itself, % boosts on 60 damage is pretty good, yeah?

[rustic vale]

Yep

[tepid light]

Speedrunning

[fervent radish]

Idk man

Fun is a pretty bad gauge for anything

[rustic vale]

Idk man as

[fervent radish]

Ass

[rustic vale]

asss*

[tepid light]

I'm just joking

I do wish Gilgamesh was better

But I'm hardly the only one who wishes that

[fervent radish]

Yeah it just feels really bad to play idk

Just doesn’t do what I want it to do, and no other aspect has that issue

It’s the ||hades 2|| of hades

[tepid light]

I often use the same Aphrodite/Athena 'unkillable' build on Gilgamesh as I do on Arthur

Just so I can unga bunga with Gilgamesh strikes without instantly dying

[rustic vale]

Lmao

[quick bone]

is it better to spend 2 diamonds on the adminstratieve privlege or the contracters desk deluxe?

[crimson vector]

I got my friend into Hades cuz I let her play it on my switch and she describes it as being a permanent nuzlocke and I'm like yeah that's fair

[gusty blade]

that’s inefficient, no? i can get pretty good times on ares special builds for it

it’s also safer bc all you have to do is wait for the doom to hit if you’re low on health

[gusty blade]

admin priv, you’ll need it for future things

[tepid light]

I'm uhhh

Not quite sure what you're trying to tell me here

[crimson vector]

which is more fun playing Hades or watching your friends play Hades because I found both to be really fun cuz when you watch your friend play Hades you get to see that pure panic and fear that you felt when you first played

[tepid light]

Yeah watching friends play Hades is fun because you can laugh at them when the run inevitably goes south

[gusty blade]

wdym, im saying that special builds are better for gilgamesh, im kinda like that w/ weapon dmg efficiency, sry if that annoys you, its one of my certain qualities as one might say

[crimson vector]

yeah I'm surprised my friend Even made it to Meg with how the run was going she forgot she enabled a death defiance which was her only saving grace

[tepid light]

All I did was remark that I take % damage boosts on Gilgamesh strike

I made no judgement on what's optimal for the aspect

[gusty blade]

i assume this was one of the early runs of the game? like 1-8 ish

[gusty blade]

nvm then i misunderstood what i read, probably should sleep soon lol

[tepid light]

No worries lol

[crimson vector]

also My friend absolutely loves Poseidon I can kind of see it but all I see when I see Poseidon is That one uncle you go to when your family hosts a seafood barbecue

[tepid light]

We all had those early days where we could barely struggle through tartarus

[crimson vector]

yea for me it caused me to take a break from the game for a bit because I couldn't even get past the first world

[gusty blade]

then once you get a good regular or hidden aspect then the game becomes when you win instead of if

[tepid light]

Then you try an entirely different weapon/aspect and go right back down lmao

[gusty blade]

depends if you have maxed mirror or not, it may be more rocky when you first try a new aspect out but by that time you’ll probably adapt in the first few chambers

a few dds can provide room for adapting to a weapon in a run

[tepid light]

I'm just making humorous remarks

[gusty blade]

i have a bit more of a dry humor

kinda like vaazkl, yk how he reads wtver he is reading in his videos in a rly dry emotionless way?

kinda like that

[tepid light]

not familiar with the person unfort

[gusty blade]

oh alr

[bronze drift]

How’s life?

How’s death?*

[signal narwhal]

Lambent plume so nice, it not even upgraded fut makes life easier

[terse forum]

Agreed, but the switch from pierced butterfly to lambent was horrible for me 😭 I cursed each time I got hit & then remembered it wasn’t the same thing.

[signal narwhal]

how do i win as a spear

unupgraded 3 and 4 aspect feel rather bad and i have problem with 0 heat, so it means skill issue

[tepid light]

With regular Zagreus spear, just take advantage of the long attack range and stab stuff from as far away as possible

With Achilles, keep on using the special's dash and keep the damage bonus constantly up

With Hades, make sure to keep the debuff active on enemies, and then just stab things with Zagreus spear (quick spin and/or massive spin upgrades help with that)

Guan Yu is the most unique, you want to stand very far away and just keep throwing the special at enemies

[lavish sorrel]

You're not quite right about guan yu.
It can be played as a special-aspect usually using the Charged Skewer hammer (high-heat or hitless/damageless strat), but also like any other melee weapon ME or splash (anyheat strat mainly), and it can also be played with athena attack spin primarily using the Quick Spin or Massive Spin hammer (high-heat strat).
All of these play differently from each other.

[tepid light]

I thought it was general consensus that the special-only approach was better

Like, I enjoy playing melee Guan Yu myself but the slower attack speed and reduced max health makes it tricky

[lavish sorrel]

Highly dependant on what you're doing, there is no definitive overall answer to "how is gy best played no matter what"

Special strats are usually fine since it's easiest to play while being quite powerful, but it isn't always the play

[tepid light]

Well hey I'd certainly be happy to be proven wrong here

The more possible variety in playstyle, the better

[lavish sorrel]

I love gy due to its different build-paths 🤝

[tepid light]

It honestly is a bit surprising to hear that about Guan Yu

Given how easy it is for you to get run over while using it

[lavish sorrel]

Many other aspects have slightly off-meta strategies that can work but may take a specific skill-set and unusual decisionmaking to make work.

Poseidon sword for example can base nearly all of its damage off of casts, epic doom attack and blade-dash (nalei semi-recently sub6'd like that).

Achilles doesn't just accept hunting blades, it can also run lightning phalanx and be nearly just as good (but far harder to use and stuggles with small enemies). Achilles can also run attack-based strategies due to having the buff apply to attack too.

Eris can also be played as a castspect.

Unmodded high-heat Hera has seen some experimentation with both athena cast and poseidon cast, both of which feel about equal in their own ways to aphrodite cast or basing damage off of attack

Hades spear's artemis attack with the serrated point hammer (as seen in vaxon's current heat wr for the aspect) can be a solid choice if you don't make mistakes.

High-heat zagspear and dadspear can be played as a special-aspect or an attack-aspect.

... and so on. Much of it is a matter of how good one is at the game and how much experience one has with the aspect, where the damage on an aspect comes from, and what the aspect struggles with.

