h1-discussion

[stone rune]

and like

some of the same things that modded remove can give casual gameplay more interesting variations

it’s just that when you’re competing for the top time and killing yourself at minor inconveniences the removal of stuff like 48% chance of immediate pace death really far in is kinda nice

[brisk trail]

Sounds advanced I’m a beginner

[stone rune]

yeah you shouldn't play with mods when you're just playing the game

if you ever get into speedrunning or a thing in the game though they are immense

[latent moon]

Tldr, imagine getting near the end and you have a good pace, maybe even wr time, and your run gets killed because you lost a coin flip

[brisk trail]

Alright thanks guys

[pastel monolith]

i just want mods that let me practice the boss fights

[latent moon]

you dont need mods for that

[pastel monolith]

the acorn works

just quit before the 5th damage

[latent moon]

you can make save states

[pastel monolith]

idk how to do all that on xbox

seems like more trouble than its worth

[latent moon]

idk if you can on that

because you have to go through game files

it's really easy to do tho

[stone rune]

probably cant on xbox

[pastel monolith]

but the acorn is definitely helpful u can quit and restart as long as u havent taken damage yet.. so i just do that before my 5th hit with acorn

also watching other ppl helps.. like watching guys like vorime do fresh file runs.. or hades chamber 2.. i can understand the patterns and the technique without worrying about actually playing

[stone rune]

vods are huge

nnevic and engrish got me on the vod hype train

[pastel monolith]

also watching beginners play on twitch

and seeing them struggle

somehow that helps too

i just wanna grab their controller from them

lol

UR DOING IT WRONG!!!

but thats the fun part.. slowly learning as u try again and again

[latent moon]

i haven't really watched beginners play lmao

[sleek robin]

In chiron build i only need one boon from dionysus right ?

If we don’y count the duo

[crude oxide]

For spec i think

[sleek robin]

Yea so one boon

[royal widget]

dio special + aphro/dio + ares/dio
take aphro attack and ares revenge

[stone rune]

dio just needs poms

pom hangover a lot

a lot a lot

[latent moon]

tidal dash + breaking wave for styx would be handy but technically not needed

[high island]

You don't watch the screen when you play?

[latent moon]

no i turn it off when i play

saves energy

[high island]

Interesting.

That explains a lot.

Thank you.

[gray apex]

np

[sleek robin]

Is it true that during god trials we cannot get duo boons ?

[royal widget]

yep

you can get legendary though

[sleek robin]

That sucks

[pastel monolith]

it might be worth taking the trials anyway.. eliminate some boon options from next time u see the god in theory makes it more likely u get the duo u want..

but also duo /legendary are a whole separate RNG maybe it doesnt make a difference at all

[stone rune]

yeah

duos roll only after status curse

[pastel monolith]

i always think of this one time when haelian had every zeus boon available except the legendary.. and he bought zeus in styx.. and it offered him THREE SWAPS

[stone rune]

(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.

[pastel monolith]

how do ppl find this out lol

super helpful to know tho

[stone rune]

source code dives

probably

[pastel monolith]

ur awesome jazz♡ always helpin me out here

im grateful for ur efforts

[stone rune]

im just regurgitating everything i hear from all the better players lol

[pastel monolith]

still, ur quick with it and always correct from what ive seen

not like me.. i know a decent amount but I forget stuff and misunderstand stuff a lot

[sleek robin]

Except the sturdy boon from hermes 👀

(Jk)

[pastel monolith]

i want to get 40 heat with each weapon.. so far only one ive got that high is gun with hestia.. the rest are all at 34 or somewhere in between

each new heat feels extra hot at this level

i got my fists up to 34 this morning

[stone rune]

fists are hard

[pastel monolith]

a botched ME build but I still made it work

I think i can do 40 heat with the bow.. probably chiron

or shield maybe either beo or zeus

im just takin it slow.. 1 new heat at a time

[stone rune]

chiron def harder than zagbow or rama at heat

[pastel monolith]

really

oh yeah rama

rama probably the way to go

[royal widget]

i do this constantly

[pastel monolith]

me too but sometimes im wrong and i feel like a dummy when someone points it out haha

[stone rune]

the best way to get the right answer on the internet is to confidently state the wrong one

[mint coral]

I just discord search Nyaanyaa messages

[stone rune]

read: never take poseidon

[bright warren]

Just beat my first 8 heat run finally get to see the first of skelly a prizes

[stone rune]

nice

[mint coral]

Enjoy your amazing prize

[stone rune]

you'll love it

[bright warren]

Waiting to “magically” reappear in the house

It’s beautiful

[latent moon]

Rama can be difficult if you're not already decent at it imo

Any of the other bows would probably be easier if you're not comfortable with rama already

Also depends on your pact, fo2 rama can be rough

[bright warren]

All the bows can get you to the end as long as you can hit power shots

[latent moon]

Chiron power shot doesn't matter much lol

Unless it's bad zag bow

[bright warren]

Power shot for bonus damage to get the lock-on

[latent moon]

It's not really important to power shot on Chiron or hera

Bonus damage is nice ofc but neither of those two aspects need those as much

[bright warren]

I like the power shot on Hera since it’s good damage until you can get a build moving

[latent moon]

Your build is just crush shot tho

Start with it too lmao

[bright warren]

Even once I do have crush shot and other stuff I still power shot goodness

[stone rune]

power shotting with blown kiss

[latent moon]

I mean that's fine but it's not important

Best hammer for Hera is flurry shot lmao

and the best atk hammer for chiron is probably flurry shot as well, if not triple

[pastel monolith]

im gettin okay with rama.. when i was new, rama was my favorite bc i liked how u can jjst spam the special.. but nowadays i think i can make proper use of rama

[stone rune]

dont get twin on special high heat builds it is not fun

[bright warren]

