Set an alert for hour 45 and if you can’t wake up set a backup alert for 45
#h1-discussion
void vigil
void vigil
I got it off sale to scratch some card game itch but I’m bad
stone rune
if i get good i know i’m gonna look back at whatever runs i have saved and think i was incredibly stupid
like i do with hades
i watched one of my ancient hestia speedruns recrntly
i literally just like
didn’t take aspho midshop
it was offered against a regular combat and i took the combat
on that mysterious grind
lavish sorrel
Anyheat brainrot 😌
stone rune
now i have learned enough to reset zeus for 200 hours and have 0 good runs
maiden narwhal
how do i paste media links from discord on pc?
the right click only prompts for message link
anyway would you roll for cast or get rid of rupture?
upper wolf
I'd roll once I think
also it's weird to go for 31 heat
heightened security is right there :p
rose roost
i'd just sell shoals and put poms in dash
maiden narwhal
~~heightened security is right there :p~~
i did ask if there was much of a difference between 31 and 32, and was told no
when do you stop pomming aphro attack?
rose roost
hs security a pretty big difference
maiden narwhal
should i go 5 to 6?
maiden narwhal
hs security a pretty big difference
well yes. but i will pick em4 over that
so
it's a nonstarter
rose roost
when do you stop pomming aphro attack?
i dunno the exact math but 4 or 5 feels enough
rose roost
but def pom the dash
maiden narwhal
i am
and i put one into pp to take it from rare to epic
idk if that was a waste tho
i can't believe i got cshot on zagshield
i can't believe that was the best thing on offer
i literally switched to zag shield because i couldn't learn cshot and now i'm stuck with it again
rose roost
why not charged shot?
maiden narwhal
why not charged shot?
i suck with it
rose roost
ic
maiden narwhal
i want to run around hitting stuff
lavish sorrel
Cshot scary, it removes bullrush iframes :[
maiden narwhal
i can't play charge weapons
at all
no hold only tap
even bow i play completely wrong because i dash strike but don't charge
you guys get dash strike power shot
the difference in damage is enormous
rose roost
if you are at close range you don't need to "charge" chsot
just hold for it to activate and release
maiden narwhal
yeah that hold breaks my flow because i have to stop moving to do it
so then i get hit
i mean i get hit anyway
but with cshot i get hit when i don't want to or expect to get hit
i tried a bunch to learn it but then just gave up and avoided it
explosive is nice for zeus shield
and pulv is perfect for zag
pulv and wallop if i can get them both
idk why not artemis on dash if dash strike is my opener
why is tidal better?
rose roost
big and continuos dmg
scales better with rd and breaking wave
solves aoe issues for skulls and chariots
and a styx problem solver
also bcuz of charge shot your dash-strike aren't that imp
maiden narwhal
ah no i meant in general, i didn't have cshot the run i was told to not arty dash
and tdash instead
lavish sorrel
Damage in this game is additive so arty dash will do less than you think
maiden narwhal
i love poseidon boons so i'm all for tdash. i was just wondering about if my main damage is coming from dash strike, isn't arty dash better
also, my attack seems to be doing more damage than cshot
rose roost
and tdash instead
in general all te above things i mentioned lol
maiden narwhal
is cshot critting or is it flat?
maiden narwhal
Damage in this game is additive so arty dash will do less than you think
got it
lavish sorrel
Poseidon meanwhile is both a tartarus and styx solution on its own so is often preferred
maiden narwhal
in general all te above things i mentioned lol
lmao yep. i wasn't repeating the question
rose roost
cshot is 80 base dmg compared to dash-strike which is like 15?
maiden narwhal
i'm doing 94 attack i think
if i'm understanding those numbers that flash up right
i'll check again hang on
lavish sorrel
cshot is 80 base dmg compared to dash-strike which is like 15?
Zagshield adds attack and ds damage
maiden narwhal
97 in white
94 in blue
i'm definitely doing more damage with dash strike than cshot
lavish sorrel
Zagshield adds attack and ds damage
(But cshot is still optimal)
maiden narwhal
yes i know cshot is optimal and best hammer and that's unequivocal
i just hate it
it's only good for solo target or bosses
in my hands
lavish sorrel
Min-charged bullrushes kinda annoying 
maiden narwhal
yeah it's got no flow
i feel
even zag bow feels better
because at least it draws faster
lavish sorrel
It's not that it's got no flow to me, it just hurts my hands :[
maiden narwhal
haha
yeah the carpal tunnel in this game is real
boss fights especially
i seriously have to press pause sometimes
to give them a break
lavish sorrel
Gilgamesh is so based 😌
stiff obsidian
remove the 'se'
maiden narwhal
idk why i loved them so much years ago did they get reworked?
