h1-discussion

[jagged hamlet]

StickyBot is just, but StickyBot is also merciful

[terse leaf]

i think hades is a nice person

lord hades only try to apear tough

but hes a softy

actualy dash nova isnt taht bad, i just got it the previous run(what are the ods lol) and i did well against megragita or watver her name was

@stiff obsidian

[stiff obsidian]

nice

[terse leaf]

although it makes me miss at time, but when i get mobs cornerd, its death for them, especialy i had my special enhanced twice by artemiris

[cunning cobalt]

He's the most decent of his family and he's trying tobe a good person, but he has no role models and thinks he's perfect just for not eating Zag.

[lavish sorrel]

guess whose files are also fresh

[fervent radish]

Wow Alex ca(pronounced like car), whatever do you mean by that?

🗿

[lavish sorrel]

[terse leaf]

how do i upgrade the sword

i just beat meg

do i need to escape at least once before i can open that menu ?

[mint coral]

Unlock all weapons

[woven cloud]

while using the bow + aspect of chiron, why does't each individual arrow from special cast (volley) proc the on-hit effects boons such as Curse of Pain (Ares)?
Would that be too broken?

[old bluff]

Doom can only be proced 1 once from any source at a time, it is not just chiron

And yes it would be way stronger and prob too op

[woven cloud]

what about lightning from zeus' boons?

do the y proc multiple times? or even dionysus

[jagged hamlet]

Dionysus yes, but Zeus only a few times due to its internal cooldown

[high bridge]

ok ha. ha. very funny. was definitely not expecting that though lol

[formal citrus]

How does weak interact with hard labour? Are they additive or multiplicative with each other?

[stiff obsidian]

Multiplicative iirc

[formal citrus]

Makes sense

Dang, a quarter of hades 3 health bar from em50

[stiff obsidian]

Hades 3 em50 confirmed?

[rustic vale]

(base damage + enemy additive +%) *(damage reduction)

[misty hill]

hi guys, my friend is a big hades fan and her bday was coming up, and I was wondering if there was any funny reference/hades inside joke I could say out loud to them when I give the gift or write on their bday card ? idk if that makes sense, but yea 👍🏾

thanks in advance btw! :D

[north ledge]

happy birthday/night? no one really knows what time it is

[misty hill]

that’s a reference right ?

lol this going slightly over my head probably shows my lack of experience w/ hades

[arctic hill]

is there any benefit to exceeding the heeat gauge instead of just meeting it?

like can i get rewards quicker that way and skip heats?

[latent moon]

Nah you won't get rewards faster

You can still skip but you'll only complete bounties for the lowest you have available

[dark spruce]

what the hell is conch shell

its in a prerequisites for poseidens fishing legendary but not in the boon list

[unreal mason]

It's his keepsake

you don't necessarily need it to get the legendary, just enough prereqs

but it'll make it easier to get it if you have it equiped

[iron epoch]

I love comparing PJO and Hades. Like the differences between Percy Jackson Alecto vs Hades Alecto, Percy Jackson Dionysus vs Hades Dionysus, even Nyx vs Nyx, it's all so funny

[dark spruce]

ohh

[simple inlet]

I had a epic heartbreak strike at lvl 2, and I met dionyus with a heroic drunken strike, I meant to take trippy shot because heartbreak strike is eally good, but I misclicked, it doesn't ruin my build, but I would rather have heartbreak tbh

[spice oxide]

Hades is such a fun game to learn

My 1st escape took 35 minutes, my 2nd one took me 24 minutes (and I thought I was insanely fast)

3rd escape I took 17 minutes

[rustic vale]

Mo

I do

It’s 7:48

[rustic vale]

You wouldn’t happen to know their favourite {insert anything in Hades}

like

God/goddess, weapon/aspect of choice, etc

Might be a bit easier to tailor a nice joke they’re sure to understand if it has to do with the god or weapon they’re most familiar with

I mean ofc you could also just go for general Hades jokes but I may need to come back to you in 8 hours after a good nights sleep

[iron epoch]

is there a collection of all the things shades will say if you listen to them? or even do? because I went to listen to a shade but it just did a stretch? a little dance? I don't know I wasn't entirely paying attention

[obsidian drum]

https://youtu.be/PUxZS45XGgU a friend of mine sent me this video because she thought that's how Zagreus's voice sounds like and now I can't see Nyx dealing with child Zagreus

[manic rune]

JUST MADE IT TO EPILOGUE LETS GOOOO ONLY 11 ACHIEVEMENTS LEFT TO 100%

That was a fantastic epilogue and I can’t wait to see what hades 2 has(when it’s out in full,,,,and I am able to play till the end)

Now onto the rough achievements(high heat will be the death of me)

[rustic vale]

Idk man it’s really gratifying

[unkempt linden]

why does zag not go to olympus when he gets past hades..? its my first clear and im hella confused on why he didint just call zeus

[unreal mason]

When you clear it you can see that olympus was never Zag's objective, he was trying to find his mother. However even if that was his objective he cannot survive on the surface long enough to get there.

His mother Persephone lives away from Olympus

Edited to be less aggressive^

[unkempt linden]

ye ik zag keeps saying that he just wants the surface, but in one of the boon messages for zeus he says to call him and he will personaly escort him to olympus, couldnt zag just do that?

once he saw hes dying

[unreal mason]

Keep playing the game, it will answer why he can't reside within Olympus (also why he has no desire to go there)

[tepid light]

I was gonna type up a long explanation but yeah, probs just better to find out on your own

[unkempt linden]

oh alrighty, thanks!

[unreal mason]

ah shucks, shouldn't have replied so we could hear a cool analysis

[tepid light]

nah, i was just gonna spell out the reasons

[unkempt linden]

wait so the game ending aint gonna be the same thing every time i beat it?

[tepid light]

correct

[unkempt linden]

oh thats actualy cool, glad i bought this game then

[stiff obsidian]

the first clear is the start of the story, not the end

[wintry spire]

.

[rustic vale]

You’re practically still in the tutorial by the end of your first clear, there’s no way that’s all there is to Hades

[zinc ridge]

he's quite eloquent for a child

[sleek birch]

Hello, does anyone know what is the best build for the spear?

is the first hades

hades 1

build for lance, first game weapon

[unkempt linden]

thats good to know, ive got too many questions after the first clear that havnt been answered lol

[rustic vale]

Depends which spear

[woeful trout]

is zeus attack hit based or attack based

[stiff obsidian]

wdym

[woeful trout]

like lets say i have a piercing attack

if it hits 2 enemies does it summon chain lightning on both of them

or just once since i attacked once

[rustic vale]

Iirc it’s just the first enemy

[stiff obsidian]

for a person who has lightning strike as their most used boon i cant believe ive never even thought about this

[fervent radish]

Good question tbh

[woeful trout]

i love how supportive chaos is of us fishing

is sea storm tempest strike rail a stupid idea

[stiff obsidian]

it is certainly an idea

[fervent radish]

Supersoaker

[rustic vale]

Yes

[swift anchor]

yall is it possible to get the charon boss fight multiple times?

[stiff obsidian]

not in the same run

[lavish sorrel]

not without modifying the game. the game will only offer you the fight at most once per run

[stiff obsidian]

thats literally what i said

[terse leaf]

guys, what do i get for offering nectar a second time or a third time and so on , does it have any benifit ?

[stiff obsidian]

no gameplay benefit iirc just story

[dull elbow]

some gives gifts once you get close to max hearts, not the olympic gods though.

[terse leaf]

how do i fight the charon

[fading cradle]

well not really because when you gift the first ambrosia to certain characters you get a ||cthonic companion||.

