h1-discussion

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/G-Iovk-sbe8

Ignore the witches circle one

Its outdated

[empty lintel]

okay ty

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/s49jVwc6rS8?t=542 just use this for witches

[opaque fable]

oh wait hades is just mash?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

free time

Plus the boon you get

[latent moon]

For fists it's mainly just free time lmao

[rustic vale]

There aren’t that many ways to boost your attack/special/cast by so much

[latent moon]

Not permanently at least

[rustic vale]

Just avoid js3 punishments

No obols early can also be bad

[empty lintel]

obols?

[opaque fable]

money

[rustic vale]

🪙

[empty lintel]

oh

is it worth to ever choose shop to "skip" stage?

[rustic vale]

Always

[empty lintel]

okay

[rustic vale]

If the other room is story or chaos

then you take them because you’ll get timesave and a benefit free of charge

taking hermes or a first hammer is situationally a reason to pause and decide

[latent moon]

If you're going for a low time, anything that isn't a combat will save time

[rustic vale]

And if you know the next room is the last room before the boss

It kind of depends on whether the other bonus is better then what you could get from the shop

[empty lintel]

each maze level goes up the keepsake level?

[rustic vale]

Every encounter, so every fight

[empty lintel]

good to know

[upper wolf]

oh yeah, what are the room chambers for endshop already ? 13, 23 and... idk

[rustic vale]

Can vary

[upper wolf]

without extension I mean

[rustic vale]

13/23 are right iirc

[mint coral]

13/23/35

[opaque fable]

people memorize it like that?

i just memorize boss room-1

[mint coral]

I do last combat+1

[tepid light]

I just send it and let the shops pop up where they may

[rustic vale]

I know last chamber of tart is 12, end shop of asphodel is 23, and the room inbetween ely and styx is 37

🧠

Just extrapolate from there

[empty lintel]

1 run (with 5 maze combats) whats the average of fights?

(for keepsakes math)

[mint coral]

Tunnels are 4-5 iirc with the longer tunnels being favored

[rustic vale]

4-5 👍

[empty lintel]

you guys play on controller

?

[tepid light]

mouse and keyboard here

[rustic vale]

Controller here

[empty lintel]

adamant rail seems so BAD wtf someone send me a guide

i have no idea how to do damage in this weapon

[fervent radish]

Zeus or dio on attack

Hazard bomb/cluster bomb/rocket bomb

[empty lintel]

if i can't choose the first keepsake = 💩 ?

[fervent radish]

Huh

[tepid light]

if it's a flat bonus, put it on your attack

if it's a % bonus, put it on your special

[empty lintel]

searching for a good weapon to keep spaming runs without chosing the first keepsake (im leveling it)

[fervent radish]

Ah I c

Hidden shield can work with a lot of casts

[mint coral]

Hestia can work w/o an attack for a while

[fervent radish]

Hestia rail works with a lot of stuff

Esp with fiery presence

[tepid light]

just don't do hazard bomb on eris

[fervent radish]

Ah yeah

[tepid light]

and tbh always take cluster bomb over hazard bomb imo

[fervent radish]

Unless you want a lot of I frame practice

[empty lintel]

i was with hestia oof but i choose that one that doesnt need to reload

[tepid light]

where is my mod that makes cluster bomb work with hazard bomb

[empty lintel]

looks so bad

or idk

[fervent radish]

+Battle rage

[empty lintel]

what should i press with this weapon?

more hit or

more special

or both

i have no idea

[fervent radish]

Depends on whats convenient based on the gods/boons you are offered

[mint coral]

You can still reload with delta chamber on hestia

[empty lintel]

explosive fire, rocket bomb or spread fire

on hestia

[mint coral]

First hammer?

[empty lintel]

ye

[mint coral]

Rocket

[tepid light]

^

[rustic vale]

You forgot if it’s poseidon just take dash

[tepid light]

dunno, poseidon special on rail can be funny

esp with cluster bomb

[rustic vale]

Personally I like my enemies to all get hit by each bomb

[tepid light]

i'm also biased in regards to dashes

[rustic vale]

tidal dash is where it’s at for damage dashes

You can just avoid attack/special entirely and clear fine

fine

[tepid light]

I imagine it is not too hard to guess what my favorite dash is

[empty lintel]

i think the 5 others weapons is just better for me cause no practice on adamant rail

[rustic vale]

Yeah I just wasn’t going to address it

[mint coral]

Hestia at its core is just reload > attack

[tepid light]

athena best girl

[empty lintel]

seems like i can't do even a sub 25 run lol

(if i survive)

[fervent radish]

If you’re trying to rank up keepsakes, just carry them into Styx and clear all tunnels

The rest of your run can be whatever

[tepid light]

I feel like getting used to the weapon should take priority over trying to go faster

[fervent radish]

Zeus or dio eris is pretty consistent

[rustic vale]

Nuh uh someone has clearly never picked up an arte boon

[tepid light]

simp

<--- person who adores artemis/athena duo

[empty lintel]

what about the fists?

whats the best aspect

[rustic vale]

Dem

[tepid light]

yeah, demeter

as much as love the fists, the other aspects just have too many drawbacks

[empty lintel]

sword = nemesis?

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[tepid light]

yep

[empty lintel]

i might spam sword

[upper wolf]

ok, zagshield and zagshield- (aka chaos aspect) sub10 achieved

why the hell is rush delivery so utterly broken

[empty lintel]

only 4 keepsakes missing max level finally

should be like 8 runs or so

[drowsy linden]

i have yet to get all max keepsakes and im at like 100-150 hours non afk

[mental mirage]

is csgo 2 fun?

[drowsy linden]

in this channel again?

[opaque fable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1190800419203584095/1197702097689378836/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_14.mp4?ex=65bc3a00&is=65a9c500&hm=074f9313d67c37b0d92da28853ea696e3c9b72f7a43363fe2f7c7d6210a68af7&

this game man

[latent moon]

this is what the quick reset button is for

or do a 5 god pool if the pace is good lol

[opaque fable]

i did 5 god to see if i could clutch out but asph gave me nothing

[latent moon]

it do be like that

[opaque fable]

real talk i didn't even know you could get a forced god pool in tart

[rustic vale]

Idk man

Should just hit parting shot on beo

COD parting shot

[mint coral]

just go back to an earlier patch for that

[rustic vale]

how many patches do I need to go back for COD mirage shot

[final plaza]

Huh neat I got the ending on my 100th run

[covert hare]

So if hades says court in session

Does that mean he is a judge?

