h1-discussion

[stiff obsidian]

hestia

[tardy aurora]

cheers

[tepid light]

I've mostly seen the opposite, where people try their hardest to make Persephone and Hades some sort of perfect relationship

The only series I can recall which outright tries to make Hades/Persephone awful is God of War

It's not that I dislike the concept per se, moreso that I've just seen it so many times that I'm a bit sick of it

[rustic vale]

I mean most heat is = to the highest heat at this oojnt

[tardy aurora]

WAS SO CLOSE FOR THE BUTTERFLY ACHEIVEMENT BUT TRAPS MAKE ME LOSE IT

[mint coral]

There's a sheet in #h1-high-heat-strategies pins but it doesn't include modded runs iirc

[upper wolf]

well we just don't see the same stories then

valid

[tepid light]

ye

[jagged hamlet]

Y'all Hades/Persephone people may enjoy Till We Have Faces by C.S. Lewis. Probably the most interesting adaptation of the story

[grizzled current]

Can I use chaos if I'm going for a no boon run?

[mint coral]

If you only want the dialogue yeah

Any non purgable boon works

[grizzled current]

What consists of a non purgeable

Just chaos?

[stone rune]

nourished soul

prem vintage

[grizzled current]

Ahh okay

[stone rune]

sunken treasure

maybe others

[stiff obsidian]

rare crop but that doesnt make sense here

[grizzled current]

As long as I beat Hades with no boons I'll get the dialogue?

Cause there have been twice now where I was forced to get a boon but I just purge it at the end of the floor

[mint coral]

Yeah just reach dad w/o any purgable boon

[true oak]

What about

Bouldy cannot be purged

[rustic vale]

Bouldy also isn’t an olympian

He’s fine

[covert hare]

What happens if you run out of time in thight deadline

you just straight up die?

[mint coral]

5 dmg/s until death

At 1 hp you can iframe the dmg iirc lmao

[covert hare]

Wdym

[mint coral]

If you are left with 1 hp you can dash at the moment the dmg happens to dodge it

[magic cairn]

So I'm way late to the game but I just finished 200 hours on the game. My kid has gotten into the game and at 11 he is using God Mode. He can now do a full run pretty easily, but not with God Mode off. Id be really cool if everytime you clear a run it reduces the god mode by 2% so eventually you can work your way back down to a God Mode that balances your skill vs the reduction amount. Also there needs to be a way to convert Blood To Ambrose more often. Brilliant game, glad I finally picked it up.

[mint coral]

How the hell are you needing more ambrosia than blood

[magic cairn]

Once you upgrade all the weapons what is blood used for? I've also maxed all the relationships, but still need to level all the companions.

[mint coral]

I'm surprised you maxed all aspects first

[magic cairn]

The weapons were my favorite part of the game.

[autumn rose]

Hades is a real videogame

[jagged hamlet]

I like how Supergiant fans seem to be way nerdier than average gamers

[stone rune]

have you gotten the hidden aspects yet

[upper wolf]

I present to you : paradox entertainment players (don't look at the... problematic elements though.)

[jagged hamlet]

I'm not sure Paradox gamers count as human

[stone rune]

there is nobody who has more than 100 hours and less than 4000 hours in hoi4

[main glen]

is there anyway to use the meg companion against either the furies or [redacted] ?

in the back of my brain i feel like ive seen it yet i dont know how

[stone rune]

you unlock ability to use it on dad

but never on furies

[mint coral]

Redacted you need to get bouldy or skelly first

[main glen]

their companion ?

[mint coral]

Yeah

Skelly's the easiest

[warm leaf]

im pretty new to hades, when using pierced butterfly, do i have to keep it on the entire run to keep the dmg bonus? or can i use it in early game and take it off while keeping the buff

[mint coral]

Need to keep

[upper wolf]

I wonder how good it would be if you could ditch it

and keep the bonus

[mint coral]

Not much tbh

The best weapons for it use % so whatever bonus you get will end up being like an extra chaos boon

[latent moon]

Still not great since you need to rng into your build lmao

Like technically speaking if you could rng into your whole build perfectly then butterfly/mom pom would be used in speedruns at the start

But no one wants to reset for that

[upper wolf]

I was more thinking in aspho/elysium

aspho you usually take your second god keepsake, but sometimes you don't need to

[mint coral]

I mean aspho is 6 rooms

[upper wolf]

I usually go either for purse, hourglass if the well is goated, acorn or chaos egg if I'm feeling lucky

which are probably worse than the bonus the butterfly would give if you're confident on getting some good rooms

but ely might be more interesting ?

how much is the butterfly already

per room I mean

[main glen]

1%

[mint coral]

2% at 3*

[main glen]

makes sense, i dont use it at all

[latent moon]

Purse and hourglass are good, tooth/acorn for high heat is also good

Egg is sus but like if you took butterfly and the boost actually stayed then it'd be a marginal boost

[upper wolf]

Meh, getting a marginal 20% boost is probably worth considering

It's certainly not a must pick even then

But like, it's maybe viable instead of tooth/acorn, hourglass if you didn't get RD and are not on cast build, or purse if... you took it already this run, I guess.

Hourglass still probably better

But like, maybe butterfly could be taken

[mint coral]

Acorn even for speedruns is prob better cuz keeps high confidence

Also no stuns

Also dad call

[upper wolf]

oh yeah if you want dad call there's not really much competition

[covert hare]

Dad call is a good counter to underworld customs?

seems you have a guaranteed good call

[mint coral]

A good counter is just grabbing any fodder boon

[drowsy linden]

an even better counter is being boonless

[covert hare]

speaking of boonless, sisifus keepsake is good with it?

[drowsy linden]

yes

[covert hare]

or not that worth it compared to others

[drowsy linden]

free double damage

[covert hare]

i see

[drowsy linden]

the only better thing would be some funky butterfly rng

[fervent radish]

How do you dodge the scenario where you get offered two gods if you’re trying to be boonless?

[mint coral]

Often you'll get more than 1 door so just take whatever is on the other side

[fervent radish]

What if both doors are gods

[mint coral]

Also if you have 3 or less boons you'll be able to sell everything at the next purging pool

[fervent radish]

So just take something that you won’t use and then sell it

[mint coral]

Suck it up or play with fated authority and reroll away

Styx is the biggest issue

[fervent radish]

Oh I completely forgot fated authority exists

[upper wolf]

just play modded and get a 2-sack

or play unmodded and get a 2-sack

[fervent radish]

Yeah I already play modded so Styx wouldn’t be an issue

Fated authority makes sense though

[rustic vale]

It doesn’t

[fervent radish]

real

[lavish sorrel]

Just getTheRooms™️

[drowsy linden]

just get the pp crits™️

[warm leaf]

are those mini chambers in styx considered encounters?

