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#h1-discussion
stiff obsidian
mint coral
:WideJazz3:
mint coral
That sounds miserable thanks to chaos
formal citrus
700 some odd runs in I've caught the chaos legendary fish once, and I'm pretty sure it was in the 600's of runs range
lavish sorrel
hades speedruns needs an "all fish" meme category
some people have done "fish file" as a meme
(start a new save and catch 1+ of each fish)
formal citrus
posideon OP
lavish sorrel
any huge catch enjoyers 
dry mauve
(start a new save and catch 1+ of each fish)
yeah that was what I was thinking
though I agree that the chaos fish would be miserable
everything else seems easy/doable
stone rune
man i played this run so bad
lavish sorrel
I've actually made a route to help with that meme cat
stiff obsidian
i was going through hades subreddit out of curiosity
stone rune
i was going through hades subreddit out of curiosity
why
stiff obsidian
mb
sleek violet
does tisiphone ever say happy?
mint coral
She says something else than murder at least
sleek violet
I feel like she's misunderstood
dry mauve
Random hypothetical question
At what heat level do you think the very best players can win consistently on (say 70-80%ish win rate average across all aspects)?
dry mauve
Obviously low heat is 100% for even less good players, and super high heats is not consistent at all for anyone. So somewhere on that scale should be a difficulty that top players can do consistently but we cant
latent moon
that are good at all aspects at least lmao
i am not good at all aspects or even weapons so i can probably do like 32 on all, but like
retrash can prob do like 50 lol
dry mauve
Like I'm not a good player and even I can do 100% win rate at low heat
Probably somewhere between 20 and 32 is where my tipping point is
Since I'm not consistent enough to win at 32 always
But farming bounties was pretty easy from what I remember
dry mauve
I'll assume 50 for top players then
I was just curious because I had a discussion with some friends on what difficulty level in hades should roughly correspond to the hardest difficulty in slay the spire
latent moon
lmao how hard is this game compared to sts
dry mauve
They're totally different games obv but the comparison was interesting to think about
rustic vale
Random hypothetical question
At what heat level do you think the very best play...
40 is the bare minimum for reslly good players I think
dry mauve
My friend got triggered by a random on reddit saying sts was too rng heavy, and not like other roguelike games like hades where you can just play better
rustic vale
Slay the spire is pretty rng heavy
dry mauve
Because obviously max difficulty hades is super rng heavy
latent moon
actually that brings up an interesting point
dry mauve
Sts is rng heavy if you're not a top player
latent moon
for sts, what's considered like a good ascension level for average players to be able to clear
rustic vale
Cuz like if I don’t get the cards, I can’t just “do more damage, or tank more hits”
dry mauve
The best players in that game win about 80% of the time
Granted that's like 10 people
But still
rustic vale
cuz as far as skill goes you can just get screwed by card rewards and lack the damage to not die no?
latent moon
reasonably speaking, the avg player can beat 32 heat or at least like 20-25
so what about sts
dry mauve
for sts, what's considered like a good ascension level for average players to be...
I think the average peak is cleared a20 once on a high roll and maybe win a small amount of the time if they were to keep trying
Similar to 32 heat hades yeah
latent moon
same
dry mauve
cuz as far as skill goes you can just get screwed by card rewards and lack the d...
There are a lot of small ways to influence your run in the game but it's far from what the average player will do
dry mauve
No, just making better decisions
The very best players are about 80% win rate on a20h with no save scumming
rustic vale
Like what’s a common thing to miss?
dry mauve
You play fights poorly
rustic vale
Am I 
for always going after elites
dry mauve
No that's correct, but you need to build your deck to take them out
Or save a potion or two
rustic vale
You play fights poorly
Will agree that there are times where I’m like “yeah I could have saved like 3 hp if I played those cards in a different order”
Sometimes it’s a bit more than 3hp
dry mauve
It's often a lot more than that
But it's hard to notice unless you know enemy attack patterns and check your draw pile to plan out potential future turns
Honestly just checking your draw pile at all is a skill casuals don't do
rustic vale
I have a basic grasp of all the elites attack patterns and a few bosses
No clue what’s going on with the armadillo things thou
First enemy that came to mind*
dry mauve
Armadillo?
rustic vale
Idk they’re like colourful fuzzy and curl up in balsl
First enemy that came to mind where I definitely don’t know their attack pattern
dry mauve
Oh the louses
It's just random between attacking and not, the green ones weaken you on nonattacking turns and the red ones buff strength
I'm pretty sure they can't do the same action 3 times in a row
Maybe not twice in a row for the non attack
rustic vale
A few bosses are like really simple
The hyper beam giant though
Idk why but he always has his hyperbeam on the worst possibly turn
rancid axle
Does Hermes count for the queens plan?
dry mauve
Idk why but he always has his hyperbeam on the worst possibly turn
It's always the same turn though...
rustic vale
Is it?
dry mauve
Yes
rustic vale
Interesting
mint coral
Does Hermes count for the queens plan?
Yes
dry mauve
That boss is also good to take a safety rest against
rancid axle
dry mauve
Because if you can live the first hyper beam the fight is often free
dry mauve
6
rustic vale
& what are like good things to focus on for each character
Because I’m definitely stumbling around in the dark there
drowsy linden
wtf an sts discussion
usually its dead cells or hk
dry mauve
If you're interested I'll dm you some more advanced stuff once I'm off work
latent moon
wtf an sts discussion
usually its dead cells or hk
tbf this game is closer to dead cells in terms of combat lmao
dry mauve
I'm from the future and this game is most similar to hades 2 by supergiant games
brisk trail
...........
covert hare
I'm from the future and this game is most similar to hades 2 by supergiant games
im from a parallel universe and this game looks similar to Zeus 2 by lametinygames
devout torrent
...........
no way is that bouldy from the hit game hades by supergiant games
drowsy linden
not its rucks from bastion
orchid raft
What's the difference between Hades ps4 and the free upgrade?
covert hare
What's the difference between Hades ps4 and the free upgrade?
Huh
orchid raft
Apparently its just a resolution update... My TV can't handle 4K soooo...