[stiff obsidian]

ah yeah mb

also i think maxing some bonds is required for some hidden aspects? or am i wrong

[fading cradle]

pretty sure it's meg, than, dusa, Achilles and skelly iirc

[fading cradle]

I don't think so. I don't think I maxed many people and I got all the achievements and I'm pretty sure there's an achievement for unlocking all aspects but I could be wrong.

[rustic vale]

Not for aspects

you need max bonds for all companions

[terse leaf]

where can i past a screen shot in this server

is splitting headach good ?

its the first duo i ever get, how do u usualy get duos , i heard there op

[woeful trout]

if you have consistent upkeep of hangover its pretty good since its just a better pressure points

[woeful trout]

the codex has guides if you buy the upgraded one

[fervent radish]

It’s not that much crit compared to hunters mark

Better to sell it and look for other arty boons imo

[rustic vale]

No

[rustic vale]

It’s actually worse without pressure points

It only gives a crit chance to things that already have a crit chance

And in terms of hangover boons it’s doing the least of them all

[woeful trout]

wait what?

thats pretty stupid actualy

[rustic vale]

Yeah

And

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1205909047807578143/image.png?ex=66896cd1&is=66881b51&hm=fa907fbea935a30320cf574908c0768ada26818acd33ffea83081fb48eb0617e&

Here’s your rawnumbers for your hangover duo boons

Low tolerance is a 1.6* damage multiplier, curse of nausea is a 1.375*, and splitting headache by itself is 1.15* on everything

But splitting headache just doesn’t slot in well with any builds that aren’t hangover

[stiff obsidian]

pretty sure hangover cannot crit as well

[rustic vale]

It can with pressure points iirc

Could be wrong

[hot bloom]

Awww mann i cant shre screenshots here

Go away stickybot!

[old bluff]

You can share screenshots, DM the screenshot to a bot or send the image to another server, then copy the image link

Also stickybot is here to prevent people from posting about Hades 2 in this channel by staying at the bottom

[twin thistle]

Stickybots also fine with you dming it

[arctic hill]

is there a limit to how much i cna pluck the lyre between runs? lol

[jagged hamlet]

No limit

[arctic hill]

oh fun

[eager trellis]

any solution to decorative themes disappearing?

[agile ravine]

I recently hit 100 runs! Still haven’t reached the real epilogue though. Not sure how to trigger it

[unkempt linden]

is there any tips for beating hades? i beat him once but even then it took 4 lives.

[unreal mason]

Probably need to keep giving nectar and such (also kill lots of stuff to make ares happy)

[unreal mason]

I generally like ranged/shield weapons because you can keep Hades at a distance (also getting athena dash/call is useful). But learning his attack patterns is probably a good start.

[unkempt linden]

guys should i spend titan blood on the skelly quest (the one to max zags sword and kill him with it) or should i continue trying to get beowulf (im only on the part to getting the hidden spear aspect, i forgot the name of it)

[wary iron]

so one if the rules of speedrunning apparently is that you need to have the in game timer enabled during the run which makes sense

except during ff since you'd need to activate it mid run and it'd be a few seconds on your rta and the leaderboard of ff seems to be set on rta so do i still need to activate it or does it simply not matter?

sorry long question

[wary iron]

beowulf is the strongest and most bugged aspect in the game so it'd always be good to have that one, as for the skelly quest, it isn't particularly urgent since the reward isn't that useful imo you should do it at some point, but for now i'd prioritise getting beowulf

it just depends on wether you wanna make the game easier or enjoy a bit of story

[fervent radish]

Does the category specifically require igt?

Nitros run has it on at the start. There’s probably some way to enable it there

Probably on the title screen?

[old bluff]

If you enable timer on the save file once, even if you delete the file, it will save your settings

[unkempt linden]

beowulf is even more op than zeus!?!?

[old bluff]

Beowulf is the strongest weapon in the game for anything not over 50 heat

And even then it does great up until 62 where RI3 kills the weapon

[unkempt linden]

im sorry.. HEAT 50!?!?!?!?!?! how braindead is this weapon...

[jagged hamlet]

Is bazooka

[old bluff]

Make enemy go boom, can confirm

[old bluff]

It’s really impressive feature is speedrunning

Out of all the sub 6 times the Hades community has, Beo has 2050 out of 2700

[fervent radish]

Every aspect can beat 55 heat

And many do 50 comfortably

[unkempt linden]

no but like, ppl are so good at the game that they beat heat 55..? i hardly beat the game no heat, and am getting dogged on, on heat 1

[old bluff]

These people also have hundreds if not thousands of hours on the game

[unkempt linden]

fair, but still 55 is crazy

[fervent radish]

It’s attainable within a few hundred hours

[jagged hamlet]

Is a lot of build knowledge and gameplay skill plus a bit of luck

[unkempt linden]

im at 38 hours and cant beat heat 1, am i just bad or smthn

[jagged hamlet]

It's possible you've some bad techniques and such. Or lack of build knowledge. Have you ever gotten either checked?

[unkempt linden]

how do i get it check.?

[jagged hamlet]

The best is probably to record your run and to post your recording

[unkempt linden]

oh alri alri, where should i send it?

[jagged hamlet]

Msybe YouTube, then post a link here. Maaaaybe speedcord, but someone else please voice your opinion about this

[lavish sorrel]

very

[old bluff]

Hey, Beo hard

[lavish sorrel]

😔 true

but braindead the moment one has played the game sufficiently

[jagged hamlet]

Just gotta have a good Cast keybind!

[lavish sorrel]

the speedrunning discord server has a place for VoD reviews to improve one's play. for basic questions, sleep's speedrunning basics guide might help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

[unkempt linden]

i might actualy be able to beat heat 1, ive got 4 lives

[fervent radish]

Game is hard so dw about it

[jagged hamlet]

That's like half a cat!

[unkempt linden]

i think ima still die to hades tho, hes so annoying

[fervent radish]

Lots of help from the community as well

[wary iron]

thank you

[unkempt linden]

what even is my luck

[indigo inlet]

which region has the best fish?

[obsidian drum]

Greece, but each fish depends on how fast you press the button

[indigo inlet]

oh alr thanks

[desert tundra]

hm, the well offers me 0 gold in exchange for 50 health

very tempting (didnt even know that could happen lmao)

[woeful trout]

how does spread fire interact with hestia?

oh it doesnt do anything

[iron cypress]

Hey! I don’t know if this is the right channel for this, but my brother finally started playing Hades.

He’s missing 1 requirement for the ||Cthonic Colleagues Fated List, he’s missing Than though. ||
Is this normal? He’s already met all the other requirements, and I figured this is one of the first that one would get?

[steady iris]

142 runs, after triggering new dialogue for the divided by death quest I need to see Patrolicus but I'm now on a 5 win streak and I havent seen him at all 😦

[formal citrus]

For the first time ever, I have accidentally chose healing from sis

On lc4

[stiff obsidian]

im not even kidding when i say i dont even remember the stuff he gives besides coin

[spice yoke]

Does anybody know if the digital Xbox version comes with the Microsoft Store version?

[formal citrus]

0/2 for Erebus this run. Though custom eury dialogue is neat

And I lost to than. Wow

Stompy guys are not good guys to have with than around

[fervent radish]

Doesn’t affect the charged shot but every other shot is affected yeah

[obsidian drum]

How long will it take me to give to Aphrodite some ambrosia?

[unreal mason]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
But if you're after a serious answer you'll need to give her 6 nectar before you can give her 1 ambrosia (and there might be story progression requirements for the later part)

[obsidian drum]

I have already gave her tons of nectar, now I need the ambrosia to get her approval sign lol

[formal citrus]

I accidentally got sea storm in Tartarus. For high heat, is it worth trying to replace my Zeus attack with a POS attack?

