h1-discussion

[sleek robin]

I’ve unlocked every weapons finally

[calm zenith]

Nice

Go gilga now

Sea storm tdash build

Use relentless reflex

[upper thorn]

Lmao I got all the aid charge faster booin

With epic zeus aid lvl 3

With jolted of

Ofc

[sleek robin]

Never heard about that one

[grave chasm]

Update on the sea storm build: https://prnt.sc/C1lZu-1XsHgc

Strongest build I have ever made

[sleek robin]

How did you only made 1 run

[latent moon]

Probably god mode

It's tracked separately

[latent moon]

Super soaker at home lol

[sleek robin]

I see

[grave chasm]

Yeah, just got back into Hades a little under a week ago

[sleek robin]

Do you know the gilga sea storm build ?

[grave chasm]

was using god mode while I got used to the game again

[sleek robin]

Can you help me with this build pls

[azure quail]

finally met thanatos

only took me like 8 hrs.....

[sleek robin]

How ??

I got him like naturally

[azure quail]

bc i could never get past the stupid bone hydra

i killed it then i met him in elysium

i ve had this game for a while but i didnt play that often, im getting more into it lately

[sleek robin]

Oh i see

Once u do good builds and beat hades once or twice it gets way easier

If you struggle with builds ppl are here to help you

[upper thorn]

Highest cast damage in the game?

[latent moon]

aphrodite

although depends on the rest of the build most of the time

[royal widget]

could have sworn it was dio

yeah it's dio

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007734863186624562/1091452661636804659/output.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007734863186624562/1091452682293739530/output.png

[latent moon]

oh wait yeah i forgot dio existed lmao

[covert oracle]

The hades wiki says hermes can show up only twice as room rewards. If hermes is offered in shops, does that mean i can get more than 2 of his boons?

[latent moon]

yes and no

[void vigil]

you can get a third in styx shop instead of an anvil, but otherwise, only two

[latent moon]

the only time you can get a 3rd hermes is by buying it in styx shop

[calm zenith]

Get tidal dash early and pom it lots. Get Zeus attack and probably Poseidon special. Use Maim if you want more tdash dmg but it is risky and usually not worth it without the Rending Claws hammer.

[covert oracle]

so buying hermes before then is worthless?

[latent moon]

but if you buy hermes from like a tartarus shop, you'll only be able to get his boon 1 more time until styx, where you have a 50% chance to buy him again

[sleek robin]

I heard that poseidon atk and zeus cast was a build too

[covert oracle]

idk why they would have you able to buy hermes when it's a waste of coin

(except in styx)

[royal widget]

sometimes you need hyper sprint + rush delivery + greater haste

[latent moon]

mainly seen in speedruns

getting an early +dashes or hyper sprint is good

because if you dont buy hermes, that means your first natural hermes will be in asphodel

and from a speedrunning perspective, that's not too bad ofc but it'd be better if you had one earlier

[royal widget]

interesting how +dashes isnt taken for dash only runs
but double damage rush delivery op

[latent moon]

for example, if i bought hermes in tartarus midshop and got hyper sprint i'd be able to maneuver through tartarus faster
and say the first reward in asphodel is hermes, if i get rush delivery from that then i get a damage boost through the rest of asphodel

rather than like, half of asphodel or even part of elysium wont have the damage boost

[stone rune]

the real reason is you get to reset earlier instead of having to play thru tart

[calm zenith]

+dashes is taken if you dont get HyperRush from Hermes

And in a perfect world you get all 3. I almost did on Nemesis the other day. Yarn on a Styx shop Hermes

[latent moon]

is +dashes really not taken for dash only

[calm zenith]

Got cast crap

It is

I do

It increases dash boon dmg a lot

[latent moon]

well i mean dashes vs rd

[calm zenith]

Just like hyperrush

[stone rune]

wr has rd i think

but wr also has greater reflex

[sleek robin]

Should i got for tdash first or attack?

[calm zenith]

Yeah relentless vs greater is debatable

Tdash imo

You want poms on it

Your Zeus attack needs less poms

Jolted later will want poms too

[sleek robin]

Well is it better poseidon or zeus attack

[calm zenith]

Try to get breaking wave too

Zeus

[sleek robin]

Cuz after with the duo poseidon get better

[calm zenith]

Fair but Poseidon special is way better

[latent moon]

pos atk sucks

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[sleek robin]

I don’y rly use special on gilga

[latent moon]

ideally you'd do something like
tdash -> zeus atk -> pos special/cast/call -> sea storm

because tdash doesnt open sea storm

[calm zenith]

And still fills the duo req. Tdash isnt a req for sea storm

Fair. Just remember that rending claws is solid imo at least

Solid 2nd option after breaching

[latent moon]

maim is good if you dont get hit lol

[calm zenith]

Yeah exactly

And you get hit less when you dash only

Since dash strikes break dash invuln

[latent moon]

exploding upper is better as a second from what i've heard because of funny global debuff on heroes makes big meg

[calm zenith]

That's how I see it at least

Fair

I just tend to go for the global dmg with dash focused builds

[latent moon]

if it's dash only hammers don't matter

[calm zenith]

Fair

And how liberal you mean by dash only. I've done true dash only and yeah hammers dont matter

If you just want to spotlight the dash boon then rending is solid

Explosive is also solid ofc

Breaching honestly might not matter so much for armor at least with tdash builds

Tdash should shred the armor

Still probably your first option

Ignoring shields is nice since dash boons dont do that

[sleek robin]

This build need so many boons that’s amazing

How you managed to get all of em

[calm zenith]

Manipulating rng and picking up Refreshing Nectar and Yarns of Ariadne.

