but with a block during charge
#h1-discussion
uneven cloak
formal citrus
Yeye
stone rune
Because it charges up faster?
less delay and more range
more mobility
you can shoot two guys across the arena with hera with not much issue
formal citrus
I'm somehow much worse with cshot than with hera
stone rune
especially with 4 stones
stone rune
I'm somehow much worse with cshot than with hera
just takes practice
formal citrus
Yeye
stone rune
and also controller hera is way easier
kbm hera is so hard
every single hera pb i have features at least one struggle to hit a pest
formal citrus
Controller is nice
Though I often turn to run away before I fire and have to go chase down stones. So not the best lol
crystal star
What is the difference between upgrading rarity or level for boons
upbeat walrus
every single hera pb i have features at least one struggle to hit a pest
same
carmine cloak
Ah ok because his little heart has been locked for a very long time. However the Than thing might make sense. Every time he's in the house he tends to be preoccupied by something else.
white path
Huh
I didn't know it was possible to be given a pom when I have no pommable boons
stone rune
did u get spare welath
upbeat walrus
wdym @brisk trail
brisk trail
I mean
upbeat walrus
Huh
I didn't know it was possible to be given a pom when I have no pommable boon...
yea you get one. it just gives you gold
stone rune
Demeter build?
aspect?
stone rune
ares attack
brisk trail
I should've said that
upbeat walrus
force merciful end
upbeat walrus
yep
upbeat walrus
that boon is busted ^
stone rune
greatest reflex or hyper sprint+rush delivery from hermes
brisk trail
What about hammers?
upbeat walrus
yea tho all you actually need to be strong is merciful end + divine dash. but you need divine flourish and curse of agony for it
brisk trail
Alright, thanks
upbeat walrus
good luck, let us know how it goes ^_^
brisk trail
good luck, let us know how it goes ^_^
Thanks! 🫶
obsidian linden
Hello, I'm back
stone rune
hi
obsidian linden
I was here for a few week
stone rune
i recall
upbeat walrus
yes
stone rune
yea
upbeat walrus
@stone rune what is hades monthly challenge role?
sounds like something I’d be interested in
obsidian linden
I'm in hard mode now
stone rune
something that doesnt happen anymore
stone rune
dont use it
obsidian linden
Is THAT powerfull ?!?
stone rune
yea
it's rlly bad
one of the worst pacts
like difficutly
each level removes something crucial
upbeat walrus
i did ri1 for hestia and ri2 for achilles
that’s fair
obsidian linden
Well, I have a profecie to fufill
upbeat walrus
what build do you use for achilles. hunting blades?
upbeat walrus
idk #am
man*
I’ve never pushed achilles past like 10
I want to do 20 Heat all aspects tho
obsidian linden
Also, internet said that Beowulf is brroooocken
obsidian linden
But I don't know how to use it
stone rune
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1109684575082401922/image.png?width=1246&height=701 this was my build
obsidian linden
And it's also on my profecy lkst
stone rune
Also, internet said that Beowulf is brroooocken
yea its the best aspect
upbeat walrus
aphro cast or flood flare + mirage shot
and just shred everything
bind cast to either right click or RT
upbeat walrus
I prefere Zeus Shield +... Zeus
this is strong beo is like ridiculous
and you don’t need anything crazy either. Zeus Shield + Zeus is fun but much slower and you need Zeus legendary for it to be crazy
obsidian linden
No, it's crazy before
It's just ridicule with legendary
Beowulf look powerfull... But with akward frame data
upbeat walrus
it’s something you have to get used to a little bit but I promise beo is absolutely stupid
especially with mirage shot
white path
I don't have ||thanatos's companion|| solely because I forgot that ||he has a spot off to the side where he shows up so I didn't see him!||
:(
obsidian linden
Mirage shot ?
upbeat walrus
I don't have ||thanatos's companion|| solely because I forgot that ||he has a sp...
use Meg’s companion. it’s much better esp if you learn some rooms
upbeat walrus
Mirage shot ?
it’s the Poseidon + Artemis duo that makes a second cast that does 30% damage show up
upbeat walrus
but for Beowulf it it’s bugged to do 100% so it just doubles damage
upbeat walrus
Poseidon don't suck anymore
yea and Poseidon cast was already good without that on beo because the flare is so big
so it becomes the biggest cast and does double damage
but honestly Aphrodite’s cast without mirage shot does enough anyways
crystal star
What is the difference between upgrading rarity compared to level for boons
obsidian linden
yea and Poseidon cast was already good without that on beo because the flare is ...
