h1-discussion

[mint coral]

if you mean if you will gain a 2nd dd, only if your sd slot is empty as usual

so yeah 2 dds + sd can be obtained

[limpid ocean]

sea storm!

[mint coral]

what even is your poseidon core

[limpid ocean]

got 3 rerolls to get clouded judgment, if I get it I think I win

[mint coral]

cast?

[limpid ocean]

cast

[mint coral]

it procs off attack at least ig

[limpid ocean]

yeah and i got rupture lv3

and jolted

[mint coral]

do you have double strike

[limpid ocean]

no

[mint coral]

wait you still have zeus call right

if yes, roll for double strike

[limpid ocean]

yeah that's the plan

I have +20% block and +400% armor

2nd one worthless

got it

white

[mint coral]

is bugged

[limpid ocean]

satyr too so 7.5 for hades

[mint coral]

% is way more than it shows

no pom in shop btw?

[limpid ocean]

yeah but I don't have enough money

[mint coral]

oh well

that's more than enough

[limpid ocean]

and doing zeus now because I still got styx dark w/ a 3rd stubborn defiance

I am doing em4 though

[mint coral]

oh

how many encounters left on styx dark

[limpid ocean]

6

[mint coral]

you mean to do an extra tunnel?

also the athena dds are not stubborn defiances

if you proc them they wont refill

[limpid ocean]

right I didn't do any extra tunnels

I choked and lost during phase 3

I skill issued

[mint coral]

happens

em4 moment

what were the summons?

[limpid ocean]

summons?

[mint coral]

dad summons

[limpid ocean]

I do think I win with tidal dash instead of dd

oh

[mint coral]

also what keepsake were you using

[limpid ocean]

I killed them too fast to remember loll

I remember some of the stone guys

meg

[mint coral]

not companion

keepsake as in acorn/tooth/etc

[compact dawn]

I hate Sweet Nectar

Always triggers late and bloats the Duos so it’s less likely I get the one I want

[limpid ocean]

I had the acorn

[limpid ocean]

I tend to typically get it early

so good when early but otherwise I try to purge it whenever I get it late

[umbral bloom]

||the rankings don’t do anything right||

[mint coral]

purely cosmetic yeah

[umbral bloom]

Ty

[autumn rose]

Is the bull rush classified as attack for shield

For exampl if I take empowering flight it says after ur special hits the next 2 attacks do more damage

Does that include bull rushes

Nvm found out

[autumn rose]

I've been missing touch of styx and flame wheels release from the well for ages do I have to have something in particular beforehand to be able to unlock them

[sour fog]

for touch of styx you need stubborn defiance mirror choice

nothing needed for flame wheels release but I'm guessing you have to be in Elysium

[mint coral]

Yeah elysium only

[pastel monolith]

i wish there was a way to test boons and hammers on skelly

[limpid ocean]

so, last night I attempted 36 heat which was the same pact as 32 heat I had previously cleared a few days prior, only with em4 instead of em3 and died to em4 hades, mainly skill issue and just played poorly during that fight (also first em4 hades fight in 6 months for me). I had hard labor on 20%.

My other option for 36 would be increasing hard labor from 20 to 100% and increasing lasting consequences by 1 point (pretty sure I had it at 0%). Do you guys think that route is harder than just increasing em3 to em4?

[pastel monolith]

i think em4 is very hard

the only harder pact is the routine inspection

[mint coral]

Learning lc4 + sd is easier than learning em4 tbh

[pastel monolith]

i agree, especially with stubborn defiance

oh u said that lol

[mint coral]

Also if hl is at 20% I assume this is fo2?

[pastel monolith]

id go max deadline and just no jury summons or calisthetics. no routine inspection, no em4.. everything else can be maxed to whatever gets u 36.. except damage control depending on ur weapons

ap2 is a real gamble also

ap1 is usualy fine tho

[mint coral]

Wait @limpid ocean you are using stubborn defiance but not lc4?

[pastel monolith]

i started doing stubborn exclusively no matter what for a while
just to get used to it

[mint coral]

I mean their run was em4

But at the same time they got lucky andgt both athena dds and styx dark so that was basically the same as dds

[limpid ocean]

lc4?

[mint coral]

Lasting consequences 4

No healing

[limpid ocean]

I didn't consider that

I thought lasting consequences was super hard to deal with

[mint coral]

Lc4 and using sd when needing to heal is a pretty good strategy

Just gotta get more cleaner boss fights

[limpid ocean]

but now I see how that's definitely preferable over hard labor

[mint coral]

But that's 4 heat that doesn't go into em4

[limpid ocean]

does sd not heal with lc4 though?

[mint coral]

It does

Dds/sd both work

[limpid ocean]

for full amount?

[mint coral]

Yeah

[limpid ocean]

What if I have styx dark?

[mint coral]

Same

+80% hp on sd proc

[pastel monolith]

healing is no big deal when using stubborn defiance.. its awesome
just the challenge is get good enough that u never die more than once in a single room

[mint coral]

Or get athena dds

[pastel monolith]

and theres a trick with athena to get extra DDs even with stubborn defiance

ya

[mint coral]

And not forgetting to when you used your sd already

So you dont commit egg

[pastel monolith]

and when u less than 30% health so u intentionally take a death befor the encounter is finished lol

it has its challenges too for sure.. like u pretty much really need patty and or some athena dds if u wana survive the hades fight

[limpid ocean]

oh I do that all the time with sd already

it's so damn useful

[mint coral]

Yeah if you already know about athena dds/proccing sd to go back to your hp threshold lc4 aint much different

https://tenor.com/view/haelian-mistake-hades-egg-gif-19288124

Also for context on egg

[pastel monolith]

im quite good at the regular non em4 hades fight now .. when i do higher heat runs witbout em4 all i need to do is make it to hades and i consider myself home free

but em4 is scary to me still.. ive been doing pretty random fun runs at like 23 heat on em4 and just focusing on winning that last fight.. i stil lose like almost half the time

[limpid ocean]

that's how I am except still getting used to hades with fo2

[pastel monolith]

ya fo2 is a big deal as well even regulsr hades

i wanted to get used to f02 all the time but its just annoyong sometimes.. i prefer fo1 lol

fo2 em4 is a death sentence

[mint coral]