Lots of attempts. I guess being careful/lucky with orders and what keepsakes I take and keep on.

Good reroll choices

I probably could get even more duos and legendaries/Hermes and Chaos stuff if I focused less on rarity.

But I like purple.

Take keys too

At least with the contractor upgrades

One of them gives you an extra reroll whenever you get a key as a chamber reward.

Nectar as a chamber reward (or from that Dio boon) is a random Pom, like a Pom slice.

So that Dio boon is actually good lol

Unpommable too

Better than a lot of Dio boons a lot of the time, because at least if you're using the mirror option that isnt Privileged Status (I forget the name), you get the global damage buff.

Strong Drink is excellent too

[sleek robin]

Dio ??

[calm zenith]

Unpommable and if you get it early, it provides non-inconsequential dmg

Yeah

[sleek robin]

Why dio

I make sea storm

¿

[calm zenith]

Dio showing up is good for your boon pool sometimes

For the nectar, or even exclusive access. Just dont force him.

[royal widget]

not the damage resistance one though

[calm zenith]

Just solid if he shows up

I thought positive outlook was good

Just the healing one is bad

I dont like either because they're pom thieves

[royal widget]

after party good, positive outlook bad

[sleek robin]

Do zeus special open their duo boon ?

[calm zenith]

Love unpommable Dio boons though

No

Not unless you get trippy shot

Or do you mean sea storm

All core Zeus and Poseidon boons open it, including casts

Excluding dashes, though I think Zeus dash may actually count.

Tdash is just a stronger dash so they removed it.

Blade Dash builds on Gilga are also solid but harder to build.

Probably worse overall but I have a soft spot. That's how I got my first win.

Engulfing is essential.

Vicious Cycle is also bad but I forget why.

Doesnt work properly or something.

Still does a lot of dmg with HyperRush.

[royal widget]

i need to get a good blade cast run sometimes

i'm always off

ares lego and HB are all i need

[calm zenith]

You dont need the Lego. I would focus Mirage more.

Aka just force Poseidon in Elysium

Hopefully it ties together there or by Styx

And ideally Poseidon appears naturally so you have more chances or can slim his boon pool.

Though Poseidon boons kinda suck to slim

[sleek robin]

I hate this build. Why is it harder to make than ME

[calm zenith]

He's hard to build with

Because ME is meta

You dont need sea storm

It's just fun

With ME you need ME

And you need ddash too

So going like curse of pain/divine flourish/ddash or ME is rough

Because if you dont get ME it might not appear for a while.

If you dont get ddash it might not appear for a while.

And I doubt taking ddash first helps. Just seems to cause the same issue and delay boons by 1, potentially meaning you dont have the prereqs for ME for a boosted and/or boss boon where you have better chances.

ME is itself a hard build. Just immediately better.

You could just do ME + Deadly Reversal tbh

It's just ME+

And harder

Deadly Reversal is 20% crit for like 3 seconds after a deflect

Wont always be active but if you time dashes right, and even if you dont, you can get 20% crit on your Dooms.

Pick up a PP with it

Dont get support fire. Fully Loaded could block Deadly Reversal.

That's one way to spice up ME though.

[sleek robin]

What’s the best build rn ?

Because i see some strong ones but everyone say that it’s actually bad so what would it be ?

[mint coral]

best build for what

[sleek robin]

In the game

[mint coral]

if you just want a win then you might as well say anything

if you wanna go fast there are some easier aspects than others but lots of them are meta

[sleek robin]

Not just win but have fun

[mint coral]

same for heat or specific in challenges

have you tried yo-yo talos then?

[sleek robin]

Cuz i hate hestia so i won’t play it even tho it’s the best

[mint coral]

is dumb fun (till you get to a boss)

[sleek robin]

No

[mint coral]

get talos, slap poseidon special in there and maybe add breaking wave/whatever is the name of the other wall slam boon

there

after that you manage for yourself how to get boss dmg

[latent moon]

typhoons fury

[grave chasm]

Anybody else here dedicated their time to completing the "gift of song" prophecy?

[latent moon]

nope

[mint coral]

through a call, tidal dash, etc

[mint coral]

ty

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/mpnboOLrwg5

Aphrodite 73.23% (145 votes)

Hecate 26.77% (53 votes)

What has my life lead to lol

[sleek robin]

I’m never playing sea storm ever again.

I tought this build could lead me out of the hell but i can’t pass trough asphodel.

[calm zenith]

I did. It takes a while but you will get progress.

It's meant to take a while

[grave chasm]

I have been doing nothing but it for an hour...

still not done

[calm zenith]

Yup

Take a break and do it again later

[grave chasm]

nvm, just got the Orpheus dialogue

quest completed

[calm zenith]

Nice

[grave chasm]

Do you know which gods attack is god with Lucifer rail

was going to goof off and try a sea storm build

[sleek robin]

My nightmare

[stone rune]

zeus

[sleek robin]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

FINALLY

I managed to get this build and beated hades

What’s the best zoos call ?