Dusa still doesn’t love me how many more rugs do I have to buy

[latent moon]

all of them

it's only lounge stuff isnt it

[pastel monolith]

aww stop it, dusa loves you and you know it ♡♡

[latent moon]

or is it all the wings and whatnot

[bright warren]

Yeah I have a total of 14 upgrades for the lounge 2 of which of cleaning up Cerberus and the scratches

I still can’t give her ambrosia though

[stone rune]

check wiki

Dusa's favor involves the lounge renovations, which she has fallen behind on doing. Zagreus must help her bring the lounge up to Nyx's standards by using the House Contractor to complete a minimum of 12 Lounge-focused renovations, which must include at least one rug for the area as well as cleaning up Cerberus's fur and the scratches he left in the floor. After doing this, talking to Dusa will complete the A Place of Revelry prophecy and unlock the ability to give Ambrosia to her.

looks like you're on rng time now

[bright warren]

While waiting for rng I’ll just buy more rugs

[high island]

Same.

[high island]

Credit people when you quote their whole message.

[stone rune]

Fun Fact: This Message Comes From @high island

[high island]

Documenting boon offers over several runs and later double-checking some numbers in the scripts.

[sleek robin]

When hearts with npcs are locked what should i do

[grave chasm]

do their favor

and then every time after that until they are maxed out you have to give them ambrosia

[sleek robin]

How to do favor ?

[stone rune]

it depends

check the wiki page for that character

[sleek robin]

What is the best stash and can we take a keepsake with it ?

[stone rune]

stash?

[mint coral]

Companions ig?

[stone rune]

if you mean companion then meg's and you can

[sleek robin]

Well that’s what is written

[sleek robin]

K thanks

I did some searches and in the greek mythology zagreus is the son of zeus and persephone, who is the daughter of zeus

[stone rune]

there is no consistent greek mythology

[sleek robin]

Indeed

[empty swallow]

https://strawpoll.com/polls/XOgONeNjbn3

Sisyphus 25.84% (115 votes)
Patroclus 74.16% (330 votes)

[sleek robin]

For zeus shield it’s better to get call in epic or double strike in common ? Idk which to get

[stone rune]

double strike

dboule strike is bugged ot have a much higheer chance than it says

on some lightning boons

[sleek robin]

Ty

[grave chasm]

Anybody know what god's attack I should get with Arthur aspect sword?

[latent moon]

aprhodite

big % good

[grave chasm]

What about artemis?

[latent moon]

not very consistent

[stone rune]

less consistent

[grave chasm]

hmmmmm

[latent moon]

15% of the time you'll overkill, 85% of the time you'll have to swing like an extra 2 times or so

artemis is good if you happen to get like a ton of additive from chaos

like 100+% from chaos on attack

at least lmao

[raw herald]

It’s better with double edge

[grave chasm]

https://prnt.sc/aEhbc359VGqS this is all i managed to get so far

sadly got offered aphrodite flourish instead of attack

[latent moon]

well it'll work lol

pray for some chaos strikes but if you dont get it it's fine

arty atk can be funny

[grave chasm]

got chaos but it only gave me favor, flourish and grasp

😦

[high island]

You can't reroll?

[grave chasm]

nah only like 20th run on this save

have not gotten enough keys yet

[high island]

Favor is fine.

Tbh you just need to double down on Centaur Hearts and damage reduction at this point.

[grave chasm]

got an epic herms attack speed boon...

this is gonna be fun

[high island]

Nice.

I was just typing "And hope for good boons from Lord Hermes" lol.

[grave chasm]

lol

[grave chasm]

https://prnt.sc/XKNHhJDOAEZp

do I take it?

[stone rune]

hell yes

it's literally a red boon from Aphrodite herself

[grave chasm]

this is what the build is currently https://prnt.sc/kaJSjbyiaNON

[stone rune]

who needs heart rend

other than for sell well 💪

[grave chasm]

no one, had no better options

[stone rune]

heart rend is actually good lol

[grave chasm]

been trying to sell it lol

oh...

[stone rune]

well

maybe on arthur it'd be better with passion dash

because you aren't always specialing enemies

[grave chasm]

EPIC SWEET SURRENDER

[stone rune]

lol

nice

[royal widget]

does rama shared suffering get buffed by boiling blood?

[stone rune]

shared suffering is just

60% of whatever number your attack does

so yes

[royal widget]

god rama just hits like a truck

[grave chasm]

this build killed theseus with cast only... https://prnt.sc/Ay1J_GDD4E5q

[latent moon]

Hunting blades moment

[stone rune]

well yeah

[grave chasm]

imagine I get fully loaded lol

[royal widget]

pre-meg ME let's go

OH MY GOD

less than 30s

what keepsake for aspho?

[stone rune]

do you have ddash

[grave chasm]

just did a cast only hades

lets go

[royal widget]

yea

[latent moon]

Assuming you have ddash along with ME, either flood shot for funny cod or Artemis for true shot into deadly reversal

[royal widget]

hmm

cant decide

is cod good

[raw herald]

not reeally

[royal widget]

lol

ill do an achilles run after this

to test

[latent moon]

CoD funny

Really only "shines" on ME if you get RD

But otherwise true shot for deadly reversal is better

Also considering that +dashes can be better than rd

[royal widget]

ok thanks i just got deadly reversal

legacy is finally working

is this phoenix symbol above me a nemesis-unique effect?

[raw herald]

hermes

[rustic vale]

Do you mean like

The nemesis active buff visuals

[royal widget]

oh yeah hermes makes sense

i have swift flurish

[latent moon]

Def Hermes

[grave chasm]

can you have more than 1 legendary at a time?

