i tried the 2nd phase once and it just kept using some attack where the whole arena was filled with circles that explode
#h1-discussion
jade moss
mint coral
most effects aren't really noticeable ngl
jade moss
i guess the only way to dodge it is to just dash when the circles are about to explode
mint coral
yeah
jade moss
but its just so much trouble when you can just get the bull instead for the 2nd phase
and all the bull does is run after u and sometimes leap forward
mint coral
dealing with theseus while the bull is harassing you is way worse though 
jade moss
i usually damage both of them at the same time
mint coral
dodging theseus is just paying attention to the cursor on you every once in a while
jade moss
so by the time i kill theseus the bull is at like 20% hp or less
mint coral
if you have the dmg for that then is fine
jade moss
the main reason that happens is cuz
mint coral
90% of the time asterius first is the answer
jade moss
theseus has shield
so if i try to attack him, he blocks it and it just hits the bull only
mint coral
maybe you could get more hits with ease if the bull wasn't being annoying while leaping and rushing you
jade moss
imma try to kill the bull next time first
but i usually get thru that fight without losing a single death defiance by killing theseus first
but imma see if its easier the other way
mint coral
end of the day if it works for you it works
also saving your call for Theseus phase change is a good option
just try to nuke as much of his health before the shield comes back
jade moss
which door should i take with shield, chaos or the ice granny
jade moss
alr, im not gonna use shield throw at all during this run probably
cuz it does so little damage compared to my attack
mint coral
yeah shield special is bad
unless you have zeus aspect which I don't think you have rn
jade moss
the first couple times i used shield, i only used the throw and nothing else
got to hades 2nd phase with that and died
i never even touched the normal attack or charge attack during that run
jade moss
so is chaos like some most powerful god even surpassing hades in the underworld?
and are all the other gods in the normal human world or something im so confused
mint coral
Chaos is just basically the one who everything came from
they exist on their own realm, vibing and being amused by zag attempts of escaping
the olympians are in well, mt olympus so yeah they are in the human world basically
mint coral
I say attack cuz your best hammers are more attack focused
mint coral
ouch
mint coral
I mean is whatever tbh, at least it makes a difference rn
jade moss
does the shield have same thing as bow where the power thing comes faster after a dash
jade moss
i finally got meg in the boss fight
this means she is gonna be in the house after this run?
mint coral
probably
jade moss
jade moss
zeus aid, divine dash, heartbreak strike, urge to kill, minotaur rush, halting strike
mint coral
dw I know the icons 
(for better or worse)
jade moss
is using the well of charon worth it ever
for buffs that last for certain amount of encounters
or the rarity buffs
jade moss
i have 374
jade moss
mint coral
I'd take yarn there
mint coral
basically
on some things it doesn't matter that much cuz you can pom
hermes wants rarity tho
limited boons/can't be pommed/lower base chance for rarity on his boons
others rarity helps more like aphro attack
common is in the range of 50% and epic goes to 100% both at lvl 1
doom attack is also the same
50 vs 100
jade moss
hermes wants rarity tho
his boons cant be upgraded?
mint coral
not through poms at least
jade moss
oh
mint coral
if you meet eurydice in asphodel you can gamble with the "upgrade rarity of 2 boons at random"
jade moss
i hate the lava area so much because the enemies just runs away instead of attacking
mint coral
aspho moment
jade moss
especially annoying with butterfly
keep taking dmg from lava and some bombs they leave behind when dying
not sure if butterfly is even worth it tho
stone rune
butterfly sux
jade moss
probably better to use god keepsakes and then lucky tooth in the last boss
and with fists the keepsake that gives dodge chance
stone rune
that is definitely not the one you want to use
jade moss
wym
stone rune
plume is not good for its intended purpose of giving dodge chance and move speed
jade moss
it gives you about 30% dodge chance, stacking with the aspect
and when you get the hermes boon it gives you ALOT of damage
stone rune
yeah or you could have a good build with god keepsakes
ME is hard enough to get with both keepsakes
jade moss
hermes gives you damage based on your speed, and that keepsake boosts it alot as far is know
jade moss
i got like 80% damage for attack once from hermes i think
tepid light
jazz what does that even mean
first you say it's not good at its intended purpose
and then you say something entirely different by saying it's "not a good build"
jade moss
when i had the plume and the aspect
stone rune
jazz what does that even mean
first you say it's not good at its intended purpo...
i feel like this is very obvious
having plume means you can't force gods
because you keep the plume on
which means your build is worse
jade moss
well yea
with that keepsake its more luck based
but if you do get hermes
your build becomes really powerful
tepid light
i feel like this is very obvious
then why did you say "plume is not good for its intended purpose of giving dodge chance and move speed"
that has nothing to do with forcing gods or the build itself
that just says "plume bad" in general
jade moss
i also love the dodge chance and move speed
stone rune
it is bad at its intended purpose for giving you movespeed and dodge
stone rune
because those boosts are nearly useless
jade moss
imagine if you get some really hard hitting thing hit you
and it just gets dodged
that can save alot of runs
stone rune
what if you just killed the thing instead
tepid light
because those boosts are nearly useless
cool, that still has nothing to do with what you said initially
stone rune
no rng required
jade moss
what if its hades and you get hit a couple times and your healthbar is gone
but with plume
tepid light
like i don't use plume either
jade moss
you have like 60% chance to dodge it
tepid light
but i legit don't understand your arguments here
stone rune
dawg
plume is bad because it is not a god keepsake and has opportunity cost in early regions and is weak in late regions
using it for its intende purpose sucks
and it does have niche uses
in speedrunning
jade moss
plume and the dodge aspect combined with athena dash is really good imo
makes you nearly immortal
stone rune
but those uses are for one biome for something basically not even intended'
tepid light
plume is bad because it is not a god keepsake and has opportunity cost in early ...
