#h1-discussion

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mint coral
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What zeus boons do to a mf

latent moon
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So 7/8 chance they had a crappy attack lmao

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If they do like it it might be bc of the special

stiff obsidian
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yeah 9/10 i see people with like

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athena attack

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and it hurts inside

old bluff
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Also the Aim at Cursor thing or Reload being on a terrible bind def has an impact

north sandal
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the bow lmfao

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i won by a very thin and i mean thin margin

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rail wasnt actually that bad

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i do like the spear the best tho

hollow granite
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I don't hate it. My first win with it was just bad is all. It was like death via a thousand cuts. And Hades can take a thousand more

stiff obsidian
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what attack did you use

north sandal
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i had a pretty good build on both my recent attempts

hollow granite
rustic vale
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any other strike

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I feel like building rail is like the biggest no brainer ever though

hollow granite
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Is zeus and rail, good? I didn't really notice anything exceptional about the combination. But maybe I'm wrong

rustic vale
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It’s the best strike by a mile

old bluff
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Did you have jolted

latent moon
rustic vale
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At least a +10 from the lightning on each shot is doing so much more than any strike boon before you factor in the added aoe, potential rarity and pom boosting pushing it farther, static discharge, splitting bolt, speeding up your call gauge charge by a ton

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Every +% strike boon on rail is just sad and pathetic if you don’t find spreadfire and that’s pretty much something you exclusively even consider taking on zagreus rail

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Doom just doesn’t fall fast enough to outpace lightning strike, hangover lacks the immediate damage and aoe of zeus

solid prism
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does anyone have a reason why dusa requires so much more ambrosia than everyone else

solid prism
# mint coral restocking the lounge

I've already been spoiled about her offering it back and while I kinda want to let her keep it as a gesture of kindness
it's so much ambrosia

mint coral
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it is yeah zaglol

amber oriole
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Does the bonuses from Plume/Butterfly persist if you swap Keepsakes mid-run?

jagged hamlet
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No

amber oriole
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Darn

fringe spire
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can we get the exact first boons in every run? if can what do i need to do?

north sandal
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Idi it

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10 runs of hades accomplished

hollow swan
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W

mint coral
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There's the odd hammer start/getting vorime'd (using all rerolls and not getting your core)

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Nothing that a quick reset can't fix

rustic vale
# fringe spire can we get the exact first boons in every run? if can what do i need to do?

you’re always at the mercy of rng on whether the first chamber of the run is a hammer or a boon, but given most of the time it is a boon, you can run the god keepsakes for the god you want.
When your core boons are completely empty (aka. You have no strike, special, cast, or dash boon), the game will always give you 3 of those as options for your boon. if you reroll, you can see other boons like their secondary boon, but you’re also guaranteed to see at least 1 core boon(iirc), no guarantee it’ll be the 1/4 you want.

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If you start with a hammer, the keepsake will keep working, you’ll just get your first boon from the god like a few chambers later

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you’ve essentially got a 3/4 chance to find the starting boon you want before rerolls

round gorge
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Rama aspect seems so much fun

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Even if the bow was already my favorite weapon

mint coral
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Rama my goat

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Beeg bow

round gorge
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In terms of fun weapons my list would probably be:
Bow
Shield
Gun
Spear
Gloves
Sword

old bluff
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Shield on top ngl

hollow granite
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Confirmed. You can obtain hammer upgrades from the Anvil which have not been fufilled as a minor prophecy, yet

hollow granite
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Is there any way to expedite quests? This is my 2nd playthrough. I'm missing the main ques epilogue, thanatos, achilies, and nyx/chaos. They haven't progressed at all in the past five or so runs

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Also missing wargods bloodlust. I don't even remember how to start that one, if it isn't a random event

gilded spear
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ou hello bits

stiff obsidian
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gilgamesh time dread

mint coral
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Going for 50?

stiff obsidian
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yeah

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athena dash start starege

brisk trail
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Besties, I did everything there is to be done in Hades 2 EA, and still have the itch to play, but the fact that there's nothing more to discover/unlock kinda ruins it for me.
Thinking about replaying Hades 1.
I'm afraid the new combat mechanics of Hades 2 may have ruined Hades 1 for me.
What's your opinion, Hades 1 still worth a replay?

mint coral
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Yeah

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Both are very different "I want a power run" feelings for me if that makes sense

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Or challenge wise too

fervent radish
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But if you find the mechanics of 2 more exciting than 1, that’s also fair

hollow granite
fervent radish
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2?

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I assume it’ll be when it releases for 1.0

hollow granite
fervent radish
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Yeah so when 2 goes for a full release it’ll probably be on all platforms

hollow granite
rustic vale
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aka when Hades 2 hits it’s 1.0 patch tizomg

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It’s in early access atm

hollow granite
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I see. So it's in early stages of development? Idk anything about devs

hollow granite
rustic vale
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Hades was the same

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You can actually go back to the early access speedrun leaderboards for Hades on apeedrun.com

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I honestly don’t know much about Hades 2 but I have seen the amount of info on the hellfire bot equivalent of Hades 2 tizomg I’d say it’s got

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quite a bit of stuff in it already

stiff obsidian
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i kind of dislike h2

hollow granite
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Chaos is in 2. That's enough for me to buy it :]

stiff obsidian
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spoilers

hollow granite
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I think it'd be cool if the third game has like a chaos realm that you can explore. Oh! Or a chaos dlc for 2. Do the devs do dlcs/expansions for their games? It's hardly necessary but it is pretty normalized

rustic vale
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The devs have stated they won’t be making dlc for Hades (or at least at the time they made the statement they thought that way)

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the story is like

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complete

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iirc from their statement

stiff obsidian
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just got an athena dd in one ely room and immediately lost it in the next

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c33 fountain c34 patty makes up for it i suppose

mint coral
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and I pray there isn't a 3rd

hollow granite
mint coral
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I love hades

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I really do

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But sgg's own worlds are just beautiful

