h1-discussion

[upbeat walrus]

yea but like in Styx

well now I feel like that’s a challenge

I also need divine dash

idk why

[latent moon]

Only go for it if you keep getting like 5 arty boons for some reason after mirage shot

[upbeat walrus]

I just feel like I need it

[latent moon]

Unironically

[stone rune]

dont need ddash just need dddddamage

[upbeat walrus]

alr

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1113941547306721401/image.png?width=1246&height=701 heres the build u want

[upbeat walrus]

no mirage

invalid

[stone rune]

if you're doing pash

[upbeat walrus]

also what the hell 3:07

oh

that’s speedrunning

bruh I thought you put 3:07 sword in your profile lmfao

[stone rune]

just modded

not a speedrun

[upbeat walrus]

rn I’m running HL5 CF1 JS3 EM4 BP2 Middle Management, customs, FO2, TD3

I feel like that’s doable

[stone rune]

js3 🗿

just do lc4

em3'

[upbeat walrus]

lc4 suckkks tho

[stone rune]

i thought the same thing and turns out it doesnt

[upbeat walrus]

I die in like normal rooms I need my healing

[stone rune]

if you die in normal rooms lc4 is better

lmfao

[upbeat walrus]

I’m like pretty much 100% sure I’d die to heroes honestly

But, for you, I’ll try it once

keep JS3?

[stone rune]

no

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1128772731383582791/image.png super easy 40 pact

[upbeat walrus]

I really think approval process is worse than JS2

[stone rune]

just do hestia

[upbeat walrus]

no shot

I can’t even do 20 with hestia

[stone rune]

how

[upbeat walrus]

Not that I’ve tried much

idk I need me some shield

I bet if I got cluster rockets I could but yk

[formal citrus]

Probably by not being able to do it

[stone rune]

just do hazard

are u on modded

[upbeat walrus]

no

[stone rune]

oh

well hestia has a lot of good hammers

hazard cluster rocket ricochet piercing

[upbeat walrus]

yeah

[stone rune]

targ

[formal citrus]

Is targeting that helpful on hestia

[upbeat walrus]

anyways, that’s a problem for another day. I want to get 20 Heat on each weapon eventually

[stone rune]

extra 45 on attack

[upbeat walrus]

I’ve only ever done 20 Heat with two aspects

[formal citrus]

30% damage is 45 damage

[latent moon]

Imagine getting a good build at 50 heat

[stone rune]

have u seen my first 50 win screen

🗿

[latent moon]

Have you seen mine lmao

[stone rune]

i had stubborn roots

dont think you can beat that

on ri1 ap2

literally hard carried by rng

you're like

good at the game

and beo is also good at the game

[upbeat walrus]

the non Beowulf aspect being Rama

[formal citrus]

Also me

[upbeat walrus]

I really like rama

[formal citrus]

Rama is very nice

[upbeat walrus]

bet I could push high heat with it if I practiced

[formal citrus]

I have recently found

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1006459102949560380/unknown.png

[stone rune]

fat attack

[upbeat walrus]

touch of Styx dark looks nice

alright I’m gonna try with lasting consequences 4

this is not gonna work I don’t believe, but I’ll try

[latent moon]

Aspect of cshot fr

[stone rune]

hit patty

[upbeat walrus]

what does patty even do for the infinite defiance or whatever it’s called

[formal citrus]

That

[upbeat walrus]

lol I wish I could send images

[formal citrus]

Touch of styx dark is what patty gives

The charon ones are only 10%

[upbeat walrus]

on my very first high heat run with AP1 enabled, flood flare was just crossed out

💀

wow ok that’s the run

I guess I can just reset here

[latent moon]

Send image links

[upbeat walrus]

ah

bro these rooms are way easier without the 30% health and 60% more

who would’ve thought

[latent moon]

Who would've thunk huh

[upbeat walrus]

do you guys sometimes have it that it doesn’t work when you try to interact with something?

I can’t figure out why it’s happening

[formal citrus]

Boons?

[stone rune]

sometimes it's annoying with bloodstones

i think

like it wont let you pick the boon up till you get the bloodstones

[formal citrus]

It's a bug where you have to pick them up right? Yee

It comes up when I'm speed running more than I would like

[upbeat walrus]

OOHH

okay

that makes sense

ty!!

[stone rune]

i hate you dyno

[mint coral]

The general idea is that it has to do with mashing the cast button iirc

[stone rune]

come back in 30 seconds

when i post the video

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/1120441247534948524/slippery_pain.mp4

from guan yeezy

[upbeat walrus]

woah I just died to tisiphone

[upbeat walrus]

yooo

I’m gonna switch LC4 to EM4 for a run

if I get good rng I think I should win

[formal citrus]

either way you will have more fun

[twin thistle]

fo2 em4

[twin thistle]

are you doing lc4 without stubborn defiance

[stone rune]

oh wait

that might explain it

[upbeat walrus]

I was not

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087386688105488495/1128784824816119818/IMG_0028.jpg

hardcore trolling

but yeah regardless, I still only have like 100 HP going into EM4 with no death defiances. choked some early stuff because just playing bad

[stone rune]

and thats why we do lc4

[latent moon]

and that's why we do pstatus passion flare when on ap1 lmao

[upbeat walrus]

lol I died to the fury sisters lol

[upbeat walrus]

what should I do other than Demeter and aphro

[latent moon]

you dont really need much else tbh

i mean athena's always nice ofc

DD cheese and ddash

[upbeat walrus]

just got rare crop crossed out when I had only common pash flare

this is like infuriating lmao

nvm rolled once and got epic snow burst

[latent moon]

rare crop is bugged with passion flare

i think?

something along those lines

i forgot how it works

attack rarity upgrade is bad for it

and then uh

[stone rune]

yeah

tiny flare

[mint coral]

Tiny flare always lurking

[latent moon]

if you have cshot before you get rare crop then cshot damage begone

[stone rune]

Icy and Passion Flare
If you have either of these boons and do any of the following, you cast will shrink to the size of base zag flare:
Sell your attack boon
Replace your attack boon
Upgrade the rarity of your cast or attack
Pick up an anvil
If it was caused by rare crop, it can be fixed by upgrading that boon’s rarity with Eurydice.

