I like danger
#h1-discussion
obsidian drum
(nah, I thought it only worked if I maxed it because I escaped with 1 and didn't work?)
wait
I got the heats wrong
stiff obsidian
lol
obsidian drum
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248152852770066483/1260431570033180693/image.png ok, let's go!
stoic summit
is the dio aid good?
stiff obsidian
i think its the best
rustic vale
is the dio aid good?
It’s easily top 2 calls for damage
alongside zeus
and I guess ||Hades|| if you want to get niche
stoic summit
15 damage, 0.5 seconds for each hit lasts for 1.5 seconds
rustic vale
Hangover lasts 4 seconds
and small call dio aid proks 6 times
so you get your 5 hangover stacks on an enemy. 75 damage per damaging tick, 2 ticks per second, 150 dps, for 4 seconds
for a total of 600 single target damage with 0 poms at common
stoic summit
ooooooooohhhh
rustic vale
Consider dio call has a pretty sizeable aoe, hangover charges your call gauge back up
25% isn’t a huge amount to fill your call gauge to in the first place
stoic summit
yeah max gauge is a scam
rustic vale
yeah max gauge is a scam
That’s how it works 
the only calls you’d ever full call with are aphrodite and artemis and they’re both worse off for damage than dio or zeus
small calls for the win
Also
Let me grab a picture real quick
void vigil
when theseus shield eats your aph call projectile 
latent moon
dio call has a slightly larger radius than zeus call and is easier to scale damage since you just need poms
rustic vale
It’s a rapid amount of scaling on something that’s pretty decent at base
twin thistle
when theseus shield eats your aph call projectile <a:waaaa:853643850891788298>
Wait he can do that 
latent moon
zeus call can get pretty nutty with a few poms and supporting zeus boons too tho
but yeah you can literally gut insane numbers on dio call bc of linear pom scaling
stiff obsidian
Wait he can do that <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
yeah but not arty
rustic vale
Zeus call’s a bit different in the fact where you actually like to scale zeus with more zeus
void vigil
artemis in general pieces shields
rustic vale
yeah but not arty
Yeah but that’s just arty projectiles avoiding shields
stiff obsidian
yeah
rustic vale
Her cast does it too
latent moon
zeus call is nice for instantaneous damage, better than dio for speedrunning
but you wouldn't really complain about dio call if you got it naturally on like idk some melee aspect after both your hermes
granted it's another pom sink but it's still good, esp against bosses and if you have rd
rustic vale
LOL mb i was joking
Dw, I’d just rather not leave that up
I’m a little more “talk first, cringe at it later” without my adhd medication and that was one of those moments
void vigil
understandable
formal citrus
Is curing just not happening a known bug?
jagged hamlet
What kind of curing do you mean?
void vigil
i havent encountered that bug before - try verifying your files just in case or checking your key/controller button is working
formal citrus
Is on switch
void vigil
oh, maybe reinstalling?
i would still check the buttons, i know switch can be finicky
rustic vale
I mean it’s definitely been a little weird at times before for me
But not like
consistently none of the pools working
formal citrus
It's more likely my controller losing its rarely used a button
Tfw you successfully get an Athena stubborn defiance and then lose it to learnie
Feels bad man
rustic vale
Lernie tax is real
formal citrus
It's the -42% move speed. Still worth it for the 50% cast boost on hera but still, shucks
And somehow I'm at 70/135 HP. How does that happen?
Does the Athena stubborn heal you to half? I got the impervious one and don't have any other stubborn noosts
rustic vale
it could have
I wouldn’t put it past the game given it’s a death defiance
not a stubborn defiance
I’ve just never thought to check
formal citrus
Welp, died by dashing into an exploding egg after the fight was over
fervent radish
Does the Athena stubborn heal you to half? I got the impervious one and don't ha...
i think it is explicitly a DD yeah
formal citrus
Cool
And dang
Extra fast witches with ghost copies is tart fricken suuuuuuck
Gonna start using meg on them
Ghost copied in general suck when using hera
Using not Eris is tough
Lol 2 rerolls and no cast
Super fast ghost copied in general are bs
formal citrus
Welp, lost the DD to champions this time
jagged hamlet
Good progress!
formal citrus
Only have 140 HP anyways so would be like 2 extra hits I could survive
Have 4 whole minutes for cp2 em4
jagged hamlet
That's quite a set of pacts!
formal citrus
Adendem. It would have been one extra 150 HP hit
stiff obsidian
Using not Eris is tough
REAL
jagged hamlet
Meg's voice tickles. What a weird sensation
It must be that ASMR thing the kids talk about
indigo inlet
No, they talk about Skibidi toilet
stiff obsidian
erm what the sigma
trim siren
do y’all know how to get slashed benefits? I’m missing like just one. do i just need to keep playing?
deft crescent
do y’all know how to get slashed benefits? I’m missing like just one. do i just ...
keep playing with the benefits package
you can check the progress in the Fated List
trim siren
yeah I only had one left, made me wonder if I need to combine it with something else
void vigil
Some of them only appear in certain biomes
neon yew
Is the aspect of Gilgamesh any good?
fervent radish
meh, it has it's niche: dash only, and merciful end
Generally one of the worst/slowest aspects but people find fun in it
fervent radish
poseidon/dionysus totg or gay dude?
Generally trials are not worth it bc of danger and you can’t get duos from them
remote iris
what chamber is the 3rd boss again
jagged hamlet
HS 
Otherwise, looks good!
I'd consider taking FO1 or FO2 at some point to get used to it
mint coral
I'd drop dc and hs too
jagged hamlet
DC is okay with fists though, no?
remote iris
HS <:shadefear:520448085151842318> Otherwise, looks good!
heightened security aint that bad
just dont fall for the final fight jars
mint coral
DC is okay with fists though, no?