[tepid light]

Oh damn, the dissertation here /jk

But yeah I getcha, as I said, I'm definitely happy to hear that even at high heat/speedrun levels there's still some flexibility

(Even if I never reach those levels myself aha)

[lavish sorrel]

Put an absurd amout of time into something and you'll (nearly always) get results back. Unless you correctly assert that there are more important things in life than hades the videogame, in which case good on you 😅

[fervent radish]

Not as absurd depending on the goal

[tepid light]

You know what's really absurd

Hades Discord member named Aspect of Explosive Return

[fervent radish]

There is no aspect of Lu bu

[tepid light]

And your point is

[fervent radish]

That’s pretty absurd too

[tepid light]

No u

Gottem rekt take this L

[fervent radish]

real tbh

[fervent radish]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/1i1lu9j/comment/m7wpt75/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Today(9 days ago) on Reddit

[frail marsh]

So the sack is total rng?

[fervent radish]

It’s about a 50% chance to get it in the second tunnel

But the modpack removes that rng along with other rng, so modded is more popular

[frail marsh]

oh

I thought it had a system like spelunky where if the game detects that you are probably speedrunning it just makes that some things don't appear

[fervent radish]

Nah

Pure chance lol

[frail marsh]

(In spelunky it prevents the game to give you dark levels)

[frail marsh]

damn

[fervent radish]

That sounds funny

But yeah the modpack makes the game better

Highly recommend

[old bluff]

Awful mechanic

It’s the main reason I switched to modded

I lost I think 8 sub 7 Eris runs to the sack

[graceful wraith]

Sorry to interrupt, quick question because I forgot
When does the Heat mechanic show up in the game, what triggers its introduction?

[frail marsh]

After defeteating Redacted for the first time

[old bluff]

After you beat Hades once

[graceful wraith]

Thank you both :)

[frail marsh]

It's hades aspect of the spear bad?

I maxed it out bcuz it's my favorite

[frail marsh]

Would be a great system to add tho

[fervent radish]

it's good

not great

but great isn't a relevant concern until you push heat or speed a lot

[slate python]

How can I do the quest where Orpheus teaches us to play music? I can play music with practice and I have successfully completed many escapes, but Orpheus doesn't speak.

[stiff obsidian]

no way it took you 800 hours to do this?

[lofty quiver]

seem odd, the boss pattern is different

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pkCSaIeD5Y

[old bluff]

It’s Em4

[fervent radish]

there's a pact of punishment that changes the last boss patterns

nothing suspicious

it's very fun btw, highly recommend

[signal narwhal]

.... does charon sells hammers?

since i just seen him sell one, but im 196 gold and its 200

[mint coral]

You need to play it a total of 210 times

And talk with orpheus every so often

[slate python]

I will try

[signal narwhal]

i just play it like 10 times every escape and not try particularly hard

[slate python]

how many hours did you play to finish the game with 100% achievement

and do you think I should wait for hades 2 to come out of early access?

[fervent radish]

Yes

200

[signal narwhal]

still in limit of 2 per escape?

[fierce junco]

yes

[fervent radish]

80 or so

[fervent radish]

Probably yes

It’s unpolished and unfinished right now

And there’s plenty(100s to 1000s) of hours of gameplay in 1

[slate python]

perfect

I don't know the average, but it must have felt good to finish in 80 hours.

[frail marsh]

fight me for real damn you!
no

[hushed widget]

my steam time to in game time is a bit odd lmfao

21 attempts with 13 hours played

[fervent radish]

Maybe, I don’t think about my first clears that much

i remember my very first clear, my first 32, 24/24 32 heat, and then each heat milestone above that i think

[slate python]

I was able to 100% the game in 128 attempts because sometimes I killed my character after giving a gift to complete the hearts and I repeated this often

about 110 hours

I don't think I'll go beyond 16 heat :d

[hushed widget]

i just WISSSHHHH i was good enough to kill the duo atp like damn 😭

maybe the blicky is the way to go(just unlocked)

[fervent radish]

there's plenty of info and support if you do. i would say most people who enjoy the game can do atleast 32

[slate python]

I enjoy the game but I like to overcome the challenges once, that's why I like souls-like games

hades is my first rogue-like game and I really enjoyed it but I think 32 heat is unnecessary for me

how nice for you if you enjoyed it

[hushed widget]

real asf im js struggleing rn bc i cant find a consistent way to do some things

[fervent radish]

yeah to each their own

i think up to 50 can be fairly enjoyable

[slate python]

it's really nice to make the game as difficult as you want by selecting the items there.

[fervent radish]

modular difficulty is so nice yeah

[slate python]

customization of difficulty without complicating the overall game experience is something most games don't have

[fervent radish]

ehh

i think some stuff like sack rng isn't designed for consistently clearing 50+ heat

but for the most part yeah

[fervent radish]

and yk if you ever want to, you can go from 16 to 32 in many steps

it gets easier with a good build obv

[slate python]

Yes. For missions, I sometimes set the temperature to 0.

I've actually been playing hades for the last 3 weeks and my playing time is 120 hours. I can say I'm a little bored. Maybe another time I can keep the heat high when I have expectations for hades

I meet megaira more than my family

[fervent radish]

heat is a great way to make the game less boring

[signal narwhal]

how do i get 4 aspect of fists, unlocked all other, maxed zag aspect, fough asterion with them

[slate python]

yes, but I also need to do the heat in between when switching from 16 to 32. I don't want to destroy the prizes.

[slate python]

after spending 5 titan blood in the punch, you must fight one-on-one with the bull in the elysium zone

and the guan yu aspect of the spear must be open

[fervent radish]

you won't lose the prizes

[slate python]

How

[signal narwhal]

ye done that, he said theseus beat him barehanded

but not got secret code

[fervent radish]

say if you jumped to 32, you would get the rewards for 17. if you did 32 again, you would get the rewards for 18

[slate python]

17, 18, 19,...,30, 31

[fervent radish]

and the rewards only go up to 20

you can't miss any rewards

[slate python]

Oh, that's a good thing.

thanks for the information

the most difficult thing for me in the game was to open the hidden aspect of the shield

[fervent radish]

yeah hidden aspects involve a bit of dialogue rng unfortunately

[slate python]

I talked to chaos many times and after about 10-15 escapes he said

which companion is your favorite

[hushed widget]

nvm the gun wasnt the way

actually hate this boss fight so much 🙂

[late rivet]

Which one it's probably relatable

[hushed widget]

duo

[crude bolt]

theseus?