Im guessing not, chain bouncing is still hella helpful

Should probably just pick up enhanced tdash

[lethal salmon]

i just got to the surface for the first time and i died to hades 😦

i had 2 death saves too

[formal citrus]

Congrats on making the surface

[latent moon]

is this like eris

even if sea storm and pos atk is more damage, it's probably marginal

i'd rather just stick wiht lightning strike, esp if you dont have jolted yet

if the options going out of tart are like zeus atk, jolted, and sea storm to sell i'd prob sell sea storm tho tbh

unless you had tdash maybe but idk

sell atk is just kinda sus lmao

esp in aspho when you generally only get like 1 non-hermes boon without shop

[formal citrus]

Yeah

The good news is I died to the champions. The plan was to get ahead on time get lightning rods, and run away from em4

But alas, no rods

[brisk trail]

Depending on how much you want spoiled, here are some answers to the story requirements:
Less spoilery: ||Try giving certain other people nectar/ambrosia.||
Much more spoilery: ||Max out Meg, Thanatos, and Dusa's hearts.||

[obsidian drum]

Gotcha. I'll need to ||keep talking with Dusa then||

[keen mortar]

entered styx with 5 min on 25heat td3, had to go through a 5 sack ;-;

i really just hate the sack system sometimes

[rustic vale]

You really hit that 2% huh

[keen mortar]

uh huh, even got hades to phase 2 with ~25 seconds

probably could've had a chance with a 4-sack

[rustic vale]

Yep

It’s really just how fast can you burst down like 34k hp

iirc

[latent moon]

a bit more than that but yeah close enough

[twin thistle]

when 5 sack 50

[arctic hill]

can you not advasnce hermes and than keepsake in temple?

i literally need one more room for the achievement lol

[jagged hamlet]

Only at the endrooms

[jovial sorrel]

What’s the best weapon in the game

Is aspect of Zeus good?

[unreal mason]

It's good for beating high difficulty

not so much for speed tho

[jovial sorrel]

What’s the best shield option

In general

[rustic vale]

the game is balanced enough for you to succeed with anything you find fun

[jovial sorrel]

Oh my o

Ok

[rustic vale]

bugowulf, the 4th shield aspect, is the answer to your question though

[jovial sorrel]

LOL alr

Thanks bro

[rustic vale]

beowulf*

every aspect has a sub6 clear I believe...

may have to double check that

[tepid light]

bugowolf

[twin thistle]

Accurate tho

[unkempt linden]

yay i finaly got beowulf

wow ok this weapon is SLOW

[unreal mason]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-dow-gif-24856862

but nah seriously Beo is fast at clearing the rooms, put poseidon on cast with infernal soul and start pomming and try to get mirage shot. It'll be anything but slow.

[unkempt linden]

poseidon on cast?? aint it the bull rush doing the dmg?

[unreal mason]

nope, the bullrush does some damage but the cast is the biggest contributer after a while (it's bugged in a lot of ways in your favor)

[unkempt linden]

ok so i try to increase my casts dmg as much as possible, correct?

also why poseidon?

[unreal mason]

generally large aoe and makes it easier to get mirage shot (broken duo boon that doubles the damage of casts for beo), if you don't think you'll get a duo boon try for aphro cast.

^but experiment however you want to, this is only the speedrun meta and the game can be played in a lot of ways. Just avoid demeter cast

[unkempt linden]

oooh alrighty. ye demeter cast sucks 🥲

one last thing, mirage shot is wich duo? posiedon and

[unreal mason]

artemis

[unkempt linden]

thanks alot

[unreal mason]

the description will say that it will fire a second cast that does 0.3x damage, but this is a second projectile that does 1x damage for beo.

(as long as it isn't demeter cast or a cast that inflicts freeze)

[unkempt linden]

wow ok this burst dmg is crazy

[raw herald]

Yup

[unkempt linden]

jeez maybe beowulf rly aint for me, this is probs one of my worst runs with shield lmao

all lives lost and i didint even get to hades yet 🥲

[stiff obsidian]

thats how the first time usually goes

[jovial sorrel]

How do you ge tit?

[runic bobcat]

but you deal 9k dmg

[unkempt linden]

First get the secret aspect of guan yu (the one for the spear) it's gotten by buying 5 non zagreus weapon aspects then speaking to Achilles (guy in the room on the left) until he gives you a awakening phrase about the spear "I see you thrue the eyes of the Phoenix". You do not need to use titan blood to unlock the aspect for Beowulf. Then you need to have atleast 5 titan blood invested into the shield. After all those steps you have to talk to chaos until she gives you an awakening phrase

[jovial sorrel]

Bruh

Is it worth the grind

[unkempt linden]

Yes

[jovial sorrel]

Wait chaos is a girl???

Bruh

[unkempt linden]

Idk I just asumed

[jovial sorrel]

Oh ok

[unkempt linden]

But ye Beowulf is op

[jovial sorrel]

Lol

Alr

How do you get titan blood btw

[unkempt linden]

Worth the grind and ain't that hard to get tbh, you need 10 titan blood total and 3 to unlock the aspect, so 13

[jovial sorrel]

Do you like do runs with different weapons

I got the aspect of Zeus

[unkempt linden]

1st and final bosses give titan blood

[jovial sorrel]

With different weapons?

[unkempt linden]

Resets with dif weapons, can only get titan blood once per weapon (not counting heat)

[jovial sorrel]

Oh bruh ok

Oh wow

Ok

Dam how am I gonna kill the boss with the bow 💀

[unkempt linden]

Oh and you can get titan blood for 1,2k from charon. Not gonna spoil where tho

[jovial sorrel]

Bruh ok

[unkempt linden]

Ima assume your new

[jovial sorrel]

Well not that new

[unkempt linden]

Meg isint hard with bow

[jovial sorrel]

I played for a few hours

[jovial sorrel]

Real

Idk thoguh

I’m always so aggressive

Also nice pfp 😭😭

[unkempt linden]

Take it slow with bow

[jovial sorrel]

Communist elmo

[unkempt linden]

The bio is even better

[jovial sorrel]

😭😭

[jovial sorrel]

Alr alr

[unkempt linden]

I'd say beat the game with aspect of Zeus first. Aspect of Zeus on shield is crazy good

[jovial sorrel]

AUeah

[unkempt linden]

Then bother with beowulf

[jovial sorrel]

YEAG

Bro like

I can have the mobs in a inf stun

They can’t do anything 😭😭

[unkempt linden]

Yuh

How far have you gotten? Btw

[jovial sorrel]

I was inches away from beating hades

[unkempt linden]

Uh

You sure?

[jovial sorrel]

Bro only has two phases rigjt

Or does he have more

[unkempt linden]

Oh ok ye only 2

[jovial sorrel]

But like every time I die to him

New stuff appear

[unkempt linden]

Impressive, took me 20 hours to beat him😭

[jovial sorrel]

What was your weapon of choice?

[unkempt linden]

Same as you lol. I'm still pretty new only have 39 hours

Zeus aspect shield

[jovial sorrel]

ahh

[jovial sorrel]

39 hrs is a lot bruh

[unkempt linden]

Compared to other ppl here it is very little lol

[stiff obsidian]

my first win took 87 attempts

[jovial sorrel]

Bruh

[unkempt linden]

oh wow, im not even at 87 yet

[unkempt linden]

my god beowulf is berly usable without the bull rush charge up time perk it takes so long to even begin the attack

[raw herald]

Dash strike into bullrush

It’s not barely usable without it, it just takes time to get used to it

[unkempt linden]

does it make it faster?

[raw herald]

Yes

[unkempt linden]

ye idk how that even works, im on life support with 1 live and 4 hp and i aint even at the theseus fight..

ye i give up on beowulf, cant even get past theseus with 4 lives, smh

[old bluff]

What was your build?

