h1-discussion

[fair basalt]

meg doesnt help me defeat hades? this is so cringe 😭 i saved her for him only
i had 6 meg summons ready!!!!

[rustic vale]

You can only use 1 summon /room anyways, and also you need to meet certain requirements before Hades lets you use all companions against him

having 6 for Hades means you could’ve had 5 easier encounters earlier

[mint coral]

Imagine making a worker fight their boss

[rustic vale]

before Hades allows you to you can only use skelly and bouldy because they don’t work for him

[brisk trail]

Just a question can hades run on Linux?

[sleek robin]

Why not ? The problem would be the pc not linux ¿

I don’t see why a powerful pc on linux couldn’t do it

Is it better dusa’s companion or sissyphus’ ?

[stone rune]

meg

[sleek robin]

I don’t have her

That’s why i asked that

[gray apex]

Sisyphus is better

[sleek robin]

I see ty

I got the scene where meg was in my room one time so i need to wait till the 2nd time

[gray apex]

It'll help you rush through minibosses faster, not as good as Meg because the aoe is much smaller and the damage is lower. It'll give you a bit of gold tho to buy stuff.

[sleek robin]

I see

I see

Should i invest on beowulf

[gray apex]

Make it lv1 and try it

[sleek robin]

You know his build ?

The same as hera ?

[gray apex]

You can do the same as Hera with Crush Shot and Snow Burst but use Pstatus on the mirror instead. However there is a stronger Beo build due to a bug with Mirage Shot which makes it do 100% on the second projectile instead of the intended 30%. So you can start with Poseidon and take Flood Flare while looking for Artemis asap and forcing her in Asphodel for the attack, this will make you eligible for Mirage Shot then you just scale with poms, hermes, well items and Chaos.

[sleek robin]

Flood flate is his cast

?

[latent moon]

All casts on Beowulf turn to flares

So like crush shot from Aphrodite would become passion flare on Beowulf

[sleek robin]

I see

Ty

[sleek robin]

Got everything before asphodel

What keepsake should i take

I took the purse

[gray apex]

If the well has scaling -> Hourglass
If the well has an ixion -> Cosmic Egg
If none of the above -> Artemis for mark or Coin Purse if you're low on gold and need poms

That's usually the though process

[sleek robin]

What is ixion

[gray apex]

Chaos gate

[sleek robin]

I don’t rly like beowulf

It’s slow

Id rather play hera

Or achilles

[stone rune]

real

[sleek robin]

Jazz

For achilles, his speed build is it better zeus attack or artemis ?

[stone rune]

i mean like

both work

id prefer doing hunting blades

but i just play achilles on the side

[sleek robin]

Lol

You like giving answer outside the box

Ty anyway

[stone rune]

i’m literally a meta slave

[gray apex]

meanwhile the fastest weapon in the game:

[sleek robin]

Hestia isn’t meta

[stone rune]

lol

[sleek robin]

Lol

I knew it was used for speedrun but meh

[stone rune]

actually croven got a 427 hera yesterday

[sleek robin]

So what is the best weapon for this meta rn

Because hestia isn’t for sure

[stone rune]

🤔

[sleek robin]

And build *

[stone rune]

speedrun.com/hades

uhhh… looks like… hera!

[sleek robin]

This is for speedrun

[stone rune]

yeah definitely hera

100%

nothing better right

[sleek robin]

I see

[stone rune]

mhm

[sleek robin]

With crush shot

[stone rune]

not actually lmfao

beo

flood flare mirage etc etc

[sleek robin]

So it’s not hera ¿

[stone rune]

hera also cracked

[royal widget]

rip trippy flare

[stone rune]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d56DvDTE8WvQsMRQFs1pLbNpMBHy2CLYss69EL-8bMU/ see for yourself

[sleek robin]

Hmm

Ig it’s achilles

[stone rune]

what

[sleek robin]

Jk

[stone rune]

185 successor

[sleek robin]

Hmm

You know a build for lucifer ?

[royal widget]

triple bomb

[sleek robin]

Idk if it’s strong but it should be fun

You think it does the job with lvl 1

[stone rune]

uh

luci kinda needs lvls

you can do the meme builds without but strong builds no

[sleek robin]

What is his meme build ?

[stone rune]

there’s like

divine strike

super soaker is a classic

and uh

[royal widget]

what's that do

deadly reversal?

[stone rune]

deflect beam

with eternal chamber it is kinda funny

it doesn’t deflect whole beam though

[sleek robin]

Eternal chamber ?

[royal widget]

no reload and no ramping

[silver mica]

infinite ammo

[sleek robin]

Ooh

[stone rune]

it makes your gun a peashooter though

if you have %

flat damage it’s fine

so you make the game into a war of attrition

you cant get hit

but you barely hit your enemies

[sleek robin]

I see

[rustic vale]

One of the best luci first hammers if you don’t find triple though

[stone rune]

yeah because u usually go lightning strike

[sleek robin]

Ima get meg’s companion next time i see her finally

[wintry moat]

What's the meta chiron boon? Zeus special?

[latent moon]

dionysus if you can't guarantee concentrated volley

otherwise, artemis if you can

or any %

[unreal oracle]

[stone rune]

pos

imo

speedcord said arty isn’t too good and pos has shoals and kb utility

[rustic vale]

Zeus special isn’t meta for chiron since there are internal cooldowns on the lightning bolts so it’s 1 bolt/.2s/enemy

[wintry moat]

how can I guarentee concentrated?