lavish sorrel
remove the 'se'
True, but with "se" the statement is equally true
maiden narwhal
because after 32 heat with zeus shield gilgamesh felt terrible
rose roost
u finally realized it's bad
maiden narwhal
it was the beloved
i'm telling you
i got better at playing and ruined the game for me
styx with no cast and no call is not a fun time
looolol my attack is doing 90s
cshot is doing 194
it's not flat 80 at all
well it's good for rats, i guess.
who nicely file up in a line and come at you
rose roost
it's base dmg is 80 and is getting boosted by your boon
maiden narwhal
customs took my cast and styx took my patty
what a waste of a run
UNLESS I KILL PAPA
pressure points from 2 to 5, or flood shot from 1 to 4?
i can't remember what bananas said about poseidon cast scaling
it needs to be stickied
or stapled to my forehead
72 to 151 p big
lol gg td3 15 seconds to kill dad
his stupid death animation takes that long
ima stand there and die in front of cerbie so he feels bad
aw he didn't care
i was hoping for an easter egg
stiff obsidian
how do you take 5 mins in styx
maiden narwhal
no cast and no call
stiff obsidian
beowulf?
maiden narwhal
zag shield
also being on my phone and forgetting to pause lol
but not that often
mostly i couldn't kill them fast enough
especially armoured rats and all boss rooms
hallow fern
guys what makes athena good
barren bridge
guys what makes athena good
her dash aid and extra dds
mint coral
Massive safety basically
hallow fern
apart from divine dash
mint coral
flash fire ?
Sure
barren bridge
It kinda is just divine dash lol
aid is really good tho too
mint coral
Her call is neat yeah
hallow fern
i feel like athena boons are pretty bad exept divine dash?
mint coral
It kinda is just divine dash lol
Attack/special can be used instead of like aphro atj if it's epic rarity
But not bc it's better but bc aphro atk common also kinda sad
Or high heat where ap2 is in play
barren bridge
i feel like athena boons are pretty bad exept divine dash?
no aid is good and she kinda saves you with dds
and have good ares dou
mint coral
Dd boons pick up the biche for high heat too
hallow fern
why do people like aphrodite?
mint coral
As it kets you get 2 dds along with stubborn
hallow fern
is it just because of high flat dmg
mint coral
why do people like aphrodite?
Highest % on attack/special
hallow fern
oh
barren bridge
why do people like aphrodite?
high damage on attack special and good duos
hallow fern
goddess of love specialising in raw power 🤦♂️
hallow fern
in terms of raw power, poseidon is just a bit less
barren bridge
in terms of raw power, poseidon is just a bit less
knockback is not that good
mint coral
Hera phalanx is fun til your cast goes out of bounds
mint coral
in terms of raw power, poseidon is just a bit less
Poseidon has the lowest % attack
hallow fern
flourish
mint coral
2nd highest special tho lol
hallow fern
oops
mint coral
Idk why his special is so high but also yeah
barren bridge
im playing zues posiden lucifer right now on hight heat
hallow fern
demeter is just a bit lower than aphrodite in attack though
mint coral
Knockback is not that good on most specials
mint coral
Attack/special can be used instead of like aphro atj if it's epic rarity
Also applies to dem ^ yeah
hallow fern
stygian blade doesnt really click with me
mint coral
Sword stinky
last veldt
I do wonder if sword is one of these things that works for keyboard/mouse but not so well for controller. It seems rather polarizing.
hallow fern
I do wonder if sword is one of these things that works for keyboard/mouse but no...
i alternate
sometimes keyboard sometimes controller
last veldt
Ohh, interesting. Do you feel there's a difference in how things play?
I've only ever played controller (PS4) so have no insight into kbm.
hallow fern
Ohh, interesting. Do you feel there's a difference in how things play?
definitely
controller feels better for weapons that rely on dash strike spamming because you can get your finger on attack and dash at the same time and mash
mint coral
Well, guess what sword does
rustic vale
controller feels better for weapons that rely on dash strike spamming because yo...
that's sword
but
sword just feels wrong on controller
I can't place it
hallow fern
sword just feels wrong for me
rustic vale
but I've gotten the same consensus from other controller players
it's a dash strike weapon so that definitely isn't the issue
(just like every other weapon in the game)
Lucifer is the only non-dash-strike weapon because it literally can't
rustic vale
more like why choose it over spear
hallow fern
you dont like gauntlets?
hallow fern
how do you send media in this channel
mint coral
Send to another discord > copy img link
rustic vale
send a link
mint coral
Or use imgur
rustic vale
hallow fern
damnn
rustic vale
mine... isn't
hallow fern
well rounded
my second gauntlets clear was with gilgamesh and somehow my best time though?
mint coral
Sub 10 of all time
last veldt
Gilgamesh is such a mixed bag for me. On the right run it's just a monster, but other times it just seems soggy. Something about needing to manage putting maim into multiple targets rather than just finishing them off one at a time.
last veldt
I can't place it
Same. I mean I don't play kbm, but all the people I know who adore Sword are kbm players. It just never clicked for me (other than Arthur).
