h1-discussion

[long tree]

lol xD

[rancid rapids]

I never knew

[mint coral]

oh

[rancid rapids]

XD

[long tree]

never seen one?

[mint coral]

is the glowing stuff

but also if you reaaaaaaally hate styx

get poseidon's cast or dash and breaking wave

the small rooms make the enemies constantly crash and create the water explosion

and also take the miniboss encounters

normal encounters are tougher due to how big the rooms are and the flood of tons of different enemies

[long tree]

oh i alsways go for not miniboss xD

[mint coral]

the only miniboss which really sucks would be tony

but your build should be fine at that point so it really isn't that bad I think

[drowsy linden]

i knew to cure instantly because of a gameplay video from 3 years ago(dont ask how i remember for that long)

[long tree]

now i will ask

how do you remember?

[drowsy linden]

by being good and using budget delta chamber

[rancid rapids]

I forgot what I ate for breakfast today.

Remembering about glowing water isn't my prime concern xD

[drowsy linden]

i can remember super well ans super poorly at the same time

[long tree]

i suck

overall

[buoyant rapids]

oh my god. Getting 5 grenades on rail special, and then getting a hammer to turn them into rockets makes it an absolute nuke. I was hitting hades point blank for like 1.2k

there are some funny synergies between hammers

[mint coral]

welcome to clockets

rocket deletes the -dmg from cluster so you end up with 400 base dmg point blank

[rancid rapids]

600 was my peak so far with boosted dash strikes xD

[buoyant rapids]

it really trivialized the fight. You just dash in, chunk his health and dash out

[rancid rapids]

After passing Cerberus, you fight Hades?

[plush ferry]

im here to state my one gripe with Hades (the game)
when i get to ||phase 4|| of Redacted im too focused to hear the awesome music :(

[mint coral]

damn you got a secret 4 phase

[rancid rapids]

Never passed past 4th chamber in Styx xd

[plush ferry]

oh is it only phase 3 oops

been a bit since i played 😂

[mint coral]

yeah although a bit too late you'd prob want to check #h1-for-new-players to avoid other spoilers

[rancid rapids]

I bought the game on Steam sale lately and been in love xd

[buoyant rapids]

honestly my only gripe so far is that runs are a bit on a short side. I wouldn't mind if they were 5-10 minutes longer on average. Maybe an extra short stage. By the time you get all your build going you're in styx pretty much. Other than that it is so exquisitely made. The amount of dialogue and story is crazy. And I'm just pretty much running just to get the next portion of it

[long tree]

me too

12,49 was worth it

especially with hades 2 coming up

good for getting used to some of the combat

[buoyant rapids]

yeah, I got it few days ago too. By virtue of being on vacation I already put like 30 hours into it. I can't put it down

[mint coral]

when you have your mirror built up/know boon prerequisites you can get your builds in aspho easily

[gray apex]

Surely there's a way to make it harder

[buoyant rapids]

well, heat makes it harder. You go through the same amount of encounters regardless

give or take

[gray apex]

Yea but heat could also make it take longer

Because the encounters are harder

[buoyant rapids]

I got like 90% of my mirror done already. It's really just a thing for getting to remember the boons and such

[mint coral]

gotta use the codex for that

[buoyant rapids]

also, I can't get a call from athena for the life of me. She's just not giving it to me. I want it just to tick the box in prophecies

[long tree]

is hearth rend a good boon for rama? using special it can inflict some good damage

i assume

[long tree]

use her keepsake might help

[gray apex]

It's not that great, it's overkill and there's no good way to apply weak to enemies and also crit consistently

[buoyant rapids]

yeah, I've been forcing her with a keepsake, rerolling, etc

[mint coral]

best you can do is fill your cores and take exposed as those are prioritized over other boons

[buoyant rapids]

I guess i'll just wait for it to happen naturally

[mint coral]

and avoid duos/legendaries cuz iirc those are rolled for first

[runic jungle]

Achilles spear is so much fun lol
The spin is wild on no heat runs at least.

[mellow crest]

NO SPOILERS PLEASE i just wanna know if you escape hades in a run is that savefile just over and you have to make a new one?

[mint coral]

it keeps going

[mellow crest]

Ty

[mint coral]

may wanna hang out by the #h1-for-new-players to avoid more spoilers too

[mellow crest]

Alright ty

[runic jungle]

So is it possible to reunite Orpheus and his uh wife?
I know you can bring Achilles and whatshisname back together
I think you can anyway lol

[mint coral]

yeah is possible

[buoyant rapids]

I think orpheus and eurydice story is very wholesome and relatable

[runic jungle]

I still can't help but lol at the thought of demeter weilding the twin fists.
Demeter boxing just seems really funny but also iconic at the same time.

[jagged shoal]

GO GRANDMA GO

also guys does ocean's bounty count for gems you get from beating bosses?

it specifies "chamber rewards" vs chaos's eclipse which just says "any"

[jagged hamlet]

No, sorry. I thought you were asking about Darkness

Poseidon's boons only really seem to work if they're the primary reward for the room (i.e. have their pictures on the door)

[jagged shoal]

got it got it, that's strange but fair enough

i thought i was going on a casual run where i didn't pre-ordain my god pool, holy hell this is a fast working build

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1061753605507534878/1178508826434093126/makesweet-fk9ajw.gif?ex=657666df&is=6563f1df&hm=711a2c746f0279110a0baf2cd9f2a21e4ea07a48941f9593c0d8068fcda2436f&

[buoyant rapids]

is it mentioned somewhere the familial relationship between persephone and hades? I kinda missed that detail. Because in the source material hades is persephone's uncle. Greeks weren't strangers to getting a bit incestuous in their mythos

[mint coral]

it is changed a bit yeah

[jagged shoal]

Hades is definitely not Persephone's uncle in this take thankfully

[mint coral]

at least ||persophone's dad was a mortal and iirc demeter doesn't come from the same titan as hades||

[buoyant rapids]

so, she's still demeter's child just not from zeus I guess

wait, some of her dialogue makes whole lot more sense now

[jagged shoal]

I'm actually fuzzy on the details, but your take given the info from somenoobdying seems accurate

[mint coral]

I just remember to that extend too sadly

[jagged shoal]

"Demeter is in no direct relation to Lord Hades or his brothers, being born of more ancient Titan stock"

Thanks Achilles! :D

[mint coral]

codex carry

[buoyant rapids]

It's also in bold text in codex hehe. I guess they really wanted to make sure nobody was procreating with aunts and aunties in the game. Understandable, as source material can get a bit crazy

[jagged shoal]

Unfortunately it's pretty woven in in some places, true

[buoyant rapids]

I mean, I don't know if it's unfortunate. It just is what it is. Even Greeks didn't take it that seriously to be fair. You get the impression from various sources of the time that people on average weren't that pious, and mythology was taken as a bit of tongue in cheek thing

not the concept of deities, but all the details surrounding their family drama and such

[jagged shoal]

Yeah, it is just kind of a thing of the time it was written I suppose

just got 'huge catch'

unc i'm in sytx xD

[jagged hamlet]

Huge Catch isn't a bad thing to have when heading to the surface

[jagged shoal]

yeah actually it's not so bad

i do think i'm gonna pass it up for sunken treasure though just because i want as much darkness and gemstones from this run as possible

[runic jungle]

So what's the deal with theseus is he basically just a walmart herc
Bc that's the vibes I'm getting from him lol.
Actually I know Hercules was mentioned at least once so zag is aware of him.
I wonder if the two would get along.

[jagged shoal]

it's a loss-breaker on the bounties, died to hades after a string of the most comical bad luck possible last bow run xD

[runic jungle]

Gemstones have been kinda annoying for me to get from my last few runs
I want to unlock all the innovation things but ion think I'll ever have the patience lol

[jagged shoal]

769 obol and heading into the last 3 satyr chambers (hope i'll get to 1k so i can get the diamond on offer but i'll cut my losses if not)

[jagged shoal]

by innovation do you mean work orders or decor?