At least the caste is good, I can admit that
obsidian linden
But sending foe away seem counter-productive most of the time
stone rune
Poseidon don't suck anymore
tidal dash is the best dash in teh game
stone rune
But sending foe away seem counter-productive most of the time
on beo it doesn't do that
upbeat walrus
But sending foe away seem counter-productive most of the time
I agree posei attack and special kinda suck
usually
but yea tidal dash is amazing
pastel monolith
What is the difference between upgrading rarity compared to level for boons
rarity is typicaly more significant.. and boon level is only really good for the first like 2 levels and then the upgrades drop off substantialy with each level
with some exceptions like casts usualy are worth it to just keep levelong.. or things that go up by 1 every time like hangover or pressure points
upbeat walrus
I like Athena better but I’m coming around to it
obsidian linden
on beo it doesn't do that
Unless you're playing twin fist
stone rune
Unless you're playing twin fist
no on beo the flood flare doesnt knock enemies away
upbeat walrus
beo with literally only aphro cast highly leveled and a decent attack and call is the easiest 32 Heat imo
obsidian linden
Sorry, wrong ping
upbeat walrus
to be fair it’s the only one I’ve tried much to pull off
obsidian linden
Let me do it again
obsidian linden
tidal dash is the best dash in teh game
Unless you're playing twin fist
stone rune
Unless you're playing twin fist
i do splash start fists
pastel monolith
my favorite beo cast is dionysus bc of how broken it is.. poseidan is also very good especially ifnu get mirage shot
stone rune
upbeat walrus
dio is good in general but it’s not nearly as much DPS on beo
upbeat walrus
Dio cast is good if you’re not focused on it
stone rune
if you get the bui;d
pastel monolith
dio cast is insane big chunky damage on beo
obsidian linden
I need a list of god
stone rune
it's just a lot harder to get the build
because you need extra stones
and mirage still
upbeat walrus
yea, with Hermes stuff yea?
obsidian linden
Who are good, who are bad
stone rune
except demeter
pastel monolith
poms do double whqt they say and i think mirage shot gives double damage too but that might be same for all beo.. i forget.. i know one of the bugs is exclusive to dio
obsidian linden
In every ways
stone rune
best gods are zeus aphrodite artemis and poseidon
upbeat walrus
crystal cast moment
stone rune
crystal cast moment
literally useless
other gods can be good
but require specific building
upbeat walrus
I won’t hear it it’s op
stone rune
like ares can be good wiht hunting blades
or merciful end
but without he sucks
demeter sucks other than for snow burst or rav will
upbeat walrus
fair enough
obsidian linden
I feel like the game try to prevent Aphrodite to give you epic attack and special
pastel monolith
demeter sucks other than for snow burst or rav will
also crop!!! 🤣
upbeat walrus
Demeter is probably worst god but crystal beam is so funny
i LOVE rare crop
even tho it’s not great
stone rune
I feel like the game try to prevent Aphrodite to give you epic attack and specia...
have u tried getting them anyways
sincerely, hypnos
upbeat walrus
that one time when it’s great is great
pastel monolith
ya nothin like a super crazy beam build.. stgian cast.. and level 10 glacial glare.. mirage shot.. and an extra cast or 2 from chaos and wells
forever beams
obsidian linden
Demeter is probably worst god but crystal beam is so funny
What ?
She look broken !
pastel monolith
i think demeter might be the worst god too.. but dio is second
stone rune
dio kinda sucks but hangover is great for heat
obsidian linden
And Dyonosis look outclass
pastel monolith
ya dio is great but so many dud boons and gotta be careful not having multiple hangovers etc
obsidian linden
Oh, I was right on this one
pastel monolith
demeter with legendary is fun
obsidian linden
Not sûre about that
pastel monolith
especially on bosses when they die early its so satisfying
obsidian linden
This is a game of domination
pastel monolith
i started a new file so i could try to focus on tbe story for once.. its so boring climbing the heat with each weapon lol
pastel monolith
i like your style
pastel monolith
the only save your ass boon i typicaly go for is athena dash or maybe her legendary
stone rune
demeter lego kinda useless
pastel monolith
other than that i just focus on damage
demeter legendary is so rare for some reason also u meed something thsta gona always chill them
upbeat walrus
my favorite boon in the game might just be merciful end
pastel monolith
but when it works, it works nicely
upbeat walrus
The playstyle is so ridiculous when you get it
pastel monolith
ya merciful end is extremely OP with the right builds
obsidian linden
Ares is good now
pastel monolith
id say merciful end is probably the highest dps build innthe game but idk
obsidian linden
Except for the fact that building it take age
stone rune
id say merciful end is probably the highest dps build innthe game but idk
def not
it's just beo
pastel monolith
ya u can get like 10000 damage in one hit lol
obsidian linden
What I just read !!!
upbeat walrus
If you have that build and a lucky chaos run that’s it
stone rune
yes
pastel monolith
i think thanatos summon can be boosted by rush delivery or something.. ive seen someone do ridiculous damage with it once
pastel monolith
ahh
that must be it then
i just remember i think haelian got the highest single damage number ive ever seen
i forget how high it was but if i remember rigbt it pretty much one shotted phase 3 em4
but i probably am misremembering the details
upbeat walrus
I guess in theory crush shot + mirage shot + art legendary
- rush delivery
is absolutely stupid
upbeat walrus
arty legendary doesn't exist
for sheer big number it should
stone rune
yeah but you're not getting it
grand osprey
yeah but you're not getting it
can confirm, it's so hard to get
formal citrus
beams are the easiest way to do em4 I've found
pastel monolith
crystal clarity beams or hunting blades are insane if u can get the build right
cast builds are rly fun
another great one is snow burst and aphro cast with priv status.. but i find myself getting hit a lot when i try to do that
zeus cast with flurry hermes cast is always fun
native forum
does chaos' ability attack boost increase the doom effect on the attack or is it only the basic attack I do that is boosted?