hallow fern
i do not know what i even did this run but a sub 10 happened
last veldt
Speaking of fast runs, I'm surprised I've seen people refer to Arthur as slow. Sure individual hits are, but clearing a room in 4 hits ain't.
mint coral
i do not know what i even did this run but a sub 10 happened
Could be good rooms and idk what rarity is that rd
hallow fern
poseidon attack too
mint coral
More like tidal dash
last veldt
Question: Does the act of being knocked back cause damage from Razor Shoals?
maiden narwhal
Same. I mean I don't play kbm, but all the people I know who adore Sword are kbm...
sword is the only one where dash strike goes diagonally it's lovely
mint coral
Iirc yeah
last veldt
sword is the only one where dash strike goes diagonally it's lovely
Wait, what do you mean by that?
I mean bow dash strike goes wherever you want, doesn't it?
Or do you mean diagonally "in 3D"
rustic vale
sword is the only one where dash strike goes diagonally it's lovely
Every weapon can diagonally dstrike
rustic vale
maybe it's more noticeable for me with sword
Idk
I thunk sword just feels directional because it’s such a thin strike
upper wolf
I find it funny how Tisiphone is a pushover when she's the main boss, but destroys you when she's support
hallow fern
aspect of hera goes crazy
upper wolf
it does
stiff obsidian
crazy?
elder elm
do call boons deactivate shattered shackle buffs?
mint coral
No
Only deactivates for the slot it has a boon in(so if you take a cast, you still have attack/special)
lavish sorrel
no, you don't even have a call to begin with. your non-existent call is buffed, the moment you pick up a call said call is no longer buffed. no other cores are affected if a given core is filled.
same goes for dash: since Zagreus' dash does no damage by default, there is no shackle-related downside to filling it
elder elm
👍
never have used shattered shackle before
always thought that if cast/attack/special of any/either was picked even just once, all 3 buffs are completely negated
nice to note that only the one of the 3 you choose is cancelled
lavish sorrel
always thought that if cast/attack/special of any/either was picked even just on...
common misconception, makes sense 
upper wolf
also makes shackle much better
You can use shackle for attack and still use boons on your other slots
brisk trail
Hades is coming to mobile on the 20th
I will finally have the ability to chat here
dry flame
iOS only
dry flame
i platinum on pc w
rustic vale
never have used shattered shackle before
desert tundra
Who is Shackle and why are they shattered
elder elm
<:zagpls:1012805274261799032>
its the last artifact for me to 3* 😅
carmine beacon
Who is Shackle and why are they shattered
They angered whippy.
desert tundra
mint coral
Will it come to android also?
nah
maiden narwhal
i think I like the shield https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1214625234146168832/image.png?ex=65f9cae6&is=65e755e6&hm=d9c067eb78b62eafbd9adc9fd7b0c6f1ce240d4f445b41920ab47770b4f86597&
maiden narwhal
you can dash strike into cshot without letting go of attack
that makes things slightly better
brisk trail
Will it come to android also?
Sadly no
And I don’t know why it isn’t coming to Android
Justice for Android 😔✊
maiden narwhal
is explosive better than flurry on eris?
last veldt
iPhone is a single platform where the ability to tune and perfect a game once means it will work everywhere. Android is software run on dozens of models of phones with wildly varying hardware. You could spend years tuning it and still have it be a bad experience on lots of devices.
Also, Apple's latest chip set (their M series RISC chip) is an amazingly fast chip compared to most Android phones and can run this without wrecking the battery.
mint coral
is explosive better than flurry on eris?
both are kinda eh
last veldt
I mean they got Death Stranding to run on the iPhone ...
stiff obsidian
is explosive better than flurry on eris?
explosive is a self nerf never take it
maiden narwhal
yes i get overwhelmed v quickly
so.. flurry?
explosive is so great on bow tho
maybe i'm just playing it wrong on rail
piercing? is targeting system any good?
is there a sticky somewhere on hammer tier per aspect?
piercing is nice
was it better than cluster?
maiden narwhal
it makes me blind
is this especially bad because zeus?
stiff obsidian
maiden narwhal
will hermes make the special move faster?
stiff obsidian
i cannot even see the boss
maiden narwhal
i know what you meant lol it's worse when you dash into a bunch of mobs
stiff obsidian
and this isnt even zeus, its dio attack
which i took specifically to reduce visual clutter
maiden narwhal
is there a sticky somewhere on hammer tier per aspect?
?
stiff obsidian
hammers ranked for eris?
i can try to make one but dont know how accurate itd be
dont even know where i can find the icons
maiden narwhal
hammers ranked for eris?
well for all, but for eris, yes
you can just name them, for now. i just need to know what to pick during a run
maiden narwhal
will hermes make the special move faster?
