#h1-discussion
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So 7/8 chance they had a crappy attack lmao
If they do like it it might be bc of the special
Also the Aim at Cursor thing or Reload being on a terrible bind def has an impact
the bow lmfao
i won by a very thin and i mean thin margin
rail wasnt actually that bad
i do like the spear the best tho
I found the spear to be very versatile at first; open to either melee or ranged. Whatever I get rng'd with
I don't hate it. My first win with it was just bad is all. It was like death via a thousand cuts. And Hades can take a thousand more
what attack did you use
i had a pretty good build on both my recent attempts
I don't remember at all . That was a lot of runs ago
I feel like if it was zeus it would be significantly more memorable than
any other strike
I feel like building rail is like the biggest no brainer ever though
Is zeus and rail, good? I didn't really notice anything exceptional about the combination. But maybe I'm wrong
It’s the best strike by a mile
Did you have jolted
I mean if you don't have the mindset of "low base damage and fast = flat damage" then you kinda just have to rng into it for you to realize it's good lmao
At least a +10 from the lightning on each shot is doing so much more than any strike boon before you factor in the added aoe, potential rarity and pom boosting pushing it farther, static discharge, splitting bolt, speeding up your call gauge charge by a ton
Every +% strike boon on rail is just sad and pathetic if you don’t find spreadfire and that’s pretty much something you exclusively even consider taking on zagreus rail
Doom just doesn’t fall fast enough to outpace lightning strike, hangover lacks the immediate damage and aoe of zeus
does anyone have a reason why dusa requires so much more ambrosia than everyone else
restocking the lounge
I've already been spoiled about her offering it back and while I kinda want to let her keep it as a gesture of kindness
it's so much ambrosia
it is yeah 
Does the bonuses from Plume/Butterfly persist if you swap Keepsakes mid-run?
No
Darn
can we get the exact first boons in every run? if can what do i need to do?
W
God keepsake + rerolls is usually enough
There's the odd hammer start/getting vorime'd (using all rerolls and not getting your core)
Nothing that a quick reset can't fix
you’re always at the mercy of rng on whether the first chamber of the run is a hammer or a boon, but given most of the time it is a boon, you can run the god keepsakes for the god you want.
When your core boons are completely empty (aka. You have no strike, special, cast, or dash boon), the game will always give you 3 of those as options for your boon. if you reroll, you can see other boons like their secondary boon, but you’re also guaranteed to see at least 1 core boon(iirc), no guarantee it’ll be the 1/4 you want.
If you start with a hammer, the keepsake will keep working, you’ll just get your first boon from the god like a few chambers later
you’ve essentially got a 3/4 chance to find the starting boon you want before rerolls
In terms of fun weapons my list would probably be:
Bow
Shield
Gun
Spear
Gloves
Sword
Shield on top ngl
Confirmed. You can obtain hammer upgrades from the Anvil which have not been fufilled as a minor prophecy, yet
Is there any way to expedite quests? This is my 2nd playthrough. I'm missing the main ques epilogue, thanatos, achilies, and nyx/chaos. They haven't progressed at all in the past five or so runs
Also missing wargods bloodlust. I don't even remember how to start that one, if it isn't a random event
ou hello bits
gilgamesh time 
Going for 50?
Besties, I did everything there is to be done in Hades 2 EA, and still have the itch to play, but the fact that there's nothing more to discover/unlock kinda ruins it for me.
Thinking about replaying Hades 1.
I'm afraid the new combat mechanics of Hades 2 may have ruined Hades 1 for me.
What's your opinion, Hades 1 still worth a replay?
Yeah
Both are very different "I want a power run" feelings for me if that makes sense
Or challenge wise too
Yes, it’s a better game rn imo
But if you find the mechanics of 2 more exciting than 1, that’s also fair
When do you think theyll release it for ps5, and perhaps even ps4?