drifting panther
Sooo... weird question but why can I only defeat {redacted} with a spear? I can't even get past Asphodel with any other weapons
twin thistle
think we need more details than that
grand osprey
Use the other weapons more, if you use one weapon almost exclusively you're gonna be much better with it than the rest
Even more so if you max it out, I played exclusively Chiron bow for a while because I maxed it out almost immediately and everything else felt weaker in comparison
drifting panther
I’ve been cycling through whatever glows purple to try and max out anything in the mirror, but I’ve noticed I’m only good with the spear. I have always done the cycle thing
Maybe it’s just because it is closer to what I’m used to using in other games?
formal citrus
Are you using both the special and attack a lot?
still python
it's just beo
what is it not clockets
stone rune
no
still python
angry
drifting panther
I’m using everything I can. Spear just keeps me far away from enemies so I take less damage. Getting the triple jab also helps a ton. I think after I finish this escape attempt with the sword Im gonna try either the bow or the gun
dire tendon
does cluster bomb lock out triple bomb
stone rune
yea
mint coral
Yes
dire tendon
damn
formal citrus
Lol
formal citrus
One of the more understandable lock outs
still python
did you know that hestia is the best aspect in the game
yeah i did actually
formal citrus
I did not
stone rune
i mean
so basically
hazard bomb has the highest base damage in the entire game right
and hazard bomb is best on hestia
so basically
hestia is best
dire tendon
hazard bomb has the highest base damage in the entire game right
mfw level 300 divine dash
stone rune
🗿
grand osprey
I love hazard bomb
I want to press one button and nuke the entire room
stone rune
grand osprey
Who cares if I'm in the same room
Also, that shouldn't have hit him lmao
At least it felt like it
twin thistle
nope
drifting panther
I somehow managed to beat the final boss with the sword, so I think I’m getting better
fair basalt
I'm hades
crystal star
Im batman
pastel monolith
im poppy
lapis harbor
Guan Yu is bad, right?
stone rune
no
where do u get that conception
there arent very many bad aspects
there are the 4 f tiers
chiron gilga chaos arthur
there are some other stinky ones but nothing on that level
stuff like talos
stone rune
well
both of those have some of the lowest dps in the game
like im not saying to stop playing them or anything
just thats what they are
obsidian linden
Merciful end ?
stone rune
yea
ares attack
athena special and dash
preferably impending doom
hopefully either hyper sprint + rush delivery or greatest reflex from hermes
pom ares attack and impending doom a lot
ez damage
obsidian linden
Ok
Because I try to use twin fist + lambant plume but it's hard to have the dps to actually use that
But first, I need to get that routine inspection done
Even if I kind of cheated everything else
I use my free pass of the 10th defeat of Hades to get the mirror done and every other pact of punishement
Even more crazy, it only ask me 2 attempte !!!
stone rune
do u have hestia
stone rune
what level is it
twin thistle
Because I try to use twin fist + lambant plume but it's hard to have the dps to ...
plume is kinda a meme dodge run kinda of thing usually you want to start with god keepsakes so you can actually get the build you want going
stone rune
Only the first shot ?
you reload after the first shot
formal citrus
Because I try to use twin fist + lambant plume but it's hard to have the dps to ...
having lightning or drink or doom attack are kind of essential to its dps without certain hammers.
formal citrus
Doing zag plume on runs where you know you'll get those (or even swapping to the purple mirror to reroll for them, gasp)
Is heavy knuckle +5 or 40 base?
stone rune
lmao
lapis harbor
there are the 4 f tiers
Huh. Can I check out a tier list?
That said, different goals require different tools. GY seems bad at my 32 heat, though I beat it it’s just mostly frustrating unless you get a good hammer set
latent moon
i can bs a quick aspect tier list real quick
@lapis harbor this took less than 30 seconds
@stone rune how do you feel about this
i might've put some A tier aspects low but eh
bell curve or something idk i suck at stats
actually is this supposed to be a hard meta tier list or like general tier list with some hints of meta
latent moon
if we're going hard meta then i'm throwing more stuff into D tier because there's like for example there's no reason to use zag/hades spear when achilles exists lmao
stone rune
this was for speed
stone rune
cause like
the most noticeable ones are
zagshield and zeus suck humongous ass
at speed
latent moon
ngl i'd put hestia in A solely because it's more difficult to go fast on that than like eris imo
stone rune
meh
latent moon
it's too calculating and a lot of optimizing compared to the other S tiers
stone rune
its one of the s tiers sleep said were unanimous
latent moon
fair enough i guess
i do get that it's fast and good tho
it's just like
ease of use compared to the other S tiers lmao
stone rune
if its on kbm hestia way easier than hera
latent moon
is it
stone rune
go get sub10 heroes on hera
latent moon
well that's a kbm issue for me
stone rune
its hard aspect
latent moon
i guess
i do agree with the rest for speed tho
i'd probably put zag and hades spear in D
ME aspects
more or less same as zag fists
stone rune
see
i know they suck
but i also know there is a 5:25 zagspear and a 4:45 hades hypermodded
latent moon
is 5:25 just ME
stone rune
no
latent moon
flurry tdash?