Em4 fun fight but def wouldnt pick it if I wanna win lol

[limpid ocean]

^

[pastel monolith]

ya thats my thinking .. i dont care if i win anymore so i just always put on em4 and try to get used to it

phase 1 is the hardest

phase 2 pretty easy

phase 3 isnt too bad its just chaotic

and stressful if im running low on hp

[mint coral]

Like look what I needed for 45 em4

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/952206280137777242/2022031211051700-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg

[pastel monolith]

what aspect was that

well done btw

[mint coral]

Zag shield

[pastel monolith]

im guessing it was zeus?

oh wow zag

but why

[mint coral]

Charged shot

I suck at controlling zeus

[mint coral]

• this was when Angel was going crazy with the heat records on zag shield

[pastel monolith]

charge shot rules

[mint coral]

So I just tried it and worked like a charm

Pretty sure I only have beo 40 too lol

[pastel monolith]

its funny how thst works

when haelian was going for his like 54 heat or whatever number hes at.. where he was breaking his pb like every other day

watching him attempt such high heat made me better

my pb went from like 36 to 43

[mint coral]

The only sad thing I feel from those zag shield runs was that I also was hyped seeing damue clear with it

That was disappointing

[autumn rose]

thanku

[mint coral]

That cat emote is always funny to see

[pastel monolith]

when u get that thing from the well that prevents flame wheels from spawning..
does that just make other enemies spawn instead? or does it sort of skip a wave or part of a wave of enemies making the next encounter shorter

[mint coral]

Prettt sure it replaces

[pastel monolith]

ya thats what i figured

i never take that.. i tend to like the flame wheels

they are annoying if u actualy try to hit them.. but i find it easy enough to just dash back and forth around some obstacle and let them all kamikaze themselves

works like a charm

but i cant figure out how to hit them with a melee weapon and not get hurt myself

sonetimes i can sometimes incant.. maybe its harder when they have armor idk.. i just use my strategy every time its so reliable and easy and its pretty fast usualy too

[mint coral]

Yeah walls are the safest strategy

If they are unarmored pretty sure a high confidence/25% family favorites base cast one shots them

Or legit just grab zeus cast if possible

That thing is goated

[pastel monolith]

ive been really trying to mix up my style and strategies lately

one thing ive been experimting with is taking chaos egg in asphodel

just bc asphodel i never rly know what to take

and chaos is cool bc it makes u get better chaos stuff

my keepsake is always
coinpurse first
asphodel is where i can pick anything i want
then always hourglass for elysium
in styx usualy switch to tooth or acorn but sometimes keep the hourglass if im confident in my hp

hourglass can be super effective sometimes.. especially in styx when u can get lucky and multiple wells

and roll for more well options

i didnt realize how amazing hourglass can be till pretty recently

[mint coral]

Hourglass my beloved

The most I've taken egg is forthe memes tbh

Like a random run and not em4 maybe I'll just take egg in styx lmao

[pastel monolith]

its perfect for elysium because u still have it in the shop before styx and wheatevr u get there usualy carries on to the hades fight

[pastel monolith]

haha thats just showing off

question for fists.. lets say zag fists..
whats the strategy of attack vs special.. i tend to neglect special entirely and just use attack combo and dashhes

[mint coral]

Dem fists?

[pastel monolith]

but should i be adding a special at the end of my Attack combos maybe?

obviously with the cutter move its clear

[mint coral]

Special has more use at the start of a run

[pastel monolith]

but just regular fists

[mint coral]

With high confidence you one shot a few enemies

Wait not high confidence

Fiery presence

On ME runs you can fit both a dash strike and a dash upper into one dash too

Good while waiting for div8ne dash

[pastel monolith]

good tip thx

i never use the fist where the special pulls guys in.. talos i think ?

it confuses me with bosses

[mint coral]

Worstlos

[pastel monolith]

i loved it when I first unlocked it but now I never use it

[mint coral]

Special is laggier than the others

Is technically a cast weapon but not really good at it

Can be fun with heavy knuckle to take advantage of the attack bonus ig

[pastel monolith]

it would probably be great with the snowburst aphro cast combo and p status

maybe ill try that later

does priveleges status count for the first hit that gives the status?

u know what im trying to ask? like.. if someone is chilled and then u shoot one aphro arrow at them.. does that hit count as p.status?

or only after they already have 2 status debuffa

[limpid ocean]

Is 3 or 4 the max possible Hermes boons in a run?

[mint coral]

3 if you get the 3rd hermes to show up in styx

Normally 2

[mint coral]

I know this works for like doom (weak already and then you inflict doom the doom will be buffed)
Not sure on how it works with like chill + weak tho

[latent moon]

Nope

They have to have the status inflicted first before it gets the bonus damage

So for snurst passion flare beo, the first cast won't get the bonus damage but the one after will get buffed

[dire tendon]

the cshot hits before the flare right

so you could put heartbreak strike or jolted or rupture on the atk

which might be useful for fitting mirage into that build

but unfortunately arty attack isnt reliable enough so you'd use pos 💀

[pastel monolith]

got it

thx everyone

i remember hearing that with hera.. and athena cast.. the cast usualy ends up hitting as backstab damage..
i wana try a run focusing on backstab damage and see how crazy i can get it

[dire tendon]

i recommend you try to go for greater recall hermes legendary if you don't mind losing some damage

because those casts are going to narnia if you overstack or miss

quick reload 1st hermes > greater recall 2nd could work

[mint coral]

Wanna know one thing even funnier about backstabs?

Than can backstab if enemy has exposed

[limpid ocean]

Zeus sheild, Zeus special, Zeus call, Zeus cast, Zeus legendary, + jolted. I think all purple somehow. High voltage or clouded judgment?

Or storm lightning?

[mint coral]

Clouded judgement is the only one doing smth there

[limpid ocean]

Thanks

Another Zeus now

Either white billowing strength or purple storm lightning

Is storm lightning for cast only?

[latent moon]

And attack

So only cast for you yeah

Billowing strength is pretty good tho

[limpid ocean]

Or the legendary too?