[stone rune]

modded

[rustic vale]

Speedrun modpack

[latent moon]

well

that and also first hammer

[rustic vale]

or c1 hammer

[latent moon]

yeah thats what i meant

[stone rune]

is that how haelian does his weird hammer vids

cause there's always 3 options

[rustic vale]

conc > relentless for +% at levels 4 and 5

below that relentless is better

[latent moon]

he might have a seed generator

[stone rune]

yeah bc it seems miserable to have to give up and check first hammer on every weapon

[latent moon]

i remember watching a video where that was included but idr which one

[rustic vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/989610739721441330/chiron_bow_spread_sheet.png

[dire tendon]

how high can you get relentless with special chaining

[rustic vale]

Oh

Actually

I have that

[dire tendon]

is it infinite?

like go zagbow and just sit next to them

[latent moon]

you can chain 5 volleys with heroic swift flourish

[stone rune]

hitstun 😌

[latent moon]

so conc + relentless + heroic swift flourish is dummy thicc

[stone rune]

imagine the wall slam damage

can you hold the special button or do you have to spam it

[latent moon]

spam it

i think

[rustic vale]

1798 base damage without relentless

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/poy9W4ezOgJ

Megaera
77.27% (136 votes)
Ares
22.73% (40 votes)

[rustic vale]

3713 base damage with relentless

I also did all that math the annoying way rather then the simple way for whichever reason

[dire tendon]

wow that is a very high number surely chiron must be a good aspect --> clueless

[rustic vale]

well

You’d have to get conc, relentless, epic+ swift flourish and stand in place forever(however long 4 specials is with epic+ swift flourish

[dire tendon]

rip hyper delivery

[dire tendon]

does relentless stack between chained volleys

[rustic vale]

wdym

[stone rune]

greater delivery lmfao

[rustic vale]

It’s more arrows so it boosts the conc chain

Goes from 32 arrows to 48 arrows

[dire tendon]

like would the first arrow of the second volley be boosted by concentrated or relentless (the +3 idk)

i forgot which one

is the +3

[rustic vale]

Conc

[dire tendon]

ah

so does conc stack between chains

[rustic vale]

Basically with epic+ swift flourish, you can fit in 4 volleys that chain

It has to be epic or heroic swift flourish to chain conc

[dire tendon]

yeye

but what im asking is

[stone rune]

holy crap

[rustic vale]

Common and rare let you fit 4 volleys in but it doesn’t keep the chain going

[stone rune]

it's yeye

french pop genre

[dire tendon]

will the second volley start up with 46 damage

[dire tendon]

ah

[rustic vale]

yes that’s what I mean when I say it keeps the chain going with epic and heroic swift flourish

thats why relentless pushes it to almost double

[dire tendon]

instead of like

quintuple

or something insane

[rustic vale]

instead of way less

[dire tendon]

wait what

[rustic vale]

wait what what

[dire tendon]

so using these numbers

relentless 4 volleys would do 480 base

wait

nevermind im trippin

i got the two mixed up agian

[rustic vale]

no

You are mad tripping

And in a way I don’t understand

[rustic vale]

yes without concentrated, 4 volleys with relentless would do 480 base damage

all this chaining only works with concentrated

[stone rune]

and then like

so it's 12 with 4 volleys

so 24*47*3?

for additional conc

[rustic vale]

Hmm

actually

I’m double checking my math

Because I know there is an easier way to do this

[stone rune]

well it's the 47th triangular number multiplied by 3 isn't it

[rustic vale]

The spreadsheet way works 100%

but

There is an equation I vaguely remember

that should do the job

[stone rune]

n(n-1)/2

[rustic vale]

Yes

[stone rune]

lmfao

[rustic vale]

Thanks

Actually

No

Because of the 10

[stone rune]

what 10

[rustic vale]

10+3(n-1)

[stone rune]

the base damage?

base doesn't matter

[rustic vale]

Yeah

It does

[stone rune]

no

because like

if the base damage were 5

the conc volley extra damage wouldn't change

the overall would cahnge

[rustic vale]

It’s a difference of 480 base damage

[stone rune]

but not conc volley extra

i just said the extra damage

[rustic vale]

would be

48(3(47))/2

[stone rune]

yeah

namely 24*3*47

[sleek robin]

What is the best hammer for hera ?

[stone rune]

flurry

[sleek robin]

Ty

Why people act like fully loaded doesn’t exist

[rustic vale]

Because it doesn’t whenever you’re playing a castpect

Mainly being that people always find it when they aren’t playing one and never find it when they are playing one leading to people saying that

also fully loaded is just a dumb boon to get a hold of because you need 2 supporting artemis boons first before you can even find it

[sleek robin]

I see thanks

[rustic vale]

None of them being particularly good arte support boons either

[raw herald]

pp gud

[sleek robin]

Why meg isn’t there

It’s been 4 times i died

[stone rune]

rng and only after runs where you fight meg

[sleek robin]

That she don’t come ?

Or that she does

@stone rune +1 bloodstone or +35% cast dmg while i already got a + 30% dmg cast on hera

Idk what to do

The dmg would scale with the other and poms but another bloodstone is also good

I took dmg idk if it’s good

[latent moon]

Do you already have an extra stone from chaos

[sleek robin]

No

But i already got +30% cast dmg

[latent moon]

+1 stone would've been better

[sleek robin]

So i took the +35

U sure ?

