#h1-discussion
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Just shotgun them at that point
youre the one complainig about surviving, i assume you dont wanna shotgun
You can absolutely survive with a lvl1-3 chiron
It’s just
you’re kinda missing all your damage 
I’d be tempted to say “if using your strike will be better dps why even touch it” but then remembered level 5 chiron doesn’t fix that
Low level Chiron isn't too bad if you ignore Curse of Nausea, right? Just gotta get to 5 stacks of Hangover and maintain them
yeah, it’s just rough
At least at lvl1 you hardly even notice the difference in bolts for zeus special

Still like at least lvl3 for one special to max stacks
also like mega value down from chaos
Nerd Dio will NOT give me their special
Should I just take Demeter since he's being real stubborn for the time being
perhaps
Yeah just pivot to +% special ig
Oh yeah. Solid 37.5% less value from Chaos compared to a level 5 Chiron
how far into the run
just...don't play chiron as chiron
dio call is really good
dio call is rlly solid
It is
wait you already have hangover
find some soup and just do a call build tbh
Pfft
The fact that the best way to play Chiron is like crappy zag bow will never not be funny to me
Yeah just take a +% goddes for your special
Demeter it is
Time to find athena and zeus for call now
You might not want another source of Hangover: new applications of Hangover (even from weaker sources) overrides the damage applied by each tick of Hangover
dio call doesn't really need smair, since it charges itself
thats why dio dash sucks
Demeter is a rat bastard she gave me not one but 2 BOONS FOR CAST
I'll just take crystal beam to sell it later
Rav will and snurst are good
while it was at it
no

No rav
Although I could take burst
Zag sword would be way more rad if it made my special faster
Just all speed up smh
If it was like 30% it would be good, but 15% is too low
going on
Including Zag's dialogue
lmfao, thatd be hilarious
Is this from the ruthless sword of the other day
I'm doing extreme measures 4 for 10 heat
This is gonna be fun
I’m really feeling like a shackle sword build that relied on the special
gl
would be fun af given I have a rad time in tart with special
But it feels like it falls of
Because bosses are easy and rooms are not
maybe fun?
Slippery flourish
non em4 fight is awful boring imo
EM4 dad though 
Oh come on
The one run where I had like
“A solid special build” when it’s literally just dem dash and a purple chaos flourish nvrmind
anyways dedge was offered with flurry and world so dedge it is
Oh my
I need a better challenge
Calm down, Eidolon 
I'll be so happy if someone understands my clever reference
thats what kinda bummed out of h2, bosses are a joke
oh
I think I get it
Special focused did not work out
not so special uh
Yet.
EXCLUSIVE ACCESS
WOOOOOOOO
FINALLY IT POPPED UP
IN ASPHODEL BUT STILL
In asphodel is plenty early
As long as before hermes
I’ve had my fair share of exclusive access as final boon before Hades
That just curses the worst hermes known to mankind
it was right after 2 hermes boons
I now have common hyper delivery ☠️
also, wtf is hyper delivery, isnt it rush delivery
or is this that mandela effect or w.e
oh i see
Don't do it
greater evasion + second win ☠️
Hermes is precious, and he must be conserved
oh well I'm running call anyway
PFFT I JUST FINISHED HIS PROPHECY
relentless + concentrated
This is the run
I got slippery eclipse and oceans bounty both epic at the start of the run. The gods smiles upon me.
Aha! That's why you couldn't get Dio's Special: you were meant to get a high % Special to go with Relentless + Concentrated
chiron ftw
Praying that you get epic swift flourish at styx now
It allows the conc dmg to stack between volleys 
Sadly, Chiron not OP 
dyno not meta
dont trust the non believers
Y'know, Chiron might not be meta, but darn if Relentless + Concentrated + a good % buff doesn't feel satisfying anyway
😌
Trust the expert
It’s Arthur syndrome: big number kill enemy in one hit = dopamine
yeah, me
Even if your dps sucks, or you have no aoe, and you’re just so darn slow
killing things in one big burst of big number
is big brain chemicals
when I said dot I meant dps
EZ
But like beo has biggest number, why not more popular
I always like to compare playing Arthur to hitting stuff with a baseball bat
THESEUS IN UNDER 1 MIN
Δenemy hp
ΔΤιme
i hate tiny vermin
i hate tiny vermin
i hate tiny vermin
lost 2 death defiances to it
also regained hyper delivery 😎
Tiny vermin? I'll show you tiny vermin
https://youtu.be/4IMZsQ_Qn5g?si=qg_RdkFkUyqt2-wt
Bean is having a tasty snack while I hold him
#pets #fancyrats #pocketpuppies #petrats
Hades was too ez
Only lost one death defiance (I survived with less than 20 hp)
what conditions do yall suggest for 16 heat? i'm planning to use trippy or crush beo
Tip: use flood flare beo and go for mirage, it is way more consistent
got a specific setup for that or just improvise along the way
There should be a suggested list of pacts in the pinned messages of #h1-high-heat-strategies
You just take flood flare, artemis core (preferably deadly strike), and roll for the duo, other than that its just extra
aight thank you
uh-oh
yowchers
FO3 only available with max level zagsword
Fo3.05 because move speed is multiplicative
Truly
uwu meg used her whip i see 😳
Look at the player that can do all weapons except bows https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248152852770066483/1249958517750894673/sep-2023-cover-illustration-group-kids-laughing-pointing-another-kid-school-hallway-cropped.jpg
Counterpoint, Hera
I try her but is so slow!