[high solar]

yes

[stone rune]

for what purpose

[latent moon]

they count for like well items and rare crop, but they dont count for hermes plume and than's keepsake

[warm leaf]

so if i bought something from the well of charon will it wear out before the hades fight?

assuming i go through each chamber

[latent moon]

if you go through all the tunnels then always

this is assuming you're using the well right before styx

[warm leaf]

ah so i just got to hope i get lucky and get the sack in like 2 runs

to keep the charon effects

[latent moon]

if you use hourglass right before styx then i think it's doable with 3 sack?

okay sometimes it will sometimes it wont lmao

since each tunnel is 4-5 chambers so you gotta get a bit lucky with that

[rustic vale]

Most of the time no unless you use charons keepsake

[latent moon]

the only well item that you can buy that will last until dad without using hourglass are ichors

[rustic vale]

using charons keepsake does enable you to bring items bought at least as early as the well in the midroom to last to Hades if you 3 sack

[toxic trellis]

https://vxtwitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1749960210020733086?s=20

Excuse-

HUH!?

[upper wolf]

Spirits, I assume ?

I don't speak japanese

[charred igloo]

isnt it just so annoying when you are trying to get boons from certain gods and they just dont show up on your runs for the longest time that you feel like your never gonna get them

[mint coral]

zagreus in smash no way

[covert hare]

HADES SPIRITS?

HOLY BOULDY

[toxic trellis]

Yes, that’s it

[upper wolf]

it is very poggers indeed

[charred igloo]

speaking of bouldy. i find it funny how you can gift boudly Ambrosia and get nothing in return

[upper wolf]

you mean nectar ?

[charred igloo]

ya

[upper wolf]

+2% ambiguity bonus

[charred igloo]

no spoilers if any but i wonder if you keep gifting nectar that at some point you will get something

also does anyone else play on god mode becuase you just want to focus on the story line and want to try and get everything in the game?

[small creek]

Congrats on the Spirit

[desert tundra]

thats so insane

grats to Supergiant very well deserved

[covert hare]

yeah

first they get in the " games you shouldnt miss " section on the nintendo eshop

and now this

its so amazing

[upper wolf]

what's truly amazing is HOW GOOD THE GAME IS

also how good SGG is as a whole

[jagged hamlet]

Is because they're fueled by dim sum

[warm leaf]

took me 24 tries to get a singular clear with the stygian blade while it only took me 3 tries with the spear

i had to have been doing something wrong with the sword lmao

[upper wolf]

have you been using standing strikes ?

[covert hare]

SGG be like: do you wanna see me making an amazing game? hades
you want to see me do it again? hades 2

[stone rune]

i mean

it could be garbage

who knows

[upper wolf]

Me

I know it's gonna be amazing

Mystery solved

[stiff obsidian]

Thanks for solving

[covert hare]

this post was made by greek mithology haters club

[brisk trail]

.........

[slim zodiac]

Greek mythology was the Kardashians of the past

[drowsy linden]

sgg's been doing it the whole time

bastion(their first game)is an absolute banger and doesnt feel like its made in 2011

[covert hare]

Wow they made a game about bastion from overwatch

[opaque fable]

aren't all sgg games hits

at least from what i hear

[covert hare]

[drowsy linden]

idk about pyre and transistor, but bastion is doing great

26.5-27k overwhelmingly positive on steam

[mint coral]

Pyre is like the most diviside one, and is still great imo (absolutely not biased)

[charred igloo]

anyone do runs with the bow? i feel like its a hard weapon to play with buti havent done a ton of runs with it

[warm leaf]

i was using a combination of dash strikes and specials in combination with athena and ares boons. i think i get too caught up in doing combos and end up just spamming lmao

[slim zodiac]

Bow is rly good with crit

But im no expert

I honestly dislike the railgun way more

[charred igloo]

same the railgun is bad in my opinion,

its the only weapon that i havent unlocked the last aspect of yet

[drowsy linden]

dashstrike with it

and dont special

[warm leaf]

prob just my playstyle but the railgun was the easiest to use imo. first time i used it i managed to get a clear, in comparison to 3 attempts with the spear and like 29 with the sword

i will say tho that the sword is the most fun to me despite my low success rate with it

[stone rune]

its definitely not bad

[rustic vale]

As someone who has done like the majority of my runs with bow

It’s good

Just dash strike

[rustic vale]

1 aspect is good with crit

the rest don’t focus on it for most builds

[slim zodiac]

The special with hammer is good

But you have to get rng

[rustic vale]

I mean zeus just works

Rocket bomb and cluster bomb both work on their own

so does triple

it’s just comboing them together is so much better

But they do work well

And with zag rail you can go the spreadfire route instead, eris is flat damage bonzai and hestia focuses +% strike (still grabs special hammers though)

You don’t have to get rng for rail, it’s just way way better with rng

[steep condor]

rail is the only weapon i'm good at, in fact it comes so easy to me i always feel like i'm cheating?

[rustic vale]

You aren’t cheating

[steep condor]

good points about rail:

• hestia gives the game a nice rhythm, like, reload - bang - dead - reload
• sometimes when you choose the weapon, zag says "i need the rail"

[rustic vale]

Bow is the ultimate rhythm game

[finite thorn]

"in fact it comes so easy to me i always feel like i'm cheating?"
-> Exactly my feeling with ME. I feel like an impostor, not a skilled player

[stone rune]

no way me too

[finite thorn]

When people say "oh sub 10 is no joke", I'm like "well I play ME so..."

[stone rune]

sub10 is way harder on ME dem than a good weapon

[finite thorn]

Because it's not consistent but when you got the right build?

[stone rune]

it still kinda sucks

compared to good weps

[finite thorn]

So you mean I could get WR on any other weapon? 😮

(The guy taking it too seriously xd)

[stone rune]

lol maybe

but like

beo or hera or achilles or eris or hestia would all be faster

nem as well

[finite thorn]

Nemesis? Really I dont get it with the dash + attack, it never lands for me lol

While fists you dont need to target

[stone rune]

it’s not that bad

for me fists are the only wep i don’t have at least sub7 on

and i never will because i don’t want to play fists

[finite thorn]

You hurt my feelings 😦

I made one Eris run yesterday, first time rail, I didnt like it that much. But I should probably do more

[latent moon]

I mean the problem with ME on fists is the fact that it's on fists, which doesn't have a lot of versatility or extra damage

Demeter at least has like the charged upper but it takes a bit to charge it up

Compared to like nemesis, where the 30% crit chance will proc pretty often before and after you get ME for faster times

[finite thorn]

Ok I cant debate cause I havent really played other weapons

But Nemesis really Ive tried, it's hard for me to target the dash attack lol

[latent moon]

I mean most weapons have their short comings lol

Sword only has one good hammer and dash strikes need to be pretty precise ish

Spear needs a good hammer for good damage unless it's Achilles, then you need it for speed

Same thing with shield and Beowulf more or less

Except Zeus shield is good without any hammer, just slow and hard to master

[steep condor]

same, it feels like you're just... sliding around and hope to hit sth

may be a lack of practice on my part though

[finite thorn]

and dash strikes need to be pretty precise ish -> RIGHT ! So I gave up lol

[latent moon]

The only reason I haven't given up yet is because the other aspects are more mechanically intensive lmao

I still miss a lot

[finite thorn]

Is Arthur doing any good in heat grinding?