Because I don’t see him having a law degree on his wall

[upper wolf]

He's a damn god, he is the law degree

[opaque fable]

god's judgement is not exactly, uh

super well defined

[stone rune]

its defined as what he says it is

[covert hare]

Sorry pal not buying it

Im playing the ace attorney games so I’m a expert in law now

[upper wolf]

well I'm an ace and I was at a tourney once, so clearly I have the upper hand

[rustic vale]

Well I’m actually Hades so yeah no

You don’t get an answer

🧠

[covert hare]

Elaborate on that

If you really are hades you should know his iconic phrase

[finite thorn]

I've tried a run or two of Nemesis after spamming Demeter. How I feel the sword is soul less now compared to the fists... Even though that was my weapon for like the 50 first runs

[desert tundra]

Arthur supremacy

[stone rune]

yeah it’s one of the best aspects for getting a very frustrating experience

[jagged hamlet]

I'd like to call for an investigation into potential biases here

[opaque fable]

sword is without a doubt the most boring weapon

[stone rune]

fists:

[finite thorn]

Fists what

[stone rune]

fists boring

[finite thorn]

Wtf

[opaque fable]

i think fists are like twice as entertaining as sword

this is my allotted hades bad opinion

[stone rune]

fists suck and are boring and annoying

[jagged hamlet]

Fists make me feel zoomy

Like when cats go crazy and dash to and fro

[stone rune]

fists are like when a cat sits down and doesnt@move

since your chamber number doesn’t move and it takes ages to do anything

[finite thorn]

I'm having the time of my life with fists

I hate the bow and rail, really

Horrible playstyle

[opaque fable]

This is the bad take of all time

Jk

[stone rune]

the cool part about bow and rail is that u can go moderately fast

well

less so with rail

[opaque fable]

The hestia in question

[stone rune]

hestia wr is like 519 or something

it’s fast but it’s not top 3

[opaque fable]

Fair unmodded is a fake category

[stone rune]

unmodded has rama as like 4th

it is not real

[opaque fable]

I can't imagine speedrunning unmodded now that i have the modpack

[finite thorn]

Omg are you the Jazz

[stone rune]

wat

[opaque fable]

Bruh

Lost in the sauce

[static shoal]

both are ass but fists are more ass

[jagged hamlet]

https://tenor.com/bJZ4a.gif

[desert tundra]

I'm never biased

Arthur is simply the best aspect in the game

factually correct

[latent moon]

arthur is definitely the best aspect in the game if you want to play arthur

[stiff obsidian]

arthur is theo nly aspect named arthur

[tepid light]

arthur excellent, fists amazing

both are highly effective options for speedrunning

[jagged hamlet]

Especially Arthur

[tepid light]

Arthur is the best speedrunning aspect, as we all know

[stiff obsidian]

It's quite hard

Actually

[desert tundra]

[olive mantle]

How hard do you guys think fresh file is compared to heat?

[tepid light]

depends on the heat level, i'd imagine

[sour fog]

the fact that you're limited to sword and one dash sucks a lot

[void vigil]

No mirror, no hammers and only a few specific gods show up

[tepid light]

though you do get a bit of unique dialogue if you get to dad on your very first run

[olive mantle]

I tried today cuz I wanna switch to hellmode and died to Meg on first try. After 5th time still havent got to Styx

[autumn rose]

being offered 3 swaps shudnt be possible

max 1

jus gimme my arty legendary man :(

[upper wolf]

the more you try to optimise playing the game, the more you see all the jank inside

still 10/10 tho

[stiff obsidian]

Will not forgive for sack tho

If there's 1 reason I play modded it would be to avoid the horrible non-2-sack

[lavish sorrel]

45 to 48 for off-meta aspects, probably 55 for meta aspects

Very different though, fresh file is more decisionmaking-, precision- and positioning-based while high heat's difficulty comes from fast-paced combat and RNG hell

For reference, ANY fresh file run can be beaten if the player if good enough. There is no time limit to stop you from playing fights slowly.

You don't get that luxury in high heat.

[stiff obsidian]

you do if you play it wrong enough

ri4 td0 strats 😎

[lavish sorrel]

Ok fine TD0 pacts exist, but that just ramps up the fast-paced hell exponentially

Oh and need I remind that benefits package doesn't exist in fresh file

[stiff obsidian]

😌

[lavish sorrel]

No more getting screwed by speeder shielder numbskulls, or speeder slugger greatshields

[stiff obsidian]

hitless freshfile when

[opaque fable]

Cloner homing witches

[lavish sorrel]

Nitrostarch has done fresh file damageless (which isn't quite the same as hitless but close enough)

[stiff obsidian]

freshfile boonless damageless when

[stiff obsidian]

what no hades 2 does to an mf

[finite thorn]

I've just watched a fresh file speedrun, the guy finished in 42.00. Worst RNG ever, poor guy had to take Artemis attack in the middle of Elysium cause he didnt drop a single Ares xd

[lavish sorrel]

YEP the speedons run is well-known for that

[finite thorn]

Oh that's exactly this one

Are you French?

[lavish sorrel]

I am.

[finite thorn]

Me too haha

[lavish sorrel]

I am one of nitro's VIPs

[finite thorn]

I didnt know this guy before today

Still pretty new in Hades (less than 2 weeks I bought the game)

[stiff obsidian]

nice progress for 2 weeks

[finite thorn]

11.47 PB and 13 heat at the moment.

[lavish sorrel]

And yet already speedrunning

[finite thorn]

I slept 4h less every night since I got the game xd Lucky I have to go to work otherwise I would have played much more haha

[finite thorn]

Because it's so fun. But I make a break, I want to grind heat levels now

[stiff obsidian]

relatable i think i played 10h a day when i goti t

[lavish sorrel]

YEP

One of the three reasons I could understand for one to play modded

[stiff obsidian]

I think first hammer is also justifiable

Some aspects just don't work without specific ones

[finite thorn]

Fists dont need it. Well the armor piercer is great but can do without still

Others are so so I guess

[opaque fable]

Fist hammers suck

In the sense that they don't change your gameplay

[finite thorn]

You cant say that for the armor piercer

[finite thorn]

Oh true this

[stiff obsidian]

Heavy knuckle 🧌

[finite thorn]

Btw I think I will switch my game to english at some point Im sick at googling the english names when I talk here haha

[stiff obsidian]

Yeah majority of resources are in English i think

[opaque fable]

Meanwhile i think most rail and bow hammers change things up

[finite thorn]

My knowledge for anything other than fists is below 0

[stiff obsidian]

Rail is just fists but better

[opaque fable]

Eris moment

[finite thorn]

How come? Gameplay looks totally different to me

[opaque fable]

Actually i think fists beat rail in terms of ME

[stiff obsidian]

Building to ME sure

[opaque fable]

Rail is a melee weapon

[stiff obsidian]

Once you get it it is identical

Except better hammers and aspect bonuses

[opaque fable]

Hammers are way way better

[finite thorn]

How do you use your special with rail ME

[opaque fable]

Clockets are a ggnoobs angle

But even then rail hammers are nutty

[opaque fable]

You kinda just wait for ddash

Or get rocket

[finite thorn]

I think next weapon I'll go after fists will be shield

I was interested with Zeus shield but seems to be sh*t for speedrunning

Meanwhile, 12 of the top 20 WR are beowulf lol

[opaque fable]

Zeus is for high heat

Beo is for speed

[finite thorn]

Didnt check Beo gameplay yet, is it fun?