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  • I don't want a 3rd roguelike lmao
rustic vale
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We don’t need SSG to become “the guys who make another greek mythology game every few years”

mint coral
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Their considered worst game is still my fav of their works

hollow granite
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What subject matter should they cover next, if not greek lore? I'd love to see a bullet hell based on shakespeare. The insanity of it would be divine

latent moon
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They could make their own story like they did with previous games lol

latent moon
stiff obsidian
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oh

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ill try that

mint coral
stiff obsidian
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this is my first run in like 3 days lol

hollow granite
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I didn't think anyone would use stubborn defiance. I bet it's better somehow

latent moon
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It's better at high heat

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Since you're taking lc4

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So sd becomes your "healing"

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And majority of the time the normal rooms are more dangerous than the boss rooms

hollow granite
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Ah. That sounds rough

latent moon
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Yeah

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It's not too bad once you get used to it

stiff obsidian
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epic jolt crossed out in sack room sadge

latent moon
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Rip

stiff obsidian
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last boon before going to dad, should i buy athena or aphro from end shop

fervent radish
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Athena

stiff obsidian
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why

fervent radish
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Why aphro

stiff obsidian
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why athena

fervent radish
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Holy shield potentially

stiff obsidian
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hm

fervent radish
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Aphro can give crush shot

stiff obsidian
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imagine i get an attack replace

fervent radish
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Other useless stuff idk

stiff obsidian
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i have phalanx

fervent radish
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Oh true

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Uh

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Attack replace sucks regardless

stiff obsidian
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ill not get either

fervent radish
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Might as well get a deflect

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No

stiff obsidian
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nah aphro atk goes hard on gilga

fervent radish
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Holy shield is hard gaming

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So does Athena

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What is it, like 20% diff?

brisk trail
stiff obsidian
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died to a pot

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sdvjndfv

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i took like 300 dmg in 1.3 tho

fervent radish
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Yep

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That’s the experience right there

mint coral
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I'd take it

fervent radish
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Yeah take

stiff obsidian
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TOO LAT

fervent radish
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rip

stiff obsidian
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this time i win

hollow granite
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Explosive Shot + Twin Shot. Butterfly boss died in 5 seconds 😳😳😳

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The hero bros didnt last long either. I think i might maybe like the bow, now

rustic vale
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aside from that I haven't really turned it off since I started playing 32 heat and above

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Bananas already explained y

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it's a huge change of pace but if you're trying to play the game at that difficulty you start having to change your playstyle anyways to accommodate double damage taken , 40% faster enemies, etc

north sandal
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Hey quick question

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Could I post a video of the final boss fight to show off smth or is that considered like spoilers for new people

mint coral
fervent radish
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Yep

hollow granite
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Favorite hermes for melee builds, anyone?

fervent radish
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Hypersprint and rush delivery

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Or +dashes

hollow granite
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+dashes are nice. Especially for hades and his huge long spear

stiff obsidian
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🤨

fervent radish
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Yep

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I love it when my dad uses two of his big bballs and long spear to make me earn my bonus

narrow loom
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i tried talos for the first time ever yesterday

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i think it has potential

stiff obsidian
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🙂

old bluff
mint coral
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Meet potential aspect

lavish sorrel
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potential(ly bad fistpensive)

rustic vale
mint coral
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Why do I imagine ti'zo as that one gif now

twilit lodge
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Dusted off hades for the first time in almost two years and played my hell mode save

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Good thing beo is still OP

old bluff
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Beo :)

latent moon
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beo moment

old bluff
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Best weapon in the game fr

twilit lodge
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Bananas still exists

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I got that sick sub24 beo run

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Does this bot just be annoying forever

mint coral
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Yes

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Is not its fault people miss the right chat bouldy

twilit lodge
hollow granite
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Love how the ending for every successful run is just: a thousand ways to die

twilit lodge
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It’s more like 50 ways but yes

hollow granite
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Hm. I just lost an entire run on ps4. Ashame. It was a fun one. I wish the ps4 saves were a bit less buggy. Happy to report that there were no issues on ps5

narrow loom
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I want to try hell mode

mint coral
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Is lame

twilit lodge
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Try it! Its not super terrible just mostly terrible

narrow loom
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the furthest I got on my normal save is 32 heat

rustic vale
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Sonce

narrow loom
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Idk if I should try to push higher on the normal save before going to hell

rustic vale
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It really just forces 5 heat on you out the gates

narrow loom
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Yeah

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which is making me feel like it's just redundant

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and I might drop it

rustic vale
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there’s no real difference if you’re already playing heat

narrow loom
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Yeah

twilit lodge
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Well, you’re stuck with PL which isn’t even an option on normal mode

rustic vale
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Unless you want to play a fresh save file just harder

narrow loom
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so i'll probably feel like playing hades again in the future

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so when I replay it I will play hell mode

mint coral
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When it does it hurts but eh

narrow loom
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but as of rn I don't feel like a full replay

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PL probably sucks with poison

rustic vale
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The real issue is being stuck with JS1

rustic vale
narrow loom
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I do

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I hate poison

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when I was new to the game, poison was my run ender

mint coral
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Does poison even proc the shield

narrow loom
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I can work around it now but still hate it when it happens

old bluff
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Did you know about the cure?

rustic vale
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Lots of things were run enders when u started the game

mint coral
narrow loom
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but for some reason back then I would take crazy amounts of damage from the poison

stiff obsidian
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its awesome

narrow loom
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I would die in like 2 seconds

mint coral
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Today saw a post on reddit saying how they hated poison cuz they thought the curing pools only worked post combat

old bluff
rustic vale
narrow loom
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crazy

narrow loom
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poison gets removed post combat idk how they didn't notice

old bluff
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Why were you on the Hades reddit, do you hate yourself?

fervent radish
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Oh yeah true

stiff obsidian
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true

rustic vale
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The pools literally go dry

mint coral
rustic vale
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after combat

mint coral
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Tho this one was in the home feed so eh

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Just commented the usual pause to look for the pool and styx shredder

latent moon
rustic vale
latent moon
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I've drank from a lot bc it was next to the door before

rustic vale
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2 seconds of poison ain’t that