[rustic vale]

Yes

I definitely have a bunch of victory screens with multiple

[grave chasm]

great, just wondering if i had to sell the hermes legendary so I could get black out

[rustic vale]

Actually

I probably don’t have that many victory screens

There are a few legendaries where

I would just take other boons

It’s really situational tbh

Also digging through my sent photos there are so many repeats

[royal widget]

actually does anyone have a good curse of drowning video?

[rustic vale]

If anyones does Haelian

But otherwise people just don’t build it

[latent moon]

no one builds for it because there's better duos to build for lmao

if you had to pick a duo to get, i think everyone would much rather have ME instead of CoD

or hunting blades instead of CoD

mirage shot

etc

[dire tendon]

imagine if on beo CoD was replaced with making your flare into a shot

reverse CoD

[calm zenith]

I like CoD. There are plenty of builds. Just get it and cast stones and cast boosts lol.

I could do a CoD build guide tbh

A basic one at least. Really isnt hard.

[latent moon]

it's pretty mediocre lmao

it's just "get close and press the cast button" pretty much for a guide

[dire tendon]

you see i have a very good CoD strategy too, it almost guarantees you get it within tart

step 1: pick beowulf
step 2: use conch shell
step 3: get flood flare
step 4: profit

[latent moon]

imagine picking CoD over mirage

[rustic vale]

This next part is actually quite crucial to getting CoD
Pick up artemis (preferably deadly strike) then mirage shot

[dire tendon]

nah you just cast 3 times

ez

[rustic vale]

cast it 1.5 times

Ez

[dire tendon]

me and the boys casting half a stone

[rustic vale]

also

CoD cuts back on your aoe

[dire tendon]

does CoD apply as a flare or as CoD

on beo

e.g. for cshot

[rustic vale]

idk

[stone rune]

cod

[rustic vale]

I don’t use CoD flat out

[stone rune]

you have to hug

doesn't come out at the end of the shot

[rustic vale]

What is with people talking about using CoD now anyways

I swear I see it come up way too often now

[dire tendon]

bruh

[stone rune]

it is use less

[rustic vale]

it is useless and yet I

[stone rune]

i wonder if it would be used if it wasn't exclusive with mirage

because even though it sucks a 6x mult cant be bad right

[rustic vale]

Wouldn’t be a 6x multi outside of beo

[dire tendon]

10 bucks it would cancel out mirage bug

[stone rune]

well yeah outside of beo cod is a very different kind of thing

because it exists in:

1. fists ME

[rustic vale]

outside of beo, CoD isn’t a thing
Inside of beo, CoD isn’t a thing

[stone rune]

real

but it's a not a thing in a different kind of way

[rustic vale]

CoD isn’t real

[calm zenith]

Yet I still use it. Stay mad.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18TVdj9W7u1AW_7LF3GjFgTWNzdJqcoqV2wQL2Q5QCLE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[rustic vale]

You aren’t real

[calm zenith]

I'm not saying you dont get blinded

It's just fun

Best on Achilles

[stone rune]

why would u keep the vial on into ely

it's a cast build

[calm zenith]

Like half of it is a flood shot run anyway

[stone rune]

take hourglass

[calm zenith]

Take hourglass into ely if you have the stuff sure

Take it into styx for sure

[stone rune]

the +10% isn't that major to be worth kepeing over hourglass and also rarity is mostly not huge so you can just run legacy

why would you take hourglass into styx

you switch it off in styx

would be dad call

[calm zenith]

I just put this together before I had to do some stuff. I was just covering priorities.

Its 20%

[stone rune]

breaching skewer would not be ideal because achilles uses special for utility and mobility

[stone rune]

20% for normal rarity

10% for duo/lego

[calm zenith]

Fair points. I'm just talking about what I've had success with.

I'm the one running it lol

[stone rune]

you would do the same exact thing as every other achilles build ever and take flurry jab

[calm zenith]

I've done like 30 cod runs

Probably yeah

Why are you giving time saving advice on a basic guide

People can go elsewhere for that.

[stone rune]

idk if you're writing a guide it should be a good guide

if you're just giving casual build advice then sure

[calm zenith]

Breaching Skewer is ideal because it's just there and you dont focus hammers on an Achilles cast build besides yeah maybe Flurry for tart

[stone rune]

but a guide is supposed to be a guide

also why would you take stygian

bad before and after the duo

you just like

[calm zenith]

It's not really

[stone rune]

get the stones

[latent moon]

how much damage does the special even do

[stone rune]

like 30?

[latent moon]

yeah breaching isn't worth it at that point

[stone rune]

25

like

[rustic vale]

Ah yes 125 dmg special against shielded

worth

[stone rune]

cod is kinda worse mirage flood flare right you just get the stones back once it's done

so there would be like

[latent moon]

achilles hammers are kinda bad unless it's flurry

[stone rune]

no reason to take stygian

[latent moon]

2nd hammer doesn't even matter on achilles lol

[calm zenith]

Missing the point entirely

[stone rune]

extending is nice

[calm zenith]

That's what I was saying

[latent moon]

well it's not really necessary

[stone rune]

huh

[calm zenith]

This isnt an Achilles guide it's a CoD guide

[stone rune]

yeah

[latent moon]

isn't it specifically CoD achilles

[stone rune]

and cod would want infernal

[calm zenith]

Yes. But I'm not teaching someone to use Achilles

[rustic vale]

I haven’t seen a word about Call of Duty in the entire document

[stone rune]

stygian is just making life harder through the entire run

[latent moon]

is this in reference to the flurry jab thing or the stygian vs infernal

[calm zenith]

Flurry jab

[latent moon]

ah

[calm zenith]

You obviously take that

[stone rune]

serrated point detrimental real

the dash strikes are worth the dash penalty if no flurry

[latent moon]

then mention it

[calm zenith]

But hammers dont matter

[stone rune]

you're not always going to have your casts up

and achilles dash strike damage is big

[calm zenith]

I just wanted to make a briefing on how I've gotten it to work out.