Cause Zeus looks really fun to me hh

[opaque fable]

Im not the best judge for that

[stiff obsidian]

Anything can be fun

Try everything

[opaque fable]

I have fun when im destroying bad guys

Beos good at that

[main glen]

beo is a little complicated at first, ive been trying a few runs with it and its a completely different weapon

[upper wolf]

@devout terrace inb4
(is it ok to ping you for memes like that ?)

[devout terrace]

eh idc

you can mention my name without pinging me

lol

[upper wolf]

yeah, just thought you might be in on the joke ^^`

[finite thorn]

Guys I've completed work labors (I think?), do I still need to keep diamonds for anything other than trades? Cant see any use for it now

[lavish sorrel]

there are the several music tracks to unlock later down the road if you haven't bought those yet.

they're just cosmetic though, don't have a gameplay effect mid-run.

[finite thorn]

Do you know how many I should keep approximately ?

[lavish sorrel]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

a lot I don't know the numbers

[finite thorn]

Ah a lot

Then I keep hh

[lavish sorrel]

but the most expensive tracks cost 5 diamonds iirc

[finite thorn]

I just have like 10

I just made my heat 12 and 13 runs. Will complete 14 15 16 today if not too lazy hh

[opaque fable]

most expensive tracks are 5 diamonds

but it's just unseen ones and in the blood iirc

don't ask why i have this random knowledge

[steep condor]

just did merciful end fists again, wondered why athena refuses to give me divine dash only to notice right before styx that way back in tartarus i already took another dash during a lapse in cognitive ability

[opaque fable]

just swap dw

[stiff obsidian]

true

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1185645806091518042/Screenshot_2023-12-16_at_11.23.36_PM.png?ex=65b547b4&is=65a2d2b4&hm=7e8471f4bf45b3abc7464f009ecce3260b8df3ba081f43d002887e1f2d2b104c&

just get it

[opaque fable]

is ap2 required for 50 heat

looks giga awful

[stiff obsidian]

ri0 ap2 or ri1 ap1 or ri2 ap0

or ri0 ap0 em4

assuming ur aspect can handle dc2 btw

[opaque fable]

i would unironically pick em4 over the other 3 but i'm not a high heat gamer so

[stiff obsidian]

if no dc2 then probably ap2 ri1 or ri2

[stiff obsidian]

most aspects dont need more than like 2 boons and a hammer and modpack gaurantees atleast 2 of those

[opaque fable]

fair enough

i just don't like my choices being restricted

[stiff obsidian]

i hate it too

but the other option is ri which doesnt let you have options at all

☹️

[opaque fable]

true

i just know my limits and that is that 45 heat might be the highest i'll ever go

[stiff obsidian]

and after a while you started finding happiness in finding the boon you want not crossed out

[stiff obsidian]

i think eris can manage 50 without ap

[covert hare]

The Gods of Olympus have dialogues for secret aspects like

“ ooh that’s the weapon some guy it’s going to use in the future “

And like

How do you know that?

The fates told them?

[opaque fable]

probably

[covert hare]

Aren’t the fates ctonic?

[opaque fable]

they tell people stuff all the time iirc

[steep condor]

yeah they seem quite chatty, or maybe they hand out a lot of those lists

[covert hare]

Wonder if people pay for it

I wonder how does telling information of the future doesn’t affect said future

[opaque fable]

greek literature is full of people hearing prophecies of themselves, trying to subvert them, then fulfilling them anyways

the odyessy is probably the most famous example

[covert hare]

Zagreus

Even tho he does them for the reward

[finite thorn]

Okkk todays grinding session over. Went from heat 11 to 16, really easy. Tomorrow will go up to 20 for all rewards of the fists. And then I’ll either practice speedrunning or heat 32

[main glen]

64 heat or nothing

[steep condor]

why is battie considered better than mort? because meg's quicker?

[mint coral]

yeah

the dmg is enough to remove the armor of most minis too

there's entire set ups to hit the mini bosses with meg

[golden mica]

[finite thorn]

I don’t know how hard is 32 compared to 16 but 16 is really no challenge at all

[upper wolf]

yeah, meg deals 2500 to multiple enemies. Than deals 3000 to absolutely no one because they had time to die from old age in the meantime. I guess it's thematic.

[mint coral]

32 is spicy any heat

[upper wolf]

yeah

[opaque fable]

thing with heat is that it's got a scaling curve

[finite thorn]

What do you mean

[mint coral]

but tbf with how the game work you can make it really hard if you go crazy with what pacts you take

[upper wolf]

it's harder, but not to the point you need to change much to your gameplay

[opaque fable]

32 heat is more than 2x harder than 16 heat

[finite thorn]

I think 20 will be easy for me. Let’s see above hh

[stiff obsidian]

You mean less

[opaque fable]

my 20 pacts is like fo2 em3 td3 mm

which is like the bare minimum

cranking up forces you to play like uc, hl, lc, etc

[upper wolf]

32 is not too hard. It's not easy, and you do feel the difference with 16 heat, but it's only considered the baby stage of high heat, which is the real hard mode

[opaque fable]

if only i were skilled enough to go past 32 😔

[stiff obsidian]

You are

You just don't know it yet

[opaque fable]

i wonder what weapon i'd even use to push 40 heat

maybe eris

[finite thorn]

I don’t want to make it really hard I just want to succeed and show off haha

[stiff obsidian]

Eris and hestia are easiest imo

Beowulf if modded

[mint coral]

considering you are already reading guides you'll be fine

[opaque fable]

32 isn't too hard tbh

[mint coral]

if you wanna see what I mean check reddit sometimes lol

[opaque fable]

i did it like 2nd try

it might take some getting used to if you crank lc4 + stubborn

[mint coral]

you'll see wins with routine inspection 2-3, ap and etc.

[opaque fable]

fr

i will see pacts with like js3 cp2 hl5 td0 and like

why

[stiff obsidian]

Does strong drink full heal if u have lc3 on?

[finite thorn]

Ok so tomorrow heat 17-18-19-20 and I’ll try 32 to check how it is

[opaque fable]

gut instinct says strong drink is 25% on lc3 but don't take my word for it

[mint coral]

I assume just 25%

but why would I be on lc3

[stiff obsidian]

I got my friend to jump 0-4-10-20-24-28-32

[mint coral]

~~don't look at my first 32 ~~

[finite thorn]

I go 1 by 1 till 20 for titan blood and ambrosia

[stiff obsidian]

Yeah I did that too

My first 32 was my 87th clear

[opaque fable]

i tried doing that as well but it was annoying to keep swapping pacts

so i just cranked to 20 and held there while i memed around with different weapons

i wonder when i'll get around to playing sword for bounties on my clean save

[finite thorn]

Me I will never know cause I made a lot of resets to unlock stuff

[stiff obsidian]

Wdym

Reset what?