?
mint coral
will hermes make the special move faster?
if you mean swift flourish, it reduces the cooldown between specials
maiden narwhal
ah
latent moon
dont even know where i can find the icons
Tierlist maker prob has them all
Hammers ranked tho is like
Rocket and cluster top
Delta after
Then flurry I suppose
stiff obsidian
delta side by side with clockets
mint coral
Then flurry I suppose
targetting?
latent moon
Targeting is good I forgot about that lmao
stiff obsidian
latent moon
Based
remote lily
Hades on Phones is genius move.
Polished, and well done controls.
Tho, I think there is one little bad thing, our hero health is basically under our left finger when we will play 🫣
maiden narwhal
and quick recovery works with lc4?
latent moon
Yes
latent moon
Idk google hades hammer tier list it's prob somewhere there
maiden narwhal
if you mean swift flourish, it reduces the cooldown between specials
good for bow?
or.. where do you use this?
poseidon sword?
latent moon
Only good on Chiron
maiden narwhal
good for bow?
or.. where do you use this?
poseidon sword?
but here, the cast speed is slow, right?
not the time between casts
latent moon
Kinda eh on rail but not bad with clockets
Sword isn't horrible either but it's alright
Actually it's just eh all around lmao
maiden narwhal
lol yeah
latent moon
For the stuff that actually uses special it's not like bad but not outstanding
Out of all the dud Hermes it's one of the usable ones
maiden narwhal
more so than attack?
mint coral
2nd is seeking I believe
stiff obsidian
gg
stray shard
Probably not impressive but for me it is
stiff obsidian
ah
mint coral
And seems like 2nd is not rail
stiff obsidian
2nd is luci then
mint coral
Oh wait, is it flurry?
stiff obsidian
no already have flury
maiden narwhal
Probably not impressive but for me it is
in like 300 runs this file, my fastest ever is like.. 17 minutes
and other than that, nothing is under 20
so
p impressive for me also
steep condor
just took a traps +369% dmg chaos curse at the start of asphodel. why
mint coral
no already have flury
Could it be an old icon then (at least compared to the github wiki I don't see a similar one)
mint coral
Yeah
stiff obsidian
yep
maiden narwhal
just took a traps +369% dmg chaos curse at the start of asphodel. why
masochism
stiff obsidian
usually insignificant but better than nothing
lavish sorrel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1214664762944921600/e...
Wait did I miss something, why is explosive in "no" tier
Does it mess with your FO2 timings?
stiff obsidian
makes me blind
stiff obsidian
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/954394732233130024/1208136035930869900/im...
cannot even see the enemy
stiff obsidian
Same reason why I dislike dio call then
but dio call actually has an upside
maiden narwhal
isn't dio call big damage?
stiff obsidian
explosive also stuns enemies iirc which means less jolt procs
or so ive been told
maiden narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1214664762944921600/e...
you guys can tell these hammers from these thumbnails?
wow
lavish sorrel
isn't dio call big damage?
I'm not saying it's not
stiff obsidian
and the actual explosive part of it doesnt help at all
lavish sorrel
and the actual explosive part of it doesnt help at all
It sometimes does 
Rarely but surely sometimes it does
maiden narwhal
and the actual explosive part of it doesnt help at all
isn't it good on bow tho?
stiff obsidian
bow is not eris
maiden narwhal
it helps on bow because of the % damage, but not on rail?
lavish sorrel
On rail you don't get extra damage
maiden narwhal
right
stiff obsidian
its kind of a meme hammer on bow
lavish sorrel
- triple shot / twin shot do not exist on rail
lavish sorrel
its kind of a meme hammer on bow
Idkman triple explosive and twin explosive bow (other than Rama) kinda good
maiden narwhal
is twin shot better than trip?
lavish sorrel
is twin shot better than trip?
Depends what for
mint coral
Safety comfy
maiden narwhal
zag bow
lavish sorrel
Depends what for 2.0
Twin has a greater amount of good second hammers, while triple has the more powerful combinations, but you have to play up-close with it
maiden narwhal
hm
if you play upclose regardless, you should go trip over twin?
ok but
charged shot with trip is really hard?
stiff obsidian
bow x shield fusion
stiff obsidian
oh
maiden narwhal
just the pull that goes ping and does extra damage
if you dash strike with trip
and want to also do the perfect shot
is that timing even possible on max fo?
maiden narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1214664762944921600/e...
are eh in any particular order?
it's asking me to choose between ricochet and flurry
with zeus, i want ricochet maybe?
stiff obsidian
stone rune
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1214664762944921600/e...
hey btw did u know that on eris hazard iframe dash buff damage no?
maiden narwhal
hazard+athena dash disperses the damage?
stiff obsidian
you cant deflect hazard bomb afaik
stone rune
u can iframe the hazard hit
maiden narwhal
would my ricochet also pierce?
