actually the good shade kills (dw they're fine they're already dead) every other zagreus supporter to be able to get praise from zag alone everytime /s
#h1-discussion
upper wolf
native blade
actually the good shade kills (dw they're fine they're already dead) every other...
#1 fan.
open hull
i love fishing
brisk trail
dammit
alecto is just so strong
I literally obliterated meg while taking like, 20 damage
but last run alecto popped two death defiances
open hull
alecto is the hardest for me
brisk trail
alecto is the hardest for me
tisiphone and meg are good though
open hull
staying away is the best
open hull
tisiphone and meg are good though
tis is by far the easiest
brisk trail
tisiphone's is just someone with heavy dementia
and meg is waifu
well, I didn't get there yet but she's just easy
can they nerf alecto plz
also I'm getting horrible house rng
I have enough nectar for battie
just need meg to appear enough
she's always either not there or talking to dusa
open hull
can they nerf alecto plz
alecto is easy one you learn her patterns
and if you get great crits or just great damage
you get get her done pretty fast
brisk trail
idk theyre all easy to me tbh, i usually just out trade them in damage
native blade
i love fishing
Same.
native blade
idk theyre all easy to me tbh, i usually just out trade them in damage
Same lol, Alecto's my easiest.
open hull
tis has the easiest patterns to learn and avoid
brisk trail
Same lol, Alecto's my easiest.
wha how
native blade
tis has the easiest patterns to learn and avoid
Yeah, but all that time dodging is less time punching her.
brisk trail
alecto popped 2 of my death defiances
brisk trail
Out damage her.
well, what if, let's say
I didn't have enough keys for getting rerolls and got terrible rng
I literally forced everything I could but they keep giving me boons on stuff I don't use
native blade
That's fair, but that'd be luck not her being hard rii?
brisk trail
That's fair, but that'd be luck not her being hard rii?
well yeah
also hydra is just outdamaging
native blade
Most things are outdamaging, Alecto's an actual requirement tho.
brisk trail
the run im doing earlier (i closed the game to do homework) was pretty good, I got aphro dash, dio special, and zeus attack on zeus shield
brisk trail
the run im doing earlier (i closed the game to do homework) was pretty good, I g...
I'm still missing the jolted one but I think I can fix that
in elysium
open hull
the run im doing earlier (i closed the game to do homework) was pretty good, I g...
thats the cheesiest build
even with bad boond
s
brisk trail
i have max privileged status
which definitely helps
imagine dealing 40% more damage, 80% of the times
native blade
I think maybe you were fighting her too conservatively?
brisk trail
for absolutely free
brisk trail
I think maybe you were fighting her too conservatively?
no
I gone full on
alecto is just
i hate the beyblades
native blade
So how...? Idk.
brisk trail
why does she have 2 and I have 1
I uhh, played badly
also got like, the worst boons
native blade
i hate the beyblades
The beyblades are just free Near Miss farms tbh.
brisk trail
like, i keep rolling poseidon but bad boons
native blade
also got like, the worst boons
So this was a different run when u didn't have aphro dash di special.
brisk trail
well the current run im running poseidon's call
brisk trail
So this was a different run when u didn't have aphro dash di special.
yeah
native blade
Gotcha.
brisk trail
the current run I'm running poseidon on call, aphro dash, di special, zeus attack with pending jolted
native blade
well the current run im running poseidon's call
Pos Call is fun.
brisk trail
what is the strategy for zooz shield
like, for example zag sword would be: special-dashstrike-dashstrike
so what is the attack style for zeus shield
I just throw out my special a bit then recall it then run around while dash-striking
but i'm not sure that's the best strat
wary iron
Throw it and push enemies in it, or recall and throw again
open hull
so what is the attack style for zeus shield
-
throw
-
camp
-
throw
-
camp
brisk trail
1. throw
2. camp
1. throw
2. camp
so camp just means I just stand in a corner with shields out
mint coral
What fate said works the best
mint coral
Your attack has knocback by default
brisk trail
Your attack has knocback by default
oh
but pos makes it better
or should i go with aphro on attack
mint coral
Pos attack sucks
The extra knockback will just make enemies go pass the shoeld and it has the lowest % bonus
Yeah aphro attack works
Also helps if you get zeus call for their duo
brisk trail
i would optimally have aphro, dio, zooz with jolted, and ares on my core boons
the order is up to rng prolly
but this guarantees pstatus
right?
brisk trail
i like priv status
mint coral
Is 15% less dmg but you start getting dmg from the first boon and don't have to care about grabbing random boons
brisk trail
what does family favorites do anyways
mint coral
8 gods total but due to god pool you cap at 4 + hermes normally
mint coral
To explain god pool
wary iron
What if you get 3 gods in Tartarus and use keepsakes in asphodel and elysium? Could you get 5?
brisk trail
does sigil count in the god pool
mint coral
Take boon>added to pool>once 4 gods are added>rest are gone
brisk trail
like, let's say i equip sigil or sth, does that count as a god
mint coral
does sigil count in the god pool
No but his boon doesn't count for FF
brisk trail
dang
mint coral
What if you get 3 gods in Tartarus and use keepsakes in asphodel and elysium? Co...