Oh

[main glen]

he said 87th clear, resets dont count as clears

[finite thorn]

Oh clear

Let me check how many cleats I have

I guess 30

[main glen]

i got around 15 but none on the spear

i despise the spear

[opaque fable]

if achilles didn't exist i think i would have 0 clears on spear

[finite thorn]

23 clears

2 with sword 21 with fists

[rose roost]

u should try maxed Guan yu with charged skewer

it's kinda like weaker hestia

[finite thorn]

Including 17 from heat 0 to 16 and 6 for speedrunning training

[opaque fable]

gy is annoying but i'll give it another shot

see if i can't clear 32 modded

[rose roost]

It's pretty good kinda gets a bad rep due to -ve health and being hammer specific

I def prefer it over Achilles I'f you're going for 32

[finite thorn]

Gy=?

[main glen]

guan yu

[rose roost]

Gyan yu

[finite thorn]

Ah

[upper wolf]

weaker hestia with a lot more risk

I still don't understand why SGG did guan yu so dirty

Same for serrated point

[true oak]

special has better boons though so it's not too much weaker

[rose roost]

Guan you for some reason has like 3 gimmicks lol

[tepid light]

you feel my pain

[true oak]

it is very hammer dependent but modded is ok i think

[upper wolf]

yeah but you don't have rail special, you need to fill with dash strikes

it's also slower

[chilly gorge]

Is there anything specific I need to do to get cursed slash with the sword?

[opaque fable]

tbh if i'm playing gy i'm forcing super spin

[tepid light]

waiting for a certain person to jump in and start defending guan yu

[upper wolf]

nah

[mint coral]

get lucky

[upper wolf]

wait

lemme check if there are incompatible hammers

[mint coral]

cursed isn't block by anything

even arthur gets it

[upper wolf]

nah it's not blocked

[chilly gorge]

It's literally the only thing I'm missing from the profecies

[upper wolf]

it's just RNG

do you take 2 hammers everytime ?

[rose roost]

rng dependant

[mint coral]

I think getting it from anvil also counts

[upper wolf]

oh yeah, can also anvil if it appears

[rose roost]

maybe pick an aspect that has least hammer options(idk which one that is)

[tepid light]

all these talks about mods but all i want is a mod that makes guan yu something else

[rose roost]

it's good as it is I'd prolly remove the weird attk pattern tho

[true oak]

i got my spear heat record on gy

[mint coral]

sword doesn't have anything that has less hammers

[rose roost]

welp

[tepid light]

i just personally hate it, it can certainly be strong

[mint coral]

as a joke play with ap2

[rose roost]

fair

[mint coral]

you'll get forced into cursed trust

[upper wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

[stiff obsidian]

I was trying pos sword earlier

Options were cursed slash dash Nova and world splitter

[twin pier]

Hi!

[tepid light]

rip

[rose roost]

hulo

[upper wolf]

world splitter 100%. It does nothing. The other two harms you

So in the end, the game was kind to you by giving you an obvious correct answer

[stiff obsidian]

World splitter forces a chop after dash strike i think

[tepid light]

theoretically i'd be perfectly fine with dash nova in general if it didn't mess up your muscle memory so much

[upper wolf]

it doesn't

you can keep dash-striking all you want

[twin pier]

I defeat Hades for the first time yesterday, with bow. I would like to learn more about other builds because I'm liking the game, which one is your favorite in general?

[mint coral]

is flurry that forces a slash after the dash strike

[main glen]

world splitter with a crit build + chaos attack is very funny

1k+++ hits

[upper wolf]

I love high heat zagsword world splitter

[stiff obsidian]

:dread:

[twin pier]

[main glen]

when you get asterius mini with this build its so enjoyable to hit 1k

[chilly gorge]

Bow was my last, still find it difficult

[stiff obsidian]

Personally I'd rather hit 1k per shot from across the room

[rose roost]

https://www.leereamsnyder.com/hades-build-guide

[main glen]

i love the sword the most, followed by the shield, bow, rail, fist, spear but its all subjective

[rose roost]

if you want even more specific guides on aspects most of them are on speedrun.com/hades

[twin pier]

oh really? It was easy for me with the upgrades of Zeus, Artemis and Hermes sprint

[tepid light]

my personal favorite is unkillable arthur, aka arthur with aphrodite strike, athena dash, and various boons like different league, broken resolve, and bronze skin

[opaque fable]

bow and rail can be tricky for beginner players due to their unique playstyles

[stiff obsidian]

Sounds like arthur 50 build

[opaque fable]

bow really wants you to always be dash striking

[twin pier]

ty

[tepid light]

i remember the very fist time i played hades, i went right from fists to bow

quite an unpleasant transition

[tepid light]

it's glorious

[chilly gorge]

Athena dash > all others imo

[twin pier]

I haven't unlocked that aspect yet. But sounds good

[tepid light]

watch out, the poseidon dash fans are gonna come out

[mint coral]

As someone with 10 40 heat wins-

[tepid light]

it's very fun imo

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1193466104459304960/image.png?ex=65b60b6c&is=65a3966c&hm=4238d147fd7c1029bdaf36a3faeee40907980b4864265abef3fa68b7ccab8c1b&

[tepid light]

beautiful

[stiff obsidian]

My only sword 50 because the other swords suck

[tepid light]

nemesis intensifies

[stiff obsidian]

Nemesis more like nemesuck

😤

[tepid light]

damn

gottem

[opaque fable]

i like how sr.c has no chiron guide

[broken holly]

Hello, could anyone tell me if the night and darkness prophecy takes too long? Is there any indication that the dialogue about repairing the portal in the administrative room is getting closer?

I've been trying for a long time to do it

[latent moon]

Because if you wanna go fast then you don't pick Chiron lmao

[stiff obsidian]

I do Chiron next

[opaque fable]

Ik i just thought it was very funny

[latent moon]

Have fun

[stiff obsidian]

Probably do the same as zagbow

Re set for Rd then tdash shoals

Call

[opaque fable]

i think i'll take a break from speedrunning and try to get 32 heat all weapons/aspects

[lavish sorrel]

Tbh just use oshimia's zag bow guide

[steep condor]

i think it's random, like a lot of things. assume you already got both their hearts as full as possible?

noticed that green extreme measures lernie just launches half her eggs (?) into the lava. love it

[broken holly]

y

Nyx already mentioned that they should meet, she said she didn't want Zagreu to ask her more about the subject, but after that, no further dialogue about it, just the chaos he talked about her.

[steep condor]

i think you have to give them nextar until the locked heart is reached to unlock the favor. after that, you just have to be patient and talk to both as much as possible

how many runs has it been with no progress regarding that?