[stone rune]

if you get a replace into pash flare your cshot damage goes back

[latent moon]

cringe

tldr rare crop bad

[upbeat walrus]

just died to lernie

[upbeat walrus]

wha

[mint coral]

Certain situations causes the AoE from passion flare to reverse to the AoE of your base cast

[spring rain]

https://ibb.co/GQM98q1 I really wanna max out dusa

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1128796585766158356/image.png

444.4

[hybrid hedge]

aspect of demeter with kinectic launcher and artemis special is so much fun

is shield of chaos any good? it seems very silly and fun

[pastel monolith]

its definitely silly and fun

[hybrid hedge]

but not good

[pastel monolith]

i havent made it super good myself but pppl can

[hybrid hedge]

i think a max shield of chaos with dread flight would be silly

[pastel monolith]

I like zeus on it

[hybrid hedge]

and like charged throw

can you have dread flight and charged throw?

[pastel monolith]

idk.. whats dread flight again?

[mint coral]

+4 bounces

[pastel monolith]

personally i dont use chaos shield.. or shield at all... very often

[mint coral]

Special hammers don't work on the extra chaos shields

[pastel monolith]

i dont like extra bounces id prefer fewer bounces if anything lol

[mint coral]

Only affect the main shield

[hybrid hedge]

WHAT

thats stupid

[mint coral]

Also yeah bounces are really hurtful

[pastel monolith]

ya imagine if explosive return worked with the extra chaos shields lol

[hybrid hedge]

i wanted to bounce like 6 sheilds around a room

[mint coral]

Cuz you can't attack at all

[hybrid hedge]

but its silly

[latent moon]

but no damage and you get smacked

[hybrid hedge]

silly

[main talon]

play for 221.6 more hours

[mint coral]

Fair

[hybrid hedge]

666?

[main talon]

no what would make you think that

[hybrid hedge]

silly

is there a mod that makes the extra shields get the hammer lmao

that would be silly

[latent moon]

there's a mod that gives you back chaos shield from early access

idk about that one tho

[pastel monolith]

extra shield bounces are good for doom special tho

[mint coral]

Not that I know of
Fused aspects mod is also hilarious tho

Cuz you get 6 zeus shields at once

[hybrid hedge]

extra zues shields would be insane

[upbeat walrus]

@latent moon @stone rune thank you guys for the help, however I hate the fact that you were right

[stone rune]

GG

[latent moon]

lmao lc4 sd kinda good

technically more effective healing

[upbeat walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087386688105488495/1128800170017042453/IMG_0029.jpg

here

[latent moon]

lmao you like barely burned your acorn

if anything

[stone rune]

nice shadow presence

[latent moon]

damageless dad fight

[twin thistle]

is that olympian favor

[stone rune]

🗿

[upbeat walrus]

do you guys think I should jump straight to 50 Heat?

[latent moon]

lmfao based mirror

[upbeat walrus]

yea it was damageles

[latent moon]

yeah once you fix your mirror

[stone rune]

yeah lmfoa

[upbeat walrus]

I’ve literally never done a run with Olympian favor off in my entire life

[latent moon]

if you want you could do 45 but i dont think that really prepares you that much for 50 on beo

[lapis harbor]

Huh. Is Zagreus spear any good? I haven’t put any TB in it in this play through and I’m curious if it’s worth it

[latent moon]

unless you actively take like idk ap2

[latent moon]

nope

it's just bad achilles

[lapis harbor]

That’s what I thought

[stone rune]

how did u play the game

damn

[lapis harbor]

Ish

[latent moon]

anything zag spear can do achilles can do better basically

the only thing zag spear can do is special spam

but you need 2 specific hammers for that

and unlike clockets, the order of the hammers you get matters

[upbeat walrus]

I actually have no idea what dark foresight even does

[stone rune]

it's like

[latent moon]

more hearts, poms, and coins

[stone rune]

100 times better than of

[latent moon]

and earlier hammer

[lapis harbor]

Might try it some time anyway. I have 32 heat on all aspects on my first save

[stone rune]

also cool 100% crithttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1128800954586759259/image.png

[lapis harbor]

But it’s been so long

[twin thistle]

dark foresight after extra dash and sd is the best perk on the mirror

[upbeat walrus]

No way

[latent moon]

dark foresight does a lot of work

[stone rune]

yea

[upbeat walrus]

this is really news to me

[latent moon]

you know how you'd get darkness and gems in your runs right

[upbeat walrus]

Yea

[latent moon]

you'd get like a lot of it

[upbeat walrus]

oh

[stone rune]

you get less of that and you get more of actually useful stuff

[upbeat walrus]

actually?

Lmao

[latent moon]

dark foresight makes it so you only see it like 4 times max in a run

[upbeat walrus]

tf

is that the biggest problem?

[latent moon]

like 2 or 3 times in tartarus (3 times is pushing it)

[twin thistle]

more boons makes it way more easy to actually get op builds

[latent moon]

once in aspho, sometimes once in ely

[upbeat walrus]

Oh wow

[latent moon]

like that thing does work

[upbeat walrus]

Huh.

[twin thistle]

and you'll have less trouble with customs too

[latent moon]

also more likely for an earlier hammer

[upbeat walrus]

and the 40% rare thing isn’t bad?

