h1-discussion

[upper wolf]

I can't aim to save my life

(case in point, I lost my run that was close to getting the sub10 I wanted )

(tbh I did lose 3 DD to heroes because I took a chaos curse of -5 HP on each attack)

it feels weird that chaos takes as much HP for attacks as special and casts. Attacks are much more spammable.

[stiff obsidian]

play it like eris

[upper wolf]

jokes on you I also suck at eris

[tepid light]

play zagrail

[upper wolf]

Already got my sub10 on zagspect

Second try

I'm only missing hestia and lucifer

[tepid light]

i'm pretty sure i've taken an attack chaos curse all of once for the prophecy, and those were the worst 4 rooms i've ever had in Hades

[steep condor]

is there special dialogue for when a curse of chaos actually kills you btw?

[stiff obsidian]

it cant

[steep condor]

oh 😦

[stiff obsidian]

why are you disappointed 🤨

isnt it a good thing

[rustic vale]

Bro has never taken js4 or hidden rooms

[tepid light]

excuse you i've had jury summons maxed for like 20 heat levels at this point

dealing with that many enemies while being unable to attack is pain

[rustic vale]

Js4 the chaos curse

[tepid light]

oh right jury summons only has 3 levels

derp on my part

[rustic vale]

“For the next 3–4 encounters, you face +30%–80% more foes.” Thnx roiling

[tepid light]

honestly that's one of the more tolerable curses for me

anything is better than the attack one though tbf

[rustic vale]

attack on depends on aspect

and where you are in the run

If it’s early tart I’ll gladly take it on quite a few weapons

[steep condor]

it's not a good thing because if it takes almost all your health you're pretty much dead anyway AND you don't even get a funny line from zag or hypnos? i'd feel robbed

[stiff obsidian]

as a stubborn defiance user i see this as an absolute win

[steep condor]

ok, that makes sense

still have like 30 heat levels to go before considering that

[rustic vale]

Tbf if it’s on something that isn’t your main button you’re fine

Attack is sad to lose even on zeus but you can make do without it for a bit

Or just be an sd user

[main talon]

I learnt today I never beat styx on 0 heat with the bow, I just went straight to heat 1 and forgot

[steep condor]

this was about not being able to literally die to the curse

[true oak]

is anyone here good at rama? i find it really hard

especially witches

[main glen]

i had a 14m as my first run, but its too low leveled for me to properly use

i liked going with a lot of zeus, especially on special

[lavish sorrel]

do you mean the asphodel witches' circle miniboss?

if so, then you might want to learn the Meg setup for it

[true oak]

nah just witches

[lavish sorrel]

[true oak]

fo2 and cloners turns into bullet hell

very difficult to get a shot off

[lavish sorrel]

"just dodge the bullets"
more seriously, you have a special that shoots straight ahead on Rama. use that to clear projectiles whenever you need to.

[true oak]

sure thanks

the huge huge windup kinda makes you a sitting duck

[lavish sorrel]

(I'm not the best Rama player but I have a 40 heat on it ig)

[rustic vale]

Are you dash striking for each shot

[lavish sorrel]

yeah that's what the fast special is for

[true oak]

yes ofc

[rustic vale]

[true oak]

i normally go artemis attack and hopefully dash

[rustic vale]

I would go for aphrodite instead

[lavish sorrel]

both are valid, it's personal pref

[rustic vale]

like yeah bow has hammers for your additive but even then

[true oak]

power shot rama is impossible

[rustic vale]

consistent extra damage is nice especially when you’re shooting way slower

and aphrodite synergises better with your best special options

[true oak]

do you guys go zeus or ares special

if you could pick

[mint coral]

Zeus

[true oak]

or dio ig?

[rustic vale]

You could always go for ME rama with curse of pain

[mint coral]

Time for the best rama guide

[true oak]

seriously though i did DR rama, it was pretty sweet

[stiff obsidian]

personally i prefer artemis special with chaos special buffs to get those juicy crits 😃

[true oak]

is this satire

[rustic vale]

I’d take zeus first

[rustic vale]

[brisk trail]

........

[mint coral]

Yeah just realized the site is dead

Rip rama guide

[rustic vale]

I actually have no clue where the rama copy pasta is and there are too many messages to look through

Nevermind I found it

[quasi dust]

I recommended Hades to my philosophy teacher, you're welcome

(I'm so glad he's going to play it I finally won't be alone)

[main talon]

8 bloodstones on hera, very cool

[latent moon]

Min charge the witches

Tag as many as you can and spam min charge attacks on them

Unless you have like thunder flourish and static discharge lmao

Or divine flourish

[true oak]

thanks- how much is min charge?

i can check

i seem to be doing around 40 base

[stone rune]

do you not have fiery presence on

and like

twin and some additive

[latent moon]

Well you'd apply shared suffering too

Maybe unintentionally lmao

[true oak]

fiery for rama?

[latent moon]

And not everyone would have twin

[true oak]

your special breaks it

[stone rune]

fiery lets u 1 shot off spawns

[latent moon]

It does but that's why you don't use your special on the enemy you want to attack lmao

[true oak]

also i was just getting an idea of power, compared to e.g. zagbow

and i'm using heat so dc

[latent moon]

You tag everything else but one enemy ideally

[stone rune]

dc changes it then

but what heat r u at

[latent moon]

Oh if you're using DC then fiery is worthless

[true oak]

uhh i beat 45 with bow

im try 48

[stone rune]

yeah i guess dc is probably a good option

whats ur full pact

[true oak]

hold on

hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs dc2 ap2 td3

it might be time to try with em4 i guess

[stone rune]

if u can do 45 you could try adding ri1 or js3 cp1 and doing 50

that pact is fine tho

cause 48 is a weird number

wqhile 50 is a less weird number

[true oak]

no 48 is a multiple of 8

like skelly statues

also 50 is hard

[stone rune]

skelly statues are a power of 2

[stone rune]

you're trying 48 tho

[true oak]

i know lol

[stone rune]

if u can do 48 u can do 50

[latent moon]

Tbf 48 and 50 aren't gonna be that much different lmao

[true oak]

but ri2 sucks

[stone rune]

dont need ri2

you can add js3 cp1 if u want

or ri1

on that pact

[true oak]

ok sounds good

[stiff obsidian]

with zagbow?

[true oak]

i was using zagbow before with 45

i'm trying rama now because everyone thinks it's great for heat

but it's pretty difficult

[main glen]

chiron better

[true oak]

lol i like chiron, it's really fun

even if it's not too great after a while

[stone rune]

wat

[true oak]

i don't think he's serious

[main glen]

indeed i am not

[latent moon]

I mean you do get 2 free heat from DC lmao

But also it just has big damage

[stiff obsidian]

rama sucks dont fall for the bait!

