#h1-discussion

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valid thorn
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i saw the reactions stack up lol

pliant latch
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Take your time with developing the game (Hades 2). Looking forward to play it when it’s ready 🤩

sharp crypt
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its awe inspiring to watch tbh

mint coral
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Custom engine

latent moon
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for hera, you mainly just need crush shot from aphrodite + snow burst from demeter

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for rama

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A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

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thanks MiKE

normal hazel
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weird question but what do you guys do if you feel like playing the game but don't feel like doing a complete run? better players can do it quicker I guess but for me it takes like 40-50 minutes to do one and sometimes I don't feel like doing a complete one

mint coral
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You can just quit after chambers no?

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Just take breaks if it's taking a while

latent moon
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yeah you're not confined to doing a complete run each time if you dont feel like it

void vigil
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you can quit before taking damage in a chamber, every time you complete a chamber, and every time you enter a combat-less area before choosing/buying anything. Otherwise you have to give up the run but there’s plenty of places to stop and save

normal hazel
mint coral
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Yeah

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Just don't press give up by accident

normal hazel
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but that could be used for save scumming too, right? like if you're a new player you can quit before a boss and then keep reloading the save if you die?

stone rune
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no

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after you get hit you cant quit out

mint coral
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Does acorn allow quitting

latent moon
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i heard you can do that if you have acorn

normal hazel
latent moon
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i've never done it myself but i've heard like 1 other person do it here lmao

stone rune
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autosaves

mint coral
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Also fresh file first run also allows infinite quitting

normal hazel
stone rune
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oh well yeah

wispy sinew
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Is flurry cast any good?

stone rune
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its situational and never really the option you're gunning for

latent moon
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not really but it's decent cope for like poseidon and achilles

stone rune
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but if u dont wanna roll its alright

latent moon
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will say that epic flurry cast on achilles is pretty nice

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but you'd still want like +dashes or rd lmao

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because damage kinda good

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flurry cast feels more qol more than like impactful if that makes sense

stiff obsidian
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is there a doc with boon stats?

stone rune
stiff obsidian
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thank

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is there a way to check pom scaling on it

stone rune
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click

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or

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no

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thats rarityt

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pom is pressing number

stiff obsidian
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yea

stone rune
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on your keyboard

stiff obsidian
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oh nice

stone rune
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or ctrl for 10 20 30 etc

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and -+ for adding/subtractign

sweet cave
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I just bought hades

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All on board were going on an adventure

gleaming thistle
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good

sweet cave
mint coral
sweet cave
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First 1000 hours game im coming

heady notch
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itll take u way less than a thousand hours to 100% it

mint coral
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Have fun grinding for 325k darkness

void vigil
sweet cave
sweet cave
mint coral
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Nah

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Is just a resource sink

heady notch
void vigil
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which took me 600 hours 🥲

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more, even

heady notch
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I wanna 100% pyre as well

mint coral
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Pyre is my only 100% game on steam

heady notch
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Hades for me

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12 titan stars sounds so hard tho 😭

stiff obsidian
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i keep getting huge frame drops when there are a lot of projectiles on screen

mint coral
stiff obsidian
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is it normal

heady notch
sweet cave
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My only 100% game was hollow knight

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And i didnt even do it

gray apex
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hk gud game

rose roost
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ss getting set back to 2-4 yrs, rip

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thank god hades is custom engine

lusty robin
mint coral
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Post credits there is a resource sink added

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Darkness+ some other resources and you get a little badge

lusty robin
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Oh you mean the one in ||hades’s bedroom ||

mint coral
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Total amounts to 325k darkness

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Yeah

lusty robin
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I’m a decent way through most of the trophies. This is on PS5 but I presume the trophies are the same

mint coral
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I think just getting all achievements is more fair lol

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I mainly said it as a joke

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Cuz it's certainly a grind

lusty robin
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Yup achievements, that’s the word I was looking for 😅

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I’m finding grinding for the gems a huge chore more than anything.

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And diamonds too I suppose

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Do we need spoiler tags here for late game stuff?

void vigil
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No, all spoilers are allowed in this channel shadesmile

lusty robin
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Yeah I was gonna say, as soon as I got the option to get back all the ambrosia I gave to dusa, I was like, “Yes, please!”

stone rune
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yeah all achievements is fine

stiff obsidian
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i still have the bad call achievment left

stone rune
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other than the

lusty robin
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It is a bit of RNG in some of the things I saw.

stone rune
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yeah bad call was my last one

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ranking up all keepsakes i still havent done technically

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just coincidental from max save lol

lusty robin
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I died 3-4 times trying to get enough charge to do Bad Call

mint coral
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Bad call is full call in god trial right?

stone rune
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yeah

lusty robin
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Yup

stone rune
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with the god you're fighting against being the call

lusty robin
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The Thanatos butterfly one was a bit hard for me too

stone rune
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that ones pretty free

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only takes like half a run to do

lusty robin
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I haven’t gotten to the point where I can get no hits in elysium so was a bit Grundy for me. Not TOO bad.

