Not the best if you’re just going for a bow clear
#h1-discussion
fervent radish
brisk trail
I use Dio first than Zeus and posiden
fervent radish
Artemis on special is probably the most functional
brisk trail
I was told it a good bow xD
fervent radish
It's very beginner friendly
I guess
I feel like flurry twin zagbow is better bc you just do constant damage
latent moon
I mean yeah but that doesn't make Chiron like bad
If you want bad hades spear is right there lmao
A lot of stuff is better than Chiron but at least like the usability of it flows well
If you're not like a top level player at least
It's easy to use and it has like decent single target damage
brisk trail
I got a new record with the bow 24 minutes
I officially done a run with each weapon
XD
I appreciate the tips also guys
brisk trail
No I gotta figure out a main weapon haha
gentle venture
i mean the fists can be like easy mode depending on the boons
And it doesnt really matter which aspect, that’s mostly a preference thing
~~ personally i love the hidden aspect but a lot of people here don’t ~~
fiery pecan
After unlocking mirrors and weapons do you need keys for something else?
gentle venture
I think there is like ONE type of thing during the post game, but it’s not required and its super minor, so not really
i just use them at the merchant
mint coral
After unlocking mirrors and weapons do you need keys for something else?
Keep 15 of them at hand for the occasional 15 keys = blood trade
gentle venture
Does RM ever need keys?
mint coral
Their value goes up once you get fated keys
gentle venture
The resource manager
gentle venture
I think there is like ONE type of thing during the post game, but it’s not requi...
Thats what i was referring to
yeah, probably only a couple
so don’t stress about holding on to them
i’ve been keeping em to get nectars to get diamonds to get ambrosia to get the second credits
what a mouthful
mint coral
How many keys do you even need for 1 ambrosia
gentle venture
Something pretty high i think
brisk trail
For my 10th run use a weapon I won't use correct ??
gentle venture
well it doesnt matter as much now that you’ve cleared it with everything, but yeah, use something you normally struggle with
gentle venture
Something pretty high i think
I’m pretty sure it’s 10 nectar for one diamond
and I’m pretty sure it’s 10 keys per nectar
And it’s two diamonds for ambrosia
brisk trail
well it doesnt matter as much now that you’ve cleared it with everything, but ye...
Haha woops 😅😅
My least fav is the gun so I'll do that than
devout torrent
I’m pretty sure it’s 10 nectar for one diamond
and I’m pretty sure it’s 10 keys ...
5 keys for nectar
proven lichen
How many keys do you even need for 1 ambrosia
5 keys for 1 nectar. 10 nectar for a diamond. 2 diamonds for an ambrosia. Thus 5 * 10 * 2 = 100 keys per ambrosia
gentle venture
Jeez
mint coral
Damn
gentle venture
But considering the amount of gemstones you get, and its 10 gemstones per one key
wait that means its 1,000 gemstones
Damn
Right?
mint coral
At that point just use the pact
proven lichen
10 gems per key, so yes
Man I didn't even realize fully till I did the math
They could've made bank if they had gem microtransactions
gentle venture
The amount of things I could’ve improved in the house if I just never bought that stuff…
gentle venture
At that point just use the pact
While it is TECHNICALLY faster, that assumes you’re consistently beating stuff enough to get bounties done when you still care to do the spending of the objects
and i can never make that assumption
mint coral
Depends on the gods you are maxing for the epilogue ig
gentle venture
the amount of weapons ive cleared certain heat up to only elysium is just taunting me
mint coral
Depends on the gods you are maxing for the epilogue ig
Avoid aphro and you only need like 7?
gentle venture
What is her objective again?
mint coral
Max dusa, meg and Than
gentle venture
Right
mint coral
Avoid aphro and you only need like 7?
4 gods need 1 ambrosia
Hermes needs 2 and Dem counts as maxed on the lock
So you only need 6 actually
strictly speaking ofc
If you don't know who to go to you'll need to get more if you already gifted some
But even is only running heat 1-2 for like 12 more
mint coral
Is 6 gods maxed needed to proceed
gentle venture
I gotta check what i have later tonight
I know for a fact I have atrs, dio, and athena and i think one more
void vigil
Max dusa, meg and Than
as far as i know you dont need to romance them, just complete the bond
for clarification
gentle venture
off topic but
maid-dusa
mint coral
I know for a fact I have atrs, dio, and athena and i think one more
Dem counts at reaching her lock so that's an easy one if not already obtained
void vigil
i got the favor immediately because early access, but i see a lot of people here struggling to get it to trigger
gentle venture
she’s only dusa cuz half of her is left
gentle venture
Dem counts at reaching her lock so that's an easy one if not already obtained
Then im either at 4 or 5
mint coral
And hermes favor is easy
gentle venture
What is it again?
mint coral
Speak to him with 3* plume equipped
mint coral
Just commit to a few dodge runs
gentle venture
Then I definitely haven’t done it
I’ll just equip the fists and put it on for an entire run
Go beast mode with gilgamesh
I mean, I guess technically, it’s always beast mode with gilga
Onto other things, if you could add a couple weapons to zag’s arsenal, what would you add?
I had a whole in depth concept for a weaponized pair of deadalus’s wax wings that sounded pretty cool
brisk trail
Had anyone played immortals fenyx rising is it any good ??
