Facts
#h1-discussion
stone rune
i would be free
formal citrus
I could see the appeal of AP1 to force more build diversity.
tepid light
My two hypest moments in the game:
- Beating dad for the first time without resorting to cowering behind shield for 40min
- Beating em4 dad for the first time
formal citrus
If hades 2 doesn't have ap2 ima riot
You could self enforce
stone rune
imagine 50 heat without ap2
tepid plover
I dont remember when's the last time I played without ap2 lmao
Winning feels more satisfactory too
Darn it
formal citrus
I kept customs off for the longest time to get those perfect build a
tepid plover
Cause I made w.e crap they gave me work
tepid light
If you need to curse, just say 'blood and darkness'
stone rune
My two hypest moments in the game:
- Beating dad for the first time without reso...
mine were when i beat dad boonless mirrorless 33 and when i got my first sub6
formal citrus
Hey we can say crap
stone rune
i was like hyperventilating man
tepid light
mine were when i beat dad boonless mirrorless 33 and when i got my first sub6
I see we have very different preferences aha
Still, nj
Must have taken quite a few tries
stone rune
let me see if i have the exact quote
formal citrus
Sometimes when I get something first try it feels underwhelming lol
tepid light
Sometimes when I get something first try it feels underwhelming lol
Yeah same
Though I definitely did not beat dad first time
Nor the heroes
tepid plover
I don't even remember my first clear 
stone rune
let me see if i have the exact quote
tepid plover
Oh I got my ass handed to me a couple of times by every single boss
tepid light
I do, because I started yelling in triumph while in a call, and everyone wondered if I'd gone insane
tepid light
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1133102251674718228/i...
Perfection
stone rune
Sometimes when I get something first try it feels underwhelming lol
this was me with em4
it was just kinda like thats it?
cause i didnt turn it on until id been playing for a few hundred hours
tepid plover
Nvm I found it
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/733451117652082798/unknown.png
Wait wtf
stone rune
or at least like 50 or something
tepid plover
Wrong pic
tepid plover
stone rune
for super superdad
tepid plover
There we go
stone rune
chaos putting in all the work lmao
formal citrus
Is double nova timed far enough apart for two bolts? I'm guessing no
stone rune
listen to it
if it's about the same amount of time as between 2 zeus special hits, probably
if it's faster, no
i know it's pretty slow
since you can dash out of it
but zeus rides on the brink of the cooldown
tepid plover
Best story moment in your opinion, something that made you really happy. I loved paying that 8888 even with a non finished mirror to reunite mommy nyx with chaos
I heard it got reduced now
tepid plover
I like her too
stone rune
that was mostly the extent of my interaction with the story
took ages though
cause you gotta get like 3 peoples favors
for her favor
tepid plover
Fav/least fav weapons aspect I'll start
Fav talos fist
Least fav guan yu
stone rune
my favorite aspect is HESTIA💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪
formal citrus
Woah a talos fan
tepid plover
Wait, which one is the pull special fist
stone rune
talos
tepid plover
Ok yeah talos
formal citrus
Fav is Hera again
stone rune
zagsword is fun
formal citrus
zagsword is fun
I need to give it another shot. Those aren't really least favorite so much as least recently used (except one talos recently)
tepid plover
Especially fists
formal citrus
I'll put arthur last
stone rune
Damn yall really hate talos uh
cant stand the pull
formal citrus
Zag is my fave fist
stone rune
ruins fiery
tepid plover
What's fiery
stone rune
so you gotta do super jitsu to kill a witch
formal citrus
Why does it?
stone rune
talos pull damages enemy
for like pittance
so when you try to dupper
it takes away the fiery
formal citrus
Ah less than a normal special? That is lame
stone rune
and since it's like 20
which is less than fiery boost
you no longer meet breakpoints
formal citrus
it takes away the fiery
Could say the same about rama special but I guess the attack is optimal fiery behind heatia
formal citrus
What's fiery
First mirror option alt for 75% boost on attack or special on undamaged
stone rune
yea rama gets a pass because fiery still affects the enemies you tag
tepid plover
Man earlier I shreked dad with slicing shot beowulf
stone rune
slicing beo 
formal citrus
I kinda want to try hunting blades hera again lol
tepid plover
Actually a very fun build
stone rune
definitely one of the top 9 flares
formal citrus
Does no flare count as a flare?
stone rune
yes
tepid plover
One thing I wished was different in hades was making bosses rewarding
By rewarding I mean run rewarding
stone rune
getting a good lernie fight feels rlly good
formal citrus
?
stone rune
hitting those 3 head flares
tepid plover
I get nothing from killing bosses rn
stone rune
o
formal citrus
Question was at carrot
stone rune
yea
formal citrus
Ah. I mean you can go for badges
formal citrus
Ah
stone rune
you get 5 hp
tepid plover
Most games have what they call boss items or relics and what not
formal citrus
Fountain
tepid plover
Special items that bosses drop
formal citrus
Keepsake change
tepid plover
That's not...
formal citrus
Never thought about it
tepid plover
Nvm
formal citrus
It's not what you're going for
stone rune
midbiome well
formal citrus
I can see how big boosts would be bad for game flow.
tepid plover
Something specific to the boss is what I mean
formal citrus
You want to be charged up to meet the boss, not after them
tepid plover
It would charge you for the next boss
stone rune
which means you're also allowed to curse heroes when your well has eye of lamia, gaea's treasure, and tinge of erebus
formal citrus
They chose to have the shops right before the boss instead of right after
tepid plover
which means you're also allowed to curse heroes when your well has eye of lamia,...