[stone rune]

uh

i think theres only 1 zoos call

[sleek robin]

Build *

I forgot

[stone rune]

call build or zeus build

[sleek robin]

Zoos call build

[stone rune]

uh

just

get more zeus

get smair

thats about it

[sleek robin]

Yea but wich weapon + aspect

[stone rune]

i mean

doesnt really matter after you get smair

the call isn't really the focus of any build

it's just nice to have especially if you're doing an aph atk/special build

[sleek robin]

I see

[grave chasm]

also to whoever said Artemis has no legendary and that fully loaded is just hard to get, https://prnt.sc/uyG26qP_Ayxv

[stone rune]

why did you post a blank screenshot

[sleek robin]

You know who else is hard to get ?

It’s not blank

[grave chasm]

wdym?

[sleek robin]

My mom

[stone rune]

that screenshot looks like it's supposed to be a boon but there's nothing there

[sleek robin]

It’s fully loaded

The legendary of artemis

[stone rune]

huh

artemis doesn't have a legendary

[sleek robin]

That give bloodstones +2

[stone rune]

you can only get stones from chaos and wells 🙄

[grave chasm]

https://prnt.sc/w0bbkudtr_Sc

[stone rune]

huh?

why is there a missing slot

[grave chasm]

Oh wait... I just realized that it's like the 4th edition of dnd, and everybody is just ignoring its existence

[calm zenith]

Smair is good on Eris

It has a global dmg buff so it buffs the call too

[rustic vale]

Fully loaded only exists if you aren’t playing castpects

It’s not like 4e

You just don’t find it when playing castpects

[grave chasm]

Castpects?

[rustic vale]

aspects that actually buff your casts or focus on your cast

[grave chasm]

oh

[rustic vale]

It’s also just

A pain to get in the first place because it has 2 artemis supporting boons

Afaik 4e gets ignored for different incorrect reasons

[stone rune]

4e?

is this a dn

[rustic vale]

Fourth Edition -> 4e

[calm zenith]

I get fully loaded on castpects plenty but yeah easier sources

[grave chasm]

I did a vengeful mood lucifer build...

https://prnt.sc/uJvFfp1s562e

[stone rune]

no hunting blades 😧

[stone rune]

btw

if you're doing your first few heats

heightened security is really frustrating for 1 heat

[grave chasm]

Why?

[stone rune]

dad pots for 150

[grave chasm]

and also I was doing it for the prophecy

[stone rune]

styx traps for a lot

[grave chasm]

to escape with every condition

[stone rune]

i see

[grave chasm]

have already done damage control, tight deadline, and extreme measures

and those are the easiest ones

[stone rune]

uh

dc is not easy

easiest pacts are

extreme measures, tight deadline, underworld customs, middle management

[grave chasm]

oh, I personally think dc is easy

at least at low heat

[crude oxide]

Can someone send me the guide for speedrunning with eris rail?

[stone rune]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12mccSl9SRsrval1qJO_UwIoyylflzbRU/view

[crude oxide]

Ty

[grave chasm]

now that's a lot of duo boons https://prnt.sc/pFJ8ew2aN8oq

I now have the lucifer super soaker build

https://prnt.sc/VyHLaXTyAwDC

[latent belfry]

666

[royal widget]

i dont usually take chaos when i'm running flat damage builds: zeus^2, ME, dio

is that wrong?

[stone rune]

fine mostly

[woven nacelle]

Is there any way to speed up bow builds? I’ve been playing Hera trippy shots and been getting like 20 min runs on low heats

Albeit with 5 min time limits trying to force myself to rush

[stone rune]

experience

and pausing while you make decisions

[rustic vale]

Trippy shot is inherently slow

make sure you are dash striking

You can watch the speedrunning guide that gets linked by someone every day

uh

[stone rune]

i mean

on hera

it has pretty huge damage

[rustic vale]

3 very generalised areas can be improved upon to make runs faster:
Heat pact itself (fo2 em2)
Builds skill
Mechanical skill

[rustic vale]

Yes but the huge damage doesn’t offset the slowness of regaining casts with it and need for rng into more casts

[woven nacelle]

Yeah no I agree with drunken dash guy

[stone rune]

oh yeah

on trippy you gotta use stygian

[stone rune]

that's why it's inherently a more rng build

and why crush shot is better

[rustic vale]

Crush shot is just better

💪

[woven nacelle]

Oh

[rustic vale]

[stone rune]

thank u dyno

[woven nacelle]

Anyways what I was saying

I haven’t played in a bit

But I know a lot about the game from when I was addicted mid 2021

Trippy shot is fun bc big numbers

[stone rune]

if you wanna get faster at hera watch croven

he probably has vods somewhere

[rustic vale]

Heat pact being mainly just
Turn on forced overtime 2 and extreme measures 2, and avoid bad pact options like jury summons, damage control and calisthentics programs

[woven nacelle]

I usually go em up to like 3 and the timer one

[stone rune]

well

[woven nacelle]

I haven’t beat em4 hades yet and I don’t plan on it anytime soon

[stone rune]

are you just trying to play the game faster

or are you trying to play the game fast

[woven nacelle]

Fair point

It started as #2

[stone rune]

because speedrunning is different from just trying to be better at time

time just comes from mechanics practice really

[rustic vale]

Builds depends on the aspect but it’s basically just your decisions on doors and when picking up stuff

mechanical skill also matters a ton

[woven nacelle]

Oh I’m not asking for speedrunning stuff I am nowhere near the caliber it takes for that

[stone rune]

and making the right decisions

[woven nacelle]

Also I’d be playing Eris for that 💀

[rustic vale]

…

[stone rune]

well i mean

[latent moon]

if you wanna stick with trippy shot, use stygian soul and pray to chaos to get more casts
if you wanna be fast on hera, take crush shot from aphrodite
you want to shoot the casts out as fast as possible, so you wanna get close to them and release an arrow as soon as possible. obv for certain ranges you gotta hold it a bit longer, but you really wanna stay between close-mid range