Sorry for the non Hades question
gentle venture
i mean i havent played it but its modern ubisoft, i’d be worried at a minimum
if possible, find a demo or a review, modern ubisoft is hit or miss
unfortunately or fortunately, depending how you look at it, hades is the best fix for greek mythology related games for this era
gentle venture
unfortunately or fortunately, depending how you look at it, hades is the best fi...
Or i guess TECHNICALLY some parts of assassin’s creed odyssey, but not a ton of it
but again, its modern ubisoft
only get that on sale, unless you REALLY wanna play a good spartan game, but a bad assassin’s creed game
Other than unlocking the other weapons, Is there a specific threshold that causes the fists and the rail to show up in the courtyard?
I recently started Hades mobile and want to get back into the fists as fast as possible
livid sphinx
are there any advantages controller has over m/kb?
or would I lose too much control for it to be worth learning?
fervent radish
are there any advantages controller has over m/kb?
or would I lose too much cont...
You can move/dash in 360° instead of just 8 directions
It’s really relevant for high heat monodash gameplay
But not worth unless you’re pushing 60+ imo
fervent radish
high heat zeus uses kbm lol
Yeah I don’t like controller lol
Also haven’t really learned it
livid sphinx
controller also has better aiming
true the one time I tried it I noticed bow was wayy more precise
fervent radish
I’m mostly thinking of Rama
livid sphinx
8 direction movement would be nice, I already use mouse targeting for dash though so I think controller might be worse tbh
wouldn't it be harder to dash one direction while moving another?
livid sphinx
would be interesting to have a joystick of some sort instead of wasd
livid sphinx
does controller auto target or is there some control over aim (for rail for example)
latent moon
you can aim with controller with your joystick iirc
i dont really use controller tho lmao
fervent radish
But since you always attack at the direction you’re facing joystick controls the attack
That’s why having wasd for movement and attack at cursor allows attacking at a direction you’re not moving
mint coral
you can aim with controller with your joystick iirc
You can but you need to fight the auto aim
And for stuff like rail special you can use the right stick
fervent radish
You can but you need to fight the auto aim
Even if you turn off aim assist and have aim at cursor on?
fervent radish
Or like
narrow arrow
i've spent GOD KNOWS HOW MUCH TITAN BLOOD on shield and i still cant get the waking phrase from chaos
fervent radish
i've spent GOD KNOWS HOW MUCH TITAN BLOOD on shield and i still cant get the wak...
Have you done the other requirements?
narrow arrow
being?
narrow arrow
Have gy revealed/chaos has mentioned the shield before
pretty sure.
and i unlocked guan yu
lucifer
arthur
spent more titan blood than i would like to admit on the shield
mint coral
Aight yeah rng time then lol
narrow arrow
:/
fervent radish
Yeah
mint coral
Have fun with gilga btw
fervent radish
Did you get the “that thing sprang from me” line from chaos
fervent radish
Yeah
narrow arrow
why does it gotta be the bull
fervent radish
Real
narrow arrow
rama any good?
mint coral
Really good
narrow arrow
what does it do
brisk trail
Is aspect of Arthur any good ?
narrow arrow
i find it decent
gentle venture
Most people dont
It’s not unusable, but the slow special kills most of its potential
Even using boons to make your special attack faster can’t make up for how ungodly slow it makes your special
mint coral
The special is less of an issue than your atk
brisk trail
Ok well I got 14 titan blood haha
gentle venture
Yeah, It also changes your combo on your base attack
fiery pecan
rerrolling gates has any logic behind it? like rerrolling a god gate will always turned into a different god, or it can be anything?
gentle venture
Every other sword, you want to use your thrust attack
Arthur gets rid of it and i forget if the third hit does anything special
mint coral
what does it do
Tag enemies with special, then they take a % of the dmg done
gentle venture
rerrolling gates has any logic behind it? like rerrolling a god gate will always...
It will only always be a god if it’s a miniboss room
mint coral
Also higher dmg/slower draw
gentle venture
if it’s a normal room and you re-roll it, it could re-roll into something else
fiery pecan
what about trials?
brisk trail
I lied I got 15 titan blood and don't know what to use them on lmao
fervent radish
Every other sword, you want to use your thrust attack
Arthur gets rid of it and ...
Wait no
Arthur has a 3 hit combo and the third hit does like 200 base
narrow arrow
Tag enemies with special, then they take a % of the dmg done
DAMN
fervent radish
Rama is strong asf
mint coral
rerrolling gates has any logic behind it? like rerrolling a god gate will always...
There's a whole bag system that I cannot explain but yeah There's a whole logic behind it
fervent radish
And Arthur still has dash strikes
Arguable the reason it’s usable
And has a sub 6
But yeah BiS is electric shot to not spend 4 hours in Tartarus
fervent radish
There's a whole bag system that I cannot explain but yeah There's a whole logic ...
What’s the system
gentle venture
I think Arthur is generally accepted as the worst hidden aspect, somebody correct me if I’m wrong
fervent radish
It’s a competition with gilga
latent moon
What’s the system
fervent radish
But I enjoyed my 1 gilga run more than my 1 Arthur run so
latent moon
im pretty sure that's the bag
mint coral
What’s the system
Go find it on soeedcord lmao- there it is
gentle venture
I absolutely love gilga
narrow arrow
now what's gilga do
latent moon
I think Arthur is generally accepted as the worst hidden aspect, somebody correc...
gilga and arthur are fighting for last place afaik lmao
stone rune
gilga is worse
gentle venture
now what's gilga do
changes your two dashes to five shorter ones, changes your regular punches to sideways swiping claw attacks, and gives you discount doom that also makes enemies do slightly more damage to you for its duration, until the “doom” activates
stone rune
what do you mean five
stone rune
it is most certainly not five
gentle venture
Never mind its four
stone rune
you get two extra
gentle venture
but the gimmick is the dash upper being that discount doom
AND if you hold down dash attacks, it turns into an infinite combo
While that doom is active, you do an extra 25% damage to afflicted enemies, but they do 50% extra to you
The big reason people don’t like it is because they don’t see that extra 50% damage they do to you to be worth the rest of the gimmick
stone rune
the issue with it is the bad kit and awful dashes
gentle venture
but the gimmick is the dash upper being that discount doom
AND if you hold down...