"in speedrunning", never change jazz
stone rune
what
it has niche uses in speedrunning
yes
it has no real use outside of that context
jade moss
???
jade moss
ok so if you are so good at the game that you can avoid every attack on your own, then its probably worthless (if you ignore the massive damage boost hermes gives you for having that keepsake)
stone rune
that is not what i said?
sure it gives dodge chance
that's still worse than just
having a good build
by using god keepsakes
its not like i never get hit
jade moss
hermes is not as good if you dont have the keepsake
stone rune
but dodge is unreliable
stone rune
hermes is not as good if you dont have the keepsake
hermes is still very good without plume
jade moss
and hermes is the best thing along with athena you can get with fists
stone rune
RD is still 50 to 100% global additive
plume just makes it moderately more likely to get RD
jade moss
idk what rd is
jade moss
is rush delivery the thing that increases damage the more speed you have?
stone rune
yes
jade moss
plume just makes that ALOT stronger
tepid light
it's not like plume and hyper sprint and w/e are mutually exclusive
stone rune
well yeah
i mean rd is kinda worthless if u just have plume
with no sprint
woohoo 15% additive
tepid light
depends on rarity
stone rune
doesnt
jade moss
aka more damage to the rush delivery
stone rune
thats zagsword
tepid light
thats zagsword
zagreus fists give dodge chance
jade moss
i would use plume alone
stone rune
zagreus fists give dodge chance
but not movespeed
tepid light
ah
jade moss
i use it with the fist aspect that also increases dodge
tepid light
didn't see that part
jade moss
tepid light
meanwhile i'm just waiting for the day i get bad news and can finally complete that prophecy
stone rune
this is why we dont take call before hermes 🗿
just take one of the prophecied ones
all of these suck
tepid light
with a selection like that i'd just take quick favor
jade moss
idk why i got hermes with the zeus keepsake
stone rune
what i would have done is not have taken a call before hermes and not have been in this situation in the first place
stone rune
idk why i got hermes with the zeus keepsake
hermes is separate
he can only appear twice per run
and can appear before a god of a god keepsake
tepid light
what i would have done is not have taken a call before hermes and not have been ...
saying that doesn't really change his situation now
stone rune
well it's advice for the future
jade moss
why is hermes so different
from other gods
like cant upgrade, appears only twice
etc
stone rune
his boosts are significantly different
jade moss
does hermes have a aid
stone rune
hermes often makes or breaks a run
no
on whether or not you get sprint + rush delivery
jade moss
the final boss is gonna be hella difficult without the boon that makes you run fast after a dash
well i atlesat have athena dash so should be easier
tepid light
athena dash my beloved
jade moss
that has to be my favorite boon in the game
tepid light
you can't go wrong with it, at the very least
tepid light
well there's also poseidon dash
stiff obsidian
Delta chamber my beloved
tepid light
which is also amazing
jade moss
poseidon dash, knockback enemies
zeus, shoot low dmg lightning bolts
athena, ignore dmg and reflect it back
tepid light
it's really just athena and poseidon dashes
mint coral
poseidon dash, knockback enemies
tidal dash has the highest dmg of all dashes
also styx deleter
tepid light
styx delter
mint coral
styx delter
I hope hermes doesn't show up in your runs
stone rune
just take battle rage
jade moss
i got zeus and the best one i could get from it was jolted
and i have no lightning stuff i think
tepid light
how can you get jolted without any lightning attacks
mint coral
and i have no lightning stuff i think
you have call
stone rune
vengeance
jade moss
oh yea the call
stone rune
LR
jade moss
shouldi take vengeance or battle rage
tepid light
battle rage
stone rune
just take battle r age
stiff obsidian
i wanna do an ares zeus duo boon run again
I've never gotten it
Except once for prophecy
jade moss
now i have option to take another ares or health up
mint coral
ares doesn't offer much
jade moss
my health is only 150
tepid light
can't go wrong with more health
mint coral
health gud
stone rune
hera sux
stiff obsidian
Hera does succiks
stiff obsidian
I can't aimge
tepid light
Hera is fun but it's a special kind of irritating when you miss your shot and your casts go flying off into the lava in asphodel
jade moss
dying lament or smoldering air
tepid light
dying lament or smoldering air
with zeus call? smouldering air
formal orbit
You have to do the wallbug for hera to be nearly as good as beo
jade moss
u sure?
