nah, spearpoint way better
#h1-discussion
tepid plover
mint coral
just dont get butterfly or sneak
tepid plover
while also helping with the satyrs
mint coral
and styx isnt my issue
native blade
But I use SD so I gotta pick beta cuck Skully's tooth usually.
tepid plover
i pretty much only die to hades to i need more than 1 dd
mint coral
(also my em4 experience was for 45 heat so that may be a lil different)
tepid plover
spearpoint probably saves me more hp thru the 3 lives than what an extra live wouldve give me
native blade
Lel.
native blade
spearpoint probably saves me more hp thru the 3 lives than what an extra live wo...
^
tepid plover
god darn it
mint coral
like I say I just cope with not getting butterfly ball so that acorn is worth
mint coral
(also my em4 experience was for 45 heat so that may be a lil different)
also im never doing this again
tepid plover
you can also be more agressive during lasers, if you get hit by accident, instead of hiding
native blade
It's just a matter of preference tbh.
mint coral
you can also be more agressive during lasers, if you get hit by accident, instea...
aggresive on em4 lasers?
tepid plover
yeah like, if you get hit by lasers youre normally forced to retreat and hide, with spearpoint you can actually hit him for a little bit
mint coral
also im never doing this again
my heart rate was higher than doing 50 probably lmao
em4 scary
native blade
you can also be more agressive during lasers, if you get hit by accident, instea...
^ I usually just pray for Aunt 'Dite's Call and gyp the lasers with it.
tepid plover
with ranged of course, since the stun wave
tepid plover
if hades 2 doesnt have ap2 or something similar im going to riot
tepid plover
rn i have pos attack with zeus shield so im jusy knocking people back into ares special xD
mint coral
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/952206280137777242/2...
vs 50 heat
tepid plover
impressive
native blade
https://i.imgur.com/Y0uccZE.png
Hundo.
tepid plover
havent played in a while
tepid plover
9% cast dmg 
royal widget
+10% movement speed is what made the world record
tepid plover
im actually curious what
mint coral
I should've just said that lol
he gives slighty more
I usually see like 103-5 gold tho
tepid plover
well even the wiki says 100
so maybe that could be changed
i thought it was 100 plain
to add to this, i always use the dark thirst weapon
native blade
to add to this, i always use the dark thirst weapon
Ahhhhh, an apostle of the dark thirst I see… A respectable vocation.
mint coral
even when starting to play I never bothered with dark thirst
tepid plover
i dont care about darkness/gem, i just do it for variety
native blade
i dont care about darkness/gem, i just do it for variety
Yeah, I getcha, the dark thirst is just a bonus.
tepid plover
yeah like if even if i had no bonus, itd still use it
mint coral
aight nvm I dont have the patience for unmodded
rama with art atk and hunter dash and copin with perfect
"eh this is going decent"
"30 seconds left!"
tribal bloom
any tips on how to clear Elysium faster? i keep taking 10+ minutes to clear it while for the rest i need 5-6 minutes
gray apex
any tips on how to clear Elysium faster? i keep taking 10+ minutes to clear it w...
Just practice, try getting better builds because damage is a part of the problem. And learn to optimize your dps rotation so you're as efficient as possible. Also try to pause right when you enter the room and assess the enemies and the chamber and try to find the quickest route to go through it and end up close to the exit
latent moon
elysium taking twice as long as the other biomes sounds about right tbf, even considering speedrunners i think lmao
but also yeah what MiKE said
gray apex
Further down the line when you get more advanced you'll learn spawn manipulation and where the spawn points are for each room, but at ~10 mins it's too early for that. You don't even have to learn it at all it just depends on your end goal ultimately. But yea just practice and try experimenting with builds. Could try watching speedrunners do it too.
tribal bloom
It seems to me like that's a bit too "sweaty" if you know what im talking about
stone rune
whar
tribal bloom
like... remembering where spawn points are and pausing and examining the room
formal citrus
I do genuinely sweat when playing this game lol
tribal bloom
that just seems a bit too much?
latent moon
the more important part is getting a good build tbf
stone rune
we play this game a lot lol
formal citrus
Lol yeah, different levels and types of optimization are definitely for different people.
latent moon
getting a good build will cut down your time more
at this point anyways
also uh
optimal damage rotation
native blade
Hades “veteran” vs Hades Veteran.
stone rune
and not using gilga
latent moon
or more optimal at least i guess
stone rune
which is probably at least 40% timesave
tribal bloom
A friend told me i should focus on the ability that i get a first boon on
like if i got a boon on the Special, i should focus on improving the special for that run, and using it a lot
stone rune
well like
gray apex
That's only relevant if your weapon relies on that ability that you got first.
stone rune
you should manipulate that
gray apex
If you're playing achilles
And you get dem special
You're screwed already
Because you should start with something else
stone rune
my ice wine tho,.,,,,
gray apex
You can get your ice wine later 
latent moon
well im not wrong tho
latent moon
it's better than the special tho
gray apex
I would take the Special and just go further to see if I get Tidal Dash or Arty/Zeus attack
But if I dont Ill just reset
What Achilles run wouldnt start with either of those keepsakes tho
Like what are you starting
Shackle?
stone rune
slicing shot dusa
formal citrus
Athena deflecting esp for deadly reversal seems fun and effective on achilles.
formal citrus
Im still at the point of doing beams cause I die when trying to do blades, for reference.
formal citrus
but it doesnt open dr
Artemis attack with Achilles seems generally effective crit that 150% or set up clarity/hunting
gray apex
If you happen to come across it it's probably ok but Artemis attack on its own is more than enough. Would rather just focus on cast and dash afterwards and try to get Cast related duos like Mirage/Hunting Blades over opening up DR
Deflect on Special is weird yea
formal citrus
u need athena special for that
I'm pretty sure I've deflected with the athena special with Achilles to trigger dr
Is filling up the four primary slots so I get other boons offered more often not an effective strat?
latent moon
Not really
latent moon
It is better to fill them asap so you get a higher chance of seeing your duo
But at the same time rip pom pool lmao
tepid plover
Is filling up the four primary slots so I get other boons offered more often not...