I worded that badly
people think that that extra 50 damage enemies do to you is too big of a downside
Along with the vastly different move set , even though that’s the entire point of the legendary aspects
gentle venture
I dont think any aspect is garb
I think they all have their reasons to exist and they’re all pretty good depending on the situation you put them in
Just last night, there was a long playlist of very successful gilga gameplay put into the builds and combat chat
lavish sorrel
gilga just garb
lady, idk, gilga is comfy with the holding spacebar
fervent radish
I can agree with gilga, even though it needs a minor rework imo
Arthur and Chiron though
gentle venture
I think Gilga at a minimum has way more redeeming qualities than Arthur
fervent radish
I don’t think that just being different/doing something no other aspect does is a good enough reason for existing
lavish sorrel
yeah this game definitely has some trash aspects
fervent radish
yeah this game definitely has some trash aspects
Yeah, that level 0 zagsword for one /j
lavish sorrel
Yeah, that level 0 zagsword for one /j
I cry
gentle venture
Yknow
Chiron’s homing shot should just be a hammer
lavish sorrel
Yeah, that level 0 zagsword for one /j
(for the record, I agree)
lavish sorrel
My main gripe with FF is no FO
you have no idea how exponentially harder FO FF is
fervent radish
Maybe someday
lavish sorrel
I tried it using FreshFileFun for a good 10 hours and didn't win
fervent radish
Oh I’m sure
That’s what’s stopping me from just modding it in and playing
But FO2 has become such a core part of why I enjoy hades that I can’t let go of it right now
gentle venture
Yknow
Chiron’s homing shot should just be a hammer
If this were the case, then what would you replace the current aspects gimmick with?
fervent radish
🤔
gentle venture
Maybe replace that charged volley hammer and make that its own aspect?
lavish sorrel
If this were the case, then what would you replace the current aspects gimmick w...
remove chiron from the game and the game is fixed, remove beowulf from the game too while you're at it. the two extremes.
gentle venture
woah
gentle venture
hmmm
mint coral
And remove athena ares while we are at it
lavish sorrel
And remove athena ares while we are at it
only artemis in godpool, no-one else
gentle venture
And remove athena ares while we are at it
WOAH WOAH WO-
NO PUT DIO BACK
LEAVE HIM IN
mint coral
NO PUT DIO BACK
Yeah he stays dw
lavish sorrel
Yeah he stays dw
no, arty only 
speedrun meta becomes rely on RNG to crit every hit
gentle venture
Deal but only if I can have gilgamesh for ULTIMATE SPEED CRIT
mint coral
speedrun meta becomes rely on RNG to crit every hit
Dam-
gentle venture
What’s that? Maimed opponents do extra damage? Doesn’t matter you critted them to death seven swipes ago
You know what while we’re getting rid of stuff take zagreus out
Just floating weapon
fervent radish
My proposed gilga rework is that the initial ratio is 25% / 25%
gentle venture
I think that’s fine
fervent radish
And with rending claws, it increases to 50/50
gentle venture
Yeah, I think that makes sense
lavish sorrel
delete 
from the game 
gentle venture
I can totally understand that people think that that 50% is a lot
I just look at it as a reason to kill maimed enemies faster
mint coral
World where gilga was one of the first hidden aspects and its tested a lot more
gentle venture
Besides, I regularly forget that the special button exists when I’m just holding dash attacks
Put something good on dash, put something good on attack, forget the rest of the buttons
mint coral
Gilga's funniest thing is for big summon dmg
stone rune
the funniest thing with gilga is switching to a different aspect
gentle venture
Gilga's funniest thing is for big summon dmg
I don’t think I ever consciously thought about that but it’s probably happened to me a lot without me realizing
Speaking of which, what is the best companion once fully upgraded?