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Took me 4 tries I think

lusty robin
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If I’m remembering what it does correctly

stone rune
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30

lusty robin
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Ohh! I didn’t realize that the free rooms eat away from encounter rooms

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I guess it’s obvious but I never made that connection 😂

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Plus I really like visiting Sisyphus

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Not looking forward to the extreme measures achievement 🥲

mint coral
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Em4 on its own isn't thaaat bad

normal hazel
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olympian favor or dark foresight?

stone rune
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dark foresight 100%

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3rd most important mirror option

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olympian favor sucks

normal hazel
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oh

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and family status or privileged status?

stone rune
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family favorites

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priv status has a small niche in like 2 builds

latent moon
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Like on a scale from 1-10 olympian favor is like a 6 or 7

stone rune
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i mean

latent moon
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Dark foresight is an 11

stone rune
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its pretty bad

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since its not any epic or duo/lego boost

latent moon
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It's only bad because the counterpart is dark foresight

stone rune
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only rare

normal hazel
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1% seems pretty low.

latent moon
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Rare Hermes and chaos is good

stone rune
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1%??

latent moon
normal hazel
stone rune
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OF maxes at 40%

latent moon
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Imo it's not bad but dark foresight is much more useful in the sense that the rarity won't matter if you don't see boons

normal hazel
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anything I should change in this?

latent moon
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Fiery presence instead of shadow presence but it doesn't really matter too much if you don't want to fully optimize

stone rune
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turn on fiery

normal hazel
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got it 👍

stone rune
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once you get the next ones flip the second

normal hazel
stone rune
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god's pride vs god's legacy

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20% to epic chance or 10% to duo/lego

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take pride there

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and fated authority vs persuasion

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authority lets u roll doors

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persuasion lets u roll boons

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and wells and purging pools

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and poms

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persuasion is better

normal hazel
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exactly how useful is fishing?

stone rune
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might as well do it

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nice rewards

normal hazel
stone rune
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idk

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rod funny

normal hazel
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lol got it

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also apologies for bombarding this channel with questions

stone rune
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its cool

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thats what we're here for yk

lusty robin
mint coral
normal hazel
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which one should I choose?

stone rune
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what aspect

normal hazel
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zeus shield

stone rune
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you cant go wrong with divine dash

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i guess divine dash then

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because your attack isnt too important on zeus

normal hazel
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hmm

lusty robin
mint coral
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Favor doesn't help with that

lusty robin
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How high does fated persuasion go btw?

mint coral
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4 rolls

lusty robin
mint coral
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Rare boons means as in the rarity of common/rare/epic

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Dark foresight would mean you can see more boons overall

mint coral
lusty robin
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So if you were trying to get the legendary boons, does Olympian favor not stack with gods legacy?

mint coral
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Wording only says for rare boons

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Things like god keepaakes/yarn of ariadne/Chaos favor boon say rare or more

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Those are a +10% to duos/legendaries

lusty robin
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Ohhh I always been reading it as rare or more 🥲

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Guess I’ll be changing that when I play this evening

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Thanks!!

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Is hypnos’s heart track only unlocked after the epilogue?

mint coral
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Need to talk to him and hypnos until he starts doing his job better or smth like that

mint coral
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Chaos defiance boon isn't affected by these things bouldy

normal hazel
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what do you guys do when you're having a bad run?

lusty robin
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Like running low on health?

normal hazel
mint coral
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Also depends on biome

lusty robin
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For me, depends on what I’m going for. You can always purge boons you don’t like and hope for better ones using keepsakes

mint coral
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Life I just ball and pray I can get some DD back with athena/patty/charon

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But also I killed quite a few runs on just vibes

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Wasn't having fun so goodbye

lusty robin
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You can always earn darkness to get better stuff with the mirror so even a “bad” run has some uses

mint coral
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Oh yeah, if you are upgrading stuff don't simply throw lol

normal hazel
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yeah I guess

leaden belfry
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How does Giga cutter special work?

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With divine flourish I should be pretty much one shotting everything aside from bosses right?

stone rune
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after u pummel 12 times ur spec hits a lot of times

leaden belfry
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I thought it was a multplier

stone rune
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i mean

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it bsaically is

leaden belfry
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Well not divine flourish

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Thats the forst thing that came ro.mind

stone rune
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it's not like

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one shot damage

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for enemies in ely

leaden belfry
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Is it worth using charge special hammer with giga cutter then?

normal hazel
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I mostly have trouble when I don't get the boons I need so I just give up early lol

stone rune
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thats a good one

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as well as explosive upper

leaden belfry
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+100%

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Yeah

stone rune
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always do dash upper btw

mint coral
stone rune
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standing upper does less damage

leaden belfry
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oh

stone rune
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kin launcher i assumed

leaden belfry
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Dash upper

stone rune
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flying cutter sucks ass

leaden belfry
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giga cutter is the 12 comvo special

stone rune
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no

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its 6

leaden belfry
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I havent fully upgraded the aspect

mint coral
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12 hits

lusty robin
normal hazel
leaden belfry
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Hoe about aegis shield

stone rune
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?

lusty robin
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But if you would like more variety of choices, I would finish filling up the mirror first.

leaden belfry
stiff obsidian
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is this worth taking on beo

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c27

stone rune
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i wouldnt at that stage

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i assume ur far into run

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yeah definitely not

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well

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yeah its 4

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since ur time is fine and its early i might have taken if it was 3

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but nah

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too long

latent moon
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also considering it's 50 ely

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def not

stone rune
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you'd lose too much time

stiff obsidian
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alr

normal hazel
wary iron
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Why not play till you die?

leaden belfry
lusty robin
latent moon
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also hitting "give up" in the menu resets all the progress and resources you get in a run

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acts as if the run never happened basically

lusty robin
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Yup, better to die that to hit Give Up.

normal hazel
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yeah you're right

latent moon
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dying is part of the experience of playing the game lmao

leaden belfry
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What do I do woth keys now that I unlocked all the mirror?

normal hazel
latent moon
normal hazel
latent moon
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yeah trading

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forgot that existed

lusty robin
leaden belfry
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I sell stuff for titans blood

mint coral
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15 keys for 1 blood sometimes ahows up so that's always nice to get

leaden belfry
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Btw Is there a way to make Rail gun more accurate on its special

stone rune
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get better aim

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or rocket bomb

leaden belfry
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I am using rocket bomb i think

normal hazel
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What do I get from Patroclus?