You wanna get the ones you really want most of the time, that way poms are more often to target what you want
formal citrus
Pom diminishing returns aren't that diminishing, eh?
latent moon
I mean they kinda are lmao
At a certain point it'll be like an increase of 6 damage or 6%
Or less
stone rune
Pom diminishing returns aren't that diminishing, eh?
they are
tepid plover
first 4 or 5 levels maybe not, but after is start to not be as effective
latent moon
Yeah poms past 5 or 6 aren't generally worth it unless you don't have anything better to pom
At that point it's just "haha high number" lmao
Hangover is an exception tho, each pom will always be +1 so that's nice
That's the one you wanna pom past 7 lmao
formal citrus
Hangover is an exception tho, each pom will always be +1 so that's nice
And beams!
I usually get stuff to level 2 or 3 and call it a day
mint coral
Glaciar glare is a fun one to pom
formal citrus
Oh true that too
Seems much better value than the beam if sty soul which seems like the way to do beams
Demeter keeps not giving me glare early. V rude.
feels like there is a case for taking glare before clarity for pomming
latent moon
And then you never see clarity again and your beams just suck lmao
mint coral
Yeah no chance im taking glare if clarity can be taken lmao
formal citrus
2 scary 4 me
formal citrus
Just have so many beams they cover everything everywhere all at once
calm zenith
Sometimes I will overpom pressure points but I really know what I'm doing. Generally that wont lead anywhere unless your build is designed all around it.
Not PP but I managed to force a crit bolt build through a smouldering air athena call, with deadly reversal and splitting bolt.
And thunder dash
The first few poms are always the best
mint coral
Some boons pom scaling is just sad tho
calm zenith
If something isnt worth keeping, also, feel free to sell it so it doesnt consume a later pom slot.
Like a bad Revenge boon you picked up
Unless you need to meet breakpoints for speed, it's worth it probably for longterm gains
Plus poms are stronger than a bit of FF
royal widget
<@752689126448300033> sell me on modding
first god you get gives you attack/special/cast/dash
you pick your first hammer exactly
Charon sack is guaranteed
instantly kys to restart a run
enable/disable thanatos
formal citrus
PP pomming seems pretty worthwhile after some key level 2s
mint coral
Pp poms arent really worth it
calm zenith
It isnt a huge dps boost unless you really build around it
mint coral
Just grab hunter's mark
calm zenith
You need to be very deliberate
mint coral
And you can pom that instead
calm zenith
You want higher initial crit chance
You can do both
A good mark only needs a few poms anyway
formal citrus
first god you get gives you attack/special/cast/dash
you pick your first hammer ...
Ty. I don't think I'm ready for that, still having fun with the diversity forced by start
calm zenith
A common one, sure pom it lots
mint coral
Ty. I don't think I'm ready for that, still having fun with the diversity forced...
There is a few mods that arent soeedrun focused
Main one is the okympus extra which add appolo and hestia as gods
(balance may not be included)
mint coral
If you want a dumb option there is the fusioned aspects mod
formal citrus
What's that
mint coral
And if they are too strong you can add the extra heat mod
formal citrus
That sounds fun. give everything 10x calisthenics so I can enjoy my builds for longer, the opposite of what good hard mode design is
mint coral
Fusioned fists for example can use the dem combo to apply perfect maim
Even more dmg boost and no extra dmg taken
Ultimate shield is hilarious
Now you throw 6 zeus shields after a bullrush
calm zenith
Lmao
mint coral
Yup
calm zenith
Lmao
mint coral
It does the extra hits and apply perfect maim on dash upper
mint coral
Ultimate rail has you using the laser while the normal bullets work like support fire
calm zenith
I don't use demeter much
mint coral
And you can walk
mint coral
That works with explosive in vanilla right? Or am I mistaken
Ye
Also ultimate soear is so funny
The range for the spin is even higher
And you press special and now you tp to the other side of the chamber
mint coral
Thats exactly how it works
mint coral
The life steal was also reworked but I dont remember how
calm zenith
What about bow
calm zenith
For ultimate shield I would have done the bull rush thing but you load your cast into your special
mint coral
Have you heard about beam bow?
mint coral
Let me find the vid
mint coral
calm zenith
For ultimate bow I'd just do fast Rama + a chain shot that makes the attack chain between every target with Shared Suffering
formal citrus
that mod sounds like a mess lol. A fun mess, but a mess
calm zenith
Yeah
mint coral
Ultimate bow
15% crit chance
Load casts into atk
Special makes 8 arrows fall around you and mark enemies with shared suffering
Atk inflicts chiron's mark
Once its marked using special again makes the special fall directly into the enemy
You can see how they all work there
formal citrus
Guess I'll start out with OlympusExtra
mint coral
Yeah that one is simple
Can also just look around nexus mods for whatever catches your interest
Tho most things are just about resources
and the steve animation swap
latent moon
steve animation swap is funny
when i first opened nexus mods that was the first thing i saw lmao
dire tendon
Ultimate bow
15% crit chance
Load casts into atk
Special makes 8 arrows fall a...
hera+ now with shared suffering
ok shield is funny
its just beowulf but with screenwipe special now
mint coral
from what I remember using zeus special is actually bad lol
something something cooldown but I don't remember exactly
quick tundra
Hey uh when do I unlock summoning any companions during hades fight?
native blade
Hey uh when do I unlock summoning any companions during hades fight?