[stone rune]

Mirror specifics besides taking Stygian Soul don't matter much.

i still don't see why you'd take stygian

[latent moon]

if you're gonna mention hammers, leaving out the best hammer for achilles seems backwards

[calm zenith]

I prefer Stygian

[stone rune]

you prefer losing dps for no real benefit?

[calm zenith]

I can put that in but I just wanted to put together a rundown of the usual run.

Longterm benefit to the build by not focusing on attack, sure.

Once you have more than 1 cast you can always have it active

[stone rune]

if you just like

[calm zenith]

CoD's duration is longer than the SS refresh rate.

[stone rune]

pick the stone up? you can have it active and have more out at once

[calm zenith]

The stone can go in awful places

[stone rune]

where are you making it go

just manip

[latent moon]

stygian with CoD probably isn't great for boss fights because it doesnt have that much burst

compared to infernal

[calm zenith]

That's why you focus Chaos

[latent moon]

if only it was that easy

[stone rune]

if you get a stone from chaos

[calm zenith]

And I should have included a Well section

[stone rune]

you have double the stones with infernal

[calm zenith]

The rng works out for me like 2/3 times

[latent moon]

see if it was that easy then trippy beo would be a lot more popular lol

[stone rune]

2 stone end screen

[calm zenith]

2 stones isnt the end of the world

[latent moon]

stygian is unreliable because it relies on getting more casts from chaos and wells, and it's hard to guarantee that

[stone rune]

which is why you would just like run legacy and save your rolls for wells

[calm zenith]

Fair

[latent moon]

could end up with only 1 lol

[calm zenith]

Plan and build better idk

Do some minor routing if you have to

[latent moon]

in the guide you should mention pros and cons of stygian vs infernal

[stone rune]

what

it's literally rng

[calm zenith]

Sure

[stone rune]

you can get nothing from chaos

[calm zenith]

I like that

[stone rune]

you can get bad wells

[calm zenith]

I just like Stygian on CoD

For a Crush Shot build I'm suggesting Infernal absolutely.

[latent moon]

hard to plan for bad chaos and wells lol

[calm zenith]

But since it is kinda a Flood Shot build anyway you have a point.

[latent moon]

at that point it's good to have flurry jab for backup dps if CoD fails lmao

[calm zenith]

I just go for the extra casts over most other things unless it's like, a boosted rarity boon that I am unlikely to get again, that might be the duo

CoD doesnt need many boons

Might get a Call too. Should add that.

Usually just Poseidon's

[latent moon]

eh

[stone rune]

dad call

[latent moon]

yeah dad call would be best tbh

[calm zenith]

Dad call sure

[latent moon]

if not then zeus/dio, classic stuff

[calm zenith]

Poseidon's just covers movement which is kinda important

[latent moon]

achilles has enough movement

[calm zenith]

Fair

CoD just really likes movement

[stone rune]

q -> q

boom

movement

[latent moon]

achilles has plenty movement lol

[calm zenith]

Otherwise it's a lot worse to handle than just Flood Shot

You lose range

[stone rune]

you can literally teleport across the room

[latent moon]

kinda why CoD isn't used lol

[calm zenith]

People still want to try it.

[latent moon]

but yeah you shouldnt have an issue with movement with achilles

[calm zenith]

It's more the invuln

Dad call has that too though doesnt it?

[stone rune]

-just covers movement
-more the invuln

dad call doesn't have invuln

it's weird

[calm zenith]

Its invuln + movement is my point

Both calls from the gods you are focusing can cover that but yeah dad call in styx is probably best

Still I would argue filling your call early is beneficial since it doesnt get replaced

[stone rune]

ares call is garbage

[calm zenith]

It is

[latent moon]

call isn't a priority slot so it's fine

[calm zenith]

It's still invuln

[stone rune]

there are 0 situations to use ares call

[stone rune]

it's the worst invuln ever invented

[calm zenith]

This is the 1 exception

[stone rune]

it just stops the fight for a bit

[latent moon]

you can leave call empty and just save for dad call

[calm zenith]

Just to use the invuln

[stone rune]

because you don't even deal damage

[calm zenith]

You can sure. You can also sell boons.

[stone rune]

just use athena call then

[calm zenith]

If she shows up sure

[stone rune]

filling call makes your hermes worse

[latent moon]

the only time you'd take call is if a god scams you from duo prereqs and you have to take call

[rustic vale]

it’s worse then artemis call because at least arte call is invul without the drawbacks of taking 8 years igt

[latent moon]

oh yeah worse hermes odds for good stuff

[stone rune]

what

arty call is not invuln

she shoots 10 arrows

[rustic vale]

Artemis iframes

[stone rune]

oh

[rustic vale]

just call iframes in general

[stone rune]

well yeah

[rustic vale]

Ares removes your ability to act forever

[calm zenith]

No. You have your casts up

Do you know how CoD works

[latent moon]

it works through the call i'm assuming

[calm zenith]

the durations line up pretty nice

[rustic vale]

Yes

[calm zenith]

Yes it does

[rustic vale]

But

[latent moon]

but also like
you'd rather have some other call that doesn't lock you out of attacking, since that'll give you more dps

[rustic vale]

In general ares call bad for that reason

[calm zenith]

I agree

This is the 1 exception

[stone rune]

fun fact though

achilles also has: an attack

[latent moon]

1 exception where ares call is good?

[calm zenith]

Passable

It does something you might use

[latent moon]

so lose dps and dad call possibility so you can be invulnerable and slight movement?

[calm zenith]

You can attack sure. I'm not saying you focus on getting ares call

Where did I say that.