[rustic vale]

Hera is faster

[woven nacelle]

I think my problem comes from needing to charge things

[latent moon]

take flurry shot

[stone rune]

then get flurry

[rustic vale]

at least last time I check anyheat outside of seeded modded

[woven nacelle]

Bow and shield are regarded as the best weapons and I’m bad at both

[latent moon]

for hera specifically for your first hammer

[woven nacelle]

Noted

[stone rune]

HESTIA IS FASTEST 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪

[latent moon]

it's really not

[stone rune]

liar

[rustic vale]

Eris is only top weapon for like seeded modded anyheat

[stone rune]

deceit

seeded modded?

that's a fake cat lol

[latent moon]

routed

[woven nacelle]

It’s faster for me at least

[stone rune]

that's seeded unmodded

[rustic vale]

Wait a minute

Am I crazy

[stone rune]

why would you be seeding modded

[rustic vale]

There are runs

[latent moon]

oh wait lmao

[woven nacelle]

My lowest time from when I was playing religiously yet it’s only like 14:30 💀

[stone rune]

the seeded modded wr is an ocke 535 apparently

lmfao

[rustic vale]

that

[stone rune]

prob was a warmup run

no prior death

like i said

[latent moon]

the "forgot to show previous death" category

[rustic vale]

I’m confusing the routed run

[stone rune]

fake cat

[rustic vale]

You’re right

[stone rune]

routed is seeded unmodded

[latent moon]

i mean it take time and a lot of grinding lol

[rustic vale]

unseeded is hera no?

[woven nacelle]

I don’t understand routed runs ngl

[rustic vale]

modded and unmodded

[stone rune]

unseeded unmodded is hera

modded is beo lol

vorime 430

[woven nacelle]

Like doesn’t that kinda defeat the point of playing hades

[rustic vale]

oh rad

[woven nacelle]

Decisions on your feet and stuff

[latent moon]

i mean yeah

but also

it's like

[stone rune]

it's like

all mechanics

[latent moon]

what's the theoretical fastest a human can play the game

[stone rune]

although a very different kind of mechanics lmfao

[rustic vale]

Routed lets you now what is possible

[stone rune]

mechanics of trying not to get to the miniboss doors too fast

[stone rune]

i mean

[woven nacelle]

Mechanics of the same run over and over

[latent moon]

it's basically tas but with a human doing the thing

[rustic vale]

It’s the fastest or hardest yiu can possibly beat the game

[stone rune]

routed is pretty much flat impossible

because you would just

not do that

in an uns cat

[latent moon]

doing routed runs are unironically harder than a normal run

[rustic vale]

It is

[stone rune]

hyper is more like "what's the best you could do"

[rustic vale]

Uber hard to route a run

[stone rune]

if you like

open a door too fast

[latent moon]

1 wrong input means you start over lol

[stone rune]

or get a voiceline you shouldnt

run ded

[rustic vale]

But yeah

My point being

[woven nacelle]

Well yeah but it’s also not the core gameplay of hades I feel

[latent moon]

the fun part of routed runs is really just "what if you get everything the way you wanted it to"

[woven nacelle]

Like it feels like a sort of disconnect

[woven nacelle]

Exactly

[latent moon]

it's not a category anyone really grinds

[rustic vale]

Eris isn’t the only speedrun weapon 💀

[stone rune]

like i said i think this is more what hyper is

routed isn't what you want

[woven nacelle]

Part of the skill of the game comes from manipulating RNG and thinking on your feet

[stone rune]

takes tdash in styx fountain 💀

[rustic vale]

that’s what I wanted to say

and routed is 100% manipulating rng

[stone rune]

hyper is actually feasible in an unmodded run

just extraordinarily unlikely

[latent moon]

the skill of routed is making sure you manipulate the rng correctly lmao

[woven nacelle]

Isn’t it preset though

[rustic vale]

along with actual mechanics

[latent moon]

yes and no

[stone rune]

no

[rustic vale]

No

[stone rune]

your seed changes over time

[latent moon]

you gotta jump through a bunch of hoops to get it the way you wanted it to

[stone rune]

with stuff you do

[woven nacelle]

Like the manipulation comes from clearing shades and skipping text

[rustic vale]

no

[stone rune]

do you clear shades in your runs

[woven nacelle]

I don’t DO runs

[stone rune]

but no it's like

summoning

casting

[latent moon]

breaking pots, voice lines, casting and summoning, etc

[rustic vale]

the manip comes from pots, casts, summons, shades, etc

[stone rune]

voice lines

[woven nacelle]

Gotcha

[latent moon]

it's not a popular category

[stone rune]

watch the vorime 248

[rustic vale]

but yeah

[stone rune]

it's absurd

[latent moon]

it's just interesting and fun to see happen

[woven nacelle]

Link or would it come up on YouTube easily

[rustic vale]

Eris isn’t a weapon I’ve seen contesting anything outside of routed was what I wanted to get across

[stone rune]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmSBaC4-Kds&t=1000s

this is timestamped i guess

so just

go to 0 seconds

[rustic vale]

it’s just hera versus beo in unseeded for the most part

[stone rune]

also lol

i'm not getting muted

not again

god

i'm gonna go set a minute timer

i'll post the link then

[latent moon]

i wouldn't say it "defeats the point of playing hades", it's more like "how fast can a run theoretically be"

i'd also like to point out that vorime didnt do a perfect run, there's still time saves