When u max out affection on certain characters.
dire tendon
i think they already have the companions
quick tundra
Yeah I have them
stone rune
you have to get certain affection levels to certain points
stone rune
no it's
quick tundra
I’m so confused
stone rune
At first, only Shady and Rib may be used against Hades. However, once you have forged a sufficient bond with him and a few others, he will grant you authority to use any of the companions against him.
This authority requires:
7 hearts with one of the following: Megaera, Thanatos, Dusa, or Achilles
7 hearts with another of those, or with Skelly or Sisyphus
4 hearts with Hades
oh huhhh
quick tundra
Ok thanks
dire tendon
so basically get 2 companions
surreal veldt
Yesterday I spent hours reading about strats and builds and then just loaded up on Arthur’s special and slammed my way through a run 🙃
calm zenith
Arthur special only can be slow but is very consistent
Double Nova first, then Deadly Flourish probably
Aim for Swift Flourish
native blade
Arthur special only can be slow but is very consistent
Shouldn't they aim for Dash Nova first tho? It gives them sturdy and hugely helps Arthur's mobility problem.
stone rune
no because dash nova sucks
arthur doesn’t have a mobility problem it’s not like it slows you down
it just kinda stinks
and dash nova does nothing to help your dps
but also id rather have dedge than any of these lol
native blade
I'd have to disagree, simply by the fact that it stops your special from being interrupted and gives you a leap ability to travel around the room quicker is pretty good utility.
native blade
but also id rather have dedge than any of these lol
Dedge?
native blade
How?
latent moon
can't you do the dash nova at home thingy with arthur
stone rune
but like for a special build you need some kind of scaling
stone rune
can't you do the dash nova at home thingy with arthur
you can on all of them lmfao
latent moon
yeah dash nova isn't really useful because of that
stone rune
it’s just that dash nova sucks so nobody wants to emulate it
and u don’t need a hammer to do it
native blade
it does no damage
It does as much damage as your special does, it's definitely not "no damage" plus you can get another hammer nova added to it.
stone rune
okay but instead you could get an actually useful hammer
latent moon
It does as much damage as your special does, it's definitely not "no damage" plu...
she prob meant that dash nova doesn't add any damage
south sapphire
Is there a release date for Hades 2 or is it a silksong situation
stone rune
like the hammer which literally doubles the specia damage
stone rune
Is there a release date for Hades 2 or is it a silksong situation
news this year i think
tepid plover
Is there a release date for Hades 2 or is it a silksong situation
Soon
latent moon
Is there a release date for Hades 2 or is it a silksong situation
lmao there's no date yet but tbf it only got announced like end of last year
stone rune
that’s what they said right
native blade
can't you do the dash nova at home thingy with arthur
What's that?
latent moon
you can buffer a special before your dash basically
stone rune
What's that?
pressing space bar and then pressing q
latent moon
but you can get your own "dash nova" while maintaining iframes
pretty sure you keep iframes
tepid plover
Dash nova at home lmfao
native blade
People are so impatient when it comes to updates I swear, it's genuinely not been that long.
latent moon
that's part of the reason why dash nova sucks lmao
latent moon
Dash nova at home lmfao
except it's actually better lmao
stone rune
dash nova also doesn’t even do anything useful
for your dmg
you could just get double edge
native blade
pressing space bar and then pressing q
Ok, I changed my controls around, I'ma need you to tell me what those buttons do.
tepid plover
People are so impatient when it comes to updates I swear, it's genuinely not bee...
In today's society a game not getting updates is considered a dead Game, so people impatient about a date is actually being generous
stone rune
dash and special
tepid plover
Ok, I changed my controls around, I'ma need you to tell me what those buttons do...
Dash and special
Darn I'm slow af
stone rune
arthur special is just a piece of trash slow as hell animation
stone rune
it was still slow when i was an arthur stan
back in the stone age
don’t think i ever used it to deal damage lol
native blade
Thanks, I'ma try that out and see it fixes my problem or I still need Dash Nova as a crutch.
native blade
I... I thought I explained lol.
latent moon
lmao yeah i was gonna say
they were pretty clear
mobility and a guaranteed special landing because of the sturdy
native blade
^
stone rune
hyper sprint…..
native blade
Yeah, but I could have both.
But also y'all did teach me the exploit, I should do that before arguing a null point.
stone rune
it’s not rlly an exploit i think it’s intentional
cause it’d be weird if your special got interrupted by a dash and vice versa
SOGGY
native blade
Than just crushed me, dash special ain't really helping how freaking slow the Special animation is.
calm zenith
Yeah you need double nova
Then you get dash or super
What flourish?
You also want swift flourish
Any will speed up the wind up
native blade
What flourish?
It was Deadly Flourish and I had Swift Flourish (common) but the issue before that is that the animation for special is way too long.
calm zenith
With 30% you're basically as fast as default sword
Fair
Stay in your consecration
Use it well
Sort of edge around it
native blade
With 30% you're basically as fast as default sword
Yeah but that's rng.
calm zenith
No
Yarn
Eury
Like still rng sure but that stuff increases chances a lot
And are the best use of Eury and Yarns for your build
native blade
Yarn is rng, and Eury is requires you to not have had Swift Flourish already.
calm zenith
Fair. Just dont take it if it's common and its early.