mint coral
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Also if you have fated keys you get rolls when picking up keys so that's something

leaden belfry
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But the cluster is either spread out or focused

stone rune
lusty robin
stiff obsidian
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does swift strike make u go from atk -> rush faster

stone rune
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no

normal hazel
stone rune
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it makes standing strike faster

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so ill take it if ive bricked on hermees

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because it will probably save a few ms somewhere

stiff obsidian
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ig

normal hazel
lusty robin
lusty robin
latent moon
lusty robin
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Early game I used to do Death defiance

normal hazel
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I should just get healing because I'm using special and I have all death defiances

stone rune
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which i said

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so yea

lusty robin
normal hazel
lusty robin
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If you think you lose a lot of life in elysium, go for healing as an insurance

lusty robin
stone rune
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it does not

jagged hamlet
normal hazel
jagged hamlet
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I've been trying to optimize my Tartarus segments, but I have no clue how people clear it in under 2 min. Does the speedrun modpack give quicker rooms?

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Been taking as many free rooms as I get, prioritizing friend room over Chaos and midshops. Been trying to instakill enemies as well with an eye toward killing as many as possible per action

mint coral
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what combats you get also matter a lot

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can't be too speedy if you get big rooms with unarmored witches that decide to spawn one at a time

jagged hamlet
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Good point! I've been getting those, numbskull clouds, hordes of very evasive archers that spread everywhere, etc. I'm not sure how to mitigate this

stone rune
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what aspect

jagged hamlet
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Currently Hestia. Also have had this problem with Zagbow

latent moon
stone rune
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its not that bad

latent moon
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I don't even do that consistently and I've played for a while

stone rune
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on hestia tart is good

latent moon
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Fair

stone rune
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zagbow is just not that good at speed

jagged hamlet
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Thanks. Been trying to use my nice first room Piercing Fire to line up enemies (without losing time, ofc)

stone rune
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on hestia the game gives u the range to deal with witches

latent moon
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But sub2 tart isn't like

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Common when starting out imo

stone rune
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you should kill 2 or 3 witches per rotation

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2 tdashes on one witch, special on another, attack on 3rd

latent moon
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Late game is where most of the time loss is anyways so I think it's better to focus there rn

stone rune
jagged hamlet
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Thanks, both. I guess I need to look into dash kills in Tartarus. It's just a bit meh losing roughly 1 minute or more in Tart and being unable to tell why: almost feels like I physically can't move that quickly somehow

stone rune
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watch zyru

jagged hamlet
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Will do. Thanks

stone rune
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hestia is like

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highest apm aspect in the game

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so if ur apm is bad probably dont do that

sweet cave
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Hera crush shot is the best thing combo in the game
Change my mind

stone rune
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beo:

latent moon
stone rune
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actions per minute

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other than achilles i gues

latent moon
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Yeah I was gonna say Achilles is probably higher lmao

wispy sinew
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What type build u guys think I should do for spear build?

jagged hamlet
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Depends heavily on the aspect of spear

wispy sinew
jagged hamlet
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Archilles is often used for non-sticking cast builds (Trippy Fog, Demeter's beam, etc), and Guan Yu and Zagreus can be used for throwing Specials everywhere (Charged Skewer, and for Zag, CS + Exploding)

wispy sinew
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But probably guan yu I think I gotta beat with it what keepsake should I start with

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I'm thinking spiked collar cuz the lack of health

jagged hamlet
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Start with Aphrodite or Artemis if you can get Charged Skewer soonish

wispy sinew
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Ok I will go with aphrodite

stone rune
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most common are

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hunting blades by far

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and then phalanx trailing behind

wispy sinew
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@stone rune should I buy breaching or charged skewer first?

stone rune
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on guan yu?

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charged skewer for sure

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breaching skewer is a meh hammer

wispy sinew
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Seems like be good for elysium

stone rune
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it’s nice but not a big deal

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it’s the best second hammer because nothing else is helpful

wispy sinew
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Ok I will grab charged an hope can get breach before elysium

stone rune
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but yeah charged skewer is super good

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entire build centers around it

wispy sinew
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Ok I'm not guna worry about any atk just special which has zues and have I picked up passion dash but will switch when get something good

stone rune
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On special you want a % boosting boon

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aphrodite, artemis, and poseidon are the 3 most common for guan yu specifically

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poseidon isn’t good in a lot of other scenarios but can be ok on guan yu

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so i’d sell thunder flourish and take one of those keepsakes into asphodel if u can

wispy sinew
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Ok I will grab Aphrodite

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I killed the enemy after accidentally atk again after spin....

stone rune
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don’t spin too often

wispy sinew
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It was just to get health I always use special sides that

stone rune
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yea

wispy sinew
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I was just to close to the guy and accidentally killed him b4 got health 😄

stone rune
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lol

wispy sinew
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I wish special healed too tho tbh

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So we can't see boldy relationship but wana keep maxing?

stone rune
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bouldy doesn’t have relationship

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he just gives u a lil boost when u gift

wispy sinew
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I didn't see it pop up is it hidden?

stone rune
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open boon menu

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it’s called heart of stone

wispy sinew
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Oh

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Thanks he gave me atk tho sadly

stone rune
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yeah its random out of a lot of stuff

wispy sinew
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Ok kool

drowsy linden
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time to finally find out how bad chaos is after using zeus for a long time

past summit
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tri shot plus explosive shot is such a broken combo

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i just walk up to enemies, politely introduce myself, blow them into meat chunks, and run away

drowsy linden
past summit
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the only hidden aspect i have is guan yu

drowsy linden
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yes, its slow

spare tartan
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If i skip 16 heat and go right to 32 heat will i get both of skellys prizes