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much

fervent radish
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Guys

rustic vale
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or maybe it is and I just don’t have poison for that long before hand

narrow loom
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I think that the problem was

narrow loom
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the snakestones and poison

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would hit me at once

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killer combo

rustic vale
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I hope so

narrow loom
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it was like 200h

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but on normal mode

rustic vale
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If you’re 400 hours in and haven’t won in hellmode you won’t win if you swap back to normal mode

narrow loom
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I understand the "turn on god mode" comments but also like

narrow loom
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I don't like god mode

fervent radish
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I don’t understand

narrow loom
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I never tried it but I don't like the idea of it

fervent radish
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I need a video of this person playing

rustic vale
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God mode just

narrow loom
rustic vale
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It ain’t the jam yk

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it’s definitely a pride thing

latent moon
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You can't turn on god mode on a hell mode save

narrow loom
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God mode feels like cheating to me and cheapens the victory imo

mint coral
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I hope their 400 hrs is actually just afk'ing

rustic vale
fervent radish
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God mode is a cheat but it’s an intended alternative experience

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It is what it is

old bluff
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They said they don't go idle much

stiff obsidian
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i crossed 2k hours recently btw

narrow loom
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Sorry if I offended any god mode users.. but that's how it is

stiff obsidian
fervent radish
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Jesus

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Didn’t we start playing around the same time?

mint coral
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You have more hours than me

narrow loom
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Yeah i know that god mode is intended and the devs added it there

mint coral
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Congrats dusa

narrow loom
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and if you use it wtv i'm not pressed

latent moon
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False side started playing like a year ago or something and I've been playing for like 3 years or something lmao

narrow loom
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but me personally I won't

stiff obsidian
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idk how ive been at 2k hours for months

latent moon
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And I have 530

narrow loom
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damn

rustic vale
mint coral
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Pretty sure I've been playing since soon after it released on switch

narrow loom
twilit lodge
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How do you even check time played I forgor

stiff obsidian
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like 5 months ago i was at 1900 and i guess thats when i burnt out'

narrow loom
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I have like 1.5k on terraria over 4 years

latent moon
rustic vale
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Switch just tells me 400 hours

twilit lodge
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Im on switch rip

rustic vale
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or 450

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Go to your own profile

twilit lodge
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250 hours or more

fervent radish
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I started November of last year and have 580

latent moon
twilit lodge
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But I’m only sub10 gang

narrow loom
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I have 134 hours on hades 1

stiff obsidian
narrow loom
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41 on h2

rustic vale
stiff obsidian
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3k? 4k+?

latent moon
twilit lodge
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Looool

stiff obsidian
latent moon
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I don't think I spent that much time on here but def a lot

old bluff
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I have like 950 or something

mint coral
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One time someone pinged me in the h2 channel "are you here all day or what"

latent moon
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Lmfao

fervent radish
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You kinda are

rustic vale
mint coral
stiff obsidian
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for me they coexist

narrow loom
stiff obsidian
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i alt tab to discord between waves,

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when my sd pops, ( that 2 second animation)

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between doors

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boss phases

rustic vale
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I alt back over to fortnite in between dash cooldowns

stiff obsidian
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free rooms

latent moon
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That's a lot of alt tabs lmao

stiff obsidian
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you win

narrow loom
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alt tab

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I actually just don't use alt tab in general

mint coral
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Sometimes I just, alt tab then forget about hades lmao

narrow loom
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idk why I do the slow way

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of minimizing

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and finding the tab I want

stiff obsidian
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im on mac so i cant alt tab at all

rustic vale
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I don’t even play on pc I can’t alt tab Hades bouldy

narrow loom
stiff obsidian
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yes i just 3 finger swipe

narrow loom
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I use mission control bcs it's easy to proc

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well alt tab is too

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but like

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Mission control is such a fluid motion I like it

rustic vale
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proc? like proc effects? ror reference!?!

narrow loom
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how is your mac for gaming

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does it do well

stiff obsidian
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yes its amazing

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got a new one

narrow loom
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I have a macbook for college but I use my pc for gaming

rustic vale
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When is Hades going to have a crossover event with my favourite roguelike, hardcore terraria

stiff obsidian
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using whiskey to try some windows games

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well the first one was h2

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since its windows only

narrow loom
stiff obsidian
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i will never play terarria

narrow loom
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i know the headloss will be insane when I die

stiff obsidian
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way too complex i dont have that kind of time

rustic vale
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Terraria was definitely never intendd to be played on anything other than classic expert

narrow loom
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I know i'll die too

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because the amount of times I die in classic runs so smth stupid

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like a boulder

narrow loom
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i'll probably lose the hardcore run within the first 30m

stiff obsidian
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whats this pfpf

mint coral
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Classic is so comfy, but I like the expert drops

narrow loom
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I only play expert

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or above

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master is kinda icky

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because boring stat bloat

rustic vale
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I’m too bad for expert but too prideful for classic

narrow loom
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but modded difficulties are my favorite

mint coral
narrow loom
rustic vale
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I think I got my expert world to hardmode finally

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uhhh

narrow loom
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that bot is so annoying

rustic vale
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He does a good job

narrow loom
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i gyess he does

rustic vale
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For me the real clencher for terraria

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Is the manual labour I have to put in

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like

narrow loom
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I hate the manual labor but at the same time I need it

rustic vale
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Exactly

twilit lodge
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I love terraria

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But there’s only so much to do on your own

narrow loom
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Because if I just gave myself the equipment and fought every boss that is so boring

rustic vale
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Like building my wall of flesh bridge, digging my hellevators

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Someone has to do it

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but

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It’s mind numbing

narrow loom
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it's a necessary sacrifice

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though I mostly play modded so I reduce the amount of labor a lot

rustic vale
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Ice skates are way too rare for no reason at all

narrow loom
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but I keep just enough so then it feels like i'm doing something

rustic vale
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like all I want is some better boots and