I also would love to remove all this stuff from my runs, waste of a slot
formal citrus
Slot?
stone rune
eye of lamia is literally the most worthless thing ever invented
formal citrus
Oh in the well
stone rune
i think they actually made the drop chance 1%
formal citrus
I buy them if I have hourglass lol
stone rune
i killed like 40 rats in a rat room once with eye of lamia and got like 1 heal
formal citrus
That sounds about right
stone rune
actual pittance
tepid plover
Oh in the well
Yes
stone rune
hydralite is so much cooler
tepid plover
Room rewards can stay, they still benefit the run even if minimal
formal citrus
Hourglass hydralite is amazing. Makes me feel vindicated for running LC2
stone rune
wdym
tepid plover
I'm talking about gems and darkness and stuff as room rewards
stone rune
oh
idk i think they could just remove the darkness reward
it gives you literally nothing
tepid plover
Those are fine thanks to the contractor
stone rune
5 hp and 5 darkness
the other ones are fine though
hitting that c2 nectar on beo is so nice
tepid plover
Is it just 5 darkness?
stone rune
some kinda pathetic number
stone rune
think it has a lower chance
stone rune
if i just see a few keys im good though
formal citrus
10 or 25 darkness
tepid plover
I never take keys 
stone rune
i mean
when you're looking at a 3 exit that has darkness gems and keys
you're taking gems?
formal citrus
Nectar > keys > gems > dark
I should probably prioritize late game keys
Or anything after tart keys, really
tepid plover
I go nectar>gems or darkness idc > key if it's the only door
stone rune
first pom from nectar > keys > nectar poms when you have 2/3 boons > gemstones > nectar poms late game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darkness
tepid plover
I never reroll
tepid plover
I just do
stone rune
how do you like get a build
tepid plover
I dont
stone rune
what
formal citrus
AP2 no retool is the most AP2
formal citrus
Always go to the southern most room
tepid plover
If I win is because I'm good, makes me feel better, I earned it, it wasn't handed to me
tepid plover
Stop choosing between doors
I do that when 2 boons are offered
formal citrus
I would play hades as a turn based game
stone rune
do you just end up with like 2 minute dad fights or something
where do you get your damage from
tepid plover
do you just end up with like 2 minute dad fights or something
Sometimes I do yeah
formal citrus
Is 2 minute long?
stone rune
yea
signal aspen
average dad fight is about 15 seconds
stone rune
TRUE
tepid plover
I go from 30 seconds to 3 minutes even
formal citrus
I feel like actual average dad fight is 2 min
stone rune
thats me taking 459 ely exit into styx
formal citrus
Lots of casual players to make up for many speed runner runs
I like that you don't have time to write the :, gotta go fast
stone rune
99% of times you can measure in this game are either always gonna be 3 digits or always gonna be 2 digits
only thing that varies is if you have rlly rlly fast biome
i only have 1 sub1 biome i think though
tepid plover
I have never tried to speedrun
stone rune
it was like a 49s aspho or something stupid i just got every skip
stiff obsidian
how to maximize dodge chance
stone rune
get hit less
latent moon
it was like a 49s aspho or something stupid i just got every skip
Sub1 aspho gang
latent moon
Damn that's a good ely
latent moon
I mean 130 Ely is pretty solid still
That's like upper limit for a sub6 tbf
But like considering the normal Ely stuff of like 3 minute Ely's lmao
stone rune
just had one of those on a hera run
latent moon
It do be like that
My non beo aspects are all like 4-5 aspho leave into a 3 min ely
A few aren't that bad but the majority are
formal citrus
So like your run of the mill sub10?
latent moon
That's like my general pace for a sub10 for aspects I'm not good at
formal citrus
Getting sub 10 on Eris was one of those first try at it in forever after trying tens of times on Hera
latent moon
Or in general I guess
Doesn't seem too unreasonable other than 2 minutes for Styx dad lmao
stone rune
i usually try to get like
sub2 or at least sub210 tart into like sub330 aspho
on aspects im not familiar with
latent moon
That's like sub 7/8 pace isn't it
latent moon
True lmao
stone rune
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wIUdNaN63WJCjq1hcS5sC8S4g-easCVnx0gseyeN2Yk/edit?usp=sharing
this is my sheet
oh i need to update zagbow
latent moon
I should do something like this
Gonna be a pain finding all the screenshots tho
Maybe I'll just get new pbs then
latent moon
sub8 allspects
Sub10 all aspects was pain
stone rune
i have sub8 halfspects
formal citrus
I'm feeling tempted to start a hell mode file to have the option and experience the story again and see how I am at fresh file and to be properly poly
latent moon
I'm feeling tempted to start a hell mode file to have the option and experience ...