Thanks

[pastel monolith]

is than the only summon that can be affected by other status effects and boons?

prety sure it was haelian
.. i saw a run once where a than summon did a ridiculous amount of damage.. like 13000 or something absurd like that

it was probably back stab but also hyper delivery or somethin

i never use anything but meg.. and shes always 2500

[mint coral]

Hyper delivery doesnt work on summons

[latent moon]

Oh no clue about that tbh lol

[pastel monolith]

maybe it was eris?

[mint coral]

Cuz that makes zag do more dmg

Summons aint zag

[latent moon]

I know the atk and cast are prereqs for storm lightning tho

[mint coral]

Same as rd

[latent moon]

Sweet surrender and maim buff summons

[mint coral]

You need global buffs that say "enemy takes more damage"

[latent moon]

Yeah

[mint coral]

Targetting system too

[latent moon]

Oh right

[limpid ocean]

I didn't get patrocles in elysium

I fear that's gonna be what causes this run to fail if I do

[mint coral]

Athena dds at least?

[limpid ocean]

But then again normal hades

[pastel monolith]

normal hades is easy.. only hard part is the adds

once u learn the timing of dodging his spin attack ... u can hurt him real bad aftet that

the pots are annoying but maneagable.. the lazer move is super easy .. just gota watch his spear toss and his casts

its easy for me to say.. ive played regular hades without em4 so many times its easy to me now... and watching vorime do it with 0 upgrades or boons

[limpid ocean]

I beat him didn't even use dd

Ninja adds

Just used position call when in sticky spot

I had 5 purple Zeus boons and the legendary

And in Styx I had a Zeus at the shop and a minibusses Zeus chamber and actually opted not to do them because I already got every beneficial boon I could get (except posideon call instead but not worth for low % heroic)

[errant dawn]

does chain-lightening pair with the jolted effect?

[mint coral]

Do you mean if chain lightning effcts will inflict jolted?

Or if buffs to chain lightning will affect jolted

[limpid ocean]

Can blizzard shot be stacked with mirage?

I already have mirage and I'm posideon/ zeus/demeter/artemis

[errant dawn]

yeah, if it will inflict it. seemed pretty busted so i second guessed whether that was the case

another question i have is if doom damage gets buffed by weapon damage upgrates. (if attack gets plus 15% will the doom an attack inflicts be increased by 15% as well)

[limpid ocean]

Pretty sure it doesn't

[pastel monolith]

doom is it's own thing.. separate from attack damage

for doom u basically just want impending doom and a couple poms on it and whatever boon inflicts the doom

merciful end of course when appropriate

question : how does it work if u have 2 things with doom.. and u hit the same enemy with both.... does it go by the last one u hit with like hangover?

[mint coral]

Ye

[mint coral]

Jolted gets i flicting by any lightning boon so yeah it works with all zeus cores

[split crow]

One thing I wish for is I could go high heat right away and get bounties for all previous heat tiers.

[mint coral]

Pretty sure there is a mod that does that at least

[limpid ocean]

I ended up with crystal clarity mirage shot instead, run was so easy

had +4 duration on the cast too, with achillies I just hid behind the rock and the cast owned Hades so hard

[mint coral]

Meme beams runs gone right are hilarious

[pastel monolith]

stygian souls.. extra cast or 2 from chaos and charon .. hermes to make ur cast recharge faster...
glacial glare + as many poms as u can find..

mirage shot

it can get absurd

unlimited neverending beams

i swear ive had at least 10 beams at once

its one of my favorite meme builds and when it goes it GOES

[tall holly]

meme beam prolly one of my favorite meme builds

personally I think it's kinda annoying because you need some specific boons to actually make it work well

[mint coral]

yeah an average/bad meme beans is like awful

[formal citrus]

Average beams keeps turning out pretty well for me

Or ive gotten super lucky with it like 10 times in a row.

[mint coral]

hmm I worder that wrong

bad meme runs are def awful

[formal citrus]

Average beams being Achilles with art attack as a back up is neat

[mint coral]

average beams are just boring

[formal citrus]

And effective for me lol

Has me doing my highest heat to keep it interesting.

[pastel monolith]

unless im doing a "cast build" i avoid demeter or ares casts bc they ruin the whole boiling blood thing

pretty much only reason i ever use cast on a "normal run" is bc extra damage when ur cast is stuck in them

i could be dumb and wrong.. and pls let me know if i am.. but ..i general cast is kinda useless other than the extra damage.. unless ur doing a whole cast build

[mint coral]

nah

you are spot on in cast usage lol

sometimes taking a random cast like zeus/pos/athena can do wonders

first is just general AoE, second is just pair with breaking wave and athena's is a big deflect hitbox

[pastel monolith]

i like artemis cast bc its basically a better version of normal cast

[mint coral]

sometimes you can take a cast to open a duo boon too

Like some ME runs that already have ME so you are free to take true shot and open deadly reversal

[pastel monolith]

good point

[errant dawn]

the grenade gun with the rocket and multi shot mod is incredible....

oml, things just evaporate

[pastel monolith]

i feel similar for calls.. only like 2 are good the rest i just use for their i frames

for calls to me..
it's.
1 zeus
2. dio
3. zeus again lol.. but maybe poseidan tho

poseidan call rules. it gets u out of bad spots and actually does some decent damage too

every other call is dog poo

[mint coral]

dad call for speedruns too

also yeah poseidon's call is fun

rip current moment

[stone rune]

athena call is pog

[tender solstice]

hades dating sim spinoff when

[stone rune]

it’s called Hades

[tender solstice]

never heard of it

[woeful lotus]

Needs a few more options to qualify as a dating sim tho

[peak carbon]

What's the best cast for beowulf

Aphrodite has been letting me down lol

[raw herald]

Poseidon is good, big AOE and easy mirage shot access

[peak carbon]

Mirage shot?

[gray apex]

Artemis Poseidon duo

It’s bugged on Beowulf to do 100% on the second shot instead of 30%

[peak carbon]

Oh fr???