@stone rune do you know
stiff obsidian
exactly
stone rune
something has already gone wrong
maiden narwhal
all my hammer options sucked
stiff obsidian
ik the ricocheted bullet peirces
maiden narwhal
and all my hammer options now suck
stiff obsidian
hestia moment
maiden narwhal
so
stiff obsidian
if they all suck dont stress it just take anything
maiden narwhal
but i wanna finish the run
eh
td will get me anyway
i can't with td3
it's impossible
can't on zeus can't on zag shield can't on eris
and eris is my fastest aspect
maybe i should hit more things when i shoot
that would help
stiff obsidian
you turn off attack at cursor yeah
stiff obsidian
turn it off
stone rune
turn it off
stiff obsidian
its like the only reason i like eris
maiden narwhal
i tried to turn it off on shield and ended up attacking nothing in a corner
while dad was on trhe other end of the map entirely
stiff obsidian
because i dont have to use the extra 50% of brainpower that i have to for other aspects
stiff obsidian
its different with rail
stiff obsidian
yes
stiff obsidian
yea
stone rune
meanwhile rocket bomb
maiden narwhal
by heat you mean like 40+?
stone rune
i guess
stone rune
whenever ur having a struggle to clear
maiden narwhal
melee?
stone rune
u press q and it shoots
maiden narwhal
how does it buff you.....
maiden narwhal
ok
stiff obsidian
dam now i want to play
stiff obsidian
1 witch room will turn me off
maiden narwhal
MAKE HADES FUN AGAIN
i was going to switch over to pyre
trying to clear td3 with shield
maiden narwhal
1 witch room will turn me off
why everyone hate on barge?
is it just the time it takes?
it;s so much easier than couple
those two are a run ender for me
not that it's much of a run, since it's just asphodel
but whatever
stiff obsidian
why everyone hate on barge?
is it just the time it takes?
yes
maiden narwhal
still sucks to die
stiff obsidian
it;s so much easier than couple
yes
stone rune
barge sits there for 8 seconds before the combat even starts
maiden narwhal
loolol i know and then there's the dock animation
but i mean does this really affect your heat run?
stone rune
for heat its not as bad because its faster
stiff obsidian
is it
stone rune
yeah it gets faster with mm
pretty sure its like a 1waver
with the big crystal
who has like 2 hp for some reason
maiden narwhal
yeah that crystal never dies what are you saying
stone rune
idk im built diff
maiden narwhal
idk im built diff
yeah but the crystal isn't
it's not like "oh that's jazz let me undress"
latent moon
I mean meg removes most of the armor the rest of it shouldn't take long
maiden narwhal
it's not like "oh that's jazz let me undress"
unless you're building armour piercing?
do people build that way?
i always avoid it
latent moon
I mean those hammers are kinda good
Breaching cross is the best fist hammer
Apart from long knuckle for safety
maiden narwhal
right they just seem a little more restricted
latent moon
Breathing slash is solid if you don't get dedge or piercing wave
latent moon
I mean yeah but also a lot of other hammers aren't good or useful even if it makes more things different
maiden narwhal
more widely useful hammers
fervent radish
For sword?
latent moon
aren't there just better hammers?
Most of the time no
maiden narwhal
For sword?
no hammer is good for sword so
stiff obsidian
maiden narwhal
that's what turns them into ploughshares
stone rune
why do u keep playing 56
latent moon
Most of the armor piercing hammers are still good hammers bc so many other ones are bad
stiff obsidian
its fun
maiden narwhal
only way you're getting through barge crystal quickly is with armour piercing i guess
stone rune
have u tried asking nicely
stiff obsidian
ooooh
latent moon
only way you're getting through barge crystal quickly is with armour piercing i ...
Meg and a decent build should be fine
maiden narwhal
oh i forgot about summon
damage
yeah or well timed mort
even
especially if you know when they're going to spawn
latent moon
Any timed mort bc that crystal doesn't teleport
latent moon
Yeah
stiff obsidian
who is mort
maiden narwhal
Any timed mort bc that crystal doesn't teleport
and mort takes up the whole screen?
latent moon
Drops after a long delay
stone rune
mort is the bad one
latent moon
But the crystal will always get hit
maiden narwhal
so if you cast mort right you hit it immediately
stone rune
8 seconds for the enemy spawn circles to appear
latent moon
I don't think you can summon during the launch time
latent moon
You can only spawn when enemies are about to spawn in
maiden narwhal
for so many runs i tried to look for urns outside barge
it forces you on
stupid thing
maiden narwhal
You can only spawn when enemies are about to spawn in
oh that's why skelly won't drop in erebus
ok
latent moon
mort worst then
Fidi exists
maiden narwhal
is that one dusa?
stiff obsidian
Fidi exists
no it doesnt
maiden narwhal
i use skelly in erebus and styx rooms
stiff obsidian
this game uscks
maiden narwhal
they group so nicely in styx rooms
torn phoenix
this game sucks
fervent radish
Game bad indeed
latent moon
is that one dusa?