Guess ill stick with ps4 version
stone rune
unmodded rta is the worst category ever invented
they should ban unmodded from existing
how did anyone ever play the game like this
stone rune
remove the lkeaderboards
tepid light
just don't speedrun 4head
jagged hamlet
Imagine speedrunning 
lavish sorrel
ripoff kek
A ripoff that happens to be meta for two of the fresh file weapon categories ||both of which I have held WR on before 
||
(The gems help unlocks fists and rail quicker)
maiden narwhal
zag shield special should stun on impact
when do you guys stop fishing?
when you complete codex?
maiden narwhal
Until I get unseen one... Any day now...
ooh there's a hidden one in chaos that doesn't show up in codex as undiscovered until you actually find it?
maiden narwhal
oh
upper wolf
needs 250k darkness, and chaos fishes give a fair amount of darkness
maiden narwhal
aah
maiden narwhal
i definitely haven't
rustic vale
needs 250k darkness, and chaos fishes give a fair amount of darkness
❌
It’s actually 325k
upper wolf
Ah
maiden narwhal
tfw you think you're doin some matrix level dodging
and then you hear "no more acorn..."
quasi dust
tfw you think you're doin some matrix level dodging
and then you hear "no more ...
I feel this in my soul
lavish sorrel
Y'all get acorn?
quasi dust
Sometimes when I feel I'll need it
maiden narwhal
Y'all get acorn? <:bouldy:673973170792955936>
this guy runs 15 boons and broken shackle
lavish sorrel
No, I mean, "y'all have the option of acorn?"
The joke being that I have mostly run categories that either ban acorn (hitless), in which acorn is usually suboptimal (anyheat), or don't have it available at all (anything related to fresh file)
stiff obsidian
i only use acorrn
void vigil
Anyheat doesn’t use acorn?
Yeah I do god keepsake > god keepsake > and then just acorn
quasi dust
No, I mean, "y'all have the option of acorn?"
The joke being that I have mostly...
Ahh ok, I didn't know this sorry
lavish sorrel
Ahh ok, I didn't know this sorry
Fault's on me, in retrospect I worded it poorly
quasi dust
Nah it's fine
I don't go with acorn a lot tho ngl
I like to switch it up most of the time. The keepsake I mean, also depends on the heat level I'm on and such
lavish sorrel
Yeah I do god keepsake > god keepsake > and then just acorn
Ely acorn, in anyheat?
void vigil
no I don’t do heat at all
lavish sorrel
Yeah nw, I'm just not used to seeing it outside of high heat, or anyheat speedrunning on very glass cannon aspects / aspects with slow animations
stiff obsidian
high heat is the only real category
speedrunning is self imposed 😤
high heat exists in game as something you can turn on
lavish sorrel
For the record, if any of what I said offends anyone, I of course want said person to tell me so, so misunderstandings can be cleared up 
quasi dust
For the record, if any of what I said offends anyone, I of course want said pers...
Nahh you're cool. To me at least
lavish sorrel
high heat exists in game as something you can turn on
~~Fresh file exists in the game as something the player can do ~~
lavish sorrel
So, my point is that there are at least two real categories
steep condor
speedrunning is also something the game encourages by having lots of dialog around it and generally being very fast
i agree though, it's not real, i don't want to do it
lavish sorrel
"It's not real and can not hurt me" 
steep condor
finally did heat on hestia enough to no longer get bounties and have dad tell zagreus he ||has talent||... that conversation. just. funny how this game still makes me feel things after all these hundreds of hours
lavish sorrel
I probably should go back and finish up weapon bounties eventually
I'm retired from this game, damn it 
swift bison
Greetings, everyone, got a question.
I'm trying to 100% the game, and I try to keep myself interested by raising the Heat, with the endgoal, for now, being 32 Heat. Is it a decent enough strategy to raise Heat by 1 for every win up until 32 to train/prepare, or I should go straight for 32 Heat and practice there?
PS: Read pinned guides on how to beat 32 Heat already, but, once again, my main focus is not to beat 32 Heat. Just to 100% for now.
lavish sorrel
32 heat is definitely achiveable once you've grinded a few weapons to 20 heat for bounties a few times. Get someone knowledgeable to set your mirror and pact, and you should be good to go 
The better you know enemy patterns and how to play the aspect you are playing, especially on Forced Overtime 2, the easier a time you will have doing 32 heat and anything above.
stiff obsidian
at around 32 heats its like 95% decision making and 5% actual combat
lavish sorrel
at around 32 heats its like 95% decision making and 5% actual combat
(This may vary depending on aspect)
stiff obsidian
just use eris with delta chamber and jolt and you can win blindfold
lavish sorrel
just use eris with delta chamber and jolt and you can win blindfold
Asphodel, lernie, heroes, dad 
stiff obsidian
ukwim
steep condor
just use eris with delta chamber and jolt and you can win blindfold
basically once you are good enough everything is free and you don't need skill
lavish sorrel
at around 32 heats its like 95% decision making and 5% actual combat
I'll be fully honest, I think you're biased because of the amount of heat you've played
stiff obsidian
basically once you are good enough everything is free and you don't need skill
no not rly
with a good build you can cheese 32 heat even if you're bad at dodging enemy patterns
stiff obsidian
I'll be fully honest, I think you're biased because of the amount of heat you've...
ik im not bc i recently helped my friend clear 40 heat as their 10th clear (u know this) and they arent particularly good, i just told them how to build eris well
good build on good aspect you can out dps pretty much anything
lavish sorrel
Your friend might just be mechanically good
lavish sorrel
they still do not use the eris buff 50% of the time
My gameplay
stiff obsidian
maybe going fast could need some practice
but a good build fixes that too
and knowing how to set up the pact too ofc
lavish sorrel
get someone knowledgeable to set up your pact and mirror
I mentioned that in my message above
stiff obsidian
if ur in this server it is much easier
steep condor
with a good build you can cheese 32 heat even if you're bad at dodging enemy pat...
idk i feel like this is an opinion that comes alot from people who know the game well and have beaten high heat or speed run but for everyone else it's still hard so... i may be wrong but i just don't see it
stiff obsidian
well
if you kill things as they spawn
you cannot die
and most aspects have reasonably achievable builds that can do this
lavish sorrel
idk i feel like this is an opinion that comes alot from people who know the game...
Yeah this is more or less what I am saying
32 heat is by few means difficult per-se given prior knowledge of what needs to be built towards and what mirror/pact needs to be, and relative comfort in how to play an aspect. I however do believe that the better one gets at something, the more they will on average estimate that what they are doing is the norm or at least close to it. Even I myself am often guilty of this.
tawny spear
If you could do two things to the Hades UI to improve it, what would they be?
lavish sorrel
Add a "reset run and generate new starting seed" button
tawny spear
Yeah that is more like a ux
yeah
But they are still good ideas
I mean more like the HUD or during gameplay in general
steep condor
and most aspects have reasonably achievable builds that can do this
yes but you still need to know how to do this, ie not just how to make the build but how to move and attack and dodge. you need to have enough practice to do it quickly enough
there is no "kill things as they spawn" button
is there? because if there is i have been wasting a lot of time
stiff obsidian
Ngl I don't have much experience outside rail but for it u can just hold attack and dash when u feel like u have to
steep condor
ok but how do you know exactly when to dash
rail is also the easiest for me, and since i did 32 heat everything less does seem easy now. but i know it wasn't easy getting there🤷♂️
neon pasture
is there? because if there is i have been wasting a lot of time
hestia
stiff obsidian
ok but how do you know exactly when to dash
rail is also the easiest for me, an...