[unkempt linden]

build? praying to god i can get a faster bull rush

that was my build

had poseidon cast

and still its so slow i get hit like 50 times before i hit them once

[old bluff]

Are you on controller?

[unkempt linden]

no

[old bluff]

Were you only doing dashstirke bullrush at short range?

[unkempt linden]

never got the chance to do it from far away so ye short range

[old bluff]

Did you have mirage?

[unkempt linden]

could only wish, i hardly got my hands on poseidon cast in asphodel

[old bluff]

Did you start with Poseidon keepsake in Tart?

[unkempt linden]

no?

i dont even have that one lol

[old bluff]

I would recommend getting Poseidons keepsake as well as Arty’s keepsake to control the build and increase your chances of getting the build

[unkempt linden]

alrighty

[old bluff]

And then start Pos keepsake and take Arty keepsake into Aspho to get attack or special to open mirage

[unkempt linden]

wym by attack or special to open mirage?

do i need boons from poseidon AND artemis to get the duo?

[raw herald]

Yes

You can check the prerequisites in the codex

[unkempt linden]

bruh even with a good cast and faster bull rush, it took 3 lives to beat theseus

man at this point i think beowulf wasnt even worth it...

[fervent radish]

Beowulf is one of the strongest aspects in the game. It just takes a little time prob

[unkempt linden]

guys if i have a posiedon+dyonisus duo boon can i still get posiedon+artemis boon?

[fervent radish]

Yes

[unkempt linden]

i just dont get it i guess,i gotta try so much harder to make beowulf work, while with zeus it just kinda melts hp bars

[wary iron]

if you want a rundown on why beowulf is the fastest and the best low to mid heat aspect

1. mirage shot deals +100% instead of +30%

2. if you dashstrike and then hold attack after it, your charge is initiated quicker and then you can load casts while charging

3. the damage is not affected by how long you charge

so what you wanna ideally do is
dashstrike close to enemy-> hold attack even after the dash-> the moment you see it charging load in casts-> let go

idk if you knew all this but i hope it helps and gl 👍

[old bluff]

Also, I cannot stress this enough, Mirage shot IS the build, and without it you will be struggling for damage the entire game

[wary iron]

the only really good hammer for beowulf is the shot one (was it piercing shot? i don't remember sorry)

[old bluff]

Charged shot

[wary iron]

yes charged shot

[unkempt linden]

benn doing all that but idk how ill even get mirage shot if i can hardly get posiedon cast

[wary iron]

start off with poseidon keepsake

and if you don't meet artemis in tartarus

switch to her keepsake in asphodel (tbf it's probably good to switch to it either way)

you should have them both in your godpool and a core boon from both by the end of asphodel

and since it's more pom than rarity dependant you could switch the mirror to give you more duo chance instead of epic chance

[fervent radish]

Aphro cast and a bunch of poms can work well enough tbf

[old bluff]

Eh, Legacy over Pride is still a hotly debated topic

[fervent radish]

But that’s more of an AP2 niche thing

[wary iron]

yeah but it's at least debatable (unlike ME )

[fervent radish]

Ehh

[old bluff]

Mostly because Legacy is a scam

[fervent radish]

Even ME builds debate between legacy and pride

[unkempt linden]

man even when i get posiedon, the cast aint one of the choices 😭

[wary iron]

i'd say take legacy if you only have one reroll

[fervent radish]

Bc doom and rd rarity

[old bluff]

Can you reroll boons?

[old bluff]

It's not really a debate anymore, Pride is just better because epic doom is so important

[latent moon]

From what I've heard pride is only if you're gonna be competing for top times

Bc you're resetting if you don't get mirage at a certain point and you're willing to grind for that

So you'd rather have better Hermes and chaos

[old bluff]

I just hate legacy because it hates me

[latent moon]

True

But on average it'll give you more mirages lmao

Theoretically at least

And yeah ME is always pride

Otherwise have fun resetting for doom rarity

[stiff obsidian]

not necessarily

[steady iris]

This is a question about the Divided by death prophecy, ||after achillies tells you about how he got to Hell, and you then spoke to Patrolicus, what else is needed to trigger nyx to tell me the location of the scroll? I've spoken to nyx after Patrolicus but not even a "!"... I'm growing a bit upset with this one 😅||

I'm on 144 attempts and 29 escapes lmao

[wary iron]

well iirc it's talking, having relationpoints as far as possible and then getting rng dialogue

did you hear the dialogue from zag about wanting to help them reunite? i think that one is still first i'm not sure tho

[steady iris]

@wary iron It's been under way for I can't remember how many runs. I'm trying to complete it now for the final achievements. ||So Achillies told me how he died, to be with Patrolicus I believe. I then spoke to Patrolicus actually expecting that to trigger Nyx into telling me where the scroll is||
I'm considering butchering runs on purpose if Nyx is my next target. Just to be over with it 😅😅😅

Cause it took me 6 runs to see Patrolicus again, each time beating the elysium boss

[wary iron]

i think you're supposed to talk to achilles after pat again, i might be wrong tho been some time

[rustic vale]

Big scam

[steady iris]

He didn't have the ! Either 😭

[rustic vale]

Idk why it’s even debated

[steady iris]

You're right. I checked a video online. It was part 1. My last conversation is only half way through that video.....

What an incredible drag this has become...

Video tells me I have to trigger 2 more conversations with each and then Nyx helps me

So at best 3 more runs and at absolute worst about 30 😅
Since it took me 6 runs last time before I found patroclus in elysium again after talking to achillies

[unkempt linden]

guys why do i keep getting hammer as my first upgrade and not posiedon? i have his keepsake equiped

[tepid light]

A keepsake does not mean that your very first room will be a god, it just means that the very first time you get a god, it will be the god for whom you have a keepsake, and the boon rarities will be increased

[unkempt linden]

oooh alright, thanks for clearing that up, much appreciated

[tepid light]

👍

[rustic vale]

It’s not just the very first time

It’s every time you see a god until you take their boon

so you can take other doors and other gods before taking your keepsakes god if you hammer start into several forks

[unkempt linden]

yooooooooo i finaly learned how to properly dash into a bull rush with beowulf, and boi is it satisfying melting everything

now i see why yall say its one of the best aspects

[jagged hamlet]

Beowulf is just a bazooka one dashes around with

[unkempt linden]

guys does it matter what boons i have for mirage shot? like can i have any posiedon and artemis boon?

[languid gull]

if I have like 5h on the game but it was 2-3 years since I played would you guys make a new slot

[latent moon]

im pretty sure yeah but you can always check the codex to see what works and doesnt

hunter's dash might not open mirage shot but not entirely sure

just check the codex lmao

[old bluff]

It doesn't

[unkempt linden]

my god, finaly got mirage shot, hope it was worth it

h o l y s h i t

this thing melts...

[twin thistle]

Double damage moment

[unkempt linden]

although it will STILL lose to hades

watch me manage to lose this

yup i lost

didint even get to phase 2

ngl by the time i get all the things needed for beowulf, i have like 0 lives left lmao

[jagged hamlet]

Hope you have a comfy Cast keybind that lets you charge Bull Rush and load casts simultaneously

[unkempt linden]

why not load em prior to doing it?

[twin thistle]

Because loading during lets you do things faster and also you can do stuff like load casts that you pick up during your rush

[unkempt linden]

oh, well ig thats more for speedrunning lol, i can hardly get to hades

[twin thistle]

Well killing things faster helps getting hit less also you can transition into block faster since you dont need to load first

[steady iris]

Can I speed run any harder than with the adamant rail?

[jagged hamlet]

Beowulf.