[runic jungle]

Work orders
I refuse to bother w decor that's just a waste tbh

[mint coral]

I've always seen him as a wwe fighter lmao

[jagged shoal]

you'll get enough for work orders i bet! just keep at it, it was a pretty stable climb in my case

[mint coral]

Dude plays up the abnoying persona to entertain everyone (amplified by him actually trying to stop zag)

[runic jungle]

Which makes it so satisfying to defeat him every time.

[jagged shoal]

Maybe I haven't progressed the story enough but it's funniest to think it's not an act and he's just actually like that xD

although, that just makes him more like a wwe character!

[mint coral]

Theseus is def a fun character

[jagged shoal]

somehow every single time he responds to zagreus i get a huge smile on my face

[mint coral]

As rare as the asterius autograph sequence is the finish with Theseus is worth it

[jagged shoal]

the actor sells his character PERFECTLY

[mint coral]

If you want to piss him off hard

Carry a yarn of ariadne into his fight

[runic jungle]

I am never getting asterius autograph bc I refuse to lose on purpose for it lol

[jagged shoal]

boon rarity yarn?

[runic jungle]

I'm sorry hypnos

[mint coral]

Charon well item yeah

[jagged shoal]

i'll try to keep that in mind in case the luck strikes

[mint coral]

He coments if you have one on you

Multiple times in fact

[runic jungle]

Oh gosh charon
I should remember to do his boss battle again
I always forget to try it when I have the chance

[mint coral]

Tho I think my fav part of Theseus will always be the friendship powerup

Which I'm glad is practically guaranteed to happen

[jagged shoal]

poor zag i got to the fountain chamber with max health and he still had to drink the cough water

[jagged shoal]

did it! :D

[formal citrus]

Does draining upper work on dash uppers

[mint coral]

should work

[formal citrus]

Probably irrelevant when playing zag fist hangover with stubborn, though

Ty

[latent moon]

draining cutter goes through lc4 tho lmao

[buoyant rapids]

man, attention to detail in this game is something else. So many different environmental elements just adding so much flavor. Like Hades holding court for shades, cook's animations, etc. Gives life to the house

dusa and meg gossiping was pretty funny

just rolled the credits. Yet I feel like the game is just starting

[mint coral]

It's in the bloooood

[buoyant rapids]

tidal dash on fists was a mistake lol. Knockback makes it impossible to hit a lot of the enemies with normal attacks if you fly in hot with a dash

it's kinda funny

[latent moon]

It's doable tho

Takes more precise timing

It's still one of the best dashes for fists because of the damage lol

[buoyant rapids]

tidal dash with lots of extra dashes makes tight corridors of styx chambers hilarious

you just zip around, and enemies splat against walls

[runic jungle]

So using the bow in the third area is a struggle for me lol
Lost a than challenge with bow bc of freaking chariots and on top of that butterfly balls are a painnnn.
Also I love how for that run yesterday, I never once got Artemis or poseidon boons, the two that I really feel like would have changed things around

On the plus side though than stayed even though I lost and I managed to give him nectar.
I thought he always teleported away instantly if he won the matches

[last veldt]

The bow is safe but slow, and if you don't get something good against armour by Elysium it can feel underpowered and you'll get overwhelmed.

There's a hammer for piercing special, which combined with a good special boon can do wonders in Elysium.

I personally like Dionysius on special since you can max stack it in one shot and go back to using the main attack.

Add a lodged cast and you'll be doing lots of damage.

[upper wolf]

bow special kinda sucks though

and you're being pretty vulnerable if you try to shotgun it

[last veldt]

Bait and punish

[upper wolf]

and if you don't, well, congrats you just lost a couple seconds to deal 10 damage

[last veldt]

Then get out.

That's where Chiron aspect helps a lot.

[upper wolf]

Meh, if you want to play bait and punish might as well go for fists

bow is better by just focusing on your positioning and dash-striking for powershots

and ignoring special entirely

[last veldt]

To be clear I'm not suggesting it as your main here.

But for extra help in Elysium if you need it.

[upper wolf]

Thing is, I don't see how it helps at all tbh

I guess I might as well do a quick run to see how it goes

[last veldt]

Fair enough, different play style and all that.

[mint coral]

I've only seen use to clear a few projectiles tbh

[last veldt]

And Dio special never does only 10 damage even with 1 hit.

[upper wolf]

how much procs do you get from a dio application ?

5 ?

idk

[last veldt]

Can't recall off top of my head, but at least 5.

[upper wolf]

meh, another thing I can quickly check I guess

brb

[last veldt]

And you can stack 5 initially, so a good point blank will do something like 25x-30x dot damage.

[upper wolf]

7 procs

[last veldt]

So up to 35x dot damage, which is about 7-9 without pom.

So call it 280 damage for a good point blank, and 40ish per hit.

And that's pommable

[upper wolf]

nah it's about 5 without poms because we're common rarity gaming here

[last veldt]

Is it only 5, okay I thought it was a bit better than that.

[latent moon]

Bow special isn't worth using at all unless you're using rama or Chiron

Unless you want to clear projectiles

But for damage it's pretty worthless

[true tide]

I failed my attempt to get out against hades, then demeter showed up on my next run, and now there are new enemies in Tartarus

This game so Intresting

[upper wolf]

And you're just getting started ! The game is amazing ^^ you have many, many hours of fun in front of you !

I just tried using the special with bow, and it's as bad as I remember. Shotgunning with dio deals much less damage than just firing another strike

The only niche I can see is piercing volley to deal with greatshields if you're not used to them

But at that point I would even advise against it, given you can't really rely on a specific hammer to go past elysium

[steep bobcat]

can anyone remind me when you get the fists? im replaying the game in hell mode and i kinda forgot when you get it lol

[latent moon]

You need to unlock the first four weapons

Once those are unlocked, after the next run the fists should be there waiting to be unlocked

[worldly harness]

is there a certain way to increase the chance of getting a legendary boon except for the mirror thing?

i have only 1 steam achievement left which is the purging a legendary boon

can't seem to get it tho

[quaint sage]

Most effects that increase boon rarity (i.e. say they increase your chances of getting a rare boon) also increase your odds of getting epic/legendary/duo boons

Only exceptions are mirror effects and Exclusive Access which do exactly what they say and nothing more

[mint coral]

Fill your cores as those are prioritized too

[worldly harness]

so like chaos boon rarity buff?

[quaint sage]

yes

[mint coral]

Yeah

[worldly harness]

i need them full?

all 5?

[mint coral]

Yarn of ariadne/refreshing nectar also work

[quaint sage]

also keepsakes, Eurydice / yarn, and probably something I'm forgetting

[mint coral]

Call doesn't count

But it helps

[quaint sage]

The game is more likely to offer you core boons (and less likely to offer legendaries) if your core slots aren't filled

[mint coral]

Also curse status if the god has it as an extra boon

Like zeus' jolted

[worldly harness]

but each god only has one legendary boon so Im thinking don't I need to stack like 2-3 boons of one god to get that specific god's leg boon?

[stone rune]

poseidon has 2 legendaries

[mint coral]

It has to be specific boons but yeah 2-3 boons needed before they unlock

[stone rune]

but you need specific prerequisites for each legendary

[worldly harness]

where can I learn those?

[stone rune]

https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

or the specific god page on the wiki

[mint coral]

(assuming you have the codex upgrade)

[worldly harness]

I did get the artemis's legendary +2 cast multiple times unintentionally

[worldly harness]

dude i ain't no noob I got all the achievements except one 😅

took me a solid 145 hours

[mint coral]

should've known about the boon list no?