For 32 heat u can just spam dash whenever it's off cooldown
+dash from Hermes helps
Hm I think this is my delta chamber brain speaking
steep condor
hestia
even with hestia i can only kill a couple enemies at most at the same time, if they spawn in the right place and i manage to get in the right position at the right time
which is doable but still not something i was able to do from when i started playing
neon pasture
fair
maiden narwhal
random charon shop thingy can't give death defiance, can it?
in 125 runs, it's never happened
stiff obsidian
i did something weird
and have opened hades twice
i have 2 games open
both hades
stiff obsidian
covert hare
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1204833210588987392/t...
its my pc bad or its the video like 10 frames
stiff obsidian
The video bad
My laptop can't handle running Hades twice and recording on top of that
covert hare
My laptop can't handle running Hades twice and recording on top of that
me when i try to share my screen on a game im playing
stiff obsidian
Real
swift bison
at around 32 heats its like 95% decision making and 5% actual combat
Oh, yeah, so I heard. And apparently, after the 32 Heat is when actual "end-game" starts, where combat skill starts mattering more, correct?
swift bison
The better you know enemy patterns and how to play the aspect you are playing, e...
Alright, now I understand that my knowledge is in check, thanks for the wisdom!
maiden narwhal
Alright, now I understand that my knowledge is in check, thanks for the wisdom!
is your name sasha and do you love shawarma
HEY i equipped black shawl and why didn't my parting shot bonus increase?
that's so sad
what a waste of a keepsake
stiff obsidian
@steep condor i just recorded a 32 heat run where i basically try minimal enemy dodging, shall i share
slender sky
Dusa left the house before I could fill up all her hearts and Aphrodite's and I just learned I needed to romance all 3 romancable character to get her locked hearts....did I just lock myself out of it?
slender sky
Just rng dialogue I suppose?
slender sky
Alright, thanks...been trying to 100% the game all around
dry mauve
you dont actually need to romance them btw
just need to progress their story to the point where you get to choose whether or not to romance them
so you can reject them and still unlock aphro's heart
mint coral
Is the trigger specifically reach the dating point or getting the bond
slender sky
I got up to the dating point but not the bond, I was just missing the ambrosia gifts before she left
fervent radish
Dusa left the house before I could fill up all her hearts and Aphrodite's and I ...
afaik there's no missable stuff in the game
stiff obsidian
while im on unmodded might as well get my unmodded pb up
dry mauve
Is the trigger specifically reach the dating point or getting the bond
it might be getting the full bond
maiden narwhal
shawarma is the best food on the planet
steep condor
<@1122955993328922768> i just recorded a 32 heat run where i basically try minim...
sure, why not
void vigil
Crime and punishment and shawarma enjoyer
steep condor
i can't promise i'll watch more than a couple minutes though, i don't usually watch other people play any game, it's boring to me
stiff obsidian
well its definitely not a no dash run lmao
i just tried to intentionally not dodge a lot of attacks
stiff obsidian
unmodded sucks
maiden narwhal
i can't promise i'll watch more than a couple minutes though, i don't usually wa...
the concept of streamers is so weird to me
maiden narwhal
i just tried to intentionally not dodge a lot of attacks
did it work?
stiff obsidian
yes very easily
sd has processed but im waiting for hd to process
i can share sd version rn
stiff obsidian
no
maiden narwhal
i shall watch when hd is ready
steep condor
the concept of streamers is so weird to me
same
maiden narwhal
my god guan yu spear is enough to make me uninstall
dry mauve
just run away and press special
its not going to be very fast but its fairly straightforward
maiden narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1204857470216839189/i...
oh right, the whole run
maiden narwhal
its not going to be very fast but its fairly straightforward
awful way to play tho
dry mauve
its just a funny looking bow
maiden narwhal
hate playing that too hah
stiff obsidian
charged skewer will change your opinion
stiff obsidian
🤨
stone rune
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1204857470216839189/i...
link already exists
stiff obsidian
yes
maiden narwhal
i googled guan yu and the first hit was this guy who's like guan yu very op! let's spin! so i was like ok..
and then he draws charged skewer
so i learned nothing except that charged skewer is pretty great
which doesn't help much if you don't draw it
but then there was another video with only spins
i want to try to finish it like that
mint coral
Use your lower hp to commit resets faster and thus more changes at charged skewer
maiden narwhal
yeah i will also do charged skewer run it looks fun as hell
that's why i maxed the spear
which was v expensive
maiden narwhal
You got it, 100%
ever had them on the street in dubai?
maiden narwhal
ever had them on the street in dubai?
☝️ that is the best shawarma in the world
steep condor
is there a guide for which heat options to take when you go over 32?
swift bison
Crime and punishment and shawarma enjoyer
That much is also correct
swift bison
ever had them on the street in dubai?
Never been abroad, so, I can only imagine. Also, would rather not go off-topic. Still, good to see the like-minded people
mint coral
is there a guide for which heat options to take when you go over 32?
For 40 at least is like, max out hl5 or fo2 if you only used one of them, then add some mix of cf/js/hs/dc depending on the weapon
strong owl
whats up gamers
stone rune
hi
maiden narwhal
is 4 duos normal?
dry mauve
i mean if you try for it its possible
usually you dont since opening up so many duos means your important duo is less likely to see
steep condor
For 40 at least is like, max out hl5 or fo2 if you only used one of them, then a...
that's pretty much what i've been doing... except i added cp since it's hell mode pre req anyway but i guess it's one of the last ones you should be taking
dry mauve
but if you dont care about a specific duo and just open a bunch of them its not super rare to see 4
stiff obsidian
cp should be one of the last pacts you take
steep condor
especially with that mirror option that makes duos and legendarys appear more often
steep condor
cp should be one of the last pacts you take
yeah i thought so (after dying in tartarus / asphodel for three runs
)
dry mauve
something like this probably
https://i.imgur.com/nuQBAQw.png
can turn on damage control depending on weapon
or HS
steep condor
something like this probably
https://i.imgur.com/nuQBAQw.png
thanks
maiden narwhal
usually you dont since opening up so many duos means your important duo is less ...