Even if you are at 4 you can use keepsakes to add more
brisk trail
really discriminating against hades there
mint coral
A thing you can do with a 3 god pool in tart is the following
Enter shop with 3 gods>buy 4th god>door has a 5th god
Natural 5 god pool
brisk trail
the entire game is about reuniting the family and having hades in the family
and family favorites says hades doesn't count
rip hades
mint coral
Enter shop with 3 gods>buy 4th god>door has a 5th god
(is not worth doing this anyway, just funny)
Dad is counted as a cthonic god
Not an olympian
brisk trail
Dad is counted as a cthonic god
but he's still part of the family right?
wary iron
I wish you were able to determine how large your god pool is
open hull
i never knew you could fight charon
brisk trail
i never knew you could fight charon
his oar is pretty deadly
mint coral
but he's still part of the family right?
But not an olympian
open hull
it could probably be easier if i didnt get a common boon https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1134968074899042355.webp?size=48&name=DeadInside&quality=lossless
brisk trail
also i will ask again, is there a webpage with all the shade conversations
open hull
his oar is pretty deadly
i havent been hit by it yet
brisk trail
the causes of death is pretty funny
mint coral
Don't think so
mint coral
Maybe you can ask on the modding discord if they have all the text (unless you want it with in game pics)
brisk trail
Maybe you can ask on the modding discord if they have all the text (unless you w...
i just want the text
open hull
charon is hard
brisk trail
i heard the devs crammed a ton of dialogue in there
mint coral
i just want the text
Discord pinned in #self-promotion
stiff obsidian
beowrlf sucks
brisk trail
ty
brisk trail
beowrlf sucks
aspect of zeus is fun
imagine if charging bull rush is considered attacking
then athena on attack would make the player invincible
mint coral
Block is already that 
brisk trail
the player can still be attacked from behind
as well as aoe dmg
guess how i learnt that
i went home afterwards :/
native blade
Guan Yu's spin do be sauced.
native blade
rip hades
On a sad note, it could mean Zagreus still hasn't accepted Hades as family yet.
drowsy linden
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1160950049379975249/i...
"chiron best for heat 32"
latent moon
I mean thats just what was statistically used the most and saw success
tepid light
My continuing efforts with gilgamesh have given me a new appreciation for breaching cross
native blade
My continuing efforts with gilgamesh have given me a new appreciation for breach...
Indeed.
stone rune
its the best fists hammer
native blade
The most fun hammer is Rush Kick tho.
tepid light
I now really feel the difference when I don't have it and have to flail against armored enemies
native blade
I now really feel the difference when I don't have it and have to flail against ...
I usually let maim take care of it but I get the pain if you're tryna speedrun.
tepid light
I usually let maim take care of it but I get the pain if you're tryna speedrun.
I'm not even trying to speedrun, and yeah maim helps but carving open an armored enemy in 1-2 attacks is a special kind of nice
native blade
I'm not even trying to speedrun, and yeah maim helps but carving open an armored...
Oh I agree, I'm just saying what I would do if my luck wasn't so good.
tepid light
Oh I agree, I'm just saying what I would do if my luck wasn't so good.
Yeah I getcha
Also it's past time I gave myself a new name in this server
native blade
Also it's past time I gave myself a new name in this server
ooooooh, whatcha thinking?
tepid light
Just changed it
native blade
Oh lmao, what was it b4?
tepid light
Just my regular discord name
native blade
Ahhhh
hardy spear
hamie jo
native blade
Hamjo
stiff obsidian
how do chaos damage taken curses stack
strong flame
@short glen u were talking about those heat levels right
short glen
Yeah!
Quick advice: heightened security seems a lot easier than it is
It's great fun for the first 3 areas but then the traps in Styx and the pots dad summons can one shot you
Fair warning because I fell for that for awhile lol
open hull
And the traps are great for resetting
short glen
That is true but I wouldn't suggest resetting at this point
open hull
What point is this
short glen
They just learned about heat right now
open hull
Oh
short glen
Imo it's better to just do runs if you aren't speedrunning or doing extreme heat levels
open hull
True
wary iron
Ideally would be smth that stacks but starts at low level like for example td or fo I think, those made it really easy for me for the first few heat levels
latent moon
<@452166310156173312> u were talking about those heat levels right
there's a recommended heat progression spreadsheet in #h1-high-heat-strategies
if you dont wanna look at that you can avoid like
jury summons, calisthenics program, and damage control mainly
and heightened security
drowsy linden
Ideally would be smth that stacks but starts at low level like for example td or...
i would personally go for the harder things like td, fo, mm,and em, for practice later on
latent moon
jury summons, calisthenics program, and damage control mainly
oh yeah i should mention approval progess and routine inspection lmao
i forgot those existed
drowsy linden
got exclusive at the cost of a poseidon boon
3 pos so far, still need breaking/typhoon for legendary
lament estuary
damage control is like
situational
it COMPLETELY depends on your weapon and aspect
if you're using zeus then it's kinda just free heat
latent moon
it's also just easier to not take it in general lmao
drowsy linden
yarn is a scam with exclusive
native blade
yarn is a scam with exclusive<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
F,
drowsy linden
had my fastest lernie kill though
latent moon
yarn is a scam with exclusive<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
lmao yeah
cant get heroics like that
drowsy linden
yooo second wave
now i just need blown kiss
im just holding attack and dash...
2sack
15:38
upper wolf
I will stay a heightened security apologist 'till the day I die. Which was yesterday. Those damn sawblades man
wary iron
It’s always I’ll turn it off next run, and you don’t and then you die, and again
leaden belfry
I will stay a heightened security apologist 'till the day I die. Which was yeste...