Based
stone rune
to do anything allspects
you have to play chiron
and gilga
and arthur
and chaos
and zagshield
and hades
and zagspear
formal citrus
I've had good times with zag spear when trying to collect all the hammers
So many exclusive ones. Felt like more than luci lol
Or does the proffecy not care about luci
Did like 7 zag spear thunder flourish runs when climbing heat.
stiff obsidian
wow got chaos +90% obol then stole 570 from chiron and got 20% off pass
formal citrus
Gonna be able to buy a titan blood for the hell of it.
tepid plover
you think this beats charon? xd
god dammit
we doin it
i only have the cast and i cant cast cause of charon lmfao
winged valve
any thoughts on which is a better bow aspect to "main" first as I'm going up heats and farming blood etc
hera vs chiron
tepid plover
id say hera
twin thistle
zag bow supremacy
winged valve
because it's easier, more reliable, etc?
tepid plover
its powerful
winged valve
Against mobs I guess the upgrade level of hera doesn' tmatter much since you basically nuke everything and it dies
but against bosses, a level 1-2 Hera bow is probably pretty poor?
winged valve
it's a weird progression of ammo drop times:
Ammo Drop Time
(10s / 8s / 6.67s / 6.15s / 5s)
heavy diminishing returns from 3 to 4, then 4 to 5 is a pretty substantial jump
stone rune
hera vs chiron
hera
winged valve
i guess I could do hera to level 3
twin thistle
zag bow
stone rune
and hera levels are way less important for dps than chiron levels
winged valve
hera is one of the best aspects in the game
keep in mind, this isn't high skill, full everything unlocked, 40 heat gameplay 😛
this is a bad player with an incomplete mirror play at like heat 2
stone rune
chiron you basically need at max level to do its pitiful damage
hera still is perfectly fine doing immense damage at lvl 1
winged valve
for hera, doesn't lower level hurt a lot against bosses?
twin thistle
get just quick reload fr
winged valve
well sure, if it comes up
I don't have persuasion though so not much I can do if it doesn't come up
stone rune
it's really not that bad
winged valve
okay, may as well try I suppose
winged valve
my builds probably won't be that decent 😛
probably be targetting aphrodie cast, exit wounds
winged valve
i guess the big advantage with hera is that you do all your damage almost in one shot and then if you want you can mostly run away if you want
stone rune
with braid and stone and a lvl5 rare cast and no other additive you'll be taking like 4 volleys
winged valve
what's stone
stone rune
prometheus stone from well or grasp from chaos
winged valve
braid is a shop item right? I mean, again, this is assuming I'd actually get it
stone rune
well you can also probably scrounge up 50% additive from somewhere
stone rune
yea exactly
you can use priv status on hera if you want
by forcing demeter in aspho
snow burst or frost strike
winged valve
so I guess pom'ing the crap out of your cast is kinda important here
stone rune
yea
you want high level
crush shot has crazy scaling
also use hourglass
charon keepsake
in elysium
winged valve
snowburst triggers around you or around the impact
winged valve
oh, that's interesting
stone rune
but charon has a lot of useful stuff to extend duration of
winged valve
isn't it better to get artemis in aspho to try to get exit wounds
winged valve
why's that? it seems like it adds a good amount of damage
stone rune
only matters in boss fights
stone rune
and the damage isnt really that good
royal warren
Funny situation, I'm in Elysium shop sitting at staggering 1603 gold, because I had a Chaos buff and most Elysium chambers gave gold. Might die on the boss. Nothing to buy here and no healing either.
stone rune
snow burst is better for the aoe
winged valve
hmm okay
so bsaically, force aphrodite first, then demeter. Go for the item extension keepsake for elysium (and styx?)
stone rune
no
royal warren
Game kept pushing Ares on me in Elysium and I kept refusing >_>
stone rune
acorn or something for styx
winged valve
ok, that was my next guess
stone rune
assuming you still need protection against dad
stone rune
but dont equip acorn until checking the well
the duration stays after you switch off acorn so long as you bought the items with it on
switch off hourglass i mean
winged valve
ahhhhhh
damn
neat little hack
thanks
and do chaos whenever it's offered right?