i didn't try for it but i also didn't open a bunch?
first time i'm ever seeing 4 tho
dry mauve
if you got 4 duos you definitely opened a bunch by taking specific core boons
you often avoid certain cores when hunting for duos
dry mauve
to avoid opening other duos
maiden narwhal
i thought you meant a bunch of different gods
dry mauve
like if you want to find mirage shot on beowulf
you have poseidon cast
and take an artemis attack
and then you see aphrodite
if you take aphrodite special now you've opened up her duo with poseidon and artemis
which cuts your chance of seeing mirage shot in half
since when the game rolls a duo you can be offered the wrong one now
so in that case you will want to instead take a non-core boon from aphro to avoid opening up those duos
if you just take different gods on your cores without paying attention you can open up a lot of duos
and its not super unlikely to see a bunch of different ones
but if you're hunting a specific duo you often manipulate your core boons to avoid unlocking any more duos
in which case you will likely only see 1-2 duos the entire run but they will be the good ones that you want
maiden narwhal
if you just take different gods on your cores without paying attention you can o...
yeah this is what happened i guess, because i didn't really care about what i grabbed
especially once i found charged skewer
but it's weird because i've done the whatever comes build a ton, and not pulled 4 before
lavish sorrel
which cuts your chance of seeing mirage shot in half
(not quite half since you can still just get two duos rolled in one menu. but close enough. 👍)
maiden narwhal
i think it's because i purged zeus off special then put him on call
stiff obsidian
while you are here @lavish sorrel when do you recommend resetting
in frssh file
https://youtu.be/trsI4IlycnE @steep condor
stiff obsidian
ook
lavish sorrel
I never savestated much, most of my experience is from kinda just playing out horrendous runs
(though savestating is still an option if you want it)
maiden narwhal
https://youtu.be/trsI4IlycnE <@1122955993328922768>
is the the run where you don't dash?
stiff obsidian
there is no run where i dont dash
maiden narwhal
oh was that someone else then
stiff obsidian
i just tried to play like someone who doesnt know how to dodge enemies
lavish sorrel
no-dash-chilles 32
steep condor
watched some of it and i still feel like you were doing things more quickly than any beginner could. or maybe my sense of the game's difficulty is skewed by being too stubborn to turn off hell mode and the brain rot that comes with being old idk
hearty wagon
can u add arabic in game pls
stiff obsidian
watched some of it and i still feel like you were doing things more quickly than...
Could you tell me where exactly as an example
I tried my best to completely ignore enemy attacks and dash in wrong directions if I had to dash
Hell mode does add cp1 which straight up makes the game 15% harder
formal citrus
Armorer witches are mega messing up my hera runs
sterile crystal
Is the river styx drinkable
rustic vale
wouldn’t recommend it
steep condor
Could you tell me where exactly as an example
i'd have to watch it again, at some point you attacked - dashed trough the enemy- attacked... ok i checked the video again, eg on the barge of death (almost called it barge of dash here) they barely hit you if at all? (hp too small to see on my phone's screen)
steep condor
Is the river styx drinkable
you could try bathing your mortal newborn in it
is the river styx a soup?
mint coral
i'd have to watch it again, at some point you attacked - dashed trough the enemy...
Looked at it
Tbf +2 dashes and delta is kinda super safe lol
dry mauve
i think if you're newer you just mash dash in a random direction
can still dodge enemies that way if you have delta chamber
maiden narwhal
i think if you're newer you just mash dash in a random direction
new to the game doesn't mean new to gaming
dry mauve
its mostly that you dont know which direction is correct to dash in
or in the heat of the moment you can't think it through
latent moon
Wait what's the premise of this I'm confused
dry mauve
so you see an attack coming and you just mash dash
stiff obsidian
i think if you're newer you just mash dash in a random direction
That is what I tried to recreate, maybe my muscle memory just isn't allowing me lol
dry mauve
Wait what's the premise of this I'm confused
he's trying to pretend to be a less experienced player
and play through 32 heat
stiff obsidian
Wait what's the premise of this I'm confused
I said 32 heat is 90% decision making 10% combat
dry mauve
but he doesnt know how an inexperienced player plays
latent moon
Ah
stiff obsidian
So I tried to play combats horribly while making the right decisions
dry mauve
tbh its very hard to play like a new player once you have enough time in this game and are good enough
latent moon
Tbf at least half the problem is pact, mirror, and build
stiff obsidian
Like in some rooms I didn't dash at all, just stood in place
maiden narwhal
its mostly that you dont know which direction is correct to dash in
don't you hold direction key down when you dash?
dry mauve
if you're experienced at anything the rate at which you process information is a lot higher
stiff obsidian
For bosses i didn't try to dodge, just facetanked
dry mauve
don't you hold direction key down when you dash?