fervent radish
Meg
mint coral
Meg
gentle venture
I’ve been using than for the longest time
gentle venture
i think i always missed with meg and switched off but its been a while so I don’t really remember
fervent radish
I don’t know if than hits sneak actually
gentle venture
I always just used Thanatos because it’s a lotta damage
but I don’t think I have anybody fully upgraded yet
I know, for a fact, Thanatos is the furthest
mint coral
Meg
Tl;dr is that its dmg is enough for removing most mini bosses armor
And good dmg vs heroes/dad
Also is fast to appear
proven lichen
I mean achilles' isn't bad but meg is def better
fervent radish
Would need to time it differently ig
I feel like the targeting wouldn’t happen right unless you did it right when sneak appears and by then the sneak would disappear before it hits
But idk when exactly summon targets so idk
fervent radish
Right
gentle venture
Also is fast to appear
I think that’s the problem I always had with Than because sometimes I would try to use it on the heroes, and one of them would move out of the field like one second before he activated
mint coral
Tl;dr is that its dmg is enough for removing most mini bosses armor
(It only misses big laser/anthony)
gentle venture
Same with Dad
mint coral
Also meg has specific line ups so you can hit certain minibosses
Namely witches circle/bombers
fervent radish
The witches lineup is so good
proven lichen
speaking of, is there a meg guide for damage control? I find it mostly works for the main bosses but the timing changes for those so that it's akward
mint coral
Others are basically "summon when enemy on screen"
Or heroes meg is literally just
"press up and summon"
gentle venture
Same with than
mint coral
Meg can hit em3 too
gentle venture
Same with than
And then hope that asterius doesn’t jump out of the hoop
I love that dad has dialogue for bouldy
mint coral
Is that a blaster boulder from the sky
gentle venture
I love that that makes it seem that comparatively the other summons makes sense to him
Like “ah yes, his best friend and his lover, his OWN lovers, the maid, a skeleton that he befriended, alright”
“BUT IS THAT A FREAKING ROCK”
Speaking of dialogue, I wish Zag got at least one f-bomb
hades deserves one too though
gentle venture
hades deserves one too though
IS THAT A F*CKING BOULDER
lavish sorrel
several "blast"s, "blasted"s, "blast you"s and "piss off"s are dropped along the way. close enough.
gentle venture
I don’t know I think it would be funny to subvert our expectations by using a bunch of those and then ONE time he busts out a real “f you”
Probably on victory number nine
mint coral
By that time he's already starting to chill with the idea tho
gentle venture
Or a WHAT THE F on a death screen
mint coral
make zag say it when dad tells you about how persephone arrived here
gentle venture
that would be a good spot
i’m also imagining a “go… f… yourself” as hades dies and fades back to the house
hades saying it i mean
fervent radish
The first time you beat EM4
That would be good
Or maybe it’s a voice line you get when you beat 64 lmao
“Zagreus, f you.”
gentle venture
it would be funny if there were some cheeky dialogue when you get back to the house like “dude what” if you meet the condition when you’re back on positive terms
fiery pecan
is there any way of knowing wich boons are pomable?
gentle venture
it would be funny if there were some cheeky dialogue when you get back to the ho...
Like “dad why would you say that”
gentle venture
is there any way of knowing wich boons are pomable?
In game, i dont think so
i think the rule of thumb is that outside of the core attack boons, if it’s an effect or damage related support, then yes, if it’s a conditional thing then no
Like strong drink cant be pommed to my knowledge, because how would it improve
Or like demeter’s boon rarity one
A lot of supports that are conditional effects only have rarity variants
Off topic, but yknow what bothers me
there’s no like keepsake or well item to influence the appearance of Daedalus hammers
Obviously, I know that’s because there’s a limit, but a lot of the keepsakes have a one time use kind of thing
mint coral
is there any way of knowing wich boons are pomable?
#h1-discussion message take the non pommables instead
fervent radish
You’re kinda guaranteed one by tart end atm
brisk trail
Going to be on my tenth run xD
fervent radish
You’re kinda guaranteed one by tart end atm
So opportunity cost of losing god keepsake wouldn’t really be worth imo
gentle venture
well yeah but you could have it guarantee that the first chamber is always a hammer instead of a boon
there are a lot of times where I’d rather start out with an upgrade than a boon, for the sake of it being a little bit more random how my run is going to turn up
mint coral
You could maybe try to cook up smth to like chaos/hermes keepsakes
Cuz just force hammer would be bleh
gentle venture
I guess you’re right
I just find it weird that there’s no item to affect them at all other than Fated rolls
But there is one for fishing? Like why tho
mint coral
Do you mean the legendary or the well item
mint coral
Good for resource grinding/codex
With how they made hermes/hammers work you don't need to force them for that ig
Cuz they force themselves anyways
gentle venture
I would much rather have the item make the timing slightly easier than cause the actual point to show up
mint coral
W/o the item/legendary you have cooldowns between spots so makes sense it just forces 1 more
gentle venture
I would much rather have the item make the timing slightly easier than cause the...
I think frame perfect is just a tiny bit unforgiving, when the fillling their spot in the codex is as big of a focus as it is
Isnt that a fated objective?
mint coral
Don't remember
Also you have some leeway (although really small) no
Not frame perfect
gentle venture
Well, yeah, but when it’s super hard to track exactly when that button press is, I feel like what you get should not be left to as much of a chance as it is
fervent radish
fishing in this game is not hard once you understand the system
gentle venture
I’ve seen some fish precisely once, and I’m pushing the button at the exact same time every time as far as I can tell
If I pushed it any faster, it would consider it a miss
fervent radish
are you getting a perfect catch every time
gentle venture
no
fervent radish
ah
gentle venture
Hence, the reason I’m complaining
fervent radish
this
gentle venture
Good to know
mint coral
Nightmare world where fishing has its legendary rates fixed
mint coral
Lmaooo
gentle venture
Oh god no
keen mortar
i usually catch fish 100% of the time but i've never hit a legendary ever, i think my reaction speed is literally too slow
mint coral
Aspect of the week but instead of friendly competition is a gacha banner
mint coral
i usually catch fish 100% of the time but i've never hit a legendary ever, i thi...
Yeah
Need perfect catch for a chance at it
(perfect catch being a 50/50 for rare-legendary)
Normal catch is common-rare
gentle venture
wait youre telling me that I get a perfect fish and it’s a chance to get a rare one
mint coral
Now rare is more common than common 
gentle venture
Now I’m even more mad
mint coral
wait youre telling me that I get a perfect fish and it’s a chance to get a rare ...