stone rune
it's just like 4 dash strike chaoses
stone rune
latent moon
like sometimes rng does rng things
yeah this isn't a "zag spear is actually good" argument it's like a "chaos buffs kinda good" argument lmao
formal citrus
Wouldn't Achilles be better with th at build
stone rune
yea
latent moon
exactly lmfao
stone rune
but bablo got it on zagspear
zagspear is literally just worse achilles
the boost is so useless
latent moon
i'd just throw them in with zag fists
ME aspects
or like
some variance
it's the same tier as zag sword which can do plume shenanigans
i'd think that's fair
stone rune
it was list for personal enjoyment
latent moon
for like general aspects use and whatnot
stone rune
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1130703670724546650/image.png which was this
well
personal enjoyment/general usage
latent moon
it's just the meta speed tier list more or less lmao
stone rune
i dont like zeus or zagshield tho
latent moon
they're quite literally A
stone rune
and ngl im kinda fine with playing arthur so long as i dont look at top right corner
latent moon
lmfao
tbh i enjoy playing most aspects except like 5 prob
pos, chaos, talos, zag spear, hades
stone rune
talos is literally so unfun
latent moon
gilga i was surprisingly fine with when i was doing the sub10 runs
formal citrus
I need to find a build I like on Talos
stone rune
that special pull is so annoying
stone rune
gilga i was surprisingly fine with when i was doing the sub10 runs
cant stand the dashes
latent moon
do dash only 
stone rune
my least favorite aspect is chiron tho
latent moon
i mean it's not that bad tbh
stone rune
i hate that thing
latent moon
lmao
formal citrus
If you like tdash, wouldn't you love more tdash
latent moon
chiron is fun for just brain off running
stone rune
they forged chiron in the pits of hell
latent moon
i think that's lucifer
stone rune
oh right
formal citrus
Lol
stone rune
i assume chaos would also be pretty miserable to play if i was playing unmodded
formal citrus
i heard blizzard shot is good
I was thinking maybe pulling into blades or something, Idk
latent moon
why do you need to pull them into the blades when they can track
formal citrus
I used chaos for a while as an extension of the doom on shield special easy mode build.
formal citrus
why do you need to pull them into the blades when they can track
Not getting close when casting, not needing two more specific boons
stone rune
yeah blizzard talos is the only actual synergy it has
latent moon
i used chaos like once when i was still doing my casual play through and i thought it was pretty worthless lmao
latent moon
but then i played zag shield and still found it pretty worthless because i got bad hammers and had no dps or something idk
stone rune
i loved zag shield
latent moon
Not getting close when casting, not needing two more specific boons
i mean i guess
but then you get achilles, where you rush towards them instead for 150% boost instead of 50%
formal citrus
I find shield special really fun.
formal citrus
Sea storm on beo special was a great time.
stone rune
does charged whatever decrease min throw time
formal citrus
I had that too lol
latent moon
guan yu decreases min throw time as well
latent moon
it's based 2nd hammer cause it's not min rush
it's based because it's funny
formal citrus
Tagging with doom on shield special is the kind of strat that I'm sure you guys would never recommend but probably got a good number of people their first clear.
latent moon
Tagging with doom on shield special is the kind of strat that I'm sure you guys ...
yeah sounds about right
prolonged fights are never a good thing
formal citrus
Also experimenting how reliable blocking with shield works
latent moon
not even from a speedrunning perspective, just like a general survivability thing lmao
latent moon
Also experimenting how reliable blocking with shield works
well you can't block while spamming special
stone rune
if you let dad live too long he charges up his ultimate
latent moon
you can between specials i guess when you get it back but also could use dash iframes at that point
or hide behind a pillar idk
formal citrus
Honestly it's not great against dad
latent moon
yeah that's the main problem here lmao
formal citrus
Well it's less effective feeling than in rooms
latent moon
yeah
most people complain about heroes fight or dad fight
and that's where this strat kinda sucks lmao
stone rune
or flame wheels 
formal citrus
But chucking it and letting it do its thing and running away is sometimes good for survivability even if it takes longer
latent moon
most of the time sure
errant trout
shield in general is just a great allrounder weapon, it's got defense, melee and range and it's pretty much a combination of these that got me my first escapes. And then eventually, it also got me my first sub10 run without ever using the special.
grand osprey
Why does every streamer/let'splayer pick up the bow, see the special and use only the special
It's so weak
uneven cloak
BTW I'm curious
if Mirage Shot wasn't bugged to Beo
would it still be a good boon to aim for?
formal citrus
Probs not, plain crush shot would probably do more
formal citrus
Why does every streamer/let'splayer pick up the bow, see the special and use onl...
Using the attack takes a few more tries to learn
Less showy
uneven cloak
btw what's a cast build? Just make the entire run about the cast throws?
analog elbow
Yes
upbeat walrus
shield in general is just a great allrounder weapon, it's got defense, melee and...
this
upbeat walrus
would it still be a good boon to aim for?
probably but it would be more of just a “see if you get it” boon
unlike now where it’s a do or die
also, I just finished Sub 14 with all weapons!
uneven cloak
you guys do this in Hell mode?
upbeat walrus
I know sub 14 is nothing but this is coming from somebody who frequently struggled with tight deadline 3
brisk trail
So how do I unlock Athena's last heart? (And Ares?)
upbeat walrus
you guys do this in Hell mode?
nah. hell mode auto enables some pretty annoying ones
specifically calisthenics program
as well as jury summons
brisk trail
So how do I unlock Athena's last heart? (And Ares?) <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Nvm I just got Athena
Somehow
brisk trail
'kay
uneven cloak
nah. hell mode auto enables some pretty annoying ones
Outside of removing a damage-taken cap, Hell mode just adds permanently some enemy-related heat?
gray apex
Outside of removing a damage-taken cap, Hell mode just adds permanently some ene...