stone rune
or every other boss being bad
jade moss
arent like all calls better at 100%
stone rune
no
jade moss
and smoldering caps it at 25
stone rune
most calls are worse at 100
you want to do small calls with nearly every call
zeus dio are the ones that matter
formal orbit
Athena work with both i guess
stiff obsidian
Athena call best call
tepid light
athena call, aka the perfect panic button
20 uninterrupted seconds of wailing on things
stone rune
jade moss
i have some other boon that also makes it faster i think
stone rune
i want to do arty
tepid light
i have some other boon that also makes it faster i think
you took quick favor, remember?
tepid light
quick favor sucks though
scroll back up, his hermes selection was bad
formal orbit
Quick favor is baller at heat tho
tepid light
so why comment
jade moss
1% every 1.5 sec
jade moss
that with the smoledring
makes the zeus call charge to 25% in like 5 seconds
or something
tepid light
why does that matter when it was again his only choice and time clearly isn't a concern here
tepid light
given that he remarked that he might have another boon that makes the call charge faster
it literally was worth mention
tepid light
i have 600 money idk if i should go to shop or pom
shop, that's a lot of money
stone rune
that's not what worth mention means in this instance
yes it's worth noting that that is what they were thinking about
but it is not a meaningful contribution to call charge
tepid light
yes it's worth noting that that is what they were thinking about
this was the sole reason i mentioned it
i said nothing about a meaningful contribution or otherwise
stone rune
well yeah
and then i noted that it was not a meaningful contribution
and then you yelled at me
jade moss
only thing i got from shop was chance for double lightning and a random pom upgrade
stone rune
like always
jade moss
and some darkness
tepid light
i'm hardly yelling, but fine, i'll cease commenting on the matter
formal orbit
Tbf, unless you’re speedrunning, most hermes boon are ok to great
Except for stuff like swift strike and flourish on some aspect
formal orbit
My personal favorite is quick favor with clouded judgment
Smair at home without the cap
jade moss
i keep forgetting to use my call
cuz im used to using it at 100%
what keepsake should i use now? im in elysium now
tepid light
have you been using plume all this time
tepid light
ah
jade moss
been using god keepsakes
tepid light
then just take something that'll help you against dad
jade moss
i can switch to that in the next keepsake changing thing
im gonna use the lucky tooth against him
should i use cosmic egg in elysium or something
tepid light
....for some reason i thought you were in styx already, my bad
formal orbit
Then acorn, you should level that up anyway
jade moss
formal orbit
Acorn
jade moss
ok
formal orbit
You really should have it maxed
tepid light
I haven't used acorn in a while but I probably should start using it again
With how hard dad hits
tepid light
With hl5, acorn supremacy
guess what i'm running, LMAO
jade moss
do shield m1s always deflect?
tepid light
do shield m1s always deflect?
nope
tepid light
i believe it also increases the time you need to fully charge up your shield charge
jade moss
yea, i got suddent rush now
so its prolly better
the other 2 were for special that i dont need since im not using it
tepid light
yeah if you have sudden rush it's workable
jade moss
its actually so fast now wtf
jade moss
i used minotaur rush for just entering the fight
and taking a chunk out of the enemies hp
formal orbit
People dislike minotaur rush because charged shot exist
jade moss
but with this upgrade it now charges to power almsot instantly
formal orbit
Sudden rush mess with muscle memory
jade moss
just listen to the sound que
i dont even look at the weapon really
i just release it when i hear the sound
tepid light
me getting empowering flight on zeus shield
formal orbit
It’s a whatever hammer
You don’t really need second hammer for zeus
Ferocious guard is nice but not necessary
tepid light
It’s a whatever hammer
it's infinitely better on zeus though
as is explosive return, for obvious reasons
tepid light
it's excellent in general on zeus
jade moss
tepid light
huh
jade moss
?
jade moss
i think i dont have any attack boon yet
so maybe athena could give me deflect attack or aphrodite the weakness attack
tepid light
wait but you've got lvl 2 aphrodite strike right there
jade moss
nvm i think i have it already
humble willow
so maybe athena could give me deflect attack or aphrodite the weakness attack
If you want an "attack boon" get Zeus, Posidon or Ares (doom is very good). Aphrodite and Dionysus aren't all that good in my opinion. Athena and Hermes are more for defense.
tepid light
i'm sorry but
poseidon strike is regarded as one of if not the worst attack boons in the game due to the low % modifier
whereas aphrodite strike is regarded as one of the best
jade moss
If you want an "attack boon" get Zeus, Posidon or Ares (doom is very good). Aphr...
i have only seen ppl saying doom is the worst thing in the game
humble willow
Good thing i said "in my opinion"
signal aspen
If you want an "attack boon" get Zeus, Posidon or Ares (doom is very good). Aphr...
i love hermes attack boon
humble willow
i have only seen ppl saying doom is the worst thing in the game
I love it 🤷🏻♂️
tepid light
doom can perfectly well be good, it just depends on the aspect/weapon
humble willow
i love hermes attack boon
Hermes boons are usually defensive with the exception of attack speeds
jade moss
does hangover affect hades btw
tepid light
does hangover affect hades btw
yes
tepid light
no, hangover is just the stacking damage over time effect
jagged hamlet
Hermes is like hella offense-oriented though between Rush Delivery, Bad News, extra dashes, etc. though
jade moss
shield, fists and gun is my favorite weapons in this game
tepid light
doesnt it make them like
are you thinking of festive fog?
jade moss
yea
tepid light
bosses are immune to stuns and (mostly) knockbacks
but any damage associated with those effects will still work on them
jade moss
the weapon i hate the most is probably spear because of how precise you need to be with the attacks, bow i hate because the dash power strikes are not fun at all
humble willow
If you want an "attack boon" get Zeus, Posidon or Ares (doom is very good). Aphr...