It could be worse
keen mortar
Now rare is more common than common <:dusa:522248771409543188>
wait that's actually true
lmao
mint coral
Sgg was intending to have legendary chance way lower
gentle venture
You’re telling me that there’s a chance that even with perfect timing I still get a charp
mint coral
The 50/50 was a bug they left in cuz they liked it better
gentle venture
I don’t think I’m ever going to fish again
keen mortar
the window should def be extended a bit more
gentle venture
lot more
mint coral
More accessibility outside of god mode would've been cool
gentle venture
Elaborate because I’m not sure what else they would add
Other than maybe like a hit box vis option
gentle venture
Oh stuff like that then yeah
Well, I feel like the fishing window would compromise the achievement system
Unless they added some sort of visual indicator, other than the Bob
That wouldn’t be considered an outright advantage over playing normally
mint coral
I mean, god mode doesn't disable anything either
gentle venture
Not gonna lie learning about that 50-50 really kills it for me
Well, yeah, but I think that’s fine because it’s effectively just a difficulty setting
latent moon
50/50 for fishing?
that feels fairly reasonable doesnt it
considering like 50/50 for rare vs legendary is pretty good
gentle venture
No if I get a perfect catch, I want a guaranteed legendary fish
gentle venture
No if I get a perfect catch, I want a guaranteed legendary fish
I didn’t put in the work to get second place
keen mortar
apparently if the bob comes really quickly after the previous one it's a real one
mint coral
Yeah
Real bob is 1-2 secs
Anything past that is fake
And can only get 4 bobs so if 3 firsts are fake then get ready
gentle venture
i feel like perfect should be 100% legendary
Pretty good timing should be like 75% rare and 25 common
And last second should be like 25% rare and 75% common
If I do the best job, I want the best reward
I feel like that makes sense
mint coral
What would the new timing windows look like with those chances
Cuz we just have normal catch and perfect
keen mortar
just make it fully random at that point
gentle venture
I feel like perfect would be the same timing as perfect as now, slightly more forgiving, though, as we’ve discussed
basically right after that would be rare
and like the last frame before it would be a failure should be just common
steep condor
wouldn't that make it super hard to get common?
gentle venture
Maybe my verbiage is incorrect, but if there are three types, there should be three timings, regardless of the ratio
keen mortar
Maybe my verbiage is incorrect, but if there are three types, there should be th...
ic makes sense but then people would have to purposely stall a while to get commons lol
mint coral
How long does a fish stay for again
gentle venture
I figure that the best timing would mean the best catch and fill in the blanks from there
proven lichen
I just got 5-sacked on a td3 run ffs aaaaa
mint coral
Cuz you would prob need to change that to have 3 timings
Rn perfect catch is 340ms or less
gentle venture
I think you could extend it by like a second
Regardless, I think perfect reaction time should deem the best fish every time, not a 50-50 chance
That’s like somebody working hard to get a first place score but getting second place just because they flip a coin
steep condor
yeah, could just have perfect cach - legendary, normal catch - common or rare
mint coral
That’s like somebody working hard to get a first place score but getting second ...
Me with the styx sack:
keen mortar
Me with the 6-sack:
mint coral
Damn you got the XL styx
steep condor
though when you play the game a while you can get perfect catch easily a lot, getting a legendary every time would be too much
gentle venture
but thats a good reward for perfect timing
Wait according to the wiki theres already 3 timings
Never mind i misread
well still putting this here for reference
Less than 0.34 second: Perfect catch. 50/50 chance to catch a Rare or Legendary fish.
0.34 second to 0.68 second: Catch. 50/50 chance to catch a Common or Rare fish.
After 0.68 second: fail with a "Too Late" message.
so your reaction time to catch ANYTHING has to be less than a full second
just extend it to a full second and change the specifics slightly, and take that 50/50 out of there
Boom, an adequate reward for a good effort
yo charon wells should be in every shop room
mint coral
I'll take that beo buff
gentle venture
or at least in the mid-floor one
rustic vale
Regardless, I think perfect reaction time should deem the best fish every time, ...
Eh I mean
Itms way better then what it was
Legendary being 50:50 is only 50:50 because of a bug that became a feature iirc
Anyways legendary being guaranteed on perfect catch would make them less special imo since it’s not hard to get consistent
gentle venture
Legendary being 50:50 is only 50:50 because of a bug that became a feature iirc
that is correct
i just feel like perfect reaction time should deem the best reward consistently
I didn’t work that hard to get second place
rustic vale
I feel it’s perfectly adequate
Since
I dunno
I just feel like it’s fine
Would it really be legendary if I just got them every time I fished
gentle venture
To catch a fish at all, your reaction time needs to be less than a second
if they made it a full, second they could tweak when is legendary, when is rare, and when is common
rustic vale
After a certain point it wouldn’t
Full second is ages
And still suffers from the same problem of just
Them not being legendary when you get them every time
gentle venture
i mean either way like
knowing that i could do it frame perfect and still get like a slavug is SUPER discouraging
especially when there’s a whole codex section tracking the fish
rustic vale
It’s 50:50 on acerage
gentle venture
a section that could be empty of legendaries due to a literal coin toss
rustic vale
It’s 50:50 on acerage
You’ll be fine unless you consistently sufder bad rng
gentle venture
i dont think i’d complain if i had good rng, then id have literally nothing to worry about
rustic vale
Yeah
stone rune
and average reaction time is faster for audio
like 150 ms
and the game has an audio cue
rustic vale
Plus there is a lot you can do in the way of predicting when the next will be tbh
Eh
“A lot”
Is like they can only be within 4 bobs and real bobs are within a shorter time interval then fake ones
Iirc
audio helps a lot
Hades could do with a cumulative failure weighting for a lot of rng systems though
Like random important dialogue and possibly even apply it to legendary fish idk
gentle venture
the average reaction time is like 200 ms
Well lets remember that average means the middle data of a large group, right?