I haven't really used chaos boons much until now
stone rune
yes
grasps and shots are your goal
you can take basically no matter the curse
if you get -hp on atk or cast just play it safe for a few rooms
winged valve
gotcha. For darkness, should I keep dumping 250 into the duo/legendary chance buff each time I get it.
or just ignore that and start saving for persuasions
stone rune
get persuasion and also god's pride is better
winged valve
the rarity one?
winged valve
so confusing, I did a bunch of googling and I feel like everyone has opposite opinions about everything 😅
stone rune
if you're reading anything off reddit stop
winged valve
for hera, or just in general?
winged valve
what's the reasoning though? Like, some duo's are just insane
stone rune
because there are no duos at all that you want bar mirage shot
but rarity is huge
epic shot from chaos
twin thistle
most builds want pride. its easy enough to get the duos you want with game knowledge and rerolls
winged valve
I think half of my escapes so far are with sea storm
twin thistle
unless its like beo where mirage shot is just stupid broken
winged valve
I don't have reroll yet. but fair enough, maybe I should just prioritize reroll over rarity/duo anyway
stone rune
and even then i run pride
winged valve
good points. Yeah, the value of duo's really varies so much it's crazy. Some of them are like, "this is your build" and others are very weak
stone rune
most are pretty bad
freezing vortex
parting shot
all the beam duos
curse of longing
etc etc etcf
winged valve
demeter beam?
stone rune
unshakable mettle
stone rune
demeter beam?
yea
winged valve
I love demeter/artemis 😛
winged valve
for me it was decent dps, and really safe dps
stone rune
would rather have hunting blades
winged valve
the beams killed hades while I hid behind a pillar
the advantage is the beams last longer so you don't need to stop hiding as often 😛
but yeah I want to try hunting blades
winged valve
I've gone for it a couple times though and it's just a pain
winged valve
nice
Just realized I've already had 5 aspects unlocked for a while
And Achilles still didn't give me the dialogue to unlock the spear
formal citrus
what really makes it easy is just killing dad
How do we not have a hypnos react yet
Crystal clarity and parting shot have benefited me immensely at times
stone rune
yeah but most of the time they're useless
i got parting shot all the time when i was playing hestia with aph attack and ddash
winged valve
So on hera the special is basically useless right
formal citrus
It was useful when I was playing with damage control
stone rune
So on hera the special is basically useless right
yes
formal citrus
And when I wasn't as good to tag large crowds with doom
stone rune
the trick is to not use damage control
formal citrus
Hypnos react
stiff obsidian
Gonna be able to buy a titan blood for the hell of it.
i bought out styx shop and had 500 left
stone rune
you can use the special point blank against the giant stone miniboss in tart
after meg and volley
if you didnt have instakill damage
it should clean it up
stone rune
it's like
formal citrus
Damage control making you have a wider arsenal is fun
formal citrus
Ah
stone rune
not viable against anything else because the spread is massive
formal citrus
The others will.kill you, but the aspho crystal and stone
stone rune
any other boss you're just gonna get smacked
or you'll just have the damage
with crush shot and a single pom you already instakill a bomber
formal citrus
Barge of death maybe
stone rune
or even lvl1 actually
formal citrus
Which you maybe haven't seen in a few hundred runs
stone rune
Barge of death maybe
by that point you have enough cast damage
you have 3 or 4 poms in and possibly rd
and also there are a lot of enemies on it
formal citrus
Lol, I'm starting to think there might be more than one situation it's useful if the set you were looking at is only levelled crush shot builds
stone rune
whaat else is there
you also will have the damage on trippy
given you have to have deadly strike
well
i guess deadly flourish and tdash
but hdash doesnt open mirage
and tempest strike is god awful
winged valve
obviously I couldn't have a smooth start on hera 😛
didn't get crush shot as a choice and haven't been offered aphrodite again
stone rune
gg
phalanx also works
less damage and can go flying
but it's still pretty decent
and also if you have parting shot will always backstab
winged valve
i was offered phalanx, turned it down, hopefully I get aphrodite soon I guess
next time I'll take phalanx if offered
stone rune
because the hitbox is massive
so when it spawns in the enemy it's already touching their back
or something
winged valve
that's nice
the thing is it feels like you'd prefer for the bloodstone to stay still after impact no
otherwise you might have to go across the map to get it
winged valve
Ah, okay
stone rune
but if you miss it can do tht
winged valve
gotcha
I guess a hug edownside though is that in a boss fight, you'll have really good weak coverage with aphrodite
winged valve
what's good for primary attack, ares?
stiff obsidian
i have trouble aiming with the bow
winged valve
really?
stone rune
not nearly as much as just having a % will
assuming you get a not useless hammer
on hera the best hammer is flurry shot
triple shot is also good
twin is pretty good for attack dps
point blank and perfect are also ok
having good attack hammers prevents your dps from dropping to 0 while your cast is lodged against bosses
and that is all nullified by having ares attack
winged valve
I'm confused how ares nullifies it. I do agree if you get some of these hammers it makes ares worse, though that's an if
stone rune
well
all of these increase attack damage
some of them (triple twin and kinda flurry) increase base
the best ones
winged valve
i will say that since artemis is a multiplicative boost, if you have a good amount of +% from elsewhere you're right that artemis is probably better
stone rune
you're wasting a slot that could have a high % or an arty on something that opens an unnecessary duo and gives you no real value
winged valve
for something like point blank though, it doesn't really affect the comparison between hades and any god that's not artemis
yeah, the crappy duo is a good point
pastel monolith
ares better for special on bow.. just throw it out there randomly hit some guys with it.. but a good % increase is always better on bow attack
winged valve
that's the part I don't get. Like, if you don't have a hammer, then it's adding like 40 damage to each hit iirc at the base level, which is around 80% of a dash powershot
stone rune
it is not to each hit
winged valve
Trying to think about how fast the bow fires. Is it hat much faster than ares procs?