Wait does beowulf cast damage drop off

[gray apex]

What are you implying by that

[peak carbon]

Well you said the second shot does 30 normally

Is that universal or just for mirage shot

[gray apex]

Mirage Shot is the only boon that makes your Cast fire twice

To be clear, for all flares the second shot does 100%. For everything else it's 30%

[peak carbon]

I don't think I've ever had mirage shot

So I didn't know

I wish beowulf wasn't so god damned slow though

[gray apex]

It takes some getting used to

Has a learning curve

Cast weapons are punishing

But it's probably the overall fastest weapon in the game

[peak carbon]

Slow like, it takes me forever to kill with it

I am crushing it with the fists lately I've gotten two clears with them

[gray apex]

Are you starting with Flood Flrae/ Passion Flare and pomming it as much as possible?

[peak carbon]

I'm going with passion, not pomming

I should rly pom ig

But I like to go for health more

[gray apex]

Well if you kill things you wouldnt need to tank

So poms over health until you have a lv5-6 cast

Poms are crucial for your build

Flood flare is more consistent because you can get Mirage more easily but Passion Flare is more independent because its own damage is good enough without Mirage

[peak carbon]

I love to tank :(

[gray apex]

Well beowulf is a shield

So you can just block

Instead

[peak carbon]

I'll pom the hell out of it tho ty

[peak carbon]

True but I am also slow at reacting yknow

So I mash dodge and forget I have a shield

[stone rune]

heard it’s not with slicing

[median knot]

what is the best weapon as of starters: shield, spear, sword, bow, guantlets?

[gray apex]

Whatever you feel comfortable with, they're all viable and there is no best in all contexts. Some are tougher to play optimally but I mean most starters don't play optimally so just play whatever you want.

[median knot]

I heard that you could change the variation of the weapon and if so, how do I do that?

[gray apex]

Once you buy all the base weapons using keys you unlock aspects.

[median knot]

tbh i feel like sheild is the best

it has a rly good aspect of blocking ranged aspects

which is crucial for me

[peak carbon]

Sword :)

Get self healing from daedalus hammer with the sword and you're sorted

You don't need to block when you're good at dodging

[median knot]

I only the have the first variation of every weapon

[peak carbon]

Which if you keep playing, you will be

The first aspect of sword is good

You can get a hammer effect where your health is reduced but you self heal and its great

[median knot]

I only have the first variation of each weapon

So is sword still better as of the the variay

Variation

[peak carbon]

In my opinion, yes

[limpid ocean]

how exactly does hyper sprint + rush delivery combo work?

[latent moon]

Rd is an 50/75/100/125% more damage based on movement speed

So after you dash you get a window of time where you deal more damage

Basically all weapons abuse dash strikes anyways and you should be dashing a lot so it's a near 100% uptime

[peak carbon]

Chamber 14 and I only got 2 boons

Total bs

[mint coral]

No dark foresight moment?

[peak carbon]

I have the one that lets me reroll boon options

[mint coral]

Thats fated persuasion

Dark foresight is the opposite skill of olympian favor @peak carbon

[peak carbon]

Oh I'm not sure which i have there

My bottom two in the mirror are green the rest is red

[latent moon]

Yeah that's not dark foresight

Dark foresight or Olympian favor is 3rd from the bottom

[peak carbon]

I have the red one

I find hammers help a lot I guess that's why I chose dark foresight

[mint coral]

Red???

[strong ridge]

red

[peak carbon]

Is it not red

I'm a bit colourblind

[strong ridge]

prpl/grn

maby not the best choices for the primary ability mechanic of the game looking back on it

[peak carbon]

Is it Purple

I remember it as red

[strong ridge]

first option is prpl second one green

[peak carbon]

Then purple

Is what I have

Idk why I thought its red

[strong ridge]

this maby idk

[mint coral]

I always seen the discussion of green vs yellow mirror

First time seeing red

[peak carbon]

No, I'm not that colourblind

Only a tad

[mint coral]

But anyways
If you have dark foresight already then just rip lol

[peak carbon]

Yeah I guess I should change it for beo

Beo doesn't have great hammers

[strong ridge]

charg shot heresy

[latent moon]

Dark foresight is the green one

[limpid ocean]

is it just me or are the sisters harder than lernie with em'

[latent moon]

I mean furies is like a build check lmao

But lernie tends to be harder most of the time

[peak carbon]

Lernie is kind of not hard at all

But the furies with em throw me off

Em lernie I'm getting used to though

[limpid ocean]

I definitely had the right stuff for my build

poseidon aspect

aph cast (although white)
ares special w/ bigger aoe hammer
hold to cast
chaos boon +1 cast

ares call (just to fill slot)

but I had barely any health

[mint coral]

Crush shot rarity doesn't matter that much

Epic is like 110 at lvl 1 iirc

[peak carbon]

Theseus took my health and dd's

Fuming

[limpid ocean]

I have aph cast in asphodel rn with exit wounds but artemis is offering me heroic cast. damage only goes down from 202 to 172. I'm kind of tempted here

[limpid ocean]

does flayed defiance add another dd if I'm running stubborn instead of dd?

can't find the interaction anywhere by googling

[latent moon]

bad trade tbh lol a 30 damage drop is pretty significant

granted there's a crit chance but 10% is kinda eh

also the cast not droping where the arrow is can be inconvenient

[latent moon]

yeah you'll get a DD under your SD

SD will always be used first

[limpid ocean]

it saved me for champions

I had the chaos boon active for 14 second bloodstone pickup on my build and it was a long ass fight

[errant dawn]

is charm duration the same as weak duration? (if i buff weak duration will it buff charm duration)

[mint coral]

For the legendary boon no. It's a set duration
If you have aphro call and pom it that will increase its duration
Also on bosses it only lasts for 1/3rd of its duration

[errant dawn]

also, idk if this is intentional, but quake cutter cancels out if you press dash before you land

[errant dawn]

thanks 👍

[limpid ocean]

I swear merciful end has a lower % to show up than any other duo in the game

[latent moon]

i haven't used quake cutter ever since i got the prophecy done but that sounds about right tbh

for the double nova hammer on the sword, you can cancel the second nova hit if you dash between the timings

so not surprised that quake cutter works the same way

[astral walrus]

there is colorblind mode for Hades i heard

[latent moon]

it's a mod

the game itself doesn't have any colorblindness feature afaik

the unmodded leaderboard allows the color blind mod, so there shouldn't be a colorblind feature in game

[worthy panther]

I am new

[stone rune]

hi

[worthy panther]

where are the roles :>

[stone rune]

if u havent seen the credits consider #h1-for-new-players

[stone rune]

#bot-commands

[stone rune]

i have reached 350 hour

[mint coral]

wait just reached 350 hrs?