[hushed widget]

yup, theseus and the minitar

[late rivet]

Omg bro they talk to you about freaking honor and stuff and then 2v1 you like come on (the trick is to get deflection from Athena, kill the bull first while deflecting Theseus then just kill Theseus)

[hushed widget]

athena RNG isnt good for me lmfao

[late rivet]

Athena doesn't have RNG it always deflects if you get the timing right

[hushed widget]

no i mean getting that one in specific

[late rivet]

ohhhh yeah it's difficult but mostly not too bad (especially Owl Pendant helps) and if you get the wrong one you can just die to like a crystal laser thingy

[hushed widget]

i have her keepsake i could js hope i get good RNG and if i dont she'll be in my pool n what not

alr so that was a damn lie, i dont have her keepsake i thought i did

[late rivet]

politely GET THE KEEPSAKE

[hushed widget]

im working on them allllll

im only missing 6

im making good progress so far

23 or 24 runs and i have 18 of the keepsakes

im saving up 30 keys now and then ima hopefully beat the duo(hopefully before then but yk)

i have titan blood i cant use and ego i cant feed this game is going amazing

[fervent radish]

gun you can do dio or lightning on attack with static discharg

and tidal dash

[hushed widget]

i was doing lightning and crit chance

im rerunning it with the gun

[gusty blade]

oh never knew that

[gusty blade]

only if you don’t have insane dps, like if you have lucifer or a good arthur build so you can kill both of them simultaneously

[gusty blade]

(or just a special rail build in general now that i think abt it)

[tight pond]

Nemesis: the forced gambling is really frustrating. I beat chaos before I beat nemesis. Before I even came close. Especially in the early game every single time she appears there's not a sense of "ok, try hard, you might win" but rather a "welp there goes my gold"

[rustic vale]

[hushed widget]

i have it now dw

[crude bolt]

Should I give bouldy more nectar or save it for other characters?

[hushed widget]

which one is bouldy

[fierce junco]

save it

[gusty blade]

the only rsn to ever give bouldy nectar is if you’ve maxed nectar w/ all other characters

[fierce junco]

sisyphus boulder, allows giving it nectar after advancing sisyphus relationship

[gusty blade]

no you don’t need to give bouldy nectar

only talk to bouldy

oh wait i misread it lmao

[fierce junco]

yeahhhh

[hushed widget]

does he give you better drops when upgraded?

[gusty blade]

they stay the same no?

[hushed widget]

also simular question, does charon give better shops/cheaper prices with max gifts

[mint coral]

no

[gusty blade]

no, only if you get card

[rustic vale]

Other thing, every time you call ‘em duo instead of Heroes it throws me so hard 🗿

Cuz duo is the term for like.. the boons of the same name

[hushed widget]

sorry im not used to this games terms yet, ill attempt to remeber to call em heroes instead of duo

[fervent radish]

wrong game. please delete this message and move to the hades 2 channels

[hushed widget]

are some of the trophys pure RNG and others js getting late game damage

[hushed widget]

like for example, beating thanatos by 15, is that js late game damage, then for use a gods call agenst them in trial RNG for you getting it early enough

[fervent radish]

@prisma stratus honestly real, it's just habit now

[cinder trellis]

Does the boss count as a single encounter even though he has 2 phases?

[fervent radish]

Yes

[cinder trellis]

Dang

[fervent radish]

I mean you’re only in the room once

[winter scarab]

Yes

[prisma stratus]

*Yes-Sir.

[raw apex]

you can steal kills from him or be fast

[hushed widget]

ive tried that but i deal maybe 20 damage to enemys with 400ish HP it just doesnt go well lol

[prisma stratus]

It was so funny seeing Death the first time. I was like dang. Death is literally here to kill me. I guess it's truly over lol

[raw apex]

What are you trying with, and did you have an attack boon? Also, it's probably better to just ignore the fact that trophy exists because you will eventually just get it without trying

[bronze drift]

A heated discussion once again I see

[hushed widget]

the pew pew and aprodite 138% damage increase(this was before i was special spamming)

[bronze drift]

With what weapon?

And aspect

[fervent radish]

the rail should not be used with a % attack except for hestia

[hushed widget]

ammo aspect the gun

[raw apex]

10*2.38 is not a high number, yeah percentage increases are bad with non-hestia

[hushed widget]

this was my first run with the gun😭 i didnt know

[raw apex]

Fair

[fervent radish]

ah yeye

basically zeus attack is best

[bronze drift]

Yeah

[hushed widget]

i had ares doom on every attack and the one that let it stack multiple times which was slamming everything, but raw damage, i did nothing

[raw apex]

Some advice: Rebind the reload key to somewhere you're comfortable pressing, and get used to reloading right before you dash

[hushed widget]

its already on my space bar loll

[prisma stratus]

You're playing with keyboard? Dude you're so cool .

[hushed widget]

did i do something wrong?

[tepid light]

Pretty sure most people play with keyboard

[hushed widget]

is keybkard sacred and disliked here or sum😭

[tepid light]

no

as i said

pretty sure kbm is the most common way of playing

[hushed widget]

tbh controller would be better for me if it has 360 aiming

[prisma stratus]

Lies

[hushed widget]

truth? i play 85% of my bullet hells on controller😭

only reason it isnt 100% is bc cave interactive LTD exists

[prisma stratus]

Nice

[hushed widget]

i would likly be able to play this better on roller than MNK js need to fine tune everything again

[rustic vale]

It does

Controller Hades is super ez

[rustic vale]

I don’t think this is trueee

[tepid light]

It's easier to access a keyboard and mouse than it is a controller, no?

[rustic vale]

Yeah but consoles are directly meant for gaming

[slate python]

the bow and the gun are beautiful on the gamepad

it's a pleasure with both.

dash + strike combo is easier on the keyboard

I can't special attack very fast when using the gamepad because both dash, strike and special attack are on separate buttons and pressing quickly sometimes confuses me

😔

[gusty blade]

what’s the easiest h32 pact

[indigo badge]

there's one pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[gusty blade]

can you link it?

[void vigil]

kbm foreverrrrr

I think both control very well

[indigo badge]

bruh

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[slate python]

I tried it and after doing 32 heat I found that I couldn't pass the 3rd phase of hades. hades is really hard when the heat is high. Maybe I can try another time with a nice build

;(

[indigo badge]

you can use em3 so he doesn't have a third phase

add heat on other pacts

[slate python]

The challenges that locked Nyx's mirror and asked me to sell boons are unfortunately very challenging

but I will try what you say and create a reasonable difficulty

[bronze drift]

So what’s your favorite aspect?

[tepid light]

FOOOOL

EM4 GAMERS FOREVER

But real talk I'm a forever advocate of people choosing their pacts/heat modifiers entirely on their own rather than just following 'recommended' heat setups

Because everyone has somewhat different preferences

Even if the differences might not be huge

[slate python]

It's not my favorite, but I like the hidden aspect of the sword. I opened it to see why people were so down on it, and it's not that bad.