Kinda vibes/messes with fiery presence
mint coral
just dont fall for the final fight jars
1 heat ain't worth the 150 dmg pots
Also yeah I'd just slap on fo1 or timer 1-2
twin thistle
Hs is free until you step in a pot and 150
neon yew
Generally one of the worst/slowest aspects but people find fun in it
So what exactly makes it bad? Testing against Skelly, it kills him in just under 8 seconds by just holding down attack, while the others take about 17 seconds
Is it the dash strike? Because spamming it brought the time up for Gilgamesh to about 9 seconds (probably because 1/3 of them missed), but down to 6 seconds for the others, but only 5 seconds with maim applied, including the application of maim
jagged hamlet
Its Attack has a high damage value, but it's slow. But then its Dash-Strike is weak, and that's really bad since it and most weapon in Hades rely heavily on Dash-Strike. Maim would be okay if it procced faster, but lots of enemies die before it goes off anyway...
neon yew
I mostly use maim for the damage vulnerability, or just apply it and leave if I know it'll one-shot
Combine that with boiling blood and 3+ bloodstones, and things just get shredded
old bluff
Things get shredded very, very slowly
It's main problem is the dash, as it is shorter and has a longer cooldown
mint coral
A sad issue of fists is that its aspects are sorted into "how well they play before ME"
And gilga just doesn't have that role well done
latent moon
So what exactly makes it bad? Testing against Skelly, it kills him in just under...
Testing against skelly isn't typically a good means in determining aspect strength lol
Unless it's for like boonless runs
fervent radish
RR and maim global are both good
However, skelly doesn’t fight back
And the clunkiness of the dashes hurts when you get hit
More so because of maim
neon yew
So what niches does it fill? Is it better against bosses or no
jagged hamlet
It's fun for spamming Tidal Dash, I guess
twin thistle
So what exactly makes it bad? Testing against Skelly, it kills him in just under...
If most aspects take that long then youre prob using them wrong
fervent radish
So what niches does it fill? Is it better against bosses or no
dash only and it works for ME
yeah I think i've killed skelly in about 4 seconds
bestia
are you using shackle?
neon yew
If most aspects take that long then youre prob using them wrong
I was just holding the attack button
Safe to say I'm using them wrong
fervent radish
maim+standing strikes is probably best dps for boonless
twin thistle
Yeah thats doesnt really simulate usage in a run at all lol
neon yew
are you using shackle?
No, my tests were to get baseline performance
fervent radish
fair enough
old bluff
yeah I think i've killed skelly in about 4 seconds
You can one shot Him
twin thistle
Dash strikes increase the dps of other fists and other weapons by a lot while gilgas suck
fervent radish
i'm sure
rustic vale
So what niches does it fill? Is it better against bosses or no
None.
neon yew
Not quite sure why the devs decided to make gilg's dash strike so bad
rustic vale
Idk
Reduced dash range, slower dash strikes, and longer charging time on dashes certainly
isn’t a great mix
stiff obsidian
Combine that with boiling blood and 3+ bloodstones, and things just get shredded
boiling blood doesnt stack
neon yew
Oh
stiff obsidian
i think h2 is the perfect thing to get me back into h1
neon yew
Also how tf am I meant to use the bow, I can't seem to get much done with it, it just feels too slow, even with Chiron
jagged hamlet
Always be Dash-Striking
twin thistle
i think h2 is the perfect thing to get me back into h1
real
twin thistle
Also how tf am I meant to use the bow, I can't seem to get much done with it, it...
Chiron is the slowest bow
stiff obsidian
🗿
twin thistle
You have to first dash strike then do the special to kill things instead of just dash striking and its single target and hammer reliant
Its the worst bow generally
fervent radish
Isn't it the bow's best aspect
Worst for speed and middling for heat
twin thistle
https://imgur.com/a/Qzn2Xi0 for bow you just spam dash strike
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1245939919919120428/Hades_2024-05-29_23-10-08_-_Trim.mp4?ex=668ff839&is=668ea6b9&hm=b9ec7386fb6ccd4dc0e666033998e49b631a8b4944e82b3fff741e5484f1de89& or you get explosive or flurry and spam the pseudo tech
neon yew
Well then why does everyone say it's the best
twin thistle
Only newbs say its the best
stiff obsidian
No one says it's the best
neon yew
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1245939919919120428/...
One time I got explosive+triple and just spammed it
Was lots if fun
twin thistle
Chiron is just easy to understand and use for people who otherwise dont get bow
stiff obsidian
how is chiron more simple to understand than zag bow
neon yew
I was going by this tier list: https://youtu.be/uYTX_ZftxHc?si=IjC3DLJl-RxEVEFx and he put Chiron in S tier. If that's wrong, then what else about his list is wrong, and what would a more accurate tier list look like?
fervent radish
Haelian isn’t necessarily ranking by how good a weapon is at speed/heat
A good speed tier list is just the src leaderboards tbh
Beowulf, Hera, Achilles, eris, hestia, and Demeter are all very fast
This is my fun tierlist
maybe zagshield should be in A
fervent radish
I was going by this tier list: https://youtu.be/uYTX_ZftxHc?si=IjC3DLJl-RxEVEFx ...
this is a solid list except for chiron lol
stiff obsidian
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/973745469706629170/1243416309719371836/...
based on how fun it is?
fervent radish
This is my fun tierlist
yes
anything below A I would not play of my own free will
twin thistle
how is chiron more simple to understand than zag bow
Newbs for some reason cant dash strike
Or perfect shot
stiff obsidian
literally me
twin thistle
Idk ask reddit
stiff obsidian
thats why i start flurry
hoary root
exclusive acces boon is heavily underrated
bright sentinel
any recomendations for getting darkness?
tranquil ice
If you repeat the same heat the bosses drop darkness instead of the normal items.
fervent radish
Bosses will give disproportionately more darkness so don’t take darkness rooms if the boon works for your build
tranquil ice
Also, occasionally a deal will appear with the wretched broker that can give you darkness.
So make sure to check there after each run.
fervent radish
Try to speedrun and you’ll get darkness naturally over time
bright sentinel
thanks
mint coral
Remember checking for troves too
stoic summit
im like 25% done with resource director, im getting there. has anyone gotten 150 health, obols, or darkness from troves?
latent moon
I was going by this tier list: https://youtu.be/uYTX_ZftxHc?si=IjC3DLJl-RxEVEFx ...