???
You enjoy getting hit for 80 dmg ?
upper wolf
Nah
I mean, actually yes
since I use very often the 75 damage... weird red egg things in elysium to proc stubborn
but ime HS is an issue on some normal rooms in styx, in some rooms in aspho, and on dad once in every ten fights
You can go multiple runs without really having trouble with traps
at least at my level
drowsy linden
i got hazard on hestia, what build should i go for
native blade
at least at my level
I'd say same, yeah.
jagged hamlet
i got hazard on hestia, what build should i go for<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Keep focusing on attack
upper wolf
Blood and darkness, why do I struggle so much on Hera??
I first try Chiron but I lost on Hera for like 5 times already
stone rune
are u on kbm
upper wolf
... might be that
upper wolf
I'll try with controller tbh
It's probably more fun
A shame because I quite like kbm otherwise
Also, all my casts missed the exalted in elysium
Or 90% of them
stone rune
what cast did u use
upper wolf
What can I do to, y'know, actually deal damage
upper wolf
what cast did u use
Aphro
stone rune
idk
upper wolf
Yeah but how do I do that 
stone rune
pause buffer
upper wolf
I had this issue only on the exalted
Felt like the hitbox started past them
Or that they shifted their own hitbox between the shots and the casts
stone rune
Felt like the hitbox started past them
did you have blown kiss
formal orbit
How do you use cast when you turn off aim at mouse with kbm anyway?
stone rune
aim at cursor =/= use of mouse
upper wolf
Nah I remember something like blown kiss messing up the hitbox precisely
stone rune
you can still press the mouse buttons
formal orbit
I mean how to aim it
stone rune
ocke did aim at cursor off for his 5:11
the short answer is you dont
look at the lernie lol
timestamped https://youtu.be/oKyv6ROj1xY?t=433
formal orbit
Yikes
stone rune
skips good
upper wolf
this run is so cursed though
heady monolith
where can i share clips
heady monolith
just lost my 10 win streak.....screw charon's credit card\
took away 2 death defiances
bow is trash when using the blue heart pact
i have to hit twice dealing no dmg then load my cast in
then there's armor after that
olive pulsar
strongest bow fan vs weakest fists enjoyer
stone rune
i have to hit twice dealing no dmg then load my cast in
yeah don’t take that
latent moon
bad pact moment
stone rune
dc2 sucks
stone rune
strongest bow fan vs weakest fists enjoyer
strongest bow fan: 4:39, 62 heat
heady monolith
i always do em2+ dc2 for my 5 pact and it has been going well until it was time to use the bow
stone rune
strongest fists enjoyer: 5:29, 58 heat
stone rune
i always do em2+ dc2 for my 5 pact and it has been going well until it was time ...
yeah that’s a bad idea
the only stuff that does ok with dc2 is
non hestia rail, fists, rama, non beo shield, achilles
beo u can take dc2 and it’s not crippling like for hestia but it’s really annoying
on sword it’s like ok depending on your build and assuming you have double edge
arthur not considered because arthur
heady monolith
whats wrong with arthur
heady monolith
anyways what shou;d the setup for 5heat bow be
stone rune
and different from the other swords
jagged hamlet
It's fun but suboptimal
heady monolith
its amazing idc what anyone says
stone rune
anyways what shou;d the setup for 5heat bow be
id say extreme measures 2 and then either middle management or underworld customs
heady monolith
i could never imagine what 500heat is like so i oculdnt care less
it clears 32 heat and thats enough
stone rune
it’s 5 heat so you have options
i mean
it has a 57 clear
but it also sucks
and is rlly slow
in the 57 clear the guy gets 2 extra dds from athena and goes over time long enough that he started with 2 dd + sd and ended with none
heady monolith
what to start with using eris gun?
jagged hamlet
⚡
heady monolith
for normal atk?
stone rune
yep
zeus attack
and then you want jolted from him as well
pom that a lot
it’s really strong
heady monolith
i usually go dio special should i stick to that strat?
stone rune
no
heady monolith
pom that a lot
the jolt?
stone rune
yea
heady monolith
kk
stone rune
but rail special hits at max every 1.5s ish
that means you physically cannot hit the 5 hangover limit with the special without triple or cluster bomb
dio attack is pretty alright on eris
for hammers the good ones are
rocket > cluster > delta chamber > triple
i’m probably forgetting some
but those are the main ones
delta chamber is mainly good because it gives you back invincibility frames on your dash strikes
rocket + cluster bomb is bugged so that cluster doesn’t affect the base damage
so it’s a 400 base damage nuke
and triple is cope
bad are hazard bomb and spread fire
on eris
spread fire is good on zagrail and hazard is good on zagrail/hestia
but spread fire takes too much ammo
and hazard obv has anti synergy
stone rune
tfw rama better at dc2 than fists
olive pulsar
no actual shade, all the weapons are good in their own ways..
heady monolith
So far I've only unlocked lance and sword in terms of hidden aspects
olive pulsar
simply playful jabbing
wary iron
They show up when you want them to
native blade
Not sure when the rest will show up
You can force it but honestly u’re still gonna have to wait on RNJesus.
wary iron
You can force it but honestly u’re still gonna have to wait on RNJesus.