[worldly harness]

nope didn't go throught the wiki even once lol

I just played

[mint coral]

The boon list is an in game upgrade

[worldly harness]

can't send screenshots here smh

[mint coral]

Use embeds

[worldly harness]

nah im too lazy to do that just tell me how to open up that boon list please

[stone rune]

c

[mint coral]

Go to the codex page of any god and press - on controller and idk kbm

[stone rune]

enter

[worldly harness]

yeah just found it thanks guys

the parchment icon on top of the boon mean I have never used it right?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[true oak]

I just reached the credits

this game is so good

[wary iron]

Time to get even more story

[mint coral]

Enjoy the song

[true oak]

song slaps

[true oak]

so i just give nectar to everybody now?

[wary iron]

Yeah

[latent moon]

yeah pretty much

[wary iron]

Basically

I’m still not over the fact how much that song costs

Like what is more important in the blood or less torture for Sisyphus

Hard decisions

[mint coral]

Instrumental in the blood ofc

[wary iron]

Alright

Time to farm Styx shop

[mint coral]

Tbf the instrumental is still nice

[nimble wren]

I am trying to get the favor of the gods. Luckily their keepsakes allow me to stalk them

Also, somebody should nerf the narrator: he is too strong

[runic jungle]

I'm a little confused
When do you unlock orpheus again?
I know you have to get the musician from the work table but forgot when

[jagged shoal]

Game doles out things over time

[last veldt]

I think you might need to have bought some things from the contractor already and maybe even met Eurydice.

But if you just play normally and talk to everyone with prompts it'll pop up soon enough.

[fading gazelle]

Hey there lads! Wanted to ask if anyone could link me to a high-res gif of Hades talking down to us without his text. I've been hunting the internet for one but haven't had any luck.

[jagged shoal]

An animated gif or a static one?

[fading gazelle]

Animated gif

[jagged shoal]

hmmmm

I don't have one on hand but perhaps you could screen record an early dialog and edit the text out in that way

[fading gazelle]

I was planning on doing that, but it's a wee bit of effort that I'm too lazy to do so I was hoping someone already did the work for me 😅

[jagged shoal]

Yeah I get that, I'd help out but I don't trust my hardware to be able to grab the footage at both a great resolution and an acceptable framerate lol

If you're in need of some good approximates/guesses as to what fonts are used in the game, I did quickly find this post https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/jsbh08/comment/gbydphu/

but the info may be outdated, or there may be more accurate info somewhere else

also found this person doing some text edits with a similar font listed in that reddit post, and i'd say it looks pretty on point! (besides the lack of punctuation )
https://vxtwitter.com/kuvosa/status/1337877915699011585
https://vxtwitter.com/kuvosa/status/1337851448478994432

[buoyant rapids]

sounds like the kind of made up hogwash skelly would say lol

[long tree]

its 10 clears for the final credits right?

[mint coral]

yeah

[buoyant rapids]

it sounds like it's in the right bullpark I guess? I got the credits yesterday, I'd say it took me around a dozen, I didn't count

[long tree]

Final one to go then

[buoyant rapids]

I did a clear with each weapon once, and then some on top of that for credits

[long tree]

I'm just clearing it on 0 heat for story atm

Though I did reach 6 hest

Heat

Just for the easier clear

also i shipped myself with Death ❤️

[drowsy linden]

be a chad and do high heat

[jagged shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747517945000755300/1178819041742291057/image.png?ex=657787c8&is=656512c8&hm=155d20777142d6c1ef8bb966165820499900061f0b071e135734fd4a85bf4510&

this is the most tragic thing that could possibly happen

[latent moon]

this is so sad

[buoyant rapids]

I mean, you gain resources for the first time you clear every heat level, so skipping straight to like 10+ you're missing out on upgrades

[drowsy linden]

shoot your kd ratio is better than mine

[long tree]

i will after i clear the story XD

[drowsy linden]

you dont miss out, you just play at a higher level for the same rewards

[long tree]

iknow but i just wans a casual run xD

[drowsy linden]

[buoyant rapids]

sure, I guess? If you max out just a few aspects and grind high heat with them to fund all other upgrades. Where's the fun

[mint coral]

you make it sound like it would be boring

[buoyant rapids]

well, it could be if my weapon choice was very limited. Some aspects are fine with one point, but some really need those levels

[drowsy linden]

the fun is in the challenge provided by the pact

[buoyant rapids]

I just think it's totally fine to just get your stuff upgraded quicker, and then go for high heat

[formal citrus]

Walking into EM4 for my bow heat record with 3 DD, 268/270 HP, epic hyper delivery, and divine protection. Let's not mess this up.

[jagged shoal]

so far i've been waiting on trying higher heat runs and instead doing runs where i aim for certain things on the fated list

[drowsy linden]

ive never intentionally said that was a bad option

might just be my good explanation skills

[long tree]

high heat is fin im up to 6 atm but i suck with many weapons so im mostly stuck to rema bow

[drowsy linden]

rama is cool

[jagged shoal]

8 was fun to try!

i did it with the sword because it was my most confident weapon at the time

[drowsy linden]

heat is fine, unless you go fo/em/mm/ri/ap/td or combine effects

[jagged shoal]

i tend to wait to do certain things till dark thirst permits me the weapon i need for it yknow, keeps variety in the pacing that way

although dark thirst has really been sleeping on the twin fists and adamant rail

i barely get those compared to the other 4

[drowsy linden]

i generally do one thing, and occasionally switch using dark thirtst

[mint coral]

I never bothered with dark thirst

[jagged shoal]

up to taste i guess

[formal citrus]

Yay, did not mess it up

[jagged shoal]

i just don't like the idea that i could be doing equally well and also get more bang for my buck since i've still got a lot of stuff that requires darkness and gemstones

[long tree]

whats em4 like? i have only done em1

[jagged shoal]

hell!

[mint coral]

best left to learn for yourself

[jagged shoal]

but fun :D

[buoyant rapids]

dark thirst sometimes helps me nudge to something, when I'm just sitting there not able to decide what I want to run. But really it's bonus isn't that large to specifically go for it

[mint coral]

is funnier that way

[formal citrus]

3 min and 2 DD left. Took no damage after the firstdd lol

[latent moon]

em4 is a pain in the ass since i dont like it lmao

[jagged shoal]

it truly is funnier that way

[formal citrus]

Fun

[latent moon]

and it's not like necessary to take to climb heat with until like 50 so ive just never used it lmao

[formal citrus]

Oh whoops for got to use battie lol

[jagged shoal]

em2 is not bad at all btw! some people actually prefer it, and it's better for speedrunning

[buoyant rapids]

em1 feels like just free 1 point of heat to add. So little changes. I can't even tell what's different in hades' and champions fight

[jagged shoal]

nothing

the fights only change once you bring it up to their level

em1 only changes the first boss

[mint coral]

the level of em means how many fights it changes

[buoyant rapids]

ah, makes sense

[formal citrus]

What should Hera 44 look like?

[buoyant rapids]

I thought it adds like 1 extra feature to every fight

[formal citrus]

Oh awks I had only 4 gods total, should have taken different pos for the 5% boost

[latent moon]

prob standard 40 pact but with like js and cf i guess lmao

[formal citrus]

Where do I see the standard 40?

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1151055853621891072/image.png?ex=656ed04d&is=655c5b4d&hm=551be6de5d200f13f73927277a85e8ba4641d0ef056496a100e7a8533eb4f7a3&=&format=webp&width=1191&height=670

[jagged shoal]

btw in the dialog where hades ||permits you to use the|| companions ||in his fight, what happens if you try to do that before he allows you so?||

[mint coral]

nothing

[jagged shoal]

oh really? it's just a formality?