First is speed, second is heat, third is overall
Might need to update it but it's still pretty good
But yeah Chiron isn't "good" it's just beginner friendly and easy to use
Most players aren't aware of what's meta and higher level play so they think whatever is easiest for them to clear with is strongest
twin thistle
Wait luci is a for speed
latent moon
So they'd think Chiron is the strongest bow when it's really not great
latent moon
Wait luci is a for speed <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I mean clockets at home is good
All rails are pretty solid for speed
Actually I think I made the tier list for like
More casual runners
So like sub10/9 speed and 32/40 heat or something
Not like highest level
stoic summit
are the speed ones good for speed overall or with the right boons?
stoic summit
yeah thats true, im trying to get resource director as fast as possible
twin thistle
Luci without triple
latent moon
yeah thats true, im trying to get resource director as fast as possible
All weapons have at least 1 aspect that can start with tidal dash
stiff obsidian
yeah thats true, im trying to get resource director as fast as possible
beo better
latent moon
So you can open exclusive access pretty easily
stiff obsidian
why do u want exclusive access
latent moon
Resource director
stiff obsidian
what
latent moon
Epic eclipses from chaos
stiff obsidian
am i missing something
latent moon
And oceans bounty
latent moon
I mean it's still good
stoic summit
tidal dash is trash though?
stiff obsidian
going for ea for epic eclipse sounds as useful as going ea for epic rd
old bluff
tidal dash is trash though?
what
latent moon
tidal dash is trash though?
It's the best dash in the game lmao
old bluff
Tdash is one of the strongest boons in the game
stiff obsidian
It's the best dash in the game lmao
the arguement can be made for divine dash 
old bluff
Not for speed
stoic summit
it pushes enemies away, its annoying?
stiff obsidian
speed kills
twin thistle
it pushes enemies away, its annoying?
No it kills them
latent moon
the arguement can be made for divine dash <:trollgebusiness:1216882192760832170>
Idk man as
latent moon
Link is broken lmao
stiff obsidian
WRONG TURN?
You look lost, stranger. You know what helps when you’re lost? A piping hot bowl of noodles. Take a seat, we’re frantically at work here cooking up something good. Oh, you need something to read? These might help you:
stoic summit
so its only good it you pom it?
twin thistle
so its only good it you pom it?
Good thing it has gamer pom scaling
stiff obsidian
tdash is only good with optimal gameplay
stoic summit
ive just been using zag sword for my runs for resource director
jagged hamlet
I can't believe someone called Tidal Dash trash 
stoic summit
okay okay il try it
twin thistle
Also you should just use nem
old bluff
I can't believe someone called Tidal Dash trash <:zagshock:1012805277042606151>
It's almost as bad as saying Chiron is good
stiff obsidian
i just played for a couple hundred hours and got resource director maxed out in no time
stoic summit
what does chiron do again?
stiff obsidian
homing specials
stoic summit
im blind and deaf apperently
stiff obsidian
stoic summit
yeah im doing the same
stiff obsidian
im guessing u misread it
stoic summit
yeah, i thought you said a couple hours lol, im like 26% done
stiff obsidian
325k darknesss
old bluff
It only took me like 600 hours, it's not THAT bad
stiff obsidian
this is when i did it
stoic summit
i dont remember how many hours ago i started and ive left the game open but im at 400 hours total
stiff obsidian
idk how much ive left it open and i hit 2k i think
nvm steam deleted another 150 hours
im at 1850 now
stoic summit
once im done with resource director i can be done with the game since its the last thing i "have" to do
stoic summit
nah im different, all there is to do is speedrunning
not rlly interesting in doing that
stiff obsidian
you can do it while going for resource director
woeful trout
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240373379073052733/1260699649560416276/S...
What makes Lucifer strong?
stiff obsidian
since most speedruns take posiedon and chaos anyway
old bluff
Triple Bomb + Wmic is a deadly combo
fervent radish
100 damage special scales really hard
stoic summit
has anyone ever gotten max trove? is it possible with the right set up and enemy spawns?
stiff obsidian
enemies wont spawn fast enough
stoic summit
they spawn differently sometimes though
stiff obsidian
doesnt matter it will go down by 1 by the time the first enemy is attackable
latent moon
nah im different, all there is to do is speedrunning
High heat?
stoic summit
i guess, but thats kinda similar for really high heat, getting good luck for a good run
ive gotten 32 heat for skelly
stiff obsidian
time to do gilga 50 🙏
latent moon
i guess, but thats kinda similar for really high heat, getting good luck for a g...
Don't exactly need good luck until you use ap2 really
And ri1 I guess
It's more mechanical skill than rng
stiff obsidian
going ap0 ri0 em4 and try to highroll into ME + RD
stiff obsidian
getting out of tart is hard
stoic summit
i cant remember what those are but whats the point anyway?
latent moon
getting out of tart is hard
Anyheat but ouchy
stiff obsidian
anyheat but ouchy
is free after ME tho
assuming you get patty
and extra dds
i hate this plan already
latent moon
Just don't die
stiff obsidian
can count on you for solid advice anyday 👍
stoic summit
🤷♂️
cunning niche
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1156082468462542868/...