When i see boons the order i usually go for is
Posidon > Athena > Ares > Zeus > Aphrodite > Dionysus > Hermes > Demeter
Sometimes Zeus, Dionysus and Demeter a bit more if i fancy it but usually thats my order
jade moss
and sword is decent i guess
i just dont like using weapons where you need to spam click to attack, thats why i love shield and gun and fists
signal aspen
When i see boons the order i usually go for is
Posidon > Athena > Ares > Zeus >...
how is hermes above demeter if he doesnt even have an attack boon
jagged hamlet
When i see boons the order i usually go for is
Posidon > Athena > Ares > Zeus >...
Where are you getting this info?
tepid light
Where are you getting this info?
he's speaking based off of personal preference
and speaking in general
humble willow
how is hermes above demeter if he doesnt even have an attack boon
His extra dash and side hustle. Rest of his boons are meh but those 2 are super useful
humble willow
Where are you getting this info?
From playing the game. My opinion and how i like the gods and their boons
humble willow
I do not, i'll take extra dash and side hustle and that is it.
jade moss
also, with plume and other speed stuff, your damage is insane
if you take the boon that increases your dmg based on speed
formal orbit
I feel like i’m reading reddit rn
latent moon
I do not, i'll take extra dash and side hustle and that is it.
ngl it'd be better if you got used to it because rush delivery is a top tier boon that can boost your damage a lot
tepid light
You're allowed to have your own preferences and perspectives of course
jagged hamlet
But but mah speedruns
humble willow
ngl it'd be better if you got used to it because rush delivery is a top tier boo...
I'm not a noob lmao. Its just what i enjoy 😂 ive found generally i don't like hermes boons, i'd much rather take a posidon or Ares boon or even a centur heart
jagged hamlet
I'm being facetious, of course. Or am I 
jade moss
i hate ares
latent moon
on the other hand
double damage kinda good
jade moss
all ares gives you are some stuff that happens if you take damage
latent moon
that's just 1 boon
jade moss
well the cast is pretty good
latent moon
i got it once
jade moss
i just dont like doom, and i have never seen anyone liking it either
latent moon
it's only good in 1 build
humble willow
I'm not a noob lmao. Its just what i enjoy 😂 ive found generally i don't like h...
Pretty much the only things ive found i havent picked over a hermes boon is gems and charon coins.
tepid light
Aspect of Bananas as a fist aspect when
humble willow
Everything else it depends on what i have and how in feeling if i take hermes or not
tepid light
You leave behind banana peels that stun
latent moon
unfortunately it might make more sense for it to be a sword aspect
tepid light
Fair
latent moon
or rail if you're boomeranging them
tepid light
or rail if you're boomeranging them
No no, just have it be a big banana that zagreus holds like a rifle
latent moon
No no, just have it be a big banana that zagreus holds like a rifle
honestly based
wait what is that
latent moon
Isn’t jazz got the triple epic hermes combo once?
tepid light
Bananas just found his new favorite game
jade moss
if i was the bull i would just give up and move somewhere else
dude is getting folded in the 1v1 and the later in the 2v1
and still for some reason follows orders from theseus
humble willow
I have so many ideas for rogue-likes SGG could make. They should hire me, dont even gotta pay. I'll do it for free
jade moss
does blinding flash make your dash expose enemies if you have athena dash
jade moss
should i take that or phalanx shot
tepid light
should i take that or phalanx shot
given that you have zeus
i'd say phalanx shot
just to get the duo
jade moss
what duo
latent moon
i personally wouldn't lmao the duo isn't that helpful unless you're building around the cast to begin with
jade moss
only zeus boon i have is the call
tepid light
i personally wouldn't lmao the duo isn't that helpful unless you're building aro...
i'd still consider it a bit more helpful than exposed
nice bit of aoe
latent moon
i guess but what's the third option lmao
humble willow
I actually rarely use calls. I do not enjoy them im ngl
I find it annoying keeping track of my meter whilst everything is going on
jade moss
divine flourish is the 3rd option
i dont use special in this run
imma take phalanx
its epic
the blinding flash is rare
stiff obsidian
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1095044338481897563/...