Day 10 of waiting for the words for fists
native blade
Day 10 of waiting for the words for fists
Lmao, genuinely no shade, just surprised how lucky I was compared to surprisingly a lot of peeps when it came to the rng
wary iron
Well tbf I rarely make it to elysium with my build rn so my odds are low anyway
native blade
Well tbf I rarely make it to elysium with my build rn so my odds are low anyway
I’m usually suffering till Elysium with my build lol.
drowsy linden
Day 10 of waiting for the words for fists
day 20 of waiting for beo
native blade
^
mint coral
those are different statements
short glen
Being fun is good
olive pulsar
fists fast ooo tickles my silly little brain
short glen
False
crystal star
Poo poo smelly
short glen
False
desert tundra
no actual shade, all the weapons are good in their own ways..
Hello
desert tundra
False 🤓
short glen
^
jagged hamlet
The run is like over 15 min though 
stone rune
Looks fast to me
a fast dad fight for fists is around 35 seconds
a fast one for beo is around 25
heady monolith
wouldn't believe it even if i saw it cause the impervious intervals alone take 20seconds
signal aspen
lol
latent moon
wouldn't believe it even if i saw it cause the impervious intervals alone take 2...
Yeah it takes 5 seconds to deal the damage in total lmfao
heady monolith
If i didn't do it, it didn't happen 
latent moon
That's definitely how that works
desert tundra
this is Bananas
crystal star
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1129143704620384317...
So slow
I watched all 3 godfathers by the time it finished
stone rune
ok
valid thunder
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1129143704620384317...
woah how do you do that
stone rune
woah how do you do that
what
valid thunder
insane dps
stone rune
get good beo build
instaphasing takes
for 5 stones like 120 130 of additive
4 stones like 150 170
3 stones like over 200
6 stones 100 or less
valid thunder
beo is beowulf?
valid thunder
which character do i have to talk to to unlock it?
stone rune
chaos
valid thunder
oh ok ty
visual iris
strongest aspect in the game
Zeus shield has entered the chat
stone rune
Zeus shield has entered the chat
zeus shield has entered the not the best aspect in the game chat
latent moon
Zeus is strongest for heat past like 54/55
stone rune
beo has the best damage in the game, is the best speed aspect in the game, and the best/2nd best and easiest heat aspect for the heats that are reasonable to attain
visual iris
Idk zeus feels just so consistent and the dps is crazy
Beowolf is crazier
But you need good rng
stone rune
no u dont lol
visual iris
Mirage shot?
stone rune
probably 1/3 of my beo runs have instaphase damage
stone rune
Mirage shot?
it is very consistent to get mirage
visual iris
I'll give beowolf a shot
latent moon
Mirage shot?
Some people streaked 50 beo speedruns in a row and like 6-8 runs didn't get mirage shot for each person lmao
stone rune
nah much less
latent moon
I remember one of them being like 6 or something
stone rune
i feel like it was usually like 2
latent moon
But either way it's still like very consistent
stone rune
yeah
in yeezys second 50 beo he got mirage 48 times
in the first he got 43
he took so many replacements wtf
and still got the mirages on all but 1
latent moon
Also beo doesn't need mirage for good damage lol
I think I got like a low 7 without mirage shot
Don't remember if I had Rd tho
stone rune
latent moon
drowsy linden
whats rd
latent moon
Rush delivery
native blade
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/680477019297021952/1161041319150506044/...
Damn, what a build.
formal orbit
<a:whatblink:523901376124813322>
He said “you’re stupid”
upbeat anchor
Hey guys, I got to the credits and made enough escapes to feel like I’m going somewhere. Everything I do will be over here from now on as a result.
The only thing I really dislike so far is that the Zeus orangey seems to be actively playing against me, trying to get the hidden aspect of the rail.
formal orbit
do you have 5 titan bloods invested in the rail?
not necessary on the same aspect but across all 3
upbeat anchor
I’ve been told that it’s any aspect except Zagros. And yes, I’m sure I do.
upbeat anchor
I’ll double check the costs of aspects to make sure I do have the five required blood in it, but I’ve even tried intentionally dying quickly and going back with the Zeus keepsake to get to the phrase, but it seems like he never wants to say it. It’s all normal dialogue about, how he wants me to get to the surface
formal orbit
did you unlock the hidden spear?
upbeat anchor
Absolutely. That’s been unlocked for several days now.
OK wait a sec, I just had to unlock it. Either I mistakenly believe they had done this, or something didn’t save. Either way, it’s here now. I’m going to try the rail again.
upbeat anchor
OK, so since I just got to the credits, I’m sure the dialogue for Zeus the first time was forced and it was about the mother returning home. I’m going to try getting his dialogue in a little bit for the weapon.
I’m getting it! Everything’s good
autumn rose
classic zoss
upbeat anchor
It’s definitely nice that the bombs in the Lucifer aspect don’t damage you. It means I can continue my dash and throw strategy as I have been. I see that the beam has much better base damage.
rose roost
yeah it's dmg increases the longer you hold down attack
desert tundra
He said “you’re stupid”
Well that's not very nice
formal orbit
Yeah, insulting in mother tongue expecting people wouldn't understand is kinda cringe
void vigil
chatting in English here is preferred for this reason exactly, and so is being nice
desert tundra
native blade
I GOT ALL THE FISH!!!!
formal orbit
Hazard bomb
native blade
Hazard bomb
Bet
One I choose first out of fear, the other out of love, who do I choose?
mint coral
Why are your imgs not loading for me
Oh a trial
Dem trial is annoying but you are playing hestia so prob no issue
heady monolith
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1084587809798623255/1161287429697851514...