[latent moon]

Yeah

because like

say each cast does base 100, and you have a 30% buff to each

[rustic vale]

more casts to multiply

[sleek robin]

30% + the dmg of one cast +35 % of this

X3

[rustic vale]

3 casts +65%
4 casts +30%

[sleek robin]

130 + 35% of 130

[latent moon]

so 130 per, total 520 with 4 stones
165 per, total 495? with 3 stones

[rustic vale]

No

[latent moon]

but also

[rustic vale]

100+65%
Not (100+30%)+35%

[latent moon]

the utility of having 4 stones is also really good and helpful

[sleek robin]

Hm isee

[rustic vale]

You can keep a few for later

[latent moon]

for first chaos, if you have +1 stone vs common cast buff, always take the 1 stone

you'd consider it more if it was a rare or epic cast buff

[rustic vale]

It’s easier to get additive damage then it is to get an extra cast

[latent moon]

braids are cheap lol

[rustic vale]

there are a lot more sources of additive

[royal widget]

does chaos rarity affect curse effect

[latent moon]

dont think so

tbh idrk lol

because i always skip over roiling

[mint coral]

From what i remember, nah it doesnt affect

[latent moon]

and the one that's -max hp i consider free most of the time

[raw herald]

% cast damage good for hitting breakpoints, also deals the damage quicker since more cast = more time

but i prefer +1

[wintry moat]

Finished my last achievement for hades, 99 runs total to get all the steam achievements. Maxed everyone's rep except demeter, wasn't interested in more bs farming to get the rng voice line to wait for her to open up

16 heat wasn't that bad, my rng sucked tho

[latent moon]

to be fair, +1 vs common shot will nearly always be +1 for first chaos

[stone rune]

beo takes purple over grasp for first chaos right

[wintry moat]

total time was 85 hours or so

[latent moon]

probably, because it can 1 shot (probably) instead of typical 2 shot

[stone rune]

now sub6

[latent moon]

get the last statue lol

[stone rune]

and 50 heat

[wintry moat]

no thanks, I don't like the hit boxes and the controls feel janky to me

[stone rune]

what

then why did u play the agme

[wintry moat]

I could but I don't want to, kinda like I don't want to bother farming the darkness to max the mirror or the blood to max all weapon

[latent moon]

that's... not related?

like

[stone rune]

if you dont like the way the game plays

why bother playing it

[latent moon]

good story, game mechanics, and art are still motivators

[stone rune]

yeah but that's game mechanics

controls

[latent moon]

roguelike genre then

[wintry moat]

my sister's bf really loves it, and I wanted to give it a fair try. It's an 8.5-9/10 game overall IMO. I'm very particular about how games play if I'm gonna dump more than 100 hours so 85 is well within what I was willing to put down.

[stone rune]

are u on kbm or gamepad as well

[wintry moat]

kbm

[latent moon]

tbh you dont need max mirror or aspect to get 32 heat

[stone rune]

for 32 literally all you need is greater reflex and stubborn defiance

[latent moon]

certainly helps ofc

[wintry moat]

I know, I could fish for a 32 heat run on 3-4 different weapons

but I don't want to.

[stone rune]

the other mirror options are just bonuses

[latent moon]

dark foresight

[stone rune]

eh

[wintry moat]

Like; I haven't done 9 challenge in shattered pixel dungeon. Could I? sure. But I don't want to put the effort in.

[stone rune]

you can still get by without it just needs a leaner build

[latent moon]

fair lmao

the "i could but whatever" mood lmao

[wintry moat]

I /really/ wish there was less dialogue farming. Maxing artemis was really tedious. I also wish I could pick my starting boon / hammer (yes I know there's mods, I don't like "reviewing" games based on mods)

[stone rune]

maxed save :croven:

[royal widget]

the lack of vanilla hammer control kinda sucks yeah

[wintry moat]

Hera crush shot for 3k+ crits might have been one of my absolute favorite builds I did

[latent moon]

well you can guarantee a god, but 3/4 chance to get what you want

[wintry moat]

Eris cluster + rocket bomb with artemis was also very fun

[latent moon]

hammer is rng tho

[stone rune]

needs more HESTIA💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[wintry moat]

which one is hestia

is that the reload? one

[latent moon]

yeah

[stone rune]

yes

[royal widget]

yes

[wintry moat]

I never bothered to learn that one

[stone rune]

BEST ASPECT IN THE GAME💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[royal widget]

Beowulf smh smh

[stone rune]

R -> M1

repeat

[wintry moat]

I played: Nemesis, Achilles, Zeus, Chiron/Hera/Rama, Demeter, and Eris

[wintry moat]

as in I never bothered to actually level and play it. I understand the idea. Just didn't seem appealing to me

[stone rune]

BEST ASPECT EVER💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[wintry moat]

Demeter with zeus was hilarious too

ty everyone for build help

o/

[stone rune]

you know

your name is like

a few extra letters and rearrangements from being hephaestus

[sleek robin]

I FINALLY GOT MEG’S COMPANION

[stone rune]

huge

[sleek robin]

And now it’s max level

[wintry moat]

yeah, it's not though. it's a long and convoluted story about how I came up with this name

[calm zenith]

Bouldy best companion

Meg users when they cant afford an early pom

Or an essential boon (this is not that common tbf)

[mint coral]

Most of the time you blame missing that 1 random gold pot anyways

[latent moon]

always

[calm zenith]

Bouldy fixes that without needing to start with purse

Tart Bouldy is worth bringing that companion alone

You just need to remember to use it appropriately.