Hades 1 is on ps
Yeah so when 2 goes for a full release it’ll probably be on all platforms
Oh. I didn't realize 2 wasn't fully released
I see. So it's in early stages of development? Idk anything about devs
I see i see
Hades was the same
You can actually go back to the early access speedrun leaderboards for Hades on apeedrun.com
I honestly don’t know much about Hades 2 but I have seen the amount of info on the hellfire bot equivalent of Hades 2
I’d say it’s got
quite a bit of stuff in it already
i kind of dislike h2
Chaos is in 2. That's enough for me to buy it :]
spoilers
I think it'd be cool if the third game has like a chaos realm that you can explore. Oh! Or a chaos dlc for 2. Do the devs do dlcs/expansions for their games? It's hardly necessary but it is pretty normalized
The devs have stated they won’t be making dlc for Hades (or at least at the time they made the statement they thought that way)
the story is like
complete
iirc from their statement
just got an athena dd in one ely room and immediately lost it in the next
c33 fountain c34 patty makes up for it i suppose
Hades 2 is the first time they even try a sequel
and I pray there isn't a 3rd
How come? Greek lore has loads of stuff to edit into a bideo bame
I love hades
I really do
But sgg's own worlds are just beautiful
- I don't want a 3rd roguelike lmao
We don’t need SSG to become “the guys who make another greek mythology game every few years”

Their considered worst game is still my fav of their works
What subject matter should they cover next, if not greek lore? I'd love to see a bullet hell based on shakespeare. The insanity of it would be divine
They could make their own story like they did with previous games lol
Just don't throw
I want to see more of their own worlds lol
this is my first run in like 3 days lol
I didn't think anyone would use stubborn defiance. I bet it's better somehow
It's better at high heat
Since you're taking lc4
So sd becomes your "healing"
And majority of the time the normal rooms are more dangerous than the boss rooms
Ah. That sounds rough
epic jolt crossed out in sack room 
Rip
last boon before going to dad, should i buy athena or aphro from end shop
Athena
why
Why aphro
why athena
Holy shield potentially
hm
Aphro can give crush shot
imagine i get an attack replace
Other useless stuff idk
i have phalanx
ill not get either
nah aphro atk goes hard on gilga
I'll give it a shot then, was a long time ago I played it. Should feel somewhat fresh.
I'd take it
Yeah take
TOO LAT
rip
this time i win
Explosive Shot + Twin Shot. Butterfly boss died in 5 seconds 😳😳😳
The hero bros didnt last long either. I think i might maybe like the bow, now
the only reason I can remember the last time I ran without stubborn defiance is because I started a fresh save file recently
aside from that I haven't really turned it off since I started playing 32 heat and above
Bananas already explained y
it's a huge change of pace but if you're trying to play the game at that difficulty you start having to change your playstyle anyways to accommodate double damage taken , 40% faster enemies, etc
Hey quick question
Could I post a video of the final boss fight to show off smth or is that considered like spoilers for new people
Posting it here is fine
Spoilers only count in #h1-for-new-players
Yep
Favorite hermes for melee builds, anyone?
+dashes are nice. Especially for hades and his huge long spear
🤨
Yep
I love it when my dad uses two of his big bballs and long spear to make me earn my bonus
🙂

Meet potential aspect
potential(ly bad
)

Dusted off hades for the first time in almost two years and played my hell mode save
Good thing beo is still OP
Beo :)
beo moment
Best weapon in the game fr
Bananas still exists
I got that sick sub24 beo run
Does this bot just be annoying forever

Love how the ending for every successful run is just: a thousand ways to die
It’s more like 50 ways but yes
Hm. I just lost an entire run on ps4. Ashame. It was a fun one. I wish the ps4 saves were a bit less buggy. Happy to report that there were no issues on ps5
I want to try hell mode
Is lame
Try it! Its not super terrible just mostly terrible
the furthest I got on my normal save is 32 heat
If you’ve already beaten Hades you’ll pretty much know what hellmode is
Sonce
Idk if I should try to push higher on the normal save before going to hell
It really just forces 5 heat on you out the gates
there’s no real difference if you’re already playing heat
Yeah
Well, you’re stuck with PL which isn’t even an option on normal mode
Unless you want to play a fresh save file just harder
so i'll probably feel like playing hades again in the future
so when I replay it I will play hell mode
That thing barely exists
When it does it hurts but eh
The real issue is being stuck with JS1
….it only sucks with poison if you suck with poison tbh
Does poison even proc the shield
I can work around it now but still hate it when it happens
Did you know about the cure?
Lots of things were run enders when u started the game
That reminds me
I don't remember tbh maybe I did
but for some reason back then I would take crazy amounts of damage from the poison
with maimed curse on eris u can permanently trigger the bubble for invincibility
its awesome
I would die in like 2 seconds
Today saw a post on reddit saying how they hated poison cuz they thought the curing pools only worked post combat
The only thing that is a run ender for me is my Mirage luck 
😭😭 I saw that too
The curing pools don’t even work post combat 
crazy
They don’t?
poison gets removed post combat idk how they didn't notice
Why were you on the Hades reddit, do you hate yourself?