[latent moon]

My solution is using tidal dash because if I miss the dash strike then at least the dash will hit

[latent moon]

Nope

Slow swings kinda not great

[finite thorn]

Haha, I like this. "Wait Im bad BUT"

[latent moon]

Yeah exactly

[latent moon]

Elaborating on this tho
Arthur only deals good damage on the third swing (kinda second too but a lot less so) and having to build up to that takes way too long

[stiff obsidian]

Arthur is easiest sword

💯💯

[latent moon]

It's like doable but I wouldn't recommend doing fo2 with it

You can buffer swings with dashes or something so that's neat

[tepid light]

The best heat weapon, as we all know, is talos

[stiff obsidian]

Not rly

[finite thorn]

First aspect I unlocked (I dont count Guan Yu cause I unlocked it JUST to get Arthur), I was so hyped to play it! And one run later, nope.

[tepid light]

joking.

[latent moon]

Also btw if you wanna try different weapons/aspects, I'd say try any bow, beowulf, or any rail

[finite thorn]

Tried Eris first time yesterday but I dont know, reminds me of fists... Bow I wont like it I think

[latent moon]

Bow is good if you dash strike

[finite thorn]

I was also thinking about Beo next

[latent moon]

For eris did you build it right

Rails only have like 1 usable build and if you don't use it then it kinda sucks lmao

[finite thorn]

Oops

[latent moon]

Lmfao

[finite thorn]

So I took Pos keepsake first by mistake but someone told me (you? I dont remember who) that Pos first is fine

So I got Tidal Dash, later I got that Zeus attack

[latent moon]

Oh that's fine

[stiff obsidian]

That should be free

[latent moon]

As long as you get Zeus attack then it's good

[finite thorn]

Other than that, I went pretty random I have to say, I was lazy to read a guide as it was last run before sleep

[latent moon]

Starting tidal dash is a bit sus but works

As long as you get Zeus attack

[finite thorn]

Ye I had

Not early but I had

[stiff obsidian]

I should try boonless Eris 40 heat

[finite thorn]

And I died at Styx lol (I didnt really try to play well though)

Ye I guess I'll go with Beo next, just have a try

But since Ive finished my short term goals, I wonder if it's not time to complete all the useless quests? Haha

Just to get a 100% file

[tepid light]

Why not

Basically what I've been doing

[latent moon]

all the minor prophecies takes a good bit of time

namely the lyre one

[finite thorn]

Ye this. I completed almost nothing.

Im gonna run/reset for this lol, I guess tonight

[steep condor]

it feels like less when you just play it one or two times inbetween runs

[brisk trail]

........

[rustic vale]

Only 105 runs at that rate

[brave sable]

You guys see hades is coming to super smash bros? Kinda cool

[tepid light]

Good god why does Lucifer feel so awkward

[stiff obsidian]

because of the startup

[tepid light]

Getting body blocked while trying to detonate those hellfires is such pain

[upper wolf]

you can detonate them with dash, it's usually easier

or y'know, zeus. But you're passing up on % damage boons

[stiff obsidian]

% on lucifer

[upper wolf]

yes ?

I was talking about special

zeus bolts from zeus special can make the hellfires explode

you just need the enemies to be close enough to the ball to have the bolt aoe hit it

[tepid light]

So that was an interesting run
Chiron with poseidon special

Sounds bad, right? But I had sea storm, zeus legendary, razor shoals, and jolted

As well as epic lvl 3 zeus call

So my specials actually shredded pretty nicely

Could have gone very badly ofc

[stiff obsidian]

Poseidon special is how I cleared 45 heat

Imo the best option at ap0ri0

[brisk trail]

.........

[finite thorn]

I wish to officiallly apologize to the quests for calling them useless. I just got 15 titan bloods in one run lol

[tepid light]

ayyy lmao

[lavish sorrel]

Apology accepted

[lavish sorrel]

Level 0 zag rail that cannot get clockets 🗿

[stiff obsidian]

It has budget clockets which you can get in c1

[main talon]

whats a good cast for beowulf?

[main glen]

pos

[tepid light]

aphrodite

[main glen]

and aphro

[tepid light]

artemis is also fun albeit less consistent

[main glen]

dio as a cope but you should start either pos or aphro keepsake

[tepid light]

athena cast isn't bad either

[main talon]

artemis it is

[tepid light]

it's just not nearly as impressive as artemis or aphrodite or poseidon

[main glen]

and hammers like Cshot, unyielding defense, explosive return

[tepid light]

i'm not too much of a fan of dionysus cast on beowulf because you have to wait until the festive fog clears to get your casts back

though the numbers are certainly big

[main talon]

wait artemis has 2 casts

[tepid light]

?

do you mean hunting flare

[main talon]

yes

[tepid light]

beo is unique in that all casts are converted into 'flares' instead of their regular form

[main talon]

right, didn't know that

[stiff obsidian]

It's horrible

Actually

I tried it once and it has like half the aoe

[tepid light]

would you rather take something like ares or zeus cast

[stiff obsidian]

zeus yeah

[main glen]

yeah the main cast you want with beo is pos

imo

the aoe is huge + mirage shot is glitched

[tepid light]

agree to disagree then, i don't mind athena cast on beo and would much rather have it than zeus cast

[stiff obsidian]

zeus can get nutty if you get jolt, double strike and splitting bolt

even though the base damage is horrible

[tepid light]

that's a rather big if

[mint coral]

Thunder flare backstab gaming

[stiff obsidian]

🛌

[quasi dust]

Listening to the Hades soundtrack omw home

[slim zodiac]

The painful way

[finite thorn]

Bough the game 3 weeks ago, my Switch says: "played 100h or more" :/

[lavish sorrel]

why the heck are you using infernal soul on dio beo

[quasi dust]

What a banger

[steep condor]

fellow switch player high five

i have 340 or more but ~220 of these are from a year ago so high five again

[quasi dust]

I also play on switch lol

[slim zodiac]

How much is it on switch

[steep condor]

high fiveing you too

[slim zodiac]

I have a switch i havent bought any games on

Lol

[quasi dust]

Thanks

[slim zodiac]

Just sitting there collecting dust

I should prolly sell it

[quasi dust]

I got it on sale but that was like a year or two ago so idk

[slim zodiac]

Before they release the next one

[steep condor]

donate it to someone in need

[slim zodiac]

Im someone in need

Not rly

But my wallet aint lookin hot

Ill prolly sell it real cheap to a cousin or smth

[steep condor]

i was joking, it's yours, you can just sell it to the highest bidder🤷‍♂️

[upper wolf]

eat it. They said not to eat the cartridges, but they never said anything about the console itself. Yummy

[steep condor]

also talking about my hades play time it really is crazy how much better i am now with just a couple hints from people here and linked build guides

when i first played i probably spent 50 hours getting killed by meg, 50 hours getting killed by theseus, 50 hours getting killed by dad and the rest for epilogue

[finite thorn]

I bought it 12$

The worthiest 12$ Ive ever spent

[slim zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[slim zodiac]

imma check the price rn

but the switch battery life is horrendously bad tho

[finite thorn]

January 2nd was this

[finite thorn]

Yes

[slim zodiac]

i bought the newer version too

[quasi dust]

It really is

[quasi dust]

Oled?