[latent moon]

And technically aoe

[stiff obsidian]

'good players' will say its good but thats only because its easy to spell

[stone rune]

ok but beuwlf isnt easy to spel

[stiff obsidian]

thats why it sucks

[stone rune]

Grue

[static shoal]

Rama is better in every single way than Chiron

and i say this as a Chiron lover

[dry mauve]

i started playing this game recently for the first time in over a year and im so bad now...

decided to play with FO turned on because when I played previously I never really got used to (which made 32+ heat kind of awkward sometimes)
I'm still not used to it but hopefully with enough runs it will be fine...

also i dont remember being nearly this weak, does the mirror really make that big of a difference?

[latent moon]

Yeah kinda

Dark foresight kinda good and it's one of the last mirror unlocks

[dry mauve]

it takes an uncomfortably large amount of time to kill things
it might just be because it was so long ago that im not remembering correctly anymore though

maybe FO adds to this since I need to dodge more? so less dps

[upper wolf]

mirror is strong

try to ask a fresh file runner how good the mirror is

like 90% of the issues with FF is that you basically have RI4

[dry mauve]

I have the second dash and one DD right now but i havent played enough yet to flesh out the mirror too much

[true oak]

zagsword and no hammer is 10%?

this might just be me, i don't like sword

[dry mauve]

sword is just kind of unsafe in general imo
its hard to use

[stone rune]

if u had dashes and dds the problem of damage is heavily alleviated

since the damage already doesnt really come from the weapon

[true oak]

i just suck at melee

[drowsy trellis]

||I main Arthur but yeah||

||Nemesis might be my least favorite aspect||

Basic zag sword is still fun for meme builds though, I remember one time I had it work out really well with Agony, Dire Misfortune and Support Fire, sooo much call charge

[covert hare]

if hades never been with someone besides persephone,does that mean he is not than and hipnos father?

[drowsy trellis]

Than and Hypnos are the sons of Nyx and Erebus, not Hades

[covert hare]

erebus is someone? i thought it was a place

[void vigil]

Erebus in the game is not personified but yeah

Like chaos is personified, it’s the same with erebus

[drowsy trellis]

"Hades" is technically the name of the underworld as well, its pretty common in greek mytho

[covert hare]

oooooh

[drowsy trellis]

Yeah SG just avoids having too much overlap in the names for the sake of anyone unfamiliar with it

Gaia and Ouranos are the other big examples they're literally just the earth and the sky

I think Tartarus has a personification in some myths as well but that one is pretty rare

[covert hare]

so the universe is just many entities hugging against each other

[upper wolf]

always has been

https://tenor.com/view/hug-virtualhug-hugsent-gif-7170588153364811748

[drowsy trellis]

Some of them are more abstract than others, I think Hades as a place name was invented a good bit later in the development of the mythology

Then you also have people like Chronos who is actually just the concept of the passage of time

[steep condor]

in ask-sgg i read they decided to include chaos being a god and a place to show that concept, but didn't do that with tartarus or erebus because that could be confusing to some players

in case you were wondering

[upper wolf]

Ok so starting with anything but zeus on lucirail is absolute pain. Noted.

[stiff obsidian]

demeter attack is fun

[upper wolf]

I went in thinking "luci is all about the special" then forgot that focusing on special on tartarus is overkill and that it takes a long time to go, which you don't really have in tart

I don't see how demeter attack can help you going through tartarus fast

I'm trying to get a sub10

[stiff obsidian]

oh

well ofc then lightning strike

[upper wolf]

yeah, it's obvious but I am very dumb ;-;

[stiff obsidian]

even though special is good pretty sure you still prioritize tdash over special

[upper wolf]

yeah

you can slap 4 different gods on special and be happy about it, so there's no reason to force it

[desert tundra]

relentless or concentrated better for Chiron?

[upper wolf]

Depends on your special

[desert tundra]

I have Arti heart rend special, thinking relentless

[upper wolf]

Concentrated

Lots of damage

[desert tundra]

when would relentless be better then

[stone rune]

conc

[stone rune]

never

[desert tundra]

fair

i will simply get both

[stone rune]

the best option is to get another aspect

[desert tundra]

best option is to play it anyway

🙂

[vague peak]

Hello!

Got back from the mental asylum that was school… ugh…

[desert tundra]

welcome back

[desert tundra]

oh i actually got both

epic luck

[torn phoenix]

What aspect would u recommend for 32 heat

[desert tundra]

idk I just used Arthur

[upper wolf]

really depends on what you play tbh

fwiw beowulf is broken strong

[desert tundra]

i think you can beat it on any aspect

[upper wolf]

you def can lol

every aspect has a 50+ heat clear

[torn phoenix]

I see

Thank you

[steep condor]

for my last five or so zeus shield runs, i didn't get static discharge until elysium / styx or not at all

starting to understand modding and why people who play the game a lot hate it😤

[mint coral]

modded won't help for discharge tho

Unless you are also not getting your zeus core at all

[rustic vale]

Oh 100%

[steep condor]

got the core using keepsake, but wasn't offered any zeus afterwards or just not static discharge

also it's kind of funny how i was destroying heroes in one run, and a couple runs and just one drink later (really) i was completely unable to dodge anything

[mint coral]

Damn

Krill issue

[dry mauve]

from my experience it was a lot easier to win 32 heat using the safer aspects

then as i got more experience i could branch out to other aspects

something like bow/rail since you can keep your distance and play safer

[neon glen]

I still can't beat Extreme Measures 4 reliably

Every run that gets there just gets owned

[covert hare]

i still havent even tried em4

because im pretty sure that would be the end of my winning streak

[dry mauve]

its a hard fight

[mint coral]

But fun

As long it's like one of the only pacts

[covert hare]

the final boss of 64 heat

anyways what keepsake is better for farming darkness?

poseidon because of ocean treasure

or chaos because gems+/dark+ boons

[neon glen]

probably chaos

[mint coral]

Don't bother with chaos keepsake

[covert hare]

yeah i guess its kinda useless since chaos is not something you can guarantee

besides buying the item

[mint coral]

Just do speedruns and get luck rolling for light of ixion basically

And ofc add poseidon at some point in the run

[vague peak]

Even though I don’t like all the keepsakes, believe me, I still will max them all out just because.

[covert hare]

because of the steam achievement

[neon fiber]

Do I need to keep signing the pact of punishment in order to progress the story past the epilogue? I just want to see a few more character development scenes but I’m starting to get tired of the level repetitions and just want to OP the escapes

[azure grail]

hi there everyone

hows it hanging

[rustic vale]

Not really

At best more heat leads to skelly statues and maybe mor dialogue I can’t remember

It would be very few dialogues

Like noting on Extreme Measures changes, maybe noting on heat, nothing crucial to the Hades overall story

[neon fiber]

Thank you! I already have way too much ambrosia/nectar/diamonds so I’m not playing for those anymore

[rustic vale]

Although

I am still managing to get new dialogues 560+ runs in

every so often

usually dying to somethign I haven’t before or losing my sd on purpise in eurydice

but I got a duo dialogue I hadn’t yet between athena and zeus somehow

Just like a run or 2 ago

No clue how I never got it initially

Although you do need heat if you plan on completing the codex

[covert hare]

what is ambiguity bonus?