Oh yeah true
true
The pools literally go dry
Browing by new ain't that bad
after combat
Tho this one was in the home feed so eh
Just commented the usual pause to look for the pool and styx shredder
No you can still drink from them after combat
…that’s a likely indicator that you were just low on hp before hand because
I've drank from a lot bc it was next to the door before
or maybe it is and I just don’t have poison for that long before hand
I think that the problem was
Wth
I hope this is a bit
I hope so
I saw a similar post to this
it was like 200h
but on normal mode
If you’re 400 hours in and haven’t won in hellmode you won’t win if you swap back to normal mode
I understand the "turn on god mode" comments but also like
HWTA
I don't like god mode
I don’t understand
I never tried it but I don't like the idea of it
I need a video of this person playing
God mode just
Fr lmfao
You can't turn on god mode on a hell mode save
God mode feels like cheating to me and cheapens the victory imo
I hope their 400 hrs is actually just afk'ing
Well yeah then you aren’t the intended god-mode user
They said they don't go idle much
i crossed 2k hours recently btw
Sorry if I offended any god mode users.. but that's how it is

You have more hours than me
Yeah i know that god mode is intended and the devs added it there
Congrats 
and if you use it wtv i'm not pressed
False side started playing like a year ago or something and I've been playing for like 3 years or something lmao
but me personally I won't
idk how ive been at 2k hours for months
And I have 530
damn
Tbh you sound like me back when I would get pressed over godmode
Pretty sure I've been playing since soon after it released on switch
that's lowkey not even a lot of time
How do you even check time played I forgor
like 5 months ago i was at 1900 and i guess thats when i burnt out'
I have like 1.5k on terraria over 4 years
Steam
but i'm not mad
Switch just tells me 400 hours
Im on switch rip
250 hours or more
I started November of last year and have 580
Yeah I haven't really played that much the past year or so most of the hours was like in the first 2 years or so
But I’m only sub10 gang
I have 134 hours on hades 1
ok but now add hours spent on hades discord
41 on h2
I know, I’m just saying it like it is like
3k? 4k+?
Dw about that lmfao
Looool

I don't think I spent that much time on here but def a lot
I have like 950 or something
One time someone pinged me in the h2 channel "are you here all day or what"
Lmfao
You kinda are
My Hades discord hours probably rival if not exceed my Hades playtime
Oh I know
for me they coexist
this is when it's time to reflect
i alt tab to discord between waves,
when my sd pops, ( that 2 second animation)
between doors
boss phases
I alt back over to fortnite in between dash cooldowns
free rooms
That's a lot of alt tabs lmao
you win
Sometimes I just, alt tab then forget about hades lmao
im on mac so i cant alt tab at all
I don’t even play on pc I can’t alt tab Hades 
mission control
yes i just 3 finger swipe
I use mission control bcs it's easy to proc
well alt tab is too
but like
Mission control is such a fluid motion I like it
proc? like proc effects? ror reference!?!
I have a macbook for college but I use my pc for gaming
When is Hades going to have a crossover event with my favourite roguelike, hardcore terraria
using whiskey to try some windows games
well the first one was h2
since its windows only
I will never play terraria on anything except classic
i will never play terarria
i know the headloss will be insane when I die
way too complex i dont have that kind of time
Terraria was definitely never intendd to be played on anything other than classic expert
I know i'll die too
because the amount of times I die in classic runs so smth stupid
like a boulder
Real
i'll probably lose the hardcore run within the first 30m
whats this pfpf
Classic is so comfy, but I like the expert drops
I’m too bad for expert but too prideful for classic
but modded difficulties are my favorite
Just like hell mode
eternity mode 🎉
that bot is so annoying
He does a good job
i gyess he does
I hate the manual labor but at the same time I need it
Exactly
Because if I just gave myself the equipment and fought every boss that is so boring
Like building my wall of flesh bridge, digging my hellevators
Someone has to do it
but
It’s mind numbing
it's a necessary sacrifice
though I mostly play modded so I reduce the amount of labor a lot
Ice skates are way too rare for no reason at all
but I keep just enough so then it feels like i'm doing something
95% of my terraria playtime is solo
I kind of want to download and play some of those player made story worlds
I actually prefer it solo because I dislike the way other people play it lol
I saw a bunch when I was watchi bbg people a while back and
they either drag me along too fast or move too slow
They definitely aren’t updated to the current version of the game thou
and I have certain things I like doing that they don't and yeah just a mess
I’ve tried playing with my brothers and friends and multiplayer terraria is just a mess
idk
Trying to build and coordinate things
terraria is at its best solo
Yeah and for some reason
I do so much worse in boss fights in mp
I think it's because subconsciously I just nerf myself
and I assume that if I die I can just respawn as long as the other people stay alive
but if i'm solo i've got me myself and I
no one is helping me against that boss I have to keep pushing
Mhm
I have to strategise and prep and make sure I’ve got like
the best gear I can for the fight before hand
prep the arena
I did the menial work of makjng fishing spots in nearly every biome on my world so
I can do fishing quests and I don’t even remember why at-
Oh
It’s cuz I wanted the cellphone
that’s why I was doing that
terraria is hard to get into rn tho
any game tbh
I can only play video games when I have like 12 hours straight to devote to them
It's either all or nothing for me
if I can't rot away in the chair for 12h a day playing then I don't want it
it sucks because truthfully I actually do want to do something because I am bored all day but I can't build the momentum to do it
this is because school and work take up most my time and I feel guilty devoting my undivided attention to a game so I do things like mindlessly scrolling instead
Someone talk me out of using my last save slot to try doing fresh file
Do fresh file
You had one job
i mean i guess you could just do fresh file yea
Betrayed all around
Do we know why 'In the Blood' was taken off spotify?