Thought you had more

[latent moon]

Jazz has like 100 hours less than me lmao

And she's gotten a lot farther in speedrunning than I have but prob because she started speedrunning earlier

[wheat marten]

i beat charon for the first time 🙂

[stone rune]

a lot farther: 5 seconds

[latent moon]

Well other aspects

[stone rune]

you’ve played like 20 more aspects than me

[latent moon]

You're much better at like nem, Achilles, hestia, etc

[stone rune]

there’s no etc it’s just those lol

[latent moon]

Dem fists

[stone rune]

i’ve played like

10 runs total

[latent moon]

And by extension zag fists

I mean you have a sub8

Or 7

[stone rune]

i’m sure you would pull out a sub7 dem quickly

[stone rune]

good seed

[latent moon]

I think I barely got sub9 lmao

[stone rune]

play hyper lol

makes u better

[latent moon]

No thanks

[stone rune]

is so fun

[latent moon]

852 Dem fists lmao

[stone rune]

i got like a 73x or 72x or something

maybe i’ll try poggers splash start

[latent moon]

Cod fists goes kinda hard ngl

But I don't feel like grinding ME tbh

[stone rune]

do zap

[latent moon]

Disgusting

I might

Probably just go for rod I guess

Or smair

[still python]

guys how do i free sisyphus i am currently alpha fixer do i just keep ranking up?

[latent moon]

That's not related to freeing him at all lol

the title ranks are just cosmetic and a resource sink

You need to talk to him more and probably some other people

[real orchid]

should i sneakily buy hades with my parents money

or nah lol

[stone rune]

are you under 13

[real orchid]

im 13 exactly

my ass broke

and it looks like a good game

[stone rune]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/146enpd/my_bestie_and_i_lose_our_minds_over_this_stupidly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

[latent moon]

i mean yeah it is a good game but also unless you're buying a physical version of it with paper money, they'll see the credit card transaction and wonder what that's about

so you're not very likely to get away with it

and also wait for a sale

[real orchid]

i got it lol

but it was on sale

for 18 bucks

[stone rune]

how did you obtain it

[real orchid]

my card

using money that i cant spend

[noble merlin]

I wonder what this guys reaction would be like if he had an actual OP build lol

[stone rune]

your honor, what is the sentence?
beowulf

[noble merlin]

One shotting each phase

[real orchid]

if u miss something in the game can u always come back later to get it?

[rotund galleon]

I wanna play some Zeus stuff

someone recommend me something pls

[mint coral]

Zeus as in the god or the shield aspect

[median knot]

does anyone know how to save

or is there a saving option

in runs

[void vigil]

Game auto saves whenever you enter a room, you can quit before taking damage in a room or after clearing a room (otherwise you will give up instead) or in the house, you can enter a new screen in order to save the game

[median knot]

tysmmm

[rotund galleon]

I don't like the shield, I Want a zeus boon filed lightning overload

[mint coral]

That's any zeus run tbh

zeus gets better the most boons from him you want so like just oick a fast weapon likr fists/rail and take the attack

From there just slap any zeus boon you find
Static discharge-zeus call-double strike-splitting bolt being the most important

If you want to be able to see less of the screen take an aphro core to open up smoldering air and an artemis boon to open lightning rod

[autumn rose]

Can sm1 explain to me how lightning works in this game

Like if I get the lightning buff on my attack say a strike that does 13 damage

Why wud I want that over like just a simple 80% increase or smth from like aphrodite

I know lightning isn't actually bad I just dk how it works entirely

[brisk trail]

it's very good for weapons like the rail that have low base damage but high attack speed, plus zeus has boons that combo with lightning effects to make them stronger

[autumn rose]

I see

Well what do u think about hangover

[mint coral]

Works wells on basically the same weapons that zeus work

And easier to build cuz you only want the hangover boon and poms

Duos/global dmg are akways nice

[brisk trail]

i personally don't pick it up often

usually prefer something like weak or chill, but that's just my taste

[mint coral]

Really depends on the weapon basically

[brisk trail]

ye

[autumn rose]

i neglect demeter

[mint coral]

A weird thing of habgver is that you never want more hangiver inflicting boon

[autumn rose]

she's too mean

[autumn rose]

why :0

[mint coral]

Bc hangver stacks get overwriten by the newest stack you inflict

So for example your attack has a hangover doing 14 dmg per stack and your dash inflicts 2 dmg hangover

Using your attack then your dash will make so hangover does less dmg overall

[errant dawn]

huh. that's weird.

[autumn rose]

Hmm oki

K ty

[mint coral]

This also makes so peer pressure ends up as a totally useless boon lmao

[rotund galleon]

does zeus special have a CD on the lightning?

or is it spammable with THE SPECIAL BOW

[stone rune]

0.2s

so it wont proc multiple times with chiron or rama

still the best rama special though

[autumn rose]

Oh?

[stone rune]

its still good with rama special

and chiron sucks anyways

[autumn rose]

CHRION SUCKS??

[rotund galleon]

CHIRON SUCKS?

THE AUDACITY

[autumn rose]

this greatly upsets me

[rotund galleon]

it must be hard living with that bad taste

[stone rune]

well it's definitely not good

[rotund galleon]

you definitely have bad taste

and I'm being nice

[stone rune]

i'm sure

[autumn rose]

@mint coral thoughts on aspect of chiron?