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If so whats the easiest 32 heat

latent moon
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yes

latent moon
spare tartan
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Bet

drowsy linden
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like me, who completely abandoned td

latent moon
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def not recommended to do that btw lmao

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td2 is generally like a minimum take

spare tartan
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Im gonna do it with bow so ill look for the combo for that

latent moon
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you are free to make changes tho, but like
just avoid certain pacts

spare tartan
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Got it

bright sentinel
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does swift flourish make zeus shield special tick faster

wispy sinew
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I talked to patroclus probably 50 times by now and I still can't give him ambrosia what do I gotta do?

latent moon
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It's just like the recall

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And throwing it out

formal orbit
bright sentinel
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tragic

wispy sinew
leaden belfry
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So uh

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Aspect of demeter wirh Kinetic layncher

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on fists

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does 1k+ per hit

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But gilgamesh gloves is incompatible with most

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things

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Oops

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Its not very good

plush ferry
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hades is 50% off...

drowsy linden
drowsy linden
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wtf just had asterius charge into theseus for the first time

latent moon
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yeah that's a thing that happens

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they just went through their friendship arc

drowsy linden
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for the sisyphus companion, do i have to gift stuff to bouldy or just keep talking to sisy
i have gotten the prophecy for end of torment

latent moon
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talk to sisyphus

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i think

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gifting bouldy shouldn't be important i dont think

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although you might have to talk to him lmao

drowsy linden
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so far achilles and sisyphus are taking a while, got meg and than's like 10+ runs ago

latent moon
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sounds about right

spare tartan
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Do u guys kill theseus or asterius first

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I think ive only killed theseus first once or twice

drowsy linden
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i kill asterius first, but occasionally i do both at once

latent moon
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he's the one that makes the fight difficult and he actively chases you so it's just better to take him out first

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theseus is just like annoying area denial

past summit
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i love stubborn roots

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im just waiting in a corner for full health

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i'm in styx side room right now

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theres a big gap in the middle of the chamber and none of the enemies can reach me

latent moon
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i mean in heat you take em3 lmao

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so like the friendship move doesn't happen nearly as often

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homie's in a chariot

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they can tho

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most of the time yeah

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yeah it can happen

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have fun chasing theseus while the bull chases you

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in heat speedruns you kill theseus first

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because asterius chases you and theseus is running around

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so you just naturally hit both (ideally)

past summit
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and now im at full health by doing literally nothing

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peak Hades gameplay

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just beat dad again with my explosive arrow shotgun

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even easier than last time

drowsy linden
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now try ls4

jagged hamlet
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Do any of you happen to have a favorite guide to spawn manips?

latent moon
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that should be all the spawn manips

wispy sinew
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Should I go ahead an try to kill hades rn or just die and wait til I max out relationships?

drowsy linden
plush ferry
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first kill of hades?

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you have to kill him 10 times to get to the first ending

drowsy linden
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you can max out relationships over time

wispy sinew
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@plush ferry no I'm on 9th just kept letting myself die in Styx

drowsy linden
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~30-50 runs should be enough for max relationship on about everyone(with achilles, and such being slow)

latent moon
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you can max relationships after getting the credits
doesnt really change the story

plush ferry
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it took me ~70 to max relationships because unlocking the max relationships with the olympians is sometimes pretty arcane

wispy sinew
jagged hamlet
drowsy linden
wispy sinew
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I will go ahead and beat the game then if it makes it easier maxing them out

drowsy linden
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SO much more abrosia

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you have endless amounts if you never/rarely lose

jagged hamlet
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It took me until the 140th run to unlock Meg's favor 😭

wispy sinew
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So after I beat it an max out relationships I beat it one more time an get epilog or does it do it right there

jagged hamlet
#

There's an epilogue after you befriend all the Olympians

wispy sinew
jagged hamlet
#

Other prerequisites exist; talk to peeps at the house after each run

wispy sinew
#

Yea that I always do after run

past summit
#

wait if i beat hades too many times the game ends?

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well that sucks

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i thought it would kinda just be infinite

stone rune
#

what

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it is

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where do u get that idea from

past summit
stone rune
#

you can still play the game

past summit
#

they said that after beating hades 10 times that the game ends

stone rune
#

it definitely doesn’t

past summit
stone rune
#

the story has an important part there

past summit
#

ok don't spoil it

stone rune
#

but it’s not the end of the game

rose roost
#

it's an "ending" to a part of the story

stone rune
#

as in you can’t play more

rose roost
#

the game(and story) still continues

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and story does end at a certain point but the game loop never does

wispy sinew
jagged hamlet
#

Imagine having to unlock everything all over again 🙀

rose roost
#

||the epilogue is when you max hearts with all the gods||

wispy sinew
#

||was pretty sure after show about the picture in room that she comes down and that's the end at least that's my guess||

past summit
#

question, is dodge useful at all?