No
ok thanks
Did they ever fix beo bug?
Pog
I don’t think I’m gonna try fresh file just yet
Gonna start a new regular mode save so I can relearn the game
gonna list my favorite weapons in order
Not gonna do aspects since actually I have not played most aspects
well I can rank the ones I played
Reached phase 2 on the 4th run of my new save
Kind of annoyed honestly because you miss a bunch of the story if you do that
Gonna start over
Splash dash is just too good
Where da list
I forgt
- Rail
- Fists/Bow
- Bow/Fists
- Shield
- Sword
- Spear
now as for aspects (ones I have played)
- Eris
- Hestia
3.actually this is too much weapons is fine
whats the highest attack damage for a main attack?
Like by weapon? or from god boons
Aphrodite has the highest raw damage numbers for strike and special boosting
fromg od boons yeah
im wondering how big damage i acn make aspect of rama do per attack (special bow)
also which boon/buils is best for guan yu? (Special spear), i need to get out with it but i cant
Well
You got “special spear” right because that’s how you’re going to want to build it
throw like Heartbreak flourish on it, find charged skewer, take every chaos gate you can, and keep yourself safe at range while using the special
and then you can do like the classic “throw zeus call on a build with aphrodite anywhere”
charged skwer?
It’s a spear hammer
oh
Lets you charge up your special for up to 3* the base damage
…
this is why i cant get any heat comp over 6
You can charge the spin in between waves but that’s not our focus
the special (the spear throw) is our main damage
Yeah
No
You just deal with it
make sure you have cthonic vitality on and not dark regen on your mirror
I mean it’s likely a mix of everything
Around heat 6 you’ve got like, mechanical weapon skill, your mirror, getting a good heat pact, your build knowledge and game sense
Those are all usually pretty rough for people around
really sometimes all the way up to 20-32 heat tbh
always do
you never know when you’re talking to someone 
yeh
I’ve seen my fair share of die hard dark regen users who are just… stubborn
Chaos is usually like
an automatic take if you see him (although it can depend on what your door options are)
yeh chaos my beloved
I wish pomegranites were in season. This game got me craving. de-licious
I can't seem to progress Queen's plan. I gave the Gods all the nectar they could take. And even some Ambrosia for a couple. In my last playthrough, the quest activated almost immediately once I fufilled the requirements. Am I missing any requirements? All the cthonic entities have also been nectar'd
You need the bond with 6 of the olympians, with Dem counting as one of the 6 at her lock
You get the bond after you gift them ambrosia
After that is talking with mom until she mentions the invitations, which you need to talk to every olympian
(if you have done the nix-chaos quest, then also invite chaos)
Ah so i have to do ambrosia on some of them. The guide didn't mention that
can anyone help me with the aspect of lucifer for the rail gun? I've talked to zeus and got the first voiceline that you need, but i cant get the 2nd voiceline which you need to get to unlock the aspect.
very nice
keep talking
that's pretty much everything...
I assume you have guan yu/5 blood in rail right
i have 5 blood but whats guan yu?
nice
4th aspect of the spear
You need it revealed first before any other hidden aspect
Why does it say on the wiki that Persephone's father is mortal?
Sgg change
But yeah her father is a mortal here

What does sgg mean
Supergiant games, y'know, the devs
There are a few changes like this in the game
Dem's father here is hyperion
Is there a specific reason for changing things like that?
Avoiding to their best the incest
Could Rama aspect fans sell me on what they like about the bow? I feel like I'm not enjoying it as much as other weapons and I think hearing what you feel is sweet about it might help me.
It’s a dangerous one since the charge time is so long, but you can dash strike to charge it faster. Basic idea is to tag as many enemies as you can with the special and charge up a beefy attack to nuke them all
The 3rd weapon to clear max heat.
With monodash.
Unseeded, modded world record.
No hit in Asphodel, 5 acorns left in Heroes fight, and no hit in Styx!
Again, huge thanks to Mysterra for the best thumbnail.
its hard to use
Chunky
me when highest base damage in the game
and have a hammer that can x2 or x3 that
and have 60% multi bonus dmg
Rng is so ugh sometimes. I just wanna wrap these quests up
Big damage and is easier to aim lmao
Beeg
Is Twin Fists the hardest weapon to use? I’m pretty much dying a lot in Elysium.