Real
I agree with this message
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It's a tactical Cast launcher
Hera Guide: This guide assumes knowledge of Hades speedrunning basics. You can find that here in SleepSoul’s intro to Hades speedrunning guide (I linked the video, there’s a text version of it in the description). If you have any questions or comments, DM me on discord: Croven#3468 By Croven an...
Here guide
It’s like zag bow but swap crit for huge base damage that scales off cast +%
Even outdated it still works
i almost got 16 heat on beo but i threw on em3 and didnt have a dd for dad
It is still really good for new Hera players, as that was the guide that helped me get my Hera sub 6
I think the main difference is how quick he clicks snow burst anyways
so i'm trying to raise affinity with the olympians but the last heart for all of them is locked. anyone know why?
Yeah
To unlock any npc’s locked heart you need to complete their favour
A character specific requirement
They’re mostly accurately listed on the wiki iirc
What is something you should know or do as an intermediate player?
Goodness my internet is making responding to anything unbearable atm
Dash, and be picky
You don’t take something just to have it. You take it with a purpose
be that “I need something for uc fodder, and this would be a pretty decent amount of obols”, “I’m not taking that because it’ll open duos I don’t want”, “I’m going to take premium vintage over these other options because one is a core I don’t want and the other is a pommable boon that doesn’t do much aside from mucking up my leveling options”
And you may have to spend a bit of time here to figure out what’s actually good or not because a few boons seem good but just aren’t and others don’t see great but they’re stellar af
how's charged shot on beowulf?\
Fantastic
charged shot is one of the best hammers in the game comparitively lmao
Best hammer ez
Breaking wave > typhoons fury
no razor shoals?
Oh shoals is also a knockback boon ig
I think I’d take purple shoals over breaking wave but wave over any other shoals
okok nice
thats exactly what i did
purple shoals > common waves
i also got a question abt rush delivery
if i have hyper delivery and i dash before i start charging my shiled bash for example
will the ms carry over while i charge
it depends on how long you took to shoot
If you have charged shot you can release whenever for max damage though, then you dash immediately after to guarantee the bonus on your casts
Hermes has dialogue for if you equip a god boon and run into him first, this game never ceases to amaze
Damn
what's a good special boon for triple bomb
You can’t go wrong with any of the large +% goddesses (you can go wrong with poseidon though)
What's the concensus about Myrmidon Bracer? Trash or nah?
It exists
I have a question.
Does Eberus and Chaos count as chamber to the region chamber count? Or is it like a room squeezed between 2 chambers? Like if I use Chaos, will i reduce my chambers in the region by 1?
Theres no denying that
Correct, you skip a normal chamber
unless you take them at the last combat chamber of a biome (c12/22/34) in which case it'll actually be an additional room
Yeah is a pretty whatever keepsake
If you need defensive keepsakes just go acorn
I wish Hades had some more accurate in game stats and graphs, I'd love to know how much damage is it tanking as to how much extra damage am I taking cause of it
Since you only get the Myrmidon Bracer popup in battle when you get damaged it's hard not to be biased against it
imo trash, you dont really wanna facetank, like ever, and you usually dash away from stuff, which means you might get hit in the back, dealing more dmg
The numbers are also just low
idk 30% dmg rdc seems good on paper but I feel like it's really hard to decipher when does the game thinks you're facing the opponent and when does it not
Oh yeah I don't have ut maxed lmfao
is a keepsake meant to facetank, which you shouldnt be doing, ever
30% is the same as weak/hyper sprint but these two don't cost you the keepsake slot
And you generally already want them for dmg anyways so
yeah I think this is the best take... Sucks cause I think the concept is really cool
if it didnt have the backstab extra dmg it would be somewhat decent, but since it does, is garbage, detrimental even
oooh good
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Not like extentions are very good
Unless you wanna do hyper delivery in tart for the memes
not to mention youre guaranteed to fight the boss while crippled as well
(taking the extension makes it so the 2nd hermes can spawn in tartarus)
it can still spawn regardless
Nope
?