[latent moon]

i think we're saying that just dont take ares call ever lol

[latent moon]

well what else is ares call used for

you mentioned invulnerability and movement

[calm zenith]

What if you want Acorn or Purse or Hourglass for Styx

[latent moon]

i mean that's fine, ares call is still a loss in dps tho

[limber ether]

Ares call has a very important use

[calm zenith]

Selling

[stone rune]

Sell well

[limber ether]

Boonless runs too

[stone rune]

i just reset on ares

[latent moon]

lmao

[limber ether]

Fair

[stone rune]

not worth getting a run far for an atk urge to kill blood frenzy screen

[calm zenith]

Yeah Ares boons make this build troublesome

[limber ether]

What are the best gods for boonless? Dem and arty?

[stone rune]

demeter is lovely to have

arty is lovely to have early in a biome if you get like true shot

[calm zenith]

Taking either prereqs for CoD opens up 2 other boons

[stone rune]

because so many useless t2s

[latent moon]

take PP and just never crit

[calm zenith]

Beo's the best for boonless right?

[latent moon]

i mean it can work lol

[stone rune]

what

no

it's like garbage

[calm zenith]

I just dont remember

[latent moon]

hestia is generally the best

[stone rune]

shackle beo isn't fun and 1 cast makes it utterly useless

[latent moon]

they said boonless not mirrorless

[stone rune]

oh

idk why you would do that

[latent moon]

i did beo shackle at 40

had mirage

was funny

[stone rune]

boonless you're sorta like

[latent moon]

but yeah other stuff can work for boonless

[stone rune]

stuck with the 50 base damage and whatever braids you find

and the shackle

[latent moon]

rama, arthur, nem

[stone rune]

cause it's not like you can do hourglass

[latent moon]

100 base damage per cast because of shackle is kinda hot

also cshot lmao

240 per cshot or something

[stone rune]

not base

[latent moon]

okay well

[stone rune]

it's additive

[latent moon]

100 damage cast

close enough

[stone rune]

braids are only 25 each

[latent moon]

not like youre getting any other additives

[frank cliff]

how good is dad call?

[latent moon]

100% damage boost is neat

[radiant vale]

hey

can you use a sea storm splitting bolt build on rail

and if you can is it any viable

[latent moon]

i mean yeah

[radiant vale]

or would it be too hard to get

[stone rune]

you can

[latent moon]

hard to get

but if you do get it it's gonna be good

[stone rune]

if you get it running with second wave it can be big

[radiant vale]

like you'd definitely need legaci

[stone rune]

but it’s 3 duo legos

[radiant vale]

can you upgrade Double Strike from zeus all the way to 100%

[latent moon]

well second wave isn't that big of a deal tbh, sea storm + splitting is plenty lol

[radiant vale]

ah yess

[latent moon]

but like with good rng it is feasible

[radiant vale]

100 damage every single shot

hilarious

[calm zenith]

Pretty doable with Eurydice or well placed Yarns

Not guaranteed though

Hades runs for me are like that triangle where you can only have 2 things, not 3

Olympians/Hermes/Hammers

Usually bad Hermes

[latent moon]

not surprising considering hermes has like 3 good boons and one of them is a prereq for another good boon lol

[calm zenith]

And that doesnt mean you wont only get 1 or less

Yeah

[latent moon]

i guess bad news is fine, but stygian isn't commonly used

flurry cast is a decent cope pick if you're playing achilles

or pos

[calm zenith]

Getting literally everything good in a run is so unlikely

If you have specific hammer needs, want hyperrush, and a duo or legendary

Hammers at least are independent

No rarity or prereqs

[latent moon]

can't reroll hammers tho, so that's unfortunate

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[latent moon]

can reroll boons

[calm zenith]

I love a run where I get a few keys early

Feel much better about targeting boons

[frank cliff]

when you get everything right in a build it feels sooo good

[rustic vale]

Presumably yes https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/1090978786025164880/output.png

Looks like it’s get there by pom#17 on heroic

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1091010712089919528/output.png

Something like that yeah

[balmy ginkgo]

is 1 ambrosia for 500 darkness a worthwhile trade?

i give 1 amb, get 500

[brisk trail]

no

[balmy ginkgo]

i assumed so

darkness is easy to farm

but wanted to make sure

[brisk trail]

yeah

[royal widget]

i realized you're much better off never trading

[brisk trail]

Sometimes you are sometimes the trades are good

[stone rune]

you literally need to trade or fish to max out all aspects

[royal widget]

bruh

fated list

[stone rune]

yeah

still not enough

you get 252 from bounties

43 from prophecies

so 295

you need 306 for all aspects

[upper thorn]

Hello im running hera

Should I pick +1 cast or cast deal + 34%

Chaos boon

[stone rune]

first chaos?

[upper thorn]

Yes

[stone rune]

i feel like it should be the stone

but i know hera does fine with both and sometimes will take the shot

[upper thorn]

So +1 cast

[stone rune]

i'd take the stone there

[upper thorn]

Ok gotcha

[stone rune]

but i'm not hera player

[royal widget]

take stone because hera

trust

[stone rune]

both are probably fine

[upper thorn]

Okok

[stone rune]

hera needs stone less than beo

[upper thorn]

Thanks

[bright warren]

How much blood does it cost to unlock and max every aspect?

[stone rune]

306

[bright warren]

Oh damn

[upper thorn]

Lmao hera bow with athena cast is awesome

[stone rune]

fun fact

if you have shadow presence on and you get parting shot, phalanx shot will always backstab

if you hit your target with the arrow

if you undershoot it may not

[royal widget]

gotta try that

[upper thorn]

Lmaoooooo

This is the luckiest run I've hard in a while

Hera, with epic athena cast, chaos +1 cast, lightning phalanx, smoldering air (zeuss aid), parting shot,binding flash, unhealthy fixation

I deal like 3000 per shot

Easiest theseus in a while

I want to get mirage shot or legendary +2 cast artemis thingy

Lol

One tunnel

Yay got mirage shot

I'm unbearable

I GOT MY FIRST NO HIT HADES

[worldly harness]

i just came

here

to say that

varatha sucks

every single aspect

[stone rune]

lol

[royal widget]

the legendary chinese warrior would disagree

[grave chasm]

you guys said that aphrodite attack is good with aspect of arthur, but demeter attack has a higher damage bonus, so is it better?