well you usually just end up dashing in whatever direction you're holding at the time
if you don't specifically think about where to dash
maiden narwhal
i don't think you ever specifically have to think about it, it's hand eye coordination
stiff obsidian
That comes with practice tho
maiden narwhal
you see stuff happening and you hold the right direction when you dash
stiff obsidian
Not naturally I don't think
latent moon
I said 32 heat is 90% decision making 10% combat
Tbh I don't entirely agree but not entirely against it, it's more like 75% decision making and 25% mechanical
maiden narwhal
Not naturally I don't think
maybe for some more than others
latent moon
And the mechanical stuff is mostly like using dash iframes properly
stiff obsidian
By combat I mean
Dodging
U can facetank the entire game nearly with minimal dodging
As long as u have a good build
Look at the Ely in that video, for most of the chambers I just stood in place
Unlessi. Had to chase down and enemy
maiden narwhal
but combat isn't just dodging it's making the right decisions while you're dodging
not just button mashing
latent moon
Yeah that was his whole point lol
maiden narwhal
ah ok
latent moon
If you make all the right decisions, the game is a lot easier
And you'd need less mechanical skill
maiden narwhal
i mean.. for mobs, it really is
especially once the build gets going
you don't need to think much in styx
stiff obsidian
Even for bosses atleast with delta chamber
maiden narwhal
click click dead
latent moon
I'd say it's mainly a problem for various bosses and power couple mm
stiff obsidian
Look at the meg fight, I kinda facetanked most of it
sage sphinx
The most I have to think in styx is with those shield enemies, and even then you either have piercing by then or just... Move to a different spot
maiden narwhal
Even for bosses atleast with delta chamber
me zeus shield em hades beat me like a dog ):
definitely can't button mash against hades with a melee weapon
probably not against elysium boss either
sage sphinx
I am really, really bad at FO2 dad fight lol
maiden narwhal
but yeah probably them with acorn and me
i was kinda disappointed they didn't give extreme hades a skin
but then he THREW A DOG AT ME
stiff obsidian
definitely can't button mash against hades with a melee weapon
You can definitely go crazy with fists with ME
maiden narwhal
ooh i wanna try with fists now
sage sphinx
You can definitely go crazy with fists with ME
Very true
maiden narwhal
he'll kill you tho
sage sphinx
ooh i wanna try with fists now
Oh my gosh fists are the merciful end weapon
maiden narwhal
Oh my gosh fists are the merciful end weapon
i've been doing it with [zeus] shield
sage sphinx
I haven't tried that lol
latent moon
Zeus shield ME is funky
sage sphinx
Merciful end just feels so natural on fists tho
sage sphinx
Yeah, I've been thinking about trying it on other aspects
stiff obsidian
Works on any aspect if you play them wrong enough
maiden narwhal
i would've beaten normal dad button mashing with me shield tho
it's so damn stronk
athena on the dash artemis on the special
but i didnt have enough ares boons i didn't get delay
that would've beaten him
sage sphinx
(K unrelated mini vent about how much of a skill issue I have with FO2 non-EM4 dad)
Imagine losing with this beast of a loadout:
Serrated Point and Charged Skewer guan yu
Heroic Greatest Reflex
Heroic Arty special
Athena dash and strike
Epic Chaos Dash-strike boon (+105%)
Deadly reversal
Epic Dio call with splitting headache
stiff obsidian
Happens to all of us
nimble patrol
sage sphinx
serrated point kind of scary
Lol I was stupid and took the Daedalus anvil right before so I didn't really build with that in mind. I think the extra dashes + Athena definitely compensated tho, just a skill issue lol
I also couldn't quit to reset the anvil for some reason
Weird
stiff obsidian
You mustve bought something else in the shop
stone rune
(K unrelated mini vent about how much of a skill issue I have with FO2 non-EM4 d...
serrated point
dry mauve
its just muscle memory
switching to something you're not used to throws off all your timings
maiden narwhal
was curse of drowning the right choice, with me gloves?
sage sphinx
serrated point
yeah... Each d-strike was doing like 325 damage even without crits so it was very big number, but not enough skill to manage lol
Tbh my issue was more choosing to charge special right when he was about to attack me so I was a sitting duck lol
latent moon
was curse of drowning the right choice, with me gloves?
It's fine as a secondary duo
I'd only go for it after I have ME tho
sage sphinx
Tbh I really like FO2 for everything other than Dad
maiden narwhal
It's fine as a secondary duo
flood shot wouldn't have more utility?
maiden narwhal
I'd only go for it after I have ME tho
why?
i got offered it first
latent moon
You have unshakable mettle open now
maiden narwhal
aah
latent moon
So on Athena boons you have a 50/50 shot
maiden narwhal
so diluted chances
latent moon
flood shot wouldn't have more utility?
You're in their face so they're taking a decent amount of damage around you
Flood shot has like no utility other than breaking wave in styx
And boiling blood but your build is flat damage so boiling blood isn't that useful
maiden narwhal
got it
latent moon
The only problem is like it's another pom sink but it shouldn't be that much of a problem
Your priority should still be doom and impending doom
dry mauve
yeah if you're hunting for a specific duo opening other duos really sucks
picking flood shot halves your chance of seeing ME essentially
if you're forced into poseidon early you can just take a non-core boon in order to not open the other duos
warm leaf
if i want to beat hades with no boons, do i just hope i run into one of those wells that lets me sell my boons during one of the satyr tunnels?
mint coral
ideally you take any tunnel that doesn't offer boons and hope for a 2 sack
that said, if you only want the dialogue you only need to have 0 sellable boons
so worst come to worst you can take a god that offers one and hope for that
warm leaf
well thats just great lmao
literally had to go through 4 tunnels that ended up forcing 2 boons on me and no well of purging in the end
warm leaf
yep
mint coral
rip
warm leaf
aphrodite
stiff obsidian
how many boons does each god have
stone rune
stiff obsidian
so like around 15 per
stone rune
yeah
stone rune
not sure
proper tusk
i think i just had my worst run ever
trying to speedrun with beowulf
got a common flood flare
and sweet nectar early
and then i spent all my rolls to get mirage shot, didn’t get mirage shot, and every one of the next 5 poms didn’t give flood flare as an option out of i think 5 pommable boons
make that 7 straight poms
i think im quitting speedrunning lol
stiff obsidian
bad runs happen
stone rune
and sweet nectar early
how did u get aph core
stone rune
idk if that was a good idea but
definitely not
u dont want any aph core
and especialyl call because that also ruins ur hermes odds
proper tusk
alright good to know
maiden narwhal
hey so for magnet gloves merciful ending, do you leave athena on the special, or do you find something better?
dry mauve
its very slow
stiff obsidian
but it pills them in
and gives bonus damage
i mean the boon doesnt rly affect that
dry mauve
not too bad but its not a part of the typical attack pattern
and especially if you have ME you are just dash striking and doing nothing else
maiden narwhal
i mean the boon doesnt rly affect that
ofc, but isn't there an optimal boon for it?
i was thinking heartamis
or demeter, with that hammer that adds splash
dry mauve
you need athena special to unlock ME anyways
stiff obsidian
i wouldnt worry about it, wont make much of a difference
maiden narwhal
or demeter, with that hammer that adds splash
then if i suck them in they all get chill, right?
dry mauve
you can technically sell it afterwards but ME needs a lot of boons to work optimally
latent moon
but it pills them in
and gives bonus damage
it's 50% more damage on the attack and cast, and the attack has a low base damage
and you shouldn't be casting on ME
maiden narwhal
you need athena special to unlock ME anyways
yes i've already unlocked that
dry mauve
so selling the special will decrease the odds you see the supplemental boons
like athena dash, impending doom
since you might get offered the special instead
maiden narwhal
right now i have ares on attack and athena on special and dash
dry mauve
imo afterwards its better to find supplemental secondary boons rather than try to replace the special and hunt for a second duo
its usually not enough time to do that
maiden narwhal
so is there something better for special, or does it not matter?
dry mauve
it doesnt matter
i would keep it just so finding good secondary boons from other gods is easier
maiden narwhal
it's 50% more damage on the attack and cast, and the attack has a low base damag...
ok so just ignore special completely?