[stone rune]

yeah

cgull's SOB was like

237

[latent moon]

his what

[stone rune]

on his 258 run

sum of best

[latent moon]

oh

yeah a good chunk of time saves

[rustic vale]

Speedrunning is speedrunning

[stone rune]

ok it's been long enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj8Kehj_4C0

lol

[rustic vale]

Make game go by as fast as possible

That is speedrun

[latent moon]

i had that happen to me a few times lmao

[stone rune]

i've had it happen to me once

[rustic vale]

that overrules whatever you think the core of hades is

[stone rune]

also

[rustic vale]

Because

[stone rune]

why do all the hades runners have no subs

[rustic vale]

it’s a speedrun

[stone rune]

bigp literally out here with 69 subscribers

[rustic vale]

FF speedrunning might as well defeat the point of Hades because you never interact with 99% of the story

by that logic

and etc and etc

[stone rune]

rta speedrunning defeats the point of hades because you cant spend 30 minutes looking at aphrodite character model

[rustic vale]

Also playing game faster allows you to experience more game in the same amount of time so 🧠

[stone rune]

actually you only experience tart for 3 hours

[rustic vale]

That’s my igt speedruns whenever aphrodite shows up in tart

[dire tendon]

that’s just my speedruns in general

[latent moon]

because everyone just goes to haelian's videos for builds and advice lmao

[stone rune]

electric shot poseidon

[latent moon]

sounds about right

[stone rune]

picking the right options is a pretty big thing

[grave chasm]

what attack is good with shield?

[rustic vale]

+% based ones unless you build ME

[gloomy trail]

How do I get maximum number on a hit

[raw herald]

Heroic rush delivery and greater haste, hyper sprint, as many ignited ichors as you can get

With trippy flare on Beowulf with loads of poms and mirage shot

[royal widget]

mirage would make it a combo and not a single hit

[latent moon]

it'll appear as 1 number

and tbh that's what most people care about lol

[royal widget]

pfff

[wintry moat]

oh my god how many times do I have to talk to artemis to get her to unlock, this is obnoxious

I've been wearing her arrowhead for the last dozen and a half runs

[upper thorn]

How to farm darkness?

[wintry moat]

repeat old heats

grab chaos darkness boons

[teal crest]

LETS GOOOO I BEAT THE GAME

[dire elk]

As in escaped or like finished it

[royal widget]

you don't finish this game

you just get a little better each time

[wintry moat]

I just got epilogue

I still have to get a 16 heat clear (haven't even tried yet) and get artemis to unlock

[sour fog]

the game finishes you

[sleek robin]

I’m trying to import codex mod and idk if it works someone knows how to use it

[upper thorn]

Does higher old heat drop higher darkness count?

[latent moon]

No

[upper thorn]

So I can do 0 heat

[latent moon]

All heat levels give the same darkness when repeated

Yeah could

[upper thorn]

Okay gotcha

Thanks

[latent moon]

Could do standard speedrunning heat

[upper thorn]

And what does gemstones do

[latent moon]

Em2 fo2 td1

[upper thorn]

Like does it have any important uses

[latent moon]

House contractor

[upper thorn]

Or just cosmetics

[calm zenith]

Take Chaos and Poseidon

Take their darkness boosting boons

I once got 250->like 850 darkness from dad

Im sure you can break 1000

[gentle flower]

just take darkness chambers whenever possible

[calm zenith]

That's not enough to matter really

The boost boons matter more

And doing heat you've already done

Maybe take Bouldy

[gentle flower]

it’s +5 every chamber so after a few chambers it’s like +30 or so (made up having six chambers)

[calm zenith]

Take infernal troves with darkness

[gentle flower]

darkness in shop??

[calm zenith]

Yeah

Take the darkness = healing tbh

[gentle flower]

it costs 50 obols tho

[calm zenith]

I use that one lots

I also buy darkness from wells as healing

But bouldy is probably a good choice

[gentle flower]

wait they give u more max hp?

[calm zenith]

Yes

[gentle flower]

when u buy it?

[calm zenith]

No

Heals you though

[gentle flower]

ok that’s what i thought

[calm zenith]

With a mirror option

[gentle flower]

ohh

dark regeneration right

[calm zenith]

The darkness = healing option yeah

That's a good option when darkness farming

[gentle flower]

it doesnt affect ur darkness gain tho

only ur health

[calm zenith]

Bouldy will help you buy stuff and will give you like 100 total darkness

You can take Chaos rooms easier with the extra healing

And regardless it's the best boss healing

[gentle flower]

doesnt bouldy also give u darkness as an option

[calm zenith]

Yeah

I'd still probably take obols

For Poseidon boons

[gentle flower]

fair

[calm zenith]

You can on a good run make like 2500 darkness probbaly

With the right boons

Choosing the darker thirst weapon barely matters. Only 20%

[gentle flower]

how much darkness do u need for the chaos theme?

[calm zenith]

A lot lol

[gentle flower]

[calm zenith]

Currently I'm farming ranks

I'm at the 9k per rank area

[gentle flower]

oh nice

9k darkness?