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can’t find crap

narrow loom
rustic vale
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I kind of want to download and play some of those player made story worlds

narrow loom
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I actually prefer it solo because I dislike the way other people play it lol

rustic vale
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I saw a bunch when I was watchi bbg people a while back and

narrow loom
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they either drag me along too fast or move too slow

rustic vale
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They definitely aren’t updated to the current version of the game thou

narrow loom
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and I have certain things I like doing that they don't and yeah just a mess

rustic vale
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I’ve tried playing with my brothers and friends and multiplayer terraria is just a mess

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idk

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Trying to build and coordinate things

narrow loom
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terraria is at its best solo

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Yeah and for some reason

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I do so much worse in boss fights in mp

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I think it's because subconsciously I just nerf myself

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and I assume that if I die I can just respawn as long as the other people stay alive

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but if i'm solo i've got me myself and I

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no one is helping me against that boss I have to keep pushing

rustic vale
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I have to strategise and prep and make sure I’ve got like

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the best gear I can for the fight before hand

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prep the arena

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I did the menial work of makjng fishing spots in nearly every biome on my world so

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I can do fishing quests and I don’t even remember why at-

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Oh

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It’s cuz I wanted the cellphone

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that’s why I was doing that

twilit lodge
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Last time I played I made fishing spots for each biome but manmade

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Was fun

narrow loom
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terraria is hard to get into rn tho

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any game tbh

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I can only play video games when I have like 12 hours straight to devote to them

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It's either all or nothing for me

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if I can't rot away in the chair for 12h a day playing then I don't want it

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it sucks because truthfully I actually do want to do something because I am bored all day but I can't build the momentum to do it

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this is because school and work take up most my time and I feel guilty devoting my undivided attention to a game so I do things like mindlessly scrolling instead

twilit lodge
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Someone talk me out of using my last save slot to try doing fresh file

mint coral
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Do fresh file

twilit lodge
rustic vale
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It wasn’t a great job

fervent radish
twilit lodge
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Betrayed all around

knotty rose
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Do we know why 'In the Blood' was taken off spotify?

mint coral
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No

knotty rose
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ok thanks

twilit lodge
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Did they ever fix beo bug?

fervent radish
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no

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still broken

twilit lodge
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Pog

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I don’t think I’m gonna try fresh file just yet

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Gonna start a new regular mode save so I can relearn the game

narrow loom
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gonna list my favorite weapons in order

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Not gonna do aspects since actually I have not played most aspects

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well I can rank the ones I played

twilit lodge
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Reached phase 2 on the 4th run of my new save

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Kind of annoyed honestly because you miss a bunch of the story if you do that

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Gonna start over

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Splash dash is just too good

twilit lodge
narrow loom
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  1. Rail
  2. Fists/Bow
  3. Bow/Fists
  4. Shield
  5. Sword
  6. Spear
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now as for aspects (ones I have played)

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  1. Eris
  2. Hestia
    3.actually this is too much weapons is fine
slate agate
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whats the highest attack damage for a main attack?

rustic vale
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Aphrodite has the highest raw damage numbers for strike and special boosting

slate agate
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fromg od boons yeah

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im wondering how big damage i acn make aspect of rama do per attack (special bow)

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also which boon/buils is best for guan yu? (Special spear), i need to get out with it but i cant

rustic vale
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You got “special spear” right because that’s how you’re going to want to build it

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throw like Heartbreak flourish on it, find charged skewer, take every chaos gate you can, and keep yourself safe at range while using the special

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and then you can do like the classic “throw zeus call on a build with aphrodite anywhere”

slate agate
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charged skwer?

rustic vale
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It’s a spear hammer

slate agate
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oh

rustic vale
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Lets you charge up your special for up to 3* the base damage

slate agate
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so 3x the healing?

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wait im dumb

rustic vale
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slate agate
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this is why i cant get any heat comp over 6

rustic vale
#

You can charge the spin in between waves but that’s not our focus

#

the special (the spear throw) is our main damage

slate agate
#

so chaos gates are just instant hp debuff

#

or do u run chaos egg

rustic vale
rustic vale
#

You just deal with it

#

make sure you have cthonic vitality on and not dark regen on your mirror

rustic vale
#

Around heat 6 you’ve got like, mechanical weapon skill, your mirror, getting a good heat pact, your build knowledge and game sense

#

Those are all usually pretty rough for people around

#

really sometimes all the way up to 20-32 heat tbh

rustic vale
#

you never know when you’re talking to someone zaggrin

slate agate
#

yeh

rustic vale
#

I’ve seen my fair share of die hard dark regen users who are just… stubborn

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Chaos is usually like

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an automatic take if you see him (although it can depend on what your door options are)

slate agate
#

yeh chaos my beloved

hollow granite
#

I wish pomegranites were in season. This game got me craving. de-licious

hollow granite
#

I can't seem to progress Queen's plan. I gave the Gods all the nectar they could take. And even some Ambrosia for a couple. In my last playthrough, the quest activated almost immediately once I fufilled the requirements. Am I missing any requirements? All the cthonic entities have also been nectar'd

mint coral
#

You get the bond after you gift them ambrosia

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After that is talking with mom until she mentions the invitations, which you need to talk to every olympian

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(if you have done the nix-chaos quest, then also invite chaos)

hollow granite
#

Ah so i have to do ambrosia on some of them. The guide didn't mention that

scarlet otter
#

can anyone help me with the aspect of lucifer for the rail gun? I've talked to zeus and got the first voiceline that you need, but i cant get the 2nd voiceline which you need to get to unlock the aspect.

stiff obsidian
#

very nice

scarlet otter
#

that's pretty much everything...

mint coral
scarlet otter
stiff obsidian
#

nice

mint coral
#

You need it revealed first before any other hidden aspect

river kelp
#

Why does it say on the wiki that Persephone's father is mortal?

mint coral
#

But yeah her father is a mortal here

stiff obsidian
river kelp
#

What does sgg mean

mint coral
#

Supergiant games, y'know, the devs

#

There are a few changes like this in the game

#

Dem's father here is hyperion

river kelp
#

Is there a specific reason for changing things like that?

mint coral
modest cipher
#

Could Rama aspect fans sell me on what they like about the bow? I feel like I'm not enjoying it as much as other weapons and I think hearing what you feel is sweet about it might help me.

fervent radish
stiff obsidian
#

its hard to use

stiff obsidian
#

me when highest base damage in the game

#

and have a hammer that can x2 or x3 that

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and have 60% multi bonus dmg

hollow granite
#

Rng is so ugh sometimes. I just wanna wrap these quests up

latent moon
twilit lodge
#

Beeg

hazy path
#

Is Twin Fists the hardest weapon to use? I’m pretty much dying a lot in Elysium.