[void vigil]

Do you have nyx at 5 hearts and have you already done another reunion quest?

maybe chaos hearts too

[broken holly]

i have both in 6 hearts

But I haven't written the epilogue of the story yet, is that necessary?

[broken holly]

Some I would say more than 12

[void vigil]

No, epilogue is not necessary, you can do it at any time

But I think you need to do either sisyphus or orpheus’ quests first

[broken holly]

I've done them all

[void vigil]

Gotcha

[broken holly]

The only one missing is precisely this one from nyx and chaos

[void vigil]

Not sure then, maybe you do have the dialogue queued up or you’re missing something I can’t think of rn

[broken holly]

I was starting runs and was killing myself to start the dialogues with nyx and chaos but nothing so far so I went back to playing normally and finished the epilogue

[sterile crystal]

What's yalls favourite type of bread

[chilly gorge]

Jalapeño bagel

[sterile crystal]

Sounds spicy

[upper wolf]

Phew, Chiron sub10 finally achieved. The last run was actually pretty enjoyable despite not going for tdash

[stiff obsidian]

what did you use

[stone rune]

hasnt used tdash alert

[stiff obsidian]

any blade dash fans

[stone rune]

i had typed 'hasnt used tdash or blade dash alert"

but thought better of it

[upper wolf]

Artemis special as first boon, then my AOE was mostly... Vengeance effects, triple shot and traps

[stone rune]

because blade dash sx

[upper wolf]

Blade dash is good but suffers from not being tidal dash

[stiff obsidian]

idk man it does damage without sending enemies to the next decade

[upper wolf]

Double the AOE and we can talk

[tepid light]

athena dash

[stiff obsidian]

let hunting blades work on it then itd be cracked

[upper wolf]

tbh passion dash has the same issue

[rustic vale]

Passion dash has the benefit of weaken

[stone rune]

the black metal in question

[tepid light]

in all seriousness, tidal dash is great as well but i'm just too used to divine dash and find myself shoving my face into projectiles because i forgot i'm not using divine dash on a particular run

[upper wolf]

Yeah... Once you get it

[stiff obsidian]

im too used to delta chamber so i find divine dash completely redundant

[upper wolf]

Blade dash becomes so much better with black metal it's insane

[upper wolf]

Ascended

[tepid light]

i'm actually curious as to how those overlap in your experience

[upper wolf]

They both give iframes

[stiff obsidian]

safe dash

ddash doesnt give iframes

[tepid light]

delta chamber gives iframes?

[stiff obsidian]

yes

[rustic vale]

Yeah

[tepid light]

huh

well, i learned something new today

i guess i don't play rail nor use delta chamber enough to have known that

[stiff obsidian]

@coarse jackal here developed a delta chamber handicap cant play without it

🤔

[rustic vale]

Gosh what does he do for c1 then?

[tepid light]

that's how i feel about divine dash and sure footing at this point

[rustic vale]

I’ve developed an sd handicap

Turns out throwing yourself at enemies/magma to reset your sd doesn’t work when you’re not using sd

[tepid light]

lmao

sounds about right

i can't imagine myself consistently using stubborn defiance tbh

mostly because of em4

[rustic vale]

I don’t turn it off for speedrunning because it takes too many actions to check mirror

and I almost always play 32+ heat so

[stiff obsidian]

dont u check mirror anyway to swap high confidence

[rustic vale]

I’m not good enough for that to be on my mind

I say “speedrunning” with my single sub 10

[stiff obsidian]

with xagbow?

[rustic vale]

Zag bow

[stiff obsidian]

with a better aspect you would be able to do sub9 or 8 easily

[rustic vale]

I never went out of my way to learn hera and it feels wierd throwing in extra actions

And I don’t think I need to use a better aspect to get better times bc if other people can get good times with any aspect

Then I should be able too

[stiff obsidian]

wdym

everyone gets better times with aspects better than zagbow

[rustic vale]

Yeah they do

But other people also get better times then I do with zag bow and worse

Better aspects = faster but I should be able to get decent times with what I like to use

Not that I’ve really even touched speedrunning since coming back to Hades though tbh

I’ve been almost singlemindedly running high heat when I have the time

[tepid light]

i remember when one of my friends participated in one of the 'official' speedrunning 1v1's a while ago

those were fun to watch

[rustic vale]

The what?

Imagine popping up for a speedrunning 1v1 and you end up again croven

[tepid light]

It was something they did where two players faced off each other trying to get better times using the same seed

[rustic vale]

Did you friend have much speedrunning experience?

[tepid light]

FoxHope

[rustic vale]

His last uploaded runs were like 3 years ago unless speedrun.com is lying to me

[tepid light]

Possibly

[rustic vale]

Doesn’t necessarily mean they stopped running though

[tepid light]

I just know he enjoys the game a lot and is to some extent well known around here

[rustic vale]

Probably by EA players but there aren’t too many still kicking around

[tepid light]

Unfortunately yeah

@manic bobcat

[rustic vale]

1st in EA 42 heat

[tepid light]

A true legend

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1198030001245798522/2827A1A3-025F-4A80-B904-3943246F542C.jpg?ex=65bd6b62&is=65aaf662&hm=eb554cb8801f4d16db294c3b29bc15f3e71b2e2603b8cf27c23d266964cb3d93&

You and me both Speedrun.com, you and me both

Oh dang 40 heat unseeded unmodded hasn’t changed in 2 years

[manic bobcat]

nah that's a "fake" speedrun
I did get the highest time
but at that moment, the goal was to beat the highest heat

the scoreboard could not reflect that which is why it's archived

basically it's a pretty mediocre run that just happens to be fast when the goal wasn't entirely to be fast
hope this makes sense lol

[rustic vale]

So it being the fastest run @ the highest heat completed was just like coincidence?

Or it was just too much work to keep updating the website when new highest heats came out or

[manic bobcat]

more or less yes.
I think there isn't an option for the website to sort by heat, only speed (I mean it's called speedrun.com lmao) so mine ended up on top

basically don't trust the archived stuff, 1.0 is where the real competition is haha

[tepid light]

teach me to be as good as you, blessed fox

[covert hare]

Hades in the speedrunverse watching his son absolutely dominate his defenses on the first try:

[normal saddle]

"Father If you'll excuse me, I'll just-" Sound of large abusive noises and every possible enemy dying in the background.

[stiff obsidian]

real

[drowsy linden]

time to do a blade dash only gilg run

[stone rune]

keep it that way 🔥

[stiff obsidian]

😹 😹 👎 :

[stone rune]

blade dash sucks

its kinda good

but like

it sucks

[quaint jay]

At least we can agree it’s better than pash dash 💀

[sage sphinx]

Wait wait wait

Pash dash is kind of okay

Demeter dash is the pits tho

[latent moon]

They both kinda just suck

Passion dash only exists for heart rend zag bow and Mistral dash only exists for pstatus passion beo lmao

They both suck at what they do tho

[opaque fable]

i am a tdash truther now

holy moly this boon does so much damage

[rustic vale]

To balance out the force we need a support fire preacher now

[fervent radish]

It’s nice on eris ig

Better than exit wounds

[random ridge]

how do yall make aspect of Arthur work

[stone rune]

you dont

[opaque fable]

Shadow slash + aphro strike

Otherwise it's a go home angle

[latent moon]

Or double edge and just dash strike only lmao

[stiff obsidian]

Merciful end

[random ridge]

cool

tysm!