[rustic vale]

For erebus pahes

[rustic vale]

Boosts your ambiguity (it’s literally nothing)

[mint coral]

Whatever you want it to be

[covert hare]

soooooo.....

i guess i could have used that nectar in another way

[rustic vale]

Bouldy doesn’t just boost ambigiuoty

It’s just one of the possible things he can boost

At best he gives +10% movespeed

[azure grail]

plus why wouldnt you wanna give bouldy nectar? hes bouldy!

😎

[rustic vale]

Plus like

What else am I doing with my gifts

sitting on like 92

Practically free bonus

Bouldy can boost Atk damage, special damage, cast damage, damage reduction, obol gain and movespeed from 1-10% and ambiguity by 2%

randomly

This is also rng manipulatable

[brisk trail]

..........

[warm leaf]

if i want to get merciful end, do i just pick up ares/athena boons that inflict doom and deflect and just hope it spawns? are there certain boons i should avoid

[upper wolf]

merciful end needs either attack or special with athena

and any (I think ?) doom effect from ares

[latent moon]

Not vengeance lmao

[warm leaf]

im assuming the go-to would be dash and special for athena, and then attack for ares?

if im using the sword and dashing like a madman

[upper wolf]

yes

and impending doom

main thing as to things to avoid is try not to open other duos

so if you have zeus, don't take phalanx shot (it would open lightning phalanx)

but that's mostly about the other gods, not ares/athena

[neon glen]

Sweet, took down EM 4 with Aspect of Talon

Going with Demeter on the fists attack was a good call

[stone rune]

im not so sure bout that one chief

[tepid light]

I mean, not the worst idea

At least it's a stackable debuff

[tepid light]

First EM4 win?

[neon glen]

Not my first, but there haven't been many for sure

[tepid light]

Well, congrats

[neon glen]

Thanks ^^

[steep condor]

just got merciful end on nemesis with epic rush delivery! at the end of elysium, when i was already near death

no patroclus, no kisses of styx offered by charon

[stiff obsidian]

winnable

[steep condor]

for someone with less skill issues

[stone rune]

just saw someone on reddit advise people to use stygian true shot on achilles

[tepid light]

cast build achilles

[desert tundra]

Mayhaps based

[lavish sorrel]

Idkman achilles meta is hunting blades or LP

however on infernal soul

[tepid light]

DEEESGOISTANG

[upper wolf]

LP ?

[lavish sorrel]

Yes

I have seen Lightning Phalanx get some use in any- and high-heat before on achilles

[upper wolf]

Oh, lightning phalanx

ty

[upper wolf]

That's obviously a bad build but now that I think about it, it's very safe and easy to play. So maybe it's good for new casual players

[stiff obsidian]

everything is good for casual players

[lavish sorrel]

Maybe not quite; difficult to do - or understand - strategies are usually seen as bad

[brisk trail]

..........

[rose roost]

so true bouldy

[lavish sorrel]

+10% Cast damage

[tepid light]

Not running a cast build and don't even have a cast boon

[slim zodiac]

I just tried playing hades again with fresh file

Man i suckkk

[lavish sorrel]

(everyone sucks at FF run 1 until they put 100+ hours into it)

[tepid light]

Aaaand, 34 heat fully cleared

Dang good run on Zeus shield to round it out, only lost a single DD to dad and that was because I just turned my brain off when I was about to kill him

[stiff obsidian]

bouldy listens to spotify

[tepid light]

Now comes the annoying part of deciding which of the remaining heat mods I want to take

I guess I could just take approval process

[stiff obsidian]

you dont need approval process before 45

[tepid light]

That's what people say about EM4 and yet here I am

[stiff obsidian]

but you said you like em4

and dont like approval process

[tepid light]

I'm judging purely based on which ones annoy me the least personally

[tepid light]

I don't like approval process, but I'd still rather take it over something like increased tight deadline

[stiff obsidian]

🤔

[tepid light]

or god forbid, forced overtime 2

[stiff obsidian]

found this lovely emote

🔏

[tepid light]

I don't know when I would use this emote

[stiff obsidian]

me neither

[last veldt]

Maybe it relates to secure (cryptographic) signatures.

[lavish sorrel]

insert ?-spam

[lavish sorrel]

BASED

[junior estuary]

how did you clear 34 heat 😭😭 I cant fully clear with 50% godmode

[tepid light]

Practice, practice, practice

That's all I can say

[junior estuary]

true

[tepid light]

Practice and a lot of abandoned/failed runs

[junior estuary]

I only got the game yesterday so 💀

probably shouldn’t expect to beat it

[tepid light]

Oh yeah no one's expecting you to do things that quick if you literally just got the game

Lord knows how long it took me to complete a run at the start

Don't worry, you'll get there

[steep condor]

fo2 makes my brain happy and calm like adhd meds

[brisk trail]

.........

[rustic vale]

I was about to say something about how crazy of a take this was but then I remembered that reddit exists

[rustic vale]

Honestly heat is just practice practice

a good chunk of it is learning how to properly build your mirror and aspects though

because having a good build will make it so much easier

[finite thorn]

@latent moon New PB 9.26. With no impending, I think no breaching cross, agony lv 4. And 3 rooms Styx

Not sure how much time I would have saved with just two rooms, I dont know if I would have sub 9, guess not

[rustic vale]

If the miniboss fight and remaining 3-4 rooms after took you >26 seconds

[finite thorn]

Guys I litterally played more than 12h with just a pause to eat and shower

Because I said I wont go to bed until I PB today

Im so relieved haha

[finite thorn]

Let me check

Ive recorded

[rustic vale]

At least you showered

[finite thorn]

Yes it took me 40s

[rustic vale]

Hygiene is important regardless of how gamer you are

[finite thorn]

I had the little tiny rat as a second boss, so annoying

[finite thorn]

Haha yes

So I could have 8.46? 😮

[rustic vale]

Probably

I can probably get more back into Hades next week when my work calms down

Hearing you on the speed grind makes me want to hop on the speed grind again

[stiff obsidian]

i used to do that everyday

[finite thorn]

Well I have a job

[stiff obsidian]

i meant i do not recommend it

forgot to type it

[rustic vale]

Why’d you get off the grind

You could’ve been the first sub6 64 heat clear by now

[upper wolf]

I need just one more sub10, with lucifer

Small issue : I've been tired for a few days and thus play badly

Considering I'm not a great speedrunner in the first place, it's harsh

[finite thorn]

10.18 my run after my PB. I was 50s late after Tartarus already, managed to keep up. Had 2 rooms instead of 3 though

[steep condor]

didn't you say you were going to take a break when you do your pb

[upbeat walrus]

just died at the very end of EM4 with Achilles

with 33 Heat

maddening death

[rustic vale]

any reason for not taking the jump from 32 straight to 40?

just taking it 1 step at a time will take ages

[lavish sorrel]

why are we running EM4 on 32-ish heat

[upper wolf]

for one reason, and one reason only

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NBl9NXBT3g

[lavish sorrel]

that's not a valid reason ngl

difficulty x2 is a bit much just for a music track one can listen to anytime

[drowsy linden]

no its to save the 5 diamonds

and also not have orpheus/hades interrupt

[lavish sorrel]

youtube...

spotify...