[bronze drift]

Yeah it’s nice

[slate python]

1 minute

[bronze drift]

I like attack Artemis

Preferably heroic ofc

[slate python]

My favorite aspect of demeter (twin fist)

[old bluff]

Fist Gang!

[hushed widget]

fists are amazing negl

[slate python]

an aspect where I can use the special attack effectively

[hushed widget]

theyre rewarding 👍

[slate python]

I tried playing with a shield in hades but the hits were slow compared to sword and fist so I had to give up

I like to play offensively

[hushed widget]

im not good with shield bc its only 1 attack then your hold then special

[slate python]

I tried Dionysus' build on the bow with aspect of chiron but after playing twin fist I couldn't play anything else :D

[hushed widget]

fr me with the blicky

blicky and spear best of both world for me

[slate python]

the spear can hit long distances easily and that's why I always played with the spear in the beginning

a weapon that can hit both fast and far.

[hushed widget]

spear was my first hydra clear and seperate sister clear so i like it

blicky is just OP with ares as your damage boon

[slate python]

I cleaned the first three floors with a spear.

[hushed widget]

ive only beaten the heros once

[slate python]

Ares I don't know

[bronze drift]

Spear must be the one I least use

Tbh

[hushed widget]

ares and then get the skill that lets you stack his doom

[slate python]

I tried the duo of Athena and Ares but for some reason I was not satisfied

[hushed widget]

bc its high hit rate either that or zues but zues lacks the raw damage output of it imho

[old bluff]

Did you have Divine Dash?

[bronze drift]

Did that with the fists

[slate python]

it's a really nice build, but I don't think I like Ares enough.

[old bluff]

You need Jolted

[slate python]

me too

[hushed widget]

lolll

[bronze drift]

Ares my one true love

[slate python]

I didn't get Ares' spell because Nyx didn't activate the magic feature on his mirror.

[bronze drift]

Don’t mind auto correct

[slate python]

dropping a knife when you dash doesn't work on moving enemies

I don't usually use the special abilities of weapons, so I haven't used Ares much.

[bronze drift]

Dropping a knife?

[old bluff]

Doom

[bronze drift]

When did we move to real life

[bronze drift]

Oh

[slate python]

Apfrodite?

🥺

[bronze drift]

It’s a sword isn’t it?

[slate python]

I use translation, I don't know how well it translates

I'm talking about the ability to dash

[bronze drift]

Now I am officially

Confused

[slate python]

"Blade Dash"

"Your Dash creates a Blade Rift where you started."

[old bluff]

Ohhhhhhhh

[bronze drift]

Oh oh oh

[old bluff]

Ye

[bronze drift]

Ok

[slate python]

I couldn't use this boon very functionally

😔

[old bluff]

Moving enemies kinda suck

[slate python]

Absolutely.

[bronze drift]

That’s why if I do blade rift it’s on cast

With Artemis’s duo

[prisma stratus]

The game tells you it's recommended you play with a controller. I. Think

[bronze drift]

Fun stuff

[old bluff]

I think it only does that when you plug in a controller

[bronze drift]

I honestly play on my phone

Cause it’s free on Netflix and I ain’t got no money

😔

But I wanted to get it on my computer for a while

[slate python]

is netflix free

🥹

[bronze drift]

Yes

But I got hades II on my computer

[slate python]

I canceled my membership after the recent hikes, so I don't know.

[prisma stratus]

Hiking sounds fun

[bronze drift]

It’s been on there for like 7 months or more now

How recent were those hikes? Also wdym hikes?

[slate python]

I don't remember, but I bought a subscription from the affordable package because I was a student. When the prices were increased twice recently, I canceled my membership and I haven't looked at the subscription prices for a long time.

[bronze drift]

Oh

Fair enough

[slate python]

netflix is the best in terms of price performance

[prisma stratus]

Yes

[slate python]

you can play hades :d

[bronze drift]

Anyways gtg, was fun, death is inevitable and all •<•

[tepid light]

I don't recall that whatsoever

[prisma stratus]

If I find that I'll post in images channel. And if I do. You have to call me King

[tepid light]

?????

[prisma stratus]

Thank you

[fervent radish]

It is only when you plug one in

[bronze drift]

Death approaches

[fervent radish]

Real

[prisma stratus]

I sent you the proof . It only appears once you plug in or activate a controller . Never doubt me ever again. I am 6ft

[tepid light]

....So you were wrong, then. It doesn't recommend you use a controller in general.

It just for some reason says it when you already have a controller plugged in.

[lavish sorrel]

yeah that message only appears if you already have a controller plugged in. and it's inaccurate, kbm and controller have been shown to be equal on average

[tepid light]

I mean I'm alright with being proven wrong on whether kbm is more popular than controller

But at this point the convo's derailed quite a bit lmao

[prisma stratus]

No

[prisma stratus]

Literally obtuse. Bye

[tepid light]

????????????

[lavish sorrel]

mate, listen, you've got a biased perspective here. if instead of blindly denying provable statements you looked at the speed-boards, you'd see it's mainly (but not exclusively) played by controller people due to the extra movement, whereas challenge-categories mainly (but again, not exclusively) are played by kbm players for the extra predictability and control it has.

[prisma stratus]

No

[tepid light]

Yes

[bronze drift]

Lad

[fervent radish]

Oh if it wasn’t clear, I know this guy from another server. He’s like this

Best you can do is not take it personally

Oh he’s also gone.

Farewell rocket man

[bronze drift]

Oh I didn’t even bother to read all of what he wrote

I just saw he wrote mate so I wrote lad

[broken galleon]

hi guys

Playing first Hades

and demeter isnt coming

is that hidden mechanic?
cuz i maxed "relationship" with ares

[fervent radish]

you have to beat the final boss to meet demeter

you can also use her keepsake to force her

[broken galleon]

lol

i love my memoru

thank u

i thought im doing something wrong)

[bronze drift]

K

[hushed widget]

see im at a tough cross road rn, tryna decide between taking less damage all together but ik it gets less bonus from fruits, or get less damage from enemys who are hit with weak which scales alot higher with fruits alot faster which would you guys go

[fervent radish]

what are the names of the boons

also they're both just ok

having weak is already the most significant damage reduction

[hushed widget]

i forgot but one was diffrent league and the other i forgot

[rustic vale]

Less damage from foes that are weakened is significantly stronger last I checked because it adds to the weaken debuff iirc