You can only see 1 hermes in tart
yes
Taking the extension means you can see the 2nd
Lol
Is there a Dusa friendship requirement or something on the A Place of Revelry prophecy? Only I've just found out it's meant to be 10 items to finish it... I've bought 25 and Dusa only gives me normal dialogue 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jINn_BN9LkU does anyone have a cleaner loop of this?
tfw room 1 music is not included in the ost version of house of hades
I heard this a thousand times and it is still chill as heck.

running twin fists rn aspect of demeter(magnetic cutter) whats the best hammer?
are you at a hammer atm or in general
aspect of demeter is giga cutter and aspect of talos is magnetic cutter
quake cutter, colossus knuckle and explosive upper are my choices btw
ahh mb then
atm
explosive upper
mid run as we speak
best hammer by far is breaching cross
thanks
everything else is ok
Kinetic launcher and EU are second best hammers, but as Dragon said BC is best hammer by far
Long knuckle also comfy for defense
what does kinetic launchers do
bruh you have to get 4 demeters boons for the legendary boon sighhhhh
its not even good wtf
It makes you special shoot a projectile that does 50 damage
but its got a sick voiceline, worth it 100%
Yeah is cool as hell
Imo it's actually good, it's just incredibly impractical to get lmao
Cutting a bosses hp by 15% is pretty huge
REAP WHAT YOU SOW
i guess but its mad unluckly to get four
10*
REAP WHAT YOU SOW
I got her and she killed Hades while saying that. Imagine killing your son in law that way
thats not her son in law in the hadesverse
Chilled enemies at 10% hp die instantly
Got it exactly one time and she proceeded to kill Hades and it was super cool
You go, grandma
REAP WHAT YOU SOW
play more
little help here people
after getting hidden aspect of guan yu, is there a specific order to get the next hidden aspects or can i get em in whatever order
Whatever order
thanks
why is this stupid defiance boon so impossible to get???
(yes i already have another chaos boon)
It’s like 1% odds and isn’t boosted by your typically rarity boosters
It’s like a 1% chance I think
I’ve gotten it offered less than 5 times in like…450 hours of gameplay
Nah it’s not even that good
Athena gives it for free if you’re running SD
Just gives you a DD I think
No I was thinking about it like athena
Egg should increase the chance i think
Where you’d get it that room
And I was thinking that it wouldn’t work because you can’t die in a chaos room
yeah thats mid for the barely ever gonna get it odds
doesnt egg only increase rarity?
It's good in high heat lmao
You don’t have to die
It just gives it to you
It’s just comparatively mid since it’s not that hard to just bank Athena SDs
Just remember to die
where you do have to die for athena dd’s
How is the best way to get the skelly trophies? Been trying for a while to get them but i just cant win to hades
what is the limited curse effect for it?
Theres a hidden legendary increase, same happens for god keepsakes and their legendaries and duos
Hestia, Beowulf, cshot Zagshield, eris
All pretty safe/strong options for heat
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide having a good build mostly
And a non terrible pact
Also there’s a heat guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
oh thx a lot !
The best way to get skelly statues is just go thru everything in your gamefiles and set them to true
That won’t break anything, trust
bro this stupid 50/50 chance for legendary is killing me every perfect catch is always not legendary gahh]
running the shield of zeus, should i get explosive return, charged shot or minotaur rush
Unless you’re trying to go fast
hey everyone
it's been two months, coming back to hades after exams
god i miss this game
hey does anybody have any good pact of punishment setups and builds for 32 heat and up
pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
oh cool thanks
@sleek rain
The hammer that you need to make zag shield good (but it makes it very good)
hello. if you have either the butterfly or the plume
do you keep the bonuses you’ve wracked up
when you switch
No
booo. i didn’t think so but still
Plume is only good for early rush delivery, and butterfly is good for nothing at all
Unfortunately
is there a way to guarantee styx or do you just have to get lucky if you have tight deadline
You just have to get lucky. God only knows what they were thinking there
You can get by with a 5 sack in lower heats
im on 32 lol
Yeah thats included in lower
oh mkay
Both Alecto and Meg are fighting me, WHAT DO I DO??? 😨
Win
fight both
Die horribly 
Successfully do the secret charisma check
nothing is more adrenaline pumping than finishing a td3 run with 20:xx on the timer
my heart is still pounding
Finishing a td run with >10:00 on the timer does it for me 
I’m not that good yet 😔
Finishing a td run with 14 min left on the clock 😌
I used the wrong sign 😔
👎
My adrenaline is pumping when I’m doing speed
I ❤️ speedrunning Hades
Gotta appreciate a Head of Security who loves his job
I don't think Hades appreciates getting insta phased every time his son walks into his arena
(he's secretly proud of Zagreus)
ayy i got the chaos legendary boon lets go!
I just finished 100%ing Hades 1! Good luck to you all, I'm moving on to Hades 2 finally. 👍
how many hours?
154 and around 120 runs.
dang what did you do for 100% like epilogue?