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it doesn't seem useful to me

stone rune
#

not rlly

past summit
#

personally, anything that encourages or incentivizes being hit is imedietly garbage tier

stone rune
#

well

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that’s not true

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heavens vengeance is good

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boiling point

past summit
#

that's just me personally, it's against my entire playstyle

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which mostly comes down to "don't get hit lol"

stone rune
#

but don’t u die a lot

wispy sinew
#

😆

past summit
wispy sinew
#

@stone rune since you played alot how often do u die?

stone rune
#

well it depends

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i could reasonably do an indefinite streak on 0 heat id say

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end of streaking for me is like 45

wispy sinew
#

Nice

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Fastest time?

stone rune
#

5:13

wispy sinew
#

Got clip?

stone rune
#

nah the recording died

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i got clips of 2 5:21s tho

wispy sinew
#

Link?

past summit
#

which weapon should i try going with next? just beat heat 1 with the bow

wispy sinew
#

@past summit did you beat normal with all them?

stone rune
#

here’s the good 5:21

past summit
stone rune
#

the other one i played horribly

void vigil
#

I had a 145 streak on no heat, because I wanted to finish the contractor ranks. Once I got enough darkness I broke the streak and died 50 times on purpose. Now I need to fill out the mirror again though…

wispy sinew
#

@past summit spear

stone rune
#

i had a 130 streak on my personal save

past summit
stone rune
#

and then i went back to do a little unmodded speed

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and forgot about the streak and reset lol

stone rune
past summit
#

maybe i should try guan yu

stone rune
#

in a row??

wispy sinew
#

@stone rune I check it out I bought hades on ps5 I wana do modded tho with the one clip I saw might buy on pc

past summit
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since i have a prophecy to do for it

stone rune
#

guan yu is good but very hammer reliant

wispy sinew
#

@past summit that's what I did too

stone rune
jagged hamlet
#

50 times whaaaat

void vigil
stone rune
#

do u have to reset between rank increase

#

i don’t think i ever increased my rank lol

void vigil
#

Yeah you can do one per run

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it would have been smart to do them as I got the darkness, but I like doing it all at once. I also saved up like 200 titan blood to upgrade all my aspects at once

drowsy linden
#

are there any upsides/downsides to not choosing a god in trial besides they go againt syou and no heroics

stone rune
#

i still haven’t unlocked gilga or hades lol

stone rune
jagged hamlet
#

No, dog

drowsy linden
#

basically wondering if you get like lowered boon rarity

stone rune
#

and you get thrown to the crocodiles

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in keeping with tradition

wispy sinew
#

That part that sometimes happens really messes up speed runs bad I'm guessing

drowsy linden
#

for some reason beo and the boon specific(like rip current) boons dont exists

stone rune
wispy sinew
#

@stone rune when hades summons enemies for 45sec

stone rune
#

oh those are actually good

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because they pause the in game timer

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they’re bad for rta runs though

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where you time with an external timer which never stops

wispy sinew
#

Oh I got you I thought they kept going n chaos was only pause

stone rune
#

yeah they pause a lot

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during thanatos encounters

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in story rooms

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boon menus

#

pause

wispy sinew
#

Oh I got you

past summit
#

damn, guan yu feels amazing

drowsy linden
#

until you die in 2 hits to hades*

wispy sinew
plush ferry
#

guan yu would be one of my fave aspects if it didnt have the lifesteal gimmick and related cut to HP

jagged hamlet
#

Shouldn't be eating many hits if you primarily use Guan Yu's special

wispy sinew
#

@stone rune so why pause mid room with enemies in it?

stone rune
#

to get bearings

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since the in game timer pauses you can observe your surroundings during pause

wispy sinew
#

Ok got you I will try to speed run at some point after maxing stuff out 5 mins is insane though

jagged hamlet
#

It really is

stone rune
#

anyone can do it with enough practice

drowsy linden
#

i cant even get sub 25bouldy
probably becuase im using the wrong builds

wispy sinew
#

What's record for unmodded?

stone rune
#

5:04

jagged hamlet
#

I don't think I can. I've been trying really hard, though maybe not optimally (need to learn spawn manips), and it's insanely difficult for me to get under even 10 min

wispy sinew
#

Thats insane

latent moon
stone rune
latent moon
#

it's more technical skill at that point

stone rune
#

sub10 is all skill

latent moon
#

just like stand in corners for now

jagged hamlet
#

Help I'm being humbled

latent moon
#

you dont need to actually learn the manip spots

stone rune
#

corner stand took me at least as far as 5:27

past summit
#

got good ones, hunter dash or artemis aid? both are epic rarity

stone rune
#

i think i’ve picked up the weirder manips atp tho

latent moon
#

ngl i only remember 1 spawn manip consistently

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it's the ely room with like the giant gap at the bottom

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everything else just stand in a corner

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but for a sub10, it's mostly skill and a bit of rng

wispy sinew
#

Is spawn manips going to certain side of room to bundle together?

latent moon
#

more or less yeah

#

enemies only spawn on/near your screen

#

so if you shove yourself in a corner, you limit the playable area so enemies spawn closer to you

#

some runners straight up dash into magma in asphodel for that lmao

wispy sinew
#

So if that's what it does how isn't it a must to learn for best time?

latent moon
#

i never said you dont need it for a best time

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i said you dont need it for a sub10

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you can unironically get like a sub7 or even sub6 without learning spawn manips

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the game is mostly mechanical skill and a chunk of rng

wispy sinew
#

Where can I find a list for what these terms are 😆 majority of the time I have no clue what u guys saying with this sides em3 or whatever I assume is a pact

latent moon
#

what part dont you understand lol

wispy sinew
#

Sub

#

10,7,6 so on

stone rune
#

sub means below

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a sub10 time typically means a time 9:dd

#

9:xx *

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sub7 is 6:xx sub6 is 5:xx etc

wispy sinew
#

Oh I got you thanks

#

How many runs it take you for your first 10?

stone rune
#

well

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my first sub10 was my first speedrun but i had played a lot beforehand

#

or

#

i think i did one speedrun a lot earlier

#

it was like a 10:23

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but then i did a lot of other stuff

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50 heat, 33 heat boonless mirrorless

#

i got to sub8 pretty quickly and then sub7 was a big barrier

#

your early speedrun performance is largely determined by your earlier experience with the game

wispy sinew
#

So the boonless I'm guessing something happens ,and you use the obvious keepsake right? N don't put acorn?