[calm zenith]

I forget how much I have left

Yes

Takes a while

[gentle flower]

i have 4k per rank

[calm zenith]

Like you really need Chaos for darkness farming

You can get a like 110% darkness gained epic boon

[gentle flower]

epic poseidon is like 60%

iirc

[calm zenith]

Yeah

Both is ideal but chaos is way more major

[gentle flower]

combine that with chaos and it’s 170%

[calm zenith]

And you can get multiple from Chaos

[gentle flower]

i can do math 😎

[calm zenith]

Just do dumb ez builds

Like tdash or something

[gentle flower]

gilga tdash be like

[calm zenith]

Or flood flare beo

Whatever has Poseidon

Not many but still

[gentle flower]

or just ez build

with poseidon

[latent moon]

25k

[upper thorn]

I love dionysus

And aphro

And artemis

With demeter aspect

Amazing god

[gentle flower]

bruh that’s so much 💀

[upper thorn]

Nah 2 women 1 man

=))))

No 2 goddess's 1 god

With low tolerance, heart rend, and splitting headacje

This is awesome

[latent moon]

tbh it's not that bad, once you max out one side of the mirror there's no use for darkness

and you just accumulate a lot

[gentle flower]

fair

[latent moon]

assuming you repeat bounites

if you keep climbing bounties then it'll be a bit more rough

but tbh you're still stacking up, you're not using the darkness for anything at that point

[gentle flower]

speedrunners have massive amounts of darkness prolly

[latent moon]

the max save file has like 100k darkness or something lmao

[gentle flower]

bruhhhhhhhhh

who is it?

[latent moon]

idk

the resources are probably like modded in tbh

[gentle flower]

oh makes sense

[latent moon]

because the idea of the max save file is to have as little clears/runs as possible but have a maxed file

[gentle flower]

so like get to the credits and everything?

[latent moon]

yeah

epilogue too

[gentle flower]

damn

[latent moon]

all fated prophecies as well

[gentle flower]

is that a speedrunning category?

[latent moon]

no lmao

[gentle flower]

oh

[latent moon]

0-100% isn't a thing

there's fresh file to credits

[gentle flower]

too much?

[latent moon]

yeah 0-100% is too much lmao

[stone rune]

72 hour long speedrun hype

[gentle flower]

all advancements but in hades be like

[stone rune]

make sleep do it

[latent moon]

because at some point it's just gonna be "get max eris as fast as possible"

and then "get beo"

or max hera or something

[gentle flower]

and then rinse and repeat

[latent moon]

also learning the harp

getting chaos defiance

[gentle flower]

210 times

[gentle flower]

is chaos defiance rarer than the other god’s legendaries?

[latent moon]

fresh file to credits is already hard enough, no need for more lmao

[latent moon]

yes

[stone rune]

harp doesn't have achievement right

[latent moon]

fated list

[royal widget]

it does

[gentle flower]

bruh what

[stone rune]

what

i have 100% and i never learned harp

[latent moon]

did you buy it

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

well it's def a thing

[gentle flower]

it’s something orpheus wants u to do

[latent moon]

play the harp

[upper thorn]

Hello, does dashing then attacking (for faster charged shot) count as dash strike?

[latent moon]

is this for bow

[stone rune]

that's what a dash strike is yes

[upper thorn]

Yes

[latent moon]

yeah that's a dash strike

[upper thorn]

Okay thanks

[latent moon]

that's how you're supposed to dash strike anyways

dash then hit the atk button immediately

[upper thorn]

Im thinking dash strike is like dash and attack instant no charge

[gentle flower]

how would u dash strike other than that

[latent moon]

oh lmao

[upper thorn]

But if it can be hold then its much better

[stone rune]

nope

[latent moon]

you're supposed to charge it

[stone rune]

you'll be able to tell because there's something different about it

i think every wep has diff dstrikes right

sword spear shield bow fists rail

so yeah

you'll be able to tell

[upper thorn]

Okay thank you

Playing zag bow

[latent moon]

zag holds the bow differently on dash strikes

[upper thorn]

First boon is rare artemis attack or epic hunter dash

What should I pick

[latent moon]

atk

[upper thorn]

Okay

[latent moon]

higher crit chance is neat

[upper thorn]

Lol i got epic chaos attack up

[latent moon]

based

you're set lmao

for funsies you should try to get passion dash to open heart rend

[upper thorn]

And twin shot right after

???

Wtf

[stone rune]

he holds it correctly on dash strikes

[latent moon]

blessed run

[stone rune]

LMFAO BEST BUILD LAWL

[latent moon]

i mean it's still different lmao

[upper thorn]

My shot now deals 600

4 chambers

Lmao im addicted to bows

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/e2narzdNwgB

Nemesis 28.06% (55 votes)
Nyx 71.94% (141 votes)

[upper thorn]

Wtf and demeter and ares showed up

What should I pick

I want heart rend

🤠

[latent moon]

prob demeter

i think

both suck lol

maybe ares for battle rage

[upper thorn]

Demeter aid, dash, and nourished sohl

Any heart effect are plus

More potent

Which one 😓

[latent moon]

do you have underworld customs on

[upper thorn]

Prob nourished

Whats that

[latent moon]

heat pact

sell a boon before you enter a new biome

[upper thorn]

No

[latent moon]

guessing not yeah

take nourished

it's unpommable

[upper thorn]

Okay

[latent moon]

well you dont have anything worth pomming anyways

but the other 2 options suck

taking call means worse hermes odds, taking dash means no passion dash

[upper thorn]

Lmao the last artemis boon in the last shop

I bought it and it appeared to contain a djo

Duo

Then it shows mirage shot

[sleek robin]

Someone here has the codex menu mod ?