[brisk trail]

chiron sucks, agreed

least interesting of the bow aspects

[stone rune]

it's not that it's uninteresting

it just doesnt do damage

[autumn rose]

at max it's doing more damage than a perfect shot tho

and specials typically get more damage % increase from boons than attacks

[stone rune]

ok?

it's mega slow

[autumn rose]

plus it's a lot quicker to perform-

i was jus saying how its not

its much quicker to do than charge up another shot

[stone rune]

no it's not lmfao

are you doing standing strikes or something

[autumn rose]

u just press button

perchance

im fairky new okay dont judge me

[stone rune]

well like

[autumn rose]

bow dash strikes feel bad for me

[stone rune]

standing strikes are significantly slower than dash strikes

[autumn rose]

i use dash strikes with everything that isn't bow or gun

[stone rune]

you dont dash with the rail?

[autumn rose]

no

i just keep distance and lightem up

[stone rune]

i mean l9ike

the dash strikes are just

when you press dash while shooting

unless its hestia

[autumn rose]

i cant rember most the aspect names

im using the one that makes the first shot do big damg

[stone rune]

for that one you dash strike because of lunge bonuses

[mint coral]

Funny when first starting the game but I'll never use it again

[autumn rose]

Hmm

[strong ridge]

i wish it wasnt mathematically poop

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779451865399368/1117497574719500288/okzag2.mp4

[latent moon]

What lmao

[mint coral]

Purple guy!?!?

[brisk trail]

i guess myths are confirmed that he's dionysus lmao

the man behind the slaughter (of the wretches of the underworld)

[umbral bloom]

How does the shield block work

You just block anything forever?

Surely not

[stone rune]

i mean

yea

[umbral bloom]

I was hit sometiems but idk why

What

[stone rune]

you block what you aim at

[umbral bloom]

So I can just shield spoiler’s lasers?

[stone rune]

yea

[umbral bloom]

Damn

It way better than I thought

[manic vine]

When it comes to the Dark Reflections prophecy, will it work if I have the thing I need unlocked or do I have to put some darkness in it?

[sour fog]

you need at least one level

for it to count

[manic vine]

Good to know, thanks

[astral walrus]

you can't block aoe attacks though

[umbral bloom]

wdym by aoe

ik you cant block a certain attack from spoiler

[stone rune]

like

have u ever gone against dio in a trial

[umbral bloom]

ah

[stone rune]

the attack on the floor

that's a circle

[umbral bloom]

ik what you mean

[stone rune]

you cant really block a circle

because its a circle

[umbral bloom]

I thought they meant like theseus spear spin or smth

[astral walrus]

alright i joined some roles so no more "they", if you meant me

and no i did not mean theseus spin, it's not an aoe attack

aoe is for instance those circles on the ground from Meg and her sisters

they're nasty yeah you can't block those only dash

there are a lot of aoe attacks from enemies actually, so blocking is not some kind of remedy from taking damage

[stone rune]

i mean it is

[astral walrus]

it's more safe to have more dashes

[stone rune]

99% of the time you can block in a corner and be fine

[astral walrus]

epic greatest reflex

i remember not getting hit once during dad fight with this

and i had fo2 on and Eris

but i also had the acorn so...

but anyway the point stands

[limpid ocean]

Does anyone ever not use acorn for last area? I fell like it's hands down the best thing for that area

[astral walrus]

yeah one of the best, depends on weapon and your build

on Eris i use acorn most of the times

on some other weapons never

[mint coral]

Acorn doesn't care of build

But sometimes I do mix it up by taking sigil of the dad/hourglass

Lucky tooth sometimes if playing em4

[stone rune]

i do in order of commonality dad call, acorn, hourglass, zeus

[peak carbon]

I had olympian favor

[limpid ocean]

Never used dad call before

Is it any good

[stone rune]

it depends

[peak carbon]

Oh maybe I should try dad call

Only going invisible is kind of poopy tho

[stone rune]

it gives you +100% dmg

[peak carbon]

Oh nice

I love that

[autumn rose]

Am I missing something

Or is doom complete ass

[peak carbon]

Doom is amazing

But everything is situational in hades

It depends what weapon, what boons, how you play, etc.

[autumn rose]

How come

[autumn rose]

Well yea

I happen to not like doom with anything tho

[brisk trail]

i love the cat emotes

[autumn rose]

Ikr

[peak carbon]

Doom special on bow is amazing

[stone rune]

mneh

[brisk trail]

[peak carbon]

Doom on lucifer cannon is also amazing

[stone rune]

bow special generally is not very good

the best applications of doom are on fists

where you get ME

[peak carbon]

But it spreads doom yknow

Spreading like, 80dmg across the map is great

[brisk trail]

oof yea

[autumn rose]

why better on fists

[stone rune]

fists have a high attack speed and stun

you can like, do it, on rail but zeus is better there

and also they are melee

so basically you just

get ME

[peak carbon]

Am I dense or is olympian favor giving me LESS boons

[stone rune]

well yeah

dark foresight is the one that gives you more boons

[autumn rose]

what makes that better for doom

can't it only activate once at a time anyway

[stone rune]

thats the point of ME

[peak carbon]

I must have misread dark foresights descriptor

[mint coral]

Dark foresight boosts the chances to see golden laurel rooms

[autumn rose]

i see the problem here
idk what ME stands for

[mint coral]

Aka any run only boost

[peak carbon]

Picture, if you will, the magnetic cutter fist special. You force 3 people to come to you at once and you apply doom to all 3

[stone rune]

ares athena duo

[stone rune]

what

[mint coral]

(poms, boons, hearts, coins, hammers)

[autumn rose]

well thats quite a gamble

[stone rune]

https://youtu.be/J9p7P_5LoAY?t=1114 timestamped this is what ME does

[peak carbon]

Fists special that acts like a magnet

It for some reason, attracts a few people to me

And then I'll just apply doom all at once to a few enemies

[stone rune]

the pull doesnt apply status effects or get boosted by special

[peak carbon]

If you have doom on the special

You apply doom a lot

Is my point

[stone rune]

doom on atk is better

[autumn rose]

okay let's say in the likely scenario u don't get ares athena duo

what then

[stone rune]

get it

[peak carbon]

Disagree

[autumn rose]