[drowsy linden]

you have to go to youtube and spotify

[lavish sorrel]

literally any other audio streaming service...

[drowsy linden]

it takes too much effort

[lavish sorrel]

-> "pressing buttons is hard"
-> turns on em4
-> has to press way more buttons than it would have taken to look up the song. and if you mess up you have to restart the whole run, do it all over again.
-> "wow 32 heat is hard"

I don't understand the line of reasoning here

[drowsy linden]

you have to click to get to the song or press tab

[lavish sorrel]

you have to click to attack dad and press a bunch of other buttons too
I still don't understand

[drowsy linden]

their keyboard may be unconveniently missing an entire trackpad and the tab key

[drowsy linden]

you can rebind

[lavish sorrel]

also where did you get "tab" from

[drowsy linden]

they couldve just rebinded and then got the trackpad absolutely obliterated and never got a mouse

[lavish sorrel]

no tab key needed

[drowsy linden]

tab allows you to select things, which is a way to access things

[lavish sorrel]

idkman just don't use tab key then

idk what to tell you

[finite thorn]

Hahaha yes but I made 9.26 with no impending + 3 rooms (I counted the third room costed me 40s) so I feel like I can sub 9

[desert tundra]

Experience is way better in game than out

Plus I've gotten used to the fight anyways and enjoy it I do 32 heat runs with em4

Speedrun brain might be biased

[lavish sorrel]

I've done stuff non-speedrun related too

EM4's fun and music's good too, but putting a run into peril by doubling the difficulty of the run within the span of a single fight when you can just not do that doesn't sound like a good idea

[rustic vale]

If I’m running em4 it darned well be a heat that warrants it

Not 32

[desert tundra]

I will simply do it anyways

[steep condor]

it's a good idea when you aren't playing the game for numbers and winning

[fiery wind]

Is there any tierlists of aspects as u level them?

[latent moon]

There's one pinned in #h1-for-new-players

[rustic vale]

And for hidden aspects it’s like Rama is A -> S, gy goes from C -> A-S, Arthur is like B -> A, gilga goes C -> C, lucifer goes from B -> A or S, beowulf is S -> S

honestly though

I don’t know if I’d put poseidon in S

Nyaanyaa probably answered that question a few times though

[drowsy linden]

poseidon>>>>>>>> achilles

[rustic vale]

Actually

The whole tierlist is like

In scope of newbies

So that explains quite a bit

[dry mauve]

came back to playing this game after a long time
i really thought it would be easier to win but it took me over a dozen tries to actually escape for the first time

granted I have FO2 permanently turned on in my new file since I wanted to learn it

but still, those fights are a lot harder than I remember

took me unlocking zeus shield (which was my best weapon before I stopped playing) and then high rolling a bunch of good boons to win

[torn phoenix]

Trying 32 heat with eris rail and it's been great fun so far, despite the number of deaths

[lavish sorrel]

I can understand it

Possword is good at doing average things

Only problem is that it cannot be pushed much

On second thought, true, S might be a bit high

[stiff obsidian]

pos sword sucks

[lavish sorrel]

You're biased against it, of course you'd say that

It's very good at doing average things, FS. Whether you like it or not.

And that's what the tierlist appears to be for

Seeing what aspects can do average things the best

[stiff obsidian]

its just stock sword

without boiling blood

[lavish sorrel]

shut it, it doesn't have to be played like bad nem

That only becomes a necessity at stupidly high heat, 50+

I would not have cleared pos 45 if cast strats didn't exist, I'll say it straight up

I am too bad at rapid execution for that.

[autumn rose]

Pos aspect is baller

[stiff obsidian]

its only unique ability makes it weaker

[lavish sorrel]

I said shut it

When doing LP stuffs you're not LOOKING for boiling blood

If anything, you're looking to not have it to get to use casts more

[stiff obsidian]

why not just use zagsword

atleast you walk faster then

[lavish sorrel]

Because +50% cast damage from the start, which is comfy when doing cast stuff

[stiff obsidian]

its not hard to pick up 50% additive

[lavish sorrel]

• zagsword extra attack speed is something I am not used to

[lavish sorrel]

(And therefore messes with my sword muscle memory)

Yes the extra speed is noticeable to someone with hundreds of hours in ff

[lavish sorrel]

Idkman braid kinda temporary

[rustic vale]

I mean

It can certainly sword

just not on the same level as other aspects

And it can certainly cast

Just not on the same level as other aspects

So I can’t see why it should be rated at the same level as those aspects

and the guide itself seems to be about how the effects of the aspect get better with more levels but like

Look at pos scaling and then look at achilles effect scaling and tell me pos’s effect goes from A -> S when Achilles starts out with maxed Pos sword at A

[stone rune]

pos is like b

it kinda sux

[jagged hamlet]

It's the lazy Zag's Archilles cast build

[steep condor]

is meg the easiest of the furies or do i just know her move set better from dying to her a thousand times before?

[quasi dust]

Honestly I also find her to be the easiest

Idk if she is tho?

[vague peak]

She is, at least imo, in fact a lot of people found that out. I beat her first around my 8th attempt, and learning her moves are not actually that hard once you get the hand of it, obviously when you have Conditions form the Pact Of Punishment it makes it more difficult…

BUT Extreme Measures on the side of things… yeah..

[steep condor]

at this point she usually doesn't hit me more than once at fo2 but i still often lose a defiance to alecto and use than on tis😬

[jagged hamlet]

I vote Tisiphone for easiest fury

[quasi dust]

Huh, not surprising tbh

[steep condor]

tisiphone does that thing where she attacks and then immediately does a dash attack and i fall for it every time

[upper wolf]

tisiphone is free

[drowsy linden]

the triple or the stun

[upper wolf]

3/4 of her attacks are just "hey, here, get some free hits in"

also on EM1 tis is imo one of the worst to get as support

and what do you know, she can't support herself

[mint coral]

Tis is annoying cuz I monkey brain too much and eat all the stuns

[upper wolf]

how

[mint coral]

Magic

[upper wolf]

like

even on FO2 she telegraphs the stun years in advance

and the hitbox is minuscule

you just have to chacha real smooth 3 pixels and you're in the clear

[mint coral]

And you would think I'd release the attack like normal no?

Welp

[upper wolf]

do you play on FO10 somehow

[vague peak]

FO?