so does that mean that people outside of that average dont deserve legendary fish
stone rune
google standard deviation
rustic vale
The amount of people who have a significantly higher reaction time
Is as low as the amount with significantly lower
gentle venture
Well yeah, but combine the high end with the middle, the average
that means even less people are skilled at the reaction time than people that are even ALRIGHT at it, let alone good
rustic vale
So even without being
average
Odds are you are closer to average then not
The average has plenty of time and most people will fall quite close to that average or lower
stone rune
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rustic vale
I’m trying to think of how
You’d
Even accomodate for reaction time without leaving ~50% of people of people with a super easy minigame
or
“Super easy”
I need to
Stop with the
This is what the word hubris was made for 
gentle venture
I mean either way
my main point was if I have perfect reaction time, then I should be rewarded with the best possible reward as opposed to a chance at one, yknow?
stone rune
it doesnt need to be perfect
the game is literally an rng roguelite
theres gonna be some rng
im good enough to sub5 but i dont get one every single run
gentle venture
it’s a 30 millisecond difference between perfect and “nah, you suck”
thats not a lot of wiggle room
rustic vale
It would be better if the game could accomodate for your reaction time on fishing ig but
I can’t see just guaranteeing the best reward being the best possible course of action here
gentle venture
Like we have god mode why not like
Easy fishing mode
Like i said, I wouldn’t care if it weren’t for the codex
stone rune
it’s a 30 millisecond difference between perfect and “nah, you suck”
what
it's a 341 millisecond difference
gentle venture
.34 is a perfect catch
.68 is a regular
after .68 is failure
oh i forgot the hundreds plave
fervent radish
idk there's a mod
gentle venture
i’m on console 
fervent radish
oh right rip
rustic vale
i’m on console <:zagcry:1012805268519780352>
Can’t experience the joy of sbeve
gentle venture
And many others
The amount of UI stuff ive seen just in this server that i cant have
rustic vale
wdym by ui stuff
gentle venture
like the cute chibi heads in the corners and stuff
i’d assume its what boons you have?
rustic vale
oh the speedrun modpack
fervent radish
nah, that's the hash
gentle venture
hm?
gentle venture
and you lost me
rustic vale
It’s not which gods you have
gentle venture
wait like minecraft
latent moon
like the cute chibi heads in the corners and stuff
That just shows what ruleset you're on for the modpack
gentle venture
Ohhh
latent moon
Proves modded legality
rustic vale
yeaah that’s
latent moon
The UI stuff is more of like
The chamber number is always on screen during the run lol
gentle venture
I thought maybe it wouldve been like dead cells where people could try and run the exact same generated worldset
rustic vale
I mean
latent moon
Nah you gotta do more funky stuff to do that in hades
gentle venture
speaking of ui stuff, how do i get the decorated clear screen and all that
rustic vale
speaking of ui stuff, how do i get the decorated clear screen and all that
Get all your work orders
Then you’ll be able to buy those aesthetic victory sceeens
gentle venture
Thats just the contractors first page, right
rustic vale
mint coral
Yeah
gentle venture
That’s the one I want
latent moon
Why are there so many circles
rustic vale
Red was what you want and blue was what’s needed to get what you want
gentle venture
God that first page is way too many diamonds though
rustic vale
Eventually it’s liek what can I spend my dismodns on
gentle venture
I’m in the opposite rn
latent moon
Red was what you want and blue was what’s needed to get what you want
Oh lmao
gentle venture
like “how do i get em without doing more stuff
rustic vale
I’m in the opposite rn
Along with everything but darkness
I’m currently like
In desperate need of darkness
gentle venture
Resource guy?
rustic vale
Uh
I get to have Unseen One on my victory screens
That’s a pretty ultimate reward
mint coral
You know
I wonder if whatever ranks exists for hades 2 will be worse lmao
Either numbers wise or ability to farm
gentle venture
*love that track, have yet to hear it in game*
Speaking of which i really wish the asphodel version of in the blood were on the soundtrack
I LOVE the soundtrack, but i wish every version of every song were in
Like how some situations mute certain parts of the tracks and stuff
mint coral
A side B album with the variations sounds cool
mint coral
Transistor had the extended ver for the hummed songs
mint coral
And pyre has the acoustic version/the dif verses of 1 song as different albums too
mint coral
My best shot at finally getting spear 32
...you don't have spear 32?
rustic vale
Oh and the game
rustic vale
...you don't have spear 32?