I remember I got this
I had a choice between haste and +3 and took the dashes instead
latent moon
i think i got haste in like styx or something idr
but yeah dashes would be better
actually would it idk
dashes prob better
stiff obsidian
What is 3rd
latent moon
skip is the third option special lmao
jade moss
divine flourish
stiff obsidian
Idk what aspect this is
latent moon
start off the room with a call might as well
jade moss
i never remember to use my call
latent moon
well then remember lmao
jade moss
i dont have aspects
stiff obsidian
Oh
jade moss
5% less dmg from foes
kinda good too i guess
if it stacks
i forgot if i have any other boons like that tho
latent moon
i forgot if i have any other boons like that tho
going over your boons in your boon menu gives you their description
jade moss
imma just take the 5%, maybe that will save my life in the last boss
theres been situations where the boss is at low hp and like a single hit hp difference would have saved me
latent moon
you're saving 2 hp per swing lmao
formal orbit
What the difference between bronze skin and different league?
latent moon
i think if i did the math right
jade moss
going over your boons in your boon menu gives you their description
theres just so many of them
also
you cant look at them when selecting a boon
latent moon
wdym
jade moss
oh nvm
latent moon
just hit the boon menu button lmao
jade moss
which rooms would you take, darkness or gems
jade moss
gems is like 5 gems per room i think
i forgot howm uch darkness iss
isnt it like 10 only
jade moss
gems are just like cosmetic for the most part
i dont have all the upgrades yet
some upgrade showed up that costs 500 that makes the chests better
humble willow
gems are just like cosmetic for the most part
I mean the stuff for runs, room unlocks and zags room furniture all provide something outside of cosmetics.
latent moon
the only thing in zag's room that isn't cosmetic is the lyre
well i guess like certain other stuff does give info
but they dont give you anything back
in terms of resources
humble willow
The only time you really pick gems over anything else tho is if your other option is charon coins and ur rich or you've alnost finished the game
jade moss
is hydralite worth it at half hp
latent moon
yeah might as well
humble willow
the only thing in zag's room that isn't cosmetic is the lyre
Nah some stuff give u stats. Like the water well thing tells you how many enemies you've killed total and something else
jade moss
after i got some money upgrades im swimming in money
i have like 600 again
i just spent like 600 too
latent moon
Nah some stuff give u stats. Like the water well thing tells you how many enemie...
i said right after that none of that gives you anything back lmao
it's nice but not like important
humble willow
Eh, still wouldnt call it cosmetic. It has a purpose beyond looking nice and i find it useful sometimes
jade moss
its the other one
latent moon
what biome lmao
latent moon
patroclus
jade moss
yea
latent moon
my speedrunner/high heat brain says go patty but that's up to you tbh
jade moss
my hp is 225 and im full hp, full lives
latent moon
what weapon are you using
jade moss
shield
jade moss
hmm, but then again hades is kinda hard without alot of hp
latent moon
temporary but it'll last you through the heroes fight
humble willow
hmm, but then again hades is kinda hard without alot of hp
Skill issue if ive ever heard it
latent moon
dash through them
jade moss
and i just get my hp bar destroyed
i sometimes dash into them 2 times
and take dmg 2 times
LOL
imma take hp
humble willow
The worst part of the hades fight is the souls he spawns in. Mad annoying trying to fight him and watch out for some dude trying to poke me with his spear
jade moss
i just attack the adds when hes invisible
but the skulls turn into the green rings right?
latent moon
yeah
jade moss
so i try to kill as many of them as i can
latent moon
that's more or less what you're supposed to do
jade moss
the green rings wouldnt be so much of a problem but
i tend to panic and just dash into them
in the second phase the green urns are a real pain in the ass
if i destroy them i take dmg, but if i dont destroy them im gonna take damage from them anyway later i fthey get in the way
not a problem with ranged like gun or bow tho
latent moon
if you have a damaging dash, you should be able to double dash through pots without taking damage
depends on the aoe of the dash, but you dont have to go right through the pot to break it
stiff obsidian
I try to bait Hades swing to clear most of them
jade moss
gonna enter the 2v1 bossfight now, theseus is most likely gonna destroy me cuz of his shield
that boss is so annoying without aoe stuff
open hull
kill the bull first
jade moss
why
open hull
bull with thesues aoe is much harder
open hull
especially with dem theseus and charge
jade moss
while theseus can block like everytihng
if i kill bull first then theseus is gonna become even more annoying
open hull
while theseus can block like everytihng
attack after his spear
jade moss
while also getting some tp attacks
open hull
he turns his back
latent moon
map wide aoe
he still has that when the bull is still alive??
bull is better to kill first because theseus doesn't actively chase you around
jade moss
imma get both to low hp actually
latent moon
if you separate them enough he only throws the spear, and there's a sound and visual indicator of when it's about to get thrown
if you go for theseus first, you have to deal with his god call, him, and the bull
jade moss
nvm it doesnt even matter, i can just kill bull and then theseus at that point
latent moon
which is a pain in the ass
open hull
imma get both to low hp actually
do you have companions yet
jade moss
i have like 10 nectar and almost 10 ambrosia
i have given her like 4 i think
or 5
ok i just killed theseus in his enraged phase and its definitely harder than the bull
formal orbit
I kinda forget the base heros lmao
jade moss
i took damage in it while in the bull 2nd phase you cant really take dmg unless you are half asleep
formal orbit
Em3 I ironically make the heros fight easier
jade moss
i wonder which gods or heroes are like the most powerful in the lore
formal orbit
The timing is more tight yeah but theseus is less anoying
jade moss
i would imagine hermes is one of the most powerful just because he is so fast
achilles is not a god right?