Usually I just use it c2

Ensures I get to 150 for the midshop

Another niche use I think they fixed is, enemies including bosses would get lodged inbetween the obols and darkness

I did this to Lernie a lot to keep her in place

Since I started playing this month I've noticed that those kinds of items can move now though

Yet casts still get trapped in random pools you cant access

[wary charm]

how do i get companions?

[mint coral]

Give ambrosia to certain characters

[wary charm]

ok thanks

Never beat theseus tho

i focus asterius and die to theseus

i hate elisium

[calm zenith]

What weapon are you using

Theseus has 3 main threats. A basic spear throw (this also has retrieval damage), the spear spin, and the call

When he does the call, the rest of the kit gets that god's boon

You really need to be good at dodging him while dodging the minotaur

[rustic vale]

Theseus has threats?

Since when

[calm zenith]

You said you were using shield right? With that it's fairly simple. Mostly do Bull Rushes. Ideally you get Charged Shot.

Just time the release until the attack is gone

For new players sure

And some calls

[latent moon]

thunder flourish spear throw when it hits you behind a pillar lmao

[calm zenith]

For the part where the call circles move around the arena, you have to squeak out damage inbetween dashes

Dont do bull rush here until you are confident

That or focus your mirror more

you need to get good at the spear spin attack basically

Going off of what you're saying in new player chat

It doesnt go away. Quite the opposite. You'll see.

[rustic vale]

Just dash out of the way 🧠

Actually just mod your game so you can’t run out of dashes

[brisk trail]

It’s more that some games don’t work on Linux if downloaded via steam (I got a 2009 iMac with 16gb ram and 2terabite of memory yesterday)

[analog elbow]

@fleet lance In the mid-biome shops, you'll sometime see a bag behind Charon

[fleet lance]

so in asphodel or elysium?

[analog elbow]

Tartarus has a mid-level shop too

[fleet lance]

what do you mean by mid level

[analog elbow]

Well each biome has a set number of rooms you need to go through before clearing it

The mid-level shop is located somewhere around the halfway point of that biome

[fleet lance]

yea

oh

ight thx

how many rooms is it usually?

10 ?

[latent moon]

It's a range

[analog elbow]

It varies from biome to biome, but yea, more or less

[latent moon]

Tartarus midshop can be like chamber 6-10 or something

Asphodel typically 18-20?

Idk about Elysium

I wanna say like 30-33? Idk lmao

[stone rune]

it’s like a few chambers in to the chamber before the chamber before endshop

[latent moon]

That's clear

[stone rune]

idk man as

[raw herald]

29-32

Aspho 19-21

[stone rune]

32 wow

[raw herald]

21 is pretty rare tho

[stone rune]

society if you could get midshop in 33

[royal widget]

I've had shop -> Sisyphus -> shop

[stone rune]

also

i was watching

[analog elbow]

The ultimate time-save (-well)

[stone rune]

i think it was nnevic

and they were discussing with chat like which exit door the shop was typically on for some chambers?? is that fake news or actually a thing

[raw herald]

Ive heard its more likely to be from the side you entered from but idk how true that is

[royal widget]

zero consistency afaik

[fleet lance]

there's no spot in elysium to fish right?

[gray apex]

There's many

[analog elbow]

There are, but they're kinda hard to see. Keep your ears peeled for the ring

[fleet lance]

how do i send screenshots again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1092477070342361232/1092477181113929758/image.png

nm

is this the elysium midshop

[analog elbow]

Yes

But the bag is not always there

[fleet lance]

ah alright

[dawn hound]

If any Supergiant dev reads this, i was wondering if we're allowed to use the Hades music for our streams and such. /-
Like as an intro

[void vigil]

https://www.supergiantgames.com/blog/policy-on-lets-play-videos/

[dawn hound]

OH

Thank you so much!

I should've checked their website first /-\

[wary charm]

what do i do against the heroes bro?

i dodge everything and reflect asterius atacks and i still die every time

[dawn hound]

I mean if you still die everytime you can't be dodging everything /-\

But I'd reccomend completely ignoring Theseus and killing asterius first.

[wary charm]

im doing exactly that

i saw a guide on youtube

but theseus kills me alone every time

[dawn hound]

Hmmm what weapon are you using?
Maybe try a different one for now? ^^

[wary charm]

shield

spear

fist

i use talos aspect

and normal shield

[dire tendon]

with shield you can block all his attacks

so uh

block one, release the rush

[wary charm]

ok

[dire tendon]

do some damage, then block again

[wary charm]

i dont have hades bought tho

[stone rune]

what

[wary charm]

i play with my friends library

[dire tendon]

what

[stone rune]

ok?

[dire tendon]

ok

[wary charm]

he shares his games with me

[dire tendon]

ok?

[wary charm]

yes ok

[stone rune]

that's cool

[wary charm]

definitelly ok

and cool

[stone rune]

get chargd shot

or sudden rush

[wary charm]

if i get a hammer thats if

[dire tendon]

you will get 2 before t and a

[stone rune]

t and a lol

heroes moment

[dawn hound]

Lol

[dire tendon]

theseus aint no hero

we need a better name

[stone rune]

losers

[wary charm]

is a hammer guaranteed every run?

or just complete luck

[stone rune]

well

[dire tendon]

2 usually

[stone rune]

not 100% guaranteed but most likely you'll find 2

[dawn hound]

I have many words for theseus, none of them i can say here lmao

[stone rune]

most likely as in 99% of the time

[wary charm]

crazy

[stone rune]

do you just not ever take hammer doors

[dawn hound]

Asterious is cool tho, i like Asterious

[dire tendon]

what no dark foresight does to someone

i think dark foresight might influence hammers no

or wait you did mirrorless does it?