Every achievement, reaching the epilogue was just one of them. The hardest one to get was maxing every keepsake, but that's just because it took so long.
just getting every keepsake to 3 stars? and acheivements?
Getting every keepsake to 3 stars is one of 49 achievements on Steam, which is where I play Hades. I got all 49 achievements on Steam and completed pretty much everything else in the game.
well yeah i suppose im talking about like buying everything in the contracter, getting every bond forged and the rank maxed and the weapons aspects maxed, stuff like that, im on steam too
Yeah I got every bond forged and rank maxed, every prophecy fulfilled, I'm missing some stuff from the contractor though, it's not hard to get but it is a lot of time that I could instead spend trying out Hades 2. ||25000 darkness for the "Infinite Theme" is craaaazy.||
sorry I was tabbed out
What about the 325k for the resource director :)
yeahhh im going for every single thing possible to get, i got 135 hourse and like 110 runs rn
i have like 3 achievements left
I didn't really bother with the resource director much.
the house contractor?
did you fill out the codex completely?
Missing chaos fish because they never show up! And I need to visit Erebus a couple more times but yeah pretty much full.
loyalty cards and everything? dang you seriously grinded maximum effiency
I'll need to check later, I'll see if I've filled out the codex for the cards later because I can't remember now.
well either way mad props
Thanks, good luck getting the rest of your achievements. 👍
idk if it was just me but I got the epilogue long after I maxed the keepsakes lol
unseen one!!
I was about to say
154 hours to 100% Hades is crazy unless you’re doin steam achievements
It also took me longer than it should have because I was doing runs without increasing my relationships with the Olympians and others, so I didn't get to the epilogue until more recently.
what's best aspect of gloves? don't have gila
Demeter
also why is hestia deissapointing? do i need to max it??
also what demeter fist build?
level 1 or 2 hestia is just level 0 zagrail unfortunately 
at level 3 or 4 or better yet 5, hestia goes nuts though
either
, or zeus attack + static discharge. dionysus attack can work too.
put something that scales off of base special damage on the special.
uhm could you say in simplier terms? like what to get on cast,atk,special
for
, you want ares attack, athena special, and athena dash. try and get impending doom from ares, and as many poms on the attack as you can get.
for zeus attack + static discharge, your goal is to get a static discharge from zeus and a poseidon dash, then dump as many poms into these as you can.
dionysus attack works a bit like zeus attack strategies, but you can't apply static discharge using the attack so you'll have to rely on the fists' high attack speed to keep the hangover damage going.
breaching cross is best, but long knuckle and explosive upper are both valuable too.
You don’t need gilga to have the best fists aspect
ok but consider the following:
paws up 
oh shoot chiron boss is avabile
be i have no win rate agsiant him loll
ah screw it
gonna try
The mod that allows you to clear a bunch of heat at once and get all the rewards instead of going one by one has got to be in the top 3 Hades mods
i died...
Try not to make a mess
Shoutout to Zeus for watching me butcher this run trying to get duo boons for the prophecy list (I butchered that too
) and just sort of saying "Here you go, Nephew" and throwing every good boon he has at me until I win by sheer force
I'd done far worse using far better builds, good stuff
Every Zeus boon is a pretty good build tbh
Maybe if it wasn't on the fists 
If you had his attack and jolted then is already good
Or dash/lightning reflexes+ jolted
Wait that was attempt 100, Hypnos didn't congratulate me on dying 100 times 
Gg
does he does this often?
One time
Does anyone have a yt vid showing all the god kill voicelines in god trial in hades 1? I've heard of some but I wanna check them all out now lol
Ok, now I'm super confused, I got dialogue from Dusa about the lounge after catapaulting nectar at her, and the prophecy is still incomplete
hmm i wonder if ill be able to beat em4 hades
Maybe a bit early to be decidijg
well myrmidon bracer + weak will def help me
gets backstabbed 
ahh hell i ahvent gone to 15 heat in the spear hmm
and im def doing a lotta damage with my serrated point +153% dash strike
with +25% from high confidence
yea i got to hades and i died KEK
no matter i was just exerimenting w high confidence guan yu
Gotta respect the moxie
ohhh i shouldve had bouldy
that wouldve helped
its def possible with the build i got
i just had some skill issue oh well
Might've been better to take Acorn over Bracer. Acorn is worth quite a lot defensively, and the less HP you have, the more value it provides
mmh true
now am gonna do athena stuff w beowufl
first room chaos
less go
+33% rare or greater
does "or greater" count duos in¿
ur epic
increiblde
heading for divine protection then
oh lord, fast + double damage louts
OH LORD
2 TIMES IN A ROW
AND THIS TIME IN THE 45 SECOND HADES ROOM
i am
so surprised i didnt lose a dd there
You have a shield in a survival room just block in a corner lmao
Hold attack, aim in direction of attack
got my first hidden aspect other than guan yu, which was arthur
digging it so far
what hidden aspect should i get next guys?