hes just a normal human or something
latent moon
something like that yeah
stiff obsidian
I kinda forget the base heros lmao
play speed 
formal orbit
Achilles is a demi god
jade moss
idk who the other ppl in the house are
i just know hades is the king of the underworld in the mythology
also i heard achilles somewhere
oh yea i remember achilles died when arrow hit him in the heel
formal orbit
Achilles is the dude who die because of a prince who couldn’t keep it in his pant
jade moss
and thats where the achilles tendon word comes from
i know some other ppl from the greek mythology but they arent in this game i think
actually idk
formal orbit
Iirc, the troyan war is caused by aphrodite
jade moss
i've read something about cu chulainn but im not sure if it was greek mythology
🤔
should i try to get the hermes
latent moon
what are your current hermes boons
jade moss
jade moss
damn
the final boss was so easy now that i remembered to use my call
i was just spamming zeus and m1 with shield and killed him really fast
brisk trail
i was just spamming zeus and m1 with shield and killed him really fast
zeus call is incredibly powerful
also don't forget the cast
I uhh, lost 3 dds and almost a run to hades em4
hades had 2 dds apparently
latent moon
i was just spamming zeus and m1 with shield and killed him really fast
zeus call kinda good lmao
smair even more so
calls also give you iframes when activating so it's safety + damage into 1 boon lmao
jade moss
i just never remember to use boons at 25%
i mean calls
im so used to just using them at 100%
tepid light
i just never remember to use boons at 25%
If you like artemis and aphrodite call as I do, you'll never break the habit
jade moss
i have never used aphrodite call
tepid light
Aphrodite call is basically necessary to use at 100%
If you use it below that, all it does is charm an enemy
jade moss
i just heard its completely useless
the duration ends before the enemy can hit another enemy or something
tepid light
But at 100%, the projectile does 2500 damage to a single enemy
Making it quite funny against bosses
jade moss
hades is immune to it
tepid light
hades is immune to it
He's not, actually
bosses can be charmed, it just lasts much shorter
And the damage still goes through
jade moss
i read from reddit or from somewhere that if you try to use it against hades he just laughs at u
tepid light
I uhh
Would not recommend random reddit users as reliable sources
And I'm quite certain from the hundreds of times I've used aphrodite call against hades
That it works
tepid light
The damage is the important part
tepid light
Though ngl it's funny and rather helpful when hades turns and oneshots the elite enemy he just summoned
upper wolf
2.5 k damage is kinda deceptive
Arte, Zeus or Dio will give you more damage
For Zeus and Dio, over multiple small calls
But same amount of gauge used
Aphro call charm should AOE I guess, to be useful
formal orbit
Zeus with double strike and legendary can go up to 1900 to 2000 easily
tepid light
2.5 k damage is kinda deceptive
Having it all contained in just one single tracking projectile does have its uses
last veldt
i read from reddit or from somewhere that if you try to use it against hades he ...
Yes, but it can also cancel his current attack and make him face away from you. It's not much of an effect though.
I think aphro call is one of the classic beginner traps. It's great when the boss fights last long enough to build the call a few times, but as you play more that just stops happening and you get at most one good call out of it.
tepid light
Yes, but it can also cancel his current attack and make him face away from you. ...
I'm not sure I agree with the implication that boss fights last shorter as you keep playing
Since a lot of heat modifiers can make bosses all the harder to kill
formal orbit
the only thing I hate about charming hades that it can make the fight really unpredictable
since he will continue the last interupted attack
sudden sweep and bam, half your health gone
tepid light
But if you realize that, it's not too hard to avoid it
formal orbit
yeah but annoying nonetheless
tepid light
Fair enough
jade moss
i dont even pay any mind to attack patterns
i just spam dash if im close range melee and hope it dodges it
if im ranged then i obviously dodge attacks and dash away to keep distance
jade moss
athena dash
formal orbit
if you watch top player vods, they time boss attack to iframe it
jade moss
😼
tepid light
learning to time dashes against attacks is a skill one just picks up over time as runs get more difficult
jade moss
the game is too fast paced to be staring at attacks
rather just get all the damage i can
with dash attacks
tepid light
the game is too fast paced to be staring at attacks
but at some point it gets so fast-paced that if you don't take every advantage you can you just won't kill stuff fast enough
upper wolf
Since a lot of heat modifiers can make bosses all the harder to kill
honestly not that much. Calistenic Programs is the most obvious one, and then big aggressive pacts like FO or HL can force you to play more defensively, meaning the fights take longer... But that also means your gauge fills faster, so it's doesn't really change anything
and ofc EM4, but that's EM4. You're gonna get swatted no matter what lol
formal orbit
the game is too fast paced to be staring at attacks
you should watch this, the best sword gameplay I've ever seen
upper wolf
it's only time based with smoldering air or that one (kinda bad) hermes boon
jade moss
i dont rly wanna watch any hades videos to not spoil myself
upper wolf
valid
jade moss
and i wanna figure out most of the stuff on my own, with some little help from here too ofc
upper wolf
it's only time based with smoldering air or that one (kinda bad) hermes boon
and also, aphro call with smoldering air is very sad, so your only hope it epic quick call lol
formal orbit
ok that fair, you don't have to learn more advanced mechanics this early
tepid light
dealt and received
pro strat is to just facetank everything possible to charge call asap
jade moss
i just spam the hell out of my spacebar and m1 with all the spam weapons
with fists i can just keep holding m1
tepid light
if it works, it works
upper wolf
Seeing nem sword with dio attack is painful lol
tepid light
Seeing nem sword with dio attack is painful lol
why would you even do that
jade moss
well atleast spamming m1 is more fun than having to time each shot with bow
formal orbit
Seeing nem sword with dio attack is painful lol
it's consistent since you just need pom
she's grinding for nem 60
tepid light
but it defeats the point of nemesis
jade moss
idk why they made bow charge power faster when dashing
it makes it so much more unfun to use
tepid light
idk why they made bow charge power faster when dashing
if it didn't, bow would be horrifically slow
jade moss
i dont wanna be randomly dashing around to use my weapon
tepid light
and like what else would you do with dashstrike on bow
jade moss
yea why not just give that speed
to the normal power shot
idk, maybe more crit chance or something
or something that you dont have to do
bow is so bad if you dont dash power with it and its really annoying to do
tepid light
i mean it does fit the expectation of a bow being a slower and more precise weapon
tepid light
bow is so bad if you dont dash power with it and its really annoying to do
you were also talking about how you dash a lot anyway, so is it really that much of an issue?