[random ridge]

what's that mean

[opaque fable]

Return to house of hades

There is no escape

[random ridge]

lol

[opaque fable]

[random ridge]

true

[desert tundra]

big damage, crits with heart rend/backstab is pog

dont listen to the nay sayers, they are non believers of the way of Arthur

[rustic vale]

Cultist who can’t face reality ^

Real gamers use zag sword instead

[random ridge]

I see you name yourself in his likeness

[desert tundra]

Arthur is the true king

[desert tundra]

Zag sword full speed build

[rustic vale]

Real

[rustic vale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/979424462074167376/flurry.mp4?ex=65bbca1c&is=65a9551c&hm=ed3af29377fc606e9ae924dc96ba9adff663a2468ba22b3f5aac0398ecd7bf1b&

[desert tundra]

Hades if it was Vampire Survivors

[rustic vale]

Tbh it’s either building Merciful End or like Smouldering Air

Smouldering Air w/ aphro strike and zeus call gives you consistent dps regardless of weapon so you can deal w/ how slow arthur is

And merciful end is just merciful end

Crit arthur is certainly an option as well

[stiff obsidian]

boonless shackle

[random ridge]

👍👍

[stiff obsidian]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/955723583714365480/1132551529191198730/image.png?ex=65b5ec4e&is=65a3774e&hm=5be71ad94fdc569985c013aec536912ebc35a72b1788f11c3e4001c9abb91582&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1872&height=1170

i found an old run of mine

[steep condor]

i read in ask supergiant that there's supposed to be a theme to the hidden aspects. i get that in some way, the stories of the hidden aspects or those wielding them have similarities to zagreus' story...

but what is the theme?

[latent moon]

They're from other mythologies

And they're all "hit slow but hard"

Or at least they're supposed to be lmao

[steep condor]

#ask-supergiant message

was referring to this post. them being from other mythologies is a givenand how they work is a gameplay thing rather than theme from a writing perspective

[quaint jay]

Demeter cast is the best cast

Change my mind

[tepid light]

you're wrong

boom, mind changed

[opaque fable]

Dem cast is unironically the worst

Crystal clarity is required for it to deal any damage

[tepid light]

i take dem cast just to have something to use my casts for when running a non-cast build

literally just place down the turrets and forget about them

[tepid light]

this is just my off-the-top-of-head speculation, but each of the heroes from the hidden aspects seem to have met some manner of ignoble end, or otherwise had a troubled relationship with death in general

Arthur died to his own traitorous son as his kingdom crumbled around him, Guan Yu arrogantly underestimated his opponent and was outmaneuvered and killed for it, Lucifer obviously fell from grace due to his own pride, Beowulf tries to fight a dragon alone and gets mortally wounded, Gilgamesh goes on a long, painful journey to achieve immortality that ultimately ends in humiliating failure, and Rama (in some versions of the tale) committed suicide after his wife dies of sorrow because he condemned her out of distrust

[quaint jay]

You got me

[opaque fable]

Dem casts are quite literally worse than zagcast

Since they do no damage and can't stick

[quaint jay]

Wtf they do way more than zag cast

They melt

Like a more accurate ares cast

At the price of damage

[opaque fable]

The enemy steps a meter to the side and you lose all damage

As the beam rotates at 1 degree per hour

[quaint jay]

Yeah so you line yourself up into the laser

So the enemy only moves identical to it

[opaque fable]

That's way more effort than just sticking bloodstone for 50% attack and special damage

Probably less damage overall as well unless you pom the heck out of cast

[quaint jay]

Ok I think I just realised smth

Pr much Everytime I’ve picked up dem cast it’s been epic rarity or above

So I do ac put poms into it (and other corresponding boons etc.)

But if you’re not actively enhancing it with the supporting dem boons then yeah

[opaque fable]

Dem cast rarity doesn't matter

[quaint jay]

It sucks balls

[opaque fable]

Its like

8->10 common to epic

[quaint jay]

Gives more dps per sec doesn’t it

[quaint jay]

Yh bc dps is so op

[opaque fable]

It's like 2 poms of difference

Most hangover boons get more value out of rarity iirc

[stone rune]

hangover scales well with poms

meme beam sucks

[opaque fable]

Meme beams require crystal clarity in the same way doom requires ME but for like 1/3 of the damage

[tepid light]

Not sure if I'd go so far as to say doom 'requires' ME

Doom can still do some pretty funny numbers by itself

[opaque fable]

True enough

Which makes dem look even worse

[quaint jay]

Crush shot though

[opaque fable]

Hera moment

Either that or 200% gamer

[finite thorn]

Let's goooo heat 20 cleared

Now I wonder if I'll train for heat 32 or for speedrunning. I'll do both, not sure which one I wanna start with haha

[devout terrace]

both

[stone rune]

at the same time

[finite thorn]

Haha no

Maybe i'll start with sub 10

[opaque fable]

32 heat speedrun cat

[finite thorn]

Or maybe I'll do 1 or 2 runs at heat 32 just to check how hard it is xd But I need a rest now. It's so long to go to 20 one by one even though I first tried all (except for 19 that I failed like 4 times for some reason)

[stone rune]

nice cat

i wonder who has the modded wr

[opaque fable]

Anatole in a few days

[finite thorn]

What is that supposed to be xd

[opaque fable]

Bc ur going for the 32 heat modded wr right

Im a believer

[steep condor]

that makes a lot of sense, thank you! now i'm sad though

[finite thorn]

I play on Switch, no mod

[upper wolf]

even better !

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1198263237158916116/image.png?ex=65be449a&is=65abcf9a&hm=859225927c235d3ab21d9e0cb61f1cac6badefc8c6d0c23a364f5926afa26cab&

[lavish sorrel]

thanathink

[stiff obsidian]

omw to sub6 hours

[desert tundra]

speedrunning is overrated, lets do slowwalking instead

[lavish sorrel]

sub6 is sub6

[sterile crystal]

Do you think zagreus likes sourdough?

[upper wolf]

Zag would answer "I sure do !"

[lavish sorrel]

joke gotten .5 seconds ago 🫡

[wary iron]

I just realised 😔

Took me a whole minute…

[upper wolf]

Joke comprehension speedrunning

[lavish sorrel]

wr

[fossil sphinx]

When you make one of the craziest builds youve seen and get excited to vanquish hades with it only to see that this time he lets you leave without a fight

[lavish sorrel]

enjoy the free pass

[upper wolf]

there are two wolves inside you :
One is angry to be spoiled out of a good fight
One is overjoyed at getting a free win despite being on death's door

You are getting your 10th Hades clear.