Common isnt better than more dashes or hypersprint
And Eury can upgrade Hermes boons btw
That's how you can get anything except Rare Crop I think Heroic
native blade
And Eury can upgrade Hermes boons btw
Ik, that's what I tried to do but it didn't hit swift flourish.
calm zenith
So you can have it beforehand and manipulate it to have her upgrade it.
You can quit if you haven't taken damage or anything
Then do something to change it
Quit then reload. It will restart the chamber.
Then you can reroll basically what she upgrades
I do this on gilga all the time now for rending + explosive
I can get it consistently
Too late now ofc but you know now
Also works on anvils and bouldy
And boons
But the first boon is different
You can change its rerolls though
So you still can force the boon you need first for a reroll
The first boon's first page normally cant be changed by anything you do before or after starting the run.
native blade
I get that but I'm not tryna tryhard, my point is simply that the dash special input is helpful but it doesn't fix the issue of how long the animation is and I think Dash Nova fixes that to some extent, I'll check to make sure, but it doesn't matter how much I stack dps on special if it doesn't hit first, it's just too slow.
calm zenith
Fair. Are you using fo2?
I think Arthur special is basically 50% slower than normal
So I'm just saying a good Swift brings it to normal speed roughly
native blade
Fair. Are you using fo2?
Yep yep, I keep it on so that there's no issue with adapting to the difference in speed for anything.
stone rune
arthur special isn’t a damage dealer past tart
calm zenith
Fair. I used to know fo2 speed but now it's a bit much for my bad reflexes
stone rune
and only rlly in tart with shackle
calm zenith
It definitely is a damage dealer with double nova and a good build.
No. That's just speedrunner brain
stone rune
good build and double nova are mutually exclusive, it’s a lot simpler to just go for dash strike build
calm zenith
Most people dont care about breakpoints to one shotting
Double nova is good on a special build though.
native blade
So I'm just saying a good Swift brings it to normal speed roughly
I agree with ya 100% I just had a bad roll tbh. Would you suggest that I give up swift flourish before Eury to maximise my chances of getting a good one tho? Cuz that might be the play.
calm zenith
Jeez I wonder why I have you blocked. Thank god I don't have to play Hades again for a while.
stone rune
how do you have me blocked i don’t have any social media on my profile
calm zenith
You have it and want to sell it you mean?
It's probably too late to fix things since its Hermes
native blade
Fair. I used to know fo2 speed but now it's a bit much for my bad reflexes
Ahhhh, Ik what you mean lol, it sucks getting timing'd by mobs.
calm zenith
You're blocked here. Discord blocking is just designed to encourage further engagement because it's a bad app
stone rune
discord has a block feature?
calm zenith
Yes it's not a good one
native blade
Jeez I wonder why I have you blocked. Thank god I don't have to play Hades again...
What's up? You're gonna be busy soon?
native blade
^
native blade
No tears of the kingdom came out
Oh yeah!!! Have fun btw.
calm zenith
Thanks
stone rune
le switch still water damaged
also how are they actually charging 70 dollars for a video game
latent moon
Get nintendoed
latent moon
I do wanna say tho
I kinda agree with jazz that you don't really use the special for damage, you ideally should use it for the damage reduction and try to have a good uptime on it
A special only Arthur build is kinda cursed lmao
stone rune
yea it just does not have the base
compared to its animation time
it’s like 70 damage?
latent moon
Well I'm not considering damage numbers I'm just considering like practicality
Ik that it's a hella slow animation so doing a special only build is kinda weird
Free to do what you want tho ofc
stone rune
so that would be 140 with double nova coming out every 5 years vs 132 with dedge per dash
calm zenith
You get swift flourish
Then its fine
Double nova also literally doubles its damage
You can just one shot groups of enemies
Its fine
stone rune
double edge 2.4 multiplier
surreal veldt
Just lost 3 lives to a single group of Athena boosted shield dudes in elysium. FFFUUUUU
latent moon
I mean "fine" here would be putting a band aid over a gunshot wound unless it's a high rarity swift flourish tbh
stone rune
Just lost 3 lives to a single group of Athena boosted shield dudes in elysium. F...
hey i think i saw that one today
calm zenith
This isnt about a dash strike build.
latent moon
Tbf I'm not that familiar with Arthur and maybe swift flourish does help a lot
native blade
A special only Arthur build is kinda cursed lmao
Lel, imagine? But I usually put Dio on it and use if for privileged status proc and to take care of mob groups.
calm zenith
It becomes slightly slower than base sword special
latent moon
Yeah so you'd need an epic swift flourish to make it feel good lmao
latent moon
I mean why not use the attack and get epic swift strike
latent moon
I guess lmao
latent moon
Still kinda cursed and jank tbf
stone rune
no way the special can get cancelled by getting hit
latent moon
I guess lmao
stone rune
really?
latent moon
no way the special can get cancelled by getting hit
I mean I wouldn't be surprised tbh
stone rune
that genuinely sounds miserable
calm zenith
I dont think it really does
stone rune
rama but if the payoff was 140 base
calm zenith
It isnt
latent moon
What's the base damage of beo special
calm zenith
I think also 70
calm zenith
Like beo has range and Charged sure
stone rune
lmao
latent moon
Oh 45 is sad
calm zenith
Lmao
latent moon
Wait what's the base damage of a dash strike on beo
calm zenith
So it has higher base dmg than Beo special only
latent moon
40?