whys hades spear that bad
do high lvl players actually not bother spinning
stiff obsidian
whys hades spear that bad
its actually horrible
latent moon
Because debuffing enemies is less intuitive than buffing yourself
latent moon
It's bad unless it's guan Yu
cunning niche
its kinda fun to use idk
latent moon
And you have quick spin
latent moon
its kinda fun to use idk
Fun doesn't mean good unfortunately lmao
cunning niche
sadly
stiff obsidian
athena midboss pray for me
latent moon
There's probably like
Techs or whatever idk the right word
For hades spear that can make it better for speed and heat bc 150% is still a lot
stiff obsidian
i tried to get hades 50 over with earlier and you get eaten alive by the time you get the spin up
latent moon
But it'd still underperform Achilles and zag bc of flurry jab
stiff obsidian
idk how mysterra did it with freaking serrated + lightning strike
twin thistle
ive gotten 32 heat for skelly
Its not really rng dependent until you go for like over 45
latent moon
idk how mysterra did it with freaking serrated + lightning strike
Bc it's mysterra
twin thistle
And certain aspects are still pretty consistent anyways
stoic summit
yeah im talking about like 50-60+
latent moon
You don't have to go that high lmao
stoic summit
i need some goal to go after
twin thistle
Like ppl can reasonably winstreak stuff like hestia at 50
stoic summit
if i did high heat i would want to get as high as possible
latent moon
i need some goal to go after
Set it for 45 or 50 then
And see if you wanna keep going after that
stoic summit
ill see but gimme 5,000 hours i gotta finish resource director lol
latent moon
Lmao fair
stiff obsidian
at 50+ enemy rng is what you have to worry about over boon rng
latent moon
Lmao that's kinda true
stoic summit
i got rank 23 so im almost half way right guys???
stiff obsidian
LOL
this is my first attempt
and i still need to roll for patty impending good hermes and possibly extra dds
and i could still die bc em4
earnest turtle
50 heat sheesh
mint coral
You can use the speedrunning pact for faster runs in general
Em2 + fo2 + td to avoid survival rooms
stoic summit
is it possible to get all the boons of a god so they only offer 2?
twin thistle
at 50+ enemy rng is what you have to worry about over boon rng
speeder slugger elysium elites
stiff obsidian
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> speeder slugger elysium elites
why did you jinx me
watch me throw this
old bluff
goddam
stiff obsidian
no poms or dd or rd tho, im screwred
lavish sorrel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217358637836796004/1260712226696724500/i...
ORANG
sudden fjord
can someone help me with some modding ?
i want to replace some base audios from the game with something different but i just cant find where they are in the game files
old bluff
Rip
stiff obsidian
barely made it to 2.2
not even close
maybe ill try ri1 ap1 and still go for ME
the good news is if that works, i should be able to do it on hades spear too
latent moon
Should
rustic vale
can someone help me with some modding ?
i want to replace some base audios from...
The Hades modding server pinned in #self-promotion should have people way more equipped
for your question
stoic summit
you can go into chaos gates in the middle of a trove????? why????
rustic vale
you can go into chaos gates in the middle of a trove????? why????
you can always leave midtrove
stoic summit
really? thats weird
rustic vale
there's nothing keeping you there
rustic vale
the doors are already unlocked and the guards have something else to defend
twin thistle
it can be useful when you forget to proc your sd
latent moon
i love using troves to reset sd
makes it so i dont have to think about resetting it on the last enemy of the room
so i dont mistime the end of the wave lmao
buoyant geode
oh thats smart i always mistime it in elysium
latent moon
yeah just make sure there's a trove in that room lmao
could buy a trove tracker in the well but that's a bit sus
jagged hamlet
That's so smart
latent moon
buying the trove tracker? i never buy those things when i'm on SD lmao
i guess it could be insurance but i guess it depends on how comfrotable you are with determining wave length
a good chunk of ely rooms have eggs tho i think so you can rely on those
keen mortar
or alternatively just be bad enough that you die anyways
latent moon
true
jagged hamlet
I meant using Troves to reset SD. Apologies for being unclear
jagged hamlet
Your idea too though, TBH.
latent moon
i dont remember who gave me that idea or if i figured that out on my own but it's super handy
i just realized i never put that in my guide lmao
gonna do that rn
fervent radish
hades 1 dead
hades 1 is dead when I wake up and stickybot is the only one active in the channels
stiff obsidian
lets hades our 1
fervent radish
who up hadesing they 1 rn
it's ok, hades 1 will not die atleast until I beat 64 heat
jagged hamlet
That's incredible! Good luck!
lavish sorrel
it's ok, hades 1 will not die atleast until I beat 64 heat
😌
so basically it will ne- 
fervent radish
potentially
lavish sorrel
(more seriously, gl)
stiff obsidian
done 60 yet
old bluff
it's ok, hades 1 will not die atleast until I beat 64 heat
Hades 1 ain’t dead til I get sub 5
jagged hamlet
Hades 1 is dead to me without young jazzreus hilariously commenting 🗿 at everyone
stiff obsidian
agreed
fervent radish
real
rustic vale
Hades 1 is dead to me without young jazzreus hilariously commenting 🗿 at everyo...
How am I supposed to talk about Hades 1 when Jazz isn’t here to tell me she’s washed 😔
jagged hamlet
And then Bananas has to reply with the stairway comic 
rustic vale
If it ain’t Beo, fix it
stiff obsidian
lmfao
will i make it through ely
find out on the next episode of false side sucks at hades
right here in your h1 discussion channel
fervent radish
🙏
raw herald
will i make it through ely
no:)
latent moon
Lmfao deeply unfortunate
old bluff
While yes, but Flood Flare is better than both
latent moon
Assuming rng goes your way then trippy is better than passion yeah lmao
runic bobcat
While yes, but Flood Flare is better than both
i should try floodflare
i never have for some reason
thatll be my next build
old bluff
Just go for Mirage Shot duo from Arty and Pos
runic bobcat
ah
arctic hill
i hear someoen say you cant get duos in trial rooms - is this true? and is it the same for legendaries?
runic bobcat
i usually just get tidal dash and arty something
latent moon
No duos yeah
old bluff
i hear someoen say you cant get duos in trial rooms - is this true? and is it th...