[stone rune]

watch the video

u cannot do that on doom spec

[brisk trail]

i don't know anything much of builds but zeus on atk was fun to play for me

[autumn rose]

im yet to find that duo in 75 runs so idk bout that

[stone rune]

you have to have athena special

well

the prereqs are

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1117555337407508530/image.png

[peak carbon]

That is not always possible to do

And I find doom special more fun

[stone rune]

if u find it more fun go ahead

but it's not better

[autumn rose]

but y is that gud cus dooms damage rly isn't that much more or at all more than the weapons' normal attack and also takes a while to activate each time, y wud i not opt for a flat 100% more or less damage boost to every attack

[stone rune]

because fists is 15 base damage attack

[autumn rose]

but time activation

[stone rune]

you could get 10x multiplier and itd be less than doom with a pom or two

[autumn rose]

[stone rune]

thats what the duo is for

[autumn rose]

ive decided

im uninstalling the videogame

also new question

does invisible make u impervious

[stone rune]

yea

[autumn rose]

gaming

oky ty gbye

[stone rune]

acorn is better defensively

dad call is just good for the damage it gives u

[tender solstice]

helloo i have a question. do percentages stack in this game? i have proud bearing and i'm wondering if i should spend some coins on the aether net. would my god gauge start at 35% (for the duration of aether net) or would nothing change?

[latent moon]

Yeah that stacks

[limpid ocean]

doin eris for first time in a while

on 32, started with 5x special shot

let's go

is athena / aph duo worth anything on eris rail?

[latent moon]

Nope

It's not worth anything ever

[limpid ocean]

good thanks I purged it

[formal citrus]

In general, yes additively (rather than multiplicatively)

[latent moon]

unless it's movement speed, damage reduction, or trap damage

[pastel monolith]

trap damage can get out of control quickly

if only it were easier to control enemies hitting traps

it happens a surprisong amount tho actually. i used to always neglect it but i find it axtualy pretty useful in elysium and styx

[mint coral]

Trap dmg is hilarious

Getting enough for asterius-dad is nice

[pastel monolith]

asterius?

is thst the bull

what traps are in that fight..? i guess the pillars collapsing?

[mint coral]

Yup

Almost killed him with one pillar

[pastel monolith]

i wish heightened security was worth more tha 1 heat

u would think trap damage is not a huge deal but those hades pots are brutal

when i was new and didnt know better.. heightened security was the first heat i always used

now its probably my least used

[mint coral]

At heat levels where is not uncommon to use it I love it tbh

Once you get a taste of resetting sd with HS on is so much better

[pastel monolith]

its nice when ur using stubborn defiance and trying to kill urself in elusium with the exploding eggs before u pick up the athena boon

very specific perk lol

[mint coral]

Resetting on lava too

[pastel monolith]

ya but thats usually fast enough anyway

chipping away with those eggs can take forever

but its worth it for that sweet extra life

i always get hit by laval when i try to leave the chamber loo

im so sloppy and uncoordinated when i dash toward the exit door

[mint coral]

The first time I've ever reached charon end shop in aspho I died at the door to lernie lmao

Didn't get to see the boss

[pastel monolith]

rip

[limpid ocean]

charon end shop?

[mint coral]

The shop before a boss

Chamber 13/23/35

[limpid ocean]

oh

didn't know that was the specific term for it

[mint coral]

I just call it like that

[brisk trail]

LMAO SAME

[limpid ocean]

I know ice wine sucks with beowulf but does it work with rama?

[mint coral]

Why rama?

If you mean hera it has the same delay as beo

[limpid ocean]

Yeah I meant hera whoops

[mint coral]

On normal weapons ice wine is an upgrade to normal fog

As you avoid the arc throwing

[limpid ocean]

I know there's a slight delay but still a damage increase

[mint coral]

(except you lose boiling blood on some weapon)

[mint coral]

30% is a common chaos cast boon

[stone rune]

and a common shot is pog

it still sucks on beo and hera tho

[limpid ocean]

gotcha thanks

[untold crown]

fighting my way through elysium and... my switch dies. 🇫

[umbral bloom]

Atleast it saved right?

[untold crown]

yeah but I mean died as in it's a goner, not that the battery ran out

[brisk trail]

I think hades 2 will release in late 2023

[autumn rose]

is the first time zagreus kills hades

the first time hades dies

ever?

:0

[astral walrus]

you're optimistic

the date of release is not even announced yet

i think it'll be at least 2024

if not later

[brisk trail]

damn

I have a lot of time to complete part 1 before that

[astral walrus]

well i could be wrong

[astral walrus]

yeah, you'll have the time whenever Hades 2 comes out i'm pretty sure

if you mean completing the main storyline

[brisk trail]

If things go right

I guess 10 hours are enough to beat the game

but I think hades and hades 2 stories would be completely different

[latent moon]

I thought they said early access would release 2023

[sour fog]

more news on early access would come 2023

it's in the faq

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

[peak carbon]

Gilgamesh is so broken

Maybe I just do best with fists

24 minutes with Gilgamesh and I had em lernie and furies

[stone rune]

[stone rune]

wdym

[peak carbon]

Like

Isn't em a thing in this game

[stone rune]

oh

wdym had

[peak carbon]

Where they have additional moves

Like two furies appeared

And for lernie it's a new chamber and he floats

[stone rune]

yeah

[peak carbon]

Well I beat it rly easy

Somehow

[limpid ocean]

I don't even trust date announcements anymore, feels like 50% of games get postponed at least once

[latent moon]

Get silksonged

But also they never announced when hades 2 early access was gonna be anyways lmao

They just said news about it will come this year

At least in #hades2-faq

[limpid ocean]

got vicious cycle before leaving tartarus

[dire tendon]

if only it worked

[limpid ocean]

it doesn't?

[stone rune]

Vicious Cycle
Adds 2 damage per hit to Ares’ Aid as intended, but only 1 to slicing shot and blade dash and does not work at all for slicing flare.