Beo
is that the shield
yeah
gilga
Arthur or Gilga are by far the worst
wait arthur bad? D:
ok yeah no I actually dislike arthur more lol
ive been using it and i think its kinda fun
It's just really slow, and face taking builds don't really work in Hades. It's always better to just kill everything
You can still have playing it tho
Every aspect is good in it's own right. Except Gilga. I hate Gilga
gilga is gun one?
Fist one
Arthur fine for clearing in low heat but being slow and clunky isnt very good when enemies move at 1.4x speed and hit twice as hard
oh yeah i dont like fists personally so it ruins my day
Lucifer for the Adamant Rail- it is a delight
does it make the gun any fun
because man i sleep when i use gun
It is super unique, does not play like the other gun aspects or any other weapon for that matter
is that the one where i need to talk to asterius
If on controller, rebind reload
already have luckily
to ZL
for asterius do i need to talk to him with the gun in order to get hidden aspect? cause i know for shield u need to equip it in order to get it
Asterius gives Gilga iirc
because i’ll be darned if i need to use gun in order to unlock its aspect
What builds do you use on gun
Exagryph: Aspect of Lucifer. Unlock the Aspect of Guan Yu, then invest at least 5 Titan Bloods into any Rail aspects. Zeus should tell you more in a conversation soon after that.
never ever once seriously used gun, beat a run once with it and never went back
Aspect of Eris is the best Exagryph one to invest in early, all of the guns benefit from Ares (stacking fast doom) and Athena ( with lucifer aspect detonating the special) works best for the gun I find, Poseidon turns it into a super soaker which is funny
Ares on any of the rails isn't good lmao
All except hestia want Zeus attack, hestia wants Aphrodite
The special for all is Artemis/Aphrodite ideally
what gods to look for if im using hestia?
Look one comment above yours
that comment strictly states all aspects except hestia
while i want hestia
I think you only read half of what Bananas said 
im sorry can u forgove me
Absolutely. Bring it here 🤗
yay
best stygius aspect?
nemesis
"Trust, but verify"
- limon, probably
He's late for work
You'll just have to try to catch him another time
Prob gotta talk to him at the house
It's happened like 20 times
Aka just pray he's there
Oh, I thought you meant Than at home. Listen to SomeNoobDying
Yes but I need to talk to him after beating him for the favour
Than is just a pain in the ass
Just swap this to pray he stays
:(
Don't say that about my pooks
Tell him to appear more then
Peak
You may also need to talk to him in the house iirc, idk man it's been like 10 months since I did anything story related
I did the 10 run thing and then just started speedrunning
.
Still better than bigp at least
What if 🍨 has been ignoring Thanatos at home and Thanatos is peeved for having been ignored 
Ngl Thanatos is kinda out of the way in the house lmao
He's so far
But I think you can see him after you die
Like coming out of the pool
I may or may not have pulled a bigP for Hades 2 😂
What is bigp? I dun wanna Google it
Speedrunner that downloaded hades and just went straight into speedrunning
Maxed file and everything
Noob it's a joke about how his name sounds like big p*nis
I play on the modpack, they can't hide from me
mb mb i wasnt looking
how to get companions? how am i 4 heat yet had no idea these things existed...
How well do y'all think Artemis on eris will go? Great?
I’ve been playing Hades for years and I just found out that you can talk to
Bouldy
why did nobody tell meeee XD
I've been playing for 2 weeks and I found out maybe day 5. But then again I watch videos
I found out beacause i watched the 64 unseeded heat clear … but welp i replayed like 3 times and on my current save im on my 100+ run and its the first time i talked to him this is just sad XD
That sucks well at least you know now
Yea

what if im using tight deadline and run out of time mid final boss fight?
do i instant die
or whst
I believe so ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ unless the timer stops for some reason
if the timer runs out during your run, you start taking 5 damage per second until you win or you die
i see
thank goodness
i beat him before
dw, not instant death
Damn it I was so excited to fight Hades (weird run but doing well) and I didn't realize it was my tenth wasn't able to and now I'm sad. Cool ending tho
idk how but uhm hestia kileld chiron
What are the best aspects to purchase first? I haven't unlocked the third aspects for purchase yet
There’s a guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players for how potent each aspect is at each level
Sans the hidden aspects since they’re kinda spoilsrs
is there anything else to unlocking Hypnos' hearts other than "pray for good rng dialogue"? its been so long since he said anything substantial to me, I forgot he even is a relation (and Than couldn't care less of course)
dang why does dusa need so much dang ambrosia
shes stocking the lounge! :3 ||she gives you the option of taking it all back later if you need them, no hard feelings||
bruh i need my ambrosia for other stuff im giving to dusa not to the whole dang lounge
can you not forge a bond with thanatos or dusa without...