[twin thistle]

its bad

[latent moon]

well it's not bad but also like

it's competing against dark foresight

[twin thistle]

its worth like an extra pom or two

[upbeat walrus]

I really thought that was terrible dude I’m not even gonna lie

[latent moon]

i mean hermes and chaos kinda good with rarity

but also kinda why you run pride lmao

[twin thistle]

who need rare rd just get epic

[upbeat walrus]

I switched to god’s pride for this run because I knew I wasn’t going for anything

I basically always have the other one instead tho

[twin thistle]

imagine you got mirage shot

[latent moon]

i mean before you did high heat you were speedrunning beo

which wants legacy

so fair lmao

@upbeat walrus https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1125229742203879544/1125549373422587914/image.png?width=570&height=456

this should be your mirror basically

infernal over stygian

and pstatus over fam favs

[stone rune]

man

flurry hard

[latent moon]

git gud

[stone rune]

true

[twin thistle]

flurry achilles?

[latent moon]

prob zag bow

zag bow is aotw in speedcord

[stone rune]

yea

[twin thistle]

oh. well tryna play optimal with flurry achilles makes my thumbs die

[stone rune]

thanks for all those 0 ichors 0 jerkies, 3 screens of well

[latent moon]

it do be like that

flurry achilles makes my brain hurt

[gray apex]

is that the real unananas

[stone rune]

is flurry or perfect better for 2nd zagbow hyammer

just anvilled flurry into explosive point blank

[twin thistle]

no im dead

hades 2 when

[gray apex]

i forgot about it

[mint coral]

What's hades 2

[latent moon]

perfect i think

[stone rune]

damn

[gray apex]

That’s probably better

ngl

[latent moon]

iirc in the bigp derby the 2 zagbow runners went perfect and/or point blank

[upbeat walrus]

fiery presence?

oh yea cus you can’t backstab with cast. I’m stupid

[stone rune]

and also fiery is better

in general

[latent moon]

Also because fiery makes for faster normal rooms

[upbeat walrus]

I see

that does make sense

fiery only counts towards the dragon rush ig but that is pretty good still

[formal citrus]

Fiery not pulling its weight against em4

[stone rune]

it's beo

and also

why em4

this was 40

they did em3

[dull niche]

imo flurry

it just kinda stinks if you have a bunch of dash strike chaos, is the issue

but its so strong

[upbeat walrus]

sure but neither is backstab. might as well use it for Tartarus and some asphodel

[stone rune]

looks like i have a new aspect to use controller on

[latent moon]

I mean shadow isn't doing anything against em4 on beo either

Fiery will give you more time for em4 if anything

[spring rain]

Guys how do I unlock more hearts with dusa specifically

[formal citrus]

I can't really think of any times that perfect is better than flurry

[stone rune]

well

[hybrid hedge]

SLUGCAT!

[stone rune]

if you have a lot of dash strike bonus like croven said

[untold crown]

I think you just keep talking to her between runs, unless the nyx firing her event is what unlocks it, then it'll unlock after she's back

[stone rune]

and also on kbm aiming flurry is annoying

[formal citrus]

Ah

[spring rain]

what

[spring rain]

slug

[stone rune]

or if the perfect bonus is needed for bpoints

[formal citrus]

BPoints?

[stone rune]

breakpoints

[formal citrus]

Ah

[stone rune]

id assume killing each enemy with 1 perfect is faster than 2 flurries

[formal citrus]

I'm not so sure

Two flurries will definitely out damage pretty quickly with percent boost

[latent moon]

2 flurry shots doesn't mean 2 dash strike shots all the time

so if you have good dash strike chaos bonuses then flurry falls off there

esp if perfect is one shotting

[formal citrus]

Right yeah, dash strike bonus is definitely a possible time

But also, 40 vs 50 base, right?

[stone rune]

flurry doesnt affect base

[formal citrus]

But you can't perfect

[stone rune]

well standing strike also occurs

[formal citrus]

Yep

[stone rune]

base is 40 for dash strike 60 for standing strike 50 for power shot dash strike 70 for power shot standing

[formal citrus]

Yeah so 40 with dash bonus plus 60 vs 50 with dash bonus and 150%

And regular attack bonus on all

[stone rune]

well a flurry dash strike and standing will take longer than one perfect

[spark vapor]

Is hypnos' only lock the autograph? I thought i already asked asterius for it (maybe im just misremembering) but hypnos hasnt unlocked and idk what else to do for him

[latent moon]

i think it's a story beat with thanatos or something

[mint coral]

yeah the autograph is an extra thing

hypnos favor sucks but short version is talking with him and Thanathos till Hypnos starts doing his job better

[whole comet]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1870326688
close one

[white path]

Access to 3 duo boons and a legendary
all 5 base skills are booned
only rares :(

Access to 2 duo boons and a legendary
All 5 base skills still booned
only commons :(

[uneven cloak]

I'm seeing clear screens with a lot of boons. Is it the advantages of max Dark Foresight getting more chances for Olympian Boon doors to appear?

[hybrid hedge]

how do i make aspect of demeter good

[stone rune]

yea

[stone rune]

ME

[hybrid hedge]

what

[stone rune]

?

[latent moon]

Merciful end

Not everyone knows the acronyms jazz

[hybrid hedge]

i thought they just really loved aspect of demeter lmao

[stone rune]

o yea

no idr like fists

[hybrid hedge]

L

fists so fun

[stone rune]

omg how do people play without fiery

power shot doesnt even kill brimstone

[latent moon]

Because people don't have problems in normal rooms and shadow helps more against bosses, which they struggle more with

[stone rune]

but brimstone

[latent moon]

Because everyone micro optimizes every second of gameplay

[stone rune]

i think it would be really funny if they made seeking fire actually do something

[uneven cloak]

In high enough heat, the bosses are no longer the concern

Damn butterflies and snake lasers

And rats and satyrs

[twin thistle]

max heat dad and heroes would like to have a word with that

[brisk trail]

I downloaded Hades on my computer right before we left for our trip and I have to wait until the end of the month to play it 😔

I just defeated the first boss (? Not sure what to call her) and was just getting into it

[twin thistle]

ppl usually call her meg

hope you enjoy the game

[latent moon]

at high heat the bosses are the concern lmao

you have to fight them with a smaller hp pool

[uneven cloak]

But arent they mostly consistent and the most predictable?