[royal widget]

no, because aphrodite has the highest attack damage bonus

[latent moon]

demeter is tied with athena iirc lol

[royal widget]

epic demeter might be higher than common aphro

[latent moon]

yeah

rare dem is better than common until you get to lvl 4 or something lol

[grave chasm]

I had heroic aphro on a diff run and now i have heroic demeter

[royal widget]

hmmm

gimem a sec

[grave chasm]

and I'm pretty sure that Aphrodite attack was not giving me 113% extra damage at level 2

(at heroic rarity, of course)

[stone rune]

it's a spread

heroic aph gives up to 125

[latent moon]

Heroic aph starts at like 115 lmao

At lvl 1

[stone rune]

yep

115

[grave chasm]

really?

huh

[latent moon]

Yeah

[stone rune]

Frost Strike.png
Frost Strike Your Attack is stronger and inflicts Chill.
Common:

Attack damage: +40%

Rare:

Multiplier: 1.3-1.5

Epic:

Multiplier: 1.8-2.0

Heroic:

Multiplier: 2.3-2.5

Heartbreak Strike Your Attack deals more damage and inflicts Weak.
Common:

Attack Damage: +50%

Rare:

Multiplier: 1.3–1.5

Epic:

Multiplier: 1.8–2.0

Heroic:

Multiplier: 2.3–2.5

[grave chasm]

well I had poseidon attack before so the damage boost is still an upgrade

[latent moon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1091101755955236915/output.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1091101786674303097/output.png

Highest possible for heroic Dem is lower than lowest possible for heroic aph lol

Heroic Dem is basically epic aph

Except dem has worse pom scaling

[grave chasm]

does rupture stack?

[stone rune]

no

[grave chasm]

rip

[stone rune]

i mean

it's still between 50 and 100 dps

[grave chasm]

has anyone killed hades with only damage from dashes before?

had an interesting challenge run idea

[stone rune]

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jrMoETFGw

[grave chasm]

yo

JUST UNDER 8 MINUTES WITH DASH ONLY

[latent moon]

tidal dash is pretty good

[grave chasm]

I have level 2 epic tidal and epic razor shoals rn

[sleek robin]

What is the strongest build ?

[grave chasm]

not this, but the build I'm using is still pretty decent https://prnt.sc/SQEb69vMcdOA

[sleek robin]

Excalibur ?

[grave chasm]

yeah

[sleek robin]

Heard it was bad

[grave chasm]

its good

just like all other hidden aspects, its only bad if you dont know how to use it

[royal widget]

gilgamesh

[grave chasm]

Is bad?

[royal widget]

yea

[sleek robin]

MR

E*

Gilgamesh is good

[royal widget]

ME makes anything good

[sleek robin]

Indeed

The best fist aspect is demeter right

[royal widget]

yea

[grave chasm]

for ME is it better to have athena attack and ares special or vice versa?

[sleek robin]

For ?

[royal widget]

ares attack athena special athena dash

[grave chasm]

ok\

[sleek robin]

For what

[royal widget]

every merciful end build

[sleek robin]

No

Zeus shield

Special ares

Attena attack

H*

[royal widget]

hmm

[sleek robin]

And dash

[royal widget]

zeus shield is just zeus special

[sleek robin]

And when u got the hammer that hits attack twice but no knocks away anymore it’s 2 times per hit

[sleek robin]

Or ME

[sleek robin]

Plus the dash

It’s very strong try it

[stone rune]

zeus can do either

for ME

and zeus does do ME for speedruns

[calm zenith]

@latent moon I'm polishing up the CoD guide since there may as well be one. Bad News is just 50% global dmg vs no cast in enemy right?

Infernal vs Stygian and Pride vs Legacy section.

[latent moon]

Uh

Ik it is global at least

[royal widget]

i think bad news is bugged for 50% global
innit

[latent moon]

With or without cast because bug

[calm zenith]

Yeah I just forget the exacts but want correct info in the guide

[latent moon]

It's like a harder Rd to get lmao

[calm zenith]

Okay

Luckily it doesnt matter for cod

[stone rune]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CDUZVhVIqKtDbQYPS1-4nZEm4pVQm4QG8BxHkquWDQ/edit

[calm zenith]

Yeah I'm just mentioning it as a last resort

[stone rune]

it applies so long as no cast lodged it seems

[stone rune]

plume is real

[latent moon]

I mean it's still harder to get is it not

Like a 1% chance or something?

[royal widget]

no it's not

[stone rune]

if you plume it's not but without yeah

[stone rune]

no legacy?

if no legacy then plume for lego fake

[latent moon]

Oh I guess legacy

[stone rune]

greater recall

[latent moon]

Legacy kinda cringe ngl

[stone rune]

just get cod, second wave, sea storm, and splitting bolt

then legacy is huge

[royal widget]

second wave 💀

[stone rune]

doesnt the second one also proc sea storm

[calm zenith]

Yeah I dont use Legacy

[stone rune]

both prob fine though

[royal widget]

if only it didnt take ages to knock a second time

[stone rune]

since this is worse beo

and both fine on beo

granted everything is worse hestia so you should only use pride

[calm zenith]

I've had this. It's great.

[royal widget]

you're worse hestia

[calm zenith]

Such a dumb build. I love it.