always demeter
aphro and demeter always
cut yourself some slack
native blade
cut yourself some slack
Fair.
heady monolith
Ngl i don't think i rmb arti's rage
Artemis is so rare i usually have to force her in for some reasob
I don't think I've ever picked dio tbh, let the man rage his rage saves me so much hp
mint coral
Ngl i don't think i rmb arti's rage
Same as zeus but less aggressive basically
heady monolith
Poseidon is aggressive
I don't pick him he goes like "it seems that your father hasn't taught u any manners"
I pick against zeus "if one day you have to pick between being stupid or siding against me, reconsider next time"
sour fog
artemis is weird cause it kinda shoots around you instead of at you
you'd think she'd be more accurate
upper wolf
Headcanon accepted
tepid light
Piercing fire is very very nice on lucifer
Makes it so much easier to work with the hellfires
native blade
I don't think I've ever picked dio tbh, let the man rage his rage saves me so mu...
The passives are godly tho, plus it’s Dio how could you do that to your bro?
tepid light
The passives are godly tho, plus it’s Dio how could you do that to your bro?
Tbf he literally forgets about it a second later
native blade
True.
tepid light
Also on the subject, I tend to betray Athena the most during trials
Just because her penalty is a lot easier to deal with than other gods'
stiff obsidian
It's not so bad
tepid light
Eh even in elysium I'd prefer athena penalty over something like zeus
native blade
Just because her penalty is a lot easier to deal with than other gods'
Indeed, it can screw u over if u’re high heat tho.
tepid light
Also I just cleared 30 with lucifer after 2 tries
After taking like 30 tries on gilgamesh
Pain
native blade
Also I just cleared 30 with lucifer after 2 tries
Wait, not nice.
stiff obsidian
Tbf trials in Elysium suck in general
tepid light
Don't I know it
tepid light
Now for chaos shield
tepid light
Aphrodite is easily my least favorite penalty to deal with in a trial
That projectile is hard to see and can really mess you up if it hits
native blade
That projectile is hard to see and can really mess you up if it hits
I usually farm it for Near Miss tbh.
native blade
Uhhhh…
tepid light
I usually farm it for Near Miss tbh.
That works until it doesn't and suddenly you're charmed and stunned in the middle of a group of brightswords all wailing on you
native blade
Same thing with Uncle Pos tbh.
upper wolf
Pos wave will slowly jog toward you for a while then jumpscare you from a corner for no reason
I think Poseidon is the trial I have died the most too
stiff obsidian
13
native blade
The ones I hate are the ones I can’t easily dodge like Grandmother, Zeus, Artie and Ares.
upper wolf
He's in that perfect sweet spot of hard enough to kill me but not hard enough for me to avoid him
native blade
That works until it doesn't and suddenly you're charmed and stunned in the middl...
I just facetank and they die, ez.
native blade
Pos wave will slowly jog toward you for a while then jumpscare you from a corner...
I can see that.
heady monolith
The passives are godly tho, plus it’s Dio how could you do that to your bro?
What passives
heady monolith
Just because her penalty is a lot easier to deal with than other gods'
Yeah but she makes the trial take so long, esp in ely
brisk trail
i died out of not rolling a patroclus
frig
I needed that kiss of styx
but that was last run
native blade
What passives
Pretty much all of them I’d say, but mainly Strong Drink, After Party, Bad Hangover, etc.
brisk trail
this run I did roll a patroclus, but was at very healthy hp and all my death defiances
heady monolith
I needed that kiss of styx
Yeah, only relied on rolling him once and he completely failed me
heady monolith
this run I did roll a patroclus, but was at very healthy hp and all my death def...
That's the usual scenario
brisk trail
this run I did roll a patroclus, but was at very healthy hp and all my death def...
but I guess the extra damage is pog
native blade
but I guess the extra damage is pog
Indeed.
Usually I take the health, cuz I got High Confidence.
tepid light
Yeah but she makes the trial take so long, esp in ely
I'd rather take a little bit longer than eat immense amounts of damage and potentially lose a DD
brisk trail
can we get a zagpog emoji
brisk trail
Usually I take the health, cuz I got High Confidence.
oh
heady monolith
I'd rather take a little bit longer than eat immense amounts of damage and poten...
Don't think it has ever gotten to that point
mint coral
I betray Athena so I can get death defiances
upper wolf
Pretty much all of them I’d say, but mainly Strong Drink, After Party, Bad Hango...
after party
laughs in lasting consequences 4
cries
brisk trail
the only time that it is not active is pre-boss tartaurus
upper wolf
hot take, but lasting consequences 4 is bad design because it negates a pretty big dimension of gameplay
brisk trail
the only time that it is not active is pre-boss tartaurus
and that stuff is easy
for a 0 heat wuss like me
i haven't even beat the game on 0 heat yet
upper wolf
yeah, tartarus with FO2 jury summons BP2 armored numbskulls is stupid
brisk trail
cough cough, heroes suck
upper wolf
heroes do suck
brisk trail
theseus and bull man
mint coral
hot take, but lasting consequences 4 is bad design because it negates a pretty b...