[slim zodiac]

yeah

[quasi dust]

Mine's the original, got it on December 2017 for Christmas

[slim zodiac]

it was 2nd hand tho tbf

[quasi dust]

I'm surprised it's not dead yet

[quasi dust]

Is it good tho?

[slim zodiac]

i only played pokemon diamond on it

and it was boring

i played mario kart too

but i didnt wanna pay the monthly online fee

so i wasted 50 bucks for nth

[quasi dust]

Same here

[slim zodiac]

[quasi dust]

Ah well

[slim zodiac]

nintendo

[quasi dust]

I use it to distract any little kids the guests bring to my house lmao

It's useful

Mario kart I mean

[slim zodiac]

they got their own phones now

[quasi dust]

Eh some of them don't so I just play mario kart w them

It's okay

[slim zodiac]

[quasi dust]

My cousin has his own switch tho

Thank god

I had to give him my copy of smash bros cuz I didn't use it

Needless to say I really regret doing that

[slim zodiac]

aight i prolly wont sell the switch

and buy hades on switch

[quasi dust]

Sure

[slim zodiac]

proceeds to never play it

bad money decisions

[quasi dust]

Lmao

[void vigil]

Gotta love those

[quasi dust]

Can't relate

Ok maybe a little bit but still-

[slim zodiac]

lol

i think most can relate at least a bit

[quasi dust]

yea

[torn phoenix]

Guan you

[lavish sorrel]

Guan Me

[covert hare]

Guan they

[finite thorn]

Can I play the game please? Four starts a row without at least rare curse of agony I’ve wasted 15mn lol

I hope there will be a reset button in hades 2

Really annoying to have to get killed

[tepid light]

OH HADES SPEAR WHY DO YOU DO NO DAMAGE

WHY OH WHY

[steep condor]

t-there is a reset button

[finite thorn]

Switch unmodded?

[stiff obsidian]

play stubborn defiance

[lavish sorrel]

SD is so good unmodded

[covert hare]

There is

[lavish sorrel]

it does mean one can not always necessarily facetank dad, but it's on average faster to reset with

[covert hare]

Is called surrender

[stiff obsidian]

thats not reset, is it

[lavish sorrel]

it starts you again on the same seed

which isn't leadeboard-legal

[upper wolf]

and is also not solving your curse of agony problems

[finite thorn]

That’s the main point lol

[stone rune]

there isnt

which is part of what makes unmodded so horrendously intolerable

[upper wolf]

there is a reset button. Small issue : it does not reset

[finite thorn]

Exactly 🤣

[tepid light]

unmodded gamers rise up

[finite thorn]

My save has a big problem though

I get at least rare agony 90% of the run

Now I keep not having it wtf

[lavish sorrel]

no, the main part is Styx

I probably wouldn't complain about anyheat that much if styx and hammers had their modded behavior

oh wait I misread that

though the same could be said about any modpack feature.

"the game becomes horrendously intolerable without it"

[stone rune]

id much prefer hammer to styx

i mean

modpack could go without fountain indicator

and probably no bull isnt necessary

[opaque fable]

"quick" reset is to give up -> go to pact -> RI4 HL5 JS2 -> go die

[lavish sorrel]

agree with this

[stone rune]

i think no barge is good for fun

but its not in like the spirit

[opaque fable]

why was the fountain indicator added, anyways?

[lavish sorrel]

people at a high level would be resetting nonstop for fountain

like it would be a hard requirement

so they added it in

[stone rune]

i mean

[opaque fable]

i suppose

[stone rune]

u never reset for a fountain

[opaque fable]

it feels like turbo cheating

to me at least

[stone rune]

unless u want literally wr

[lavish sorrel]

it feels cheap, but at the same time doesn't change much, yeah

[stiff obsidian]

But after playing with it I can't imagine not having it

[lavish sorrel]

imagine playing modded for extended amounts of time anyways, couldn't be me

[raw herald]

it was added to give you more choice if you were offered more than one free room at a time, although now I’d say that it wasn’t the best idea to add it

Modded was to reduce the number of hard reset points, nobody is hard resetting for fountains

[brisk trail]

..........

[sonic hamlet]

What do you guys think the series icon for Zag's spirit in Smash will be

[ionic hemlock]

https://fxtwitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1749969017371033940
uh

this is a suprise

[quasi dust]

If only I still had that game

[steep condor]

could someone explain that spirit thing for someone who hasn't played smash since ssbm and is too lazy to google it (me)?

[sonic hamlet]

Little battles with different modifiers themed around specific characters

[rustic vale]

Wasn’t Hades already in smash

[sonic hamlet]

And once you clear that battle, you get that character's Spirit, which can provide you with buffs in other sprit battles

[rustic vale]

Or was the kid icarus Hades

[sonic hamlet]

Kid Icarus Hades

[steep condor]

so no actual hades content, just references? still cool though i guess

[rustic vale]

I mean

“Hades content” as far as a minor upgrade

[steep condor]

and great for the devs to be recognized like that

[rustic vale]

or possibly a major upgrade whether or not Zag is a powerful spirit

[quasi dust]

Let's hope he is we need the representation

I'll take any references we can get tbh

[grizzled current]

Pentarocket is disgusting

I had Artemis on special with two chaos boosts and wiped floors faster than I thought was possible

[mint coral]

Clockets moment

[grizzled current]

I still prefer hazard bomb because of funny numbers but that was definitely second

[stone rune]

i mean

clockets will be bigger numner

400 vs 240

[earnest vine]

Just brought the Yarn of Ariadne to Theseus's fight in Elysium

I gotta do that more often, I like seeing him mad (He gets special dialogue!)

[covert hare]

It would be cool if we also got a Zagreus Mii costume

[nocturne kelp]

Ok.

[earnest vine]

I hope you're forced to call Dionysus again

[nocturne kelp]

ok ok.

[earnest vine]

(Fun fact, Dionysus has friendly fire against Theseus when he's called by him)

[nocturne kelp]

ok.