You can get legos, not duos
latent moon
But you can get legendaries
arctic hill
cool, thanks. any other weird things like thet in the game i should know?
i totally have been trying to get duos in trials like an idiot lol
runic bobcat
i totally have been trying to get duos in trials like an idiot lol
you do get 2 boons in one room though
old bluff
i dont like any of the legs taht much
The only really good one is Zeus, and Demeter's is passible
runic bobcat
The only really good one is Zeus, and Demeter's is passible
yes
i like zeus alot
wth is poiiedons man
crystal python
man failing for the first time is so shameful
latent moon
Arty is good but not practical to get most of the time lmao
runic bobcat
who wants to fish
runic bobcat
Arty is good but not practical to get most of the time lmao
so rare
arctic hill
you do get 2 boons in one room though
right it is a good trade lol i just wish i knew i couldn’t get seat storm when a pos+zeus trail was offered to me and the other door was just pos
runic bobcat
you never get it with beowold
latent moon
who wants to fish
His other legendary Second wave is decent
runic bobcat
His other legendary Second wave is decent
how do you get it?
old bluff
Eh, SW is pretty meh
runic bobcat
i only get fishinf
latent moon
I don't remember the prereqs lmao
old bluff
You need Breaking Wave or Typhoon's fury iirc
arctic hill
also, does increasing boon rarity through certain means make it more likely to get a duo/legendary? or is it specifically for boon rarity
like the keepsakes being 20% rare or better - does that or better also apply to legos and duos?
latent moon
I think it's like a global boost or something idk
old bluff
It's 10% right?
lavish sorrel
+10 duo / leg chance, no?
runic bobcat
duo>>>>>>legs
latent moon
Yeah
latent moon
Most legendaries are eh and are hard to get
latent moon
Duos are way more practical to get and they're actually good but there are some stinkers
runic bobcat
Duos are way more practical to get and they're actually good but there are some ...
like...
old bluff
Bad News if it was easier to get would be great
runic bobcat
ummmm
latent moon
Parting shot
lavish sorrel
duo>>>>>>legs
splitting bolt, 
, chaos legendary, bad news, fully loaded on castspects 
latent moon
Unshakeable mettle
latent moon
Freezing vortex
runic bobcat
Freezing vortex
yeah
latent moon
Curse of longing
latent moon
Splitting headache
runic bobcat
yeah'
runic bobcat
There's better duos for chiron
its it isnt bad
lavish sorrel
not bad on chiron
chiron is bad at most stuff and that makes this duo mediocre at best too
latent moon
Unfortunate
old bluff
Sea Storm Chiron is best 🙂
runic bobcat
i get it on some random beowolf run everytime
old bluff
Why are you taking Zeus cores on Beo?
latent moon
Oh the aphro Dem meme beam duo I forgot the name sucks too lmao
lavish sorrel
i get it on some random beowolf run everytime
just don't open it on beo 
runic bobcat
Sea Storm Chiron is best 🙂
nah, im hangover
lavish sorrel
old bluff
oh, mb
latent moon
Cold fusion is eh but has some niche times where it's good
arctic hill
Duos are way more practical to get and they're actually good but there are some ...
yeah i keep getting zeus artemis and it drives me CRAZY
lavish sorrel
Cold fusion is eh but has some niche times where it's good
insert that one retrash clip here
runic bobcat
ill have the aid from dio and some revenge boon from ares
arctic hill
i’m not even trying for it it just shows up always
latent moon
yeah i keep getting zeus artemis and it drives me CRAZY
Rod is amazing tho lmao
old bluff
Zeus and Arty are best good on almost every weapon
runic bobcat
Rod is amazing tho lmao
i dunno how to use it
runic bobcat
Zeus and Arty are best good on almost every weapon
posieden>>>>>>zeus
lavish sorrel
i dunno how to use it
you throw out your casts and let them do their thing
arctic hill
wait is tit that good
latent moon
If I recorded my last zag sword run I could've sent my dad clip lmao
old bluff
wait is tit that good
If you have Jolted, yes
latent moon
40 sec dad fight with rod and epic rd
arctic hill
i keep not using it effectevly because i’m never doing cast builds when i get it
lavish sorrel
wait is tit that good
it's not CRAZY good damage but it's got some scaling in the form of static discharge / double strike from zeus, and has a fair bit of range
runic bobcat
i keep not using it effectevly because i’m never doing cast builds when i get it
not for cast build
its like side dmg
old bluff
Yeah, never take Rod on Beo or Hera
arctic hill
ahhhhh i see
old bluff
It shortens cast pickup range
runic bobcat
chiron>hera
latent moon
It makes the pick up radius for casts smaller and harder to pick up
lavish sorrel
chiron>hera
old bluff
chiron>hera
Hera>Chiron
latent moon
chiron>hera
Speedrun former world records would like to disagree
runic bobcat
Speedrun former world records would like to disagree
i dont speedrun
old bluff
Speedrun former world records would like to disagree
All six of them
latent moon
Lmfao
runic bobcat
i like to see the homing
lavish sorrel
chiron>hera
ykw if we're talking high heat then I'm not gonna stand in your way
latent moon
i dont speedrun
Sure but shows Chiron is not better than Hera lmao
old bluff
Hera high heat is kinda sad
runic bobcat
ykw if we're talking high heat then I'm not gonna stand in your way
i dont do high heat
lavish sorrel
i dont do high heat
then you're wrong 
latent moon
Lmfao
runic bobcat
Sure but shows Chiron is not better than Hera lmao
sppedrunning is not all there is to the game
latent moon
Yeah but it shows that Hera is much stronger compared to Chiron
runic bobcat
its about the joy of seeing funny numbers
latent moon
Hera has better numbers
old bluff
Hera is very good at funny number
runic bobcat
Yeah but it shows that Hera is much stronger compared to Chiron
never said chiron is sronger
said mor efun
latent moon
It was implied lmao
runic bobcat
It was implied lmao
never assume
lavish sorrel
its about the joy of seeing funny numbers
you just went from talking about numbers to arguing it's not about the numbers
fervent radish
Chiron = Gilgamesh for fun
lavish sorrel
paws up
runic bobcat
you just went from talking about numbers to arguing it's not about the numbers <...
that is there
latent moon
I thought Arthur was lower
fervent radish
Atleast lowest bow
fervent radish
Yeye that’s fair
runic bobcat
first bow aspect i maxe on
latent moon
You can like it but doesn't mean it's good unfortunately lmao
runic bobcat
You can like it but doesn't mean it's good unfortunately lmao
it isnt like guan yu
jagged hamlet
"It ain't the best, but it's my buddy"
- Chumpty, probably
fervent radish
Guan yu is good
lavish sorrel
first bow aspect i maxe on
yeah, pretty common thing to do in casual play. chiron bow specifically and the fist aspects are the most casual-friendly afaik
runic bobcat
Guan yu is good
not better than chiron
latent moon
it isnt like guan yu
Guan Yu can clear 64 lol
fervent radish
not better than chiron
Yes it is
crystal python
which common boon of zeus would you guys deem best?