Good thing we have stubbornd defiance gameplay instead
upper wolf
asterius and other guy
native blade
Good thing we have stubbornd defiance gameplay instead
HELL YEAH!!
brisk trail
i hate how artemis is like you can trust that I'll help you and proceeds to help theseus
the funnier part is using artemis call when theseus is also calling artemis
artemis is just like: wha-
mint coral
You can't get Theseus calling artemis if you have her boons
Unless you have all the olympians in your pool
upper wolf
can you even have all olympians in your pool by heroes
brisk trail
Unless you have all the olympians in your pool
yeah
upper wolf
you can probably get 5 in tart
brisk trail
wait
upper wolf
then force 6 then 7
upper wolf
yeah the cap is 4
mint coral
Shop shenanigans
brisk trail
so just roll random gods
native blade
I usually use Fauth to get em all.
mint coral
can you even have all olympians in your pool by heroes
In fresh file before all gods are available or before Dem joins
brisk trail
then buy one at the shop then go to the next chamber for more than cap
upper wolf
In fresh file before all gods are available or before Dem joins
oh, fair enough
mint coral
First run only has 4 gods so that's probably the "easiest" way to notice it
brisk trail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_pIh20YbXw
how much ff buff is that
formal orbit
haelian thumbnail tho
mint coral
Assuming you get to heroes at all
mint coral
how much ff buff is that
45%
mint coral
Yeah but good luck having a build lmao
brisk trail
but privileged status is easy to build
mint coral
Flat dmg soup it
brisk trail
easier to build than ff
mint coral
Ff is easier than Ps
upper wolf
"privileged status is more damage" copers when the whole damn mountain rolls down
mint coral
15% dmg isn't really that much
brisk trail
"privileged status is more damage" copers when the whole damn mountain rolls dow...
imagine ff equivalent in hades 2
mint coral
2nd hammer doesn't matter
mint coral
Idk triple looks funny ig
mint coral
Not on rush
formal orbit
like delta chamber hestia
brisk trail
like delta chamber hestia
oh you mean achilles aspect
mint coral
You still can recall it like usual but you know
formal orbit
at the cost of crippling your build
mint coral
15 base dmg
brisk trail
can you get dialogue from achilles if you did pat's favor and have the aspect of achilles
mint coral
at the cost of crippling your build
Delta still allows reload on hestia
brisk trail
or does he not give a flip
formal orbit
Delta still allows reload on hestia
oh really, never try that
formal orbit
would be suck if no reload
native blade
Delta still allows reload on hestia
It’d be awesome if it auto reloaded ur Empowered Shot.
mint coral
I don't think achilles mentions hos aspect with Pat
He may mention it in the house? Been a while
brisk trail
I don't think achilles mentions hos aspect with Pat
aw
ok
literally useless
if not for the fact I took it a few times
mint coral
Free 400 gold*
brisk trail
I was desperate for nectar ok?
mint coral
What is nectar gonna fo with sweet nectar
brisk trail
Free 400 gold*
and nectar
brisk trail
What is nectar gonna fo with sweet nectar
regens health
mint coral
Sweet nectar is the +1 lvl to poms
brisk trail
gives you 1 extra nectar
mint coral
Wait I'm confusing dio and pos-aphro duo
brisk trail
also, apparently zag can open the nectar bottle
but can't open the ambrosia bottle
literally 0 dexterity on his hands
mint coral
Wait I'm confusing dio and pos-aphro duo
Wasn't confusing them but now I forgot how the dio boon is called lmao
stiff obsidian
exclusive access
brisk trail
Wasn't confusing them but now I forgot how the dio boon is called lmao
is zeus attack + jolted + dio special better or aphro attack + dio special better for zooz shield
mint coral
Zeus special better
brisk trail
then aphro or dio on attack
mint coral
Just turn on family favorite so you don't need to take dio
mint coral
then dio on dash and ares on cast
???
brisk trail
right
toxic trellis
You could say Pos call is a POS
brisk trail
You could say Pos call is a POS
how is did that get past the censor
brisk trail
Maybe athena dash if you need that extra safety
ares cast is good tight
mint coral
On its own nah
brisk trail
it's hard to build?
mint coral
Want hunting blades
toxic trellis
how is did that get past the censor
Because the message didn’t have the word, just an abbreviation
brisk trail
40% damage though
mint coral
it's hard to build?
If your build runs into the 2 curses on its own is fine (see aphro-dio)
Gods that need an extra boon to apply the curse just slap FF on
brisk trail
If your build runs into the 2 curses on its own is fine (see aphro-dio)
i just force dio special at first then get whatever
aphro attack usually comes up for me
or should I force zeus instead
mint coral
Point proved
formal orbit
pstatus only work well on chiron or pash flare beo
mint coral
If you wanna go zeus^2 just take ff
On top of not having to mind it, you also start getting the bonus from the first boon
brisk trail
ok
so basiclly you always get the +25%
and if you just happen to run into a good shop shenanigan you get +30%
mint coral
You don't really want 5 god pools even in FF context
brisk trail
pstatus is the only thing that save chiron lmao
cuz you're constantly attacking and specialing
mint coral
Cuz more gods means harder to find what you want
mint coral
Yeah cuz you were starting dio
brisk trail
Yeah cuz you were starting dio
what if I didn't
formal orbit
you need jolted for curse
formal orbit
yeah, I know
brisk trail
yeah, I know
so pstatus is just a generally worse mirror
formal orbit
if you want to go Merciful End zeus
brisk trail
ok i gtg
formal orbit
you need blinding light from athena
for pstatus
not saying it's bad
more like it's really niche
as for zeus aspect, the most common is zeus all the way or merciful end
since zeus doesn't need ddash for ME to work well
task failed successfully
Actually, pstatus can work with curse of longing
I used to think it’s op until i tried TD3
mint coral
Curse of longing
stiff obsidian
reddit gaslighted me into thinking chaos was the best aspect in the game
native blade
so pstatus is just a generally worse mirror
It's still great, FF is just more consistent. You can choose either based on preference.