[earnest vine]

You confuse me

[nocturne kelp]

tehe :3

[pastel monolith]

really? thaat might actualy be bad

wain nvm .. i was thinking if u already are using dio but i think he wont be called if ur already using him

[latent moon]

Their hp pool is too large for it to be a noticable amount lmao

Like dad pots also hurt him for 30 damage too

[rustic vale]

He can’t use any gods you have unless you have every god available

Then he defaults to artemis

[stone rune]

havent seen u around here in a while

[lavish sorrel]

(fyi sophie is doing chamber 2 dad pacifist stuffs lmao, hurting dad with his own stuff)

[rustic vale]

how do you sustain that

[pastel monolith]

ya ive taken some time off hades due to my addiction to gta online

i still do a run here and there but im not as dedicated as i once was

i miss it though

[latent moon]

God that's so cursed

Absolutely based

[covert hare]

i was confused about zagreus having an aphrodite poster since thats a naked lady but to be fair she is always naked

[rustic vale]

It’s greek art, it’s normal, trust

I’m sure Meg just loves the fact that he has it though

[covert hare]

athena,hermes,artemis and dio: HEY THATS MY SISTER WTF

[quasi dust]

LMAO

[rustic vale]

Eh

I meannnn

as someone who was read more than 0 greek myths

I don’t think that would be their reaction

[nocturne kelp]

I read greek myths ans half of the greek mythos statues have nudity lol

[steep condor]

aphrodite isn't their sister

[upper wolf]

The character designer of Hades (I always forget her name. Jay Zee ?) first thought about having all characters nude precisely to be close to greek art

[toxic trellis]

Jen Zee

[upper wolf]

thanks ~~I'll forget it in 20 minutes again ~~

[steep condor]

also, why wouldn't he have a picture of a naked lady. in fact, since playing hades i was wondering if it's possible to get that exact poster

[upper wolf]

aphrodite herself : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[warm leaf]

what does the aspect of zagreus do on the gauntlets? what does it mean by dodge chance

[lavish sorrel]

You have a certain chance of not taking damage when you get hit

[covert hare]

whats the best companion

[upper wolf]

meg

[covert hare]

why

[upper wolf]

2500 damage with an insanely big aoe

[latent moon]

considering the optimal times to use it, the damage it deals is good enough most of the time compared to mort/antos

it also drops a lot faster so it's very hard to miss

[covert hare]

bouldy is useful for farming darkness?

doesnt look like it, it only drops like a single tear

[latent moon]

you get 5 summons so that's 50 total

[void vigil]

If you get a lot of darkness buffs you can get like 30 darkness for each drop

[rustic vale]

Big part is like

Speed

Because f it’s just a measure of damage and aoe then you would take mort

But mort isn’t practical due to how long it takes to drop

[upper wolf]

counterargument : mort is 0 damage

because you already killed all enemies before it deals "damage"

[rustic vale]

that’s part of the practicality part

alongside enemies just moving out of the way

[upper wolf]

yeah that too

[rustic vale]

It’s convient to immediately start your heroes fight with 2500 off both of them

Or tear up witches

[covert hare]

using bouldy is so fun

" was that a fking boulder from the sky? "

" where the heck did that come from "

[warm leaf]

what do i do with ambrosia? i have 4 of them ive never used

[covert hare]

give them to your friends

[steep condor]

i use mort for heroes and dad's 2nd phase. he's impervious for a while inbetween and if you time it right than hits right after that

[latent moon]

i mean those are like the only situations where that's better lmao

i can see mort being better on heroes for sure, and kinda in dad fight too, but everywhere else it's not as good

[steep condor]

probably. i also just like being able to summon than more than meg though (sorry meg)

[covert hare]

you can instafinish heroes second phases

hidra final phase

and tisiphone final phase

so thats kinda cool

situational but cool

[latent moon]

idk man 3.5k damage on furies seems like overkill lmao

meg also instaphases lernie too

[mint coral]

Meg also kills lernie

Unless cp

[hexed umbra]

Is there a build for Gilgamesh that doesn't feel slow?

[stone rune]

no

[hexed umbra]

Like, idk what the design idea behind it was. "Hey, here's a damage buff with a downside. Oh, and your dash-strike now sucks ass, and you lose half your dash-special for the buff."

[latent moon]

it got like 0 play testing apparently lmao

so there wasn't really any feedback of whether or not it was good

or at least usable

[hexed umbra]

That was torture. Even on just like 5 heat. Think I'd rather bathe in Asphodel than run that aspect ever again.

[covert hare]

me if i made a game ever

[latent moon]

the only good gilga build is merciful end but that kinda just works on any melee aspect lmao

you could do dash only on gilga tho so that's neat

[hexed umbra]

For context on "feels slow": My fastest ever run is a 15:31 with Arthur, so I'm already sluggish at this game.

Gilga, with 7:00 per zone, I almost got timed out on Lernie lmao.

[rustic vale]

There aren’t any boons that will inherently fix gilgamesh’s movement or handling

But you can make stronger builds for gilga so that your run will go by quicker

[main glen]

hades has been super rough the past 2 days

never get anything good going

[grizzled current]

My fastest ever is 17mins with rail so

You're not slow

For some reason no matter how hard I try I can't clear zones faster than around 5mins/zone

[hexed umbra]

Are you playing at high-ish heat? I'm not even to 20 yet.

[brisk trail]

..........

[hexed umbra]

I've seen Zag LARP accounts, Meg LARP accounts... wasn't expecting to run into a Bouldy.

[finite thorn]

How long have you tried? I went from 20min+ to <10mn (Ok only once) in a week and Im not talented at the game

[grizzled current]

I keep going up in heat so maybe that's why?

I range from 11-19 heat depending on the weapon. I've never tried strictly a "speed run"

[finite thorn]

Then you're not trying to speedrun

Ok lol

[grizzled current]

Yeah but still, I feel like I should be going quicker sometimes.

[finite thorn]

If you want to get good at something you need to try

[grizzled current]

Yeah eventually I'll have to learn when I need to crank up TD

[finite thorn]

Ive done the opposite

Learning speedrun then it helped me a lot for heat 32

[grizzled current]

I did complete the 100% Olympian free on my first time trying it, that was a nice confidence booster

[finite thorn]

What's that?

[mint coral]

arrive at dad w/o purgable boons for funny dialogue/victory message

basically boonless

[finite thorn]

Never tried lol

[covert hare]

Headcanon: Aquiles made a PowerPoint presentation about why Zagreus is the God of blood

And they had to ban that presentation because it was actually making sense

[stiff obsidian]

hello just want to say i like eris

[steep condor]

what makesyou say you aren't "talented", how would you know?

[steep condor]

yesterday i got the pre run dad quote where he calls zag disgusting for spraying his blood at him🥲 imagining baby zag experimenting with how this blood thing works and being delighted like kids are when they figure stuff out

[finite thorn]

Im used to play on the Switch pad, Im afraid to have a less good feeling on the Xbox pad

[latent moon]

do you use joycons?