[stone rune]

it's on nexus

[sleek robin]

Ik

But nothing is there for switch

And idk how to open it

Maybe i just can’t

[latent moon]

you have to do funky stuff to mod the switch iirc

[sleek robin]

But someone has shown he has some mods

[sleek robin]

I have

A modded switch

I even put the mod and mod importer thing

But i still dunno how to open the modded menu

[latent moon]

uh

[sleek robin]

In codex i try to press everything but nothing happens

Even tho the mod importer said it was good

[latent moon]

no clue lmao

try asking the modding server

[sleek robin]

Oof

No one is there

It’s a ghost server

[latent moon]

well like

no one here can help lmao

that's the best place for it

[sleek robin]

That’s why i just asked if someone knows how to open it

[latent moon]

not many people here use mods in the first place, and the ones that do don't use a switch

ik @mint coral has a modded switch and got the speedrunning modpack to work, maybe they can help

[sleek robin]

Yea switch is kinda hard to mod due to mods being for other platforms

[latent moon]

but i dont think they used the codex mod

[sleek robin]

Ty for the help

[mint coral]

yeah i dont think i've got the codex mod to work

i only used speedrun modpack (and couldnt even change its settings as controller cant click on the mod settings button) and the ultimate aspects mod

which also needed an update for controller support

[stone rune]

gamepad can cant it

that's why it's a selecty button

they even open a keyboard kbm users need to click instead of just letting you type

[mint coral]

i cant hover over the button with controller

[sleek robin]

Oof i see

[stone rune]

it should be like a menu button

[mint coral]

it hovers over companion and if i go up it just goes to my mirror perks

[sleek robin]

What does the speedrun modpack does ?

[stone rune]

weird

[mint coral]

but also idk if it has changed in regards to that tbf

i havent played in a while and my switch sd connector is busted

so

[sleek robin]

The mods u put them in atmosphere/contents/title id of the game/romfs/content/mods right ?

[mint coral]

is set to basically delete unnecesary stuff that could cause you to reset (see styx sack being rng, modpack sets it to always 2)

or things like all 4 core boons showing up in first boon, first guaranteed hammer, etc

[sleek robin]

I see

[mint coral]

there is also some heat related things (swap to hell mode/ap doesnt affect first boon)

basically you get more consistent runs

[sleek robin]

Ill check for it

[sleek robin]

About that is it right ?

[stone rune]

uh

this is mine

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hades\Content\Mods

[mint coral]

switch path is different

[stone rune]

weird

[mint coral]

but let me grab the link @sleek robin cuz yeah mods go there but you need to patch it before hand

[sleek robin]

I see

I can’t find the mod on google only in github but don’t explain it

[mint coral]

idk whats the current version of the speedrun modpack, @stone rune github is fine? or from speedrun.com

[stone rune]

let me get it

https://github.com/Hades-Speedrunning/HadesSpeedrunningModPack/releases/download/v1.3.0/HadesSpeedrunningModpack_v1.3.0.zip

[sleek robin]

Thanks

[stone rune]

this github works

i'll get hyper too for the memes

OH MY GOD

DYNO

[mint coral]

what's hypermodded actually

[sleek robin]

Is there smth to know what exactly is in it

?

[mint coral]

i keep hearing of it but i still dont know lol

[stone rune]

it is modded but more

so like

free rooms cant ocnflict

you can't be forced to choose between say

fountain and story

you can force 2nd hammer

force 2nd god

[latent moon]

force hermes

[stone rune]

theres an option for jacked wells

there's a lot

[latent moon]

certain enemies removed

2 waves only iirc

[stone rune]

NO MORE RATZ

[sleek robin]

Iirc?

[latent moon]

no more blue men

[stone rune]

wavecontrol is option

[latent moon]

if i remember correctly

[stone rune]

this is only for like

the higher settings

lowest only removes ratz and numbskulls i think

[sleek robin]

Can i change them myself ?

[latent moon]

i mean it can still remove them

[stone rune]

but yeah it can

there's a lot of config

[latent moon]

any version of hypermodded wont be legal tho i think

[mint coral]

you can change them but like i said i dont know if you can use the menu on switch

[stone rune]

they're talking about a leaderboard for it

[latent moon]

oh really lmao

[stone rune]

or at least

[latent moon]

whoops all sub5

[sleek robin]

I guess not

[stone rune]

they're talking about jacked wells not being on the leaderboard

so i think that means leaderboard

[mint coral]

I think someone told me in theory if anyone sents you the mod with their saved settings when you install it on switch it should have those settings too

[sleek robin]

Ill install it and try to modify the setty

[mint coral]

but i've never got to test that

and is sad cuz when I played rama still had triple shot as default

[sleek robin]

No i don’t think

Or maybe depends on how you change them

Like if u have edizon u changed the settings in a txt file to not get stuck with active cheats

Well in that case u would get their settings

[stone rune]

lmfao rip

[mint coral]

oh there is a worse thing btw

if you cant change the settings you are stuck in rta settings

so that means you wont see Than

[stone rune]

ask in #modification-station

[mint coral]

unless igt is default now

[sleek robin]

How do i modify the settings ?

[mint coral]

When you install it, open the boon menu with - while in the courtyard, and above your companion equipped (or above the attack boon if you dont have a companion yet) there should be a new button that says mod settings or smth like that

If you can select it should bring up the menu

[sleek robin]

Ill try to launch the game and tell you thanks

[sleek robin]

It says corrupted data

And when i launched enabled to read data

I did a save with jksv but idk what to do rn

[mint coral]

Were you in the middle of a run?

[sleek robin]

No

[mint coral]

Hmmm
Dm me how you files look in yhe sd card?