#

Flame Wheels, The shield guys. I don’t know how to prevent myself from taking too much damage.

hollow granite
# hazy path Flame Wheels, The shield guys. I don’t know how to prevent myself from taking to...

Flame wheels. You can just outrun them. . If you dash through a wall/column as they're charging at you, they will crash into the wall. You can also dash over neutral spaces. Shield guys. They have set moves. You just avoid their moveset and dash through them. Getting behind them with melee is easier than getting behind them and then aiming a ranged weapon. Although perhaps aiming is easier on PC.

Flame wheels are like a stick of dynomite though. They will eventually explode if they chase you long enough. Also, the range of most uppercuts (fist special) is juuust long enough to take them out. If you finesse it correctly

rustic vale
hollow granite
#

Rama is a great bow. The skill ceiling is intimidating though. I prefer zag bow. Got that artemis in me. Leave it to the crit rate to carry me. Fingers crossed

twilit lodge
#

Zag bow hurts my thumb

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But it is fun

jagged hamlet
#

How does it hurt your thumb?

twilit lodge
#

Dash striking

hollow granite
#

Sword and fists used to make my thumb/wrists hurt. Dash strike builds are fun though. Boxing

twilit lodge
#

Other weapons can dash strike by pressing both buttons at the same time

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Bow has to dash then strike

#

On joycons this hurts the thumb

hollow granite
#

Oh. Maybe our controllers are different

jagged hamlet
#

Do you not roll your thumb between the two, using the base of your thumb for Dash and the tip for Attack?

twilit lodge
#

Yes

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And that’s what makes it hurt

jagged hamlet
#

Oh

twilit lodge
#

Doing that over and over

rustic vale
#

Where are your dash and strike mapped to?

mint coral
#

Attack Y dash on B probably?

#

(switch)

twilit lodge
#

Yes

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Default bindings

mint coral
#

Yeah I get it

#

Mainly on achilles tho

twilit lodge
#

Because it’s not terribly useful once you have your mirror built up

#

Acorn will provide more effective hp

mint coral
#

Tooth recovers some use at high heat

twilit lodge
#

And early in a run you want god trinkets to shape your build

mint coral
#

Mostly for asphodel

#

Cuz lernie is a meanie

#

And if you manage to not use tooth during aspho you can burn it in the arena to recover 100hp then swap

hollow granite
#

-shaking olympic keepsakes- give me your dialogue i need to progress the quest

mint coral
#

Which gods are you trying?

#

Vitality

hollow granite
#

Do Hermes boons (as a room completion reward) not spawn in tartarsauce?

twilit lodge
hollow granite
#

I see

mint coral
#

Isn't midshop possible too

#

Or erebus

latent moon
#

midshop in tart yes

#

erebus tart no clue

twilit lodge
#

Tart Hermes always feels good

hollow granite
#

I just need his dialogue. He counts as an olympic god right?

mint coral
#

And yeah he counts for the epilogue

#

His favor is ez if you know what it is

hollow granite
#

Ugh he gave me a comment about the plume but it was the wrong one. Ffffffffff rng

#

Gonna take a lava bath to calm down zagsnooze

mint coral
#

Also he requires 2 ambrosia

hollow granite
mint coral
#

Yeah

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He's 5 nectar 2 ambrosia

#

Vs the other olympians 6 nectar 1 ambrosia

hollow granite
jagged hamlet
#

Probably burns a lot of calories!

mint coral
#

Just consider it the ambrosia you save on not having to max Dem lol

hollow granite
#

I love hoarding slash

twilit lodge
#

I’m reminded of how bad most of the sword hammers are

#

Since most of them don’t apply to dstrike

hollow granite
#

Idk what dstrike is

old bluff
#

Dash strike

hollow granite
#

Ah

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Made it to elysium without an attack boon. If luck were a rl stat, I'd have negative luck shadesmile

wanton sierra
#

Is anyone aware of any other "infinite" loops for the Wretched Broker?
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Wretched_Broker#Trade_manipulation

First, you must sell your titan blood for 200 gemstones. Then, you must buy 20 keys with that. Then, later, you can trade 15 keys back for 1 titan blood and 5 extra keys. You can repeat this process to get exponentially more resources.

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

It hurts the tip of my thumb

rustic vale
#

It’s been a while since Imve played so I completely forgot what zag bow did to my hand

#

oh it was never the tip of my thumb

#

hih

twilit lodge
#

From pushing it against the side of the strike button

rustic vale
#

I never really have it on the side of the strike button

#

I’m not playing Hades rn but

#

it’s something close to that

twilit lodge
#

Tf are you playing

#

That’s how I dstrike for other weps

#

But for bow I use the tip of my thumb more for both buttons

fervent radish
#

Resources stop mattering in endgame so that stuff isn’t really explored except for non first run fresh file

wanton sierra
old bluff
#

That loop is RNG based, and the Blood can only be bought one at a time, so it is much faster and easier to play the game more

fervent radish
twin thistle
#

Cant you only take broker random trades once each time

fervent radish
#

Yes

#

Another reason why it’s not super viable

twin thistle
#

Whats exponential about that then bouldy

lavish sorrel
#

yeah it's a waste of time to grind up resources like that

fervent radish
#

Like it would make sense if playing the game sucked and this got way more resources that were still valuable past early game

wanton sierra
#

If it's something that I can just keep some resources on the side for to semi-passively increase resources while playing, I'll do that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

fervent radish
#

Ig

#

It’s just such a paltry benefit compared to playing the game

wanton sierra
#

It's certainly not a good primary method to gain resources.

twilit lodge
#

I feel like targeting prophecies is better passive income than that loop

#

The wiki one linked

fervent radish
#

Clearing runs is by far the best way to get titan blood

wanton sierra
#

Aaand I haven't gotten good enough again quite yet to clear runs reliably.