[tepid light]

I legit can't function in this game without Athena dash anymore

It's an addiction

[latent moon]

if you use procontroller then you can use that with pc

[tepid light]

And I'm not sure if I wanna break it

[latent moon]

it do be like that sometimes

[finite thorn]

Yes

Who doesnt?

[stiff obsidian]

What is a joycons

[finite thorn]

Ah no wait

[latent moon]

joycons is the thing that comes with the switch lmao

like the sides of the thing

[finite thorn]

Im talking about the round stuff to move your hero lol

[stiff obsidian]

Ah

[finite thorn]

I play Switch on my Switch, not on TV

[latent moon]

that thing's the joystick lol

[finite thorn]

Hahahaha yes, I confused

Well yes I use joysticks, since it was not the question

[latent moon]

i mean playing unmodded is fine, just dont be frustrated with how slow progress can be lol

you're playing a heavily rng dependent build with styx rng

and barge

and bull

[finite thorn]

Whats that?

And why bull

[latent moon]

barge of death

compared to the 2 other minibosses in asphodel, it's slower by like 15 seconds at least

by the time the first enemy spawns in on the barge, you can clear any other miniboss

bull is just a lot slower compared to butterfly ball

[finite thorn]

Oh yeah, I didnt get barge and got butterfly ball too

[latent moon]

you can nuke the armor off the bball with meg and dealing with the hp should take a few seconds, overall encounter is max 10 seconds

[finite thorn]

I mean, my room RNG was sick here

[finite thorn]

Even less yes

[latent moon]

bull just takes longer than that because of the phase bubble and larger health pool

[latent moon]

yeah probably

how was enemy rng tho lol

[stiff obsidian]

Just instaphase

Probably still slower

[latent moon]

yeah

because of the bubble

the bubble time is like 3/4 of the butterfly ball encounter lmao

if you do have instaphase damage then butterfly ball is just so much faster lmao

and like

you wouldn't need the hp reduction in the heroes fight for fighting bull lmao

[stiff obsidian]

Speaking of

Well not rly but

I need to get a controller to do my bow sub9s

[latent moon]

i have a controller i just dont want to use it to play bow lmao

makes my hands hurt

[stiff obsidian]

I have to play bow

Unfortunate self-made goals

[latent moon]

it do be like that sometimes

[stiff obsidian]

Only Chiron rama and hera left

[tepid light]

do i play skyrim or hades

decisions decisions

[stiff obsidian]

Hades

💯

[tepid light]

Even though I'm on a bad seed

[finite thorn]

Not sure, I know some rooms were annoying, but I dont have enough knowledge to assess this

[latent moon]

they tend to be all unarmored small units
witches, numbskulls, bloodless, blue men

blue men being swords and bow men iirc

[tepid light]

not the blue men

[latent moon]

they just trickle spawn forever, lemme see if i have a clip of that

[stiff obsidian]

Avatar 3: elysium rises

[finite thorn]

Ye I had this kind of stuff

Do you have some runs without ANY room like this?

[latent moon]

https://youtu.be/7FwuL-W4hK4?t=220

[latent moon]

all runs have that except like wr runs probably lmao

they just always happen

[finite thorn]

Ye so I guess it was standard lol

[latent moon]

but like the amount of them can depend

and room size

and if you did good spawn manips

like i've had runs where tartarus is just unarmored witches one after another

like i'd like to say i have a pretty consistent tartarus of about 2 minutes on beo, but sometimes enemy rng just sucks balls

[tepid light]

THIS SEED SUCKS AAAAAA

[latent moon]

mood

[finite thorn]

What manips?

[latent moon]

like standing in a corner and whatnot

because of how many spawn and because of trickle spawn, you need to be pretty specific with how you deal with stuff like that

[finite thorn]

Ok ye I have zero knowledge on this. Seems difficult to apprehend

[steep condor]

wait, their spawn behaviour changes according to where you stand?

[finite thorn]

You've never noticed? 😮

[steep condor]

no lol

[stiff obsidian]

It was one of the first things I asked in this server i think

[latent moon]

they spawn like within a certain radius of you

so if you stand in a corner where there's less available spawn loctions, then you'll be able to group easier

[stiff obsidian]

Lol I found it

[latent moon]

you'll see some speedrunners just dash into magma in asphodel because of that lmao

specifically that one aspho room with stairs

[stiff obsidian]

Yeah

I should start doing that

[latent moon]

by dashing way to the top into the magma, you'd ideally get enemies that spawn only on the top floor

[finite thorn]

So you read the chamber guide? Or do you have any video ressources for example?

[steep condor]

oh ok, yeah that i did notice

thought it gets more complicated than that

[tepid light]

the fact that you cannot reroll hammers irritates me to no end

[latent moon]

the chamber guide

although idr if the running into magma thing is in the chamber guide

[latent moon]

the more complicated part is which corner you pick basically lmao

[finite thorn]

Is it explained in the chamber guide? Hh. Havent read it yet

[hexed umbra]

The fact that the disco ball fits with the Elysium theme feels like a nod.

[fading rain]

Hello, I don't know if this is the right channel to ask that, when I open the synergies of Ares or Zeus, it shows the boon Vengeful Mood (the revenge synergy), but this boon can combo with revenge from Aphrodite and some others gods too, but it don't show when I open their synergies, it should be this way?
Thanks in advance

[void vigil]

vengeful mood states that your revenge boons will happen on their own, which means every revenge boon you get is included in that

[upper wolf]

vengeful mood is a duo boon. You can only get it with the prerequisites from zeus and ares. But once you have it, it works for every revenge boon.

[brisk trail]

.......

[sturdy berry]

Does the refreshing nectar also increase duo boon odds?

[mint coral]

By +10%

Same goes for yarn of ariadne

[sturdy berry]

awesomesauce

[sturdy berry]

just 5 achievments left now 🥲

[upper wolf]

Good luck !

[sturdy berry]

thank you

[fading rain]

@void vigil @upper wolf it makes sense haha, thanks for the explanation guys õ/

[finite thorn]

Guys Ive bought the game on PC, they ask if I want to play DirectX, Vulkan or 32 bit?