[latent moon]

ngl the biggest problem with hera is that the higher js you take, the more bp can cuck you

so your break points might be all screwy

unless you wanna take ri1

[mint coral]

as in, the summon won't work before that

[latent moon]

but also ri1 is cringe

[jagged shoal]

ohhhhhh

[mint coral]

but it also depends on the summon

[jagged shoal]

||as a result of only having picked skelly before, i didn't see the effect ||

[mint coral]

if its skelly or bouldy they just don't care as they don't work for dad

[native blade]

What’s ri again?

[latent moon]

routine inspection

[mint coral]

less mirror

[latent moon]

mirror goes bye bye

[drowsy linden]

my pact is that but cf2, em4, td2, fo1, js3, no hs

[native blade]

Oh yeah…

[mint coral]

get dyno'd

[native blade]

Lmao

[latent moon]

em4 could work on top of that tbh

[jagged shoal]

dyno for hades 2

[latent moon]

i jsut dont know how well hera works against em4 in regards to time

[native blade]

I forgor how this server worked, my b

[jagged shoal]

no prob

[latent moon]

could work tho but i wouldn't recommend it

[drowsy linden]

i dont worry about time because td2

[latent moon]

i mean they wanted 44

td2 still works but also like

[drowsy linden]

id personally do fo2

[latent moon]

learn td3 at that point

at 40 you take fo2 already

[drowsy linden]

my td is just bad, most of my runs exit tart with 2-2.5 minutes, 1.5 minutes if its a bad one

[latent moon]

that's like

fine

tart is 14 chambers lmao it's not gonna be fast

also a speedrun anyheat tart leave is 2 min exit, 3 mins left for td3
exiting at 2.5 mins is fine for high heat

[mint coral]

Is that how long it takes you or how much time you have oeft with td2

[latent moon]

same with 1.5

[drowsy linden]

time remaining on td2

i think ive got a lot more tech to learn

[latent moon]

oh if that's the case then yeah probably learn more lmao

do any heat practice

what are you using

[runic jungle]

It's actually crazy how cracked poseidon dash is in the final area lmfao.
Those tiny rats stand zero chance.
Also zag bow >>> chiron bow or however you spell it.

[drowsy linden]

right now, eris/hera/dem

[latent moon]

yeah that's the general sentiment in the meta lmao

[jagged shoal]

hey guys i had a stupid idea but i wanna hear your thoughts

what do you think of poseidon special on zeus shield?

[drowsy linden]

pos is better on rail and fists

[latent moon]

yeah just practice on anyheat, watch speedrun vids or high heat vids
if you're concerned about time loss, do basic spawn manips of standing in corners and learn better enemy grouping

[runic jungle]

There's also explosive shot I was using
I thought slower charge would have been a bad time for me but with zag bow its actually not half bad
In fact It actually feels op lol

[jagged shoal]

i've never taken sea storm before and the potential damage is enticing me to this ridiculous idea

[latent moon]

doable but pain since you just knock stuff out of your main damage dealing thing

[drowsy linden]

i think ill just stick with grouping and being better at the game

[mint coral]

Is basically complicated zeus^2

[latent moon]

sea storm pos special zeus shield is just thunder flourish zeus shield with extra steps and more aggravating

[jagged shoal]

zeus^2?

[latent moon]

also it's a base 30 damage per tick so the % from pos special isn't like carrying the damage

[latent moon]

zeus special on zeus shield

[formal citrus]

Ty. now, with all due respect, I will continue to completely ignore that

[jagged shoal]

was thinking of that before the poseidon thing

seems like the better option honestly

maybe i'll get poseidon on my cast or something?

the duo won't help much but the list won't mind

[mint coral]

If it just for the list the yeah might as well

[latent moon]

fair enough lmao

[mint coral]

But most builds can just ignore the cast slot

[latent moon]

if you want to do em4 just add em4 on top of that and you're set for 44 heat

[runic jungle]

I always forget to use cast lmfao

[formal citrus]

Nah, my pact is pretty different

No money reduction, max js

Cf is probably next tbh

[latent moon]

if you're doing it for the fated list, yeah that works
the shield attack has a built in knockback, so you'll get sea storm procs off that

[formal citrus]

Cp*

[drowsy linden]

cf0 feels so strong after doing cf2 for years

[formal citrus]

What's cf again

[mint coral]

Cf0 my beloved

[jagged shoal]

It's tough to remember, but I love how the cast is the only mostly static part of your arsenal, it doesn't usually change weapon to weapon so gods can do goofy stuff with it like blade rift or whatever demeter's turret is called

[mint coral]

Cost increase

[drowsy linden]

convenience fee

[latent moon]

that'll make normal rooms a lot harder since you'll miss breakpoints on hera

the point of hera is to one shot stuff

[drowsy linden]

+40% price per rank to charon items

[latent moon]

cp makes that way more difficult

[jagged shoal]

oh wait, it works on any knockback not just water knockback?

[mint coral]

Yeah you don't wanna make stuff tankier with hera

[latent moon]

yeah

[jagged shoal]

much better idea than i originally thought then

[mint coral]

Or you'll run into how sad your attack alone is

[formal citrus]

I miss breakpoints all the time anyways

[latent moon]

i believe it works on sword special but i dont play enough sword or go for sea storm on sword anyways

[mint coral]

Should also work in sword combo lol

[latent moon]

it's still a mid duo boon since poseidon cores kinda sucks unless it's tidal dash lmao

and tidal dash doesnt open the duo

since the devs got rid of that prereq to nerf eris

apparently

[mint coral]

Free dmg was too good

[drowsy linden]

idk my flurry hera build was doing better than the cast
i tried phalanx backstab, never got it, and settled with 320 damage per hit from hera backstab

[jagged shoal]

shame but even if the duos aren't particularly powerful i find the variety pretty awesome

[mint coral]

That raises other concerns

[jagged shoal]

alr off to try the run!

[drowsy linden]

blinding flash is just cracked

[runic jungle]

Okay I know people clown on detmeter boons but I honestly think ares is way worse than her.

[latent moon]

at least his duos are good lmao

blade dash also has surprisingly good damage

[runic jungle]

I haven't gotten his duos yet lol
I just always have a meh time w his boons.
At this rate I'd rather have Athena
Who's surprisingly been rare during my recent runs.

[stone rune]

athena and ares are so vastly different

[latent moon]

i mean athena and ares fill very different roles in buidls

a fair comparison would be ares vs zeus vs dio

since those are all flat damage

and have other means of damage scaling

[runic jungle]

I wasn't really comparing them as far as power goes.
I mainly meant that I would rather pick up Athena boons compared to ares xd.
Like if I had to choose between them I'd Def go for Athena

What does doom even do

[stone rune]

bruh

[latent moon]

i mean that's more or less the same thing lmfao

[latent moon]

deals damage after 1 second

[stone rune]

so youd prefer athena attack to doom on fists?

[runic jungle]

Yeah

[latent moon]

does like 50/75/100 for ares attack depending on rarity

[latent moon]

40% damage increase on base 15 attack lmao

[stone rune]

so basically this is an issue of you not knowing how builds work

[latent moon]

ares would be more helpful there

[stone rune]

i understand now

[runic jungle]

I think I'm slightly more biased for Athena rn bc her boons actually came in clutch a few times for me

[stone rune]

erm actually its 1.1

[latent moon]

assuming epic rarities, 70%(?) athena attack off of base 15 attack is like idk let's so 9 damage something like that per punch
epic doom will give you 100 damage after 1 second, which can be easily reapplied

i dont think you're getting in like 10 punches in 1 second

[runic jungle]

No it's just me preferring one to the other lol
Even if I compared ares to zues and dio like it was recommended he would be bottom of the barrel for me

[stone rune]

and then there is pom scaling

and the existence of merciful end

[runic jungle]

Maybe I'll get a good build going for ares one day but rn he's easily my least favorite one lol.