I have bow 40 and spear 20
I literally have a skill issue with spear
mint coral
Actually surprised
gentle venture
I have yet to do anything with guan yu
fervent radish
could also do heart rend achilles
rustic vale
Actually surprised
stone rune
if u want uc an get ddash
fervent radish
or something
rustic vale
That was my most recent victory
I had an easier time with spreadfire shackle zga rail
Then 20 attempts at achilles
stone rune
with flurry and ddash its basically impossible to die on achilles
rustic vale
Nuh uh you don’t even know the half of it
I have so many deaths with achilles recently
gentle venture
I think it would be cool if achilles actually looked like
I don’t know
His render’s spear?
mint coral
What about gy cskewer
latent moon
Hear me out
Using shackle and not having acorn for dad fight and heroes might not be a good idea lmao
mint coral
Do crystal beam achilles :croven:
latent moon
True
rustic vale
Actually
latent moon
Just win tbh
rustic vale
The closest attempt was recent
With gy
I had no damage
And maanged to get dad to
25% on phase 2
By 19:47
With no damage
gentle venture
Can someone explain how to use guan yu if i havent upgraded it at all
rustic vale
It was actually pathetic how much my
rustic vale
Can someone explain how to use guan yu if i havent upgraded it at all
Same as if you have upgraded it fully
Just special
rustic vale
It was actually pathetic how much my
How little damage this build had
rustic vale
just
gentle venture
more tbh, i suck
rustic vale
Special
And stay
Away
it’s like hestia but weird
You get aoe
and range
Oh goodness
Can’t wait for
Unshakable mettle
Thank you pso and athena for showing up
proven lichen
I've been playing on fo2 for so long at this point that now I'm watching regular fresh file lets plays and the enemies are literally in slow motion
gentle venture
What God should I shove up this thing?
rustic vale
What God should I shove up this thing?
Aphrodite special
gentle venture
I tend to play it safe and go Dionysis
proven lichen
I feel like I'm going completely insane cause I feel like I'm going insane waiting for the enemies to spawn lmao
rustic vale
I tend to play it safe and go Dionysis
It’s gy special
It’s big base damage
You want big +% special
Dio goes on fast thhings
gentle venture
aight bet
gentle venture
Might spend some blood to upgrade it a bit but i think i’ll finally try it later tonight
rustic vale
I’m already outdpsing my best gy attempt
stone rune
its fine at low levels
fervent radish
Like 20 health
gentle venture
even with thick skin i think its like 40
stone rune
you have enough health
gentle venture
or 30?
stone rune
40 is plenty enough
gentle venture
i use stubborn
rustic vale
What do you think 1 stubborn defiance
fervent radish
That’s still not a lot of health
rustic vale
Is for
rustic vale
*i use stubborn*
Then you are finee
gentle venture
so i can afford to be more bad
rustic vale
you get free hits every
fervent radish
Stop being condescending
gentle venture
That’s still not a lot of health
Yeah
stone rune
are u really getting hit more than like 4 times a chamber tho
fervent radish
It’s not great to have 40 health on an unfamiliar aspect
gentle venture
are u really getting hit more than like 4 times a chamber tho
bold of you to assume its not more than that
fervent radish
Wait with 40 health it’s already lvl 4 right
gentle venture
its a long stick what can it do
stone rune
heres how i play gy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB7RU4yJg6Q
its shrimple aspect
press q
fervent radish
Oh
rustic vale
I think
gentle venture
And as far as I know, I haven’t upgraded it at all
I’m not on right now, so I’ll have to check later
stone rune
if you get 40 hp its upgraded
fervent radish
Oh that’s rough then
rustic vale
Starting max hp at max is 50
with
Tough skin
And so
If you staryed with
40
It’s 2 levels off
gentle venture
I was saying 40 as a guess I have no idea how much i have with it
rustic vale
my last stand though
gentle venture
I’ll have to check
latent moon
I was saying 40 as a guess I have no idea how much i have with it
You start off with 25 if you have thick skin iirc lol
stone rune
it's -70% at lvl1
stone rune
so30 hp
gentle venture
Maybe I shouldn’t use that
fervent radish
yeah but you also get hc
gentle venture
arent there attacks that DO more than 25 damage?
rustic vale
Purple haste or reroll for 2 rerrols
latent moon
Not in normal rooms
fervent radish
with HL and BP maybe
rustic vale
HL will do that to you
latent moon
Hl and BP yes
fervent radish
also with PL
fervent radish
uh
stone rune
i roll
latent moon
Guan Yu right
rustic vale
Yeah
latent moon
yeah roll
gentle venture
damn
so maybe i should practice it with zero heat so i dont have to worry about any modifiers killing me right away
rustic vale
greatest reflex
latent moon
yeah probably
rustic vale
We take that
latent moon
easy
rustic vale
Hmmmmm
Ew
Tempest flourish floodshot or bp when I’m playing shackle
Boiling point on gy
Wait
Bp on gy
stone rune
vboiling point
rustic vale
gentle venture
I also dont love that it worsens centaur stuff
It’ll be bad enough with its regular reduction
rustic vale
I also dont love that it worsens centaur stuff
I mean
Otherwise it would just be high confidence 2
stone rune
if it didnt it would be completely free
rustic vale
…no
stone rune
the great thing is that u can improve
rustic vale
Uh
If I take true shot
That’s like downgrading from shackle
So
I think it may be ok to take it for a shackle run
That’s how I’m going to justify it
Ethically dubious on that one thougg
no shot
I’m about to have the cleanest Lernie jn 30 attempts with spear
Thanks purple greatest reflex and cskewer and ddssh
And shackle
touch of styx or
Yarn
Yarn
mint coral
What would you get from yarn
mint coral
Purple flourish for the funny
mint coral
Lmaooo
rustic vale
quick recover on lc4?