[woeful trout]

damn beowulf so op lol

shield just has the best 2 aspects lmao

[wary iron]

~~but what about gilga ~~

[tepid light]

True

I was just giving a simplified explanation

[latent moon]

one of them is bc of bugs, the other is bc it's actually good lmfao

[stone rune]

beo would still be good without mirage

it would be bad without cshot

[latent moon]

dont think it'd be top 2 aspect tho

still good tho yes

[uncut dirge]

I'm curious, is there a reason why Arthur can continuously dash-strike just by holding down attack while other sword aspects can't?

[lavish sorrel]

What are you on

It can't

[uncut dirge]

Keyboard+mouse, to be clear

I forget that a lot of people actually play this game with controller

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah I play on KbM too, yet I don't understand what you mean.

[uncut dirge]

If I just hold down attack I can dash-strike every time I press dash on Arthur sword

I can do the same with fists

But it's more expected with fists as holding down attack works while standing still too

Can't do it with other swords

[lavish sorrel]

if this is true then I just had a BIGP moment.

I just had a BIGP moment

[old bluff]

I just tested it, you can hold down attack to get daskstrikes

I did not know that

[lavish sorrel]

Good, fellow BIGP moment haver 🤝

[old bluff]

I mean, I have played Arthur like twice

[tepid light]

You should play it more

Arthur best aspect

[latent moon]

i wouldn't call that a bigp moment bc that's not like a basic game mechanic lmao

but yeah that tech is in the arthur guide and i believe my 32 heat guide too

[woeful trout]

whats the best way to build for beowulf

[wary iron]

i used to do this to do try a no iframe run before i had mobile hades

[wary iron]

get poseidon keepsake and get his cast then hope for artemis, if you don't get her in tartarus switch to her keepsake to get her attack and unlock mirage shot, if you do get that boon in tartarus still take arty keepsake into asphodel to increase the chance of getting mirage shot

pom the cast as much as you can, try to get hs+rd and as many cast boons from chaos as possible

for hammers ideally would be charged shot

i think you know how to play it

[wary iron]

if you can't get her attack, her special also unlocks mirage shot, but will have no use aside from that so attack would still be better for that little more damage but special can serve the purpose too

hope this helps and gl 👍

[woeful trout]

i spent a lot of runs trying to get fancy builds with duo bonons and all yet the strongest dps run is just zagbow with arty attack

[wary iron]

zagbow can have high dps

tbf every weapon can for some periods of time but beowulf is the most bugged, fastest to build and highest reward per boon build so you can't go wrong with it

[sage sphinx]

I've been playing Hades II almost exclusively since it released, but I just opened up Hades I for kicks and giggles and the RNG gods just decided to shine on me by giving me epic RD

and Sea Storm and Heart Rend??? :'D

[latent moon]

god damn

massive gaming

[sage sphinx]

Y e a h

I'll have to share this build once I'm done with this run, it's genuinely so cracked

[stiff obsidian]

july 8 1 year of hades

em4 time

[sage sphinx]

oh shoot I also got mirage shot

i might need to sell it to get back a dd though, I've been playing stoopid :/

eh sweet surrender can go

[sage sphinx]

lol and I also got greater haste, what was with that run lmao

oh my gosh going back to Hades I after spending a ton of time on Hades II feels like coming home 😭
when I came back into the House of Hades everyone said "He's back!!" and "We missed you," then Nyx came out swinging with THIS
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849525788005236766/1259706677670842508/image.png?ex=668ca8c4&is=668b5744&hm=8187cf3acf16266482121548b5f0f1790c6677c719ea402f38d1020ebcaba6ed&

Like I KNOW that's just basic repeated dialogue but it really does feel like the game is saying "hey!! thanks for playing again, we missed you 🥰"

[formal citrus]

Rockets Eris is so weird. Clockets Eris is so nice that you feel really dumb for dying with it

[uncut dirge]

Ah yes Eris Rail my favorite melee weapon

[jovial sorrel]

the gun is so fun to play with bruh

[stiff obsidian]

Iirc cooldown of 7 or so rooms between fishing spots

[rustic vale]

Nope

Huge Catch actually removes the room cooldown for fishing spots but otherwise

Without it you’ll have to deal with the fishing cooldown

[jovial sorrel]

what is the best gun option?

[stiff obsidian]

Erissss

[formal citrus]

Eris takes some getting used to but is so good and so fun. Maximum on screen business

[jovial sorrel]

okok

[tardy parcel]

Is explosive return good with Zeus shield?

[rustic vale]

The best hammer for zeus actually

[tardy parcel]

Noice

[tardy parcel]

Do the wave skulls that hades throw at us count as traps?

Not the throw it self, the aoe damage after

[slate agate]

whats a good strat to beat hades the first time, ive been trying alot of bow (zagreus aspect) but i cant seem to actually get past 2nd phase (furthest ive come is 2nd halfway)

also whats generally the best keepsake? i mostly run cosmic egg in anything before theseus but idrk whats the bestafter

[unkempt linden]

id say an easy way is skelly tooth as keepsake for the extra life and zeus aspect shield is rly rly RLY good until you get beowulf

[slate agate]

what if i dont have zeus aspect shield nor a easy way to get titan blood, i spent it all on bow zagreus 💀

[unkempt linden]

why..?

[slate agate]

idk

[unkempt linden]

why wouldnt you just spend it on other cool aspects??

but uh

[slate agate]

i basica;lly only used bow and the other ones seemed worse

i really want to try the infusion one with bow now but i also want to do shield cause it can be good

[unkempt linden]

dang, well a way to get titan blood is by spending 1,2k at charons shop in temple of styx

but ofc you gotta get past 3 bosses while saving up 1,2k wich aint that easy

[slate agate]

yeah

whats the best eurydice one btw

am currently at hjer

[unkempt linden]

or ig trade your ambrosia

[slate agate]

already did for one, bow is the only thing i can really beat theseus with though

[unkempt linden]

wichever you feel like, all are good

wow ok

i cant stand using the bow lol

[slate agate]

charged shot my beloved

[unkempt linden]

to each their own ig

[slate agate]

ig

bone hydra time rq

[unkempt linden]

if you like the bow alot then you might aswell go for the secret aspect of it lol

[slate agate]

that is?

or how do i get it*

dont actually tell me what it is yet

[unkempt linden]

you gotta get the aspect of guan yu first tho

[slate agate]

guan yu is?

[unkempt linden]

and yu get the from buy 5 NON zagreus aspects

[unkempt linden]

a cool aspect for the spear

pretty sure its needed for every secret aspect

[slate agate]

hm

[unkempt linden]

5 titan blood for the non zag aspects and then 3 titan blood to unlock the secret one

[slate agate]

if i have tiatn blood again ill try it

[slate agate]

i just got a blood for 15 keys (instead of the usual 100 it would take) thats crazy

ok i got zeus shbield lets try

whats the best special for zeus shiedl?