[stiff obsidian]

I always get stunned

But you can just dash out of the rush afterwards

[vague peak]

I will ask, what does FO mean?

[mint coral]

Forced overtime

Enemies get +20% move/atk speed per rank

(pact abbreviations are pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies )

[vague peak]

Thanks so much, that will clear more of that. I kinda figured but thanks anyway!

Guys, are there pacts I need to unlock tho, cause I don’t have Routine Inspection yet.

How do I reveal it?

[steep condor]

that's the only one. it's hell mode only

[mint coral]

Unlock all of the mirror

[mint coral]

That's personal liability

Routine is mirror begone

[steep condor]

oh, right. ignore me

[vague peak]

Got it, PL is exclusive to Hell Mode. Don’t know why tho.

[mint coral]

to make it harder ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vague peak]

Great, that’s gonna be P A I N.

[mint coral]

(it shouldn't be exclusive)

[drowsy linden]

its not if you just reset

reset mirror for free ri and free 8 heat

and free darkness

[vague peak]

Ahh… so that’s the exception.

RI or PL, essentially. Only one though.

[dry mauve]

do hell mode bounties go up to 25? 26?

or are they still 20?

[drowsy linden]

20 still

[dry mauve]

rip

[mint coral]

It goes to 25

[drowsy linden]

what

[mint coral]

Is to make up for the forced 5 heat

[golden mica]

idk if im just bad at the game but i cant get past likr chamber 15

[drowsy linden]

oh i forgot to read👴

[mint coral]

So is still the same amount of bounties, higher heat overall

[vague peak]

Guys, what’s your favorite weapon aspect?

[steep condor]

speaking of hell mode, after breezing through my last run i just tried my first 32 heat and have to admit i'll never be able to do this on hell mode. was doing sort of fine until i died to time fighting the furies

[jagged hamlet]

Probably Zagbow or Hestia

[dry mauve]

i started a new file trying to learn FO2

[mint coral]

Hell mode is kinda lame tbh

[mint coral]

Hidden bow/shield

[steep condor]

zeus shield and hestia rail🔥💜

[dry mauve]

my favorite aspects are zeus and hades

despite everyone likeing achilles for spear

can't beat BIG SPIN

[golden mica]

[steep condor]

i know, right. unfortunately i am stuck with it for now

[vague peak]

Fair, I went through 2 DEATH DEFIANCES through that Furies battle, lol.

God having Alecto and Tisiphone being support SUCKS… at least for dodging.

[dry mauve]

im still not fully used to boss attack timings on FO2

for some reason I keep losing death defiances to lernie...

[mint coral]

Lernie tax is real

[jagged hamlet]

Lernie is deceptively hard, especially with EM2

[dry mauve]

maybe im just dumb because it feels like I can dash his head slam on reaction but sometimes he just hits me anyways

[upper wolf]

losing one or two DD to lernie is perfectly normal

[jagged hamlet]

Head slam is horrible. It's not just you

[mint coral]

The slam is weird

Blue lernie my hated enemy

[vague peak]

I did EM1 on Lernie, and I’m puzzled… what’s different about him, I thought it was his speed but I doubt that?

[upper wolf]

I'm pretty sure if you look at all top heat or top speed runs, you'll find plenty of people dying to lernie at some point

[dry mauve]

EM1 only changes first boss

[steep condor]

that's usually what kills me on my merciful end runs where i don't get merciful end

[mint coral]

Each level is 1 boss

[dry mauve]

EM2 changes first two bosses

etc

[vague peak]

Ahh… see I didn’t get that.

[upper wolf]

and the head slams are absolute hell

absolute scam

[mint coral]

Green lernie is a vibe at least

Yeah yeah just summon more enemies

[upper wolf]

every other move has a big telegraph but lernie will just whisper "hey, reflex" then deals 32 to you. Three times. So 96.

[vague peak]

I already hate his head slam enough, but yeah EM2 with him is PAIN sometimes.

[upper wolf]

purple lernie is fun with deflect

[mint coral]

What I love most from lernie is how the roar triggers RR/lightning reflexes

And ofc the hades dialogue after killing it

[dry mauve]

i think after I get used to FO2 I'm going to work up to EM4 + Middle Management
will take a while but that should get me up to 23 heat

[mint coral]

"that hydra had a family!"

[vague peak]

Lol.

[steep condor]

"that hydra had a family"

[dry mauve]

then throw on something random to get to 25 for all the bounties

[upper wolf]

"that blasted hydra never takes my feedback"

[mint coral]

"that blasted hydra never-"

Lmao

[upper wolf]

Hades has some amazing lines

[vague peak]

True.

[mint coral]

Dad is amazing

[upper wolf]

you can see where zagreus takes his repartee from

[mint coral]

"was that a blasted boulder from the sky"

[lavish sorrel]

have you heard of our lord and savior "Fresh File"

[steep condor]

hades comments after finishing a region are the one thing in the game in which the timing is off though

[vague peak]

Yeah, not looking forward to that…

[lavish sorrel]

[steep condor]

like when i go to the keepsake thing i always interrupt him

it bothers me

[upper wolf]

oh yeah true x)

personally what bothers me most is after the heroes fight

[mint coral]

"this fish is mocking me"

[vague peak]

Weird, that’s not happened with me. But, I’m on console so idk.

[upper wolf]

you have the dialogue for beating them + dialogue for picking reward that conflicts with the good shade line

so I often have to go back and forth a couple time to greet my good shade

[steep condor]

yeah heroes fight i've sometimes had everything happen so quickly it's a mess

[lavish sorrel]

and sometimes the shade doesn't get to smile back

[vague peak]

Yeah that has happened before with me, so that’s a bit broken.

[lavish sorrel]

alright let me ruin your day/night even more

the shade can not be greeted after the very first heroes clear

[steep condor]

i thought the shade isn't even there during the first fight?

[lavish sorrel]

oh, it is

[vague peak]

You think it’s accurate to say that Hades as a character: a infernal blowhard, lol.

[lavish sorrel]

zag just does not see it until after the second heroes clear

[steep condor]

huh. so you have a fan before ever having fought there

red shade is more committed than i thought

so as a fresh file player, you never get to greet them? that is sad

[vague peak]

What, noo, that is sad.

[lavish sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1142115080809488464/1200937340877680721/image.png?ex=65c7ff0e&is=65b58a0e&hm=4976457f90c99a9f84dd912a289c2b78148c133b9a44831eb3f5fc65fbace539&

[jagged hamlet]

I suppose red shade exists but is not yet your fan

[vague peak]

That’s fair, IG.

[jagged hamlet]

Or maybe red shade has precognition and is already your fan

[vague peak]

Yeah, that’s another theory.

[steep condor]

why would they have the banner if they weren't your fan

[vague peak]

Also, how come we don’t see other red shades?

[jagged hamlet]

Oh hecc I didn't notice the banner!

Precognition ahoy!