#

I'm playing on a new gaming peripheral - a custom build analog arcade stick.

twin thistle
#

Like you kinda have to waste a lot of time checking the broker and they only offer one limited deal per run dont they, so most of the time youre checking it wont be a useful deal unless theres a bunch of those loops

lavish sorrel
#

I mean tbf that loses at most 8 or so seconds if it's done in conjunction with regular runs

wanton sierra
#

Sometimes I churn through runs really fast 'cause I favor checking things off the prophecy list and I'm not very good xD

#

It's OK. I'll get there again.

twilit lodge
#

I’m forcing myself to prophecy hunt at the start of this new save

#

If I don’t I end up doing things like reach the surface before the call tutorial run

twin thistle
#

You can waste the time instead on the harp prophecy tho bouldy i hate the harp prophecy

twilit lodge
#

And miss out on story

rustic vale
#

like holy it’d take you years

#

I love broker and he’s solid when you’re like

#

Pretty close to getting to a resource maybe idk you want a titans blood or something

#

But trying to use broker as a method to gain excess keys would be

#

a slog

wanton sierra
#

Understandable - if it was the only thing. The main method is/will definitely just be doing runs.

rustic vale
#

but like

#

whoever came up with this whack like

#

infinite blood method

#

needs to hear about styx shop

#

and fishing

#

styx shop's actually a pretty reliable way to get titans blood fast but you only need so much titans blood

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

That but I’m lazy so I slide

#

Or maybe lazy isn’t right, maybe I’m just overestimating how fast I need to go from one to the other

#

So I slide

old bluff
#

We truly got a Shackle hand reveal before gta6

twilit lodge
#

Me when shackle’s wrist is exposed 🥵

twilit lodge
#

I hate handheld cuz I feel like if I hold it with one hand I’m bending the brackets for the joycons

rustic vale
twilit lodge
#

Cool colors tho

rustic vale
#

Dash strike? I hardly knew er

jagged hamlet
#

Shackle has nice nails!

twilit lodge
#

I got the SpongeBob joycons

#

And somehow playing too much Diablo 2 wore the left joystick off on one corner

#

Why does my thumb look like it belongs to bouldy

#

Massive thumb gaming moment

rustic vale
#

You can send them into Nintendo to get your stick drift fixed last I checked

#

No clue how long that takes but it’s free

twilit lodge
#

Yeah, I got these so I could send the rise edition ones I have in

#

But then realized they were just out of warranty

#

So I never sent them in

rustic vale
#

Oh wait that ain’t stick drift that’s like

#

what actual drifting does to your tires

twilit lodge
#

Like I literally rubbed the contouring off

#

Bouldy thumb casualty

old bluff
#

Small hand gang rise up

twilit lodge
#

Small hand kings

jagged hamlet
#

My hands are like the exact same size as my friend who's like 5" shorter than I!

twilit lodge
#

Is that even allowed

hollow granite
#

Does anyone else get disappointed when the Trove, isn't gold?

twilit lodge
#

I get disappointed when the trove is gold

#

I only take troves for meta progression

hollow granite
#

Oh. What do you want for it?

twilit lodge
#

Darkness

fervent radish
#

darkness

twilit lodge
#

Or gems

#

I can’t remember if gems are even possible

hollow granite
#

They are yes

twilit lodge
#

But on my new save I keep getting obol troves and it’s very 😐

wanton sierra
#

I can't share a picture of the controller I use to play =[

twilit lodge
#

Maybe I’m too speedrun pilled

twilit lodge
#

Direct embeds aren’t allowed in this channel but url embeds are

fervent radish
#

maybe for resetting SD on high heat runs

hollow granite
#

Is there any trick to making Patroclus appear more? Such as skipping Charon's shop, or only seeking him every other run?

twilit lodge
#

The concept of using them for in-run bonuses is just foreign to me

#

Story floors are random

rustic vale
#

I need like 150k darkness still

hollow granite
#

For what? Ranks?

old bluff
#

Do 24 Zag bow :croven:

rustic vale
#

I’ve got like 200k of it out of the way

#

or 175k

#

hmm

fervent radish
#

it's about a 50/50 chance to see him, which is pretty consistent with my experience

hollow granite
twilit lodge
#

I know how to make sure he doesn’t spawn

#

Use up all your DDs and be counting on him

#

Very reliable!

hollow granite
#

In order to progress the Divided by death Fate (achilies happy ending), do i have to defeat hades, or am i okay dropping runs as soon as i reach Petrocles?

twilit lodge
#

May as well finish the runs, the practice is always good

mint coral
#

No dialogue from dad is required

#

But yeah at that point might as well get some extra resources

hollow granite
#

Man, there are a lot of things that negate Fiery Presence. The backstab ability is looking like the only real choice

mint coral
#

fiery is better usually

old bluff
#

Negate?

hollow granite
#

Like. Things that hit first . Such as dashes, revenge damage, different weapon modifications, support fire, casts of course, god calls. Pretty much anything that isn't an attack or special (and sometimes even a modified attack or special), cancels out the effect if it hits the target first

rustic vale
rustic vale
#

I mean ofc it’s pulling weight throughout the entire run

#

but the breakpoints it makes you hit in tartarus

#

are the most consistent part

#

Now granted I’m lacking the speedrunning experience to know better but typically by asphodel and later, with all your additive from core boons, hammers, and potentially chaos and hermes, you wildly vary in which breakpoints fiery presence helps for so like

latent moon
#

Aspho fiery matters for mainly hestia afaik

#

Idk about other things but it's still pretty significant off of like cshot or rocket bomb