[stone rune]

does the pos zeus stuff do 160 per kb

[calm zenith]

Turns Achilles into a wrecking ball

[stone rune]

actually if you get double strike it'd be like 240

[calm zenith]

Idk exactly. It's been a while

[stone rune]

just get a quadrillion boons

[calm zenith]

I know everything does synergize as you would expect

[royal widget]

ill try an achilles run later

[calm zenith]

Achilles is really fun

I find attacks and especially flurry jab a little fast for it but casts are perfect

[stone rune]

achilles is really fun in tart and aspho

[calm zenith]

Not that flurry jab is bad. I'm just bad with attack builds.

[royal widget]

flurry jab hurts just a bit on achilles but it must be perfect on zagspear

[stone rune]

perfect on both

[calm zenith]

You need a rotation for it

Yeah

[stone rune]

achilles in early tart has a simple rotation

[calm zenith]

Flurry is good on both aspects that can get it

[stone rune]

not easy in any way really

but simple

achilles hard

[calm zenith]

Hades cant right?

[stone rune]

yeah hades cant

ergo it is bad

[royal widget]

well yeah i always use flurry
just a bit annoying to refresh raging rush even more often

[calm zenith]

Just practice short throws

[royal widget]

i will

[calm zenith]

Very quick throw and recall combos

[stone rune]

the refresh doesn't apply if you do it without flurry

[calm zenith]

Mix those up with long ones for actual movement

[stone rune]

if you dash strike twice without flurry

using two of your charges so you're at 2

then if you rush again you still only have 2

you have to use them all up before you can recharge them

[calm zenith]

Use those as your building blocks for Achilles, using whichever when you need it.

Like you use a short one when you're surrounded by enemies often, got them grouped up for dash strikes.

Long ones for getting to an enemy quick

Short ones also for like enemy spawns

Just getting the buff asap

Getting comfortable with that will help a lot

[stone rune]

watch 185

[calm zenith]

Sometimes you will get some array movement from failing to recall. Usually not a big deal unless you throw into magma.

Also troublesome with auto aim on dad

You can go right into the pots

Lost a like 130 streak crush shot run that way

Em4

[grave chasm]

If I were to use gilga fists, what gods attack is best?

[calm zenith]

Athena is convenient and useful.

[grave chasm]

ok

[calm zenith]

Gilga is in an odd place

Sort of too slow for some flat dmg boons but not amazing dmg itself

[dire tendon]

do you want % atk on gilga?

[calm zenith]

You could also go Zeus

[dire tendon]

i thought just go ME

with doom on atk to proc off dashstrike

[calm zenith]

Oh and yeah, ME

Doom will just be slow starting off

You could do % but it wont do that well

[stone rune]

ares

[calm zenith]

Its dmg is sort of in an awkward spot

ME is probably the easiest strong build to get going

Getting ddash too might take a second though

I'm sure the guides explain how to get it

Usually I focus more on the dash boon for Gilga

Tdash sea storm builds for example

[royal widget]

sea storm doesn't work on bosses right?

and does it do anything relevant on beo?

[calm zenith]

It does? I think just the knockback does it

Like how there is a boon for Knockback dmg vs bosses

[royal widget]

mmm

[calm zenith]

It's still a knockback effect so it has the sea storm effect

Just no knockback

Apparently sea storm does proc off of beo I think?

[royal widget]

ofc

[calm zenith]

It's been a while

[royal widget]

i just meant is it useful

[calm zenith]

It's probably not worth targeting

Unless you are doing flood shot already and zeus appears and it just shows up from zeus

[royal widget]

yeah i didn't think so
breaking wave better

[calm zenith]

Not Poseidon, as that would potentially block mirage shot or breaking wave

[latent moon]

It does

Bosses do get knocked back, just very small amount

[calm zenith]

Ah

[royal widget]

wow

[latent moon]

Sea storm doesn't proc off flood flare tho lol

[calm zenith]

Really? Lmao

[royal widget]

i think i noticed it on a dash only run

[latent moon]

Procs off normal shield attack tho

As long as no pulv blow

[royal widget]

i remember attempting 32 heat splash dash

[calm zenith]

I should do a build around that.

Zeus?

[royal widget]

gilg obv

[calm zenith]

Yeah I used to do those

[latent moon]

Around sea storm?

[calm zenith]

On shield attack

[latent moon]

Zag shield lol

[calm zenith]

True

[latent moon]

Aphro atk Zeus call tdash

[calm zenith]

If you get the right t2s gilga Tempest Strike runs can work

You do chase enemies though

Speed runners HATE this

It's more funny than anything. Another funny interaction is on Lucifer attack with Eternal Chamber and auto-aim

[latent moon]

Tempest strike doesn't have good % tho

[calm zenith]

The knockback causes your attack to rapidly swap between targets

You scale off of t2s and wall slams

Like Jolted scaling

Zeus attack doesnt do much dmg alone either

[latent moon]

Well the problem is getting wall slams consistently lol

[calm zenith]

It's worse since it isnt aoe

[latent moon]

Jolted is consistent

[calm zenith]

But its there

For sure

It's just a scaling option

If you want a run where you chase enemies into walls

And obviously it makes Styx a joke

And just hope you also get the Knockback dmg vs bosses boon for dad lol

Not saying its efficient. I dont do them anymore.

I might try to get the stuff though. I've been really unlucky with Poseidon recently.

[worldly harness]

I was thinking that the bow was like the worst weapon in the game

I just broke my time record with it

[latent moon]

Bow is top 3 lol

[worldly harness]

Flurry shot + twin shot + artemis' aid

Shotgun mode on thw bow

[calm zenith]

Yup. That on zag with deadly strike wrecks

Bow isnt bad. It's more about learning the timing of power shots and doing dash strikes.

I took a break from the game and I still can do power shots reliably

Just a learning curve. Chiron and Hera lean less into power shots at least baseline.

In that they function without them, allowing new players to use bow without the necessary skills.

A skill you need to learn anyway, twice if you use Rama.

Though Rama can also use less power shots tbf

Just generally you are wasting time if you dont do as much dmg as possible.