[drowsy linden]

everyones loyal to theseus because of his loyalty program
speaking of the program, you can join now and get a free 200 points

[jagged hamlet]

Hot dog sign me up!

[vague peak]

Are there other fans of Zag we haven’t seen yet? Or are they becoming fans?

[vague peak]

Yeah, that explains it. Now, don’t ask why Asterius and Theseus are comrades, cause idk. I mean King there slain Asterius so… how are they friends now?

[jagged hamlet]

Their camaraderie is addressed in the dialogues

[vague peak]

Yeah, probably also explained in Codex also. Probably haven’t seen those dialogues yet.

[stiff obsidian]

thats my favorite one

sorry for the ping

[mint coral]

Is fine

The fish is too powerful

[hardy crown]

Is hades himself considered armored? (For the sake of choosing armor damaging effects)

[mint coral]

No

Armored is the yellow hp bar

[vague peak]

I mean I get the question: Hades’s has a helmet that’s not seen anywhere else and another question: why does the courtyard have some weapons that Hades and other gods used?

Just curious, I mean the Fates are tied with the world so I wouldn’t be surprised.

[mint coral]

The helmet is what causes the darkness move

And the weapons are kinda sentient so yeah, they just do that

Pull up some versions of the weapon in past or future

[vague peak]

Oh, I guess that’s why “Blood and Darkness” is said a lot.

And I mean a lot, especially with Hades and Zag.

[rustic vale]

Blood and Darkness is a curse word

or I guess more of a curse phrase

[hardy crown]

I just got my 100th escape attempt.

I’m just wondering if I’m not doing the right thing. The lyre in the bedchambers doesn’t seem to be coming along with Zagreus’s skill. Should I just keep plucking at it every attempt I remember to?

Or does it require something else?

[true oak]

just keep practicing

you'll get there

[hardy crown]

Can you elaborate

[true oak]

you'll get better at the lyre if you play it more

you don't need to wait between attempts

just interact lots and see what happens

[rustic vale]

You need to use it 210 times

At certain break points Zag gets better

so it actually sounds like someone who kinda knows what they’re doing

[hardy crown]

Thanks

Well I must be over 120 attempts surely.

[tepid light]

Belated response, but Forced Overtime 2 on EM4 dad with Hard Labor and Calisthenics Program already maxed sounds very painful

[rustic vale]

Ok but you’re at the point where you have cp2 and em4

Fo2 should already be a staple

[tepid light]

I think we've long since established that my approach to heat is very different from other peoples'

[rustic vale]

I guessss

Like yeah fo2 is going to suck if you have pact options that don’t compliment it

But that’s how heat works

More heat just makes other heats suck

Especially cp2 and em4

[tepid light]

Yeah I know

[rustic vale]

Where they prolong your Hades experience

[tepid light]

I'm gonna have to activate it eventually

[rustic vale]

everything prolonging your Hades experience makes other pacts worse

[tepid light]

I'm just huffing copium and taking the ones that I dislike less first

[vague peak]

Oh…

[vague peak]

Whoops, lol.

[stiff obsidian]

i just randomly lost 100+ hours

steam says 1590 now

[sterile crystal]

Bred

[oak beacon]

^ Zag after Meg "inspects his chambers"

[sterile crystal]

They made sour dough together

Then had sandwiches

How do pomegranates grow in tartarus with no sunlight?

[rustic vale]

It’s not like the underworld has no light at all

[covert hare]

crazy considering zag room doesnt have a door

[oak beacon]

That thought crossed my mind as well. Like Nyx is right outside there bruh

[covert hare]

nyx can already see it all

she is the God of night/darkness for a reason

[oak beacon]

And she even stated she was pleased with how their relationship was developing...man

[covert hare]

atleast they got the support

[brisk trail]

..........

[untold onyx]

Even though the relationship is super toxic most of the time, I love the banter between Zag and Hades especially in the late game, but only when the words aren't hurting the other, particularly zag. Some lines make me laugh harder than they should. They're just so petty, dramatic, and sarcastic ugh

[main glen]

The scripts are all great but the voices bring it all to life

im not even kidding, these voices might be the best ones ive heard in a video game experience

[steep condor]

i love how meg says to not tell anyone and a minute later, literally everyone knows (even the people not right outside the room)

[inner field]

Wtf... I've been grinding all week this game

When do I get a companion?

I'm seeing in the codex locks inside the heart

Is that for ambrosia?

Father Hades can't accept nectar or ambrosia?

[latent moon]

yeah

how far along in the game are you

[inner field]

What am I missing? This doesn't makes sense

I'm alot far I'm guessing

[latent moon]

how many clears

[inner field]

I beat the dad fight 6 times now I think?

I only didn't beat him with the gloves yet

[latent moon]

you can unlock the heart through completing favors, each character has a specific favor that you'll eventually get through dialogue and talking/playing more

6 clears isn't particularly a lot but you're getting there to the end of the main story

[inner field]

Ok so then with the skeleton I'm guessing he wants me to beat the game with the gloves

[latent moon]

maybe

[inner field]

Then I can give him ambrosia

[latent moon]

yeah once you unlock the heart that needs ambrosia

they'll tell you exactly what their favor is so there shouldn't be any guessing

[inner field]

Fuc ok

[torn phoenix]

hades deux

[inner field]

I feel like the math isn't adding up

I have 34 runs? 80% on God Mode

[latent moon]

that's like

not a lot in terms of bonds lmao

[inner field]

Its definitely getting easier but it's becoming a drain of energy and feels like a waste of time

[inner field]

Bonds?

[latent moon]

i mean you responded to a message that was related to that so i assumed

[latent moon]

prob need a better build then

[inner field]

Better build?

[latent moon]

better boon choices

[inner field]

No I'm asking about companions, and finishing all the talking because it never seems like anything so happening with characters

I've met Eurydice like 10x almost

[latent moon]

i did say you didn't even finish the main story line yet

[inner field]

I met boulder 1x

[inner field]

I met mom and talk to her 6x

[latent moon]

yeah and i said you didn't finish the main story line yet

you're almost there but not done yet

[inner field]

Can you explain?

Context

[latent moon]

the main story line is 10 wins

after that it'll open up more stuff for bonds, companions, and whatnot

[inner field]

Good lord that’s so boring

[latent moon]

it's only 10 wins lmao

[inner field]

So I guess I do 10 wins and I can give hades ambrosia

[latent moon]

something like that

also like 34 runs, 6 clears, that's faster than most people anyways

[inner field]

I’m trying to finish it while it has my attention

I don’t want to play an indie game longer than 60hrs

[latent moon]

that's an interesting arbitrary rule lmao

[stiff obsidian]

im still getting new dialogue nearly 1500 hours in

[steep condor]

i can see you will either end up hating this game or coming here 500 hours later gushing about it

it's the "gotta finish while it has my attention" to "hyperfixate like there's no tomorrow" adhd hades player pipeline

anyway came here to say i just went back to my first file to try a 32 non-hell heat run based on bananas' guide and

it's like i'm playing a whole different game with calisthenics program off

[lavish sorrel]

cali bad

[upper wolf]

RIP california

[brisk trail]

.........