stone rune
#

shackle

wispy sinew
#

That's the name of the one I'm thinking or a different one?

stone rune
#

shackle gives +100% atk/special/cast damage with no boon in the slot

wispy sinew
#

Does the clip have a secret in it I should avoid?

stone rune
#

it shouldn’t

wispy sinew
#

Ok cuz I assume something big happens when fight hades with none

stone rune
#

yeah no

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i think he has some cute dialogue but my run didn’t actually have no boons in that sense

#

boonless here means that i didn’t benefit from any boons i got

wispy sinew
#

Ok I got u

stone rune
#

i still got them

wispy sinew
#

And you don't get dialog if get any?

stone rune
#

yeah it’s based on if you have any purgeable boons into the fight

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so if u have boons u can’t purge like premium vintage or nourished soul it’s fine

wispy sinew
#

I got you

past summit
#

i want to wait more before the story thing after beating hades 10 times, should i use the give up option in the menu to get yeeted back to the house when i get there?

stone rune
#

uh

past summit
#

also does it count how many times you beat hades or how many times you go to persephone

stone rune
#

those are the same thing

#

when u give up it just forgets the run happened

past summit
#

well that sucks

stone rune
#

yes

wispy sinew
#

@past summit instead just die so you don't lose anything

#

I stand in poison at last room in Styx

past summit
wispy sinew
#

U can as long as you stop at beating him 9 times

past summit
#

well, i've beaten him twice so far

wispy sinew
#

Your good to go then got little to worry about 10th

past summit
#

also, guan yu is awesome

#

like, this feels REALLY good

wispy sinew
#

I'd atleast beat it 6 times one each but try get the secret one with the 6 wins

wispy sinew
past summit
#

the less max hp is negligible when you can easily spin attack at a group of enemies to get all of your health back

#

it's almost op

wispy sinew
#

Yea but bosses can kill u easily if don't keep distance. I was using it n accidentally killed the enemy that I launched spin at then one the sisters killed me 😆

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Cuz I didn't have the one defiance on I was doing the other on an wasn't upgraded

past summit
#

asterius almost destroyed me

wispy sinew
#

But all am all as long as just use special it's great

past summit
#

sucks when he keeps pressure and i can't spin attack him

wispy sinew
#

What spin did you first get

jagged hamlet
#

TFW you struggle to get Zeus aspect sub 6 by the end of Asphodel and someone who does entire runs sub 6 is like "I bad player" 😂

past summit
#

"you have no honor, no grace, no skill!" - Theseus, less than a second before i shoved my spear between his ribs

#

i wish this game had an option in settings to remove all of theseus' voice lines

#

any time he is supposed to speak it's just "..."

#

that would be so nice

wispy sinew
#

I don't like him either least favorite boss

past summit
wispy sinew
#

Or lernie

stone rune
#

lernie is the boss with the most skill based stuff

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for speed

#

it took me a long time to get decent results in lernie

wispy sinew
#

I got ya I just think he's kool af and tisiphone with the dialog

past summit
#

mostly because he has so many of your own mechanics

#

dashing, casting, that stuff

#

also, guan yu really makes me feel like a boss

#

especially with the flood strike or whatevere it's called

#

throwing a bunch of spin attacks across a room

wispy sinew
#

I was expecting some insane stuff thrown at me nope

past summit
#

also, the main thing about hades is how hard he hits

#

a single sweep feels devastating

#

especially since i have guan yu

#

after all the stuff i collected i only have 77 max hp

wispy sinew
#

Yea true I wouldn't put him at the bottom of the list. I was around there maybe 60 something

past summit
#

serrated point is great, until it's not

#

dash debuff got me killed

jagged hamlet
#

Soon you two will be burning DDs against him just to damage him more quickly

signal bronze
#

how many stages does the lyre have when practicing

#

bad notes > short notes > longer notes

#

am guessing am at the final stage

whole comet
#

Do you know how often people lose to the unpredictable overlaps?

#

Or just die to Jars break themselves

latent moon
#

Time to sell attack dusa

normal hazel
#

so I just beat the game (got to credits), what's the first thing I should do now?

past summit
#

i love how the hydra's name actually changes to lernie above the health bar

stiff obsidian
#

do trials have better odds?

#

does the no duos thing give it even higher odds

normal hazel
#

is there a list of weapons with their best aspects and boons?

#

what about for the bow?

latent moon
#

Max bonds

#

Climb heat

normal hazel
#

best aspect for fist?

sweet cave
#

Excuse me my guy?

#

Have u tried artimes or dyno on special?

#

It melts bosses and doesnt even need to special for normal enemies

#

Not yet

normal hazel
#

what boons should I use with it?

#

what's ME?

stiff obsidian
#

what makes dd good?

#

divine dash

formal orbit
#

proc doom with dash strike

#

much faster than special on sword and fist

#

the only exception is zeus shield

stiff obsidian
#

i wasnt asking that in the context of their conversation btw

formal orbit
#

oh ok

#

iframe even if you dash strike

stiff obsidian
#

that and deflect thats all?