You would have to reapply Shared Suffering and such potentially

Flurry on Zag is definitely a good way to go if you just want an easy build.

[livid swift]

Top 3 being? Bow shield and?

Tri shot hidden bow very funny

Hera also hahahahahahahajah

[latent moon]

rail

[livid swift]

I haven’t really played zag bow or Chiron bc I hated them at first

I figured rail

Wasn’t sure tho

Fists I hate

Except when using merciful end

Wait is #1 shield, #2 bow and #3 rail? Then #4 sword #5 spear #6 fists or are spear and sword swapped

[stone rune]

no real ranking other than top and bottom 3

and fists bottom

[calm zenith]

You could try a drunken fist/low tolerance or splitting headache demeter build

[stone rune]

splitting headache build?

[calm zenith]

I do it all the time

[stone rune]

splitting headache is pretty inconsequential esp compared to low tolerance or curse of nausea

which are flat 60% and 50% hangover damage bonuses

instead of a 15% average damage bonus with crit supporting boons sprinkled in

[calm zenith]

Splitting headache also boosts your special and attack crit rate, dash boon crit rate, etc

[stone rune]

yeah it’s a global 15% damage buff on enemies you’ve hit 5 times

it’s not bad but it’s not like worth forcing arty for

[calm zenith]

I like artemis

Works fine. Get Mark and target mark with deadly flourish which is better than deadly strike anyway

[stone rune]

but also za fists imo are more fun than drunk fists just bc they can wreck

[calm zenith]

Fair

[stone rune]

with a few boons rather than a few poms which is just sorta more fun

[stone rune]

i mean sure it’ll work fine but it’s just like a lower benefit to hangover builds than 60% extra free damage

multiplicative

but fists also stinky so imo fists and fun are mutually exclusive

unless funny talos builds or kinetic launcher

[latent moon]

splitting headache kinda mid because the extra crit chance doesn't really matter 98% of the time

like on fists, buffing the special rate can be nice

but hangover on the atk is like not great when other stuff exists, esp other duos

[warped fern]

man i bought orpheous lament bc i love the dint look back song and like im playing it back and it sjust instrumental maybe im impatient but he wont sing

he played through the whole thing instrumentally

is it just instrumentals i can buy with the diamons at the contractor?

[calm zenith]

There are other things too iirc

[radiant vale]

why is bow so bad

[solar vault]

it's not lol

[calm zenith]

Just get better at dash strike power shots

[solar vault]

though I cannot imagine how you play bow with kbm

[calm zenith]

That's really it, and timing with dashes

And keeping distance

Also take the right hammers

Twin perfect and flurry

Perfect and flurry are mutually exclusive.

Just do that and zag bow and deadly strike and you'll have a great run

Do people run Aphro? Could just do that too.

[latent moon]

Just aim lol

[latent moon]

Either or

[calm zenith]

Yeah usually I just think mark is worth it

[stone rune]

so essentially

[calm zenith]

Suffer for a bit dmg wise but mark pulls it together

[stone rune]

you put the cursor on the enemy

although trying to hit fast enemies at the very edge of the range is kind of miserable

[calm zenith]

If you really dislike bow try chiron or hera then

Twin helps

Bigger hitbox no? Should.

Seems like it

[solar vault]

seems like a very small increase in hitbox though

[stone rune]

the hitbox size is negligible

[calm zenith]

Yeah fair

[latent moon]

For twin?

[stone rune]

it’s more that twin restricts you to shooting enemies where they can’t dodge your arrows

nothing is that fast

[calm zenith]

I run rama more

[muted glen]

Hate rama

[granite ether]

just the instrumentals, yeah (this includes stuff like In the Blood, Good Riddence etc.)

[warped fern]

augh ok, ty for telling me before i pump all my diamonds into it haha

[limber ether]

I just play with aim assist like a noob because isometric aiming is a bit trippy

I don't get how controller players use rail special

[royal widget]

rebind

[wintry moat]

You just run aphro cast and you win, rama is great

[mint coral]

Wrong bow

Thats hera

But still, rama is great lol

[wintry moat]

Oh rama is the shared damage bow?

[royal widget]

aphro attack and Poseidon cast

[wintry moat]

That bow feels super op

[mint coral]

Ye

[royal widget]

hits like a truck

[grave chasm]

ME build in the making? https://prnt.sc/HxocLCmRrQAk

[royal widget]

splendid

[grave chasm]

I got ME and epic impending doom on it...

but i only had 130 hp and did not live to regret it

[calm zenith]

It really isnt that hard though it's a bit slow

Just makes rocket bomb more essential

Or hazard ig

Anything to make aiming ez

[latent moon]

i heard it's pretty wack until you get one of those yeah

heard triple bomb luci is a little rough

on steam deck you can touch the screen to launch the bombs tho so that's neat

[calm zenith]

Triple bomb is a bit chaotic yeah

Works if you get the stuff

[raw herald]

Just takes a bit of time to get used to imo

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[raw herald]

I dont like triple lol

[calm zenith]

Still works out fine

[raw herald]

Too many buttons

[grave chasm]

what do you guys think of my sea storm rail build?

https://prnt.sc/3sLM4diK0GS1

[calm zenith]

Dash strikes can also be annoying on controller. Did a pretty lucky nemesis double edge start run last

Nice

Spear dash strikes are easier but sword ones can be a little awkward

Had an epic hypersprint, +3 dashes

Almost got rd

[raw herald]

Looks good so far, look for jolted + double strike + tidal dash for epic dps

[calm zenith]

Heroic hunter dash though no chaos sadge

I never get good dash strike dmg boons on dash strike builds.

[raw herald]

Mood

[calm zenith]

Heroic hd is pretty good especially as my first boon, but still could have used more with deadly strike

Did have heart rend going

Natural aphro