[sleek robin]

I can’t here

I cannot send pics

Can i dm ?

[mint coral]

I said to dm me lol

[sleek robin]

Oh

[sleek robin]

For achilles build is it better artemis or zeus

[latent moon]

do you wanna go for speed or like, strong build

[sleek robin]

Strong

[latent moon]

i'd start slicing shot from ares

[sleek robin]

Wit

U*

[latent moon]

i guess artemis atk can work since it's still 1/2 of the prereqs for hunting blades

[sleek robin]

Not tdash?

[latent moon]

well

that's for speed mainly

granted it is also strong

but if you dont get a good cast/atk then it's kinda not great for later biomes

[sleek robin]

I don’t use cast

[latent moon]

well

achilles has a 150% cast boost

[mint coral]

150% cast dmg boost moment

[latent moon]

and casts have strong pom scaling

and like general damage

castpects are some of the strongest aspects in the game

beowulf is an obvious example, mainly because of the mirage bug lmao

but snow burst passion flare is really strong regardless

[sleek robin]

Achilles isn’t one

[latent moon]

yes it is

150% bonus cast damage

[sleek robin]

A cast build ?

[latent moon]

i mean it can be

it's stronger to use it as a castpect

hunting blades or lightning phalanx can clear waves for you

[raw herald]

Achilles gives the biggest % buff to casts out of all the aspects

[latent moon]

and can instaphase bosses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQpCPoHDtQ0

[sleek robin]

Well i will try it’s cast build after

But idk how it plays ciz it will be diffrent

[latent moon]

once you get the cast build part of it done, you just spam it

throw the cast, reapply buff, and do your thing while the cast does it's thing

[sleek robin]

So ares’ cast

[latent moon]

yeah that works

[sleek robin]

The best is who?

[latent moon]

ares cast -> artemis core (ideally atk) -> hunting blades

[latent moon]

generally ares

mainly because it can lead up to hunting blades really easily

[sleek robin]

Hunting blades is a duo ?

[royal widget]

vicious cycle is the legendary

[latent moon]

yes

slicing shot will track enemies

the ideal build would be like
start tidal dash, get artemis attack, zeus special, and ares cast

mirage shot and hunting blades are good

get jolted

and marked

and flurry jab

just get the boons lol

[royal widget]

tdash doesn't open mirage

[latent moon]

huh

yes it does lmao

[sleek robin]

Why is there a blue thing on my door with a boon ?

[latent moon]

speedrunning modpack?

that's a fountain indicator

[sleek robin]

Ooooh

[latent moon]

it's like the arthur aura right

[sleek robin]

Idk i never play arthur

[latent moon]

oh lmao

but yeah it's a spiraling glowy blue thing

fountain indicator

[sleek robin]

I see ty

[static wraith]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Hades is in the did you know section of Wikipedia today

[sleek robin]

Why can’t i open the codex in games

E*

[mint coral]

Check to what button is mapped to? Oh wait you have the speedrun modpack right

[sleek robin]

Yes

And i’m on switch

[mint coral]

Pretty sure there is a mod about preventing codex tech

[sleek robin]

About that i have the codex mod

It worked

[mint coral]

Idk how it works but it probably will stop you from opening it when the in game timer is running

[sleek robin]

Yea idk because sometimes i can

You know if i delete some mods of the modpack i will encounter some problems ?

[mint coral]

Shouldnt happen

Just delete thosemods then run mod importer again

(remember to rename the romfs folder to Hades)

[sleek robin]

Yea

[mint coral]

https://youtu.be/9dRXyeNKOgE

[sleek robin]

Should i bring back an old save ?

[mint coral]

This is codex tech btw

Just dont change mods mid run is my guess

[sleek robin]

I see

Ill try because i think there is a mod that skip story

And also outro and intro

There are mods that i don’t rly like

Like changing the foes or deleting them

[sleek robin]

In the modpack there is codex tech prevention

[mint coral]

Yeah i noticed the other day

Did you get an answer about changing the settings from the files btw?

[sleek robin]

No

One said pay the game on steam sync the save and change from the button on pc

[sleek robin]

I will delete the one i don’t want , dump the game and apply the mods then bring them back to the game because once you apply a mod it will change the files in content so i need to do it from the start ig

[sleek robin]

What are barge ?

[raw herald]

Barge of death, the asphodel miniboss where u go on a boat

[sleek robin]

I see

[gentle flower]

is it really a miniboss?
the only “miniboss” in bod is the big blue stone
other than that it’s just waves of undead whatever

[raw herald]

It gives increased rarity boons as rewards, and middle management affects it

Id say so

[gentle flower]

wait it does?

for mm?

[raw herald]

Yes

[gentle flower]

does it teleport for the blue stone

[raw herald]

Wdym

[gentle flower]

like in ely the butterfly ball miniboss teleports when mm is on
is that the same for the big blue stone

[raw herald]

Middle management is the big blue stone, without MM its 3 waves of enemies + stones

[gentle flower]

oh

i thought it was it was three waves + stones or big blue stone even if u didnt have mm

is it guaranteed the big blue stone for mm?

[rustic vale]

always big blue stone

Very chunky big blue stone

[mint coral]

Barge is so much fun compared to non mm

[gentle flower]

huh

[dire elk]

When does Thanatos appear after the first time?

He seemed pretty pissed at me but I want to get the companion from him

[cobalt ibex]

My hands are still shaking but I did it! I beat the game at heat 32 ☠️