#

But also backstabs are more inconsistent from my experience so it's just not worth running that

twilit lodge
#

Fiery is more for speedrun breakpoints iirc

#

The urge to do the limited offer of 200 gems for blood is so strong on my new save

#

Gems are such a pain

#

But I feel bad using up blood

twilit lodge
#

Ooh I had forgotten how fun it is to use Artemis call

#

And have it hit a fury sister add

narrow loom
#

so probably eris

twilit lodge
#

Flurry jab ME zagspear

#

I should probably fight the urge to win with this but I don’t know if my willpower is strong enough

#

I have epic greatest reflex also

twilit lodge
#

When you decide not to deal with Theseus phase 2

old bluff
#

You want to see not dealing with Phase 2?

twilit lodge
#

Seen that before 👀 good ish

narrow loom
#

||GYS I JUST ROMANCED THAN||

jagged hamlet
#

Oh, brother

twilit lodge
#

Yep, flurry jab ME just too good

latent moon
#

Yeah 13 days ago lmao

twilit lodge
#

Oh

#

Well I’ve seen a similar one before then

hazy path
#

I feel like I’m using twin fists wrong. Any tips?

old bluff
#

What builds are you going for?

hazy path
# old bluff What builds are you going for?

I haven’t made a build tbh. Doing the Fate missions. I was just wondering if this weapon is the hardest to use because you risk taking a lot of damage getting close range

old bluff
#

Fists are generally considered the worst weapon in the game

hazy path
jagged hamlet
#

That said, they're perfectly viable at lower difficulties (lower "heats")

old bluff
#

^^^

hazy path
#

Oh. I haven’t completed a game yet so I think I fall in that category

old bluff
#

They are just harder to build and play

jagged hamlet
#

Maybe not harder to build, epsecially when you can just stack Zeus

twin thistle
#

Id rather use zag fists than zag sword still bouldy

old bluff
#

I meant like harder to stumble into a good build if you don't know how to build it

brisk trail
#

And then there's le funni lambent plume + zag fists

old bluff
hazy path
#

I think I can complete the game with aspect of chaos but I haven’t touched the weapon in a while bc of missions (also the fact I’m kinda scared to actually play seriously and lose to hades)

old bluff
#

Although Tdash or DDash for safety is better is better than Zeus dash

#

You can also do the classic ME

narrow loom
#

i accidentally gave up a run

#

idek how

#

I accidentally opened the menu

#

and then it

#

scrolled to give up

#

and pressed enter

#

and I was at the end of elysium

#

I am like angry asf but also like calm at the same time

#

it's pissing me off but I also am just sitting here

twilit lodge
#

Maybe get your keyboard exorcised

latent moon
#

esp with beo

#

idk how many of the top ones are dio beo tho

#

that are unseeded at least

#

the beo run control is pretty insane and uses dio beo

twilit lodge
#

What’s run control

#

Rng manip?

latent moon
#

it's basically that but like

#

hard coded

#

rather than doing them midrun

#

so you dont have to spam like the summon button or whatever before you enter the next room

#

you just go

twilit lodge
#

We live in a society

latent moon
#

you can generally get more insane times bc you dont have to do things like that and you can just get what you want easier

#

esp ichors lmao

#

iirc they also make chaos give enshrouded curses bc you already know what the result of the next room is anyways lmao

#

tbf you can say the same for seeded i guess

#

the runs are pretty insane tho

twilit lodge
#

Dio beo sounds weird and unpleasant

narrow loom
#

I have never used beo

twilit lodge
#

Beo is peak

#

In terms of bugs especially

latent moon
hazy path
#

Well, I got to Theseus at least. Idk how to play twin fists and it’s kind of annoying me now.

twin thistle
#

You pretty much just hold attack and spam dash and unhold attack when you want to not get hit while dashing

jagged hamlet
#

Twin Fists dash around a bunch while holding down attack

#

Darn it!

hazy path
twin thistle
#

Cd?

hazy path
#

Cooldown. The little pause Zagreus has before he restarts the attack

twin thistle
#

Thats why you dash

#

If you dash strike you reset the combo

hazy path
#

Yeah I didn’t know before. I’m learning how to dash in time before it happens

#

The weapon is scary against projectiles

twin thistle
#

You pretty much just do it whenever dash comes off cooldown just not spamming so much that youre on cooldown when you want to actually dodge something

#

For destructible projectiles dash striking usually gets rid of them since the hitbox is wide

hazy path
twin thistle
#

You can also just take ddash. Its prob most consistent starting zeus keepsake for his attack then athena in asphodel for her dash and trying to pick up static discharge and zeus or dio call somewhere

hazy path
#

I hate my skill issues but it’s okay. Gonna finish up the fate for the weapon and never use it again. It’s like my brain shuts off against Elysium enemies and I just straight up die.

hazy path
rustic vale
# hazy path Pure Zeus works?

Zeus scales really well with more zeus boons, like static discharge (the big one), double strike, splitting bolt.
Ofc, you still need 3 other gods, so stay on the look out for like
Poseidon; Tidal dash (great damage, and aoe size)
Aphrodite; Heartbreak flourish (shot and dash technically also work, but just try to get flourish) to unlock Smouldering air + Zeus or Dionysus call for smouldering air and big call damage.
Dionysus; aforementioned call works pretty well without smouldering air, you’re still spamming minicalls, hangover damage charges gauge itself.
Athena: Dash for safety, or really whatever, big selling point is Ddash and the extra dd boons.