formal orbit
#

yeah

#

dash strike more frequently mean more consistent damage on sword and fist

stiff obsidian
#

like if i got delta chamber does ddash even do anything

formal orbit
#

you don't really need dd on rail

#

I prefer tidal for clearing

stiff obsidian
#

ye better off with another dash

stiff obsidian
#

does using a god keepsake lower ur odds of seeing another god

stone rune
#

only in the sense that

stiff obsidian
#

since u force a god into a slot which could have been any other

stone rune
#

once your pool is full you won't see any other gods

#

naturally

stiff obsidian
#

are the no. of gods u see in a biome completely rng

#

boons*

stone rune
#

its determined by

#

complicated

#

are you in speedcord

stiff obsidian
#

no

stone rune
#

ok

#

first off join speedcord

#

they will have more answers there

stiff obsidian
#

nah its ok

stone rune
#

but i also need to link you to messages in that discord

stiff obsidian
#

ok

void vigil
#

i think discord has a new "guest mode" where if you link messages, others can view them without being in the server

stone rune
#

ok hold on

void vigil
#

doesnt work for me rn. but i swear it worked last time i tried it :(

#

might have been in the modding server

stone rune
#

might need to be like public

#

meanwhile teddy holds us hostage

stiff obsidian
shrewd veldt
#

I am like 1 week into the gmae and i love it tbh

#

I love to play with the spear and bow but im kinda confused what spear i should use

#

Or what spear is the best yk

stone rune
#

achilles is the best

#

guan yu is pretty good

#

no

#

GY has 58 i think

#

achilles 60

stray shard
#

I got the megaera all hearts cutscene 🙏

jagged hamlet
#

[Ease Off]

grand lotus
#

the only time i use achilles spear is when im doing a cast build

#

i absolutely cant use it otherwise idk why

latent moon
#

A while ago now

#

It was like a month or something before you came back I think

#

Pretty sure we mentioned it too lmao

vale moss
#

guan yu can't do dc like at all but achilles can

#

because as you know ri3-4 is awful

latent moon
#

I could be wrong but for unmodded, retrash used dc2

whole comet
crystal star
#

Qs ms?

whole comet
#

i mean going for specific hammer upgrade of course

crystal star
#

I mean you could

#

Idk about high heat though

#

I hate guan yu

#

I also hate arthur

#

And rama

whole comet
crystal star
#

And gilga

whole comet
crystal star
#

Rama L

whole comet
#

so not lucifer?

crystal star
#

Lucifer is fine

#

Because the noises

#

Vvvvvvvvvvvbvvvvvvvvvv

whole comet
#

i dun recall people gets far on high heat with Lucifer

crystal star
#

Yeah

#

It sucks mostly

#

Because eris and hestia are built different 💪

#

So yeah I hte it

#

Even super soaker is bad

#

Only good hidden is beo

stone rune
#

hestia 60

#

eris 62

stiff obsidian
#

is 62 evrything max but with ri3

stone rune
#

yes

stiff obsidian
#

damn

whole comet
#

?

stone rune
#

modded

whole comet
#

unseed/unmod for Lucifer, i see 55 higest heat

stone rune
#

luci needs specific starting hammer

#

out of like 15

whole comet
#

yeah, and?

stone rune
#

nobody is resetting for that

whole comet
#

i guess people only do it for Zeus shield on heat64 then shadeeyeroll

stone rune
#

you can imagine that that's a little different

whole comet
#

wouldn't the resetting concept the same?

crystal star
#

Yeah but 64 is a bigger number

stone rune
#

yeah but nobody rlly cares about making luci go from 55 to 56

whole comet
#

correct me if i'm wrong

#

but i believed someone said some crazy dude/girl is trying heat60 all aspects

stone rune
#

yea

#

same person who did 64 unm

whole comet
#

so yes, there's someone who might be trying to be mad shadeeyeroll

#

guess we will see when we will get that heat60 Lucifer

stone rune
#

no

#

not all aspects

#

all weps

whole comet
#

oh...

#

that's a bummer

stone rune
#

i feel like theres stuff that just cant 60

drowsy linden
#

no chaos heat60zagcry

stone rune
#

in an unrouted

stone rune
drowsy linden
#

damn
did they use special more than 0 times(excluding celebrations and attacks like asterius spin)

stone rune
#

no

crystal star
#

Proof chaos best Shield 😎

stone rune
#

its just aspect of cshot

drowsy linden
#

its so good you dont even use the mechanic

jagged hamlet
#

Well yeah. Wouldn't want to break the game

drowsy linden
#

im doing 1.5-1.75k damage per cast without mirage and critsbouldy

#

crush shot+parting shot+gilg+ruthless+reversal

stiff obsidian
#

what are the odds of seeing patty

latent moon
#

50%
you see him or you dont dusa

#

but honestly no clue

stiff obsidian
#

oh so it isnt actually 50/50

#

or is it

stone rune
#

it actually is about 50%

#

if u wanna know this stuff just ctrl f in speedcord

stiff obsidian
#

all the nerds in speedcord

drowsy linden
#

i made it out of tart in 6 minutes on zag sword, how slow am i

jagged hamlet
#

I, a player much worse than jazz, can get out of Tartarus in about 2.5 min most of the time with most weapons. Hope this helps

drowsy linden
#

got it
so i should use chaos shield

jagged hamlet
#

Most definitely 😂

stone rune
#

and also just generally not super fast

#

if u wanna go fast

#

check out

drowsy linden
#

well i just wanted a weapon for td while still getting bounties, and sword was lowest at 3

stone rune
#

on sword the best/fastest aspect is nemesis

drowsy linden
#

what hammers should i get for zag sword

stone rune
#

on all swords u want double edge

#

piercing wave is an ok cope hammer

#

otherwise just take something that isn’t actively negative

drowsy linden
#

well i just took wave over edgebouldy

stone rune
#

the damage rotation for sword is dash strike x2 -> special

brisk trail
#

Is their any way to get Thanatos to appear more

whole comet
#

i mean, there has to be one build only, right?