[twin thistle]

try doing damageless fo2 em4 heroes and dad

most normal enemies will attack you at very consistent distances and unlike bosses they dont have fat hp bars

[uneven cloak]

What number is max heat?

[twin thistle]

64 but its pretty ridonkulous

high high heat is usually 50+ imo

[uneven cloak]

Btw whats the thing about heat 32 or something? Is it where rewards stop at?

Or is it a cheevo?

[twin thistle]

main thing is you get a skelly statue think rewards stop too but i forget

[uneven cloak]

Yeah cause I saw a guide for that specific heat count. Good to know

Has anyone actually succeeded in max heat? I can imagine a patient and careful player being able to pull it off if it werent for the Deadline

[twin thistle]

think highest is 63

theres a routed 64 if that counts for you

[chilly jasper]

is shield of chaos silly bad or just bad

[latent moon]

just bad

[latent moon]

it was cleared seeded and modded

actually there might be an unseeded clear

but modded for sure

[latent moon]

just because they're the most consistent and predictable doesn't make them easy lol

you can't perfectly predict every move

[uneven cloak]

Yeah. Theseus's 2nd phase brings me more trouble than Dad sometimes

Btw anyone bother to kill Theseus before Asterius?

[latent moon]

generally no

you only do that when you accidentally phase theseus before asterius

but most of the time you're better off killing asterius first

[uneven cloak]

Imagining all those Olympian Calls while Asterius is in your face gives me nightmares

[latent moon]

because he's the one who actively chases you while theseus is mostly ranged

[latent moon]

lmao yeah that's pretty much why you kill bull first

[uneven cloak]

Demeter's is the most dangerous for me

Due to the slow and chill effects

Also the call is huge

[latent moon]

does she actually slow and chill when against you?

i thought it was just hit stun

and area denial

[uneven cloak]

I cant dash away fast enough when hit with the vortex

It actually slows your movement at least

[latent moon]

that might be the hit stun part

[uneven cloak]

Ah...

[main talon]

I dont like aphrodite cus it keeps appearing out of nowhere

[stone rune]

if u mean the weapon it’s good

if you mean the aspect it’s just bad

[stone rune]

no dem call chills you

[chilly jasper]

aspect

on paper it sounds fun

[stone rune]

using the bonus is not fun

just annoying

massive spread

and leaves u defenseless

[latent moon]

Oh lmao I never knew

[uneven cloak]

it's really hard to dodge Demeter's

outside of the ground-denying attacks, it adds a huge vortex bigger than any circle other calls make

and it slows you down

tbh, it's like an actual Demeter Greater Call in terms of size

[twin thistle]

it mostly just a time sink if enemies hang out in it. theres a telegraph with a circle appearing thats replaced by the growing vortex a second latter so you have plenty of time to run away

[foggy verge]

Ayo guys, what will happen if I take the hammer improvement that removes reloading from the gun weapon (dk how it calls in English) with aspect of Hestia? Will it make Hestias passive useless?

[tepid light]

Nope, you can still reload by pressing r, it just won't do anything beyond giving you the hestia bonus damage on your next shot

[foggy verge]

Hmm

Thx m8 @tepid light

[tepid light]

No prob

[violet parrot]

So i just got merciful end the first time with hera attack and ares flourish but i just can't figure out what exactly it does since i haven't noticed any changes

[latent moon]

That's probably because merciful end is useless on bow lmao

When you inflict doom, if you hit them with something that can deflect, the doom drops immediately

And it's kinda awkward to do that on a bow

Especially since on Hera the special is useless

[violet parrot]

I used the spear tho

flourish is special in general

isnt it?

so if i inflict doom and then hit the doomed enemy with something that can deflect the doom drops?

[raw herald]

Hera is the bow

[violet parrot]

oops i meant athena

sorry

[twin thistle]

on spear its usually better to have doom attack and athena dash so you can dash attack and instantly proc dooms

[violet parrot]

oh so just inflict doom and dash into them

[twin thistle]

though you still need athena special for ME to have a chance of popping up

well usually instead of attack then dash you just dash attack aka do em simultaneously

[violet parrot]

ah ok

and what would be best for zeus' shield?

[twin thistle]

for zeus shield you usually go zeus special then his other boons like jolted and double strike

[violet parrot]

ah ok

only zeus?

[twin thistle]

its usually the most consistent you can slap doom on special and grab athena attack for ME too or other way around

[violet parrot]

whats me

[twin thistle]

merciful end

[violet parrot]

ahok

[violet parrot]

good news just beat hades the first time

actually the first time i entered second phase

but still had 2 revives

[agile basin]

I wanna share that I got the first boon/hammer in less than one second and im feeling like this is one of the biggest achievments for me in this game
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285423736528568320/1129092056581673102/image.png

[upbeat walrus]

LOL! I’ve been going for that for ages

I did 1.01 yesterday :(

btw @latent moon I was wondering if there’s a document stating each enemy and boss health values and/or a way to get that in the game?

would definitely be useful for Beowulf I think

[latent moon]

there's a doc for it somewhere @stone rune should have it

but also i dont think it's that useful on beowulf

all your breakpoints are more of "how many casts do i need" and you generally figure that out midrun

ofc with enough playtime you just know some stuff

but it's really like "okay i need 1 for this enemy, 2 for this one, etc"

[agile basin]

I finished this run with 10:13
if only I had one more free room
||Or I actually had the skill to play with achilles 💀 ||

[latent moon]

unironically with achilles

mash faster

there aren't any cooldowns you need to wait for like a reload on hestia, so you straight up just mash faster

also zeus start means a slower tartarus

tidal dash is typical for speedrunning

ideally you'd leave tart with artemis, ares, zeus, athena, or dio in the proper core slot

[agile basin]

yeah, but i saw the flurry so I had to try for zeus atak early
I see that is not that good of an ideia 😅

[latent moon]

lmao it's pretty underwhelming surprisingly

it's fine in tartarus because you have the 150% raging rush

[agile basin]

but like, I thought zeus cast on tart was good on achilles

[latent moon]

but you need jolted

oh zeus cast

i think that's more of like a "dammit i'm going into ely without a cast"

zeus cast in tart is like

kinda like tdash lmao

you get the same aoe

except more ranged

[agile basin]

I mean, I did get the atak, but if the cast shows up I take it

[latent moon]

tbh in tart i wouldn't take zeus cast

there's better casts

ares, athena, or dio

[agile basin]

ARES?!