#

Those are all options, so if you find one of those gods naturally or are looking for another god to force in via a keepsake into asphodel

#

those are the ones you want to consider

twilit lodge
latent moon
#

and i guess mirage but you dont necessarily need that unless you want funnier numbers

solid prism
latent moon
#

All aspects work fine for like normal playthroughs up to 32 heat basically since they dont go past that

#

And they work fine until 40 heat, then at that point various things start to just suck

jagged hamlet
#

The Curious Case of Chiron

twilit lodge
#

Chiron works at 32… barely

narrow loom
#

😔

latent moon
#

chiron kinda just dies once you turn on js levels really

#

js/cp

twilit lodge
#

Trur

lavish sorrel
latent moon
#

i mean you technically don't need the damage as long as you dont have js/cp levels on

#

i guess by extention ap/ri too but that's like every build lmao

#

hangover chiron works fine for like 40 heat or whatever

#

since you still have "dps" and aren't being slowed down by anything other than like bp2 crap

#

or you got janked by hs bc you needed more spacing lmao

stiff obsidian
#

js3 is free if you just get the rooms

#

a skip is a skip no matter js1 or js223

twilit lodge
#

Simply get the rooms

fervent radish
#

simple

runic jungle
#

Triple shot feels so freaking awful to use oml.
Easily least favorite bow hammer

jagged hamlet
#

Triple Shot is just a fancy melee weapon

stiff obsidian
#

same triple shot lost me runs

twilit lodge
#

Cosplaying as a beo player on zagshield

#

Arty strike and pos cast

#

But then I got charged shot and two chaos strikes so I guess we spamming cshot now

stiff obsidian
#

whyd u reset in chaos

old bluff
#

I didn't

stiff obsidian
#

i remember resetting in chaos and accidentally set my pact to ap8

#

everything crossed out

stiff obsidian
twin thistle
#

bouldy can dc hearts do that

stiff obsidian
#

no

twin thistle
#

So Dc20 or something bouldy

twilit lodge
#

That’s what any dc run looks like to a Chiron player

latent moon
#

Is that 99 heat mod but you removed the restrictions

rustic vale
#

🧠

old bluff
lavish sorrel
old bluff
#

Not a reset in Chaos

solid prism
hazy path
#

Got to hades with twin fists dusa

twilit lodge
#

Forgot how much low blood Chiron sucks

#

Especially when you never get a good special

mint coral
hazy path
#

Was there a reason why the dev team put the Elysium NPC on the 3rd stage and not Styx? It seems extremely hard to beat Hades when you keep losing DD there.

twilit lodge
#

Probably because Styx isn’t structured like the rest of them

#

Plus thematically it makes more sense

#

You’ll get better at Styx don’t worry

jagged hamlet
#

By the time you find Patroclus you're mostly done with the run anyway

hazy path
twilit lodge
#

He is

#

And getting better at Styx covers the rest of the run so you can ideally save your 3 DDs for end

hazy path
twilit lodge
#

He’s not guaranteed to appear though so its best not to bank on him

hazy path
twilit lodge
#

That’s really all you need to do

#

There’s tons of little things you just learn by practice and repetition

hazy path
#

How long did it take you to beat the game for the first time?

twilit lodge
#

Honestly don’t remember, maybe 30 runs

hazy path
#

woow that’s impressive

twilit lodge
#

I got a lot of good advice from here

hazy path
#

I’m on my 70th I think.

twilit lodge
#

If you haven’t been using god trinkets it’s a good idea to use them

#

Poseidon trinket to force tidal dash first boon works for lots of weapons

#

And tidal dash + breaking wave is a good way to safely destroy Styx tunnels

#

In addition to being good throughout the whole run

twin thistle
hazy path
#

Yeah that makes sense. I guess that’s why it’s so challenging. They basically test you severely and if you reach hades bruised up then that’s just a skill issue on your part.

#

Gotta find a way to just not be dumb and play perfect. And also to work around the boon RNG. I’ll find a way

#

Also for god keepsakes I haven’t unlocked those yet.

#

Oh wait maybe I did. I don’t fully know what those are

twilit lodge
#

That gets you their trinket with one exception

#

And the trinkets you get from the Olympian gods forces the next boon you encounter to be that god

#

You can gift nectar to the Olympians by pressing the gift button before you accept their boon

rustic vale
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Like the first 3 biomes are actual sections of the underworld where shades would be sorted into

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elysium being heroes, asphodel being regulars and tartarus being the worst of the worst

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you don’t see any shades in the temple because it isn’t a place where Shades reside

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Plus like

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getting all your dd’s back in styx or touch of styx dark in styx would be so cheap

twilit lodge
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Someone should mod the game so Sisyphus and Patroclus switch their offerings

fervent radish
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what

rustic vale
fervent radish
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that's a terrible change ngl

rustic vale
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Modders have much better things to do like

fervent radish
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gold becomes way less valuable later on, and touch of styx lasts until dad if 2 sack

twilit lodge
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I suggested it because it’s so terrible

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But not as terrible as boobie mods

twilit lodge
fervent radish
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boobie mods would go hard

twilit lodge
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I’m sure some of the target audience would still have to worry about death defies

rustic vale
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Oh for sure

fervent radish
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if you're losing DDs in tart, you're probably not making it to ely

rustic vale
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along the same lines as uh

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the types of players that would still struggle with death defiances

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  1. Outright factually wrong in the mod blurb:
twilit lodge
fervent radish
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bow p strong

mint coral
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What did that mod change again

twilit lodge
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I’m gonna guess triple damage on everything

rustic vale
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Bow charge rate is 100* faster

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uh

fervent radish
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yep

rustic vale
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i think it gets built in crit

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I’ll start looking for more funny mods now that it’s a few months after I took these photos

mint coral
twilit lodge
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Flurry Shot stocks in shambles after mod releases

rustic vale
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I do think powershots would be quite impossible with this mod though

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speaking of, my new 3rd party switch controller has a built in autoclicker setting

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for

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whoever needs it

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The only use I’ve found for it was in dungreed where some weapons have an attack speed stat of “it’s all in the trigger finger”

twilit lodge
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I have a turbo controller but it’s total arse

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It was $15 at Five Below

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The analog stick literally only does 8 directions

rustic vale
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bruh

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I got a logictech controller for like $25 CAD but it just

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sucked

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so I found a biogenik controller at my local gamestop and saw it could connect to both switch and pc and was like

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yep that’s for me