mint coral
Quick recover kinda goated ngl
rustic vale
Does that even
mint coral
Yeah it works
rustic vale
Quick recover on HL5 LC4 GY
Wait I have purple greatest reflex
Maybe quick recover is the play
Huh
98 max hp so
Clearly I take dem over a heart
ItMs only elsyium
What could go wrong
mint coral
What is going on with your capital M
mint coral
Mine is on C lol
rustic vale
the keyboard swap
mint coral
What keyboard you use
raw herald
Hmm, hades mobile just crashed on me
gentle venture
i gotta say, unless it has something to do with my background app refresh settings that app doesnt respond well to flipping to other apps
i had to jump back in from the title screen and lost progress cuz of it sometimes
Also i wish there were a custom option for the onscreen controls
as opposed to just presets
also playing on there made me remember how slow the beginning of the game can feel
or i guess more accurately
i forgot what it was like to have nothing, and on top of that how to survive with nothing
like 50 starting health without cerberus’s keepsake? gross
the single sided mirror…
the horror
No lernie? His full government name? Wack
proven lichen
fresh file lowkey harder than 32 heat fr fr?
mint coral
Tbh yeah lol
gentle venture
i mean i havent ever even TRIED 32 heat
but its not even like
hard its just like
i’m emotionally OVER all this development, i wanna just have my stuff again
With the convenience of playing on my phone
Without DOING it all
proper tusk
fresh file lowkey harder than 32 heat fr fr?
definitely
gentle venture
Like 16 keys just to unlock the fists? Limited god pool? No boon tracker?
proven lichen
for sure harder than 32 heat. hard to say at what heat level it becomes harder than ff
proper tusk
nah
gentle venture
for my terrible skill anyway
proper tusk
maybe like 5-10
proven lichen
I mean I guess the levels at which you have to take ap/ri
proper tusk
once you get a few god keepsakes, hammers become available, you get a second dash and a death defiance or 2
gentle venture
Until thick skin is fully upgraded I might as well not play
proper tusk
you’re good to go
gentle venture
Hell no I want the green side of the mirror I need stubborn
mint coral
Krill issue
gentle venture
hell i barely enjoyed the bow until i had rana
nah not even it just wasnt fun, ignoring difficulty
void vigil
wth zag bow slander
gentle venture
Until I had Rama, I used chiron
working? To hit my shots? Nah
Gotta get some homing stuff
gentle venture
wth zag bow slander
I’ll slander most of the default aspects
mint coral
Zag bow is good
gentle venture
they’re just so vanilla it hurts
mint coral
I'll accept calling it boring tho
fervent radish
Zagbow nice dps
gentle venture
and being stuck with them until a certain point, made all of the others that much more enticing
except zag rail, I can understand that one
That’s a lot of ammo
mint coral
Yeah spread fire is a fun niche
fervent radish
Yeah
gentle venture
what does zag fist even do again?
fervent radish
what does zag fist even do again?
15% dodge
gentle venture
thats it?
proper tusk
zag aspects are not very good
gentle venture
thats kinda gross
proper tusk
thats why theyre zag aspects that cost 5 titan blood to max
mint coral
And so they just removed it lmao
The good zag aspects are the top 3 weapons anyways lmfao
Bow/shield/rail
gentle venture
rail
latent moon
Probably
gentle venture
i mean at least at face value
fervent radish
Yeah
gentle venture
cuz like there’s reasons to pick 24 ammo over other effects, but the other zags are just side/downgrades
fervent radish
18, not 24
mint coral
That's with spread
mint coral
Yeah zag rail is +12
fervent radish
That’s a lot
mint coral
W/o spread it feels kinda weird having that much ammo
I just reload manually during spawns anyways
latent moon
cuz like there’s reasons to pick 24 ammo over other effects, but the other zags ...
Built in crit rate kinda strong
Zag shield is only good bc it's a shield really tbh the extra base 15 doesn't do that much
mint coral
It should've worked on rush too smh
latent moon
zag shield is more of a side grade, zag bow is a pretty massive upgrade
mint coral
Lmao yeah
latent moon
95 base power cshot would go insane
latent moon
sounds about right
the amount of standing cshots i did in my 53 is amazing
bow could never
20% swift strike goes hard
mint coral
I took swift strike so many times during my zag shield 50 attempts
Is legit a fun boon for it
latent moon
def viable
tbh idk if it's higher or lower dps than hitting the dash strike and cshot on the enemy
but spamming standing cshots is safer
gentle venture
I think the bow is the last weapon i beat the game with
I think it took me unlocking rama to actually beat it
rustic vale
Best zag aspect?
Bow, rail
Rail lets you do spreadfire funnies
Zag bow is just strong
It’s not so strong compared to hera and rama but it’s still a strong effect
gentle venture
I totally understand that it fits into the same category as beo and should therefore be just as good but i cant get behind hera
I don’t know why, i’d rather just have my regular casts when im using a bow
latent moon
hera is just worse beo
latent moon
cshot moment
but also why would you want regular casts on bow
cast isn't your main dps on normal bows
they just exist for boiling blood
rustic vale
Like
Hera is literally
Add casts as free base damage
To your attacks
For no time cost
gentle venture
I think its mostly like the versions of the boons you get for it
i just prefer the throwable versions for most of em
maybe i’ll have to try it out a bit more
i will say, for a long time i was really stupid with casts in general
I thought a bunch of them didn’t do the going into enemies thing
but the only ones that dont are dio, dem, and ares… i think?
latent moon
yeah