One of them is not enemy related but basically yea
uneven cloak
btw are those considered as heat being active?
gray apex
They are permanently active on a Hell mode file. Only 1 of them is new not all of them
uneven cloak
cause I was previously planning on keeping 2 save files that i plan to both 100% in terms of unlocking everything
A normal God mode
and a Hell mode.
But after realizing how deep the completionist is in a single save file, I'm doubting my resolve
gray apex
Yea it'll take a while
Besides, if you get used to a normal file with God mode you'll probably struggle to win on Hell mode so it'll be a pain
uneven cloak
well its easy af to remove god mode and trigger the same heat that Hell mode has (except not having the new one)
Although the point of Hell mode is it's immediate difficulty even at the beginning
and never turns off
gray apex
well its easy af to remove god mode and trigger the same heat that Hell mode has...
Well yea but that doesnt mean you'll win
uneven cloak
indeed
I'm just saying it can be recreated
just that you have the priveleges of easier unlocks
oh
it stacks over the 5 heat already present just so you still get the same boss drop rewards as normal
gray apex
yup
upbeat walrus
@uneven cloak do what I did
uneven cloak
and have 0 plans on speedrunning and the like
Kill this normal mode save file and start hell mode now
cause...I do know how things work now
upbeat walrus
the only difference between normal and hell mode is the optional 1 extra thing
just download the speedrunning modpack
turn everything off
switch to hell mode
then delete the modpack
or disable it, and you can keep switching
uneven cloak
Hmmm
considering how.....hefty doing 2 save files of 100% is
I think it's time I keep 1 save file
and it be hell mode
gray apex
Just turn on HL LC JS CP and there you have it
upbeat walrus
I personally just enjoy the speedrunning modpack in general
even for just regular runs
the only reason I wanted hard mode at all was for the extra 1 heat, at 50 heat that makes a difference @gray apex
upbeat walrus
but yea if you want basically hard mode just start each run with hard labor 1, lasting consequences 1, jury summons 1, and calisthenics program 1
hard mode is personally the biggest disappointment in hades for me
hope hades 2 either does away with it and expands Heat or makes it better
uneven cloak
I am not someone who ever plays with mods. Plus I'm thinking of doing it purely for my flex save file hah
Heat is a good way to make roguelites harder but controlled
i do love these types of difficulty modifiers
I now know at least that I should aim to get Hera and Eris online asap and then Beowulf
Time to delete this normal mode. Going Hell mode.
upbeat walrus
Time to delete this normal mode. Going Hell mode.
I really don’t think that’s smart imo
you’ll want to turn it off sometimes
and there’s no point to lose all of your progress
uneven cloak
its not that long. Let me check
upbeat walrus
like, I wouldn’t even reset it for 20 minutes. you can just enable hell mode at any point
in theory
uneven cloak
only 43 escape attempts
let me just check how the save file looks with hell mode on 2nd slot
upbeat walrus
literally the only thing you’re doing is forcing yourself to redo hours of work for removing invincibility frames
and also removing the option to have a chill run
and an optional speedrun
there’s no reason at all, it’s why hell mode is so stupid
uneven cloak
43 escapes with only 11468 Darkness. Is that long enough?
upbeat walrus
I only have the mod that switches because of the 1 heat thing
yea that would be really annoying to do again on an arguably worse game
I promise you there’s absolutely no reason to do it
at the very least don’t delete your save file
gray apex
yolo
uneven cloak
Because I am that guy who does these harder difficulties for my personal single "perfect" save with the flex to go with it
100% cheevo'd some hard games
upbeat walrus
yea my only thing is that hard mode is the exact same as playing with 4 heat on
brisk trail
Athena's legendary is really nice
uneven cloak
Athena's Legendary has a long refresh rate
upbeat walrus
if you want an interesting challenge for bragging rights I’d try like 24+ Heat on every weapon / aspect
uneven cloak
unless you're that defensive or a dodgy player
upbeat walrus
true, though it’s also good to be able to mitigate the first hit in every room, especially if you’re barely getting hit
uneven cloak
theres a very good reason why my favorite weapon is Beowulf
and why I like Athena Attack a bit on it
upbeat walrus
beo + Athena dash = my first love
uneven cloak
being able to block with one of the best damage dealers in the game is love
Theseus' spear throw is nullified so hard
upbeat walrus
yea
I’ve played too much beo to the point where it feels unfair
I’m shooting for at least 24 Heat on every weapon rn, maybe every aspect
just cus beo is so strong that it’s almost silly
uneven cloak
one of the other cons of hell mode is you have to add +5 more heat to get every boss drop for each weapon
cause the instant 5 heat don't count
ok I think I'm gonna delete my old save file.