[stone rune]

https://youtu.be/uKRpCbjGrIU?si=8A62NC1oPAHHHzxY

[latent moon]

I mean preferences are fine, but your preference is objectively a bad build lmao

All gods have some place in some meta build

Some are def worse than others in certain places but better at others

[stone rune]

man

i havent played hades all day

am i falling off

[long tree]

finished the story ❤️

[latent moon]

imagine not playing hades 24/7

[stone rune]

i shouldnt have launched tf2 that one time

its redirecting my attention

[latent moon]

big mistake trying to play any other game besides hades

i played not-hades last night tho and it was fun lmao

i'm literally washed

[stone rune]

its weird because i suck at every other game

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1178865722047352833/IMG_2064.png?ex=6577b342&is=65653e42&hm=6954daed062e205ef1ba9c760e372adb28d2add9f1eb04f1bbcc20142e184ad6&

pog

[latent moon]

gamer

[latent moon]

mood

[long tree]

5 minutes?>

[stone rune]

yea

[long tree]

how in hades did you do that

[stone rune]

not too hard

[latent moon]

speedrunning modpack helps a bit

the rest of it is a lot of practice and a sprinkle of rng

[stone rune]

could have been way faster if i wasnt garbo

[long tree]

speedrunning modpack? does that only let you do bosses?

[stone rune]

no

[latent moon]

also thanks for reminding me to redownload dead cells to try it on controller and see if that makes me better even tho it def wont lmao

[stone rune]

it removes the more egregious elements of rng in the game

lets u set firdt hammer, guarantee 2sack, removes garbo minibosses (tony, barge, bull), fountain indicators

[latent moon]

if you want to download the speedrunning modpack it is available at https://www.speedrun.com/hades/resources
all of its features can be toggled on or off and it includes:
guaranteed 2 sack
guaranteed first hammer
first boon offers all 4 core boons
removes tiny vermin, asterius, and barge of death minibosses
shows fountain rooms
there are also a few qol features such as a quick reset feature and the ability to toggle hell mode, as well as a colorblind mode.

instructions for downloading the modpack are in the file "instructions.txt" in the modpack folder

[stone rune]

quick reset

[latent moon]

helps with consistency of runs

since now your runs wont die nearly as often lmao

[long tree]

oh nice

[stone rune]

i need to play at least 5 more runs before i stop playing this game

im at 95 sub6s

and then maybe get a sub5

and a zeus and achilles and 40 heat sub6

and then ill stop

[latent moon]

sounds like about 100 more complete runs lmao

or 200

[drowsy linden]

w game(play rogue legacy tloz mod)

[latent moon]

my brother in christ i haven't played in like over a year probably and i'm on 1bc idk what i'm doing in the game

[buoyant rapids]

uh, not loving the dash attack on arthur

[upper wolf]

yeah the hitbox is so weird

[buoyant rapids]

unless you're facing exactly the right direction you can miss by what feels like a pixel

some weapons you can literally do drive-by with dashes since their attacks are so wide

[upper wolf]

yeah it's really aggravating

Arthur didn't need that for sure lol

[buoyant rapids]

generally how dash attack works is one of my top criterias for me liking the weaponb

you just do it so much

[latent moon]

you dont have to on arthur tbf

for most people, the appeal is the big swing

[buoyant rapids]

I guess the point is that you can just stand and do ooga booga swings? I'm still trying to understand this thing

it definitely slows the pace of the game way down, but I'm not going for speedruns anyway so that's fine

[latent moon]

yeah that's pretty much the main appeal of it

iirc the third swing does like 300 base damage?

[buoyant rapids]

yeah, it's a lot. I think it kills the skelly in just two combos from stand still

[latent moon]

arthur is more or less supposed to be built like a tank, with the damage reduction and the 50 more hp

[drowsy linden]

slowdown:

[latent moon]

i guess that too

[jagged hamlet]

You can dash into Arthur combos so long as you dash after doing the first standing strike

[buoyant rapids]

still trying to find a weapon that's as comfy to me as hades spear. That thing is just so versatile. I know I will have a good run every time. You can use so many boons and playstyles

[buoyant rapids]

yeah arthur seems to have combo extensions with dashes. I couldn't figure out how to trigger it every time. I guess that's the answer. Pretty cool

[stone rune]

200

[drowsy linden]

sadly dad spear is horrible when you experience the truly good weapons and dont have flurry

[stone rune]

300 might be enough to make it actually usable

[latent moon]

oh lmao

close enough

[buoyant rapids]

what's wrong with hades' spear? It's got great spear moveset, mobility, and damage all the way

[latent moon]

hades spear doesn't have mobility

achilles spear does

[stone rune]

it doesnt have mobility or damage or a great moveset

[buoyant rapids]

am I talking about the wrong thing? 🤔

[stone rune]

unless u mean achilles

[latent moon]

maybe lmao

[drowsy linden]

when you havent experienced the great weapons, everything seems good sadly

[latent moon]

achilles has the raging rush for mobility

[stone rune]

are you talking about the spin aspect

[buoyant rapids]

I might mean achilles? I'm still trying to remember all the names lol

[latent moon]

hades spear does not have any sort of mobility

[stone rune]

or the rush aspect

[buoyant rapids]

no, not spin. The one where special is two stage gap close with damage

[stone rune]

yeah that ones good

thats achilles

[latent moon]

yeah that's the good spear

ignore the other ones

[drowsy linden]

hidden is fun

though it is hammer reliant

[stone rune]

all the spears are

[buoyant rapids]

I have guan yu unlocked, haven't tried yet. It better have something good if it cripples your life and regen that much

[grand bobcat]

me somehow managing to aim and throw achilles spear into the largest cluster of traps and lava (i was unaware of the consequences of pressing the special button)

[drowsy linden]

it needs high blood

-70% hp is VERY bad, -50% is ok

[latent moon]

ngl the best part of guan yu is the special lmao it's a built in exploding launcher
get charged skewer then play it like weird bow/hestia
dont get hit and win

charged skewer guan yu is a candidate for hitless runs so it's definitely strong

[buoyant rapids]

don't get hit and win seems to be the winning strategy across the board

[latent moon]

true but most of the time you dont have -50% max hp lmao

[drowsy linden]

no its getting enemy heath values to 0 or lower while keeping yours above 0

[latent moon]

also true

[buoyant rapids]

it's like racing. All you need to do is to be slightly faster than everybody else. Like, jeez. Why are people not winning all the time amiright

[latent moon]

true

why dont more people just do 64 heat smh

[jagged hamlet]

Definitely. Like jazz just needs to go a bit faster to get PBs. Very simple

[latent moon]

just win

[jagged hamlet]

Or shrimple, rather

[jagged shoal]

does fateful twist include the random boon bag?

oh wait, from the well not the shop

nevermind

[tender hound]

I have an idea for DLC - Zagreus learns that his parents once adopted a mortal child named Adonis. And Adonis grew up into a handsome man.

[buoyant rapids]

well, hades 2 is on the way. Also, adonis is kind of a taken name and character in greek mythos already

he was mortal, and was definitely mingling with several goddesses

[long tree]

not gonna get dlc with a new game on the way xd

... EM3 is tough its been a while i died in elysium

[runic jungle]

It's hilarious to me how a run I had with no call, just a maxed out zag exagryph, Zeus lightning attack and delta chamber ended up being one of my most smooth plays ever lolol
Didn't even use a death defiance against hades.
The game kept trying to give me Artemis aid and refused

Ik delta chamber basically makes zag rail kinda useless since it gives more ammo but I love not reloading

[drowsy linden]

one day i will get delta chamber

[formal citrus]

It does give you I frames during dashing though. Artemis to open up lightning rods is cool

[elder elm]

is there an achievement locked behind completing hades EM 4?