winged valve
hmm yeah you're probably right then
pastel monolith
always be dash strikin
with bow
it charges like 50% faster and its only like 10 less base damage or something
or maybe its a percentage less.. im not sure .. all i know is its faster snd its worth it
unless ur safe or maybe when u time a regular attack on a spawning enemy
winged valve
yeah I do always dash strike
also once you lock in the timing for one
it's a bit annoying to do the other. for me at least.
it's just annoying in some e.g. styx rooms, sometimes the best places is to fire without moving, legitimately
stone rune
use dash iframes
pastel monolith
yeah , i think its why most new players dont like bow at first
stone rune
dash up dash down and do a dash strike with second attack
winged valve
I like bow okay, the problem is after you unlock hestia
the base bow aspect is a bit of a joke
stiff obsidian
i miss 30-40% of my bow shots
winged valve
so I really needed to start using an aspect
stone rune
zagbow is pretty good
pastel monolith
it can be very very good
winged valve
right hammers and so on?
stone rune
bow is just really hammer dependent
pastel monolith
its how I got my first ever 32 heat.. artmeis attack and flurry shot
winged valve
without hammers, hestia and the base bow play a lot alike. You dash and shoot, dash and shoot.
Except hestia has triple base damage and a special that's usable.
pastel monolith
hestia is extremely good but its boring
stone rune
hestia does happen to be the 4th or 5th best aspect in the game
idk it’s one of the more engaging aspects
very high apm
winged valve
I like hestia but I can see why some people don't
it seems a bit love it or hate it
it's wildly satisfying how much you one shot, for me
stone rune
but you gotta keep the rhythm
pastel monolith
what do u put higher tha hestia? all thr bows? and eris?
winged valve
Yeah, with hestia, after remapping, I just always hit reload+dodge together
stone rune
beo hera achilles and eris
twin thistle
hera and achilles are kinda for high heat
pastel monolith
with achiles i never actualy attack with special just spam it real quick and then do casts or attacks
stone rune
achilles not so bad
winged valve
if you're already doing the special may as well dash behind them and try to get a backstab in, no
stone rune
50 achilles didn’t take too long
i still haven’t done dem though and i’ve put like 30 more attempts into it
pastel monolith
i think im stilll at 32 mayyyve 33 with achilies
im going up one at a time on each aspect now lol 32 on each was enough of a challenge for me
i am still getting better tho
stone rune
the key with achilles is to do the funniest pact you can think of
pastel monolith
its satisfyign
winged valve
i'm looking forward to beo for sure. If it's that good at speedrunning, and it's a shield, that's just awesome
twin thistle
i found dem/zag fists a lot easier but prob half due to stupid dio call luck
pastel monolith
playing a new file helped a lot too.. i forgot how to actualy fight minibosses instead of just nuke them with meg lol
winged valve
shields IMHO give huge benefit for getting through the game
stone rune
i found dem/zag fists a lot easier but prob half due to stupid dio call luck
i got some pretty cracked rng on achilles
formal citrus
so when it spawns in the enemy it's already touching their back
Backstab is confusing lol
stone rune
the fo1 was so gaming
pastel monolith
shields IMHO give huge benefit for getting through the game
shield ares special was my first clear
just ran away and spammed special
winged valve
shield ares special was my first clear
zeus shield, zeus special was mine
formal citrus
Trying to think about how fast the bow fires. Is it hat much faster than ares pr...
This probably actually depends on your play style.
stone rune
how
you shoot bow
there's space for like 2 and a half power shots in the time ares procs
formal citrus
Not if you're just dashing away to safety
stiff obsidian
whats best companion
stone rune
meg
formal citrus
It's not optimal or fast play, but it can be easier.
stiff obsidian
by how much
pastel monolith
lmeg for sure yeah.. its reliable and fast a d good damage
pastel monolith
i dont think ive used most other companions more than like twice loo
formal citrus
just ran away and spammed special
Yeah, that was the first build I found reliable.
stiff obsidian
also can it miss, i think ive gotten it to miss a few times
pastel monolith
i liked bouldy when i was farming darkness for the rankings
formal citrus
i liked bouldy when i was farming darkness for the rankings
Bouldy when I wasn't on TD or LC was nice
stone rune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8 most of this is still up to date
pastel monolith
meg u can practice how to do each miniboss consistently and it just basically skips them
spring rain
Hello guys
pastel monolith
meg takes out the miniboss armor then u just go nuts on em and the fight is over in 5 seconds
spring rain
Hello guys
I swear to god that was not a joke I'm sorry
stiff obsidian
i hate that room i think everyone else does as well
winged valve
I read a few posts online about how zeus shield is good (not for speed), spent one of my first titan bloods on it, and yeah, it's just awesome.