[void vigil]

default is good

the rest doesnt matter too much unless you encounter technical problems

[finite thorn]

Ok thanks :x

Lets see if I can do better than Switch

[void vigil]

good luck, i actually prefer keyboard and mouse

[finite thorn]

I cant even imagine how you can speedrun with a keyboard

[void vigil]

i think most speedrunners do use kbm but i could be wrong

or like, top high heat players

[finite thorn]

I will check xd

[stone rune]

speedrunners are mostly controller

heat is mostly kbm

[void vigil]

gotcha

[stone rune]

for heat zeus is generally easier on kbm

but its still probably fine on controller

[lavish sorrel]

Yeah, much depends on category

High heat is mostly kbm while pretty much all else is controller, because having more precise movement is more important if you want to bee-line it to a certain place in a room

[lavish sorrel]

Wdym, as a kbm player I can say kbm is comfy

[lavish sorrel]

This being said, something being usually better does not mean it's better by much, there are several top players in each category who play on both

For anyheat, take for example Ocke93 and Croven at some point too (playing with kb only can be called "using Croven-binds" ), who play on kbm, or for freshfile, 5cr4tc11 or me :]

[stone rune]

its not really better to a degree that makes a meaningful impact on ur results

its just preference

[granite ether]

Ain't there also some that combo controller and mouse?

(For both speedrunning and high heat)

[stone rune]

no

theres 1 person

[granite ether]

Ah okay so its less prevelant than I thought it was

[stone rune]

and idt they even do it much

ok there are kinda 2

idk if nalei does it anymore either

[tepid light]

brb making a phone call to the devil and asking how he managed to make a gd laser gun feel so horrible to use

[stiff obsidian]

dusa should be able to stun minibosses

[stone rune]

anyways

skelly sux

meg is good

[stiff obsidian]

skelly could actually usable if he didnt die instantly

i tried using him once in the heroes fight he lasted like 4seconds

[vague peak]

I don’t really focus on meta all that often.

[stone rune]

its just like

meg good

and the other ones r not that good

[vague peak]

Yeah… that’s true. Only used him against Asterius, not much effect tbh…

[tepid light]

meg's def the optimal choice but i enjoy variety so i've been running thanatos for a while now

[latent moon]

you also damage skelly when you summon him so that's funny

[stiff obsidian]

i should use mort when i try heat again

[vague peak]

Oh yeah, I only use him for encounters so… yeah that’s funny lol

[stiff obsidian]

dusa has got to be the worst one though

[stone rune]

not gonna lie i dont think ive wasted time on any other companion

[stiff obsidian]

i can see myself using skelly in late elysium rooms

[stone rune]

i equipped antos once to try 0cycle sneak with it

[rustic vale]

I filled out my compendihm for all of them so

[stone rune]

i havent even unlocked gilga or hades on my personal save

[rustic vale]

Antos is just cute too so I used him over Batty forever

[stone rune]

i just started rujnning

[stiff obsidian]

that was one of the first things i did too along with max keepsakes

no way

[vague peak]

Only when I need him in a instance though. Like Doomstone or Sneak.

[rustic vale]

Meg works just as well

the speed is nearly the same

[stone rune]

companions r for the minibosses, heroes and dad

[vague peak]

Oh, so Meg is better then… well better talk to her!

[rustic vale]

Doomstone & sneak r minibosses

[stone rune]

ik

[vague peak]

Yeah. I seriously don’t use one against Furies or Bone Hydra.

[stone rune]

https://youtu.be/En4P8C-cAbI?t=288 cant do this on any other companion

oh wow that clip sucks

[rustic vale]

I don’t remember to use Meg often enough

[vague peak]

Or Lernie… lol.

[latent moon]

lmao i was gonna say you gotta have a better 4 witches clear than that

[stone rune]

i just looked to see if it was witches

[rustic vale]

So I will end up using Meg on lernie because I know I’m going to forget and not use it

[stone rune]

that run is still insane to me

[vague peak]

Which companion should I get next tho?

[latent moon]

fair enough

[stone rune]

my 1204 is better in every single way

[rustic vale]

Meg

[stone rune]

its like the fastest ever igt in an rta run

insane damage and everything

while the 1158 was struggle af damage

[vague peak]

Yeah that’s what I figured.

[latent moon]

after meg, bouldy is probably good as well

[vague peak]

Cool.

[latent moon]

than's is decent

[stone rune]

and slower igt

[rustic vale]

Bouldy for minor gains on darkness farming

[vague peak]

Alright gtg, bye.

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1186374938333020230/image.png?ex=65c12943&is=65aeb443&hm=99d3cca5394d931c982f0aeaa54915959c044b2919389e87c1cbacd36f85a2b2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1186788407297458326/image.png?ex=65c2aa55&is=65b03555&hm=1846179a89af03da0f109043416d8a4a5015f5ecdc471bf74b8757a17755e5b3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

like

[stiff obsidian]

the more i play the more i realize the game is not as well balanced as i imagined it to be

[stone rune]

one of these has a 24s dad

and its not the sub12

[latent moon]

lmao it do be like that

[stone rune]

it was probably just menus lol

[latent moon]

i mean 6 second difference so like yeah

[stone rune]

the game is insanely well balanced for a casual playthrough

to the degree that people are on reddit saying fists are the best weapon

[latent moon]

the only thing that's not balanced is styx rng with td lmao

that's just cringe

[rustic vale]

Or chiron

Or chaos

Although tbf

Juggling casual balance and high level play balance is always a struggle

[stone rune]

i think theres only rlly 2 things that affect high level play that could be fixed without affecting the casual expeirnece

sack and hammers

cause a lot of hte other modded things are nice but not necessary

you could excuse having bad minibosses and stuff

[latent moon]

except barge

[stone rune]

bargy wargy

[tepid light]

nope alright going to bed this stupid aspect has robbed me of enough of my life today

[stone rune]

me playing zeus

[stiff obsidian]

i canot play without seeing x4 epics first boon anymore

[lavish sorrel]

I'm surprised, given less than half of your playtime if any is freshfile, where there would be no summons

[clever dust]

Hello, I have a good system. Should I choose vulkan or directx?

[stone rune]

try the default one

if u have no issues its fine

if u have issues try the other

[clever dust]

okay

thanks

[steep condor]

took a chaos curse that hurts when using attack on zeus shield w/ thunder flourish, thinking "i can just use special a couple rooms, nbd". didn't consider blocking counts as attack🥲

next room was witches circle🥲🥲

[quasi dust]

Ouch

[rustic vale]

The % of playtime that was ff for me is <0.25%

[lavish sorrel]

you've made a grave mistake

[rustic vale]

I’ve done 2 runs including my first run ever

Maybe 3

I’ve definitely had companions for longer than I haven’t at this point

But I never learned how to properly use meg and never remember too

[autumn rose]

she hits 2.5k damage in a line perpendicular to the direction zag is facing

[opaque fable]

isn't it parallel?

wait

i'm thinking of zags shoulders not his eye direction

[hexed umbra]

It's funny, because I never bothered looking it up, and from testing, I was under the impression it targeted the nearest enemy, drew a line through them and Zag, and went to work.

Not that it much matters since 90% of the time I'm using it to insta-gib a boss phase.

Or crack armor in miniboss fights.