[latent moon]

hunting blades

strong duo

[agile basin]

damn, I really know nothing

I thoguth hunting blades wasnt good for speeds

[latent moon]

you hunting blades down one group of enemies then attack another yourself

it's only good on achilles lmao

[main talon]

amount of runs looking for merciful end but not finding it:1

[latent moon]

achilles damage falls off pretty hard in ely

so you need your cast build by then

hunting blades works really well because it has a pretty large aoe and just does a lot of damage

and the tracking lets you just forget about a group of enemies

[agile basin]

so I am really playing achilles wrong
so I guess the 10min is actually good with my choices lol

[latent moon]

honestly yeah lmao

i think i struggled a bit getting sub10 achilles

there's an achilles guide somewhere

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSCN05l68oU4YF_6l9d-dsn8QkEYZHw0iiU7zkFgAjKa6l3p2ALGfGTQ0w9Sl34oT9FiFmDwuFjz-s-/pub

the first one is by 185in

the second one is more of a mechanical guide by charlie

more of an add on to 185's

[agile basin]

I got them, evil core boons
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877038707583107092/1129101968917409822/image.png

[latent moon]

lmao pretty much

[agile basin]

ok, but next time I will actually follow the guide
I keep messing up trying stuff lol

[latent moon]

lmao it's fine

achilles kinda hard

at least you had a good attack so that's something

i'm assuming you got static discharge

[agile basin]

yeah...
I got a commum one, but had the chance to make it lvl 4 tho

[agile basin]

Serrated point: Reset

[latent moon]

serrated point works fine for achilles iirc

but you need cleaner mashes

[latent moon]

basically lvl 2 epic lmao it's fine

[agile basin]

also, comum sprint and rush delivery
and remembering now, I think I got a bit low number of boons 🤔
got 10 boons total on end screen, I did sell 2 but like, I feel like I didnt got much offered ?

idk, run was cursed but still got a 10min
Still felt good while being bad lol

[upbeat walrus]

I see, that makes sense

[upbeat walrus]

@latent moon what’s best 50 Heat setup?

[latent moon]

uh

gimme a sec

[upbeat walrus]

ty!

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1006459102949560380/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

ap1 em4 dc0

[stone rune]

zeus atk is a lil underwhelming

[latent moon]

i took ap2 dc1 instead of em4 because i suck at em4

[stone rune]

needs jolted and stuff

[latent moon]

dc1 beo is more of a thing if you can get charged shot

but also since you seem fine on em4 i'd just take that

oh you dont have hell mode toggle

could be cursed and take cp0 ri1?

because dc1 is too much of a time sink to take em4

[upbeat walrus]

oh jeez

did you use the hard mode exclusive one

[latent moon]

yeah

it's not hard

it's pretty free

since it's modded i can toggle hell mode on and off

[upbeat walrus]

I know but that means I have to make a new file

[latent moon]

nah lmao

hell mode toggle is nice for high heat

[upbeat walrus]

I guess I have to mod my game then

[stone rune]

is this 50 heat

[agile basin]

yo, question
how bad is fist for 40 heat?

[upbeat walrus]

yes

[latent moon]

you dont exactly have to

[upbeat walrus]

I struggle with fist 0 Heat lol

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1129131457487577138/image.png?width=637&height=670

[stone rune]

hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp2 bp2 mm uc fo2 ap2 td3 pl

[latent moon]

ri1 cp0

[stone rune]

easy 50 heat beo pact

[latent moon]

idk how well it would work

but with this pact you wont have to mod or make a new save file

[latent moon]

honsetly not too bad

you have to play pretty clean

if you get long knuckle it's a god send

[upbeat walrus]

is PL the hard mode exclusive?

[latent moon]

yes

personal liability

[upbeat walrus]

got it

[latent moon]

the shield you get when you get smacked hard or many times doesnt exist

[stone rune]

it’s basically free heat but requires js1 cp1

beo js3 cp2 with dc0 ri0 is pretty easy

[upbeat walrus]

approval process 2 sucks

[agile basin]

ok, then ima do my first 40 right now 👍
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877038707583107092/1129131707149336707/image.png

[stone rune]

ri0

[latent moon]

yeah this pact works

[upbeat walrus]

yes

[latent moon]

will say tho

[stone rune]

yea that’s fine

[stone rune]

you have 4 rolls

[latent moon]

i took hs cf1 instead of cf2

[stone rune]

you only need 2 boons

[stone rune]

psycho

[latent moon]

buying hearts and boons and whatnot is strong

[upbeat walrus]

that’s fair

[latent moon]

i mean dont hit the trap lmao

[upbeat walrus]

is EM4 really worse than AP2?

[latent moon]

my lernie didn't burn sd iirc

[upbeat walrus]

especially with acorn

[latent moon]

it's more of like

[stone rune]

yea

[latent moon]

i never learned the fight for em4

and like

[stone rune]

ap2 is not that bad

[latent moon]

you seem comfortable on em4

i'd do em4 tbh

[upbeat walrus]

yeah, that’s fair. jury summons and damage control 2 kind of sucks

[upbeat walrus]

I’m definitely not, tbh

[latent moon]

ah well

you did it with cp2 lmao

[stone rune]

so yeah

[latent moon]

oh you did have mirage i guess

[upbeat walrus]

I think I will mod my game

[latent moon]

based

if that's the case then you can take dc1 ap2 instead of em4

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1113941547306721401/image.png here’s the pact

[latent moon]

tartarus might suck

[stone rune]

that i used

[upbeat walrus]

nothing to do with high heat but I kind of want to try the Apollo and Hestia mod. would that corrupt my file?