jade moss
imo it should be opposite, power charging slower when dashing
like it doesnt even make sense
jade moss
you were also talking about how you dash a lot anyway, so is it really that much...
yea with weapons where you dont have to think and you get your dash strike everytime 100%
with bow you have to perfectly time your charging with the dash
and it hits 1 enemy only
tepid light
I really don't think it's as hard to pull that off as you're making it out to be
like if you just dislike the bow, that's perfectly fine and fair
jade moss
well then the damage falloff is some ahh
jade moss
I really don't think it's as hard to pull that off as you're making it out to be...
its just really annoying
against multiple enemies atleast
like hydra
you are fighting like 15 enemies at once in there
upper wolf
it only makes sense to make using your best defensive option (dashes) offensively gives you huge bonus
jade moss
and you have to dash and time ur charge each time to shoot
upper wolf
well then the damage falloff is some ahh
damage falloff is exactly 0% lol
you deal as much to first and last enemy hit
jade moss
and why does explosive arrow have that massive debuff where it takes like million years to shoot one arrow
when other weapons get even better stuff without any debuffs
tepid light
and why does explosive arrow have that massive debuff where it takes like millio...
because otherwise it'd be op, it's a +300% damage buff with an aoe
formal orbit
explosive shot is a different game compared to normal bow gameplay
you have to get really used to it
jade moss
imo weapons from most fun to least fun fists>shield>gun>sword>bow>spear
formal orbit
metawise, shield > gun > bow > spear > sword = fist
I find bow really fun because of the sheer damage
jade moss
i beat hades once with it but
its just rly not my type of weapon if you dont get some mad damage for it
formal orbit
oh we're talking about the type of damage trivialize all boss
tepid light
wat
jade moss
i would imagine the temple would be a nightmare to go thru with bow without some good damage
imagine all those rats that already have godly hp
and tiny rooms
formal orbit
yeah but the bow damage is just nut
tepid light
pretty sure i had aphrodite strike on that aforementioned rama run too
absolutely ridiculous amounts of damage
formal orbit
nice, slap in some lunge and arty dash and we have a hades toppler
formal orbit
typical rama
tepid light
person above me a bow enjoyer
upper wolf
ok actually mostly rama
tepid light
i'm one of the few chiron enjoyers in existence
upper wolf
i would imagine the temple would be a nightmare to go thru with bow without some...
tidal dash goes brrr
tepid light
i just think it's neat
jade moss
tidal dash goes brrr
does no dmg
upper wolf
bruh what lol
tepid light
this may sound weird but i view rama and chiron in similar ways as aspects that benefit from both stackable/flat damage and % damage
upper wolf
and slams
tepid light
and both give you a reason to actually use special on bow
stiff obsidian
this may sound weird but i view rama and chiron in similar ways as aspects that ...
thats how every single aspect nearly works
tepid light
thats how every single aspect nearly works
i don't think you understand what i mean
formal orbit
sword want double modifier ig
tepid light
i guess i should clarify: they both can work with both flat and % damage sources at the same time
% on damage, stackable on special
stiff obsidian
yes
formal orbit
rail is similar to what you're saying in that regard
tepid light
that's true
tepid light
Not every aspect, though
formal orbit
achilles spear is so good it work with everything
tepid light
flat damage bonuses on arthur, let's go
upper wolf
that dio strike on arthur boutta go crazy
formal orbit
shield other than zeus is kinda one dimensional
stiff obsidian
i mentioned 'nearly' twice already
upper wolf
except chaos, who is zero-dimensional
stiff obsidian
true
upper wolf
i mentioned 'nearly' twice already
I won't let small details like "truth" and "reality" gets in the way of my jokes
stiff obsidian
fair
tepid light
nOt EvErY AsPeCt, GoSh
tepid light
except chaos, who is zero-dimensional
you say that, but shotgun special can be entertaining
upper wolf
yeah, once in a blue moon, when the shield doesn't go to god-knows-where (probably the same place as asphodel enemies) leaving zag looking like a dunce, bare-handed
I guess it's thematically appropriate for the chaos aspect to try to go to chaos every time you throw it
marble sentinel
is there anyway to make Thanatos spawn more often? i want to give more gifts to him but i never find him in my runs
upper wolf
is there anyway to make Thanatos spawn more often? i want to give more gifts to ...