Without what
If you mean romance then you can forge a bond by rejecting them
After maxing dusa you still need 1 more convo for the bond
hai
is there a max lv for boons
No
You need to complete her favour to progress
Which is liks
Buy a bunch of furniture
The exact specifics are on the fandom wiki
Zagreus must help her bring the lounge up to Nyx's standards by using the House Contractor to complete a minimum of 12 Lounge-focused renovations, which must include at least one rug for the area as well as cleaning up Cerberus's fur and the scratches he left in the floor
So I'm trying out a "enemies and traps are as strong as possible and also timer" heat setup run. DC 2 is really tough most of the time. Only tried Hera so far and usually die in tart.
Hera really doesnt like cp2 dc2 lol
Yeah ig things not dying and delaying casts back is not ideal. So far cp2 has felt like a much less big of an issue than dc2. The idea was to make a use for the special.
Zeus special kind of became ideal. Hell, Zeus attack wouldn't be bad.
Cp2 hardly ever feels bad bc it doesn't exactly like hurt you directly
It doesn't negate hits like DC so you're still dealing damage
But it's just like always there and making things longer to kill
Yeah, could easily be less noticeable.
Still, tart has a lot of little things. DC really makes numb skulls suck.
Trying to special or snurst them just means I'm standing still too long and taking big damage
dc sucks with hera
even nitro's 57? heat took DC1
neutralizing that first cast is rough
Curious on what the community thinks on this because I had a fellow fan that thought otherwise: Is the Aspect of Lucifer a future aspect or a past aspect?
future
Anyone have that image of Hypnos telling Zag to git gud on hand?

Hey
What jobs should I prioritize from the house contractor?
How will I know everything is available to purchase?
Stuff keeps getting unlocked
There's a ✅ under the name of the section when you are done iirc
Oh I mean like new stuff keeps appearing
What’s the last stuff to appear?
than is so shyyyyyyyyy
than 😍
i think i dont understand the pets from achilles and meg? isn't her objectively better?
hows the damage distributed
It is just better yeah
Meg is objectively best for speedrunning
Also really really solid for heat due to the speed / damage/ aoe
but like hows the balance there even meant?
her deals 2500 to how many enemies in a row?
and achilles only deals 1500 to 2 enemies?
Achilles has more single target damage
Achilles summon can hit the same target twice
Can delete sneak and doomstone in Tartarus
Can also be used against furies 
In case you really hate them
lol ok
I just finished my 9th run
It was way harder than the first 8 clears 😭
I almost wiped and lost my 4 escape streak
how much health does charon have?
nice, it only gets easier from here (or harder)
Oops
I think Mort is pretty good you can't just pop it like Meg's companion but you can still place it pretty reliably
Like after I phase Theseus it will hit both of them for free
Meg can hit them both at the start instead
The main thing for meg is the speed
And 2.5k is enough to destroy most mini bosses armor
(except big rat/big laser in styx)
i just got paupers defiance offered a second time in the same run without egg
but there is an epic caustic lunge which is way better
Chaos is biased wth
is there some glitch where ares just wont let the locked heart open?
ive killed 10,000 foes and talked to him after that like atleast 20 times
and also dinonysus ive gifted like atleast 20 ambrosia bottles and he just doesnt care
Did you gift them ambrosia?
yes
Hades dialogue rng moment then
4 time getting offered legendary chaos boon out of like 20 attempts
god both of the boss themes for hades go so hard
Ahhhh why is chaos’ legendary so hard to get🥲
Spare one for me let me get the prophecy/j
question
is dark foresight better than olympian favor
10000%
It’s not even a question
+40% rare chance is not enough quality to beat out the sheer massive quantity more boons/poms/gold/hearts you find
As someone who was routinely playing with it on for nearly 400+ runs in a row and starting a new save file without it
The decrease in all my gold laurels was
heavily noted
i see you big man
Do note that if you are looking at way less gifts/keys/gemstones if you’re still hurting for them
na
Given how low darkness drops from rooms are I wouldn’t be concerned about them compared to just how fast you kill bosses
plus gemstones
the reward is only 6 thats hh
same thing if you have the upgrade where bosses drop gemstones
Afaik no since he isn’t a gold laurel reward
wow rocket bomb is nice
also, troves lamo
yea i got out of tartarus with 5 blessings lol
boons*
my normal is like 3 or even 2 lmao
Game needs more bloons as well
Doubloons
Hades tower defense
gimme doubloons
Blood and darkness tower
Exactly
Artemis sniping archer tower
Lucifer tower
Grow Dionysus fields to sell fruit to buy more towers!
The towers would be shooting at the titans and their armies
Somebody get this llama a team and a research grant ASAP!
Guys, what's your most used boon, aspect, hammer upgrade?