Like, all your damage is so safe. Shield throws and bull rushes leave almost no opening for enemies, and even normal attack spam has a lot of push back.
stone rune
for meg on witches just go to that corner of that island, click the closest witch, and meg when the 4th comes on screen
wait
formal citrus
i hate that room i think everyone else does as well
Try it with Athena Lucifer balls
twin thistle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/915148576366166026/Hades_11_29_2021_11_52_35_PM_-_Copy.png actually maybe achilles better than fists what in the scuff was this
stiff obsidian
stone rune
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/915148576366166026/H...
what da hail
pastel monolith
i love zeus shield .. takes getting used to but its super good for enemies tbst dont move much.. or when u can get it to chase u
that*
stone rune
also nice pact
formal citrus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/915148576366166026/H...
Wait what's up with the timer discrepancy
stone rune
no discrepancy
pastel monolith
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/915148576366166026/H...
nicely done!
stiff obsidian
https://youtu.be/TNzQIlU-ZtI?t=413
thanks
twin thistle
timed out in heroes i think
formal citrus
no discrepancy
20:29+0:15 seems like more than 20:00
stone rune
20:29+0:15 seems like more than 20:00
when you time out in a non styxdad biome it tacks 5 min on
in the next one
pastel monolith
if you have a chaos curse going into styx does it just immediately go away? i swear that happened to me.. i bought a chaos gate where the chambers are hidden just before the heros fight and it was gone in styx
i was hoping to see mysetety styx tunnels
stone rune
no
pastel monolith
maybe i was wrong maybe it just ran its course
stone rune
enshrouded goes away during interbiome
winged valve
i love zeus shield .. takes getting used to but its super good for enemies tbst ...
the best is when you also get the hammer that gives bullrush a "power" shot, with like a 400% damage bonus or something crazy
stone rune
they added an extra one
winged valve
And you get all the zeus boons piled up as well
winged valve
then you have two crazy damage sources where you basically cannot be hurt
why is it not that good? It worked great for me.
pastel monolith
best thing for shield is just start over till u get the piercing charge shot hammer lol.. that thing is so good
stone rune
well
there are better options
it takes a while to do and in that time you could be in a sdituation where you dont wanna rush
pastel monolith
ya i gotta stop using phrases like best thing bc its just my opinion and i dont rly know
winged valve
because with explosive you want to throw and catch a lot
stone rune
yea thats how you play
winged valve
and with zeus you often don't catch that much
stone rune
it's quite literally the best zeus hammer for high heat
pastel monolith
explosive return on zeus? sounds bad
stone rune
it's not
winged valve
that's weird I guess. Often I have the shield chase me, or have the shield go one way while I go another
stone rune
you throw it out and catch it
winged valve
i.e. a lot of tactics where I'm not catching that often
stone rune
that's weird I guess. Often I have the shield chase me, or have the shield go on...
you play next to it
pastel monolith
makes sense
formal citrus
if you have a chaos curse going into styx does it just immediately go away? i...
Each little room is an encounter in the styx so chaos can burn fast. Not fast enough when you have bombs in a rat room, mind you.
stone rune
pastel monolith
is rama the best aspect for high heat?
formal citrus
Rama is up there though
stone rune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Pu-t7mxNM
demonstrates explosive return gameplay
formal citrus
Modded
twin thistle
rama is good but cant deal with ri3-4 well
stone rune
rama is like the second best
twin thistle
64 heat unmodded unseeded!?!?!?
modded
stone rune
but you cant do past 60
stone rune
because monodash em4 with rama
twin thistle
unmodded 64 heat would be the most thing in existence
pastel monolith
im outdoors theres a lot of glare on my screen
formal citrus
rama is good but cant deal with ri3-4 well
Why is that?
twin thistle
just reset for greatest reflex frfr
stone rune
Why is that?
monodash
formal citrus
Just can't not take damage?
formal citrus
At low and high levels lol
stone rune
you can see in the video though she throws out the shield and then runs away for a bit and then recalls and bullrushes into it
twin thistle
if you dont get explosive return then you dont recall as often though I always forget and play like I have it
pastel monolith
thats genius
winged valve
rama is good but cant deal with ri3-4 well
sorry what's ri?
yeah, the video is crazy
twin thistle
routine inspections aka byebye mirror
winged valve
thanks for posting
pastel monolith
routine inspection.. cancels bottom of ur mirror
winged valve
ah gotcha
stone rune
routine inspection.. cancels bottom of ur mirror
cancels all of ur mirror
twin thistle
routine inspection.. cancels bottom of ur mirror
up to the top
pastel monolith
so u get fewer boons and u cant do rolls
stone rune
it goes up to lvl4
winged valve
yeah, I think for me at least and probably a lot of gamers, like, I didn't even try blocking boss heavy attacks
with the shields
because games never let you do that
then I read you can block everything
winged valve
yeah
there's also a ton of stuff that like, yeah, in theory it's not that hard to dash past it, but you're still human, you make mistakes
twin thistle
well funny thing is em4 dad can throw spears and skulls through your block if he gets close enough
winged valve
I take damage all the time from the green waves against dad
with block there's so many attacks that like it reduces the likelihood of an error to almost zero
pastel monolith
took me forever to realoze sometimes dads shockwave move thing is sometimes almost invisible
winged valve
it is?