Rather than the multiplicative bonus that every other dr has

[hushed widget]

alrighty gtk for next time

im finally consistantly beating the heros now 😇 but i cant beat the 5 gates in the next floor 💀 im literally dieing to basic enemys

idk what the problem with them is or what i should be taking with me for when i go there but its a struggle and idk why

[rustic vale]

You don’t really need anything specific for styx

[hushed widget]

is that what the area is called?

idk how im now not struggleing with the boss but im morely struggleing with common enemys

maybe the inclosed rooms and tightly pact ones too

[rustic vale]

Mmm Tidal Dash is a pretty universal counter to the small styx rooms

but aside from that your regular build should be fine

[hushed widget]

im js taken to much damage and cant heal it back

[rustic vale]

Whenever you find the bag you’ll have a fountain

but before that you have to strike the right balance of offense and just staying away from the enemies

some rooms you can just camp out if your offence isn’t strong enough because you’re on one side of a pit and the enemies are on the other

[signal narwhal]

31/96 life no revive, time to get one shotted by last boss 😄

[signal narwhal]

Does attack damage chaos boon increase things like doom on attack or only hit part?

[old bluff]

Only hit

[signal narwhal]

yay my first win with a spear

merciful end thing

gonna get soo much titan blood from that prophecy

[signal narwhal]

just spend like 12 blod to unlock mising aspects, shoulb better spend to max one but what happen that happen

oh i can load save

[bright wraith]

Hey just wondering. Can you share art here?

[fervent radish]

Bro waited less than a minute

[fervent radish]

I think there’s a channel for that yeah

#fan-works

[burnt fiber]

Does anyone else feel that without Dionisous's and Hermes's Boons included in the common lineup that the game game can feel pretty redundant and almost repetitive? I unfortunately find myfelf sticking with similar builds because the two of them were so much fun in H1. But now they are kind of... meh... At least In HD1, if you got screwed with godsyou could often roll a goood enough boon from Hermes, Demeter, and/or Dionisous to somewhat guarantee success. Now it feel like, "well I might as well try to finish it out and win with my blessed sharpened caulking gun" Although H2 still a pretty darn good game, I love it. I'm just offering my thoughts to improve everyone's playing experience. I hope you take this into consideration!

[fervent radish]

Wrong game

[hushed widget]

#hades2-faq

actually no H2 feedback

not FAQ

[tepid light]

I like how they copy-pasted it into each channel but didn't delete them afterwards

So there's just the same wall of text in three channels

[fierce junco]

these new bloods

[rustic vale]

Yeah

See this never would’ve happened if they just followed good game design convention and named ‘em Zagreus and Melinoe instead of Hades and Hades 2

[tepid light]

Thanks I hate it

[hushed widget]

is it realistic for somebody to beat the full game hitless?

like a full run

[fierce junco]

yes

[old bluff]

It’s not too bad

[fervent radish]

Yeah I think it’s a category extension on speedrun.com

[hushed widget]

thats Whyld

[stiff obsidian]

i did it i hated it

dont recommend

[near echo]

@crude bolt

look

[crude bolt]

hi @near echo

[lavish sorrel]

Worst category in the game, but it exists 👍

[wary iron]

Do we know of any accidental fresh file clears? Like someone just beating their game in their first ever try?

[rustic vale]

Nope

[wary iron]

Sad, maybe someday

[rustic vale]

No documentation, I honestly doubt it’ll ever happen blind

[wary iron]

I mean someone with hella luck, decent skill and wayyyy too much time on their hands just might but it’d be awesome icl

[rustic vale]

It’s also something that’ insanely hard to prove like

“I’ve never played this game b4” -> decides to record their first run and has the stars align and the skill for it?

🤔

[wary iron]

Only way is a streamer buying, downloading and first time playing it on stream (at least realistically)

[obsidian elm]

Greetings Hades people. I just finished with MAGFest (Music and Gaming Festival) and there was a band there that did metal covers of some of the first Hades songs. I'd never heard of this band, and was really happy to have caught them. Wanted to share since they didn't seem to be well known: "Premium Vintage"
They're on spotify if you want to check them out

[gusty blade]

is it possible to get 100% dmg reduction w/ an arthur setup like does it fully neutralise all dmg?

[rustic vale]

Nope

Damage reduction is multiplicative between different sources

so if you have weaken and sturdy (both are 30% damage reduction)

It’s (1-0.3)*(1-0.3) = 0.49% damage taken aka 51% damage reduction

(Aka you can never hit 100%)

[indigo badge]

but you can you reach 99.99%?

[latent moon]

I think someone modded the game to pom bronze skin to try and hit 100% damage reduction but you still take 1 damage iirc lol

[unreal mason]

Yeah, if you want to be invincible you'd need to get 100% dodge (which is possible but difficult)

[void vigil]

I have an old, olddddd video of pest mines in Tartarus doing no damage with sure footing

[void vigil]

i found it yay

[stiff obsidian]

wow

you werent kidding when you said old

[void vigil]

nope

[tepid light]

alma has my application to be the ceo of supergiant been accepted yet

[void vigil]

and then it was nerfed and sure footing could not even be pommed anymore... sad days

[void vigil]

im sure of it

[tepid light]

yay

[lavish sorrel]

I suspect it'll never happen. One would already need to have knowledge of every attack pattern and build up muscle memory for every major roadblocks' attacks in the span of like 30 seconds. That's not going to happen.

The earliest casual clear I can attest the existance of would be run 5 (by ax2u). Doing even just run 3 or run 2 would be outlandishly impressive, I can therefore not imagine run1 ever happening.

I've also in all of my research on the internet never seen anyone claim to have beaten the game first-run, without having played before.

[tepid light]

I mean I wouldn't be surprised if it's happened at some point but it just was never known about

[lavish sorrel]

There's such a prerequisite amount of knowledge required that it never will happen. No-one who plays the videogame will have watched enough hades content to memorize the dash timings by heart and be able to perform it under the pressure of "my first attempt ever"

If anyone ever claims to have done it, call it fake.

[lavish sorrel]

(If it ever does happen, it's an already experienced ff runner doing it as a meme)

[stiff obsidian]

i have beaten the game first-run, without having played before.

[lavish sorrel]

So true

[tepid light]

"False" Side indeed

[timid mortar]

Game looks so different. Ancient build

But what's that "heat skull" thing?