[dawn hound]

Nope, not every run will have hammers.
I've had runs where i didn't get any

[stone rune]

you still get 2 hammers every run

[royal widget]

be cool if you could buy pom slices and dice from wells

[fleet lance]

what is the most solid build/weapon

[royal widget]

merciful end

[stone rune]

HESTIA💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[royal widget]

goddammit

[fleet lance]

which weapon is that

[stone rune]

idk a vast majority of the time u will

[wary charm]

is crystal beam actually good or just a meme?

[stone rune]

it's literally hestia week

[dire tendon]

most consistent is likely something like beowulf or hestia

[royal widget]

meme

but usable

[stone rune]

i have to shill it

[fleet lance]

hestia is good?

[stone rune]

if you're putting beo you gotta put hera

[fleet lance]

also which one is beowulf

[wary charm]

whats with the crystal beam exactly

[void vigil]

I like crystal beam with glacial glare a lot

[royal widget]

hidden shield

[stone rune]

hera is a lot more consistent than beo

[wary charm]

red shield

dragon rush

[fleet lance]

ah

[wary charm]

cool shield

i want it

alot

[fleet lance]

i mean

[wary charm]

i love shield

[dire tendon]

yeah but beo is easy to play

[stone rune]

crystal beam does not do anything whatsoever until you get crystal clarity

[dire tendon]

so more consistent imo

[fleet lance]

the lucifer aspect seems much better than hestia

[dire tendon]

this is speaking from hera main

[stone rune]

lolwut

[dire tendon]

lmao nah

[wary charm]

im mad cause i cant get guan yu

[dire tendon]

luci is fun but mid

[stone rune]

i mean

[wary charm]

cause my dumbass upgraded achiles spear

[stone rune]

luci is good

[dire tendon]

unfortunately

[void vigil]

Hera is so easy to get strong builds on that it’s all I play nowadays

[stone rune]

achilles is good

[wary charm]

instead of buying more aspects

[royal widget]

is phalanx flare workable

[stone rune]

it's worse passion flare

[wary charm]

its good but i wanted guan yu for unlockable beowulf shield

[dire tendon]

i guess its consistent buildwise but a bit tougher to actually play

[stone rune]

you can certainly do it

but like

just do passion flare

then you can get pstatus

[royal widget]

lmao

[void vigil]

<— bow enjoyer

[royal widget]

Beowulf smhsmh

[latent moon]

i mean if you get a replacement later on after mirage shot, it's pretty good

ofc makes styx harder because it can't hit through walls

[stone rune]

why do some flares not hit through walls

doesn't base flare hit through walls

[latent moon]

not sure

i thought it was just flood flare

[stone rune]

i swear it does

[latent moon]

because of the whole knockback thing

[stone rune]

because ive hit through walls on hammer start

[upper thorn]

Im having the build of my lifr

[royal widget]

honestly shackle > icy/lightning flare

[latent moon]

yeah

[stone rune]

well

thunder flare is litearlly just like

one (1) bolt from lightning reflexes

except with higher base damage

so i guess it'd be great supporting boon on hestia

has anyone done a lightning reflexes only run

parry build

[latent moon]

that's just worse thunder dash only lmao

[stone rune]

but it's like

you have to be the dodgy

[latent moon]

if you dash enough times you'll get it

[royal widget]

i think i might have seen a Gilgamesh run with thunder dash + reflexes

and vengeance

[upper thorn]

Lmao 7 loaded casts on hera bow https://imgur.com/a/ucxcnQO

[fleet lance]

whats the max lvl for the stygian blade zagreus aspect

[royal widget]

5

+15%

[stone rune]

all things have 5 levels

and don't level zagsword

[fleet lance]

so im guessing its worth to upgrade to max for the quest

[stone rune]

i mean

sure lol

if you're not short blood

[fleet lance]

its 6 diamonds

[stone rune]

huh

[royal widget]

the reward

[stone rune]

oh

sure i guess

[latent moon]

it's "worth" to max for the quest lmao

[fair basalt]

hades soundtrack is so good i wish i could re-experience it again
so when is hades 2 coming out?

[latent moon]

there hasn't been any updates since the trailer afaik

[royal widget]

20 minutes

[twilit lodge]

Just got told I’m not good at hades by someone because I said chaos shield isn’t good

[silver mica]

Chaos shield best bow

excluding Coronacht

[stone rune]

charged shot best bow

[silver mica]

explosive & charged skewer best bow

[cloud echo]

Can you use legendary companions against Hades? Mine doesn’t seem to work

[dire tendon]

you need to unlock the ability through dialogue

[stone rune]

you have to play more

[twilit lodge]

Only companions who aren’t employees of the house can be used against Hades at first

So, Skelly and Sisyphus

Eventually you’re able to use any of them against him

[silver mica]

Wow I didn't know that

I only tried with Dusa and Meg before figuring none worked

[gentle flower]

give nectar to dad

[latent moon]

Lmfao

Tbf

Chaos shield is technically good because it's a shield

[twilit lodge]

I said exactly that lol

[latent moon]

Honestly based

Was it reddit

[twilit lodge]

Content warning: discord light mode

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053558677086412830/1092535140682563584/IMG_6238.png

[latent moon]

Oh lmao

Send them the video of angel beating 60something heat with chaos

And tell them to count how many times the special is used

And when

[twilit lodge]

Lol

Lonk it

It’ll be funny too cuz the server owners gf is named angel

[latent moon]

Oh bruh unmodded chaos only beat 55

[twilit lodge]

Wowww common chaos L!!!