[unkempt linden]

yayyy i beat heat 1

[slate agate]

noice

im running hangover zeus shiedd rn and i have no clue fi its working

[unkempt linden]

try to combo attack with the special, throw the shield and attack with it at the same time

its also good for procing alot of effects

[slate agate]

i c

im probalby using the wrong m,irror for this hten

[unkempt linden]

for example put doom on it and then try getting the boon of ares where the more times you proc doom the more dmg it does

works like a charm

[slate agate]

oooh yeah that sholud work really well

[slate agate]

so im asuming empowering flight is really strong aswell (hammer)

"after ur speical hits ur next 2 attacks deal +80% damage"

[unkempt linden]

yes very, since the flight now repeatedly attacks

[slate agate]

good

i have returning boom then and that

when shield goes back it does explosions

that one

[unkempt linden]

oh hell yeah

[slate agate]

why can i not send screenshots here-

[unkempt linden]

idk

[slate agate]

here wait ill dm u it

[jovial sorrel]

No words could express the insurmountable hatred I have for the hydra boss

It is so annoying

[unkempt linden]

lernie is a good boy 😠

[jovial sorrel]

AND THE LAVA

[slate agate]

wait till u reach theseus

[unkempt linden]

plus he aint that annoying

[jovial sorrel]

THE GOD DAM LAVA

[unkempt linden]

the lava is the annoying part lol

although the one that makes rubble fall is defently a bish

[slate agate]

somewhat

i jsut destroyed theseus

[jovial sorrel]

Yeah

Aspect of Zeus is crazy thogu

Is crazy good

[unkempt linden]

very

[slate agate]

i got zeus strike btw

[jovial sorrel]

And the gun is super fun to play with

[unkempt linden]

take that and make it a nuke with a bunch of dmg, and you get beowulf

[jovial sorrel]

It’s so versatile

[jovial sorrel]

Fr?

It’s that op?

[unkempt linden]

beowulf is op

[slate agate]

yea

[unkempt linden]

very op

[jovial sorrel]

Can it one shot?

[unkempt linden]

no but with the right build, with 2 bull rushes i got hades phase 1 to half health

[jovial sorrel]

Dam

[slate agate]

ok my styx shop is
100 pome
300 pome
150 athena
450 dionysus
500 hermes
1200 titan blood

which should i go for, i have side hustle so i can get a good amount of money

currently at 126 obol

[jovial sorrel]

Titan blood

[drowsy shale]

I just beat hades just now in like 5 mins lol

hades boss

[jovial sorrel]

Cap

Oh

Ok reasonable

How many attempts did it take?

[unkempt linden]

titan blood would be cool but try get as much pomes as you can

[drowsy shale]

1st try with aspect of beowulf

[slate agate]

im on like 35 but i cant 💀

2nmd phase is so annoying

[jovial sorrel]

How to get access to the shop

[slate agate]

right side when u enter styx

[unkempt linden]

get past theseus fight

[jovial sorrel]

Is it in the lobby

[slate agate]

yeah

[drowsy shale]

no

[slate agate]

in styx lobby thers a shop on the right

[drowsy shale]

not house

[jovial sorrel]

Do I have to Bret the game before it

[slate agate]

no

u jsut have to beat bone hydra and boss after that

[jovial sorrel]

Oh I did

Okay

Tbh ate good

That’s good

[drowsy shale]

does any of you know how to get chtonic companion

????

[slate agate]

that is?

i have hangover on special lvl 5 lmao

[jovial sorrel]

Goddess of love is best goddess

But Athena is the most goated

[slate agate]

nah bro artemis is my best frined

[jovial sorrel]

wait can you

Deflect hades

Beans

Beans

Beams

In his second phase

That would be sonop

Op

[deft crescent]

you can't

[unkempt linden]

gift ambrosia to a npc

[jovial sorrel]

Bruh ok

[slate agate]

how do u actually dodge the beam on hades while there are 5 skulls near you with the green urns

[deft crescent]

try destroying the skulls first

if you can, shatter and immediately dodge the urns

[slate agate]

ok will do next run

[tacit bolt]

yall how do I get patrocles keepsake

[sudden pollen]

gift him a nectar

[slate agate]

pray i can get the good ares boonr q

[slate agate]

damn i got ares special AND doom stack before fury

[tacit bolt]

game wont let me

[unkempt linden]

my god, ye ok lernie is so annoying to fight without the deflecting dash

i truly DESPISE the person who invented these flame wheel npcs, like why would you think its a good idea to add annoying little craps that kill THEMSELVES, like bro their just annoying, you cant even kill them most the time casue the just explode

[twin thistle]

If youre using melee best thing to do is guide them into running into walls

[unkempt linden]

i mean ye but when there is other things that you have to fight, especialy those annoying bows, it just makes it so unfun to play

[twin thistle]

Lernie slams are annoying but he has a consistent pattern where he wont repeat the same move twice in a row so if he spits or lunges at you the next move will usually be slam and vice versa, tho blue lernie can just keep spamming slam last phase

[unkempt linden]

ye blue lernie is the most annoying, but most of them (exept green lernie, i got no problems with him) you legit NEED a defelect to do good

[twin thistle]

Its harder without but if you learn the fight its fine for the most part

Spamming ddash all the time just teaches bad habits

[unkempt linden]

2nd spawns are the hard part

like 5 heads spitting lava piles and projectiles is annoying

[unkempt linden]

wow ok not spamming dash actualy made lernie somewhat more easy ngl, thanks alot

or it was just my 218 hp

[twin thistle]

Lol thats a lot, yeah its good to learn when its safe to spam dash strikes and when you want to save dashes to actually dodge things

[unkempt linden]

yeee.. never realy thought of actualy using the dash as a dodge lmao

i was constantly mashing my space bar lol

oh and also thanks for telling me that i can just make flame wheels hit into walls, works like a charm

[old bluff]

Sorry for being really late, but sadly charged flight does not work how you think it would, it only works when the Zag picks up the shield again, not when the shield hits an enemy

[unkempt linden]

and btw can i get mirage shot from both posiedon AND artemis? or just artemis?

[slate agate]

oh damn

[old bluff]

Yes, from both

[slate agate]

that sucks

[old bluff]

I know

[unkempt linden]

thx

[rustic vale]

That’s the case for all duo boons btw

[amber oriole]

Hey, how soon is the average for someone to beat Hades for the first time? I’m at ~3.5k Dark, and have only gotten him to second phase once

[rustic vale]

I think roughly 30-50 attempts but don’t be too concerned about it

[wary iron]

i've seen it happen from 10-80 runs (i assume you mean how long it took them for the first time) i myself took like 56

but it really doesn't matter, just have fun and play the game in your own speed, you'll get there eventually

[amber oriole]

Cool, thanks! Got a few more questions while I’m here as well

• After collecting Titan Blood with all 6 weapons, are there any other ways to get it, apart from the Broker? Are each Aspect able to get one themselves?

• Does the Mirror ability causing enemies with Casts in them to take more damage stack with the amount of Casts in them?

[rustic vale]

A) yes, but not by aspect
B)no

[wary iron]

• you'll get a very easy and convenient way to get blood once you clear for the first time

• unfortunately not

[rustic vale]

Once you kill Hades you’ll unlock “heat”, which if optional difficulty settings that’ll let you claim all the bounties when you have it on

[wary iron]

damn you was faster still

[rustic vale]

You can also get more blood from prophecies and fishing

[amber oriole]

Ohhh yeah Heat! Cool

[wary iron]

also the broker occasionally offers a blood for 15 keys

that's one hell of a deal

[rustic vale]

They really need to weight the darkness black market deals more heavily 😔

[amber oriole]

Sucks to hear about the Casts though, been unloading them into one enemy to try to blow them up

[rustic vale]

Only toss your casts into the big beefy enemies

Otherwise it should just be faster to do your regular combos

~~unless it’s a cast based build where your damage is your casts

[amber oriole]

Right

Festive fog casts + Hera bow my beloved

[rustic vale]

Oh if you’re using trippy flare it’s

~

roughly better for you to use stygian soul

than infernal

the recharging casts

[amber oriole]

Oh I forgot about that!

Great point, thanks

I’m gonna do a Talos Gauntlet run next, so I’m tryimg to decide if I wanna go with a specific god

Thinking Artemis or Poseidon, we’ll see

Ooh or Aphro

[rustic vale]

What’s aphrodite doing for you on Talos fists.