calm zenith
Sounds about right. Arthur is 50
stone rune
55
latent moon
Yeah that sounds about right
calm zenith
Wiki is wrong then
stone rune
wait
calm zenith
You sure that isnt other modifiers
stone rune
its 55 i swear
calm zenith
Wiki says 50
stone rune
am i gonna get out of bed to test this at 1:2
latent moon
I thought the dstrike on beo was 50 and witches had more hp than that lmao cringe
calm zenith
It doesnt scale great
Unless you get some good mark stuff going with maybe DR
But really Arthur special only does work and is pretty safe
latent moon
Need high confidence to one shot a witch with a dstrike and that's all I need to know
calm zenith
It's something I could recommend at low heat
latent moon
Tbf a lot of things can be recommended at low heat
calm zenith
For like people who just want to play Arthur simple
Sure
It's just an easy build to win with
I barely dodged any of dad and still didnt die
stone rune
i think i have psychosis
calm zenith
Just stack defensive boons and hp
stone rune
i could have sworn it was 55
stone rune
just get zeus atp
calm zenith
Get those defensive boons together, stand in your grounds
calm zenith
Why? Does slow help jolted,
latent moon
Vengeful mood lmao
stone rune
well what does dio do for u other than call
calm zenith
Yeah you could do that on Arthur. A dirty revenge "only"
Special spam and revenge boons and defensive boons
calm zenith
Strong Drink, Premium Vintage (both early for best results), Positive Outlook
Trippy Shot
I imagine. I'm enjoying thunder dash gilga
Recently did a sea storm attack build with splitting bolt too
stone rune
i’d prefer electric shot over trippy trippy requires more speccing into the cast
calm zenith
It's weird. Zeus doesnt really synergize with Poseidon or Demeter.
stone rune
sea storm is always money
calm zenith
Knockback and chill prevent as many attacks
It is yeah
It just has some antisynergy
stone rune
demeter sucks in 90% of builds though
calm zenith
Thunder dash is better for splitting than sea storm tdash
stone rune
ice wine is funny enough to count for like 3% and then there’s snurst
calm zenith
Because you get more bolts hitting enemies since they dont move
stone rune
well like
thunder gives you splitting proc for 40 and some measly damage on top
tdash gives you sea storm and splitting for 80 along with infinite damage glitch
calm zenith
Yeah but I had that active from Poseidon attack and special
Poseidon attack gilga is funny
Especially with sea storm
stone rune
has there been a situation ever where pos atk good
calm zenith
Here
calm zenith
It does do more dmg
And it has a legit upside on controller. An exploit.
Last I did it.
Your targeting will rapidly toggle between enemies
Even with eternal
So I think that should cause more bolts
stone rune
i will simply never play controller unless i suck so bad at rama i need to play hera instead
calm zenith
Also those bolts are doing more damage than chain lightning anyway. 40 a bolt isnt bad.
stone rune
It does do more dmg
if you want a green boon might as well go for gold and start lightning strike and go for orange boon
calm zenith
I know
I can do whatever though
Except some extremely hard stuff
Like duos that require you swap boons midway through
And still somehow use them
That's hard to force
Splitting is ez
Hardest boon to force is epic Killing Freeze
Absolute unicorn
Demeter builds are only good for cast and an eventual legendary, but it's hard to get
stone rune
actually the hardest boon to force is snurst but only if you’re on good pace
calm zenith
That build isnt great though.
stone rune
Demeter builds are only good for cast and an eventual legendary, but it's hard t...
ice wine counts
stone rune
ice wine cracked
top 5 duo
you’ve got ME mirage hunting blades LP and then ice wine
calm zenith
I should do a perfect trippy run soon
native blade
well what does dio do for u other than call
I’m ngl, I did a spit take when I saw this.
stone rune
has nasty dash ever been fine
calm zenith
Yes
stone rune
trippy would be alright but electric is just nicer
stone rune
i have never done a dash build and i don’t plan to
calm zenith
You arent playing the same game as me
stone rune
tried to do a dash only run and the delay was frustrating so i decided to do something else
stone rune
but wouldn’t that just be worse blade dash
calm zenith
On gilga that is literally just spam explosive upper
calm zenith
Dio dash? Yes but it triggers 3 times
Best use I've found was splitting headache but that's not great
It poms good technically
Like consistently
stone rune
and also it spawns where u dashed from
native blade
Really? I had a great Deadly Reversal + Splitting Headache run.
calm zenith
Not well up front but it will keep up longterm
stone rune
which i guess blade dash also does
native blade
Ah, gotcha.
stone rune
splitting headache is very whatever
stone rune
i don’t think any dash will ever come close to the glory that is
calm zenith
DR does wild things
native blade
^
stone rune
PASSION DASH💪💪💪💪💪💪💪🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
calm zenith
Divine Dash does everything you want and scales very well even at common lvl 1
It's a perfect boon
Nah maybe if you get epic sweet surrender
native blade
PASSION DASH💪💪💪💪💪💪💪🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱<a:AphroditeSticke...