Yes
antos and skelly are like the only ones that have seen some use case
Than too but less so
maiden narwhal
i use meg and skelly
fervent radish
Fidi is actually best because she can freeze hades which prevents him from doing darkness
maiden narwhal
skelly is useless where he's most needed tho
fervent radish
Huge time save
maiden narwhal
that's annoying af
fervent radish
I did a sub 4 with it
maiden narwhal
if they rework him for hades 2 it'll be great
taunt that doesn't take your damage and cast lodges
mint coral
assuming he'll show up
fervent radish
Hades keepsake: spawn a hades
upper wolf
fidi is best because dusa cute
fervent radish
Do you have rocket
maiden narwhal
this first hammer
stone rune
cluster
fervent radish
Yeah cluster ig
maiden narwhal
thx
fervent radish
Depends on speed/safety though
stiff obsidian
delta 😩
fervent radish
Seeded to the extent that there’s both hammers
maiden narwhal
if you have only two boons, would you rare jolted, or lightening phalanx?
fervent radish
Jolted
maiden narwhal
can you get cluster and delta?
maiden narwhal
Phalanx is just ok on eris tbh
i just went cast because it was the best of the 3 on offer
maiden narwhal
Casting takes too long in this game
can't stand it unless i open with it
dash forward pos cast
or whatever. any cast
then dash strike again to get em
fervent radish
Literally just a worse tidal dash
fervent radish
can you get cluster and delta?
Yeah
maiden narwhal
that sounds like the way to go then
fervent radish
Just special when you’re reloading
Clockets also all hits at the same time lol
If you shotgun
stone rune
rocket delta would be better
fervent radish
And it’s way faster
fervent radish
Yeah
Usually rocket start on eris modded so
You don’t particularly want delta unless you’re playing 50+ ngl
maiden narwhal
need to train a whole new muscle memory, keeping the cursor on zag for cluster
maiden narwhal
feels so weird not training the cursor on the bad guys
stiff obsidian
/report
torn phoenix
I've never enjoyed delta chamber, I should give it a chance
fervent radish
Eh
torn phoenix
always just went clockets go brrr
marsh charmBOT
Request failed with status code 502
fervent radish
Wh
upper wolf
what
stone rune
its not really the boost of the burst ammo whatever
its thef act that it gives u back iframes on dash strikes
upper wolf
what the hell did you do to dyno
fervent radish
Clockets honestly wins most of the time so I wouldn’t worry about it
maiden narwhal
which god for asphodel?
fervent radish
Poseidon dash
maiden narwhal
nice
stiff obsidian
nice build
latent moon
not lightning phalanx again lmfao
maiden narwhal
not lightning phalanx again lmfao
again and again
stone rune
sell lp
maiden narwhal
nice build
thank you!
she has so much hp.. i pressed f and she melted
stone rune
uc
stiff obsidian
sell the attack and go shackle
latent moon
BASED
maiden narwhal
why not just do 32
because idk what to put and i asked if there was much difference between 31 and 32 and i was told no
i'm really just training td3 here, that's the whole point of these runs
then once i get comfy with that, i'll try 40 again, without em4
maiden narwhal
if i cant td3 i'll do hard labour
i think i can't td3 but eris no cursor is a whole new game
so now let's see
fervent radish
Your tart clear will be so much better
stiff obsidian
i think i can't td3 but eris no cursor is a whole new game
its game changing
fervent radish
Eris kinda plays the exact same from any heat to higher heat
You just can’t ram into the game as aggressively bc stuff hurts
stone rune
the thing about eris is that it sucks
latent moon
you suck
maiden narwhal
i didn't think anything could i was genuinely going to uninstall if i couldn't clear this pact with zag shield
so glad i switched to rail
and whined about missing 🤌🤌🤌
if i hadn't done that, no one would've told me to take aim at cursor off
stiff obsidian
should i sell lvl 2 common blade dash or lvl 3 epic dying lament
stone rune
is this eris
stiff obsidian
yes
latent moon
attack
stone rune
ohh true
fervent radish
Hm
stone rune
is it heat
maiden narwhal
that's a horrible choice
stiff obsidian
yea
fervent radish
Sell both and go boo less
stone rune
into aspho?\
stone rune
do u get a lot of blade dash procs
fervent radish
Dps meter moment
stiff obsidian
thats a nice mod i should use it
will help me with boon decisions a lot more
lament kind of op ill keep
fervent radish
Yeah
maiden narwhal
"here's an eye of lamia"
"no thanks i'll take this fateful twist"
"HERE'S AN EYE OF LAMIA"
stiff obsidian
since ely rooms are the only hard part of the run
gg
im going to re install btd 6
bye
latent moon
nice
stone rune
have u tried not doing that
stiff obsidian
not yet
maiden narwhal
this time
stiff obsidian
i should stick to em4 savestate practice
maiden narwhal
its game changing
now i gotta wonder
am i good at this game
or is it just eris
stiff obsidian
same
gray apex
mix of both
stone rune
eris is a debuff
latent moon
eris is one of the aspects where you can put in less effort to make it strong lol
it's less mechanical to start off with compared to like zeus
maiden narwhal
td3 first eris attempt
no more shield
feels like i am betraying the beloved
ok now for 40
maiden narwhal
felt like cheating
latent moon
Eris moment
Delta good
Also you should use pride over legacy
Duos aren't important on eris
maiden narwhal
ah thank you
if anything else stands out, please let me know
maiden narwhal
yay
this work?