[latent moon]

Zag has 60 lol

It's in the pins of #h1-high-heat-strategies

[twilit lodge]

Absolutely chaos

[latent moon]

Modded is labeled and would have a higher heat number than unmodded if you want to use that

I didn't watch unmodded so idk if they used the special

But I do know angel presses it like 3 times

[stone rune]

what server is this

[silver mica]

goddamn dude you gotta spoiler that

[stone rune]

a RICOCHET BUILD?

WHAT IS A RICOCHET BUILD?

[silver mica]

traumatising fr /j

[gentle flower]

ricochet fire 💀

[stone rune]

it's chaos lmfao

[gentle flower]

ik

[stone rune]

are they talking about

[silver mica]

dread flight charged shot?-

[stone rune]

....dread flight?

NO WYA

DREAD FLIGHT LMFAO

[silver mica]

i think?

[latent moon]

What's the clear time lmao

[stone rune]

super29

[silver mica]

honestly idm dread flight if i'm messing around

[stone rune]

idk i wouldn't like to be without the part of the weapon that does damage for such an extended period

[twilit lodge]

Bruh angel opened the menu in this run

Disqualified!!!!!

[stone rune]

menu?

[silver mica]

I used it with a heroic aphro special and charged flight

[stone rune]

holy crap lois 3 damage

[silver mica]

and it worked pretty well

[twilit lodge]

I feel bad for angel cuz this tart is nothing but savior numbskulls

[stone rune]

what's even dropped here

cp1 ri3 and what

[twilit lodge]

https://youtu.be/N4tC4VDHA6Y

[stone rune]

that timer has to be hurting

[twilit lodge]

Feb 22 I think

2022

[stone rune]

modded

[twilit lodge]

Yeah modded

[stone rune]

oh yeah did u go away

u used to be more active here

[twilit lodge]

Angel is using the special against witches in aspho

There goes my moral high ground against ricochet build man

[stone rune]

it has select uses

just not many of them

same way beo uses special a bit in tart

for cleanup

[twilit lodge]

Angel is too good at this game, it’s always so impressive

He went to prison

[latent moon]

64 modded seeded was cleared

seeded is just starting boon

for epic thunder flourish

[stone rune]

seeded for i think epic flourish and jolted?

[latent moon]

not jolted i dont think

[stone rune]

oh

wait

[latent moon]

oh yeah that was by a chinese guy

[twilit lodge]

Who got the seeded 64

[stone rune]

it was modded right

what's the point of seeding for first boon

resetting for epic isn't that bad

[latent moon]

epic

[stone rune]

just takes a while

[latent moon]

would rather just not tbh lmao

[stone rune]

takes like 5 minutes a try

[latent moon]

see

that's a lot of 5 minutes

[stone rune]

yeah i guess

it's like 10

[latent moon]

no pride

[stone rune]

yeah

[twilit lodge]

World record c1 boon time

[stone rune]

resetting for epic on chiron 50 has been kind of annoying

[twilit lodge]

30 seconds

[stone rune]

0.55

[latent moon]

mysterra also did a 63 heartbreak flourish run, wasn't hell mode

[stone rune]

oh yeah people have been posting crazy nonsense recntly

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1091974910542368828/image.png?width=1246&height=701

[twilit lodge]

What’s hypermodded

[latent moon]

no one's used it for heat yet afaik other than amb, who did rama 62

and she only used it for hermes

[stone rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1092072985747267624/image.png?width=1318&height=701

[twilit lodge]

Absolutely Rama

[latent moon]

idk if she did it for second hammer too, but def first hammer like normal

yeah

just guarantee at least 1 dash from hermes and it's doable

but tbf

hypermodded can make a lot of stuff more viable at extremely high heats

[stone rune]

hyper heat is fake imo

you can force +dashes

thats why hyper heat kinda fake

nullifying ap2 and ri means you don't need to have those lean builds

they're still gonna be pretty lean

but like

[latent moon]

i mean dc2 would just shut it down lmao

[stone rune]

you're gonna havae more than 3 boons

[stone rune]

tbh tdash +3 dashes could make dc1 possible

[latent moon]

does hypermodded allow for epic hermes

or is that still just rng

[stone rune]

yes

it's a setting

[latent moon]

i mean

probably tbh

[stone rune]

50 is really not that bad

[latent moon]

iirc it can guarantee your second god on the miniboss door

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

so you can just reset for mirage shot lol

[stone rune]

so MEspects are free

[latent moon]

and that

like

[stone rune]

hestia gets free aph atk

but 50 even just modded is pretty free if you're using a good aspect

[latent moon]

you could probably get a whole anyheat build at 50 a lot easier

[latent moon]

iirc they couldn't get passion flare beo at 50

i forgot the reason why tho

[stone rune]

beo hard

[latent moon]

might've been bad ely?