Flood flare, Beo, Charged shot
(from stats) Hyper Sprint, Hades, Serated Point
Are you playing fists mostly?
A real gamer would have mirage shot, beo, charged shot
Mortals usually have flood flare more often than mirage shot
Hyper Sprint, Breaching Cross (35 uses, consolation prizes to Twin Shot, Ferocious Guard, Triple Bomb, Triple Jab, 1-2 less uses), Aspect of Zag rail x Zeus shield (51).
Although if I was to include just my last 200 runs it’d probably be:
Hyper Sprint, Twin Shot, Zag bow.
Crazy how I have 235 Antos uses and 233 Hyper Sprint uses

Probably thunder flourish, Zeus shield, explosive return
And there’s a build right there lmao
Idk exactly since I clear run history
bro why can't i romabnce dusa
She's too cool for you
gonna record a small demo to explain myself better when explaining heroes fights and lmfao fo0 slow
and might as well show call iframes
Sword moment
just run fo2 and handwave it
If they’re focused on the gameppay they won’t notice the little skull
ik they'll prob won't notice the fo2 timings but still
No tdash start makes me sad :{
hi barge
Unmodded truly is a thing that exists
would you pom common jolted to 2 or call to 3 (both common, jolted off lightning reflexes mostly)
banking on smair
think I’d take jolted
Jolted easy
I got sprint purple haste earlier on zag sword
Was zooming til I died
Back at it with shackle zag sword for another go
Get it twisted, mashing is the only way to play sword
Pull up to heroes with heroic swift strike flurry/piercing wave zag sword
For your heroes explanation video
lightning reflexes giving me mad call charge lmfao
almost full called by accident
tho I think it was mainly a lernie moment
every thing triggers reflexes here
Hmm
Breaching slash or syper novaaaaaaa
Breaching slash is always nice but
I’m really feeling the special the more I play shackle zag sword
iframing the bullrush looks goofy
Anyway, I was bored so I decided to rank every boon https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240373379073052733/1251742336359333988/Screenshot_2024-06-15_223547.png?ex=666faf65&is=666e5de5&hm=b58a32e44fb079690b9f2e93b7df1e2564ced322f8fc7729308d4f3ee055531a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=502&height=623
In a speedrunning context
Does your recording software not have an option to create clips?
Glad to see as a casual player I'm not crazy for actively trying to find Tidal Dash every single run because it's so good
I can barely read the rest unfortunately because of how small it is
btw, don't use this as an actual guide. This is more of a joke than anything
The high tiers are right tho
Support fire isn’t the best boon?!?!??
Wth
"support fire isn't so great? are you-"
To be clear this is a joke.
Tidal Dash is one of the few boons I actively remember from the first game
~~ Support Fire isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a boon with such an ability and damage with artemis? Support Fire puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a boon with its power and enhancement of the game again. Merciful End breaks records. Mirage Shot breaks records. Suppot Fire breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.~~
But can we get shackle's aspect tier list
You should post this to reddit and get downvoted to oblivion
one sec
Everyone's also gonna complain that they can't read the boon names lmao
Maybe
After this run
Does tierlist maker already have it as a catagory
I remember having the make the sword one myself
no my epic bronze skin
wait I didn’t reset my sd post lernie fifgt
Walking into ely with 6 hp and an sd
Oh!!!!
Roiling Defiance 
+72% enemies
ball
Just did
omw to downvote! 🏃
User name is big-boko69 btw
time to log in to reddit for the first time in like a month just for the bit
Can’t get JS3.5’d on an Asterius fight
Guys maybe JS3.5 just for a defiance wasn’t the best idea in 32heat elsyium
oh right
Aspect tier list
Btw, if anybody comments saying I am wrong, I'm pulling the "I'm top 20, shut up," card
W
Is second for enjoyment?
yeah
no
don't write that down
if you're looking at the second one
the first one sure
the second one is my own enjoyment
Definitive speedrun weapon list, all ordered btwhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240373379073052733/1251750138288930926/Screenshot_2024-06-15_230751.png?ex=666fb6a9&is=666e6529&hm=d73e1c79cae589908785fd61028c00dbaa910fb57ce355a2c920a93c86d05b41&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=202
like I'm a mega huge zag rail fan due to spreadfire but it is not eris or hestia by a longshot
smh rama in B
is level 0 zagshield that bad smh
Based lmao
Also speaking of tierlists I made one for speed, heat, and overall a bit ago lmao
Speed, heat, overall in that order
Btw, somebody just commented about the low quality on the boon list, bananas truly can see the future
It's happened before lmao
Last time I saw an all boons tierlists the names were unreadable
The last tierlist was also pretty garbage overall
You can’t get the whole thing in a screen shot with zooming out super far
Or stitch together a big image!