is hl too high?
if i js or cp i think td3 will be impossible
even with a fat build i only had 16 seconds to spare on 31
true oak
looks fine
stiff obsidian
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879755279481339975/1214693513606860922/im...
standard 40 pact
true oak
if you're going from hl0 to hl5 it'll almost twice as hard though so gotta dodge
just don't get hit
maiden narwhal
yeah lernie just ended me
there is a learning curve to hl5
or skill floor
i don't know
i can definitely see how 40 is a gatekeeper
and 41 is significantly harder
latent moon
for you the difference btwn 40 and 41 would either be like js1 or hs lol
if it's js1 it's not that much harder
hs would be a lot harder
latent moon
yeah lernie just ended me
if you want you can take tooth into aspho bc of lernie
maiden narwhal
if it's js1 it's not that much harder
td3 will end me
maiden narwhal
ap1 is not a bad idea
ap2 is also nice
there's something about the lack of choice
latent moon
ap2 is not nice
fervent radish
yep
maiden narwhal
that is very sisyphean
fervent radish
you can just accept what happens
latent moon
ap2 decent chance you die to td
fervent radish
ap2?
fervent radish
oh
fervent radish
yeah so ap2 you might want to opt for a different weapon
fervent radish
zeus shield doesn't need much
hestia doesn't need much
though I would try modded if ap2 just bc resetting for first boon is rough on ap2
latent moon
yeah thats why i dont tell anyone to do ap2 unmodded
latent moon
rail
maiden narwhal
oh the empowered one
i could try that i'm so used to hitting r i do it with delta chamber
maiden narwhal
if you want you can take tooth into aspho bc of lernie
that would've worked she was phase 3
how sad
latent moon
that would've worked she was phase 3
ngl if you get like any % boon for the special you can just not worry about any other god in the run
fervent radish
i could try that i'm so used to hitting r i do it with delta chamber
Here’s a tip. Put reload on right click, special on shift, and then cast on alt
You want to be able to reload independently of movement
stiff obsidian
i use default binds and feel they are fine
fervent radish
I could never
maiden narwhal
I could never
same
i have special on mouse 4, cast on right click, dash on space, reload on r
fervent radish
That’s all fine yeah
fervent radish
But you have to move a finger from wasd to reload
I mean it’s just clunky to me but if it works it works ig
maiden narwhal
no i know what you mean
but i try to reload only during dashes to cancel the animation
carmine beacon
Just wondering, with some character, it seems i can't unlock new dialogues when I encounter them again. And i can't give them nectar either. Will the option somehow be unlocked naturally one day or the other or i have to do some really specific task? (like equiping e certain weapon and talk to them or stuff like that). I am not being more specific to avoid spoil or being spoil but i am kinda curious because i have 100h in and still no clue about this.
maiden narwhal
and i'm never not dashing
hence always hitting r
i will try what you suggested but moving my thumb off space for alt is going to feel weird
latent moon
Just wondering, with some character, it seems i can't unlock new dialogues when ...
everything in the game will be unlocked naturally
fervent radish
but i try to reload only during dashes to cancel the animation
Reload and then dash
latent moon
in regards to nectar, you dont really have to do anything specific
fervent radish
Idk I need review on my own hestia loop tbh lol
fervent radish
i will try what you suggested but moving my thumb off space for alt is going to ...
You’ll be mostly casting for boiling blood but if you have mb4 open you can do that
The point is to take cast off rmb so your loop is smoother
rustic vale
Just wondering, with some character, it seems i can't unlock new dialogues when ...
Equipping a certain weapon & talking to a certain npc does happen but it’s like 4 specific times and all are for a similiar purpose
If you’ve done it by now you’d know
And that’s not for giving nectar
Each npc does have a requirement to unlock their last heart(s) that you’ll often hit naturally
if you check the codex you’ll know if you’ve reached that point with a given npc
void vigil
nope
rancid axle
carmine beacon
If you’ve done it by now you’d know
If I did those specific things I would know it? So I haven't done them I guess?
This is confusing me. I thought I would most likely hit them naturally?
narrow hemlock
anyone else get a small update today
steam frequently does that, you will sometimes just get random small updates for games that havent been updated in a while. it could be anything on valve's end honestly
stone rune
short remnant
Justice for Android 😔✊
🙏🏽😪
fringe dust
steam frequently does that, you will sometimes just get random small updates for...