[stone rune]

hestia ez

[latent moon]

and time or something

[stone rune]

modded hestia 50 the only big things are getting like some kind of %s and getting patty

[latent moon]

oh yeah i need to get my 45 hestia done

still sad i threw my run

[stone rune]

hestia heat is free up till you have to take em4

or well

up until em4 is the only reasonable option

maybe i should actually go clear 54 so im not just making this up

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/wby5A6Ja7yA

Moros 9.09% (9 votes)
Zag 90.91% (90 votes)

[mint coral]

The poll of all time certainly

[dire elk]

Why is this chat so dead

[latent moon]

did you expect the chat to be 100% active or something

[raw herald]

Ye

[dire elk]

Well I didn't think such a good game's discord would be so dead

[latent moon]

i mean it's active a good chunk of the time

sometimes it's not

[dire elk]

It's never active when I'm on though lol

[latent moon]

not much we can do about that lmao

[dire elk]

Anyways, what would you say is the best weapon (without aspects) or maybe even listing them from best to worst

[latent moon]

there aren't really a clear cut of "best weapons", they're more separated between top and bottom half

shield, rail, and bow are considered top half

fists, sword, and spear are considered bottom half

[dire elk]

E

[latent moon]

the game is just generally anti-melee, so the melee aspects tend to do a bit worse, but they're all still very viable

[dire elk]

How it the spear that low

*is

It literally has the same, if not better range, than the rail and bow

[latent moon]

i mean it's just a melee weapon lol

rail and bow have longer range

not including spear throw

[dire elk]

Ok

[latent moon]

the spear throw isn't really the core of a spear build unless it's guan yu or exploding launcher + charged skewer

[dire elk]

Then you could just disclude the rails shot

[latent moon]

????

the main attack??

[dire elk]

My bad

The rocket

[latent moon]

i mean i kinda did

[dire elk]

Literally it's best range

[latent moon]

i wasn't even considering the rocket bomb hammer

[dire elk]

And the bow is garbage

[latent moon]

it's not

[dire elk]

NO damage output

[latent moon]

it probably feels terrible for you because you might not be dash striking to charge the bow

[dire elk]

Slow asf

[latent moon]

which charges it faster

[latent moon]

rama and hera are known for big chunks, zag bow has crits

[dire elk]

And I honestly don't get why the fists are the second hardest to get

[latent moon]

in fact, hera and rama hold first and second place for speedrunning (unmodded)

so there def is damage output

[latent moon]

well the gameplay for fists is relatively straight forward

they're not hard to learn

[analog elbow]

Dash-attacking is definitely the way to go with the bow

[latent moon]

it's just that it's less good compared to others

like i said

all the weapons are viable and will work

just some are better than others

[dire elk]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[latent moon]

some are slightly stronger just because of the way the game is designed

[analog elbow]

Gimme some dual strike artie attack any day

[latent moon]

yeah, twin shot on zag or rama are extremely strong

[analog elbow]

Twin shot, there we go, ty

Every wep has strong builds, you just gotta find them

[latent moon]

that's also very true

[dire elk]

What about hades aspect with quick charge

[latent moon]

hades spear isn't considered a good aspect lol

mainly because most consider spin as not great

[dire elk]

Doom and max shards

[latent moon]

they'd rather have flurry jab as a hammer

and hades spear can't get flurry jab

[dire elk]

Free damage

[latent moon]

so is flurry jab

[dire elk]

Percent

Again

[latent moon]

flurry jab achilles

[dire elk]

Doom and shards

[latent moon]

also 150%

also wdym by "shards"

[analog elbow]

The spear is nice but it's not liked by many because it's kinda slow and the dmg falls off

[dire elk]

Cast

[analog elbow]

It's not bad imo, but not good for stuff like speedruns

[latent moon]

or heat

well achilles did recently get 60 heat iirc

[dire elk]

Night upgrade where having blood shards in someone makes them take more damage

[latent moon]

oh boiling blood

i mean

same with achilles lol

except achilles is just a lot easier to use

buffing yourself is a lot more intuitive than debuffing enemies

a lot easier and faster as well

[analog elbow]

You simply don't have enough time with Hades, but this is some high heat we're talking

It's completely usable into the 40's imo

[latent moon]

i mean yeah anything works like i said lol

it's natural for stuff to drop off in the extremes

well

some stuff

most stuff really

[analog elbow]

Right

[latent moon]

if you like using hades spear with quick spin that's fine

[analog elbow]

It's a favorite of mine as well, but I wouldn't push 50+ with it lol

That's just madness

[latent moon]

yeah i enjoy playing fists every now and then but i'm not taking that over 32 lmao

[stone rune]

doesn't really fall off because it never starts lol

it has 2 low damage and medium frequency attacks

[analog elbow]

Idk man, serrated point is quite nice

Though tying your damage to your dash can be problematic

It definitely needs some buffs, so let's hope we can have these issues uncovered during the sequel EA this time lol

[latent moon]

i hope there's another beo bug in hades 2

would be funny

[stone rune]

i hope not

we need op bug

society if there was no beo bug and wall bug

[analog elbow]

I mean not announcing bugs and abuses simply to gain faster time seems kinda dumb

[stone rune]

well there will inevitably be at least 1 funny speed bug

[latent moon]

well, the beo bugs were found after ssg stopped working on the game

[stone rune]

i just would like it to be mirage shot but for hestia

[latent moon]

so like

if we find beo bugs after the EA and everything, then that would be funny

[analog elbow]

Yea, that's fine, but jazz made it sound like bugs and such shouldn't be reported during EA simply for faster times

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[stone rune]

yeah no

i would report mirage hestia bug if i found it

just with a heavy heart

[latent moon]

in the speedcord we talked about not reporting them and just keeping it quiet but i doubt that would actually happen lmao