Flame Wheels, The shield guys. I don’t know how to prevent myself from taking too much damage.
Flame wheels. You can just outrun them. . If you dash through a wall/column as they're charging at you, they will crash into the wall. You can also dash over neutral spaces. Shield guys. They have set moves. You just avoid their moveset and dash through them. Getting behind them with melee is easier than getting behind them and then aiming a ranged weapon. Although perhaps aiming is easier on PC.
Flame wheels are like a stick of dynomite though. They will eventually explode if they chase you long enough. Also, the range of most uppercuts (fist special) is juuust long enough to take them out. If you finesse it correctly
Thanks
🙏🏾
“Sell me on Rama”
“It’s hard to use”
Rama is a great bow. The skill ceiling is intimidating though. I prefer zag bow. Got that artemis in me. Leave it to the crit rate to carry me. Fingers crossed
How does it hurt your thumb?
Dash striking
Sword and fists used to make my thumb/wrists hurt. Dash strike builds are fun though. Boxing
Other weapons can dash strike by pressing both buttons at the same time
Bow has to dash then strike
On joycons this hurts the thumb
Oh. Maybe our controllers are different
Do you not roll your thumb between the two, using the base of your thumb for Dash and the tip for Attack?
Oh
Doing that over and over
Huh
Where are your dash and strike mapped to?
Because it’s not terribly useful once you have your mirror built up
Acorn will provide more effective hp
Tooth recovers some use at high heat
And early in a run you want god trinkets to shape your build
Mostly for asphodel
Cuz lernie is a meanie
And if you manage to not use tooth during aspho you can burn it in the arena to recover 100hp then swap
-shaking olympic keepsakes- give me your dialogue i need to progress the quest
Do Hermes boons (as a room completion reward) not spawn in tartarsauce?
Only possible in shops of Tartarus
I see
Tart Hermes always feels good
I just need his dialogue. He counts as an olympic god right?
Also if we are being specific enough, only the first hermes can be obtained in tart*
And yeah he counts for the epilogue
His favor is ez if you know what it is
Ugh he gave me a comment about the plume but it was the wrong one. Ffffffffff rng
Gonna take a lava bath to calm down 
Also he requires 2 ambrosia
Hermes?

Probably burns a lot of calories!
Just consider it the ambrosia you save on not having to max Dem lol
I love hoarding slash
I’m reminded of how bad most of the sword hammers are
Since most of them don’t apply to dstrike
Idk what dstrike is
Dash strike
Ah
Made it to elysium without an attack boon. If luck were a rl stat, I'd have negative luck 
Is anyone aware of any other "infinite" loops for the Wretched Broker?
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Wretched_Broker#Trade_manipulation
First, you must sell your titan blood for 200 gemstones. Then, you must buy 20 keys with that. Then, later, you can trade 15 keys back for 1 titan blood and 5 extra keys. You can repeat this process to get exponentially more resources.
Oh yeah ik what you mean
It hurts the tip of my thumb
It’s been a while since Imve played so I completely forgot what zag bow did to my hand
oh it was never the tip of my thumb
hih
From pushing it against the side of the strike button
I never really have it on the side of the strike button
I’m not playing Hades rn but
it’s something close to that
Tf are you playing
That’s how I dstrike for other weps
But for bow I use the tip of my thumb more for both buttons
Or you could play the game tbf
Resources stop mattering in endgame so that stuff isn’t really explored except for non first run fresh file
I'm revisiting the game with a fresh hell mode file. I previously played it several years ago and did multiple 32 heat clears, tyvm.
That loop is RNG based, and the Blood can only be bought one at a time, so it is much faster and easier to play the game more
Im mostly kidding lol. Just seems like a lot of work for no reason
Cant you only take broker random trades once each time
Whats exponential about that then 
mfw basically 0.8-ish (even lower depending on when this strat is used, as more limited time deals get added) keys per run 🗿
yeah it's a waste of time to grind up resources like that
Like it would make sense if playing the game sucked and this got way more resources that were still valuable past early game
If it's something that I can just keep some resources on the side for to semi-passively increase resources while playing, I'll do that ¯_(ツ)_/¯
It's certainly not a good primary method to gain resources.
I feel like targeting prophecies is better passive income than that loop
The wiki one linked
Clearing runs is by far the best way to get titan blood
I'm also doing that
Aaand I haven't gotten good enough again quite yet to clear runs reliably.
I'm playing on a new gaming peripheral - a custom build analog arcade stick.
Like you kinda have to waste a lot of time checking the broker and they only offer one limited deal per run dont they, so most of the time youre checking it wont be a useful deal unless theres a bunch of those loops
I mean tbf that loses at most 8 or so seconds if it's done in conjunction with regular runs
Sometimes I churn through runs really fast 'cause I favor checking things off the prophecy list and I'm not very good xD
It's OK. I'll get there again.