old bluff
Chiron = Gilgamesh for fun
@fringe dust Paws Up
runic bobcat
Guan Yu can clear 64 lol
how and why
fervent radish
Whatever is fun to you is fine
lavish sorrel
which common boon of zeus would you guys deem best?
are we including duos and legendaries?
old bluff
SPIN
latent moon
how and why
Spin strong apparently
crystal python
like if you could only have a common boon from each god what would it be?
latent moon
And animation cancel
crystal python
are we including duos and legendaries?
no
fervent radish
Lightning strike is pretty ok at common
runic bobcat
i keep dying with guan yu
fervent radish
Mostly bc it opens jolted
lavish sorrel
the call or the attack then, or possibly static discharge depending on rarity
old bluff
Attack kinda Goated, cast is really nice for tart tho
runic bobcat
which common boon of zeus would you guys deem best?
the special
fervent radish
Cast hits breakpoints even at common
runic bobcat
i like it on chiron
crystal python
Lightning strike is pretty ok at common
yeah i think it’s okay
latent moon
i keep dying with guan yu
Charged skewer guan Yu is very safe
lavish sorrel
Cast hits breakpoints even at common
idkman common cast makes me cry
crystal python
wow
latent moon
But needs the hammer
jagged hamlet
CS Guan Yu is just a long-ranged bow
fervent radish
idkman common cast makes me cry
This is in a hestia context
runic bobcat
But needs the hammer
so its seeded
fervent radish
No
crystal python
i was playing on a different console but now have restarted on my proper one
lavish sorrel
This is in a hestia context
ah, right
fervent radish
Just normal modded
latent moon
Well the 64 was modded but that doesn't change the fact that it can clear
crystal python
so i think i might go lightning strike when offered
old bluff
People reset for hammers in unmodded
old bluff
so i think i might go lightning strike when offered
Depends on weapon
lavish sorrel
so i think i might go lightning strike when offered
this isn't entirely true, there are aspects and builds where lightning strike is bad
latent moon
Also the 64 clear used quick spin lmao
crystal python
Depends on weapon
starter weapon since i just started on this one
lavish sorrel
but we're saying, generally, lightning strike is pretty good
old bluff
Special or cast bestfor sword
fervent radish
Oh maybe double strike
crystal python
this isn't entirely true, there are aspects and builds where lightning strike is...
yeah i’m tryna go for a heavy hitter build but idk
latent moon
But charged skewer is just easier and safer for most people, it's just not possible to clear 64 with bc of damage control
fervent radish
I’m not sure how it’s bugged but it could be effective at common
crystal python
but we're saying, generally, lightning strike is pretty good
yeah, i understand that. i’m just going or considering going lightning strike
lavish sorrel
Special or cast bestfor sword
preferred low% run2 start (forced zeus) is cast, with zeus attack -> jolted otherwise, though this is obviously different on a maxed save
crystal python
another boon that sounds good is electric shot
old bluff
That is the cast
lavish sorrel
😌
fervent radish
Zeus comfy
fervent radish
Thunder flare
tepid light
person below me is never allowed to use beowulf again
lavish sorrel
Except on Beo
mysterra's thunder flare
crystal python
hmm idk
fervent radish
Lmao
tepid light
rip alex
lavish sorrel
person below me is never allowed to use beowulf again
wasn't planning on it 😌
old bluff
Just say beo
fervent radish
I don’t think he’s complaining
old bluff
easy as that
latent moon
Where did mysterra rank thunder flare again lmao
lavish sorrel
Where did mysterra rank thunder flare again lmao
nah
latent moon
All I remember is that slicing was third
old bluff
Bottom iirc
old bluff
The only cast that could even possibly be worse is Dem
latent moon
Slicing flare stocks are through the roof tho
old bluff
Slicing flare stocks are through the roof tho
getting rid of DC is pretty nice
latent moon
That's so true
I did 40 with slicing flare a long while ago and unironically I think it's pretty decent
lavish sorrel
find a moment where packrat isn't stalking the sggcord hades discussion channel challenge (impossible)
old bluff
How does slicing flare work with lego and mirage
latent moon
Granted it was cshot start so it didnt suck lmao
latent moon
How does slicing flare work with lego and mirage
Don't work with either
Lego for sure, mirage not sure
old bluff
ofc
latent moon
But from what I've heard I think
lavish sorrel
find a moment where packrat isn't stalking the sggcord hades discussion channel ...
oh I completed the challenge it seems
latent moon
I should do slicing flare 45-50 that might be funny
I kinda suck at 50 beo tho lmao
I keep getting iframe bugged
lavish sorrel
I kinda suck at 50 beo tho lmao
dw we all suck at 50, period
latent moon
Fair but I mean like
old bluff
I just suck at beo, i'm new guys pls help
latent moon
Compared to the other aspects I have done 50 with (or attempted) I get hit way more with beo
fervent radish
So what you want to do is start icy flare
And get as much Zeus as possible and look for cold fusion
latent moon
I just blast through stuff faster so it's not as bad but boss fights are so sus
fervent radish
Fully loaded is another good thing to have
old bluff
And get as much Zeus as possible and look for cold fusion
omg thank you!
latent moon
So true bestie
lavish sorrel
Fully loaded is another good thing to have
and as many attack buffs as possible for sudden rush to do work
old bluff
What is thebest hammer for beo?
latent moon
Charged flight imo
lavish sorrel
I hate this convo I'm already dying of laughter 
latent moon
The special is a bit slow to get out and that hammer gets rid of the charge up time
So you can spam it basically
fervent radish
I hate this convo I'm already dying of laughter <:madelmao:640606895001960451>
But your enemies will be dying of jolted that expires only after 10 seconds
old bluff
What about empowering flight? I heard that was really good
old bluff
Okay, thanks everybody will go try my first run with this!