start doing RTA speedruns not that I know of
tepid light
dionysus special on chaos shield just gives the entertaining mental image of an absolutely sauced zagreus stumbling into the room and hurling himself forwards to toss the shield, collapsing facefirst onto the floor as the shields bounce and ricochet everywhere
jade moss
are all the gods in hades on earth or something?
or do they have some other dimension where they are
tepid light
someone needs to read up on their greek mythos, i see
upper wolf
you play hades and don't have an encyclopedic knowledge on every rendition of greek mythology ? Kinda cringe /s
tepid light
juncoril, quick, what did agamemnon have for breakfast on the fifth day of the trojan war
upper wolf
my boot
tepid light
correct!
see, juncoril knows his greek myth
as you would too if you were a real hades player
/jk
upper wolf
brisk trail
olympus
technically olympus mons is mars
but ehh
having the mountain where ares is on be on mars (roman ares) is going to be hard to maintain canonical
brisk trail
olympus mons:
highest mountain in the solar system, inactive volcano on mars
well, we discovered the dead volcano later, we just decided to name it olympus because it is pretty big
upper wolf
brisk trail
and because nowhere else is called olympus, that's the canon I go with
upper wolf
Based
tepid light
technically olympus mons is mars
all the other olympians live on top of ares
would be lore accurate given how much everyone hated ares
brisk trail
all the other olympians live on top of ares
would be lore accurate given how muc...
but ares also lives on olympus
ehh, doesn't matter
upper wolf
I feel like getting gaslighted lol
though at least checking mount olympus taught me there are like 20 of them and not just one
tepid light
The gods have 1 main olympus and 19 summer homes
formal orbit
Until demeter decided to be all grumpy and make it eternal winter
So olympians only stay at main olympus
humble willow
all the other olympians live on top of ares
would be lore accurate given how muc...
Except aphrodite.
tepid light
Except aphrodite.
just because you do that with someone doesn't mean you like them or take them seriously
upper wolf
Fun fact: in "all is fair in love and war", the "fair" is actually a stand in for the other F word.
Source ? My source is that I made it the fair up.
void vigil
what the fair…
tepid light
that's fairing dumb
sour fog
the other f word is firetruck
tepid light
~~finally some good bot evasion~~
just waiting for them to ban the word 'fair' as well exactly because of that
wary iron
Now that’d be fairing bad
upper wolf
ok to get back on rail, iirc during their duo boon convo Aphro and Ares are pretty complimentary to each other ?
stone rune
i mean curse of longing sucks
rose roost
my fav duo line will always be Demeter roasting Zeus infront of athena
upper wolf
yeah, with athena trying to do damage control "oh demeter was kidding dw, she doesn't hate zeus that much" "Nah nah nah athena, I absolutely despite that <expletives>"
upper wolf
i mean curse of longing sucks
... yes, but how is that relevant ? 
upper wolf
you should probably try to read more things before answering then
stone rune
the other discussion was about the word fair
upper wolf
fair enough
but were talking about aphro and ares relationship, not the quality of their duo boon (which is surprisingly bad)
wary iron
fair enough
fair enough?
stiff obsidian
Sheet of fame
stone rune
wary iron
Could it be any more perfect?
wary iron
To be equal we did need the fair
autumn rose
... yes, but how is that relevant ? <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
it's always relevant 🙏
spice surge
hii
lucid pulsar
hi guys, uh is it normal to have an aspect wre ur s much ahead. i have chiron to 5 skulls and the rest are 1 skull anybody got similar aspects to chiron/
jade moss
which aphrodite boons are worth taking?
i got option to pick crush shot, passion dash, wave of despair
i usually never pick any of these but was wondering if they are actually good
im using fist
latent moon
hi guys, uh is it normal to have an aspect wre ur s much ahead. i have chiron to...
that's not that far ahead tbf
jade moss
idk, i got the 900% damage to armor so far
latent moon
but that's pretty normal
lucid pulsar
thank you bananas
latent moon
and chain lightning from zeus
take not passion dash lmao
either of the other 2 will be fine
actually
take crush shot
but dont use it just have it sit there so you fill the duo reqs for smair, you just need a good call
jade moss
ok, most casts are not that great anyway
or maybe the ares cast is like the only good one
latent moon
casts are pretty mediocre unless you build around them
certain aspects shine with a cast build
gray apex
Like talos
jade moss
i love breaching cross so much, feels so nice to just instantly get rid of armors
also helps so much with tight deadline
latent moon
talos is the best cast weapon
gray apex
I’m something of a talos enjoyer myself
Probably the aspects I have the most hours with
latent moon
i have so many hours on talos it's insane
jade moss
but dont use it just have it sit there so you fill the duo reqs for smair, you j...
what duo is it