I know you've warned me. But I'm still gonna go through with it. It seems for me that being burdened this hard from the get go is a lot more palatable to me than to do 2 100% save files.
limber ether
hell mode is pretty insignificant, I wouldn't worry about it
uneven cloak
i agree
most of the chosen heat can be very light if you're not new
and i am not new anymore
limber ether
yeah the only thing that hell mode restricts is speedrunning to farm darkness
uneven cloak
hell, doing LC4 with the green revive is a lot more risky for me than these
limber ether
I assume you also don't like playing games on easy mode
devout terrace
if you're on pc you can just download the speedrunning modpack and enable hell mode then uninstall it
uneven cloak
oh no. I did it on easy mode because i wanted to unlock god mode to 80%. Even though after 43 escape it only went up to 34%
yeah I'm the guy who also tries as much as possible to never mod
limber ether
oh if there's no ego for hell mode then there's no point IMO
devout terrace
Its literally just for that one thing tho
limber ether
I just did hell mode because I don't like playing easy mode in games
uneven cloak
I did God Mode simply to learn as much as possible. Let's just say Eris, Hera, and Beowulf really halted God mode stacking
they're strong af
limber ether
well yeah low heat is easy enough without adding damage reduction
uneven cloak
hmmm
oh yeah you cna only unlock aspects once you get every weapon
should I go Eris or Hera as my carry weapon
limber ether
hestia + shackle
uneven cloak
cause Beo will take long to unlock
let's.....not go that route just yet
Damn. I didn't realize the mirror abilities carried so much until it's 100% inexistent
uneven cloak
Cthtonic Vit 2 helping me hard in sustenance
obsidian linden
I'm in hell mode and I want to get that "routine inspection" done
What should I do
uneven cloak
is that the fate where you have to clear one of each heat?
obsidian linden
I have every weapon, 11 titan blood and a bunch of other stuff
obsidian linden
is that the fate where you have to clear one of each heat?
Yes
uneven cloak
have you not tried the game before hell mode?
obsidian linden
Yes
uneven cloak
surely you must have a preference on your strongest aspects
obsidian linden
Fist
obsidian linden
Especially Demeter
I've every weapon in every aspect
Just not the investissement
uneven cloak
focus on one
obsidian linden
I also have Beowulf to do
uneven cloak
if I'm picking an early carry
it'd be fully investing on Eris
thats an easy strong weapon to get good at
obsidian linden
But I hate the frame data on that shield
uneven cloak
just don't try it on very high heat
died at Elysium miniboss of Butterfly Ball
I'd have preferred Asterius in this run
obsidian linden
That room...
calm glacier
Should i buy a hammer from charon in the first area? I swear you get 2 guaranteed anyway
uneven cloak
its not guaranteed
there will be runs where you only get 1
its just that it's capped to 2 for rooms
obsidian linden
yeah, take that hammer
calm glacier
The option is a mystery boon and health recovery. I can only afford either the hammer or the other two combined.
I am a bit low on health
So idk
Don't want to lose a death defiance early
formal citrus
You will almost certainly have the option to get your two hammers later
obsidian linden
Forget my crying
grand osprey
I've already gotten accustomed to EM4 hades
I almost died the last time I fought him but the rush I felt when fighting him for the first time is long gone
slow mortar
grand osprey
Yeah but it ends in like 30 seconds anyways
grand osprey
I don't wanna die
The plan for killing him is facetank the damage and kill him before he does
rough bolt
upbeat walrus
anyone know a good mid heat (24-32) aspect of nemesis strategy?
I’ve been trying to think it out
twin thistle
can do ME
upbeat walrus
on the one hand Artemis would make sense
but I know critical stacking sucks
merciful end? I was also thinking that as well
twin thistle
aphro attack start + d dash + good call and smair is good
upbeat walrus
smoldering air?
twin thistle
yep
upbeat walrus
what does that do again I forget
twin thistle
makes your call capped at 25% but it charges super quickly
twin thistle
yeah zeus + aphro
stone rune
@latent moon 2nd hermes isnt guaranteed with chaos extension 3exit with first hermes had
from experience now
pastel monolith
i wonder whats the highest crit chance u can have with like nemesis and pressure points and hunters mark etc
and maybe the one that makes hangover also increase crit
its gotta be close to 100%
upbeat walrus
you can go over 100% but it doesn’t actually act as 100%
pastel monolith
nemesis sword
artemis attack
hunters mark
pressure points
hangover dash
and the hangover crit duo
upbeat walrus
as with dodge
pastel monolith
oh that's weird.. how does it calculate i wonder
formal citrus
Deadly reversal
pastel monolith
like multiple separate crit rolls that dont stack?
stone rune
100% crit is 100% crit
pastel monolith
i believe jazz, they always know whatsup haha
stone rune
it's pretty easy with a big marked
upbeat walrus
where are you getting that from
oh I thought it was the same with Dodge
bc I know for sure that dodge doesn’t
but yea if you say crit is different I believe it
stone rune
dodge is harder to test
because you can’t really get 100% that’s not from timed effects
idk about dodge it might work like that
upbeat walrus
there’s a haelien video where he has 100% dodge and it’s more like ~70
it’s weirdly multiplicative, or something
formal citrus
Everywhere else iv e seen discuss dodge has said it's additive and that's been my experience with zag fists runs with ruthless reflex. Never get hit if you dodge right every 2 seconds or whatever it is.