I’m too lazy, it was meant to be a joke
idk what they're on about
I
Fair lmao
I can read this just fin
True just memorize all the icons
tidal dash, rd, Me, Mirage shot, jolted, arte strike
hs, crush shot, flood shot, zeus strike, arte flourish, hunters mark, pp, greatest reflex, smair, shoals, beaver, lightining shot, billowing str, zeus aid, ares strike, athena flourish, ddash, hunting blaldes, slicing shot, rod, splitting bolt.
Heavens vengeance, double strike, blade dash, impending
woops
hydraulic might, proud bearing, flurry cast, aphro strike, flourish,heart rend, hunter dash, boiling point, dying lament, DR, snow burst, trippy shot, quick reload, greater haste, sea storm, CoD, dio call, CoV, lightningreflexes, phalanx shot, lightnign phalanx, Vengeful mood, DP, Nourished soul?, ice wine?, premium vintage, rare crop, ravenous will, support fire, sure footing, sweet nectar, swwet surrender, deadly shot
Meh: Storm Lightning, Life Affirmation, Blood frenzy, Wave Pounding, strong drink, ares special, LT, dire misfortune, splitting headache, fully loaded, holy shield, greater recall? excluisve access, bliding flash, athena aid, bad news, urge to kill, typhoon fury, sunken treasure, CoN, riptide, pos aid,
ok I'm not going any further
Anyone who needs more pixels than that is cringr
can u use magaera's summon in bossfights?
Yes excluding 2 situations
- it’s meg and you’re using meg
i had all charges when i was at hades and i couldnt use it
- it’s an employee of Hades and Hades hasn’t greenlit those yet
ohh

You should be using them
You can only use them once per room
but have only a certain amount uses per run right?
bro wtf is this im talking abt hades 1
Stickybot cares not for the content of your messages, just that his own message stays visible in chat to ward off any incoming Hades 2 chatters
Yeah but walking into Hades with max uses means you’ve got 4 uses that are wasted and should have been used
oh
i just recently unlocked it so i dont know much
i have 50 hours on tha game
whichc i should probably be more unlocked
I got it I got the chaos legendary 😭
Yeah it’s rough tbh
Chaos played as Zagshield are basically the same on shackle

It doesn’t really change my opinion
I mean ig
i went to EM4 and now i don't want to go back even though i'm over the heat counter, the upped bossfights are so much more fun than things like hard labor or tight deadline
i have like a 20% win rate over just em4 rn lmao, i think i'll wait
every time i try for a cast build chaos just doesn't appear ever ;-;
and then they shower me with +1 cast and +70% cast dmg in other runs
I wonder how differently Hades would play if we got a parry mechanic a la Bastion's shield
There'd be more aggro play styles lmao
Happens
they just want to hug you and give you all the 💙
somehow i didnt die
time for biggest challenge which is 32 heat
and seeing how i lost a dd in tartarus its not gonna go very well
oh no barge of death
holy mama mia playing 32 heat is like playing the game for the first time again
first 32 heat run
made it to elysium
High confidence 
KEK
HC kinda based
well if i made it to elysium with -50 health that has to account for something right
for my first 32 heat run
Also em4 
well excuse me i dunno anything about 32 heat!!!!!!! wah
Dc1 hera
There's a guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
RR and stygian Hera is so cursed wtf
yeah i didnt look at it
ima be attempting 32 heat after i get bounty limit w each weapon
i gor bounty limit with bow thats why i attempted 32
is this a joke or a real suggestion
Hi there! quick q - im in elysium and charon's "borrowable" bag showed up in his shop, but the next room is also an encounter with patroclus. i want to do both! if you win against charon does it skip the next room completely, or does it bring you to it?
ive been wonderin that too
Skip
aww RIP
Pro tip: always, always take patroclus
yeah thats what ill go with haha
no i mean like
I've used Charon to avoid a god in my pool before lmao
in every situation, you should take patroclus
charon smaron
I assume this was really high heat
Charon at high heat 
you dont take high heat charon
12 heat marks so much difference
That dmg loss adds up fast
It also means that lining up enemies to hit with 1 cast also goes to waste
Coolest spear either
Shield gaming
is telling hermes to shut up part of the vanilla game? cuz it's hilarious
Yes
I love Hermes
wtf is this games rng
0 wells in styx with the hourglass
needed to clear every single room for sack
and hermes just doesnt wanna give rd
starting 2nd phase of hades with 2 hp, 0 death defiance
i dont know how i win, but i did
ayyy congrats
I tried to draw the son of Hades
Guys theres like a trick with Daedalus Hammers right? Where if you don't take it in Tartarus it appears again? i cant remember what was that tip about
Basically the game wants to make sure you get your 2 hammers, so if you miss it in tart is likely it shows up again pretty soon
Hermes works the same
yes that's exactly what I was thinking about, I'll google to find further info
Difference is that your 2nd hammer will only show up in elysium+
2nd hermes can show up from asphodel+