[torn phoenix]

hades will probably remain my most played game unless hades 2 beats it

[gray apex]

By the time it comes out you might have another 1k hours in hades 1

[inner field]

It’s gonna be Disco Elysium for me

Great continuation of gorgeous art and seductive voices

[torn phoenix]

I didn't know that game could be played for long

[steep condor]

i love disco elysium (surprise) but with story focused games like that the replay value is not great

for me, at least

[rustic vale]

I mean the time it takes to “beat” the game is purely up to skill tbh

completing the game on the other hand

also

tf are you doing with an odd rule like rhat

Why is it specifically indie games, and why specifically 60 hours?

it seems like you don’t want to get your moneys worth out of a game if you only want to spend 60 hours on it

[steep condor]

i thought about it and the rule makes sense. indie games are really cheap so if you play more than 60 hours you are basically stealing from the devs

that's like subjugating the proletariat, esp if you like disco elysium too

[rustic vale]

You’re hardly experiencing Hades if you dip after 10 wins

And… stealing from the devs?

[steep condor]

(i am joking)

[rustic vale]

I may as well be stealing from the hammer manufacturer with how much I’ve used this hammer 🧠

If anything it’s a disrespect to all the work put into the game if you don’t decide to fully experience it

[upper wolf]

let people play however they want

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/1136398712214671470/cachedImage.png?ex=65c3eb46&is=65b17646&hm=42dbde91abfa766facd04bb0411e2ae058abfb979a477bf2d7e32aebea31e167& this kinda energy

[lavish sorrel]

126 hours past 2 weeks

[stone rune]

that’s a wmic screenshot

i might have reached that at some point idk

i had this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/1136399371752189962/image.png?ex=65c3ebe3&is=65b176e3&hm=5676880c64d1fd3504f5d64cb66e0526f02d5f9025e2c22c8d60c20fbe1cdc2b&

[brisk trail]

.........

[finite thorn]

wtf I might have 150 in 4 weeks it’s already huge

And still no sub9 🤣

[lavish sorrel]

anatole I got my first sub9 multiple hundred hours in

like 300 to 350

it's relatively normal you haven't gotten one yet

[finite thorn]

I’ll be in holidays soon, won’t be able to play for two weeks 😭

[finite thorn]

9.26 pb and I had 3 rooms at Styx 😭

So I definitely have it in my hands, need a bit of rng

[lavish sorrel]

we believe

[finite thorn]

10.31 4 rooms also. Well I do t think it was a sub9 anyway but probably less than 9.26

[stiff obsidian]

how do u see the last 2 weeks thing

oh i see

only 62 hours ☹️ havent played much this month

[autumn rose]

whar...

[lavish sorrel]

48 here

[rustic vale]

Same

[raw herald]

0 last 2 weeks

[lavish sorrel]

healthy habits

[steep condor]

i hate that zag sometimes calls asterius "bull man" even after the dialog with him saying he prefers to be called by his name

[fathom cove]

didnt play the game in a week, where was i- https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/524310260610105365/1201205371285536768/image.png?ex=65c8f8ad&is=65b683ad&hm=1d6ce7e1ef32f1c7e941da5b386baf13735ea49e32caa6cbcffd0de497a09d6f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1107&height=623

[void vigil]

I wonder if that could be dialogue queueing up weird, or if zag is just a meanie to him. Because he’s so nice to everybody else… asterius included iirc

I don’t know I finished the story ages ago and my replays did not get far

[steep condor]

it's not dialog w/ the portrait, he says it sometimes when you kill theseus first: "see that, bull man?"

i think they just didn't make these comments so that they'd change with story progression

[rustic vale]

Like

[torn phoenix]

probably to provoke him and make him more likely to make a mistake

[rustic vale]

Asterius is respectful

And actually has like a good relationship with Zag compared to Theseus

[steep condor]

it seems out of character for zag and not fitting his relationship w/ asterius. like, he just doesn't seem like the kinda guy to not call someone he's friendly with by their name, even during a fight?

it has the same feeling as if he suddenly called meg a sexist swear word when you fight her

well not exactly because sexism is real and minotaurus discrimination isn't, but you know

[covert hare]

Me gettin bond with tan only to have a discussion later

[bronze night]

What weapon aspects would you suggest me to unlock, and maybe suggest a build with it?

[drowsy linden]

#h1-for-new-players pins
also for hidden aspects:
all are pretty good, though for sword and especially fists, theyre not too good

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

[bronze night]

Thanks, I heard about gilgamesh and thought it was fun but lots of people say it's horrible, how come?

[mint coral]

shorter dashes, longer cooldown, longer animations

for a 25% dmg boost you give enemies a 50% dmg boost

[jolly wren]

hiya

i need some help

i dont know how to use my titan blood.

[drowsy linden]

#h1-for-new-players pins is good

[torn phoenix]

Died to em3 heroes on 32 heat

They deal some big damage

[clever dust]

|| Hello, I finished the main story and now I want to write the epilogue, but the fate table tells me to get closer to more Olympians. The problem is that I couldn't get close to Demeter and Ares because I don't usually encounter their boons. ||

[latent moon]

Then use their keepsakes

[clever dust]

In the diary I was told that for more information I had to take Ares' boons 30 times and Demeter's boons 30 times. But I don't have that much time. Isn't there a shorter way to do this? Or is it the save file?

[latent moon]

The shortest way to do it is probably like using a keepsake, talking to them, the dying

If you have enough nectar then it'd work

[hardy crown]

I just entered a chaos gate and you know what I wish? I wish it didn’t cause pain on entry but rather when you select a boon, with the choice of taking more than one for 25 hp each. I’d take the 75 hp hit right now and grab them all.

Also there’s been a time or two when I didn’t want any of them.

But this was a good enough roll to at least want all 3.

[mystic lark]

If you want to suffer from multiple curses at once, you can use a mod that overrides chaos spawn - that way you can increase probability of a gate spawning and remove restrictions like 'you cant enter chaos with active curse'

But the way you described mechanic sounds cool. Too bad I don't have time to go into modding, have enough coding on work days...

[hardy crown]

You know maybe just once I’d like to do a chaos boon only run but only if it spawned every time possible.

[mystic lark]

You can!

[hardy crown]

I’m not modding unfortunately. Not until I buy hades a second time at least.

Me just now: oh my choices are key and gems. Well. It takes 50 gems for a key so a key is worth more.
*Selects key
…but the reward is over 50 gems so you made a mistake there.

I mean, isn’t it usually over 50? I can’t remember.

I guess it can be over 50 with bonuses.

But maybe it wouldn’t normally be.

[mint coral]

10 gems on doors iirc?

nvm 5 lmao

[hardy crown]

Wow that’s not enough

[mint coral]

10 on skull rooms

[hardy crown]

Key it is then.