Yeah, Passion Dash does go crazy with PS.
calm zenith
You're using ddash wrong then
native blade
^
stone rune
it’s a joke lol
calm zenith
You can cancel enemy attacks from hitting you in a dash strike
surreal veldt
My god the Achilles patro quest drags out FOREVER. When am I gonna be able to give them some damn nectar
stone rune
i like ddash
calm zenith
It literally prevents damage
stone rune
i just like tdash more
calm zenith
That's what a deflect is
stone rune
i know
calm zenith
Tdash is good immediately but doesnt cohere a build as well unless it's like eris
stone rune
but like there is literally one singular aspect where tdash isn’t that good
and it’s rama
so like whatever
native blade
I really don’t think there’s a bad dash tbh tho, I can scale any of them into an advantage
calm zenith
Arctic blast in a full demeter build
stone rune
what are the other gods that exist
there’s blade dash
passion dash
tdash
ddash
the other tdash
oh hdash
thats them
native blade
nasty dash
I’m actually confused, those are great pstatus dashes.
stone rune
so yeah most of them are good
native blade
Especially Drunk dash.
stone rune
I’m actually confused, those are great pstatus dashes.
well pstatus isn’t great
for instance: making u take a bad dash to activate it
calm zenith
I did pstatus on an Athena Artemis run the other day. It was great.
native blade
Oh, well if you don’t like pstats then yeah some dashes are just suboptimal.
calm zenith
40% global damage is good
native blade
^
calm zenith
Pdash also works for pstatus
stone rune
25% global damage is also good
calm zenith
And can apply sweet surrender
stone rune
and is more immediate and works on first hit
stone rune
and doesn’t make you make what would normally be bad build takes
calm zenith
On gilga first strike can be 20 base damage
Who cares if it doesnt immediately kill. I got more
native blade
and doesn’t make you make what would normally be bad build takes
It makes bad builds good.
stone rune
like pash dash is pretty much flat worse than tdash so taking it over tdash just because you have pstatus on means that you have to do something suboptimal in order to get your uptime
native blade
But you can backstab pstats dmg.
native blade
Yeah, but I get to do it more than once:
stone rune
enemy should be dead at that point
dash upper with fiery will kill brimstones and witches
native blade
Wait, doesn’t dash upper always do that no matter what? At least that’s what it felt like.
stone rune
fists whole thing in tart is trying to avoid actually having to use the weapon as much as possible
native blade
Crazy, oh well.
mint coral
tdash gives you sea storm and splitting for 80 along with infinite damage glitch
Along with what
mint coral
@wise wren
To get the epilogue you need your affinity maxed with at least 6 out of 8 olympians (demeter counts when reaching the lock as you noticed)
After that Persephone will tell you about delivering letters to all the gods (if nyx-chaos story line is done you also need to give one to Chaos)
After all is delivered talk with persephone again to finish the epilogue
wise wren
<@384692946307383296>
To get the epilogue you need your affinity maxed with at ...
all the criteria i have done...guess i just need to keep doing runs to unlock it... i hope i will get there sooner. thanks
wise wren
i search it up they say dont use EM4 tf is dat
yep all of them are max
only the ice god
wise wren
im on EM20
mint coral
Extreme measures is the pact that makes bosses have new moves
But heat doesnt matter for the epilogue (outside of gathering ambrosia)
wise wren
that is the problem....persephone is not talking to me
i guess just need doing runs
until it trigger
mint coral
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Epilogue_Guide?so=search
There is the epilogue guide in the wiki but it also mentions that you can be stuck waiting
wise wren
damn u rng...i waited long enough to romance with dusa and now this
tepid plover
Literally
wraith sand
alright, question
will playing on the switch version still give me every achievement, even ones like purging a legendary boon?
edgy coyote
Who’s your favorite god mate?
narrow hemlock
alright, question
will playing on the switch version still give me every achieve...
do you mean like if you transferred the save file? generally any achievement for things that can only be completed once per save file can grant retroactively, but things that can be done in subsequent runs (such as purging boons) must be done again to pop the achievement
native blade
Who’s your favorite god mate?
Dionysus, he’s the ultimate homie.
surreal veldt
It really annoys me that having no extra dashes is fine right up until redacted. Then you just get absolutely owned by his stupid spin because you can’t get away fast enough . Graaaaarghh
mint coral
Are you using rithless reflex or what?
Also dashing through the spin is generally easier from my experience
fleet lance
its way easier with multiple dashes though
wraith sand
do you mean like if you transferred the save file? generally any achievement for...
alright, i see
though, I did receive the "kill Skelly 10 times" achievement immediately after I ported my save, so maybe it is a case by case basis?
formal citrus
I am going to have to figure out if there us controller lag or general lag for the steam version. I guess my laptop is less adequate than I thought. How much difference system intensity is there if I choose lowest settings?
arctic hull
I have a question about Merciless End, wouldn't it be better if I had deflect on the attack instead because the instant doom damage hit with every deflect
stone rune
I have a question about Merciless End, wouldn't it be better if I had deflect on...
the best is to have divine dash
so you apply doom with attack and immediately proc it with one dash strike
latent moon
I have a question about Merciless End, wouldn't it be better if I had deflect on...
you need a faster way of applying doom than the special
the only exception of athena attack ares special is zeus shield
stone rune
jesus christ who invented gilga dashes you cant even delay them
native blade
Smh, L dashers fr.
stone rune
if you delay between your dashes the dash cooldown still does the thing
native blade
I honestly don’t have these problems with Gilga Dash, it’s better for me personally cuz the dodges are tighter and easier to control.
stone rune
and the other hits do basically dash strike ish damage but slower and without capability of getting dedge
short glen
I've been able to consistently 2hko lernie heads by getting epic level Aphrodite attacks. Which is really easy because of how boons work
stone rune
i mean yeah that’s a pretty standard thing to do
lernie is a pushover if you’re not trying to go mega yoptimal with the grouping
short glen
All I'm saying is I didn't use dash strikes and beat 32 heat with Arthur on second attempt
formal citrus
Also, very accomplishment feeling when beaten
surreal veldt
It says Charons sack has 22% chance…. But I’ve only seen it once in 70 runs?
solar vault
The chance only happens after you've beat Hades
and also you could have skipped midshops which means you don't roll the chance at all
calm zenith
jesus christ who invented gilga dashes you cant even delay them
Skill issue
calm zenith
and the other hits do basically dash strike ish damage but slower and without ca...