[jagged hamlet]

Nay 🐴

[drowsy linden]

the hardeest things are heat 16 and all max keepsakes

[foggy frigate]

why is guan spear so hard but arthur sword so OP

I'm running out of passion for breezing through

but I havent seen patroclus in like 6 runs and im starting to get butthurt that my main man achilles isn't gettin butthurt ykno

The dlc should be a war with olympus where you have to kill demigod minibosses for boons before the olympian gods for legendariesto get their boons

[stone rune]

OP is a funny word for garbage

and GY is pretty good

but GY is like 300 tiers above the utter trash that is arthur

[sage sphinx]

Er

Kinetic Launcher takes out the punch part of the special right?

So that it's only the projectile?

[stone rune]

should

[sage sphinx]

I uhhh bugged it lol

I think rare crop did it

[stone rune]

probably still detrimental lol

[sage sphinx]

Yeah probably

[stone rune]

the main benefit of kin launcher is the tiny start and end lag

[sage sphinx]

Yeahhhhh

I noticed it was way slower and then saw the punch effect

(also I know Arthur probably sucks in high heat but I like it ;_;)

Oh and the bug died after rare crop finished

Gah I tried EM4

And died

Am sad

I beat it my first attempt and haven't gotten it since

Whyyyyy

[latent moon]

em4 kinda hard

[stiff obsidian]

🤝

[tepid light]

Such is the em4 life

[nimble wren]

I beat EM4 on my 1st attempt too. I could not understand its true difficulty. The 2nd time I got destroyed

[buoyant rapids]

I guess there is such a thing as beginner's luck

[nimble wren]

I saw that beating EM4 unlocks stuff to buy. Are there any other conditions for the pact of punishment, that unlock things if you beat them maxed?

[last veldt]

Not that I recall. EM4 is kinda special.

[slow pivot]

Arthur is so fun

My favourite sword

[long tree]

I tried em3 it's also hard

[last veldt]

Arthur is great once you get into the rhythm. My favourite build for that is Aphro attack, Artemis special and hunter's mark. Use special to get hunter's mark flowing and do massive crits.

[upper wolf]

EM3 is arguably easier because you don't have to deal with Theseus and can focus Asterius

... arguably

Asterius is pretty angy

[long tree]

gotta get used to him

[last veldt]

Put him on the naughty step.

[tepid light]

I wouldn't say EM3 is necessarily easier so much as it is a sidegrade

Because theseus' bombs effectively shrink the arena

Which is rather unpleasant to deal with when the bull is charging or spinning at you

[brisk trail]

hi

is it possible to die to price of midas

just, i dunno, unlock it, get damaged by traps or sth

then die

and what would hypnos say

[mint coral]

My guess is that it wouldn't allow you to buy it

[upper wolf]

yeah you can't buy it if you would die

zag has a special line for it too, I think it's the same for being unable to enter a chaos gate but I'm not 100% sure

[kind saffron]

When does Persephone returns to the underworld? I've beaten the game 2 times so far and it doesn't look like she's coming

[mint coral]

10th clear

[kind saffron]

Can i do it without heat level?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[kind saffron]

Thanks

[long tree]

😄

[nimble wren]

I advise to get the ambrosia with the bounties of the heat levels. The first bounties are kinda the same thing as the base game if you get the easiest conditions

[kind saffron]

Still pretty hard as i can only beat hades when im lucky enough and I'm not really lucky

[nimble wren]

Don't worry. With more experience you will almost exclusively die against Hades

[kind saffron]

Yeah i die against hades all the time

[nimble wren]

If you only die to Hades, but never before him, you are pratically done. Just learn his patterns

[kind saffron]

I honestly just attack and hope for the best 😅 guess i will actually need to do something

[long tree]

I love using bows because safe distance

Works every time

For some reason I just can't get melee combat to work for me

[rose roost]

play meele weapons to get used to it

[long tree]

gonnna take me weekss to clear with them 😭

tried getting ME build but its hard to get that

[rose roost]

you could try zapfists

with zeus attk and more zeus boons

[jagged shoal]

Happened to me but with Charon instead

[nimble wren]

Charon humiliated me the 1st time, and the conversation was so on point too.

Zagreus says something like that he did what he did without even realizing, because he is used to take the stuff he finds. Same thing for me, I did not know what was happening. I saw something new and I took it. I have just realized a few moments before the fight what I did and what was going to happen

[jagged shoal]

Completely fair! In my case I knew it was coming, I just happened to have a good build the first time and be kinda struggling the second

[mint coral]

The best part is the dialogue with nyx about the fight

"hey nyx what if someone tried to steal charon"

[jagged shoal]

I dread the day I get an opportunity to start his 2 win streak bet

The prompt has literally not shown up since my last loss idk how many runs ago

[nimble wren]

I just maxed my affinity with both Charon and Hermes. Then stalk Hermes and hope for the best

[jagged shoal]

Oh no, I think I've gotten the prompt for the bet

I mean the money bag hasn't showed up in like at least a dozen runs if not (very probably) more

[kind saffron]

Any Reason to upgrade my main weapon more than for one aspect?

[upper wolf]

fun

[kind saffron]

Well guess its a no for now

[runic jungle]

Each time I get Hermes boons I die on the inside when I don't see side hustle
I want to get as much coins as i can get so I can buy the titans blood from Charon but ion think I'll ever have enough by the time I get there lol

[long tree]

different play-styles i would guess

[long tree]

never buy anything

[mint coral]

You can easily get enough money for Charon's blood without hustle

Also sell useless boons

Please

Any duo that you don't need is already 410 gold

And if you still have the pre rqes they'll keep showing up

If you are balling you can also always fight charon if he shows up lol

300+ coins + discount

[buoyant rapids]

first time I got into a charon fight I almost crapped myself. Zag basically took words out of my mouth. I had no idea what would happen if I take the purse

and that fight is a real slap if you're not prepared for it

[runic jungle]

I got bodied by Charon fight and never bothered to try it again lmao.
I tried the fight way too early in my run
I wasn't expecting it at ALL

I think I'll only go against him w ranged weapons though bc I'm not tryna box with Charon

[buoyant rapids]

his fight is not that hard once you get to know what's up. First time it's very hectic, so you don't have time to think about it

but yeah, if you encounter it early in the run it can be tough

[upper wolf]

boxing with charon is better than trying at range

dude's got range for days. Or nights. Whatever

whereas if you dash behind him you can punish his blows

[long tree]

managed to beat a run with the nemissis at 0 heat damn melee is tough.. xd

[upper wolf]

Congrats !

nemesis best sword

[long tree]

the crit thing is nice

[jagged shoal]

talos gauntlets, mistral dash and divine strike or divine dash and frost strike?

[stone rune]

i would choose to not be in this situation

both of those attacks are awful on fists

[jagged shoal]

fair enough

out of curiosity what would you take from any option not just those listed?

[stone rune]

zeus or ares

for attack

and tidal or divine dash

tidal if zeus

divine if ares

[jagged shoal]

fair i'll save demeter for a run that'll suit frost better

[runic jungle]

It's crazy to me how useful zues lightning chain attack is lol
Especially when paired with exagryph + delta chamber.

[stone rune]

delta chamber actually decreases the amount of zeus hits you get

[buoyant rapids]

i really like zeus in general, there's something for every build that you can take and it'll be useful. His call is one of the better ones I feel, and just getting some way to apply jolt fits any run IMO

[long tree]

i like his chain attacks + jolts

get double strike in the mix and even better

[drowsy linden]

how does jolted work with beam attacks

[lyric spade]

Are there any official posters that I can buy of Hades?

[drowsy linden]

https://www.fangamer.com/collections/new-and-featured/products/hades-underworld-triptych-print-set

[jagged shoal]

is explosive fire good?

and on hestia would you take it over hazard bomb?

[mint coral]

nah

[jagged shoal]

outright bad?