[stone rune]

that would be funny though

[latent moon]

as funny as it would be, i think we all would

clipping out of the map is objectively funny, but i would report it

[stone rune]

i wouldnt report the achilles map clip tbh

no practical uses

and it would be funny

and my favorite games are a testament to the fact that funny bugs = features

[analog elbow]

I'm on board as long as they don't affect gameplay

[twilit lodge]

Me when someone thinks they found a new underrated strategy for a proven bad weapon

https://tenor.com/view/oh-honey-trixie-matelle-dragqueens-rupaul-gif-10544340

TFW embed but no animate

There we go

[royal widget]

aphro attack Gilgamesh

trust me

[stone rune]

idk it's possible

[rustic vale]

a) it’s not underrated, it’s straight up just bad
b) it’s not underrated they just live under a rock
c) it’s not a proven bad weapon they’re just a redditor

[stone rune]

like rod

but yeah if someone comes in thinking it's op

[rustic vale]

any of those are likely to be true

[stone rune]

and they're new

[latent moon]

just never dash strike lol

[stone rune]

it's probably not

[latent moon]

standing strike gilga only

[rustic vale]

support fire rail is op guys

[latent moon]

buffer your atk from your shorter dash such that you can do a standing strike after dashing

[stone rune]

support fire??

[twilit lodge]

Man I remember when support fire felt so op

[stone rune]

btd6????

oh wait

[twilit lodge]

I miss living in ignorance like that

[stone rune]

i mean

it's still a good supporting fds boon

[rustic vale]

Eh

[twilit lodge]

Fds, the classic Artemis build

[rustic vale]

not exactly

[stone rune]

zagrail:

eris:

luci:

[rustic vale]

zag rail would rather aphro

so would luci

[stone rune]

huh

on special?

[rustic vale]

and eris could take aphro for smair

[raw herald]

arty clears

[stone rune]

zagrail and luci both want arty

it's a higher percent

zap isn't zeus aphrodite poseidon

[twilit lodge]

Uhm the letters fit 🤓

[rustic vale]

Compared to aphro? No

smair and big consistent special damage

[stone rune]

what

[raw herald]

no but i beat my anyheat pb

twice

[twilit lodge]

Congrats! 🎉

[rustic vale]

W

[twilit lodge]

Twice! 🌽 🎉

[stone rune]

all rails want arty special

[raw herald]

🌽🎉

[stone rune]

is this modded and unmodded or 2 lowers

[rustic vale]

also

[raw herald]

2 unmodded

[rustic vale]

They’re cool

Just not as cool

[raw herald]

my modded pb is from jan

[stone rune]

oh

[stone rune]

it's literally a higher number

[twilit lodge]

Aphrodite is literally higher numbers

[rustic vale]

Zag rail: aphro > athena (funni ME) > arte

[stone rune]

no it's not?

[twilit lodge]

Arty is sometimes higher numbers

[stone rune]

96%>80%

[stone rune]

5 rockets

[latent moon]

isn't the idea just "pick whatever you see first"

does it really matter lmao

[rustic vale]

The difference between aphro and arte is sometimes overkilling something and other times under killing versus consistent killing

[twilit lodge]

5 rockets or 1 rocket, the crit chance is still the same

[stone rune]

no

it is not

[twilit lodge]

Yes

It is

[stone rune]

it's per hit

[rustic vale]

5 rockets makes it more consistent

[stone rune]

individual rocket each can crit

[twilit lodge]

Aphro gang

[latent moon]

this is a very arbitrary argument

[stone rune]

bosses:

[latent moon]

i'm just gonna attempt 45 hestia again instead of reading this

[twilit lodge]

GL

[stone rune]

clockets is always overkill

[rustic vale]

Cluster bomb brings it up to like a 67% chance for 1 crit

per special

[stone rune]

even with common arty clockets will still be hitting breakpoints

because it's a nuke

[rustic vale]

Average room go fast

True true

[raw herald]

at least 1

[twilit lodge]

The breakpoint in question: unshielded numbskull

[rustic vale]

3rd best zag rail special is def athena though because funii ME

[stone rune]

holy crap lois

[rustic vale]

🤨

[stone rune]

400 damage kills an unarmored numbskull

[rustic vale]

400 damage kills a shielded numbskull

over 5 hits

[twilit lodge]

really makes you think

[raw herald]

on eris breakpoints matter les

[stone rune]

eris fakespect

[raw herald]

once you have the build ofc

and arty benefits more from the eris buff than the others

[rustic vale]

Also

[raw herald]

except flat damage lol

[rustic vale]

Aphro is hitting those breakpoints consistently until you find cluster bomb

[stone rune]

just get clockets c2

[rustic vale]

[stone rune]

🙄

[rustic vale]

Then triple 2nd hammer after that ofc

[royal widget]

triple hazard clockets

[rustic vale]

That’s when you pick up targetting system 2nd hammer then anvil into it

[calm zenith]

Arte is harder to build, Aphro is consistent baseline

A good Arte run with mark, especially in a crit aspect, will probably out damage an aphro run

That doesnt amount to similar times since the Artemis build will struggle more initially, but still

You may end up saving time elsewhere

Certainly can save a lot of time on Champions

[stone rune]

hestia will force arty if atk had

[calm zenith]

You can get like 2 second fights

[twilit lodge]

Sub3 heroes when

[calm zenith]

Arte also benefits more from Chaos I think