No. Factually wrong. Standing strikes do triple dash strike damage.
1 standing strike is often stronger than unloading all your dash strikes
I've done like 1.3k gilga attack hits
You're just not playing it optimally. dash strikes arent supposed to be good on gilga.
calm zenith
and the other hits do basically dash strike ish damage but slower and without ca...
Oh this is about Arthur? Arthur's continuous combo is like 60/90/200. Its dash strikes are 50.
So no it's not the same dmg
stone rune
60/80/200
stone rune
60 and 80 are actually less than 120 last i checked
calm zenith
Dash strikes are filler inbetween combo differences.
dire tendon
Does shadow slash apply to dash strikes
stone rune
no
calm zenith
Where did I say 120
dire tendon
Ah so you just dedge it then
stone rune
when the dedge
surreal veldt
and also you could have skipped midshops which means you don't roll the chance a...
I have about 30 clears ….but you’re right, I do always avoid mid shops in order to max out on golden touch for Styx…. That explains it
dire tendon
The problem with Arthur is that the funny damage only comes after a 5 second windup
calm zenith
That's still slower and you can get a 200 base hit
stone rune
thats nots lower
calm zenith
Get a Swift
stone rune
get an RD lol
dire tendon
Dedge is faster dps which is such a shame
calm zenith
RD isnt always better if its just common
dire tendon
Arthur combo is funny
calm zenith
Nah I've tested. It really isnt.
stone rune
it literally is
calm zenith
This is speedrunner brain
dire tendon
Faster in that you can move around while doing more damage
stone rune
dps
calm zenith
Easiest combo for spamming
stone rune
dps = speedrun
calm zenith
You can move around during the Arthur combo
Please understand the aspects you are criticizing first
Like basic stuff about them
calm zenith
Then why dont you know the combo is continuous
dire tendon
I like it conceptually
calm zenith
You can c1>ds>c2>ds>c3
stone rune
literally everyone knows that
dire tendon
Big funny hit
calm zenith
That's probably more damage than just dash striking
stone rune
it's not
calm zenith
You're clearly ignoring it
stone rune
because double edge is base 100 with a 20% additive
which is more damage than the first two strikes
dire tendon
I do not play sword enough lol
stone rune
nem is super fun
mint coral
sw*rd
calm zenith
Yeah okay just wait for the Arthur dstrike delay to end then
Instead of just attacking
stone rune
what
calm zenith
Your memory is worse than mine because I explicitly remember you talking about Arthur having a slower dash strike delay
Longer
stone rune
it has a delay in the sense that the animation isn’t instant
calm zenith
The dash strike aoe is much smaller than strike aoe
stone rune
group
calm zenith
Literally just playing another game
stone rune
what'
calm zenith
Remember when you forgot the game has a plot
stone rune
what
calm zenith
Or the fact that you just literally play modded
calm zenith
Yeah you play the game on easy mode
stone rune
what
calm zenith
Literally easier than god mode
calm zenith
A controlled first boon alone is enough
You insult me
Put me down
Just shut down any discussion that isnt exactly how you play
stone rune
ok
calm zenith
Were you banned from the speedrun server or something
stone rune
what
calm zenith
Notice how you just ignore the fact that you are regularly very rude to me
Expect something back eventually. When you are negative others are negative.
stone rune
?
calm zenith
You have no self awareness. I'm done.
None of this sparks any memories
You telling me not to make a guide I wanted to make
Like you just never consider how you affect other people.
People dont come to servers to post about stuff they're doing expecting and just hoping someone will shut them down and tell them it's pointless.
It's a real rude thing to do in fact.
Generally you should try to promote anything being done that isnt explicitly bad like morally
stone rune
like pouring river water down your socks
calm zenith
Maybe you should consider apologizing
Or are you literally too high on your own farts for that
Like consider being more open minded
Other good qualities
That people actually like
Instead of being singleminded and ignorant of anyone else's wants.
Or potential for them to have any other wants.
Like there are other ways to play than literally optimizing animation times.
I think you are forgetting this is basically a dating sim structurally
Sometimes that other way to play could literally just be not wanting to spam the same action because someone claims it is optimal.
I dont know why you find this so hard to understand.
I regularly show that I try to understand why people like speedrunning and how the basics of it works.
Like for once could you be positive about the game.
I'm just going to leave. This is clearly just going to remain a toxic place because it attracts toxic people. I dont care enough about this game to deal with this. You literally make it no fun for everyone else.
Please do some self reflection for once
solemn echo
Hey maim
calm zenith
What. Say it quick before I leave.
solemn echo
No matter where you got there will be toxic people who can't take anything you say seriously and think their opinion is the only opinion
And then there will be people who see what you do an don't care about speedrunning animations or modding and think what you are doing is cool
calm zenith
Yeah I dont care. I'm not staying. They've ruined the game for me and I wont be buying the sequel.
Probably lots of people will because they skipped the story because these elitists suggest it
The most boring people alive. They wear the same clothes every day too I bet.
solemn echo
Me, I got the game 2 days ago. I don't really care about speedrunning, I think if you find something cool and it works then it sounds cool! I am not a huge tierpicker anywhere and here is no different
mint coral
wait
where did you get that people skip the story
calm zenith
Just you wait. They'll force you to be.
solemn echo
I don't let people force me to be anything
If I want to go full Aphrodite with Zagreus spear I will do it
calm zenith
wait
where did you get that people skip the story
Most of you do. You ruin the game for everyone. You force everyone to play like you.