[latent moon]

explosive fire just isn't that useful in general lmao

[stone rune]

and hazard is great

[latent moon]

like it does something but not enough to actually warrant taking it over like most other options

[jagged shoal]

also wondering because the other rail i play is lucifer so i might not see this one for a while

[latent moon]

if it's for fated list then just take it

[jagged shoal]

hazard bomb is also fated

which makes it a hard choice

[latent moon]

then take hazard lmao

[jagged shoal]

yeah i think so

might get explosive on the second hammer anyway

and then anvil at the end

[drowsy linden]

for some reason i cant use beo cast while blocking

guess ill have to cope with mid rush cast

[stone rune]

you should be able to

mid rush casts are bad usually

[drowsy linden]

just my pc i guess, it worked with my old one

[stone rune]

do you have cast on a keyboard or mouse button

[drowsy linden]

keyboard

[stone rune]

could be a rollover issue

[jagged shoal]

https://www.mechanical-keyboard.org/key-rollover-test/

i think the usual industry standard is 6, correct me if i'm wrong though, but some keys like shift can act differently

yeah if shift is held it ignores the rollover limit, after released it can't be pressed again till a space frees up

[drowsy linden]

my keyboard should definitely be capable

[jagged shoal]

Strange then, hmm

Sorry you're having that issue, maybe it won't persist with an alternate keybind? but that's my only idea on it anyhow

[buoyant rapids]

I have once again fell for an elaborate ruse by skelly

[latent moon]

classic

[jagged hamlet]

Boyo.

[buoyant rapids]

this next thing under the cover better be good this time. Because he made me go through hell for...that

schelemeus my ass

[latent moon]

what heat are you on now?

[buoyant rapids]

I just started doing heat stuff yesterday. I beat heat 8 for the quest thingy today

I think I've been conservative with my heat, as I've been working through each heat level with each weapon and got to like 3 on each. 8 didn't feel much different. I might just bump it up to the next threshold see how it goes

still kinda working through some smaller story elements left unfinished

[latent moon]

lmao fair enough

[rugged pivot]

Is it necessary to play through higher heat levels? I've played some runs with heat to unlock all the rewards again

But it seems like increasing heat level doesn't actually make it possible to unlock boss rewards again

It's either no heat or heat

Is that the case?

[buoyant rapids]

rewards are given per weapon per heat level

[jagged hamlet]

Each tier of heat gives each boss its special reward back one time. 20 levels of heat and also 0 heat for a total of 21 times you can get each boss's reward

[buoyant rapids]

so, for example on a sword you can get rewards on heat 1, 2,3 etc

then can do it again on each weapon

[latent moon]

yeah the heat bounty rewards are weapon specific

so you can be at like 14 heat on sword but 3 heat on bow for bounties

you technically dont have to do heat to finish the story, but you wont be able to upgrade/unlock aspects

adding heat gives more run variety in terms of the aspect you use and the heat modifiers itself

[jagged hamlet]

Just fish and fish and fish for materials instead pfffff

[rugged pivot]

Okay so basically per each level I should be able to re-get my rewards

[buoyant rapids]

yes. Not just per level, but also per weapon. There's plenty of rewards to go around

[rugged pivot]

But I don't see the "?" On the rewards when I increase heat

[rugged pivot]

Yeah that I knew

It's just that I don't see rewards not being "?" Marked even when I increase heat a lot, and I have only played at heat 2

I'll check it out later though when I play, maybe I missed something

[buoyant rapids]

you may be using same heat you did prior on that weapon? Look at the heat gauge

when it's just right it's full, and it says "heat gauge full. New bounties available"

when it's not enough it'll not be filled. When it's too high then you can still get rewards anyway, for that heat level

[sour fog]

you have to also complete the tier to get the next one. So if you have heat 2 for example, and die during Hades fight, you won't be able to increase to 3 to get new rewards, you have to go through 2 again and finish the run

if you increase before that it will count as heat 2 rewards

[rugged pivot]

To me it says "too much heat, maybe decrease heat level?"

Something like that

But I only have 2 heat on

And I have already completed the run with that heat setup with like 4 weapons

So it shouldn't tell me it's too high

[sour fog]

it would be too high for the other two

if you haven't done heat 1

like technically you don't have to actually do it one by one, so you can finish heat 2 and then go to heat 10 for example, but it will only count as the lowest you haven't finished. So doing heat 10 like that would only give you rewards for heat 3, and then if you again did heat 10 it would give you rewards for heat 4 and so on

[long tree]

just do heat 50 from the start!

[buoyant rapids]

yes, with other weapons

every weapon has it's own heat progression

[rugged pivot]

I see so that means that I can play heat 2 runs again that I have won and I should gain rewards again

(feel free to ping me btw, I kinda forget to come back)

[rugged pivot]

That I knew

It's just weird the game doesn't list which ones I have already completed, or maybe I remember it wrong

[buoyant rapids]

it doesn't have to. You just pick a weapon, and go up in heat till you hit a tier that still has unclaimed rewards

you're not going to have rewards claimed from like tier 1,2,3, and 15. There will be no gaps iirc

[mint coral]

0 heat is the inly exception

[rugged pivot]

It's weird that it shows the rewards checked for any heat level

Just because I completed heat 2

But I'm not sure about this now that you mention it, I'll check the game out later today and see what's up

[sour fog]

well no, you still have to go up in heat. If you finish heat 2 you have to go at least heat 3 for the next rewards

but you could skip heat 3 and go straight to 10, and just keep doing heat 10

but when you actually reach heat 10 rewards and finish, you would have to then go at least 11

but all this is per weapon

so for another weapon you have to do it again

[rugged pivot]

Thing is I beat no heat with rail gun, I beat heat 2 shield, heat 2 sword, heat 2 bow, heat 2 spear

iirc these are all of my successful runs

Maybe I beat no heat shield too

So that means that if I play heat 2 again with let's say, sword, I will gain rewards anyway because I didn't play sword no heat and sword heat 1, right?

[rugged pivot]

Because from what I read here this should mean I have done heat 2 but it counts as heat 1 since I haven't done that yet

[rugged pivot]

Mh yeah exactly alr

[rugged pivot]

And yes this was clear to me

Alr thanks everyone I think I got the gist of it, no need to further continue speculating on my part since I don't actually remember what was the problem exactly with rewards showing up as checked, so I'll check out the game when I get back home first

[sour fog]

no heat is special category, but yeah, your sword heat 2 run would have actually counted as heat 1 for rewards

so yeah

you can do heat 1 without doing no heat and it counts as heat 1

[last veldt]

Blimey Hell Mode EM4 doesn't mess about.

Trying to learn it better but Personal Liability makes a big difference.

Wish I could easily snapshot a run to just practice that but I'm on console, so it's tedious.

[rugged pivot]

Alr just checked out the rewards and it's actually checked out, heat 2 is still free and heat 1 is checked out

While no heat is also not done yet

Good stuff, I'm glad it's clear

[last veldt]

Weird way to do it.

[long tree]

had to go trough all damn gates 😭

in the styx

[latent moon]

It do be like that sometimes

[upper wolf]

modded my beloved

guaranteeing a 2-sack should have been a vanilla feature

"Oh hey nyx, I took so long last time because I had to check every door to find a sack for cerberus !"
"This sucks, my child, I will give you the power to see where's the sack after you clear a single tunnel for the modest price of 532 darkness or something"

[long tree]

Hopefully that will be improved in hades 2 if there is such a mechanic

[quasi berry]

just finished a run with heat level 8, but didn't get the skelly statue. does it matter that I skipped a heat level?

[jagged hamlet]

Did you touch the statue after clearing?