fervent radish
Gl, hope you can beat 1 heat!
latent moon
Em4 or bust
Just had a realization that you can clear with beo for your first attempt and would be hilarious tbh
crystal python
how much damage does dash strike do base damage?
latent moon
On what
fervent radish
No
latent moon
Well there's 6 different weapons lmao
crystal python
sorry trying to calculate how beneficial hunter dash would be
crystal python
Well there's 6 different weapons lmao
oh sorry i meant w starter weapon
fervent radish
Good on sword and hestia
latent moon
Sword?
crystal python
yeah
latent moon
I don't remember but it's on the wiki iirc
crystal python
But it’s a very glass cannon choice
bc i feel like using dash strike would make me too vulnerable
crystal python
idk i just feel like i’m not too good with it
crystal python
yeah
fervent radish
Or Athena strike and arty dash
crystal python
i think i’ll settle for deadly flourish
fervent radish
Okay, thanks everybody will go try my first run with this!
i'm gonna do a 50 run with this when I get a chance
it'll be funny
EM4 obv
fervent radish
i am enjoying EM4 immensely
partially bc it's something new but it's such a cool fight
keen mortar
too many notes/sec, ears defeated
fervent radish
just as i like it
tepid light
partially bc it's something new but it's such a cool fight
YES EXACTLY
SOMEONE GETS IT
keen mortar
if i'm doing em4 forced overtime goes off
tepid light
if i'm doing em4 forced overtime goes **off**
this is why i have kept fo1 for the longest time and never gone further
keen mortar
before beating forced overtime em4 i'll have to get enough reaction time to get a perfect fish
i have literally never gotten a perfect fish
tepid light
mash deez nuts
old bluff
i'm gonna do a 50 run with this when I get a chance
pls dont
fervent radish
I’m gonna do it
old bluff
I had like 200% additive and was only doing 320 damage
fervent radish
Jolted though
old bluff
Also don't look at the Tis fight
latent moon
YES EXACTLY
SOMEONE GETS IT
I like doing em4 when I'm doing meme runs at a clearable heat lmao
Not gonna try and do em4 at higher heats when I'm gonna do a pb
tepid light
I like doing em4 when I'm doing meme runs at a clearable heat lmao
I mean I've mentioned that I'm likely never going to go above a certain heat because it would force me to take heat modifiers that I personally hate while still doing em4
So yeah, fair enough
latent moon
Hl5 em4 when I barely know the fight is not fun lmao
I've done mirrorless em4 but not hl5 em4 I think lmao
If I did do hl5 em4 it was probably like anyheat beo build and just nuked it anyways so it didn't matter lol
old bluff
The last time I did hl5 and Em4, I got epic RD + Clockets on Eris
latent moon
It do be like that
latent moon
The last time I did hl5 and Em4, I got epic RD + Clockets on Eris
You should do mirrorless em4 :)
It'll be fun I promise
old bluff
What weapon
stiff obsidian
The only really good one is Zeus, and Demeter's is passible
Athena
old bluff
oh yeah, I forgor
crystal python
i’m about to hit the outside chambers of tartarus and i’m kind of nervous!
rustic vale
Sword dash strike does 30
Yep
neon yew
If I have shattered shackle, does hunter dash overwrite the damage boost or no
stiff obsidian
the dash doesnt do any damage anyway
your bonus attack damage would only be overwritten if you take an attack boon
same for special and cast
dash and call dont do any damage without boons anyway so taking boons on those dont do anything
neon yew
Hunter dash boosts dash boosts dash strike damage, not make the dash itself do damage
Which is why im asking
neon yew
K
fervent radish
Hunter dash boosts dash boosts dash strike damage, not make the dash itself do d...
You would get 170% additive if epic hdash
neon yew
Hell yeah
fervent radish
very nice on hestia
stiff obsidian
considering epic aphro strike gives u the same result but can also be pommed and frees keepsake slot
can be better
fervent radish
Shackle is mostly if you lack an attack out of Tartarus
fervent radish
considering epic aphro strike gives u the same result but can also be pommed and...
in a non FBE world though
stiff obsidian
wahst
fervent radish
first boon epic
fervent radish
but modded doesn't mean first boon epic
stiff obsidian
its understood
lavish sorrel
Shackle is mostly if you lack an attack out of Tartarus
interesting, on a fair few high heat aspects I tend to start shackle and then unequip it if I came across a good enough attack in tartarus
👀
fervent radish
yeah so just to have keepsake open, i would just be resetting for epic attack here
stiff obsidian
fervent radish
pls dont
this is so bad wtf
i do 0 damage
why is it a hunter flare without crits
cunning niche
Charged flight imo
isnt charged flight beo like actually ok
rustic vale
isnt charged flight beo like actually ok
It was better when it was 500% and not 300% base damage
cunning niche
i got 4 different numbers
rustic vale
ok well
In their defence
The hammer is +200% base damage and formerly +400% base damage
which means that
once you factor it in
You’re dealing 300% base damage, or formerly 500%
it wasn’t additive damage
cunning niche
oh thats fair actually
rustic vale
Solve your busted hammer with this one, simple trick (Charged Flight Beo players hate this!): halve the boost it gives you
cunning niche
~~Solve your busted hammer with this one, simple trick (Charged Flight Beo playe...
i mean its still like ok at least right
old bluff
Beo is a cast weapon
rustic vale
The thing is beowulf is just so much more powerful with charged shot and casts
old bluff
So a special hammer is basically useless
rustic vale
The thing is beowulf is just so much more powerful with charged shot and casts
Something that’s only been realised harder and harder over the years since
cunning niche
Something that’s only been realised harder and harder over the years since
years since?
was charged flight beo the optimal playstyle in like earlya ccess or msth
i wasnt around then
rustic vale
Charged flight was nerfed back in early access. I wasn’t around then, but clearly enough people were using it that they felt it needed nerfing
cunning niche
Charged flight was nerfed back in early access. I wasn’t around then, but clearl...