I'm done. I'm leaving. I hate this game now.
arctic hull
If I complete heat 4 without doing any of the other heat will I get the reward from the heats that i skip
stone rune
If I complete heat 4 without doing any of the other heat will I get the reward f...
yea
except for level 0 which is separate
wait
no
so like
if you've done your heat 1 bounty
and then you do heat 4
you'll get the bounty essentially for heat 2
so if your next run you do heat 3 you'll get the heat 3 rewards
but you can't just skip to 20
and heat 0 is counted differently
arctic hull
So I will have to go back and the ones I skipped to get the rewards
stone rune
yea
mint coral
And do 4
your first win at heat 4 will give you the bounties for heat
2nd win at same heat will be rewards for heat 2 and so on till you reach 4
at which point you up the heat
solemn echo
Ye OK I get the lame or bad one
mint coral
Get dino'd
native blade
But yeah, I love to hate Zeus boons cuz they’re so good but Zeus is such a bastard.
native blade
Get dino'd
Yeah, dyno sux.
solemn echo
The dash is amazing
stone rune
smells like heresy
latent moon
what was the question lmao
weak charm
poseidons mid but his duo boons are awesome
stone rune
you’re all going to be fed to the crocodiles
mint coral
Honestly I dont like pos duos that much
native blade
you’re all going to be fed to the crocodiles
Lel.
mint coral
In a "it feels cool" sense ofc
latent moon
poseidon's only good boons are like tdash and breaking wave
hydraulic might is nice tho
native blade
Honestly I dont like pos duos that much
Premium Access and Poms of Power are so good tho.
solemn echo
What are some of the best dashes?
Idk if it is amazing, but I quite like Dionysius's dash
stone rune
might is better on hestia with clockets
stone rune
What are some of the best dashes?
Idk if it is amazing, but I quite like Dionys...
tdash and ddash
native blade
In a "it feels cool" sense ofc
Oh, I getcha.
latent moon
What are some of the best dashes?
Idk if it is amazing, but I quite like Dionys...
tidal, divine, and hunters basically
solemn echo
Aaaand out we go
stone rune
hunter dash is cool
latent moon
lmao tbf dio dash doenst have a lot of damage
weak charm
poseidons mid but his duo boons are awesome
born to use exclusive access
forced to use poseidon and dionysus….. 
mint coral
There are some arguments to be made for ares dash
native blade
What are some of the best dashes?
Idk if it is amazing, but I quite like Dionys...
Drunk Dash is perfect pstats dash cuz you can get so many passives with hangover.
stone rune
i like it on nem if i get cucked out of a flourish
mint coral
Mainly dc stripping/call
stone rune
There are some arguments to be made for ares dash
nem wr has blade dash lol
it just does pretty good damage on melee weps
just less than tdash
mint coral
nem wr has blade dash lol
Peak sword gameplay
solemn echo
Drunk Dash is perfect pstats dash cuz you can get so many passives with hangover...
Glad to see someone not just speaking of the meta
latent moon
Drunk Dash is perfect pstats dash cuz you can get so many passives with hangover...
mistral dash is better imo because it shoots out forward
mint coral
I mean you asked for the best
solemn echo
Or meta with air quotes fr let people play how they want
solemn echo
I mean you asked for the best
Fair
mint coral
If you ask me what dash I love that goes for tdash and thunder dash
native blade
Glad to see someone not just speaking of the meta
Ofc, my name is representative of the anti-meta view. Pro Enjoyers gotta stick together.
solemn echo
I also like to hear stufff besides "these three and the rest suck"
latent moon
Glad to see someone not just speaking of the meta
you did kinda ask "what are some of the best dashes" lmao so you're gonna get an answer that's generally agreed upon by the community
native blade
If you ask me what dash I love that goes for tdash and thunder dash
Those go so hard, no lie.
solemn echo
Ofc, my name is representative of the anti-meta view. Pro Enjoyers gotta stick ...
Yup
native blade
you did kinda ask "what are some of the best dashes" lmao so you're gonna get an...
Very true tho.
stone rune
i mean if you had asked me id tell you nasty dash is bad
native blade
Yeah, Jazz is kind of a hater lol.
stone rune
but nobody did so i didnt
signal aspen
idk man as
latent moon
someone with
stone rune
around 10
solemn echo
Yeah, Jazz is kind of a hater lol.
Kind of?
native blade
Kind of?
She’s harsh but she really doesn’t care too much if you make it clear that it’s your opinion.
solemn echo
Gotcha
native blade
I also like to hear stufff besides "these three and the rest suck"
Understandable.
stone rune
idk man i like things that are gud and i dont like thinks that arent gud unless the gud is hera
solemn echo
Also I will say thanks for the Achilles recommendation I haven't gotten it yet but I feel like it will fit like a glove
mint coral
Achilles is so fun
stone rune
achilles is goat
solemn echo
But I will enjoy just making the sets I enjoy with boons and such
native blade
mistral dash is better imo because it shoots out forward
Yeah, but the passives like Bad Influence is why I say it’s better.
latent moon
hold on i need to figure out what bad influence is
stone rune
bad influence is global damage when 3 or more enemies hangovered
mint coral
Global dmg when 3 enemies have hangover
stone rune
itss cool but doesnt work in bosses unless you keep dad adds alive
or u count lernie for like 5 seconds
mint coral
I never find it when using hangover
native blade
But I will enjoy just making the sets I enjoy with boons and such
Gimmick runs go crazy in Hades I swear.
tepid plover
Keeping a butterfly alive is just illegal
native blade
Keeping a butterfly alive is just illegal
Nah, it’s karma.
I will let them know true misery.
native blade
Their true names can’t even be said in this server.