[amber oriole]

Keeping them near keeping damage low, honestly

[unkempt linden]

oh my god i just only took 2 dmg from lernie. not spamming dash makes such a difference

[granite raven]

Partner's first time playing Hades 1 tonight. I'm so excited to see their reaction to it all
Especially the first death! The House is so gat dam pretty

[peak wadi]

Without giving away spoilers, when is a reasonable spot to stop playing the game if you're not going for 100%?

[stiff obsidian]

10 wins

[rustic vale]

Whenever you’re kinda not enjoying it anymore

[fervent radish]

10 wins is basically the end of the main story

[rustic vale]

I might snag on the epilogue to that

[fervent radish]

there's an epilogue that comes after some more clears but the benefit is minimal imo

compared to the work needed to reach it

[peak wadi]

Probably just watch it on youtube or something lol

[fervent radish]

reasonable

it's like a few minutes of dialogue iirc

[peak wadi]

10 wins sounds reasonable

[rustic vale]

Everything that doesn’t involve the resource director is reasonable tbh

[peak wadi]

I'm on 2 wins right now

[fervent radish]

and in all honesty, there's a lot of stuff to do even after 100% like pushing heat or speed

but that's only if you really like the game

Getting all of skelly's statues is a good heat based goal

[rustic vale]

getting a sub2 is a good speed based goal

[fervent radish]

whereas sub 10 is a good speed based goal

lmfao

yeah you gotta WR the rama run control if you want to be called legit at the game

[rustic vale]

do it before you 100% the game ez

[woeful trout]

Do people actually use Rama special

I use it just to get Zeus boons and stuff

[stiff obsidian]

moyai

[twin thistle]

Proccing shared suffering is pretty good for killing stuff and its good for clearing dc hearts on higher heat unless you mean special only

[rustic vale]

I like a 60% multiplicative boost to my attack damage with aoe

So yes

It’s also just pretty solid for killing those fast small enemies that’ll swarm you

[latent moon]

yes because it's free damage and you can one shot rooms sometimes

the only reason you don't use it is bc you want make use of fiery presence

[twin thistle]

Tbh unless you dont have an attack boon wont shared suffering be more damage other than taking a second

[latent moon]

i don't think so

bc fiery is 75% and shared suffering is onlyh 60%

[rustic vale]

Shared suffering is

60% of the damage dealt

Not

60% additive

big difference

[unreal mason]

yes, if you play high heat it's also a good way to strip dc

[latent moon]

oh

welp

one shotting off of spawn is faster anyways lmao

[tardy parcel]

What's the most "fun" way to play shield?

I've been trying to play it and the rail but any way I try to play it with hammer's just bores me out

[unreal mason]

depends on the shield, I usually like to play Zeus shield which has the general combo (using explosive return hammer) of special+dashstrike->bullrush+catch special repeat

but for most other shields they're very reliant on charged shot hammer which changes bullrushing into launching a projectile.

[unreal mason]

video example from Mysterra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oePJvDyw1NM

[twilit shore]

I beat the first bar of hades hp for the first time

[tepid light]

congrats

[twilit shore]

IT DIDNT

SAVE

OH MY GOD

Rip my diamonds

[stiff obsidian]

wat

[twilit shore]

I play on mobile

[stiff obsidian]

what

[twilit shore]

And i closed the app before i got sent back to the castle

And then ig my phone died or something

[twilit shore]

You can get it free on mobile with Netflix

[stiff obsidian]

ohh yea

[twilit shore]

Another fight vs hades

Second bar hades down to 1/4

Should I get the hidden aspect for the spear or the hidden aspect for the shield

[runic bobcat]

you need spear for sheild

[twilit shore]

I mean to purchase

Like spend the Titan blood on

Which one should I get

[runic bobcat]

you need to get the spear special

for the sheild

guan yu, is like the rite of passage

without it

you cant unlock any special

[twilit shore]

uh

I have Excalibur

and I don’t have guan yu

And I have the option to buy the shield special

[old bluff]

Get shield special

[rustic vale]

You don’t need to have to first

You just need it unlocked

[rustic vale]

Get the shield’s hidden aspect

Guan-yu is a good aspect, but Beowulf is both way more powerful and has a way lower skill floor

[runic bobcat]

oh,

i though he asked which one to unlock

get sheild then

its funny

[twilit shore]

Dragon rush is cool

[runic bobcat]

to see numbers in the thousands when dealing dmg

[rustic vale]

Bugowolf is strong

[runic bobcat]

too strong

its like drugs

fr

[twilit shore]

I just realized there’s no mention of Hephaestus yet

[rustic vale]

I can’t remember any

at all

[mint coral]

He's mentioned at the epilogue iirc

[rustic vale]

Maybe a reference once or twice/

[mint coral]

I believe he's the one who gifts the gold thing in mom's garden

[latent moon]

Yeah that sounds about right

[rustic vale]

Something like that

It is Daedalus who made the hammers for your weapons, not Hephaestus

[uncut dirge]

I think I got Guan Yu to Level 3 before I even tried it out

The health reduction is scary

[rustic vale]

Oh definitely

making sure you can make full use of that range on special

changes the weapon completely

[latent moon]

just don't die

[uncut dirge]

I have a weird relationship with some of these weapons

I feel very comfortable with fists but I’m absolutely just facetanking unnecessary hits with them

I feel like I’m not that comfortable with bow yet just because they’re ranged I probably do the best on them

Shields should be pretty safe but I just end up taking a lot of random damage anyway

[jagged hamlet]

Do you constantly Dash-Strike with the bows?

cough @rustic vale cough (see above)

[unkempt linden]

and im about get another win with beowulf.. ngl game is too easy🥱

[latent moon]

You are using the best aspect in the game with the most broken build lmao

Figuratively and literally

[unkempt linden]

time to 2 shot my dad yet again

[jagged hamlet]

Dang it, Elmo! Yer drunk!

[unkempt linden]

Man they rly put smthn in that vodka cause i think i can hear a rat speak 💫

to be fair tho, this is a realy nice titan blood farm

[rustic vale]

bow is only a ranged weapon if you want it to be

The most common diagnosis for bow issues is a serious lack of dash striking

[turbid cypress]

Is it true that people here consider 50 heat easy?

[jagged hamlet]

Not easy per se, but much easier than 55. Difficulty due to heat seems to be exponential

[uncut dirge]

I just feel like the option to be able to hit people from further away helps
Same goes for Rail, getting in close is good but having the ability to keep hitting enemies when you or they are outside what would be melee range just gives that extra edge

[jagged hamlet]

It's certainly a great option 👍

[uncut dirge]

For bow though I'm just like not that great with power shots still, especially when actually under pressure

Eris Rail is my favorite melee weapon

[jagged hamlet]

Are you Dash-Striking with the bows? Powershot windows come quickly when doing so

[latent moon]

Where did you get that idea lmao

I have a handful of 50 heat clears but I still wouldn't call it easy

[jagged hamlet]

That's bananas!

[latent moon]

Truly

Also 3 of them are on shield lmao

Zag shield, Zeus, beo, and rama

[uncut dirge]

I do dash strike mostly it's just a skill issue

Timing

[jagged hamlet]

Gotcha

I think I practiced with Skelly for a while to get the rhythm down

[fervent radish]

Relatively compared to what I’m pursuing rn, but still pretty difficult

24/24 aspects at 50 is like a big benchmark/achievement

[jagged hamlet]

That's bananas!

[twin thistle]

bow is a melee wep thohttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1245939919919120428/Hades_2024-05-29_23-10-08_-_Trim.mp4?ex=668ea6b9&is=668d5539&hm=ea2240b180501933e7ad780a8eb193eaaeba3582b6625847462c5e652a7aa785&

[unkempt linden]

is aspect of guan yu good? the -70% seems pretty nasty

[fervent radish]

Garbo at lvl1 but both the special and spin attack are good

[unkempt linden]

dannng it can out weigh the -70%!?