[lavish sorrel]

you're at the end of a low% run so you much appreciate the lack of a final boss:

tbh theseus is like a third of the difficulty in that run specifically

[steep condor]

wondering what chaos thinks of my decision to buy a light of ixion, (of course) forget about it and just not enter the chaos gate next chamber

(repeatedly)

[rose roost]

I wonder what chaos thinks about the fact that they can be summoned by a lil' trinket

[lavish sorrel]

you mean the ixion well item? right? idk

[stiff obsidian]

its not a little tricket its one of the prized wares of the legendary boatman charon which can only be obtained by battling. the dangerous foes of the underworld in violent and fatal combat

or something

[lavish sorrel]

"From your perspective you came here willingly, from my perspective I have summoned you. Both be can true, wouldn't you agree?" - Chaos

[subtle blaze]

if im looking to just mindlessly grind for keepsake levels whats the best way to go about that?

like which weapons, any specific mirror setups, should i always go to the end or is there some sort of trick etc.

[true oak]

afaik the little rooms in styx count as an encounter towards keepsake

so definitely go to the end

maybe try out some interesting builds with different gods

or try to get highest plume or butterfly% challenge

[subtle blaze]

im honestly just achievement hunting at this point looking to put on a netflix show and get the achievement, so idk bout going into that much detail with builds

[true oak]

builds are fun

[subtle blaze]

yeah i know but rn im burnt out on the game and dont have the interest it would take to get hooked again

[true oak]

lol keepsake grinding is dull, do you really want the achievement that much?

don't play if it makes you stressed or sad

[subtle blaze]

100%ing games is nice

its not like it stresses me out or is sad

im just trying to grind it

as efficiently as possible

[true oak]

it's not actually that bad in my experience, the levels go by pretty quickly

just keep playing

[subtle blaze]

youre perfectly entitled to that opinion but that doesnt really change how I personally want to play the game or with what objective in mind i want to play

[void vigil]

Grinding keepsakes is pretty straightforward so don’t really need a certain build for it, just to what’s fun for you

[stiff obsidian]

Just use the keepsake and skip free rooms

[void vigil]

If you run distant memory, just pretend you’re doing a no-keepsake challenge

Literally how I felt when I was maxing my last few ones

[rose roost]

yea

[subtle blaze]

cheers thank you!

which ones are the non-standard keepsakes

[icy cove]

hey guys

i think i found a bug on hades

i dont know if its a bug

and i have screenshot

can someone help me?

[true oak]

have you looked in tech fixes?

[icy cove]

nah im just dumb, i shoot that red thing and it just crossed the wall but i didnt wait to it come back to me and i thought it was a bug

sorry for my english

[upper wolf]

np np

[covert hare]

speaking of " bugs "

is it normal that the golden ring surrounding boons sometimes gets blue?

[stone rune]

that’s laurel

it changes color based on reward type

[upper wolf]

if you mean when the boon is on the ground, pickable, it's because a foreground element is "hiding" it

[covert hare]

what

[upper wolf]

the door laurels

colour depends on reward

metaprogression reward = blue; run upgrade reward = gold

[fading loom]

phase 3 is TOUGH

got halfway thru it with hades spear, though, for the first time

so that's nice

athena dash is sooo good

[upper wolf]

phase 3 ?

oh no...

[fading loom]

someone has it. won't say what

so, prophecy question: i just got a prophecy that says "||vanquish EM theseus, then seek poseidon||." in the same run, after i got the prophecy, i did the first half of it. does that count, even though i hadn't read the prophecy, or do i have to do it again?

[covert hare]

huh

[desert tundra]

Am I the only one that thinks Spear feels awful to play

[upper wolf]

it should really have achilles' special as baseline

[desert tundra]

if I'm not playing Achilles aspect I just feel like I'd rather play any other weapon

[upper wolf]

otherwise, just don't use special

never

unless explosive launcher

[fading loom]

i agree, mostly. i really like the hades spear, actually, but the rest of them feel kinda one-note for me

[tepid light]

hey, congrats! making progress!

welcome to the church of em4

[fading loom]

hell yeah

i've beaten it like twice before, but only with arthur and no other heat on, so i feel like the next step is to get good at it without arthur

[tepid light]

I get that

There are certain aspects I consistently do well with in EM4

And certain aspects that I just get destroyed while using

inb4 a certain person "but why use em4"

[jagged hamlet]

It feels like it either needs more damage, more speed, or a whole lot more damage with less speed

[fading loom]

two duo boons in tartarus... feels good

[desert tundra]

pog rng

[stone rune]

i am convinced that cshot doesnt exist in the unmodded game

[lavish sorrel]

you're right, this is why my previous best had no cshot

[stone rune]

i hate this game

319 tart exit with hammer to awful aspho

how do you play this game

[desert tundra]

practice with no cshot

[stone rune]

why would i do that

ive played enough of the game to play without cshot

its just that it sucks

[steep condor]

does it make you feel better complaining about it online? (honest question because if the answer is yes, carry on)

[stone rune]

idk

[drowsy linden]

tf someone that isnt bananas is giving jazz philosophical advice

[stone rune]

atp im speedrunning missing hammer

[desert tundra]

no hammer speedrun

mod it in

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1198329469153316925/hammer_-_Trim.mp4?ex=65be8249&is=65ac0d49&hm=313a9ce9df40d6b24fbf78add177387f39a3caeb270eec8d4ed64a78b6551bb0&

[upper wolf]

ngl I expected you to missclick a cshot on that clip

[stiff obsidian]

thx for another imaginary scenario that will haunt them in their sleep

[stone rune]

i havent seen flare on first screen in 4 runs

[steep condor]

it wasn't advice i asked bc tbh i think it's annoying but if it makes them feel better i can ignore it more easily

(sorry)

[stiff obsidian]

🧵 JustUnmoddedThings

[drowsy linden]

nah this is just jazz complaining about unmodded and rta
youll get used to it eventually

just wait till unmodded rta talos(it will never happen)

[desert tundra]

oh wait this is jazz?

i thought a new person came in out of nowhere lol

[drowsy linden]

no its always jazz and has been

[stone rune]

u could have just said that lol

[chilly gorge]

much prefer hades aspect... Achilles mess up my muscle memory

[stiff obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087808699722121236/1196185623946600539/latest.png?ex=65b6b5ac&is=65a440ac&hm=2afedb495e5d39a14ecf4725984d62e6336dd47ad8ffc316ddbaabafd52848c3&

[rustic vale]

How?