[void vigil]

It used to be a resource you got by beating the hydra
You got enough of that to unlock pact conditions, and you get a darkness bonus according to what you have active

The video is from 2019, from… may, I believe? I will have to check later if it’s crucial

[tepid light]

ahhhh, 2019

back when Bananas was still a good gamer

[latent moon]

Imagine ever being good at the game

Also I'm pretty sure I started playing in 2021 lmao

[tepid light]

Damn you lost your skill two years before you even started

[gusty blade]

oh too bad

[signal narwhal]

"i bought it early access
before there was any boss beside the 1st one
played every time they added boss till hades which probably is last one and beat him like 2-3 times and was done
easy game just get the red boon and then apples"
Eh, there goes my plan to get frend into hades

[indigo badge]

may i inquire, what is this "red boon" that makes the game easy?

[signal narwhal]

i guess doom

[crude bolt]

ares boons with athena or aphrodite make the game easy

[fervent radish]

athena yes, aphro less so

not really synergy between them

[crude bolt]

I just like it more

without having to constantly reapply it there is still tons of dmg

by the way do those two duos have synergy? Like if I deflect an enemy with doom and they already have weak does it reapply still?

[fervent radish]

probably?

idk ares-aphro duo isn't that strong

ideally you can dash strike to apply doom and proc it in the same movement

[crude bolt]

hmmm but that means you are confident in getting that boon duo from the first Ares you pick up

[fervent radish]

not really

[crude bolt]

but ares attack usually sucks

[fervent radish]

usual merciful end build path is start ares attack, get athena special, then the duo, then divine dash

[fervent radish]

it's actually quite strong by itself

[crude bolt]

it is but why athena special?

[fervent radish]

unless bow or rail

because merciful end is the duo boon

you can only get duo boons if you have certain boons from two gods

[crude bolt]

Hear me out here
Aprodite-Ares duo
Athena-Ares duo
Use Malphon
Put Ares on special
Athena on attack
and Aphrodite on dash

[crude bolt]

and athena special is required?

[fervent radish]

for the duo boon yes

[fervent radish]

not worth shooting for a whole other duo boon just to apply doom

you'd rather have attack

[crude bolt]

this may be why i never get it

I guess so yeah

[fervent radish]

you can check boon requirements in the codex

under olympians

[crude bolt]

YOU CAN DO THAT?!

[fervent radish]

you might have to buy it from the contractor

but yeah

[crude bolt]

I got that a while ago and never used it ;-;

Wouldn't it still be better to purge the Athena special later in favor of some other god though?

[fervent radish]

as long as you have divine dash maybe

if you need the money

could also open up deadly reversal

[crude bolt]

thats the artemis-athena one right?

[fervent radish]

ye

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CPvQPqeeFE--dGgK62iVHx6Gwy7c8trb75RkEd9uK0I/edit?usp=sharing

this is a good guide for building ME on fists but it applies to other weapons too

[hollow rain]

ok I cleared all weapons at 32, got all the bounties, I think I delayed heat 40 enough, time to suffer!

[gusty blade]

does hades count as an encounter (doing keepsakes achievement)

[mint coral]

Yeah

[gusty blade]

alr ty

[tribal anvil]

I could finally use the little bit of Titan blood I have, but I don't know what to apply it to! It's pretty hard to come by, too

[fervent radish]

what weapon do you like most

[tribal anvil]

I'm torn between the sword and fists

[fervent radish]

nemesis and demeter are both very strong aspects you can invest in

but you'll eventually get enough blood to max everything so i wouldn't worry about it too much

[cinder trellis]

I feel unclean after that win

[fervent radish]

wrong game/channel

[solid igloo]

Oop

[fervent radish]

😔

all g

[solid igloo]

At least I censored it haha

Finished this game but building up stuff. Still obviously missing bits! Grinding through 1 as best I can between playing 2 and other games

[signal narwhal]

just got friendzoned for all eternity

[tepid light]

dusa?

[signal narwhal]

yep

[tepid light]

tbh I appreciate that they did that cause platonic close friendships are undervalued in media

friendship is important, not everything needs to lead to romance

[hallow fern]

makes no sense for divine dash not to contribute to merciful end prerequisite

it deflects and dashes usually contribute to duo boons

[copper wing]

what do you think about hades? i am going to download it and try it 🙂

[indigo badge]

you know you will get a very biased opinion here right?

[lavish sorrel]

Used to be that way in early access, but it was too strong so it was changed

[lavish sorrel]

Game is good until you try to push the limits of it. Then it's terrible

So yeah would recommend spending at least 100 hours in it, but probably not thousands

[copper wing]

No 😅

[indigo badge]

everyone here's obviously a big fan of the game

[copper wing]

Yeah ofc, but everyone have different expierences of games

[indigo badge]

well i really liked it, played about 100 hours
once you're done with all the story content you can keep pushing for more gameplay but i stopped at that point

[copper wing]

Okay thanks thats good to know ☺️

[near echo]

I recently got it and it has been a pretty fun experience

[dark oxide]

can i link my switch, steam and epic accounts for hades to have just one save file for all?

[lavish sorrel]

Hades on both steam and epic read from the same save folder on your computer and hence should be interchangeable, but not sure about switch.

[dark oxide]

ok

[limpid cave]

is there a list anywhere of purgable boons?

[mint coral]

The non purgables are easier to list

Dio's nectar boon/pos's (I always mix them up) resource drop boon/dem's nourished soul and rare crop

Chaos can't be purged then rest is fair game

[limpid cave]

Aprho's life affirmation is purgable then?

[mint coral]

Yup

[limpid cave]

neat, thanks

[jovial dove]

doing a run rn using a build i found on youtube and i thought it was unwinable but hey things are looking up and looking good

managed to get epic tier aphro attack, ares special, and artemis cast

only a common tier athena dash

but hey its still a good dash

[tepid light]

athena dash is athena dash yeh

the damage literally does not matter

the effect is unchanged

[jovial dove]

just before theseus and asterius and i can choose between parting shot last stand or brilliant riposte

[jovial dove]

true

[tepid light]

what's last stand, again?

[jovial dove]

replenishes 1 use of death defiance (i have 2/3 left) and makes dd give back more hp

its rare so its 12% more hp restored with dd

[tepid light]

Take that 10000000%

[jovial dove]

i was thinking that too

plus parting shot isnt one of the duo boons in the build im doing

[tepid light]

If you had full dd's you could consider the other options

But as it stands?

[jovial dove]

fr

yeah only reason im down 1 is because in asphotle (i butchered the spelling i know i forgor) the ring of casters got me cus i was low on hp

i hate that level lol

i didnt have athena's dash yet so it was kinda annoying

[tepid light]

was about to ask

with any reflect, that fight is hilariously easy

[jovial dove]

ight here goes aspect of nemesis heat 1 vs thesesus and asterius

wonder how long this is gonna take

i picked up proud bearing and aphrodite's call as well as clouded judgement earlier on so thats gonna be useful

[tepid light]

heat level 1?

that shouldn't be all that different from the regular fight

[jovial dove]

true

i just yesterday beat the base thing with no pact of punishment

[tepid light]

ah, first time win?