I’m forcing myself to prophecy hunt at the start of this new save
If I don’t I end up doing things like reach the surface before the call tutorial run
You can waste the time instead on the harp prophecy tho
i hate the harp prophecy
And miss out on story
Broker is such an inefficient way to get resources
like holy it’d take you years
I love broker and he’s solid when you’re like
Pretty close to getting to a resource maybe idk you want a titans blood or something
But trying to use broker as a method to gain excess keys would be
a slog
Understandable - if it was the only thing. The main method is/will definitely just be doing runs.
well yeah tradional use of the broker absolutely is a good way to get resources
but like
whoever came up with this whack like
infinite blood method
needs to hear about styx shop
and fishing
styx shop's actually a pretty reliable way to get titans blood fast but you only need so much titans blood
dungreed
Oh
So
Like this
Sorry for the glare
I had it angled up so it wouldn’t get my face
That but I’m lazy so I slide
Or maybe lazy isn’t right, maybe I’m just overestimating how fast I need to go from one to the other
So I slide
We truly got a Shackle hand reveal before gta6
Me when shackle’s wrist is exposed 🥵
I hate handheld cuz I feel like if I hold it with one hand I’m bending the brackets for the joycons
It’s the other zag bow gaming clip that only gets sent when ppl r like
Cool colors tho
Dash strike? I hardly knew er
Shackle has nice nails!
I got the SpongeBob joycons
And somehow playing too much Diablo 2 wore the left joystick off on one corner
Why does my thumb look like it belongs to bouldy
Massive thumb gaming moment
You can send them into Nintendo to get your stick drift fixed last I checked
No clue how long that takes but it’s free
Yeah, I got these so I could send the rise edition ones I have in
But then realized they were just out of warranty
So I never sent them in
Small hand gang rise up
Small hand kings
My hands are like the exact same size as my friend who's like 5" shorter than I!
Is that even allowed
Does anyone else get disappointed when the Trove, isn't gold?
Oh. What do you want for it?
Darkness
darkness
They are yes
But on my new save I keep getting obol troves and it’s very 😐
I can't share a picture of the controller I use to play =[
Maybe I’m too speedrun pilled
Post to another discord and copy the media link and paste
Direct embeds aren’t allowed in this channel but url embeds are
no one takes troves in speedruns
maybe for resetting SD on high heat runs
Is there any trick to making Patroclus appear more? Such as skipping Charon's shop, or only seeking him every other run?
Right, that’s why I’m saying I only take them for meta resources
The concept of using them for in-run bonuses is just foreign to me
Story floors are random
I get disappointed whenever it ain’t darkness or obols 
I need like 150k darkness still
For what? Ranks?
Do 24 Zag bow :croven:
Yes
I’ve got like 200k of it out of the way
or 175k
hmm
i don't think so
it's about a 50/50 chance to see him, which is pretty consistent with my experience

I know how to make sure he doesn’t spawn
Use up all your DDs and be counting on him
Very reliable!
In order to progress the Divided by death Fate (achilies happy ending), do i have to defeat hades, or am i okay dropping runs as soon as i reach Petrocles?
May as well finish the runs, the practice is always good
No dialogue from dad is required
But yeah at that point might as well get some extra resources
Man, there are a lot of things that negate Fiery Presence. The backstab ability is looking like the only real choice
fiery is better usually
Negate?
Like. Things that hit first . Such as dashes, revenge damage, different weapon modifications, support fire, casts of course, god calls. Pretty much anything that isn't an attack or special (and sometimes even a modified attack or special), cancels out the effect if it hits the target first
Support fire is a side effect of just using support fire
The main area where Fiery Presence excels is in tartarus where you’re missing most of those things
I mean ofc it’s pulling weight throughout the entire run
but the breakpoints it makes you hit in tartarus
are the most consistent part
Now granted I’m lacking the speedrunning experience to know better but typically by asphodel and later, with all your additive from core boons, hammers, and potentially chaos and hermes, you wildly vary in which breakpoints fiery presence helps for so like
Aspho fiery matters for mainly hestia afaik
Idk about other things but it's still pretty significant off of like cshot or rocket bomb
But also backstabs are more inconsistent from my experience so it's just not worth running that
Fiery is more for speedrun breakpoints iirc
The urge to do the limited offer of 200 gems for blood is so strong on my new save
Gems are such a pain
But I feel bad using up blood
Ooh I had forgotten how fun it is to use Artemis call
And have it hit a fury sister add
I actually wanted to do a run where I buff it up as much as possible
so probably eris
Flurry jab ME zagspear
I should probably fight the urge to win with this but I don’t know if my willpower is strong enough
I have epic greatest reflex also
Lol
When you decide not to deal with Theseus phase 2
Seen that before 👀 good ish
||GYS I JUST ROMANCED THAN||
Oh, brother
Yep, flurry jab ME just too good
I'm pretty sure that clip is pretty new
Yeah 13 days ago lmao
I feel like I’m using twin fists wrong. Any tips?