[fervent radish]

It’s 50% at max level

[unkempt linden]

huh pretty high but still nice. what about excalibur? i just got it and the dmg seems good but im not sure what hollow ground does

[fervent radish]

Damage reduction

It’s also one of the worst aspects

[unkempt linden]

oh dang...

[fervent radish]

But still usable ofc

It’s just slow

[jagged hamlet]

Hallowed Ground also slows down projectiles and neutralizes traps!

[rustic vale]

Yeah, but for most purposes it’s outweighing a 50%

[twin thistle]

Arthur is fine at 40 and below

[woeful trout]

genuinely cant figure out what im meant to do with chaos

the aspect

[old bluff]

Aspect of Cshot fr fr

[woeful trout]

like its special oriented but its not even very good at that?

[jagged hamlet]

Just ignore the Special entirely

[woeful trout]

oh wait how does it interact with Cshot

[old bluff]

It is more that Cshot is really busted than Chaos have a special interaction with it

[woeful trout]

oh yeah cshot is definitely busted

maybe the best shield aspect

honestly not even a maybe probably its like really good on 3/4 of them lmao

[jagged hamlet]

Oh wait. Can use the Special to apply Hangover, but that's about all it's good for

[old bluff]

It is the speedrun Hammer for all of them, except Zeus also has ER, but Cshot is prob better

[woeful trout]

gilga looks really fun and i am sad to hear that its complete garbo

[latent moon]

Cshot is def better for speed since it gives it more effective range

But for heat the safety of bull rush is way more important

And you still get great damage from er so you don't want cshot

[fervent radish]

The cool thing about the game is that even if an aspect sucks, you can still get better at it

(and be the best at it)

[twin thistle]

Yeah having to bullrush to do the 5 shield throw wastes a lot of time and shield special in general isnt great since you cant do anything while its bouncing around. If you want to use the special or cant get cshot then you can spam the unempowered special with zeus

[lavish sorrel]

mandatory @fringe dust ping

[latent moon]

Lmfao facts

[fringe dust]

Hiii

[woeful trout]

how to claw

i dont understand this weapon

[twin thistle]

Gilga? Basically just get tdash or me

[woeful trout]

i mean jiust fists in general

[fringe dust]

Merciful End >>>>

For gilga you can run ruthless reflex and do some fun stuff

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLADg6U0tUZq6db6bZgNBOSYehKl1aK9aU&si=vnz2XWz8Ngi6VnlL

[tepid light]

Use flat damage bonuses (zeus, dionysus, etc.) for the strike, and % damage bonuses (aphrodite, artemis, etc.) for the uppercut

If you have enough time, just wail on an enemy repeatedly with strike; if you only have a second to get damage in, use your special

[twin thistle]

you mostly just hold attack and spam dash

[tepid light]

^ dashing resets your attack combo, which helps you keep the damage flowing

[woeful trout]

oh yeah i see what you mean

started dashing more and i deal way more damage

unfortuantely i am on mobile so dashing is pain

but yeah this feels way better

[twin thistle]

Can you connect a controller to your phone

[woeful trout]

No

[tepid light]

That sounds awkward and unwieldy af

[twin thistle]

~~I mean just use a stand and squint or something ~~

Phone hades in general sounds

[wary iron]

Goldie

i once did a 32 heat with no iframes thanks to mobile controls

so what you can do is

put the attack button on the dash button

essentially making a macro

[latent moon]

I'm pretty sure rt95 connected a controller to his phone or something idr how but he got a sub6 with it lmao

[wary iron]

and then dash strike

[wary iron]

or that

[latent moon]

Oh that's cursed

[tepid light]

big yike

[wary iron]

i cleared 32 heat with that 😭 took me forever since it was ME with no iframes

[latent moon]

What if you ven diagramed the dash and attack so you can empty dash

Or are the circles too small for that

[wary iron]

i made the dash circle very large and the attack circle medium and placed it in the middle of dash so that i could if very urgent do an empty dash by pressing the rim

the only time i used it was during the transition from hades from phase 1 to 2

and when that dropping stone miniboss thing does it's shockwave

[latent moon]

Makes sense

[wary iron]

probably stupid but i wanted the 0'iframe run

[raw herald]

With a Bluetooth controller it’s fine

[wary iron]

and the game is a lot laggier on phone imo (or maybe my phone is just bad idk)

[latent moon]

Could be both tbf

[fervent radish]

you could also use an ipad for a bigger screen

[steady iris]

I finally did it. I got all achievements!

[wary iron]

hey guys

was the meg no attack spot a known bug or did i just stumble on smth?

i was trying to reset a run

so i just afk during meg

and then her attacks knocked me back into a corner

where she wouldn't attack me anymore

just run to me and away from me again and again

just when i hit record another fury knocked me away from the spot so in the recording i made you can only see the position i was in for a second ik not very helpful

it's probably too rare of an occurrence to make use of and is unusable during speed runs and high heat and probably too difficult for new players to execute since it seems to be really just one spot so it has no use whatsoever but good to know ig 👍

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184504333530824765/1260355235025518713/RPReplay_Final1720562147.mov?ex=668f04c8&is=668db348&hm=15c1ae358a58fea66c6e28039dc5cdc0419e056c5809a56d5e39ecf02aba2e25&

in the first second you can still see her moving randomly and not attacking until i get knocked away by another sister

is this a known thing or?

[wary iron]

this whole thing also lasted for like 10 seconds before i started the recording so there's not much proof ik

[latent moon]

I don't remember/know the reasoning why but that happens in the dad fight too

[wary iron]

maybe they just get bored when zag doesn't play along 😔

[fervent radish]

I think it happens when you phase him in an attack?

Or maybe that’s something else

[wary iron]

my revenge doom might've struck in the perfect moment then maybe

[terse leaf]

ok , hades is a sore looser

can u believe he just pretend like i never handed him his ass

[obsidian drum]

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/fc/13/7b/fc137b1534d9f16acd85edf4075a5353.jpg MFW I didn't thought in use Shady to save my HP in the House of the Styx for the mirror thing

[jagged hamlet]

What mirror thing is there? And do you mean Temple of Styx? I am so intrigued yet confused

[obsidian drum]

The routine Inspection one. I can beat all the bosses except the ones in the Temple. I use Skelly's Lucky Tooth.

I only need to beat Hades with the routine inspection and the underworld customs to beat the prophesy

[jagged hamlet]

Oh, gotcha. Thanks!

[latent moon]

if you can't kill hades try using acorn instead

acorn gives you more effective hp as long as you don't get hit by random junk

[obsidian drum]

That's the thing: I get hit by the foes

With the mirror on, they're a breeze. Without them, it feels like playing Hades by first time.

[latent moon]

wait are you doing routine inspection 4

you don't need to max the thing out

[obsidian drum]

With the fist I have to max them out

[latent moon]

you literally dont have to

even for bounties

just take some other heat stuff

[obsidian drum]

For some reason it didn't work when I passed it with one heat

[latent moon]

because routine inspection isn't 1 heat

[obsidian drum]

Gotcha

[latent moon]

but it definitely does work with only 1 rank into routine inspection anyways

just do routine inspection 1 and you'll get it

[obsidian drum]

I'll try it that way

ty

[jagged hamlet]

Edge goes haaaard

[obsidian drum]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/7175ae4f2b1c6c34cea535daf1b439b5/tumblr_picfis9QSd1w1mddgo1_500.gif

[jagged hamlet]

If Aphrodite put on some darn clothes, would she itch terribly?

[obsidian drum]

@latent moon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248152852770066483/1260429912074878976/image.png

This is how it looks

[latent moon]

yeah don't do routine inspection 4

you don't need to max it out

there's no reason to do mirrorless lmao