Is Demeter easier to avoid than Dio?
native blade
reddit gaslighted me into thinking chaos was the best aspect in the game
Reddit’s tryna gaslight me into thinking Dio’s harder than Dem.
tepid light
Unironically taking poseidon attack just led to one of the most ludicrously powerful builds I've had in a while
Sea Storm OP
I killed dad while he was in the middle of healing
And with that, 30 heat fully cleared
mint coral
Gg
tepid light
reddit gaslighted me into thinking chaos was the best aspect in the game
funnily enough, chaos is what i just had this insane run on
shotgunning enemies with zeus special and poseidon dash alongside sea storm is very satisfying
stiff obsidian
i dont think the zeus special works like that
heady monolith
why are fate boosts rarely picking shield
is it truly rng?
shield is my fav weapon but i rarely get to use it
look
bow and fist keep looping with one weapon in between
upper wolf
yeah darkness is not that important
mint coral
Darkness is important (at least till mirror is done) but the 20% boost from dark thirst isn't really that important
formal orbit
Dark Regeneration enjoyer would say otherwise
heady monolith
yeah darkness is not that important
It is for me
Game wants me to play with all mirror boosts or something 
mint coral
Dark Regeneration enjoyer would say otherwise
Dark foresight will cripple dark regen more than the 20% boost
native blade
Dark Regeneration enjoyer would say otherwise
Indeed.
native blade
Dark foresight will cripple dark regen more than the 20% boost
That's why you go Fauth build.
mint coral
:boulyai:
mint coral
Sure
native blade
What's the best atk for Hestia?
upper wolf
aphro, or arte + chaos boosts + hunter dash, or just shackle (+ hunter dash)
if you we're talking specifically just the attack boon, it's aphro
native blade
kk.
upper wolf
but with your build arte and/or shackle can be better. Shackle not by much.
stone rune
What's the best atk for Hestia?
aph
arty u can take if you have 100 additive on attack
formal orbit
pretty sure haelian unmodded 58 was athena strike
is that highest for unmodded hestia?
stone rune
yeah
because nobody wants to play unmodded
especially not unmodded + resetting for +dashes
stiff obsidian
Where do you see these
formal orbit
The bull is definitely the run ender for unmodded
I just skip elysium miniboss just for that
stone rune
bull is not that bad
for heat
if u arent trash at dodging like i am
so long as the timeloss doesnt matter too much
if it does tho rip
coral kite
Important question
I’m gonna spoiler
||I unlocked the queens plan on the fated list I have a question
After I give the Olympian’s enough nectar I have to do their favours right? Example Zeus favor is you must hear 5 other gods talk about Zeus if you’ve already heard five other gods talk about Zeus before you unlock the queens plan on the list and before you’ve raised your affinity with him enough will it still count? Obviously ares favour probably counts ||
jagged hamlet
Yesh
jagged hamlet
Yesh. You just need a certain number of people to be at specific heart amounts (varying by individual)
stone rune
can you not dash when entering a fountain room in tartarus
if it's facing the same way the exit was
if not you can dash instantly
ish
stiff obsidian
thats so random
latent moon
from what i've heard it's meant for like
stone rune
its in order to play a cutscene
mint coral
Wait that's the explanation???
stone rune
the first time you enter
latent moon
the first cutscene for the fountain yeah
latent moon
Wait that's the explanation???
yeah lol
stiff obsidian
wow lmao
mint coral
Legit thought I just wasn't pressing fast enough
stone rune
LOL
formal orbit
the first cutscene for the fountain yeah
That’s a thing, now I want to do fresh file
Don’t even remember that
native blade
any epic % attack other than pos is fine
Lmao, my attack and special basically switched gods and became heroic.
runic jungle
Does than and theseus have some beef with each other?
Bc than takes so much of his hp away after using him in that battle its so funny to me lol.
rose roost
Theseus has beef with everyone
runic jungle
I mean true
jagged hamlet
Heck, his best friend is beef
runic jungle
Heck, his best friend *is* beef
Tbf are they really friends
asterius seems more like a coworker who's forced to put up with his coworkers bs
jagged hamlet
I think so. Asterius does seem to legitimately appreciate Theseus
runic jungle
Appreciate theseus for... killing him and essentially trapping him in that situation?
Actually wait it's been a min
He wouldn't have to deal with the labyrinth if it wasn't for theseus right?
stone rune
no it was like
jagged hamlet
Asterius has dialogues about his friendship with Theseus
stone rune
they used the bull to gore people
in the labrynth
labrinth
whatever
and then theseus went in to like reason or whatever and then he had to kill him
latent moon
also they have that whole friendship arc lmao
stone rune
i hate their friendship
maybe if they were enemies theseus's bubbles wouldn't take so long
since he couldnt get stuck in the god forlorn bullhorn or delta strike
runic jungle
Honestly I don't like their friendship either lol
Or maybe I just don't like theseus
Walmart Hercules looking mf
Wait no Walmart is too good for him
Dollar tree herc
Wait no even better.