latent moon
yes
latent moon
talos special is kinda just not great to begin with
dry mauve
it can be used sometimes for repositioning enemies
latent moon
there's like weird techs you can do
dry mauve
but overall its kind of slow so you dont want to press it too much
latent moon
you can pull an enemy and dash out of the special animation so that the special doesn't actually hit
dry mauve
also yeah there's some sort of weird bug with it that I never could do properly
that lets you suck up enemies without needing to go trhough the animation
yeah its the dash cancel thingy
maiden narwhal
oh that sounds sick tho
if you can master it
ok i'm going to remove special completely so i can't hit it accidentally and break the flow
let's see how that goes
dry mauve
its not as useful as it sounds tbh
latent moon
oh that sounds sick tho
talos has a lot of techs (idk any more) and it still underperforms demeter lmao
maiden narwhal
if i put dio on my special and i take the hammer with splash, when it sucks them in, it'll apply hangover to all of them, right?
dry mauve
but why would you want to do that?
it applies one stack of hangover and you could just dash strike them for a ton of damage
stone rune
if i put dio on my special and i take the hammer with splash, when it sucks them...
the pull will not apply anything
it’s only affected by global
maiden narwhal
the pull will not apply anything
is there anything for hammers in the codex?
hang on i'll just google it
latent moon
nothing for hammers
latent moon
if i put dio on my special and i take the hammer with splash, when it sucks them...
but also that's not how that works
you can only pull 1 enemy at a time
latent moon
dupper go boom
maiden narwhal
100% damage in an area
so if i'm in the middle of a pack and i use it then it'll splash
but if the mob doesn't have others close enough, it'll do.. nothing?
latent moon
oh then yeah that'd spread hangover
but also
that'd only be 1 stack lol
you'd get more damage from a % boon
latent moon
i mean sure
but also might as well just keep athena
for just damage
you dont need to inflict status curses all the time lol
maiden narwhal
i have currently just removed special completely from my controls
latent moon
welp that works too
maiden narwhal
you dont need to inflict status curses all the time lol
i only very recently switched to family favourite i was die hard ps
so yeah i kinda do
latent moon
well now that you're on fam favs then you dont have to
maiden narwhal
yep just need to remind my fingers of that
maiden narwhal
because your pc?
stiff obsidian
idk
maiden narwhal
that sounds awful
i had to rebind every time fishing spot, and often for chaos
stiff obsidian
wat
maiden narwhal
like if there's a penalty for using a core, i just take it off
maiden narwhal
and fishing, putting use on left click almost guarantees perfect catch
maiden narwhal
dont use it
cause i'm not a playa
i just mash a lot
also because.. my game doesn't freeze each time i rebind
stiff obsidian
☹️
maiden narwhal
it's 50% more damage on the attack and cast, and the attack has a low base damag...
poseidon tho?
spam it as you dash towards them?
you should have at least two out before you reach
latent moon
pos cast?
latent moon
i mean my point still stands
you shouldn't be casting for damage for ME
you can throw them out if you want but like
you shouldn't be relying on it or whatever
it's not really worth it to consider for the most part
maiden narwhal
ok like that
latent moon
you can throw the cast before you start the fight, but the special just sucks so much that there's no point in going for that too
you just throw it just to throw it
maiden narwhal
i just miss it in styx
it shaves seconds off the clear
not that i care about speed runs
but i care about speedy room clears
latent moon
oh pos cast with breaking wave is fine for styx
that's like the only time casting would be used to kill things after tart
for non-castpects
latent moon
oh for general use it's like
fine since it's a giant deflect hitbox
for an actual build
achilles and pos sword for lightning phalanx
phalanx shot is super chunky and has pretty good aoe
and adding in the bounces makes it stronger
and ofc the 150% boost on achilles
stiff obsidian
phalanx 😋
latent moon
you can get a pretty fast heroes clear with lightning phalanx
idk how much scaling you need but that duo is good there, esp at the start
it just bounces between the two of them
maiden narwhal
it just bounces between the two of them
yes i've exactly that!
the last time i was forced into it
was nice
maiden narwhal
achilles and pos sword for lightning phalanx
achilles spear you mean, yeah?
maiden narwhal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQpCPoHDtQ0&pp=ygUPenlydXZpYXMgaGVyb2Vz
loooolol
latent moon
it'd obv be budget achilles in terms of damage but hey if you got sword bounties you might as well
maiden narwhal
ok mine was nothing like that
stiff obsidian
speedrun vids always open ppls eyes to a completely new outlook to the game
latent moon
oh def
stiff obsidian
its amazing
latent moon
or just like fast boss kills
maiden narwhal
how are speedruns different?
why is the damage output so much higher?
or is it?
latent moon
i mean it's just the fact that they have much more experience with the game
stiff obsidian
just resetting for good boons and accurate decision making
latent moon
and reset for good stuff
they're just more likely to keep runs that have good builds
maiden narwhal
wym reset?
latent moon
die
maiden narwhal
ah
latent moon
change the seed
stiff obsidian
die if you dont get it
maiden narwhal
why die vs give up?
latent moon
give up keeps the same starting seed
latent moon
and that's not legal for the leaderboard
that's why every speedrun begins with a death
it proves that the run is unseeded
latent moon
manip stuff to get the specific reward you want
maiden narwhal
who tf would do that
latent moon
through legit ways
latent moon
who tf would do that
there's a 2:45 eris run which does exactly that
or something like that
for context
the wr for unseeded is 5:02
maiden narwhal
yeah but it's rubbish if it's staged that way
latent moon
i mean not really
maiden narwhal
because you still have to do the killing, sure
latent moon
iirc the early leaderboards used to be seeded and the beginning was slightly routed
also routed runs are much harder than unrouted/unseeded
maiden narwhal
every door is the same?
stiff obsidian
linking the actual run would be better but here its explained
latent moon
true
latent moon
yeah but it's rubbish if it's staged that way
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1151570092115644456/unknown.png?ex=65d632b9&is=65c3bdb9&hm=77e80eb917d56c16d913d5473b56fe75dfa14c6cbeeb42d9a9735862c5ee191d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=561&height=346
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1151570145106464798/unknown.png?ex=65d632c5&is=65c3bdc5&hm=b8d19dd44e7e6943e5458351bb8dae5ddab52f16233cf03433710463fe101eb5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1177&height=477
these are the resets people do on the routed eris run
going off route could mean the run dies
well actually def
it's only a "could" if you go off route in like styx
and you still get a 2 sack
but doing the actual route is very difficult
stiff obsidian
Seeded rta
maiden narwhal
ridiculous
maiden narwhal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0YcVRYmbVk&pp=ygUcaG93IHNwZWVkcnVubmVycyBicm9rZ...
also WHY didn't you tell me to skip 10 minutes ahead ):
seeded runners deserve to be on the leaderboard just for the sheer amount of work they put into it wow
i didn't work that hard for my bachelor's degree
do you guys.. actually play like that?
latent moon
also WHY didn't you tell me to skip 10 minutes ahead ):
Idk I haven't watched it in like months
I just know the vid does a good job explaining
latent moon
do you guys.. actually play like that?