[desert tundra]

I guess cause of special dash? lol

[rustic vale]

ig

[chilly gorge]

yea it's like, why dash into foes when I could just stay at a distance

[drowsy linden]

achilles is bad its too spammy

[rustic vale]

mainly because it’s a great buff

which executes 10* faster then Hades

and applies to your cast

[chilly gorge]

it's too weak tho

[drowsy linden]

hades aspect is better because my fingers dont die

[drowsy linden]

for achilles:
dash strike twice
special
repeat

the bonus only applies to the first 4 casts and attacks, and i think dashstriking takes 2 charges

[stone rune]

wat

[rustic vale]

???

[drowsy linden]

talos better imo

[rustic vale]

It’s literally the same numbers

+150% = +150%

[drowsy linden]

10 seconds>4 hits is i think what theyre trying to go for

[stone rune]

its literally not

[chilly gorge]

yup

[jagged hamlet]

Archilles spear is many things, but weak is not one of them

[stone rune]

4 hits >>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 seconds on select enemies

[chilly gorge]

mark em up with the spin and then u get 10 secs

[stone rune]

yeah but you have to do the spin

[rustic vale]

A) they shouldn’t be alive for longer then 4 hits

[stone rune]

which sucks

and you cant get flurry jab

[rustic vale]

B) you have to spin which takes ages
C) applying to attack and cast is much better than attack and special

[chilly gorge]

u just charge up the spin while foes are about to spawn around u

[rustic vale]

And the time it takes to spin is time save over the time it takes to special to bosses > 10 seconds

[stone rune]

yeah and then it only applies for 10 seconds to like 3 enemies

[drowsy linden]

armored louts with dc

[rustic vale]

You can do the same thjng w/ special

[stone rune]

with achilles if ur out of buff u can just llike

tap q twice and its back up

[rustic vale]

even when enemies are living for the full 10 seconds the time it takes to spin doesn’t win out over the time it takes to repeatedly special

[stone rune]

on hades you have to be near an enemy

and then do the longest animation ever seen in the entire video game ever

in order to get your buff just on that enemy

[drowsy linden]

the main argument against hades spear is that it just takes too long to charge
and jazz cares too much about speed

[rustic vale]

it’s not just how long it takes to charge

[autumn rose]

it's also

[rustic vale]

Achilles buff also applies to better sources of damage

[autumn rose]

WHARR

[rustic vale]

cast > special

[stone rune]

and no flurry jab sucks

because flurry jab is what u need for spear to be usable

[rustic vale]

Like if you want to make use of the buff you need to hit explosive launcher and charged skewer

[chilly gorge]

speed is for kids, I'd rather take my time

[rustic vale]

where casts are way more accessible

[stone rune]

hmm

[jagged hamlet]

Well, jazz is a kid, so thzrg might have a point

[rustic vale]

I’m pretty sure speed very much isn’t for kids

[upper wolf]

I feel like I'm probably older than you and still try to go as fast as I can xD

[jagged hamlet]

Kid at heart

[upper wolf]

bold of you to assume I have a heart

[jagged hamlet]

Kid at liver

[upper wolf]

damn you got me u_u

[drowsy linden]

"agreed"
-my td2 time

[autumn rose]

lions tigers and bears

[rustic vale]

taking your time is the epitome of how you see people with 56 minute long 40 heat clears with the most atrocious pact known to man

[upper wolf]

bruh you only do TD2 because you're a madlad with JS3 CP2

[rustic vale]

What

[drowsy linden]

hey ive done heat 45 hera

[rustic vale]

why would you run that pact

[drowsy linden]

standard heat 50 pact but without td3 and dc

[chilly gorge]

I'm so old, I don't get any acronyms

[upper wolf]

something something "TD3 scary"

[rustic vale]

+60% enemies and every enemy gets 2 free hits

[drowsy linden]

it is

[upper wolf]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[upper wolf]

bruh you're scooby-doo IRL

[rustic vale]

Js3 -> jury summons 3
Dc 2 -> damage ctrl 2
Td -> tight deadline

[upper wolf]

"oooooh no not the small rat ! I'd rather take the path with TRONGZOR, SLAYER OF DREAMS"

(the small rat is not tony)

[rustic vale]

Jury summons and damage control are really yikes pact options

[upper wolf]

jury summons was created to gather as many tears from players as possible

[drowsy linden]

i dont use dc

i use cp and em4😎

[chilly gorge]

small rat is the worst

[rustic vale]

Sorry CP is calesthenics program

I

[drowsy linden]

tony is epic

[rustic vale]

mixed up reading dc and cp in my tiredness

Cp is equally bad

[upper wolf]

pretty sure budget is playing anti-Hades at this point

[rustic vale]

For sure

[chilly gorge]

wait. is there like a set way the satyr tunnels work or is it random?

[upper wolf]

they got the game from an alternate dimension where TD3 is worse than JS3 CP2

random

[drowsy linden]

no i play hades

[upper wolf]

like 50% second tunnel

and then idr

[drowsy linden]

i just happen to have reset my mirror

[chilly gorge]

oh ok

I don't think I've ever gotten the sack on the 1st try

[rustic vale]

Chambers with skulls above them are minibosses, they have 4-5 chambers and odds are skewed heavily in favour of getting the sack 2>3>4>5

[upper wolf]

yeah it's impossible

[stiff obsidian]

any time taken is time that you could lose hp

[rustic vale]

Cannot get sack first chamber you enter

[drowsy linden]

time after a chamber has been cleared:

[rustic vale]

Nope

Any time taken.

[upper wolf]

kid named tight deadline:

[rustic vale]

the only breaks are story rooms and midstages

[drowsy linden]

td is just free sd activation and god gauge

[rustic vale]

Wait since they stop the timer

Is there any limit to how long your speedrun submission can be?

[latent moon]

Don't think so

[rustic vale]

because rta shouldn’t matter in igt

[upper wolf]

I imagine at some point the speedrun.com mods will directly come to your home to headbutt you though

[rustic vale]

Sub5 run done over the course of a day

[latent moon]

I forgot who but someone went to go eat dinner in one run lmao

[drowsy linden]

new idea:
speedrunning hades while speedrunning hades

[opaque fable]

you can even just hit pause in the middle of a room and take a break

[drowsy linden]

just speedrun the game on a different device

[opaque fable]

hades but every time i clear a chamber i play another run of hades

[rustic vale]

Hades but I move to 1 new country every chamber

[jagged hamlet]

Ah, the recursing Hades

[upper wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[rustic vale]

Hades but every chamber I have to catch a sturgeon in Hades

If I were to do a single Hades run today

What build should I use?

[upper wolf]

zapfist

[rustic vale]

which aspect

[upper wolf]

zag

[rustic vale]

k

[drowsy linden]

talos arctic blast

[rustic vale]

oh those are both great options

Maybe I’ll do 2 runs today

[drowsy linden]

arctic blast is just no splitting bolt budget zapfists

[rustic vale]

eh arctic blast opens heavy knuckle talos as a possibility