[upper wolf]

still important for witches circle and heroes

[split vigil]

My friend who’s new to hades has a question and honestly now she’s asked it I’m wondering too - if you’ve stacked hangover 5 times but then attack with a better hangover skill that applies more hangover damage, do you have to wait for the old stacks to run down first or does it replace the current damage from the old skill?

[upper wolf]

newer replaces older

even if it's weaker

[split vigil]

Awesome thank u

[upper wolf]

so hangover dash is actively negative if you have another hangover source

[split vigil]

Makes sense

That’s what I figured first time but I wasn’t entirely sure

[stone rune]

4th barge in a row

[upper wolf]

why are you still hurting yourself jazz

[latent moon]

Tbf any second hangover source will always be negative lmao

[upper wolf]

hmm

I'm sure there's like a very niche edge case where I could be a nerd about by hm ackshualying you

but I'm too tired to think about it

so you are off the hook... this time...

[latent moon]

I mean when would any secondary hangover be good

Unless the boon is on a dead slot

But you're not using it anyways lmao

[hexed umbra]

If someone were to be a complete sweaty tryhard, and wanted a weapon/aspect to just shred through the game, what aspects would be in the running?

[mint coral]

Beo

[stone rune]

beo

[latent moon]

Beo

[split vigil]

Beo.

[raw herald]

Beo

[autumn rose]

beo!

[covert hare]

Lucifer

[fervent radish]

Talos

[stone rune]

grue

[brisk trail]

.........

[drowsy linden]

Beo

[hexed umbra]

Rock and stone? Wait, wrong game.

[rustic vale]

What does being a complete sweaty try hard have to do with this? (Beowulf btw)

Because ppl are sweat try-hards regardless of aspect

[drowsy linden]

i think they mean which ones can do well with optimization(like bow powershotting everything)

[tepid light]

lucifer deserved to be cast out of heaven

i hate this so much

[lament yarrow]

hoarding slash kinda fun ngl

i like seeing big number in my bottom right corner

like i got like 2400 walking into hades fight

thats 120 extra damage at the cost of like not much

just avoiding shops and thats like it

[tepid light]

FINALLY CLEARED

GOD THIS ASPECT IS UNPLAYABLE WITHOUT TRIPLE BOMB

[steep condor]

did he get the gun before or after being cast out?

[tepid light]

as far as i'm concerned he got cast out for being the worst gunsmith known to existence

[brisk trail]

.........

[toxic trellis]

Got the Zag spirit in Smash Ultimate
I no longer have a reason to play Smash Ultimate anymore

But it’s nice that he’s in the game at all (and to see SuperGiant recognized this way)

I will say, I’m surprised they haven’t posted about this in the announcements channel yet
I’d say this is a big enough deal to warrant a comment

[hexed umbra]

I'm kind of annoyed I didn't get the surface fish while I still could get them, since now instead of a walk through Greece, I get a message about how Zag got greased.

[lament yarrow]

its luck too also i feel

like i didn't even know there were surface fish until like my 5th clear just bc they never spawned

[untold onyx]

Panicked for a second when all the tunnels were empty since I forgot I found the sack ages ago 😂 whoops

[tepid light]

Do I detect a fellow tunnels farmer

[steep condor]

the fishing spawns move to the battle arena, you can still get them

[tepid light]

die to dad but that's ok because at least i get a better seed than this god-awful ares start
next run starts with ares as well

[steep condor]

incidentally, yesterday i noticed i don't have the common surface fish on my current file yet.

guess after the fight i'm always full of adrenaline so i almost always get the perfect catch

[latent moon]

are you doing purse start or something

[steep condor]

do me?

[tepid light]

i always do purse start

the way i like to do it is purse start just to see what i can get/buy, and then once i get an idea of what build i want to do through tartarus, i take god trinkets in asphodel and elysium

and i take a trinket that'll help me against dad in styx

[tepid light]

?

[latent moon]

ME

[tepid light]

oh

[latent moon]

the funny build

[tepid light]

yeah i could do that

[latent moon]

funny green boon

[latent moon]

to be fair, would not getting zeus attack be the reason why luci was miserable

[tepid light]

see this is why i type out things fully

because "do me" has avery different connotation than "do ME"

[latent moon]

that's why i always use caps for ME lmao

[tepid light]

oh you're perfectly right but the fun of crafting builds based on what i get from random chance is a big part of the experience for me

i'd rather have a few frustrating runs on Lucifer than end up feeling like I'm doing the exact same build each time

[steep condor]

oh my god lol

yeah i meant ME

sorry

[latent moon]

fair i guess lmao

not exactly fair to luci tho lol

luci has 1 (one) good attack boon

and everything else kinda just sucks

[tepid light]

yeah, so i learned lmao

zeus attack and triple bomb

otherwise lucifer is sad

[latent moon]

yeah

luci is just very specific

well i guess rails in general

hestia has more leeway

[tepid light]

well like other rails can function relatively fine with dionysus or demeter strike or what have you

[latent moon]

dio sure, dem sus

[tepid light]

'relatively' being the important word there

well at least i'd sooner play demeter eris or w/e than demeter lucifer

[latent moon]

funnily enough, i'm pretty sure angel cleared like 60 or 58 or something with frost strike luci

forced replace

[tepid light]

rip

[latent moon]

i think in aspho or something idk

[tepid light]

but yeah i can just do merciful end here, just gotta figure out how to do it on zeus shield

[latent moon]

throw the thing and smack thing

[tepid light]

but like do i go athena strike/ares special, or the reverse

[latent moon]

up to you

it's player preference

you also don't need the dash for it to work lmao

because like as long as the disk is out, any time you smack doom will proc

no matter if it's on the special or attack

[tepid light]

yeah

let's see how this goes

took ares special

[latent moon]

just like take the higher rarity one or if equal, take the special since that does more damage
or take the attack if you like that better instead lmao

[tepid light]

yeah they were equal rarity

and i think i feel more comfortable with ares special

[stiff obsidian]

I'm pretty sure Lucifer does better with % than eris

[tepid light]

in terms of numbers, perhaps

but in terms of ease of use/comfort? i'd much rather not

[stiff obsidian]

I mean

That's a Lucifer problem

[tepid light]

yes

that was the crux of our entire discussion

[stiff obsidian]

Yes 🙌 Lucifer sucks

[upper wolf]

zagreus spirit acquired

ssbu skill back in the gutter

fun coincidence, there was a ssbu tournament in my city yesterday. Small issue : I was legit sleeping when it was happening.

[tepid light]

Well, I'm in Styx

I've got an excellent ME build, except I'm missing one thing

Can you guess what it is

[latent moon]

the doom

[tepid light]

No

[jagged hamlet]

The mood?

[tepid light]

ME itself

Aaaand, no ME at all

Pretty sure I can still beat dad since my boons are good

But wow this is awkward

AGGH

SO CLOSE

If I'd had ME that would have been in the bag

I stg if I get Ares start again

[upper wolf]

damn I suck at hestia rail