Hercules from wish
mint coral
Theseus and Asterius are def friends
native blade
Theseus and Asterius are def friends
Headcanon is they're gay tho.
mint coral
Fair
void vigil
friendship is the most important basis of romantic relationships
native blade
Indeed.
stone rune
press q
jagged hamlet
Throw spear at 'em
mint coral
Crash them into walls?
native blade
Buy Flame Release.
stone rune
it comes out really fast
dash through and group them
and then special
wat
you are faster than them
if ur really struggling then idk
get flood shot
you have iframes
runic jungle
Something I noticed in the theseus fight, if you defeat asterius first, theseus seems more mad than if you defeat theseus first.
jagged hamlet
Bull, noooo!
stiff obsidian
how to kill saviour greatsheild x6 with hestia
latent moon
cry
native blade
how to kill saviour greatsheild x6 with hestia
cast spam.
runic jungle
I am determined to beat the game using zag sword
At least once
Sure it feels like the worst weapon in the game but if I managed to clear w the bow I think the sword should be manageable
I just... need to look up proper builds for it
jagged hamlet
Is just baby Nemesis
upper wolf
Asterius was born a monstrous abomination, his father... well, the husband of his mother, more precisely, was horrified and threw him in a labyrinth from birth. Then he realised sending people he doesn't like in basically an elongated cell with a superpowered big guy with horns is a pretty effective execution method
I think the kind asked athens to send sacrifices at some point, or something, and theseus didn't like that so he thought "I'll go, I'll down the minotaur, then I'll go back and we won't have sacrifices to send" or something
he kills asterius, goes away and all that. Then he dies (idr how theseus dies tbh) and befriend bullman in hell
stiff obsidian
baby chariot knock me into arrow 😃
upper wolf
mearrowed
stiff obsidian
how to kill saviour popper archer x7 with hestia
stone rune
how to kill saviour popper archer x7 with hestia
hazard bomb 🗿
native blade
@heady monolith Fav weapon?
runic jungle
I think zag bow might be my favorite weapon
Adamant rail is solid too but I only like that one if I have delta chamber
heady monolith
Baewulf for me.
No idea what that is aside of the fact that it's an aspect of something, no spoilers pls
stiff obsidian
They did it for me
native blade
No idea what that is aside of the fact that it's an aspect of something, no spoi...
Ofc, you’ll see.
native blade
I think zag bow might be my favorite weapon
Adamant rail is solid too but I onl...
Ranged Andy, based.
heady monolith
I set orpheus free but wasn't done gifting him
When is he coming back?
He technically still works in the palace
mint coral
Just check between runs
latent moon
When is he coming back?
it's kinda just like meg at this point, he'll be gone every now and then but he'll be there most of the time i believe
he's just allowed to leave every now and then to visit eury
short glen
Nah Orpheus is gone forever (lying)
heady monolith
can i find him when visiting eurydice?
stone rune
yea sometimes
heady monolith
best hammers?
jagged hamlet
Triple Bomb
drowsy linden
btw dont get stuff like thunder flourish, since the bombs will instantly self destruct due to the lightning exploding them
heady monolith
i got thunder normal atk
old dawn
is progress saved mid fresh run so i can go back to it later
remind me lol got ME and would rather complete it when less jittery
mint coral
it saves after you are done with a chamber
or right after you enter if you haven't got hit
old dawn
ah so like normal
mint coral
just don't press give up
old dawn
yeah that would be lmao
just like meme urns ending both what would be my first 40 heat and other attempts at this
heady monolith
how to make use of the bombs?
so far im mostly using the normal atk
and festive fog
drowsy linden
how to make use of the bombs?
"spam"
and dont hit them if possible
jagged hamlet
Or Artemis, sure. Launch them, then pop them with a dash
mint coral
throwing a 4th bomb also detonates any bomb already place
latent moon
What's your chill inflictor
heady monolith
What's your chill inflictor
when dmged chill and when cast chill iirc
latent moon
So both lmao
heady monolith
howd u kno
latent moon
Oh it's styx
heady monolith
yes
latent moon
I'd take special tbh
latent moon
The special is gonna do more than 10% dad hp
heady monolith
yes luci
heady monolith
no
drowsy linden
howd u kno
no other methods of inflicting chill, plus youre offered the legendary(requires chill)
latent moon
I'd still take the special tbh
stone rune
not gonna lie the special sucks without triple
heady monolith
no reload and higher distance+fire rate
latent moon
Isn't it still base 100
stone rune
spec prob still better
heady monolith
ok
stone rune
the thing is though
latent moon
Oh wait what level luci is this
stone rune
lego is funny
stone rune
yeah
native blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897428059966279700/1161429522219020288/im...
ACtually busted.
stone rune
that lvl1 common dash
stone rune
minibosses, heroes, and dad
heady monolith
skelly being used to get rid of theseus' call has been great
stone rune
there are 6 use times in total though
heady monolith
minibosses, heroes, and dad
but i only have one summon no?
heady monolith
there are 6 use times in total though
oo
stone rune
no
like
if you level it up
you get 5
at max
but there are 6 places to use it
so
i'd put priority as
heady monolith
maxed it
stone rune
ok
heady monolith
stone rune
so the only thing to not meg if you dont buy a spindle (extra use, from charon) is the styx miniboss
stone rune
and then
for lineups
some are easy
some are hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8 everything in this video is good except for the witches one
which is outdated
heady monolith
so meg on meg-lernie-theseus-minotaur-hades?