hah
I have a lot of work to do on that fight still, I take damage like crazy
pastel monolith
ya theres a version of it where u can barely see it
twin thistle
I think theres an actual bug where it can sometimes be invisible
stone rune
I have a lot of work to do on that fight still, I take damage like crazy
bell curve
winged valve
are you saying the amount of damage you take in a fight is distributed like a bell curve, or something else
pastel monolith
my main advice for the dad fight is learn to time the dash for his spin move.. once u get good at that. u can dash behind him when he does it and hes always open for a few seconds after it
winged valve
yeah, I've gotten better at the spin move
although usually my goal is still to be out of the circle
rather than dash through it
there's still plenty of time to dash and hit him afterwards
pastel monolith
ya thats the safer option.. even that's not always easy.. the range on tbat move is huge
winged valve
yeah, that's what I struggled with
but the white outline makes an enormous difference
stone rune
pastel monolith
lol
winged valve
this is "amount of damage taken" I guess?
winged valve
(it's not a bell curve fwiw 😛 )
pastel monolith
its like 2 bell curve
stone rune
and then i realised there are people who keep hc for entire fight
winged valve
You don't count as a "very experienced speedrunner"
stone rune
hell no
winged valve
good lord
stone rune
im pretty ass in terms of speedrunners
winged valve
you have a 64 heat clear
pastel monolith
whats hc
twin thistle
thats not jazz
winged valve
do I? That doesn't seem apology worthy
stone rune
for the thought of comparing someone like me
pastel monolith
high confidence
winged valve
The name on the vid is "Jade" so it was a bit similar to jazz
stone rune
do I? That doesn't seem apology worthy
joke
winged valve
fair
winged valve
is zeus shield the most common for ultra high heat clears
winged valve
makes sense
winged valve
I found a post by this guy on reddit, that you probably won't like ( 😛 ) where he tries to build a model and rank weapons/aspects by that
winged valve
Of course some people inevitably thought it was terrible but I thought it was pretty interesting
formal citrus
Go through Jade's videos, there are a lot of aspect WRs there apparently
stone rune
yeah she's basically the best heat player rn
twin thistle
reddit 
winged valve
well, beo is still a shield in the end right so you get the blocking goodness
formal citrus
Or dc
stone rune
and dc is annoying
twin thistle
mysterra tho
stone rune
you can do it
winged valve
right because of the cast dependency I guess
stone rune
it's just not fun
formal citrus
support fire?
stone rune
past 55 i believe is said to be a miserable grind
stone rune
support fire?
no you just have to shoot the entire volley into them
formal citrus
?
stone rune
bull rush and the first cast strip dc
formal citrus
Volley?
stone rune
volley is 3 casts
twin thistle
all your casts
formal citrus
Ah
twin thistle
snow burst helps alot
formal citrus
True
formal citrus
None of this support fire ruptured stuff I was thinking
stone rune
are you thinking flood flare
formal citrus
Or tdash
stone rune
thats just too many boons
you're not getting all those
it's hard enough to get poms
twin thistle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/911129383203405854/unknown.png dont you like bronze skin poms?
stone rune
gg pact
gusty swift
...Man, you ever just get an amazing build and you're certain you'll never see it again?
https://clips.twitch.tv/FrailAmazonianQuailTBTacoRight Trippy Flare with Beowulf and a ton of poms on the Flare before first boss. Oh my god the damage.
winged valve
I found a use for special on zag/hera bow
athena
it's actually pretty great for that
stone rune
better on dash
winged valve
idk, depends which fight. vs the witches, special was a lot better than dash
winged valve
more importantly though, dash can also have a lot of really useful boons
winged valve
I'm not going to be able to kill 5 armored witches in 2 seconds, and after that the screen is already full of projectiles
winged valve
maybe you can. I cannot.
winged valve
I had a level 3 crush shot or something and with 3 stones it didn't one shot them
no
winged valve
anyhow, just saying. The dash, there's a lot of good competing boons, so I'm not rushing to put athena there necessarily.