[stone rune]

i wouldn’t do it on the same file

just download speedrun maxed file

[upbeat walrus]

does that have help mode toggle?

oh wait

[stone rune]

no it’s just a save file

[upbeat walrus]

I see

[stone rune]

no clear history

all dialogue done all aspects and keepsakes and mirror maxed all house stuff bought etc

[latent moon]

i think someone said that olympus extra messes with the guaranteed hammer part for the speedrun modpack? i could be wrong on that one

[stone rune]

yea they did

[latent moon]

(most dialogue and 1 non-maxed keepsake)

[stone rune]

i’m pretty sure mom pom is maxed on the newer one

because when i downloaded it i got the all keepsakes maxed achievement

[latent moon]

oh was there a newer one

[upbeat walrus]

gotcha. does this game have a modding hub where you can like easily play with one enabled and disabled?

and switch them?

[stone rune]

the 50 clear one

[latent moon]

that's the one i used and it didnt have maxed mom pom lmao

[stone rune]

it’s kinda a pain

way i do it is i have separate folders

and you rename which one you want to use to Mods and run modimporter

[latent moon]

you can toggle the stuff in game so the modded benefits are off but the clear screen will still say the game was modded

[upbeat walrus]

I also have to actually get the modimporter working

[stone rune]

but all mine are just diff variations of speedrun modpack

[stone rune]

on windows?

[upbeat walrus]

yes

[stone rune]

just use the exe

[upbeat walrus]

I haven’t looked into it at all, I’m sure I could find a guide

alright nice

[stone rune]

should all be in your content folder

[latent moon]

the guide is pretty easy to use

the 1.3 modpack gives you everything you need

download it, unzip and download into the hades content folder

run modimporter that's provided

tada

something like that

(i hope i'm right)

the instructions are provided so you should be fine

[upbeat walrus]

god damn it

why is that bot there anyways

whatever

I said I really hope I could separately play the speedrun mod and the extra gods mod without messing up my game

but yea I’ll try to download the 1.3 speedrun mod pack

[latent moon]

for those specific stuff you prob have to ask the modding server but idrk

@deep scroll uses both iirc so they might be able to help you

[upbeat walrus]

oh that would be awesome actually, I’ll ask them at some point! ty!

[stone rune]

in a moment i can show u how to configure it like that

[upbeat walrus]

that would be super awesome

[stone rune]

ok so

it's actually rlly simple

[upbeat walrus]

thank you guys so much btw for everything this community is great

[deep scroll]

mh?

OE and speedrun pack?

[stone rune]

basically just create 2 folders, name them something like ModsOE and ModsS or something

[upbeat walrus]

okay

[stone rune]

and then when you want to use one, rename it to Mods and run modimporter

because it just looks for whatever folder is named Mods

[upbeat walrus]

okay, and modimporter will open hades?

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1129134897416642722/image.png this is what mine looks like

[stone rune]

no it just makes it so when you launch the game it has those mods

you still launch it from steam or wherever

[upbeat walrus]

okay got it

[stone rune]

you dont need to keep it running or anything though

[stone rune]

yea how well do they work together and stuff

[upbeat walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087386688105488495/1129135264476962897/IMG_0052.jpg correct one?

[latent moon]

you dont need to download that

[upbeat walrus]

oh

[deep scroll]

Personally I added the speedrun mod first then OE and it worked somewhat ok
The first hammer selection broke though, and I sometimes get crashes (I think a total of 3 so far, one of which is reproduceable)

[latent moon]

it's provided in the speedrun modpack

[upbeat walrus]

got it

[stone rune]

yea

https://github.com/Hades-Speedrunning/HadesSpeedrunningModPack/releases

if you want you can also download hypermodded here

which is fun

[upbeat walrus]

oh okay. is it a really bad idea to keep turning things off and on?

like, does it have any chance of ruining my save file?

[stone rune]

not rlly

it's really really hard to actually corrupt your save in hades

[upbeat walrus]

gotcha

[latent moon]

yeah it should be fine to turn on and off

[stone rune]

sleep has been tinkering with the game for years and i think said he never once actually corrupted it

[upbeat walrus]

if I just run one at a time, and remember to enable and disable properly, I think I should be okay

[latent moon]

idk if you should do that with the game open tho lmao

[upbeat walrus]

awesome

yea of course

[stone rune]

but hyper is basically speedrun modpack if everything was nice and good

[upbeat walrus]

okay here’s an idea I had

well, partially

I saw it somewhere

but it was a joke

but wouldn’t it be cool if you could enable something that allowed you to keep going back to Greece and use Persephone’s garden and grow and plant things and sell them at the house?

it’s so dumb but it would be awesome

[stone rune]

stardew valley implanted in hades

[upbeat walrus]

yes

ok I’m gonna use 1.3, 1.4/hyper seems a bit too silly

[stone rune]

yea for more serious sort of stuff hyper is way too crazy

hyper is just like fun

[upbeat walrus]

I can imagine that. maybe I’ll honestly download all 3

actually nah

[main talon]

I have never used lambient plume yet

[upbeat walrus]

because like, if I was playing casual I wouldn’t care

[agile basin]

I died to asterius right after getting long nukle

[deep scroll]

40 heat is brutal

[stone rune]

rip

[upbeat walrus]

I only used it to level it up for steam achievement and to get rush delivery offered

[upbeat walrus]

gg :(

I just did my first 40 Heat yesterday :^)

died at asterius the attempt before I won

lesson being you’ll get em next time

[latent moon]

Yeah I haven't touched hyper yet lmao

[main talon]

Demeter most underwhelming god

[upbeat walrus]

I honestly thought so at first but some of her stuff is great imo

[stone rune]

meh

cast sucks

call meh

bad dash

[upbeat walrus]

Well yea

[stone rune]

ok %

[upbeat walrus]

but fun factor I mean

[main talon]