[jovial dove]

yup

[tepid light]

congrats!

[jovial dove]

just got the game a few days ago

30th attempt i got my first win

[tepid light]

good progress!

[jovial dove]

ah yes 1 hit from full gauge aphro and theseus looses 25% of his hp

i mean he takes more damage cus i picked up the +dmg vs weakened enemies boon

i forgot what its called

[tepid light]

Sweet Surrender

That one's quite nice if you've got aphro strike (which you do)

[jovial dove]

yeah i didnt get lower than 50% hp

took out theseus first this time around

[tepid light]

What modifier did you take for the 1 point of heat, out of curiosity?

[jovial dove]

to be fair i got the dialauge saying i wanted him dead first

[jovial dove]

just 1 level of calisthenics program

so only +15% hp to all enemies

[tepid light]

very respectable (at least in my opinion)

[jovial dove]

seems easy for a beginner

the fight went surprisingly well

[dark oxide]

What is the best way to beat hades? i'm on one heat with the heat being enemies are protected from 1st hit

[jovial dove]

id say swap to the +enemy hp thing

if you're looking for a good weapon or build to melt enemies i found a funny one that uses aspect of zeus chaos sheild

[tepid light]

eh at literally just 1 heat, there's really not much of a difference from the regular fight as i said earlier

[mint coral]

What wep are you doing with dc1? @dark oxide

[jovial dove]

im personally doing blade and ive gotten to styx now

oooo i just got a legendary

unhealthy fixation

[mint coral]

Dad himself doesn't change much but making every enemy survive one more can lead you to arrive to him with less hp than usual

[tepid light]

chance to stun whenever you apply weak, right?

[mint coral]

Charm

[jovial dove]

chance to charm ye

for 4 second

and considering my attack is heartbreak strike

its pretty good id say

[tepid light]

that one's fun, but just remember that if dad gets charmed while using an attack, he will use that attack again right after the charm wears off

[mint coral]

Is like, decent

[tepid light]

so don't meme yourself

[jovial dove]

oo noted

[mint coral]

And charm lasts 1/3rd of the usual on bosses

[dark oxide]

im running twin fits

[tepid light]

this too yeah

[jovial dove]

question

for blood frenzy, does it stack if dd is used multiple times per encounter?

[mint coral]

Nah

[jovial dove]

so should i pick up dire misfortune or that

[tepid light]

given that twin fists is a pretty fast weapon, dc1 shouldn't be much of a problem

one single punch removes the block

[jovial dove]

battle rage is also an option but idk

[mint coral]

I still don't like dc on fists tbh

Also dunno what build they are running

[dark oxide]

ik, i suck with the attack patterns tho

[tepid light]

practice practice practice

[jovial dove]

fr

plus

you have all the time in the world to practice

..well zag does at least

[mint coral]

Fists are great when constantly stunning enemies

One more hit can absolutely lead to extra dmg taken

Also I think I have a dad fight recorded with fists?

Let me check

[jovial dove]

i think ill take blood frenzy cus i know for a fact ill end up using at least one dd

[dark oxide]

ive beat the game once with twin fists, i can clear the first 2 worlds quick with them

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/JtRUgvxIN20

No divine dash

I take my time with it so you can see his patterns

Can also see how effective acorn keepsake is and call iframes

[signal narwhal]

i hate shield enemy so much

[jovial dove]

based

[signal narwhal]

couldnt kill one fast enough and it regenerated like 6 times and i died

on rama bow

[rustic vale]

it's definitely more viable at like... 1 heat

it just compounds every other heat option as you start adding the rest

[jovial dove]

and here comes big man

OH THIS IS NEW LORE TO ME

[signal narwhal]

and now since i died i cant reset run and spend blood i wasted on upgradiung bow somewhere else

[dark oxide]

thx

[jovial dove]

ive always wondered

wait nvm

boiling blood is just the same as what zag has isnt it

[mint coral]

Yeah

You take +100% dmg from his atks

[rustic vale]

boiling blood but Hades version is twice as strong

[tepid light]

a very common sentiment

[signal narwhal]

they arent that bad on faster weapon, that bow just takes ages to draw

and didnt had decent dash boon

[mint coral]

Are you dash striking

[jovial dove]

and he falls once more

[signal narwhal]

do we get enough ambrosia and blood to let dusa keep hers?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[jovial dove]

lachu you know about the shop in the lounge right

you can (if you have enough stuff) get more blood and ambrosia

oooo this could be a good dea

do i spend 15 keys to get another titan blood

or save the 30 i have for the next mirror upgrade

[mint coral]

How much darkness you have

[jovial dove]

243

[mint coral]

Just get the blood

[jovial dove]

ive gotten down to the mirror thing that gives you increased rare boon chance

[jovial dove]

bet

[mint coral]

Last skills are epic/duo chance and room/boon rerolls

Boons first upgrade is 1k

[jovial dove]

dang

ight

good to know

[mint coral]

Also if you can swap talents already swap rare boons to its counterpart

[jovial dove]

dark foresight?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[jovial dove]

any good builds i could try?

[mint coral]

Wep/aspect?

[jovial dove]

i havent used spear or bow much

however sheild has +darkness rn

[mint coral]

What do you have unlocked for shield

[jovial dove]

zeus lvl 2 and i havent unlocked chaos yet or upgraded zag one either

and i have 4 titan blood

[mint coral]

I assume you have done zeus + zeus special already?

[jovial dove]

nah i was doing a run earlier that was supposed to melt enemies by using merciful end with ares atk and athena special

and it did indeed melt enemies

[mint coral]

Oh ME lmao

That was gonna be my other suggestion

[jovial dove]

i havent tried zeus and his special yet

[mint coral]

Zeus^2 is zeus special into static discharge and focus poms on it

[jovial dove]

oo

[mint coral]

Then anything else is a bonus

[jovial dove]

so no other specifics? ight nice

i think imma try that

[mint coral]

Double strike/high voltage for his legendary
Take call then Aphrodite for their duo

[jovial dove]

and i can upgrade aspect of zeus since i have enough blood

[mint coral]

Or take arty for zeus-arty

[jovial dove]

arty?

[mint coral]

Artemis

[jovial dove]

o

[jovial dove]

zeus' call i assume?