No one does routed
maiden narwhal
it does
but it assumes you're new to the game
latent moon
Not like that at least
maiden narwhal
not just the concept of speedruns
wicked sage
i need help
maiden narwhal
No one does routed
thank god
wicked sage
should i take unshakeable mettle or rip current?
maiden narwhal
it's the bit where they then have to memorise their run, because mods aren't allowed
stiff obsidian
not just the concept of speedruns
watch the 2nd one then ig\
maiden narwhal
that's what got me
latent moon
thank god
Well there's been a different routed thing a couple people are doing but it's not leaderboard legal, it's just fun
latent moon
should i take unshakeable mettle or rip current?
Rip current prob
wicked sage
thx
maiden narwhal
watch the 2nd one then ig\
the first one explained it fine.. after the 10 minutes mark
i'm just saying the video could have been 3 minutes long, instead of 13
maiden narwhal
yeah i will
latent moon
Haelian also explains it a bit too
maiden narwhal
although reaction vids are some of my least favourite things
"i'm not a player, i just mash a lot"
is anyone here old enough to get that reference?
because i thought it was pretty good
https://youtu.be/BH10tiCbEB4?si=pZfN9NuvsPcgYUFV
this will help
maiden narwhal
talos has a lot of techs (idk any more) and it still underperforms demeter lmao
so.. for m.e. gloves, zag aspect is best?
stiff obsidian
Demeter
autumn rose
Demeter will be better up until u get me
When u have it ur essentially ignoring the special tho
maiden narwhal
When u have it ur essentially ignoring the special tho
if nothing matters can't i just go zagreus?
maiden narwhal
talos has a lot of techs (idk any more) and it still underperforms demeter lmao
because when he said this i took it to mean demeter is the worst; so i maxed zag...
maiden narwhal
demeter gloves feel weird
upper wolf
if nothing matters can't i just go zagreus?
It doesn't matter after you get ME. Unless you somehow get ME in the first chamber, that's a pretty big distinction
brisk trail
...........
tepid light
It doesn't matter **after you get ME**. Unless you somehow get ME in the first c...
which you can achieve if you pay Supergiant $1000
rustic vale
When u have it ur essentially ignoring the special tho
Not really
Optimal fists dps rotation dash specials after every dash strike combo
rustic vale
if nothing matters can't i just go zagreus?
Because of the reasons above, you should still end up specialing ^. + just having a 210-240 base damage option that gets athena +% and any chaos special and dash strike boosts is pretty sweet even when you have ME
maiden narwhal
if the game didn't treat skellie like an enemy, he would be op
taunt is the tits
but in its current form he's absolutely useless
i am so bad with demeter gloves
i keep gigapunching the wall
take that, pillar!
aim assist needs to kick in there
dry mauve
you can damage him too but he takes a lot less damage from you iirc
still pretty bad since he does no damage
latent moon
if the game didn't treat skellie like an enemy, he would be op
i mean idk about op but he'd be better ofc
other summons provide more immediate value
dry mauve
its mostly just the ability to nuke miniboss rooms
latent moon
that too
dry mauve
playing on a new file i realize that a lot of the miniboss rooms are kind of a slog without summons
maiden narwhal
other summons provide more immediate value
is there more value to burst damage from battie, than say 5 seconds of uninterrupted damage by you?
latent moon
playing on a new file i realize that a lot of the miniboss rooms are kind of a s...
oh yeah def
dry mauve
but with a summon you just press a button and the room is over quickly
and you also get a better reward for the room
its a huge difference
latent moon
is there more value to burst damage from battie, than say 5 seconds of uninterru...
considering some of the minibosses, immediate damage is just better
maiden narwhal
and you also get a better reward for the room
the faster the clear, the better the reward?
dry mauve
no, miniboss rooms have a better reward
but are supposed to be harder
but they're actually arguably easier than a normal room if you burn a meg charge
upper wolf
skelly scales better, but it's not worth how good battie is in earlier biomes
I'd say battie falls off by styx
dry mauve
since miniboss rooms are usually 1-2 high hp enemies
upper wolf
Skelly probably is good by heroes ?
latent moon
sneak, power couple, witches circle, butterfly ball, and dad are all better with battie
upper wolf
I feel like dad, especially EM4, might be a worthy use case for skelly summon
maiden narwhal
skelly dies too quickly to non em dad
latent moon
rib is better (or at least useful) for non-mm barge, battie is better on mm barge
upper wolf
skelly dies too quickly to non em dad
Ah, might be. I defer to your judgement, because I don't think I ever used rib in Hades fight
latent moon
inferno bombers kinda depends on whether or not you can shred the armor fast enough, but at that point battie is just better lmao
maiden narwhal
Ah, might be. I defer to your judgement, because I don't think I ever used rib i...
the problem is he also takes the splash damage you're dealing to dad
he p much melts
latent moon
idk how doomstone would work with rib lmao
dry mauve
i think rib barely does anything vs doomstone
like it technically attacks by sometimes shooting a laser at you
but that laser is in 8 directions so even if it shoots the laser at skelly it might still hit you
latent moon
if you want to use rib to distract so that you can kill minibosses, then just use battie lmao
dry mauve
also doomstone just doesnt do anything meaningful half the time
latent moon
the problem with doomstone is that the armor takes forever to get rid of lmao
maiden narwhal
if you want to use rib to distract so that you can kill minibosses, then just us...
can't battie miss tho?
dry mauve
there are setups that you have to learn to make battie hit
dry mauve
but its technically the best one when you learn the setups
dry mauve
idk i just used antos since i never played super high heats
i know its technically worse
but its still okay and much easier to use
latent moon
the only ones you might miss are sneak, inferno bombers, and the thwomp in the power couple
upper wolf
yeah I used antos for a while too
upper wolf
It also have a niche use case in helping you out against furies if your tartarus sucked but you can still scale well later
dry mauve
the only ones you might miss are sneak, inferno bombers, and the thwomp in the p...
is this meg or antos?
latent moon
meg
dry mauve
i think witches is a hard setup if you dont know it
maiden narwhal
https://clips.twitch.tv/SwissSavoryLyrebirdNerfRedBlaster-GGBSrwOcIKUDGsTo
looolol
upper wolf
sneak is very consistent with the setup
latent moon
i mean yeah but once you know it you should hit it pretty consistently
sneak isn't that bad but it depends on your reaction speed
upper wolf
isn't it always the same timing ?