#

like fresh file, gl beating people speedrun without ME

stone rune
#

hera isnt that hammer dependent

#

nor fists

#

for eris/hestia you have a lot of options till around sub6 territory

#

but sword has a hammer which basically doubles your damage output

#

kinda hard to go without that if u want to go fast

whole comet
#

i see

#

speaking of the sword

#

i'm worried about EM4 Mirrorless/Boonless heat32 run that i wanna try

#

feels like i would not have the damage without specific hammer shadeeyeroll

drowsy linden
#

finally, beowulf waking phrase
All it took was getting shady 2 chambers before chaos gate

#

also, what does ambiguity do

#

wrong
it means beowulf actually exists

cobalt heath
#

Are image uploads not allowed? I wanted peoples opinions on a versus battle situation between Zagreus and Pit from Kid Icarus: Uprising and I made a graphic comparing their abilities, just to keep things concise.

latent moon
#

You can send image links

#

Or upload to@imgur

cobalt heath
signal aspen
#

goku

cobalt heath
#

superman

#

I think it comes down to, could Zagreus realistically outlast Pit's resources and flight? I'm trying to compare lore primarily, not so much damage numbers and health.

#

smair athena call?

latent moon
#

Smoldering air Athena call

cobalt heath
#

ah, that one

#

there would still be some gaps that Zag is vulnerable, but in general Zag has more unlimited use resources than Pit does

whole comet
#

Might have invited Kratos to the party?

#

Also, Zag is good at range weapons too, right?

#

He made use of 6 weapons after all

cobalt heath
#

Zag has some range, but not as much as Pit. Power of Flight increases Pit’s range and power immensely.

whole comet
#

U have not mentioned Zag can I-frame invulnerable with dash lol

#

Isn’t that quite big for battle?

cobalt heath
cobalt heath
whole comet
#

Hermes can boon him to like 4-5 seconds invulnerable lol

#

I fail to see Pit stands a chance

#

Anyway, I vote Zag

#

He can use a lot of invulnerability, dash and call,

cobalt heath
#

Even if there’s a tiny gap where Zag is vulnerable realistically Pit could hit him. The staff weapons’ bullets travel near instantaneously. But of course that’s just a single hit. Would Zag have that many opportunities to attack back? Especially if there’s so much priority on dodging and invulnerability.

whole comet
#

Assuming 0 heat and full mirror support

latent moon
#

Me when I Beowulf mirage Rd 3 braids and 4 ichors

whole comet
cobalt heath
#

Heat and Cauldron are both non-factors, considering both can just make things harder for Zag lol

whole comet
#

Beo cast build, destroy Pit in seconds

cobalt heath
#

Reflect

cobalt heath
whole comet
#

Well im not familiar with Pit ability

cobalt heath
#

Do you know Palutena from Smash Bros? All her special moves are the same kind of powers Pit can use in Uprising.

latent moon
whole comet
#

I can’t remember from my head right now

latent moon
#

Is the argument that zag can't survive range pressure from pit and can't close the distance or something

#

I haven't played any games that feature pit so idrk what he can do lmao

#

And I dont play smash so I don't really have a good sense of what he can do either

cobalt heath
#

I’m not entirely on team Pit, this scenario has lived rent free in my head for a while since genuinely I think they’re pretty evenly matched.

#

Though I figured not everyone here has played Kid Icarus Uprising so I’m just bringing up potential counters that Pit could take advantage of.

jagged hamlet
#

Sorry for the non sequitur! How often (per x number of runs) do players like jazz get sub 6 or sub 7 runs?

latent moon
#

Depends how long they grind for

#

Like a lot of people reset in Tartarus

stone rune
#

sheet grinding u can get a sub6 like 1 every 10ish runs

latent moon
#

Assuming you have the skill to sub6 in the first place yeah

stone rune
#

corroborated by the fact that in one of his 50 heras croven got 5 sub6s

latent moon
#

this is also assuming you're using a good aspect lmao

stone rune
#

o yea

jagged hamlet
#

Thanks!

stone rune
#

and for sub7

#

most modded beo seeds are sub7 seeds

#

its basically just a matter of skill

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while sub6 is skill + decent rng

jagged hamlet
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Oh sweet. Dark Thirst is on Stygius now, so maybe I can record a VOD

latent moon
stone rune
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Grue

latent moon
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i unironically thing the reason why i didn't sub7 more on beo (besides not resetting more) is because ely was pretty cringe

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iirc i had like multiple 3:3x-3:4x aspho leaves but then ely was like 2 mins

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or more

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maybe i just suck at ely

stone rune
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54x exit sub7able

signal aspen
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for unmodded beo sub7s are like 60% luck

latent moon
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but also i dont think flamewheels and unarmored bluemen are helping

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yeah

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i stopped trying for beo sub7

stone rune
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for unmodded beo sub7s are 3/13*1/2*1/2*1/3 luck

signal aspen
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i grinded for sub7 beo for a couple months and then got it at 32 heat in like 5 attempts

latent moon
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lmfao based

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maybe that's what i need to do

stone rune
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someone needs to make new 32 unm rec

signal aspen
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nobody is beating magnil

stone rune
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it's a 6:15 right

signal aspen
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yeah

stone rune
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beatable

latent moon
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oh boy

stone rune
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i will not do it

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because it is unmodded

latent moon
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lmfao that's what i thought

signal aspen
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my run was wr pace i just needed a 50 sec ely

latent moon
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just

stone rune
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but im sure if like rt or someone put themselves into it they could beat it

signal aspen
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mike could do it

stone rune
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i feel like i might have it in me but i also dont want to do that

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so i dont count

latent moon
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i'm not good enough at the game to do that lmao

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i haven't actually done 32 heat speedruns tho surprisingly

stone rune
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32 isnt really that bad

latent moon
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i've only done like 1 out of curiosity