Damage, crit, dodge additive; speed and damage reduction multiplicative is what I've always seen.
latent moon
<@384127040992837633> 2nd hermes isnt guaranteed with chaos extension 3exit with...
Oh I thought it was lmao
Well it's a good chance for it at least
lapis harbor
Does hidden shield need to avoid Poseidon attack/cast so it doesn’t push enemies out of the fireworks?
stone rune
poseidon cast is the best cast for it
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779451865399368/1130326110618529943/image.png?width=1440&height=448 heres what the build looks like
lapis harbor
No special even?
stone rune
no
lapis harbor
I thought the charged throw was supposed to have some value
stone rune
not compared to the cast
lapis harbor
Yeah, but one random boon seems maybe handy! I don’t think I recognize enough of the icons tho
stone rune
basically
flood flare
deadly strike
mirage shot
win
mirage is bugged to double your flare damage
lapis harbor
Yeah, I read about that today. Surprised they never fixed it…
lapis harbor
I love snow burst on it but it feels like it takes so much damage
stone rune
there are only like 2 we actually exploit in speedrunning
stone rune
nvm 3
theres mirage shot bug
wallbugging
and clockets
wallbugging on hera is where the crush shot will not lodge if the hitbox goes into a wall or something
clockets is bugged to deal 400 base damage instead of 280
lapis harbor
Clockets?
stone rune
cluster bomb and rocket bomb
lapis harbor
I take it Poseidon cast is best because of the +% against bosses thing?
pastel monolith
i havent done a clockets run in a while
clockets and hyper delivery with artemis attack or any kind of crit chance
giant chunky damage
twin thistle
flood flare also just has a really big aoe
pastel monolith
hera with athena cast is another fun one bc the way it works it usually back stabs enemies and u can get that bonus backstab damage to go nuts sometimes
u need that boon that makes casts fo backstab tho
it took me a long time to realize how significant backstab can be
i love using the fists and dashing thru enemies and hitting them in the back
formal citrus
Bad news bug is never speed run used?
formal citrus
Guessing only used when plume used
stone rune
it basically only exists on plume strats on stygian aspects where you get nectar and hit the highroll
which is actually a lowroll cause RD can go way higher
latent moon
Bad news isn't aimed for in speedruns because Rd exists and is better lmao
Maybe on like Hera I guess
Wait nvm that uses infernal
So basically hardly ever used
pastel monolith
whats bad news again?
stone rune
+50% damage
formal citrus
whats bad news again?
Hermes legendary if you are using stygian soul (timed recharge)
formal citrus
Says just cast damage but is all damage
stone rune
but it is not
pastel monolith
seems like it would be good for beams
formal citrus
Is good
pastel monolith
i dont use stygian soul enough
stone rune
you pick it if you see it but rd is better
pastel monolith
u know what i really need to use more.. privileged status! i almost never take it but it makes the run a lot more interesting and makes some useless boons useful
formal citrus
Beams might prefer faster cast recharge and bad news
pastel monolith
you pick it if you see it but rd is better
maybe get hermes in styx thatd be nice
formal citrus
I should probably try privileged with speed hera
stone rune
maybe get hermes in styx thatd be nice
i have something like that
let me find
beeg global
pastel monolith
epic
dire tendon
nvm 3
flare damage bug (diobeo) delta iframes (is that intentional?) double strike chances, sweet nectar rando poms, empty dragon rush beo, c1 fiery cast damage my beloved
stone rune
sweet nectar empty dragon rush r both fake
dire tendon
they aren't abused with the exception of trippy flare and double strike i'd say but they're all used!
dire tendon
sweet nectar empty dragon rush r both fake
shhhhhh
they have positive speedrun applications
stone rune
how does empty rush have positive applications
dire tendon
does empty drush have the base damage modifier
stone rune
no
stone rune
it just makes your loaded rush have less aoe
dire tendon
it probably helps in tart somewhere
dire tendon
thats more than 0!
stone rune
gray apex
me
stone rune
jolted is a bolt
dire tendon
i have not played this game enough
i always thought it was just a damage application
gray apex
You probably play too much beo
dire tendon
nah i havent played this game in weeks
but true, i dont play many aspects that use zeus
i dont play many aspects tbf
stone rune
ive basically only played beo recently
a little bit of eris and dem
it has been fruitful though
gray apex
Unfortunately my game crashes if I swap to a different weapon
formal citrus
Wait do double and bigger strikes affect jolted or nah?
stone rune
they affect
gray apex
They do
stone rune
just not bugged
stone rune
double strike has a lot bigger chance of double striking with some things
formal citrus
so jolted bolts are the only bolts th at don't apply jolted?
stone rune
thunder flourish, flare, veng, sea storm
formal citrus
So double strike good?
formal citrus
Neat
pastel monolith
how often do yall play with p status?
i prett much never do i dont even remember the last time i did
actualy i do.. its whenever try cast build with aphro cast and snow burst.. but outside of that its very rare
stone rune
how often do yall play with p status?
i think the last time was when i did beo 50
pastel monolith
50 heat?
stone rune
yea
pastel monolith
dang.. i need to do 50 heat
i think my record is 43
with hestia
do u by chance have a screenshot or remember ur pact/build?
stone rune
for 50?