Ah okay thanks, just had to be sure 
stone rune
cherry new leaf jumpscare
radiant birch
Hey I'm planning to review HADES iOS on my YouTube channel, MrMacRight later this month. Is there someone here I can ask some questions about the port? Thanks 🙂
rustic vale
If I did those specific things I would know it? So I haven't done them I guess?
...
There are 4 cases where you need to talk to a specific npc with a specific weapon to get a dialogue line. They each unlock a similiar combat related ~thing
It’s not necessary for the story
Aside from that you don’t need to use specific weapons for dialogue or story progression
Have you gotten the “The Fated Saint of War” minor prophecy yet?
It’s related to that
I don’t think they’re always super straight forward, like the game won’t always explicitly tell you what they need
like say Cerbie’s for instance
It’s something you may totally get just from regular play but
You could also just never be inclined to do that
And the game never clues you in
maiden narwhal
@latent moon if i tooth asphodel, how much am i losing out on?
by not having a second god
(on eris)
i should have jolted by then
gray apex
It depends who you have in the pool
maiden narwhal
i'll force zeus for tart and avoid anything that won't go into customs
so it'll be really tight
so i'm at mercy of whatever asphodel gives me
which is fine as long as it's % on the special, right?
latent moon
yeah but pretty much
if you think you can handle lernie without tooth then that'd be ideal but if you need tooth then that's just how it be
fervent radish
What heat
latent moon
at some point you'll get good enough at lernie where you dont need the tooth as much
40 iirc
40 eris
gray apex
Unmodded high heat?
latent moon
yeah
fervent radish
I c
maiden narwhal
40 yeah
idk about high
but
i tried at 430 am and lernie got me let me try again
gray apex
It takes some practice on weps like Eris especially since you’re not consistently getting delta
gray apex
You could even die to furies
maiden narwhal
i die to furies more than i die to elysium
so there's no even about it hah
i find that fight really hard with em
bosses for me go hard easy hard eh
usually if your build is ok you can spam at dad and he'll die
and if it isn't you're probably not making it that far anyway
if i have to triple ricochet or flurry with seed hammer, which to go?
i can't remember where false put triple
probably in eh
so flurry is the one?
gray apex
Would take the triple
It’s even better if you get Rocket and it doesn’t block delta like flurry
maiden narwhal
\my damage is coming from my attack, right?
gray apex
Flurry is barely an increase
stone rune
trocket delay :widecharon3:
maiden narwhal
\my damage is coming from my attack, right?
rather my attack boosted by my special
gray apex
Yea it comes from your flat damage
maiden narwhal
so then why triple?
stone rune
because rico and flurry sux
maiden narwhal
just to fill the screen?
fervent radish
Bc rocket is just good
stone rune
on eris
gray apex
Easier to maintain the buff and again, doesn’t block delta as second hammer
fervent radish
Better than alternatives
maiden narwhal
understood
fervent radish
Oh good point
gray apex
Delta is your safest option
maiden narwhal
will restarting always give me the same seed mob?
this guy had dc and so much armour and he took longer than a whole room
stone rune
for the first like 2 rooms
maiden narwhal
damn
gray apex
doesnt it like lower your dps
It’s like same ish I think slightly higher
But not worth mentioning
hardy crown
Demeter dialogue: The heat has risen quite considerably there, is that not so? Then if my foster brother has tampered with the temperature, I’ll have to cool things off.
Who is she talking about?
maiden narwhal
who was it who suggested i put reload on right click?
and cast and special on shift and alt
i tried there's no way i have a lefthanded problem
stone rune
default binds are fine
maiden narwhal
i can't hit keys on the outside left with any dexterity
they are so not. q is horrible
but he says get reload off your movement hand
and i can see how academically that would help a lot
but i don't think i can execute
gray apex
If you have a side button it would be nicer for reload
maiden narwhal
i'm using that for special
and right click for cast
no q
only movement with my left hand
gray apex
You can swap cast and special
Usually I think having one of Special or Reload on mouse is enough
maiden narwhal
i do that sometimes depending on aspect or build but that's not the issue here. the issue is to get reload somewhere so that i don't have to take my fingers off wasd
gray apex
But ik some ppl go all in and have everything on mouse
It just depends what you’re comfortable with
maiden narwhal
so i can put reload on mouse if i ignore cast
or barely cast cast except on bosses
for lodge help
that might work
gray apex
Youre not gonna casting too often on Eris
maiden narwhal
right
gray apex
And if you do Q isn’t the worst thing ever for a one time click
maiden narwhal
i'm going to try that. put cast on shift
shift is comfortable enough
cause pinky inger
gray apex
ye could work
maiden narwhal
gg ok let me try this
gray apex
Probably gonna take some attempts, I remember when first swapping binds it felt very uncomfortable
maiden narwhal
yeah this is nice