latent moon
you have to wait for the instance it reappears
you have like a decent window but if you miss it then you just whiff
upper wolf
Oh, didn't know it could take different times for him to reappear
latent moon
Oh, didn't know it could take different times for him to reappear
it's prob the same timing but like
latent moon
it's better to not memorize the timing to use the summon
upper wolf
tbh last time I missed sneak was because I used battie right as he disappeared at start
latent moon
or at least easier
upper wolf
I had to pause the game to laugh at how shameful that was
upper wolf
true
It's always a big dopamine hit
Also I feel like there should be a consistent setup to hit both twins, but I'm not sure and clearly haven't found it yet
latent moon
Also I feel like there *should* be a consistent setup to hit both twins, but I'm...
inferno bombers?
yes there is
carmine cloak
Once I've maxed out all affections, is there any reason not to exchange ambrosia for more blood to unlock more aspects?
upper wolf
https://youtu.be/OSPh_y1BPPA?t=90
oh, that's not the setup I use. Might be why. I wait for him to reappear once
dry mauve
the inferno bomber setup is weird iirc since there are two different room layouts
and the setup is different for each one
latent moon
0 cycle isn't like too bad to do once you learn it probably but there's no reason for the majority of people to learn it unless you're going for low 6s
upper wolf
It doesn't seem too hard but, like, I don't use save state so training techs like that is a bit of a pain
latent moon
the inferno bomber setup is weird iirc since there are two different room layout...
isnt it just mirrored
stone rune
and the setup is different for each one
its the same
dry mauve
yeah the room is mirrored
latent moon
it's the same set up tho
upper wolf
yes there is
oooh, do you have a link for it ?
latent moon
Once I've maxed out all affections, is there any reason not to exchange ambrosia...
companions
latent moon
oooh, do you have a link for it ?
it's in the same meg video guide
all the line ups on there are accurate except witches
stone rune
i never learned 0 cycle
upper wolf
damn
latent moon
i never learned 0 cycle
based
upper wolf
I'm surprised there's one thing jazz hasn't try harded /pos
latent moon
tbf if you're going for sub5
i feel like you should probably learn it lmao
saves a couple of secs
but i'm on expert i only have 1 sub6 compared to jazz lmao
maiden narwhal
why hades keepsake always locked?
stone rune
it saves like not that much
and im too lazy to learn it
i havent savestated anything yet
latent moon
why hades keepsake always locked?
because you already have a call
maiden narwhal
doh
latent moon
i havent savestated anything yet
there's prob existing save states
latent moon
0 cycle sneak could be the difference btwn 5:01 and 4:59 lmao
stone rune
ill just get doomstone
latent moon
true
upper wolf
tbf the only fight I really want to save state to learn is charon
I'm not even sure it's useful
and I don't care
I just want to know the fight enough to beat him every time è_é
latent moon
just play modded
upper wolf
I thought about it
dry mauve
whats wrong with the charon fight?
upper wolf
but it sounds still much more annoying than save states
dry mauve
he has like three different moves that are fairly telegraphed imo
dry mauve
the last phase of the fight gets kind of bullet-hell but you can just save your summon for that phase to skip it
maiden narwhal
do noobs prefer talos to demeter
latent moon
no clue
most like the pull
so maybe
the pull is a more immediate "reward" then the charged upper
maiden narwhal
there you go
i prefer talos to demeter
i can't think of any other reason
but that i am noob
stone rune
talos was my favorite aspect for like 4 runs
upper wolf
talos was my favorite aspect until I unlocked demeter. Which I unlocked pretty fast.
Ok, maybe until I got lvl5 demeter
maiden narwhal
i just wish the giga couldn't miss
the hitbox is tiny
kinetic launcher on demeter tho
upper wolf
I love transforming my hadoukens into kamehamehas
maiden narwhal
Kamehameha is actually Hawaiian. In fact, it's the name of a former Hawaiian King. It translates to “the very lonely one” or “the one set apart”. In Japanese, it means “Turtle Destruction Wave”.
dry mauve
i dont mind zag fist
maiden narwhal
the one set apart
TURTLE DESTRUCTION!
that's fkn hilarious
dry mauve
zag fist is basically the same general playstyle as the other fists and costs 1/3 the blood
also if you're less experienced with fists the extra effective hp is nice
maiden narwhal
zag fist is basically the same general playstyle as the other fists and costs 1/...
that's what i was saying
i never got my me duo this is the worst run ever
latent moon
zag fists is functionally the same as demeter except your special doesnt exist lmao
you can still do funny duppers if you want tho
maiden narwhal
now i'm determined to play demeter right
carmine cloak
companions
Did that too
latent moon
then you dont need ambrosia i'm pretty sure
upper wolf
yeah
carmine cloak
What about the resource guy thingy
upper wolf
iirc you do have an abundance of ambrosia over the whole game, so exchanging it for blood is logic
upper wolf
What about the resource guy thingy
you'll 200% get another ambrosia years before getting enough darkness
I'm not even sure he asks for ambrosia
but if he does, it's not an issue
The limiting factor is darkness
carmine cloak
Ok
maiden narwhal
is the room mob gold cap already at its limit?
or will jury duty 1 give me more gold?
stone rune
is the room mob gold cap already at its limit?
or will jury duty 1 give me more...
jury summons does not increase gold cap
maiden narwhal
jury summons does not increase gold cap
i know it doesn't
jury duty increases mobs
which i thought meant increased gold
but someone told me there's a gold limit
so my question is when is the gold limit reached?
dry mauve
jury summons does not increase gold cap
wait what is this gold cap?
maiden narwhal
wait what is this gold cap?
apparently the chamber can only drop so much gold and not more
stone rune
it depends on ur biome and encounter type
maiden narwhal
so there's no way of knowing if jury duty 1 will give me 20% more mobs, therefore potentially 20% more gold
but jury duty 2 will give me 40% more mobs, but not potentially 40% more gold?
maiden narwhal
idk how to be more clear about this
mobs sometimes drop gold
so logically, the more mobs, the more gold
but there's a cap to how much gold a chamber can drop
how do i know when that cap is reached
stone rune
if you stop getting gold
latent moon
i mean if you want to go for like a max gold run then js3 would def help you hit the cap more consistently
but yeah there's not really an easy way to tell
maiden narwhal
hm
maiden narwhal
i just don't want to increase the number of enemies for nothing
maiden narwhal
cool
primal compass
When you equip a god’s keepsake does it only work once per run? My game did everything it could to not give me a second Zeus boon