[mint coral]

Yeah

Dio call can work too

Or frankly anything that is not arty's

From hermes you want the usual hyper sprint + rush delivery

[tepid light]

What is this smair propaganda i see

[jovial dove]

ight so dio or zeus call, aphro or arty attack, any others?

[tepid light]

Deesgoistang

[mint coral]

Your usual athena if you want extra defense ig

[jovial dove]

ah yes divine dash

w dash

[mint coral]

And explosive return best hammer

[jovial dove]

ight

what should i add for a second heat? ive already beaten dc1 with sheild

[mint coral]

Could do dc2 lmfao

Or em1/dc1

[jovial dove]

whats em1

[mint coral]

Ah, abbreviations pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[jovial dove]

the 3 bottom things?

[jovial dove]

cheers

[mint coral]

Extreme measures

Extra boss moves

1 only affects the furies so after that you pretty much are playing at 1 heat

Could also do bp1 to start working on its prophecy

It gives some blood iirc

Or gems?

[jovial dove]

ngl this whole time i thought dc1 was just heat 1

[signal narwhal]

arty miss

[jovial dove]

i did cp1

[tepid light]

I forgot how weird the heat increases are for em

Each rank increases heat more

[mint coral]

If your timer is fine can always do timer 1 too

[rustic vale]

billowing nice

especially on a zeus^2 build with zeus call

[mint coral]

Right

[jovial dove]

my runs are all like 30m at least

lol

[mint coral]

Oopsie daisy

30m is fine for first timer

[rustic vale]

first timer gives you 36 minutes across the whole underworld

[mint coral]

Your remaining time stacks between regions

[jovial dove]

ah

[rustic vale]

any time you have left over at the end of a region carries over

[jovial dove]

so td1/cp1 could work

[rustic vale]

even if you hit 0s you take 5 damage a second rather than the run being over

[jovial dove]

or td1/em1

or dc1

idk

[mint coral]

I'd do em1/td1

[jovial dove]

ight

[mint coral]

Cp/dc are what causes the usual "I can't beat timer" -> has every time consuming pact activated

[jovial dove]

lol

ight lets try this

[tepid light]

Just don't take timer instead

[rustic vale]

just don't take cp/dc

[tepid light]

Just don't take timer

[jovial dove]

aphro/arty attack
zeus special
any cast
Athena dash
dio/zeus call
hyper + rush
any other info or do i got it all

[rustic vale]

me when I take the two pacts that make every other pact worse

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-ishowspeed-gif-1290931606264393136

[tepid light]

hot take: td also makes every other pact worse

no i have no bias how dare you suggest that

[rustic vale]

DC and CP increase the amount of time each enemy lives for, giving them more chances to hit you, you more chances to slip up, and you have to deal with the threat of more enemies for a longer duration of time. That measureably kicks up the difficulty in a way td doesn't

[jovial dove]

w first dio i get his call

[rustic vale]

that only gets worse and worse when enemies are dealing more damage, attacking faster, bosses have more deadly attack patterns, there are more minibosses per miniboss room, etc

[jovial dove]

also got er on hammer which is nice

[fervent radish]

This is more of a niche high heat thing, but epic aphro special is just as good if not better than Zeus+static discharge as long as you’re using explosive return a lot

[jovial dove]

im on low heat lol i just unlocked the heat system yesterday

[fervent radish]

Yeah just letting you know that zeus^2 isn’t the only option

[jovial dove]

good to know :D

[fervent radish]

It works at any heat

[tepid light]

Messing around with boons and trying out builds on impulse is part of the fun anyway imo

[fervent radish]

You can also do dio or ares(best) on attack

Or Athena on attack and Poseidon on dash

[tepid light]

Once more I wish the other dashes were remotely near the level of athena/poseidon

[jovial dove]

i could get dio attack or make hangover slow enemies

or strong drink but eh

[rustic vale]

wdym, lightning reflexes and hyper sprint are right there

[rustic vale]

slow or strong drink if you have dio call

[jovial dove]

i do have dio call

[rustic vale]

you don't want two hangover sources

[tepid light]

🗿

[rustic vale]

since they'll overwrite each other

so you can easily end up losing all your dio call damage

[jovial dove]

slow is epic tier but sd is common

thinking of picking slow

[mint coral]

If is still tart I'd take drink

[tepid light]

If only hangover only overrode itself if the new source had higher damage than the old one

[mint coral]

12% global is 12% global

(or more if lucky)

[rustic vale]

-> pathway straight to infinite duration dio call stacks

[jovial dove]

sd is sadly common

ill take slow

w we get a shop right after

could get hyper from this hermes thing

[tepid light]

Even if it was only common, strong drink in tartarus is still quite tempting

[rustic vale]

... that doesn't change their comment about 12% being 12% (or more)

[jovial dove]

true

dang no hyper

[rustic vale]

you can find other fountains too so like

[fervent radish]

Strong drink is kinda ok anyways

[jovial dove]

ig swift flourish

[rustic vale]

what are your other options

[fervent radish]

All you really need from dio is call

[rustic vale]

swift flourish doesn't do much on zeus last I checked

[jovial dove]

swift flourish and strike and then side hustle

[rustic vale]

only has to do with throw speed

[fervent radish]

It does change how it feels

[tepid light]

i might actually suggest side hustle here

[fervent radish]

Not necessarily for the better, but that’s just my muscle memory

[tepid light]

other two just aren't it

[rustic vale]

I'd take side hustle

[jovial dove]

noted

[tepid light]

free money, at least

[jovial dove]

i could buy this other random boon

[rustic vale]

that occasion where swift strike or flourish are the correct play are few and far between

[jovial dove]

i can afford it

[rustic vale]

do you have a full godpool atp

[jovial dove]

btw this shop is just before fury fight

[jovial dove]

nah only thing i have is call and special

[rustic vale]

actually nvrmind it's tart odds are you don't

[jovial dove]

yeh

[rustic vale]

god pool has to do with which gods boons you have

not your cores

[jovial dove]

o

then i have no clue

[rustic vale]

once you take boons from 4 gods your pool is full and the game stops showing you others

minus hermes and chaos they don't count

[jovial dove]

i only have from dio zeus and hermes

o

so yeah i only have dio and zeus

worth buying?

[rustic vale]

I can't see any harm taking it aside from rolling ares tbh

[tepid light]

I'd go for the random boon but I like gambling

[jovial dove]

PFFT

as you said ares i got ares

[tepid light]

VENGEFUL MOOD TIME

[rustic vale]

having all 3 flat damage gods is not ideal imo