[quasi berry]

lol. turned out I hadn't unlocked the prophecy

crap

ah it activates in retrospect

or whatever the proper english word is

[latent moon]

yeah the statues still unlock even if you beat the heat level before you're offered the quest

i think i beat like heat 20 or something before i realized there were skelly statues lmao

[jagged hamlet]

I beat 32 heat long before I figured out how to find and unlock the statues 😳

[latent moon]

i beat heat 50 on the 10th clear for the funnies on a new save

[long tree]

ooh im an Alpha in hades

[last veldt]

You probably meant "retroactively".

[quasi berry]

ah right

english is hard

thanks though

[upper wolf]

I beat heat 64 on my first clear !

[wary iron]

Hold up, wait a minute, smth ain’t right

[latent moon]

That could be modded in probably tbh

You're just gonna die because sword sucks lmao

And no Hermes hammers or chaos

[upper wolf]

and also because it's 64 heat lol

[latent moon]

That too

[long tree]

how does one evven do 64

i struggle with much lower heat unless im usinga bow

[sour fog]

one doesn't

[long tree]

so many nerfs you get lol

[upper wolf]

2 people managed a 64 heat unmodded

[long tree]

damn

[upper wolf]

No idea how many modded, but probably less than a dozen

[latent moon]

Another chooses not to beat it lmao

[latent moon]

One additional person beat it modded on a technicality

[upper wolf]

which is based tbh

[latent moon]

The technicality is that they didn't do it hell mode

And the bubble never procced

[upper wolf]

Oooh, interesting case

[latent moon]

And they've also bested 82 heat with the 99 heat mod

So like

Yeah lmao

[upper wolf]

What are the pacts added by 99 heat mod

[latent moon]

They're probably better than the other 2 people who actually beat it unmodded tbh lmfao

[latent moon]

It's just like the current pact but it goes to higher ranks

Like hl10 fo4 etc

The stuff that can't go higher don't go higher

Lemme find the sc

[upper wolf]

Would EM5 be:

• Skelly hit you with a steel chair when you exit the pool of styx
• Charon dual-wield oars
• A horde of tonys ambushes you as soon as you beat dad

[mint coral]

Add super barge too

[sour fog]

you have to fight persephone in the garden

[latent moon]

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[sour fog]

800% traps

get insta deleted by pots

[upper wolf]

AP0 kills me

[latent moon]

Tbh the issue with like 64 heat is AP cucking you

So like fair lmao

[upper wolf]

yeah I hate AP

[latent moon]

64 would've been beaten earlier if it wasn't for ap2 tbh

Ap1 would be manageable

[upper wolf]

And like, it's crazy how much worse AP2 is compared to AP1, the heat of some pacts don't make sense

[latent moon]

Cp moment

[upper wolf]

JS and CP too

yeah

CP1 carries like 80% of the difficulty of hell mode

ok maybe only 50%, with another 30% being JS1

[latent moon]

Lmao sounds about right

[true oak]

Is triple bomb alright with hidden rail?

[jagged hamlet]

It's optimal

[true oak]

ok i'll take it

[cunning mural]

Did a first try on beowulf 32 heat and immediately got hit with the 4 sack in styx and every duo boon under the sun besides mirage shot... Ouch

[mint coral]

that's why we take care of the duos we open

[long tree]

19k darkness left till maxed out mirror oof

last 2 are expensive

[balmy granite]

is the charon fight opportunity random?

I wanna beat him but bro's got hands

[long tree]

pretty sure its random only saw his money bag 3 times

fought him once and i got clapped

[balmy granite]

got any tips to fight him?

[long tree]

back to reality

[balmy granite]

ah then I assume not

I think shield should be insane against him seeing as his attacks only come from one side

[long tree]

i stumbled upon it by accident i was not prepared xd

[long tree]

they eventaully come from multiple sides

[balmy granite]

ah ok

[stone rune]

22% chance of bag appearing in each midshop

[balmy granite]

thanks, when should I fight him? I tried in tartarus and got destroyed

[long tree]

got him down to 1/4th hp

i used bow

[mint coral]

Tartarus gor most reward, safety go for at least aspho

Ideally ely

[balmy granite]

I have to beat him twice in a row

[mint coral]

Though really just try it whenever you can to actually learn its patterns

Oh for the bet just wait for ely lol

Or if you know the patterns do a 1 boon build like zeus shield or hestia

Then you could do it whenever

[balmy granite]

with the sisyphus shackle?

[mint coral]

Or aphro attack

Both are a 100% boost

[balmy granite]

I currently got a crit bow run

if I see him in ely ill fight him

[autumn rose]

no D:

[balmy granite]

why not

idk much ngl lol, I've been playing this game with no guides for almost 70 hours now

[autumn rose]

i played my first 300 runs without watchin anything about hades

i had never even used eris

but anyways

[autumn rose]

fighting charon early is easier w these kinda builds

but shackle won't affect ur main source of attack

[balmy granite]

zeus shield with aphro attack?

or zeus attack?

[autumn rose]

zeus special

[balmy granite]

awh come on

[autumn rose]

[balmy granite]

as I said

ah the meta I saw in 64 heat

[autumn rose]

meta for 64 heat

but ur gonna have zeus keepsake on to get his special in the first place

so no shackle

[balmy granite]

ah ye true

well I'll try ely first

gonna go with Artemis crit bow or smth

also wanted to ask who pairs with Artemis the best

by far my favorite boons

I use her all the time

[autumn rose]

aphrodite gives heart rend

heart rend go brrr

[balmy granite]

I beat like four runs with poseidon exit wounds lol

[autumn rose]

i love poseidon

[mint coral]

For zag bow using heart rend is kinda annoying

Assuming arte atk that's it

[latent moon]

Passion dash tho

[autumn rose]

whar...

[latent moon]

Passion dash heart rend zag bow is only slightly cursed

[balmy granite]

I got true ending a few years ago but I reinstalled the game this week to revisit, didn't realize how much more there is left to the game lol

[autumn rose]

there do be a lot of stuff

and we do love a good meme build too

☕

[balmy granite]

gonna be a bit until then lol

currently doing story stuff

[upper wolf]

blood and darkness AP sucks so effing much

[drowsy linden]

to 100%, its INCREDIBLY hard due to dialogue

[drowsy linden]

just run boonless🧠

[upper wolf]

I hate AP I hate AP I hate AP

Also I tried some RI

I wish the mirror was arranged differently

[long tree]

AP?

[upper wolf]

So happy to have 0 healing every room rather than rerolls

Approval Process

One of the pacts of punishment

that remove one options from the 3 on every boon (and hammer because why not)

or two options on higher level

[drowsy linden]

-1 choice when offered boons/poms/hammers, up to -2 choices

[upper wolf]

AP3 when

[drowsy linden]

gives 2/3 heat

[upper wolf]

given that AP manages to always snipe the boon I want, AP1 and AP3 are the same anyway

heat is so arbitrary tbh

[balmy granite]

I love listening to the dialogue

[long tree]

i dont like that tiny vermin boss 😠

[round hill]

Just learned im the top 1% of darren korb listeners lol

[mint coral]

Tony is a tough rat

[buoyant rapids]

lol the bot is triggered by just about anything

[long tree]

the no no words bot?

[buoyant rapids]

anyway, it was a rant about asphodel. Terrible area, unfun lava mechanics in every game is just the same poison swamp just with a different colour, nobody ever asks for it. Terrible enemies, like bombers that just jump from one edge of the map to the other and do nothing but waste time

[buoyant rapids]

yes

[long tree]

yeah its annoying lol

[jagged shoal]

Asphodel has the lava but the enemies aren't nearly as bad as Elysium

[buoyant rapids]

at least in elysium you have good area to fight, and you can actually use traps to your advantage. Bombers just taking off into stratosphere and emerging on other side of the map behind two lava rivers every time you approach them is so annoying

it really just takes more time than it should, that is all

[mint coral]

Curb your asphodel still carries its legacy even to new players