For the special, the delivery sucks for most purposes, so I don't get much value
it's perfect for deflecting though
pastel monolith
athena and poseidan are the only good dashes rly
stone rune
hunter dash
pastel monolith
maybe ares with fists
stone rune
blade dash is also ok
pastel monolith
oh ya of course artemis ♡♡
artemis everything is good
shes best god in the game overall id say
stone rune
zeus and poseidon
pastel monolith
ya once u get all the boons
winged valve
yeah, so there's a few good dashes when you add it all up
pastel monolith
ya ur right
pastel monolith
just not demeter or aphro.. also dios kinda stinks
winged valve
I kinda like poseidon a lot tbh. I feel like out of any god, it's a lot more rare that I desperately don't want a primary poseidon boon
stone rune
well
winged valve
it's a big damage buff and knockback at each spot
stone rune
poseidon cores are actually kinda ass
the attack and special
poseidon attack is 100% the worst in the game with no contest
pastel monolith
pos special can be good
pastel monolith
poseidon attack is 100% the worst in the game with no contest
but that super soaker tho
winged valve
are all at least very solid
pastel monolith
super soaker is always fun.. not exactly practical for anything above 25 heat but.. its a whole vibe and i love it
winged valve
like, on zeus shield, on railgun, on poseidon sword, poseidon special is pretty good
latent moon
Def not for Zeus shield
winged valve
i had a funny run where I failed to get zeus special on zeus shield, ended up with poseidon special, was annoyed, but once I got sea storm it was actually better
pastel monolith
if u get a good super soaker build goin.. and u get to fight tiny vermin... omg its glorious
stone rune
the push is complete utter garbo on zeus special
it ensures you get no more than a few hitw
latent moon
i had a funny run where I failed to get zeus special on zeus shield, ended up wi...
That's just budget Zeus special
winged valve
it locked enemies down a lot though
a lot of the more dangerous enemies just couldn't come close to me
latent moon
it locked enemies down a lot though
That's the lightning doing the work not the % or knock back
pastel monolith
i generaly dont like any knockback..
latent moon
Sea storm worked there because it was just thunder flourish with extra steps
winged valve
i don't think it was just the lightning, I played with both
if they don't have armor, sure, lightning alone will lock down
pastel monolith
maybe posiedan clockets with aall the extra poseidan boons would b ridiculous
latent moon
Yeah pos special on rail isn't the worst thing
stone rune
yeah it's just annoying
winged valve
i agree there's a lot of bad dashes though. I had a run with mistral recently, and yeah, it's just not very good.
artemis dash should be very good in principle, I just find that sometimes you really feel the lack of any direct damage on your dash, you don't get any stun on enemies or any projectiles destroyed at all as you dash through stuff
pastel monolith
even the small amount of damage most dashes do is decent for damage control heat
royal widget
artemis dash should be very good in principle, I just find that sometimes you re...
it's good on rama
and hestia if you're silly enough to not use tidal
winged valve
yeah, so on hestia I considered it. Like, it's leaning into hestia's strength, instead of trying to cover a weakness
but it's hard to justify when, e.g. things like styx exist
You'll be fighting in tiny rooms without space, quite often
so if you can't always space enemies and snipe, it's better to try to cover your weakness, IMHO.
royal widget
well you have empowered shot for big guys and regular bullets for rats
winged valve
yeah, for sure. I'm just saying with hestia you'd definitely prefer to fight in a bigger room and just space everything out
use your attack from max range
stone rune
can always get flood shot
winged valve
i like flood shot a lot because it does double duty
it's a good aoe, and it lodges for the damage bonus
zeue is good aoe but it can be annoying getting it lodged in the boss in some cases
winged valve
yeah
stone rune
winged valve
but like I said, can be more annoying to get lodged in a boss, so there's a trade-off there
stone rune
you press rmb
winged valve
knockback can also be nice if you're playing with a ranged weapon
I mean that sometimes if there's an add there, it doesn't lodge in the boss
because it chains
and sometimes you don't even know where it is immediately
flood is a lot more predictable
spring rain
remember that episode of adventure time where finn gets addicted to roguelike
winged valve
Is there some known issue where the discussion with Achilles to unlock hidden aspects gets massively delayed or something
I realized I've actually had 5 aspects unlocked for ages and I always talk to Achilles and never get the dialogue
winged valve
They are
Poseidon, Zeus, Achilles, Talos, hestia
Had those for multiple runs
And now also hera
Lol Achilles literally just offered me the dialogue
mint coral
Complaining always works
stone rune
the attrition tactics i see
modern yarrow
Lucifer+Poseidon+triple beam hammer
I really like the super soaker build
Poseidon attack and sea Storm
Hopefully infinite ammo hammer
It’s not the best, but man is it fun
stone rune
and way more hp
instaphasing alecto or meg is just lvl4 or 5 cast with maybe 40-50 of additive and possibly a stone
instaphasing tis is like that mirage, lvl4 cast, and a stone or some good additive
formal citrus
Why do I find tis the easiest?
latent moon
Easy doesn't equate to fast sometimes lmao
ionic hemlock
Tis has a lot of attacks where she stands still
So stuff like cluster and hazard are great if you get it quick
latent moon
Unarmored witches or numbskulls in tatatrus are easy but they take forever because amount of waves and trickle spawns
latent moon
Tdash helps with that
ionic hemlock
Oh yeah I guess so
I usually don’t see Poseidon though
And when I do I usually take the other option
stone rune
you start poseidon
stone rune
yes on hestia
ionic hemlock
it lets me one hit most unarnored enemies