[drowsy linden]

for value, you always want to go:
nectar>key>gem

gems and darkness barely make a difference

keys do a little bit, but theyre mostly for rerolls

[mystic lark]

Hm, it's harder than it sounds. Tried two times just now, no heat, died first time on Lernie, and second time on heroes

[clever dust]

So I have to repeat this 60 times :|

[hardy crown]

I have Support Fire; Artemis Aid, Hunter Dash, and Pressure Points and I still landed Artemis in the 5 tunnels at the end. I’m just wondering what’s left worth having from her when I could swap for a random other thing?

[mint coral]

hunter's mark?

tho w/o knowing your build or what's on the other tunnels idk

[hardy crown]

I have the tempest strike on the shield 🛡️ upgraded a fair bit.

But I’ll just go for it.

I feel good about this run.

[mint coral]

pos strike

if earlier in the run I'd tell you to sell it and grab arte attack unironically

tho ig w/o good hammers it doesn't matter that much

[hardy crown]

Yarn of ariande would absolutely not apply to a pom slice I assume.

[mint coral]

lol

(but yeah, nah)

[hardy crown]

I traded into that Poseidon thing that goes boom when enemies slam walls.

End time was 54 minutes

[drowsy linden]

what harpy feather duster can do to your time

[hardy crown]

I also beat Hollow Knight a few days ago. Such a good game.

But I deleted it because it doesn’t have quite as much post game content.

[drowsy linden]

didnt look enough then

[stone rune]

i got 25h in and stopped

[brisk trail]

........

[upbeat walrus]

bro did not go to godhome

[hardy crown]

No I did. I beat up some guys on radiant.

106%

[rustic vale]

Honestly when is the Radiant 64 Heat clear happening for Hades

[hardy crown]

It’s not all the content but it was kinda close.

[latent moon]

Mysterra probably already did it

[hardy crown]

I was just short of 100 hours

Take it from me, you can do more.

If you want a bit of basic advice unspoiler. || Make sure you go through Crystal Peak until you find Crystal Dash. It’s foundational in gaining further powerups.||

And that’s really all I think anyone needs to know. The rest can fall in place.

[drowsy linden]

every powerup is foundational in getting other powerups

[hardy crown]

Hey I only have one run in the game. I could be a smidge wrong but I’m pretty sure I put in at least 15 hours not going very far. Things got better after ||Crystal Dash.||

[stone rune]

is this for me

[hardy crown]

Yeah

[stone rune]

i had crystal dash

[hardy crown]

Then I think you will be okay.

[stone rune]

i got bored

[hardy crown]

Ok fine.

Also if I were you I would use the simple key in dirtmouth.

[stone rune]

yes i did that

[hardy crown]

Because I didn’t and it was a bad thing.

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201072352218325064/1201347841986150481/image.png?ex=65c97d5d&is=65b7085d&hm=39497c60a91666abe3cfbe8f34d3c3ede530e88b286f4db4a0c49e732b14f4fc&

this is where i stopped

[hardy crown]

Anyway

If you beat the hive you get a health regen charm.

But it really has little else to offer. A separate section away from the main area has a mask piece or something.

[covert hare]

HOLLOW KNIGHT MENTIONED RAAAAH

WHAT THE HELL IS A SEQUEL

[drowsy trellis]

Hey so can you not use companions while Ares Call is active? I had the whole than setup on heroes with both of them phased but he refused to fire until my invuln was gone

[latent moon]

Than has a really long delay before he drops so that might be it

[drowsy trellis]

No like the splash and aura effects didn't start up either

[rustic vale]

Oh

yeah you can’t take any actions while in Ares call

One of the biggest reasons his call sucks

It essentially makes you into athena call minus all your regular dps

[inner field]

i did it in 40 runs

slow fuccing clap

this game is beyond beautiful in art, music, script

its like witnessing another revelation in gaming

[rustic vale]

yeah… so my question being… why only experience the art music and script for 60 hours?

it seems like a bit of a random # of hours

[inner field]

like when BOTW was released, i feel like Hades is too indie games

i usually end my roguelites after 60hrs

not true for enter the gungeon

ETG is more like 10 x 60hrs unfortunately

[rustic vale]

So

rather than

“I don’t want to play an indie game longer than 60hrs”
You meant
“My average indie roguelite takes 60hrs to complete”
?

[inner field]

yep

[rustic vale]

Ngl I would’ve never got there

[inner field]

i probably get everything i need from the game after completing the main quests anyhow

i mean what am i supposed to look forward too after 10 more runs?

olympus is not raining down upon the underworld right?

i guess im playing it for the story/campaign and not much else

i dont want to just one hit every Chamber/Encounter

[rustic vale]

Epilgoud

Not the greatest phone texter

Epilogue

The heat experience

The speed experience

[inner field]

i dont want the heat experience

im on god mode

[stone rune]

speed

[rustic vale]

getting all your work orders, completing the codex,

[stone rune]

go fast

[inner field]

idk whats under those 3 drapes either

lmao

[rustic vale]

relationship

[rustic vale]

you only get to know if you try heat

[inner field]

its fast enough by the time you enter the labryinth

[rustic vale]

Nah they’re saying pushing your own speed

[stone rune]

do this https://youtu.be/wV79r49yHfs

[inner field]

ive gotten enough relationships through the acquisition of companions....

[rustic vale]

The heat experience can be really personally rewarding because it’s hard work

[inner field]

such a fuccing tease

the script/dialogue takes too long

[rustic vale]

[inner field]

gotta wait 45minutes just to keep the story going

[stone rune]

its literally instant

[rustic vale]

20000 voiced lines of dialogue just to get skipped through

[inner field]

feels like im reading a journal that keeps buffering

its insanity

[stone rune]

i mean thats what we do every run lol

[inner field]

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-game-zagreus-guess-ill-die-gif-19123974

[rustic vale]

yeha but at that point you have all the dialgoue

[stone rune]

i sometimes get new

at furies or heroes

and once at eury

[rustic vale]

Unless you start rta running

[inner field]

god mode should have been the default then

[rustic vale]

what

[stone rune]

what

[rustic vale]

Weirdest take

It’s an optional thing if you want an easier Hades experience

Which you would turn on for any number of reasons

But I don’t see why it should be the default

Or what it being the default would’ve had to do with

20000 lines of dialogue

[inner field]

idk maybe there would be less lines

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

i heard theres a hades 2 btw

[rustic vale]

It’s on it’s way

[inner field]

im gonna buy it

but idk if im gonna enjoy it

[rustic vale]

…not really?

Godmode purely affects how much damage you take

[inner field]

the whole trailer made it look dark and not so rich in color

[inner field]

therefore quicker story, no?

[stone rune]

???

[rustic vale]

???

But why should it be the default

[inner field]

one of these is a bot

???

[stone rune]

how does that make the story quicker