ah i see
i still think its a lot of fun at least
i rmbr it got me an em4 nohit
old bluff
Yeah, from what I heard people used to do special beo before they knew how strong casts could get
Especially because Eris was all the rage back then, so Beo got very little attention
cunning niche
So it got a lot less testing
mkirage shot
latent moon
Which was also why it has so many bugs yeah lmao
cunning niche
what other bugs does it even have
latent moon
When the casts are popping you don't have iframes
cunning niche
i know icy flare sucking so hard is basically a bug
latent moon
Rare crop bricks your cshot damage
cunning niche
When the casts are popping you don't have iframes
oh what
cunning niche
Rare crop bricks your cshot damage
how
latent moon
Instead of 80 base it goes back to 50 base
cunning niche
just taking rare crop??
latent moon
Yeah lmao
cunning niche
how does that
latent moon
Idk lmao
Eury rarity upgrade does weird stuff too
Selling your attack and I think upgrading the rarity too makes passion flare and icy flare radius go back to normal cast radius
Trippy flare poms do double than what is says
cunning niche
are passion and icy flare worse than normal?
cunning niche
Trippy flare poms do double than what is says
ohh i think i know abt that one from haelian
latent moon
Passion flare has the highest base damage so it's used for high heat
Icy flare is ass tho
cunning niche
purple casts my beloved
cunning niche
Passion flare has the highest base damage so it's used for high heat
thats fair
whats hunters flare like
i havent used half of the flares
cunning niche
wouldnt zeus' flare be really good too bc of double strike
rustic vale
stop
rustic vale
wouldnt zeus' flare be really good too bc of double strike
It doesn’t count as a cast
cunning niche
wouldnt zeus' flare be really good too bc of double strike
or does it suck for some arbitrary reason
latent moon
wouldnt zeus' flare be really good too bc of double strike
Oh funny enough
rustic vale
so it doesn’t get any cast bonuses
latent moon
Zeus cast has 0 damage lmfao
cunning niche
what
latent moon
All it does is summon a bolt that does damage
Which you can see if you get a replaxe
old bluff
Don't forget changing the attack rarity with Eury makes cast damage go crazy
latent moon
It says your cast goes from whatever damage say 200 to 0 lmao
cunning niche
oh goddamnit
latent moon
It quite literally has 0 damage
mint coral
Thunder flare moment
cunning niche
woudlnt it still be kind of ok with double strike
latent moon
It's like eh
old bluff
No, it's range is trash
latent moon
The bolt doesn't shoot to where you are tho
cunning niche
fun meme build i guess
mint coral
Double is kinda mirage but the range is lmao
latent moon
It goes to the nearest enemy
cunning niche
No, it's range is trash
simply pom high voltage 200 times
latent moon
So it's finicky
latent moon
At the end of the room?
rustic vale
Yeah
old bluff
simply pom high voltage 200 times
I don't think that works like you think it does
old bluff
It happens if you spam cast to fast
cunning niche
I don't think that works like you think it does
😔
cunning niche
i will do a thunder flare run when i playu trhis game again
that sounds like the funniestg thing
mint coral
Play slicing flare and get the legendary that does nothing
stiff obsidian
iirc it is possible to scale it up quite well
stiff obsidian
just not the way youd expect
old bluff
Ares lego is weird in general
stiff obsidian
are is weird
cunning niche
Ares legendary doesn't work at all on it for some reas9n
...
why is it not a doom cast
rustic vale
I don't think that works like you think it does
Never asked Hellfire bot was higj voltage ps was 😔
rustic vale
why is it not a doom cast
Multicasting just wouldn’t do anything
mint coral
And yeah his legendary is only +1 on dash/cast instead of the intended +2
cunning niche
Multicasting just wouldn’t do anything
ah thats fair
man slicing flare sounds so weird tho
does it js stay in one place
mint coral
The only one that it works correctly is the call 
cunning niche
And yeah his legendary is only +1 on dash/cast instead of the intended +2
oh thats why it feels like it does nothing
old bluff
How does it interact with FV
mint coral
does it js stay in one place
It moves a tiny bit
stiff obsidian
whats fv
mint coral
It has way bigger AoE but lasts way less
old bluff
Freezing Vortex
cunning niche
is hunting blades mirage shot beo a rel thing
mint coral
Nope
cunning niche
potentially
stiff obsidian
old bluff
why
mint coral
Hunting is disabled for flare
cunning niche
damn this game
old bluff
no, it's kinda mid
cunning niche
it looks really cool at least
stiff obsidian
i mean we are are talking about ares cast on beowulf i think freezing vortex belongs in the convo
latent moon
freezing vortex on beo is probably fine bc the radius of slicing flare is so large lmao
i've never tried it tho
dont want to try it
mint coral
You are still playing ares cast tho
cunning niche
do yall think chill tier 2's are ok
rustic vale
is hunting blades mirage shot beo a rel thing
If you wanted it to
latent moon
You are still playing ares cast tho
hey man
old bluff
eh, they mid asf
latent moon
mysterra said it was the third best cast for beo at high heat
mint coral
Killing freeze is great
rustic vale
do yall think chill tier 2's are ok
Killimg freeze my beloved
latent moon
i dont want to hear any slicing flare slander
cunning niche
Killimg freeze my beloved
really
mint coral
Wait what are the t2s again
mint coral
Kf/blast and what else
rustic vale
Wait what are the t2s again
Blast KF and ig if you want it to count snow burst
mint coral
Yeah artic blast is sad
cunning niche
what do ppl here think of ravenous will
old bluff
Blast KF and ig if you want it to count snow burst
Not snurst
old bluff
what do ppl here think of ravenous will
good
mint coral
what do ppl here think of ravenous will
Comfy pick
stiff obsidian
ravenous will my beloved
latent moon
always good yea
rustic vale
Arctic blast has an internal cooldown before you can stack chill again
cunning niche
i picked it a lot bc at epic its prety high
mint coral
It was funnier before when only the DR was rarity scaling
stiff obsidian
i remember eury making my rav will heroic