What builds are you going for?
I haven’t made a build tbh. Doing the Fate missions. I was just wondering if this weapon is the hardest to use because you risk taking a lot of damage getting close range
Fists are generally considered the worst weapon in the game
The Zagreus one or all of them?
That said, they're perfectly viable at lower difficulties (lower "heats")
^^^
Oh. I haven’t completed a game yet so I think I fall in that category
They are just harder to build and play
Maybe not harder to build, epsecially when you can just stack Zeus
Id rather use zag fists than zag sword still 
Pure Zeus works?
I meant like harder to stumble into a good build if you don't know how to build it
And then there's le funni lambent plume + zag fists
Yes
I think I can complete the game with aspect of chaos but I haven’t touched the weapon in a while bc of missions (also the fact I’m kinda scared to actually play seriously and lose to hades)
Although Tdash or DDash for safety is better is better than Zeus dash
You can also do the classic ME
Thanks 🙏🏾
i accidentally gave up a run
idek how
I accidentally opened the menu
and then it
scrolled to give up
and pressed enter
and I was at the end of elysium
I am like angry asf but also like calm at the same time
it's pissing me off but I also am just sitting here
Maybe get your keyboard exorcised
yeah at a certain point the top boss kill times all look the same lmao
esp with beo
idk how many of the top ones are dio beo tho
that are unseeded at least
the beo run control is pretty insane and uses dio beo
it's basically that but like
hard coded
rather than doing them midrun
so you dont have to spam like the summon button or whatever before you enter the next room
you just go
We live in a society
you can generally get more insane times bc you dont have to do things like that and you can just get what you want easier
esp ichors lmao
iirc they also make chaos give enshrouded curses bc you already know what the result of the next room is anyways lmao
tbf you can say the same for seeded i guess
the runs are pretty insane tho
Dio beo sounds weird and unpleasant
I have never used beo
as in the build or the words lmao
Well, I got to Theseus at least. Idk how to play twin fists and it’s kind of annoying me now.
You pretty much just hold attack and spam dash and unhold attack when you want to not get hit while dashing
Yeah I went on YouTube and I seen it in action. I just don’t know how to evade the CD
Cd?
Cooldown. The little pause Zagreus has before he restarts the attack
Yeah I didn’t know before. I’m learning how to dash in time before it happens
The weapon is scary against projectiles
You pretty much just do it whenever dash comes off cooldown just not spamming so much that youre on cooldown when you want to actually dodge something
For destructible projectiles dash striking usually gets rid of them since the hitbox is wide
Alright thanks. Gonna practice some more
You can also just take ddash. Its prob most consistent starting zeus keepsake for his attack then athena in asphodel for her dash and trying to pick up static discharge and zeus or dio call somewhere
😂 welp
I hate my skill issues but it’s okay. Gonna finish up the fate for the weapon and never use it again. It’s like my brain shuts off against Elysium enemies and I just straight up die.
I give up on it. I got the dash combo down so that’s my limit. Ty for the help 🙏🏾
Zeus scales really well with more zeus boons, like static discharge (the big one), double strike, splitting bolt.
Ofc, you still need 3 other gods, so stay on the look out for like
Poseidon; Tidal dash (great damage, and aoe size)
Aphrodite; Heartbreak flourish (shot and dash technically also work, but just try to get flourish) to unlock Smouldering air + Zeus or Dionysus call for smouldering air and big call damage.
Dionysus; aforementioned call works pretty well without smouldering air, you’re still spamming minicalls, hangover damage charges gauge itself.
Athena: Dash for safety, or really whatever, big selling point is Ddash and the extra dd boons.
Those are all options, so if you find one of those gods naturally or are looking for another god to force in via a keepsake into asphodel
those are the ones you want to consider
Both rly
well the build has pom bug so you get fat damage, you just gotta highroll chaos casts
and i guess mirage but you dont necessarily need that unless you want funnier numbers
i have managed to get a higher heat with the fists than any other weapon so far
That doesn't necessarily mean that fists are good tbf
All aspects work fine for like normal playthroughs up to 32 heat basically since they dont go past that
And they work fine until 40 heat, then at that point various things start to just suck
The Curious Case of Chiron
Chiron works at 32… barely
damn they are my 2nd favorite
😔
nah chiron at 32 is still fine
chiron kinda just dies once you turn on js levels really
js/cp
Trur
where damage 😔
i mean you technically don't need the damage as long as you dont have js/cp levels on
i guess by extention ap/ri too but that's like every build lmao
hangover chiron works fine for like 40 heat or whatever
since you still have "dps" and aren't being slowed down by anything other than like bp2 crap
or you got janked by hs bc you needed more spacing lmao
Simply get the rooms
simple
Triple shot feels so freaking awful to use oml.