Considering you have to reach the final boss for her to show up shes underwhelming af

[upbeat walrus]

true but I’m also glad they didn’t make her blatantly the strongest either

[main talon]

Thats athena

[upbeat walrus]

I probably agree just because of divine dash

[stone rune]

pos:

zeus:

aph:

[upbeat walrus]

yes but divine dash

[main talon]

Negating damage is just too powerful in any game

[stone rune]

but tidal dash

[upbeat walrus]

that’s fair actually

[main talon]

I dont find tidal dash that good but prolly I dont know how to use it

[autumn rose]

bro tidal dash ain't what makes pos good

[stone rune]

yea it is

it's like his singular best boon

other than maybe flood flare

[autumn rose]

u can absolutely fry anything with wall slam boons and knockback on ur attack

[upbeat walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087386688105488495/1129138371860631593/IMG_0053.jpg

no bias

[stone rune]

tempest strike sucks

worst attack in the game

[autumn rose]

cap

large cap

[upbeat walrus]

this

[autumn rose]

even

[main talon]

same with tidal dash but you can still have a good attack boon

[stone rune]

what is worse

njot a single thing

[upbeat walrus]

you can’t hit twice in a row

it works it’s just slow as hell and if you’re playing slow there’s still better options

[main talon]

Arti aid best aid hands down

[autumn rose]

ill make tempest strike vid to show yall one day 🙏

[stone rune]

what

it's a worse aph aid

[autumn rose]

Last time I had a wall slam build with it I was 1 shotting elysium champs in hades arena

[upbeat walrus]

I mean, it’s great at full charge, same with aphro, but without full charge it sucks (ie most standard encounters)

[stone rune]

but yeah

zeus call is better

dio call is better

[upbeat walrus]

Zeus call is great

prob my favorite one to take

[autumn rose]

35% crit chance

With some poms it's surely better

Or can be anyway

[stone rune]

which makes it 1700

[autumn rose]

Aphros max isn't affected by poms tho

[upbeat walrus]

is it 10 arrows of 100 dmg with 35% crit chance?

[stone rune]

why are you pomming your call if it's not dio

[stone rune]

yea

[autumn rose]

Bro poms are important for calls

[upbeat walrus]

I’ll Pom a Zeus call sometimes

[autumn rose]

Get ur zeus lightning from 50 to like 89 with like 2

[upbeat walrus]

or arty if I have it

[stone rune]

you pom zeus call once or twice

[upbeat walrus]

though I normally just wouldn’t pick it

I rly like hades call

[upbeat walrus]

don’t look at this screenshot where it’s my third most used boon

[stone rune]

dad call is good

[main talon]

Yeah hades call is good

[upbeat walrus]

what is y’all’s most used god boon?

[stone rune]

flood flare

[mint coral]

Tidal dash probably

[upbeat walrus]

oh

I meant

god keepsake

whoops

[stone rune]

conch shell

[upbeat walrus]

nice nice

[main talon]

hold up lemme just get these greatswords to kill me to check

[grand osprey]

Dionysus
I am addicted to Dio's special on Chiron bow

[upbeat walrus]

that’s fair

[stone rune]

hope someday science figures out how to make chiron deal damage

[upbeat walrus]

mine is Athena, I honestly have no idea how

oh it’s prob because of me wanting divine dash in asphodel

[grand osprey]

Yeah the damage of the bow special in general sucks
But you can max out hangover stacks with 1 button, even with the aphro duo boon

[stone rune]

most of my runs dont get to aspho

queue vod of 2 hours of resetting in tart

[main talon]

pressure points

[upbeat walrus]

based as hell

[main talon]

beating strong drink by 4

[stone rune]

wh

how is it not like a core

[upbeat walrus]

do you think anyone’s most used boon is the fishing legendary

[stone rune]

no

[main talon]

no

[upbeat walrus]

;(

[stone rune]

it has prereqs

actually wait

the game forces it on you one time right

[main talon]

but you get one for free

[grand osprey]

Yeah

[stone rune]

so it's theoretically possible

but also annoying

[upbeat walrus]

you need to have ocean’s bounty or sunken treasure plus conch shell

[grand osprey]

My most used boon is ofc drunken flourish
Followed by heartbreak strike and Ddash

[upbeat walrus]

well I guess it’s two of the following

[main talon]

whats yalls most used hammer

[upbeat walrus]

that’s fair

[upbeat walrus]

sudden rush

[stone rune]

charged shot

[main talon]

mines richo fire

[grand osprey]

Relentless volley

[upbeat walrus]

charged shot is in 5th for me

[stone rune]

conc is better

[upbeat walrus]

it’ll be first soon enough tho

[grand osprey]

That's number 2

[upbeat walrus]

apparently I’ve gotten huge catch twice

[stone rune]

conc doubles spec damage

[upbeat walrus]

I really do not remember getting it besides the free one

[stone rune]

relentless increases by 50%

once you have conc if you get relentless it doubles it again

[main talon]

what the most used keepsake for you?

[stone rune]

conch shell

feel like for 90% of people it's conch shell or ares

[grand osprey]

Yeah I have relentless used 6 times and conc 5

[main talon]

Bone hourglass for me

[upbeat walrus]

based as hell

[grand osprey]

Acorn
Yes I'm scared of bosses

[stone rune]

i use hourglass in ely if i can but 99% of my runs dont get to ely

[grand osprey]

Mainly the last one but yeah

[main talon]

All my runs were I was stuck in tartirus I used bone hourglass

[upbeat walrus]

I have 106 clears.
I’ve used battie 82/106 times
I’ve used Acorn 70/106 times

[stone rune]

idk how many clears i have

i probably have a few thousand runs at this point

[upbeat walrus]

I just went in permanent record and counted up all clears from all 6 weapons

[grand osprey]

I have 20 clears total lmao
Not nearly as many as you
Nvm I suck at math

[main talon]

15 clears

[stone rune]

i wipe my save every new session

[upbeat walrus]

ah

[stone rune]

keeps it from lagging

[upbeat walrus]

ye I heard about that

[grand osprey]

That loading time glitch must be a pain in the ass for long-time players

[upbeat walrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087386688105488495/1129142498133024828/IMG_0054.jpg

guys what aspect is your most used

[stone rune]

new speedrun modpack has a feature where u just gotta summon 5 times in courtyard to clear save

[agile basin]

wait, so your telling me the 2 whole seconds it takes to load the training chmaber is because I have 700 atepms?