[dire tendon]

mfw its value is basically always halved

oh wait

blade dash (common) deals 5 hits of 10 damage for a total of 50

with intended vicious cycle it would deal 70

[stone rune]

60

wait

[dire tendon]

but it does 60

wait

[stone rune]

triangular number

[dire tendon]

70 right

[stone rune]

yea i think

[dire tendon]

damn that

kinda blows

it's prolly better for hunting blades

and the damage increase is even less relative to stronger casts

[peak carbon]

Any advice for a lucifer build

[latent moon]

build it the same way as eris

[dire tendon]

put on some on-hit on the atk and some chunky stuff on the spec

[latent moon]

so lightning strike -> aphrodite/artemis special -> tidal dash

[peak carbon]

I've never built an eris

[dire tendon]

i like trying to get as many projectiles on the screen as possible

[peak carbon]

Ty ty

[dire tendon]

since it looks funny

[peak carbon]

Lightning strike is the standard atk right

[latent moon]

order of the special and dash don't matter, just start lightning strike

yeah

[dire tendon]

also sea storm luci sounds pre good no

[stone rune]

but dont do it

because it is not

i mean

[latent moon]

sea storm luci is just budget normal luci

[stone rune]

if you take flood shot

with lightning stirke

sure

[dire tendon]

why is pos spec bad?

[stone rune]

pushy pushy

[latent moon]

the pulses knock back enemies iirc

so it's just super inconvenient

[peak carbon]

Knocking back enemies is the worst

It never works out when I do that

[dire tendon]

yea

[peak carbon]

I got epic lightning strike on my reroll lfg

Should I get eternal chamber

[stone rune]

what r other hammer

best hammer is triple bomb

[peak carbon]

I'll do triple bomb then

But idk if that works as well for lucifef

[stone rune]

for luci

thats the best hammer

[peak carbon]

Okay

[stone rune]

not the best on other rails

try get aphrodite or artemis sepcial

[peak carbon]

Damn it's a beast now

I have aphro special

[stone rune]

nice

[peak carbon]

Zeus standard

I hope i beat redacted

I suck so bad with the rail

I got demeter aphrodite cast duo as well and aphrodite call I am a BEAST

[peak carbon]

I cleared redacted with the rail finally

What's the best build for rama?

[latent moon]

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

thanks MiKE

[limpid ocean]

okay so running achillies with 2x stygian trippy shot, just got hyper delivery combo. How do I properly use it wtih this build?

[mint coral]

Just dash right before the cast hits

[latent moon]

it'll help a bit if you get ice wine, it hits a lot faster so you can spend less time thinking about when to dash

[peak carbon]

Tysm 🙏 legend

[limpid ocean]

I think the last 50 times I got artemis when qualifying for her legendary, she hasn't given it to me

and like 25 for mirage

[mint coral]

Artemis legendary is a myth

[peak carbon]

I never get artemis legendary

It has to be fake

[peak carbon]

Somehow killed theseus before the minotaur

[peak carbon]

https://imgur.com/a/v9EsKez

Ignore the fact I get hit a lot bc I wasn't really trying but the damage for this was insane

[dire tendon]

imagine how much more it would be if you hit all 3 shots tooo dad would be shredded

[stone rune]

did you just upload a dad fight as a gif

[peak carbon]

No it's a video

It's got sound

I got a better one with blade rift seek and doom gauntlets

[stone rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1117996647566299206/image.png

[peak carbon]

I cannot control my Internet being ass

[dire tendon]

that does not change the file type huh

[peak carbon]

It still says video for me

When I load it up, audio plays

[dire tendon]

you somehow uploaded it as a gif??

[peak carbon]

https://imgur.com/a/9iRdrmU

It shouldn't be

[stone rune]

imgur embeds as gif

[limpid ocean]

so I used athena keepsake for asphodel but never got athena .... I can still use it for elysium right?

[stone rune]

yea

you can tell by looking at left side

[dire tendon]

oh thats wack as hell

[stone rune]

if theres a 1 on the keepsake

[peak carbon]

Idk how to remove embed lmao

[dire tendon]

imgur embeds embed video as gif

[stone rune]

then it has a charge left

[dire tendon]

thats cursed

[stone rune]

that also applies to acorn

[peak carbon]

But gauntlets crushed dad part 2

That and the cast

Shoutout blade rift for being godly

[limpid ocean]

running demeter fists trying to get merciful end

ended up with 2/2 stygian hunting blades though

and hyper delivery

hunting blades, merciful end and legendary eres now lol did not expect this

[limpid ocean]

does anyone not take abrosia delight?

[stone rune]

well it depends

take if RD had

and gomble wished

[limpid ocean]

I died that run

but now this run I have ME with 5x dd and both boom support boons

AND THE ARTEMIS LEGENDARY NOW

[stone rune]

what artemis legendary

[limpid ocean]

+2 BLOODSTONE

[stone rune]

doesznt exikst

you can only get stones from well and chaos

[limpid ocean]

and on 25 heat I finished in 14 and a half minutes, previous best was 18 on no heat lmao

[chrome creek]

...You can literally scroll through Artemis Boons and see her Legendary Boons.
That said, it is utterly miserable to try to get during a run. Last Legendary I got.

[stone rune]

theres no artemis legendary

[median knot]

whats the best aspect

in game

[limpid ocean]

Eris rail and beowulf shield

And any bow

[chrome creek]

Personally? Chiron for bow. Because target-seeking Special plus about any Boon on Special equals metric tons of damage.

[limpid ocean]

Zeus sheild is my fav though

[chrome creek]

Oh, sure, it is my favorite as well. But that be it: "favorite", not "strongest". It is the most fun, definitely.

[still python]

bro i cant believe i never thought to try me with divine dash lmao im actually an idiot

i thought it only worked with attacks

you do way too much damage

[stone rune]

where is the metric ton in question

any aspect can be your favorite but also an aspect being your favorite does not correspond to best

like id love if hestia were but it isn’t

[still python]

stop lying

hestia is 100% the best aspect

[stone rune]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[still python]

i never got the chiron hype whats so good about it

what boons do you use

ive tried zeus

[latent moon]

Zeus internal cooldown kinda shafts Chiron ngl

Go for low tolerance or heart rend

Heart rend needs conc volley

[still python]

cant hermes give you two maybe it isnt hermes but theres definitely a boon that gives you two stones

[stone rune]

nope