Easily least favorite bow hammer
Triple Shot is just a fancy melee weapon
same triple shot lost me runs
Cosplaying as a beo player on zagshield
Arty strike and pos cast
But then I got charged shot and two chaos strikes so I guess we spamming cshot now
whyd u reset in chaos
I didn't
i remember resetting in chaos and accidentally set my pact to ap8
everything crossed out
wat
can dc hearts do that
no
So Dc20 or something 
That’s what any dc run looks like to a Chiron player
Wtf did you do
Is that 99 heat mod but you removed the restrictions
DC2 doesn’t slow down arthur if you just get 90% skips
🧠
just the regular old modpack
1.3.0 Reset in chaos bug probs 👍
Not a reset in Chaos
for me they are
I have an easier time with them
I haven't been able to escape with that much heat on other weapons
Got to hades with twin fists 
Forgot how much low blood Chiron sucks
Especially when you never get a good special
how much ~~ low blood~~ Chiron sucks 
Was there a reason why the dev team put the Elysium NPC on the 3rd stage and not Styx? It seems extremely hard to beat Hades when you keep losing DD there.
Probably because Styx isn’t structured like the rest of them
Plus thematically it makes more sense
You’ll get better at Styx don’t worry
This is how it feels to play Hestia
By the time you find Patroclus you're mostly done with the run anyway
It’s just I’ve never reached Styx without wasting a DD purely. I kinda doubt myself with that fact a little. The Elysium guy is really helpful
He is
And getting better at Styx covers the rest of the run so you can ideally save your 3 DDs for end
True. If i find him with no DD wasted I just do the chamber HP
He’s not guaranteed to appear though so its best not to bank on him
yeah I’ll keep trying.
That’s really all you need to do
There’s tons of little things you just learn by practice and repetition
How long did it take you to beat the game for the first time?
Honestly don’t remember, maybe 30 runs
woow that’s impressive
I got a lot of good advice from here
I’m on my 70th I think.
If you haven’t been using god trinkets it’s a good idea to use them
Poseidon trinket to force tidal dash first boon works for lots of weapons
And tidal dash + breaking wave is a good way to safely destroy Styx tunnels
In addition to being good throughout the whole run
So you actually have to work to keep your dd's. It doesnt make a lot of sense for half of your runs to just have all your previous mistakes reversed for free
Yeah that makes sense. I guess that’s why it’s so challenging. They basically test you severely and if you reach hades bruised up then that’s just a skill issue on your part.
Gotta find a way to just not be dumb and play perfect. And also to work around the boon RNG. I’ll find a way
Also for god keepsakes I haven’t unlocked those yet.
Oh wait maybe I did. I don’t fully know what those are
Hand out nectar to everyone you meet at least once
That gets you their trinket with one exception
And the trinkets you get from the Olympian gods forces the next boon you encounter to be that god
You can gift nectar to the Olympians by pressing the gift button before you accept their boon
It’d be really wierd for any npcs to be in an abandoned temple
Like the first 3 biomes are actual sections of the underworld where shades would be sorted into
elysium being heroes, asphodel being regulars and tartarus being the worst of the worst
you don’t see any shades in the temple because it isn’t a place where Shades reside
Plus like
getting all your dd’s back in styx or touch of styx dark in styx would be so cheap
Someone should mod the game so Sisyphus and Patroclus switch their offerings
what
So you get obols and heart of stone in elysium and temp buffs in tartarus?
that's a terrible change ngl
Modders have much better things to do like
gold becomes way less valuable later on, and touch of styx lasts until dad if 2 sack

boobie mods would go hard
I’m sure some of the target audience would still have to worry about death defies
Oh for sure
if you're losing DDs in tart, you're probably not making it to ely
along the same lines as uh
the types of players that would still struggle with death defiances
- Outright factually wrong in the mod blurb:
This is just selling stubbborn roots but stronger
bow p strong
What did that mod change again
I’m gonna guess triple damage on everything
yep
i think it gets built in crit
I’ll start looking for more funny mods now that it’s a few months after I took these photos
Do you just remove power shots with this
Flurry Shot stocks in shambles after mod releases
Who cares you can literally just autoclicker
I do think powershots would be quite impossible with this mod though
speaking of, my new 3rd party switch controller has a built in autoclicker setting
for
whoever needs it

The only use I’ve found for it was in dungreed where some weapons have an attack speed stat of “it’s all in the trigger finger”