[upbeat walrus]

that’s rly cool

[stone rune]

yea

[main talon]

Hestia

[grand osprey]

Do I really need to say that it's Chiron?

[upbeat walrus]

fair

[stone rune]

beo

[upbeat walrus]

hestia and beo are based

[agile basin]

I thought the long load was because the upscale I did to make the game prettier lol

[grand osprey]

Hestia is second

[stone rune]

i think i used to like chiron

idk

[main talon]

hestia makes the game a point and click adventure

[stone rune]

cant stand it now tho

[stone rune]

are u on kbm

[mint coral]

Is hard to not like chiron at some point

[upbeat walrus]

I really dislike Chiron

[main talon]

nah

[stone rune]

o

[upbeat walrus]

never have liked it

I’m on kbm

[main talon]

but it sounds cool

[stone rune]

on kbm you can just take out the point

all you have to do is click

[grand osprey]

If you pull off hangover with ares and aphro duo boons you just melt everything

[stone rune]

i think the easier way of melting everything is using beo

[upbeat walrus]

yeah but like at that point might as well use beo

yep ^^

[grand osprey]

Don't have it
New player struggles

[main talon]

Runs of trying to find merciful end but not getting it: 2

[stone rune]

jarvis pull up the heroes clip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1127395567136423936/soundslikekrillissue.mp4

[upbeat walrus]

ok me jazz and bananas are gonna mold you into a beo main @grand osprey

[mint coral]

Even for hangover I have more fun with eris lol

+75% bonus dmg moment

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1112264803218640906/image.png

From 1.5 months ago lmao

On my modded save

[upbeat walrus]

same top 3!

[grand osprey]

I've seen videos of beo, seems fun

[main talon]

Wut

[upbeat walrus]

switched 2 and 3 but still

[latent moon]

Lmao nice

[stone rune]

jarvis bring up the dad clip

[latent moon]

Big boom is always fun

[latent moon]

What

[upbeat walrus]

if every aspect but beo got removed I would still play this game

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1129143704620384317/begonefather.mp4

[main talon]

rama feels to slow for me

[upbeat walrus]

rama with stacked Zeus is free win

[latent moon]

Playing rama normally is also a free win lmao

[stone rune]

not on that one 50 heat attempt i did yesterday

[upbeat walrus]

fair

[main talon]

rama just boring for me

[stone rune]

its very different

[grand osprey]

That is a fast dad kill

[main talon]

so is spear

[grand osprey]

I'm still at the point where I actually have to try to kill dad
What am I talking about my highest heat is 10

[stone rune]

i die at dad too sometimes

nem and achilles lol

[main talon]

4 keys for that thing is daylight robbery

[stone rune]

achilles:

[main talon]

Yeah I know achilles aspect is goated

but thats 1 titans blood

[grand osprey]

Yeah I said that and then took that back
I'm on a 15 win streak because I was to scared to up the heat or something
EM4 dad was one of the most fun boss fights I've ever beaten in any game

[main talon]

That I could save for maxing out my rail aspects

[stone rune]

yea back when i was new i went up to 12 heat 1 at a time but then at 12 i did fo1

and nearly died

so i just did 12 0 heat in a row

[stone rune]

achilles is better than luci and zagrail

[main talon]

Yeah

but

Fully maxed infernal arm pretty big flex

[upbeat walrus]

I hate Lucifer tbh

[main talon]

Same here

[upbeat walrus]

I like can’t clear with it

[stone rune]

just needs triple bomb

basically clockets but 3/4 of clockets but in your first hammer

[grand osprey]

I just maxed out Chiron and Hestia and basically play those two exclusively
I only have 3 alternate aspects total
I should probably try some others

[stone rune]

do nem and achilles

[main talon]

I maxed hera,eris and hestia

[upbeat walrus]

@stone rune btw. when the thing says courtyard is that the area near the chef and the entrance to your room

[stone rune]

courtyard is where u select weapons and keepsake

[elder nebula]

Aye guys is there a point for collecting darkness after you maxed out everything you want in the mirror?

[upbeat walrus]

oh got it

[stone rune]

no

worst blue laurel

well

there is the thing

[upbeat walrus]

unseen one

[stone rune]

the ranks

but ranks are fake

[upbeat walrus]

they are fully indicative of your skill

.

[grand osprey]

Yeah I'm eyeing Achilles next

[stone rune]

and hera

[grand osprey]

The damage boost from Achilles is global right?
That probably makes for some OP builds

[upbeat walrus]

it’s attack or cast

[stone rune]

no

only attack/cast

[upbeat walrus]

I like Achilles hunting blades

[grand osprey]

Achilles just seems like shield but better for me
Shield was the first weapon 1 beat dad with

[grand osprey]

Oh

I never did a cast build before
Might be fun

[stone rune]

if it was global it’d be the hands down best wep in the game with no contest

[upbeat walrus]

shield but better is just beo

[stone rune]

cast builds are the strongest in the game

[upbeat walrus]

aaaaaa

[grand osprey]

Using cast is hard for me idk why

I basically only use it for the damage bonus in bossfights

[upbeat walrus]

@stone rune what does it mean when it says /Hades/content folder

[stone rune]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hades\Content

[upbeat walrus]

awesome

just type that in ig?

[stone rune]

are u on steam

[upbeat walrus]

yea

[stone rune]

just right click hadea

manaage

browse local files

[upbeat walrus]

yea

[stone rune]

and htne

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