i have
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1069732840197066832/image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1109684725104259102/image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1113941547306721401/image.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1128866738952482938/image.png?width=1440&height=443
here are my 50 heats
pastel monolith
😊thx
twin thistle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/913604520301457468/32d9dc1b-e8cf-4a1c-b192-0c76d31d01ea.png hestia is bestia. these hammers werent tho
upbeat walrus
the damage drops off without rd or clockets
what’s rd?
twin thistle
rush delivery
stone rune
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/913604520301457468/3...
you mean you don't want flurry fire on hestia?
you're joking
flurry fire is literally the best hammer for hestia
also nice ri2 ap2
upbeat walrus
rush delivery
H
well, I just did 24 Heat for the first time on hestia
well. 24 Heat on hestia
for the first time
just got a room 7 merciful end
lapis harbor
What’s the Achilles build?
lapis harbor
flurry fire is literally the best hammer for hestia
Wait. Why is this the case?
Seems anti synergistic on the surface
twin thistle
tis sarcasm
achilles is usually arty attack, splash dash, then go for either hunting blades, lightning phalanx, meme beams, or ice wine depending on what cast you get
lapis harbor
Splash dash is important or just good?
twin thistle
with how much you spam dash attacks with achilles its worth a lot of damage
you can just go cast only ig
dusk garden
Zag ❤️
lapis harbor
Rad. Love splash dash
stone rune
doing anything all aspect is annoying
twin thistle
zag sword 
upbeat walrus
- a normal aspect for the ones I originally did for hidden
I just used zag sword
with flurry slash and merciful end
twin thistle
flurry slash
upbeat walrus
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> flurry slash
I felt it to be pretty good specifically for merciful end
twin thistle
you just dash strike with ME tho
upbeat walrus
That’s fair
still felt nice to not spam for once on the swird
I have zero idea how to do 24 Heat with Lucifer
I don’t even know if I could clear with Lucifer tbh
stone rune
but with 3/4clockets in tart
twin thistle
zap is the just zeus attack aphro special tidal dash
twin thistle
then you get dio call and smair and free win
stone rune
and just, pray for cluster rocket I guess v
u cant get it
twin thistle
luci doesnt have clockets only triple bomb
stone rune
but triple bomb is 300 base damage
stone rune
zap is the just zeus attack aphro special tidal dash
artemis not aph
stone rune
oh is that the Lucifer exclusive hammer
no
upbeat walrus
Zeus attack first ig, then arty special and posei dash
twin thistle
i still vote aphro special for smair
upbeat walrus
yea I’d imagine that doesn’t matter much
stone rune
<:zageyes:1012805269715161108> i still vote aphro special for smair
rod better
twin thistle
true just have 3 zeus calls you can just stick anywhere
stone rune
rod = 210 dps
smair zeus = like 100 or something
the numbers crunch themselves!
believe me im numbery
and htose numbers.. they're number
upbeat walrus
dang
The run was actually pretty good
but tight deadline caught me
I think I have a chance now that I know how to play it
grand osprey
I started a fresh save
Got to hades on run 4
Got killed by phase 2, he had like 25% HP left
So close
uneven cloak
For a new run, what weapon should I go for
to carry me into unlocking and upgrading everything else?
Low lvl Hera Stygian Soul as a non-commital?
Or go full power Eris? Or any other suggestions?
upbeat walrus
HOLY CRAP
I just had a nice Lucifer 24 Heat
it should’ve been 27. turned down TD3 and had time to spare in every section
stone rune
Or go full power Eris? Or any other suggestions?
hestia
uneven cloak
Oh the other Rail equal to Eris strength? Thats what bananas mentioned
A long time ago
upbeat walrus
Oh the other Rail equal to Eris strength? Thats what bananas mentioned
yea
it’s crazy
uneven cloak
Btw does Hestia lock out the hammer boon of triple burst?
mint coral
Nah
uneven cloak
Cause that removes reloads entirely
upbeat walrus
yea it’s just a hammer you’d basically objectively never take
stone rune
it's good at high heat
uneven cloak
So i take it Hestia builds rely on Clockets too?
upbeat walrus
oh?
mint coral
delta keeps your iframes on dash strikes
upbeat walrus
So i take it Hestia builds rely on Clockets too?
nah hestia is just great regardless
stone rune
So i take it Hestia builds rely on Clockets too?
other hammers are good too
hazard bomb
ricochet fire
piercing fire
this stuff is useless on eris but great on hestia
upbeat walrus
dude I can’t believe I just did Lucifer
uneven cloak
Oh yeah its BASE damage improvements
upbeat walrus
that aspect is low key fun too
uneven cloak
Its not %
twin thistle
hazard eris 
stone rune
Oh yeah its BASE damage improvements
it would be useless if it was like+1400% or something
latent moon
delta keeps your iframes on dash strikes
I'm pretty sure that doesn't apply to empowered shot
stone rune
it does
latent moon
Oh
stone rune
or zyru is lying
latent moon
Who'd I hear that from them
stone rune
Delta Chamber
This is an interesting Hammer, as you retain I-Frames on Dash Strikes. Getting it as a result of your second AP2 hammer might be technically marginally safer than nothing at all? Not sure if this protection effect applies to the charged first shot, may need feedback here.
mint coral
hazard eris <:zagluv:687002515069468715>
stone rune
ok idk then
uneven cloak
So i should still avoid delta on Hestia regardless